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Penelope Robin: Goddess Of A Hundred Colours · TRi THIS Music: The Podcast

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  Speaker 2: And I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't realize you were performing as well, Penelope. Like,
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  Speaker 3: was it like last night or something?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how it would be in your time.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, I will be super transparent. I am literally in
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  Speaker 4: my pajamas because I performed last night and it was
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  Speaker 4: so amazing. But it was a little late. And then,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I did a little bit of touring after.
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  Speaker 4: I feel very bad about that. but no the show
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  Speaker 4: was so amazing I think also I'm kind of like
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  Speaker 4: dead because I woke up yesterday at five in the
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  Speaker 4: morning because I had a show at seven and then
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  Speaker 4: I had a show at night so it was really
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  Speaker 4: funny because when I was like on my way to
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  Speaker 4: the show at night I was like falling asleep and
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  Speaker 4: I was like I'm gonna need seven Red Bulls with
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  Speaker 4: sugar like but um no the show was amazing and
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  Speaker 4: I also was I feel very um my gosh it's
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  Speaker 4: so funny because now I always speak Spanish so now
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  Speaker 4: when I do interviews in English I'm like how do
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  Speaker 4: I say that word I feel very honored. I feel
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  Speaker 4: very honored. I'm very happy that I'm able to be
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  Speaker 4: a part of all of these events and shows. You know,
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  Speaker 4: right now I'm going to go to Mexico and I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to be singing in Pride. And that is.
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  Speaker 4: Insane achievement for me because a lot of my fan base,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I have a lot of LGBTQ community and
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  Speaker 4: it's just so amazing that I can express myself and
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  Speaker 4: express my music and express my new song, Diosa de
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  Speaker 4: Cien Colores. And that song talks about don't be shy,
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  Speaker 4: show all your colors. That song talks about those people
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  Speaker 4: that aren't shy to show their colors and shine. And
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  Speaker 4: it's just, I'm so excited. I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 3: In our first interview, we focused on the idea of, like,
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  Speaker 3: reinvention and what, like, the future might be like for you.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like you've, like, fulfilled it. Like, your
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  Speaker 3: energy's still there. And it's crazy, like, how you said
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  Speaker 3: that all your songs used to be in English and
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  Speaker 3: now we've, like, fully moved over to Spanish. And it's,
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  Speaker 3: like you said, like, it's hard to, like, formulate, like,
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  Speaker 3: the interviews in English because, like, It just goes to
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  Speaker 3: show how much you dedicated yourself to the community and
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  Speaker 3: to the area. You fully threw yourself into it. And
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  Speaker 3: it's like a respect thing. It's like a talent thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy how much you dedicated yourself to it. And
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  Speaker 3: now you're kind of living... another life like through the
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  Speaker 3: music and through like the community and that's what you
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  Speaker 3: said in your first interview that's what you said you
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  Speaker 3: wanted to do at the start you were literally just
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  Speaker 3: starting out um kind of getting in the groove and
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  Speaker 3: figuring things out um and it's like now it's weird
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  Speaker 3: like these years later that you've achieved it and you're there.
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  Speaker 4: The biggest I feel like the biggest thing has been
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  Speaker 4: just like really like working hard and also like I
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  Speaker 4: think like one thing I always say is it At
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  Speaker 4: the end of the day, I'm very transparent about this
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  Speaker 4: because I feel like nowadays a lot of artists are like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: everything's great. No, the industry is super hard. People are rude.
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  Speaker 4: It is very frustrating. There's a lot of moments where
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  Speaker 4: you're like, oh my gosh, this is horrible.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 4: But I think like the most important thing is the passion,
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  Speaker 4: you know? And I think you see that a lot
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  Speaker 4: in a bunch of artists. For instance, Taylor Swift. I
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  Speaker 4: look up to her and I will be super transparent.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really listen to much of her music. I
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  Speaker 4: used to. Now I don't that much just because I
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  Speaker 4: think I have so many influences. But she is the
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  Speaker 4: perfect woman. She's the perfect woman. But I look up
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  Speaker 4: to her so much because I think she's one of
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  Speaker 4: those people that you really just see. She's worked so
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  Speaker 4: hard because of how much she loves it. The passion.
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  Speaker 4: And that girl has been through so many things, but
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  Speaker 4: she is still there writing music, making albums, going on
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  Speaker 4: tours because that's her passion. And her passion is to
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  Speaker 4: let people have fun and listen to her music. So
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the most important thing. And I think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, right now I'm in this place because I've
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  Speaker 4: worked so hard and I have Used all my passion,
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  Speaker 4: you know, because that's the most important thing in this industry.
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  Speaker 4: You have to really love it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what you said the first time around. You
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  Speaker 3: still had that work ethic back then. And for like
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  Speaker 3: a 15 year old, like having that work ethic, I
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  Speaker 3: think it's really like paying off for you now because
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  Speaker 3: I think it's taught you that dedication to your craft.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it fully allows you to be yourself
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  Speaker 3: as well. Like I feel like we're there now. I
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  Speaker 3: feel like not just as a person, but as an artist,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like you fully like. spread your wings and
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  Speaker 3: like you're like there now I feel like we're there
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  Speaker 3: the first interview the single was like the focus was
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  Speaker 3: Taking Back Sunday Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, wow. It's so crazy. Like, I don't
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  Speaker 4: even remember, like, my rock. Obviously, I do. But, like,
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  Speaker 4: my rock era, kind of. It's, like, so weird to me.
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  Speaker 4: Because now, and I'm so excited for you to listen
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  Speaker 4: to the new music that's coming out. Because it is
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  Speaker 4: so cool. Also, because I'm producing all my own stuff now.
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  Speaker 4: So that's very, very cool. But I don't know, just
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  Speaker 4: remembering Taking Back Sunday, sometimes I listen to it. It's
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  Speaker 4: actually really funny. I'll tell you something. The other day,
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  Speaker 4: I was on a date, and this guy was like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my God, I found all these old songs. And
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  Speaker 4: I was like, turn off your phone. I was like, no.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, anyway, I'm leaving. I got to go.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. And it's so funny because I'm not embarrassed
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  Speaker 4: by it, but it's just weird. I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: listen to it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's that growth. that growth element.
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  Speaker 3: I think because your style has changed so much, I
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  Speaker 3: think you've been influenced more by where you are. And
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  Speaker 3: I think you've probably learned like what it's about and
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  Speaker 3: how to kind of create music in that style.
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  Speaker 2: And I think you've lost that like rock edge, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's what you were aiming for. That's what
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  Speaker 2: we spoke about. That's what we were aiming for.
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  Speaker 4: I was trying to, I was trying to be the moon,
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  Speaker 4: but baby, I'm the sun. I love it. I think
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  Speaker 4: that was, like, a really big thing, too. I think, like,
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  Speaker 4: I was in that age where I was, like, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to be cool and, like, everything is, like, dark. And, like, now...
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  Speaker 4: And I'm really, like, proud of myself because now I
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  Speaker 4: feel like I've really, like, found Penelope personality-wise. Like, this
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  Speaker 4: is me. And I am just a ray of sunshine, darling. No.
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  Speaker 1: No, seriously.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I am just so myself, you know? Like, now...
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  Speaker 4: If I want to wear hot pink and glitter, I will.
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  Speaker 4: You know, if I want to be a rocker one day,
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  Speaker 4: I will. Like, I'm just, like, very me. And I
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  Speaker 4: think that's, like, the hardest thing about, like, this, you know,
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  Speaker 4: kind of, like, artist stuff is that when you're growing,
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  Speaker 4: when you're younger, you really try hard to be a
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  Speaker 4: little bit, like, cool and edgy. and I think at
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  Speaker 4: the end of the day and didn't work like for me,
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  Speaker 4: for Penelope, because that wasn't me, you know? And I
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  Speaker 4: think right now, the reason why I'm so happy with
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  Speaker 4: my music and with myself and with everything is because
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  Speaker 4: I am doing what I love and I'm doing the
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  Speaker 4: music that I love. And that I really feel like
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  Speaker 4: is getting me places. Cause when you have like passion
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  Speaker 4: for those types of things and you really love it
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  Speaker 4: and you really believe in the song and you believe
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  Speaker 4: in the lyrics, that'll get you way farther. So I'm, I'm, I'm,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. It's just so, I love it. I
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  Speaker 4: love it. I love the fact that we talked like
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  Speaker 4: so long ago and now we're talking again and it's like,
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  Speaker 4: we're going through like. the past and now we're we're here.
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  Speaker 3: It's very scary I feel like I'm not a grim
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  Speaker 3: reaper but I feel like.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes I feel like whenever like when we do like
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  Speaker 5: a redo it feels like I don't know how you
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  Speaker 5: describe it like a like a not a time traveler
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  Speaker 5: but like I feel like I.
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  Speaker 4: Bring yeah I mean you are a time.
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  Speaker 3: Traveler I feel like lately I froze I throw like
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  Speaker 3: the time back at people and I show them like
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  Speaker 3: all this stuff and I'm like what do.
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  Speaker 4: You think that is so slay yeah you are you are.
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  Speaker 5: Scary not a grim reaper but like yeah no definitely
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  Speaker 5: not a grim reaper I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: Signaling you know I'm not signaling downfall but like it's
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  Speaker 3: like um I don't I don't even know what the
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  Speaker 3: word is I don't know what the word is but
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  Speaker 3: it's really weird looking back wait no but it's.
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  Speaker 4: It's so it's so beautiful though because I also love
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  Speaker 4: this because we're also talking about like you know the
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  Speaker 4: past and how like yeah no so actually you're you're
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  Speaker 4: you're like not only a time traveler you're like the
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  Speaker 4: best because you're like talking about how we got here
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  Speaker 4: you know like it's great i love it i love it.
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  Speaker 3: This is why i'm so glad that we've done this
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  Speaker 3: um because it's so it's really interesting to kind of
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  Speaker 3: look at how um the industry kind of operates and
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  Speaker 3: how an artist operates um and One of the things
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you was, have you, like, because
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  Speaker 3: you were so young when you started, and you're still
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  Speaker 3: so young, but, like, have your ambitions, like, changed? Like,
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  Speaker 3: have your goals, like, shifted? Is this stuff that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of settled with you? Because I feel like that. Like,
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  Speaker 3: for me, when I started, I was like, oh, the
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  Speaker 3: world's the oyster in it, and I threw myself at everything,
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  Speaker 3: and this, that, and the other. And then these days, now,
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  Speaker 3: I tend to be a bit more careful and a
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  Speaker 3: bit more, like.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how to describe it you kind of
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  Speaker 3: become more grounded and more like aware realistic kind of
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  Speaker 3: more realistic yeah that's it like more realistic um and
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  Speaker 3: you've kind of just like excelled and you've done so
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  Speaker 3: much um how do you kind of gauge the success
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  Speaker 3: and and yeah what what is that kind of like
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  Speaker 3: well yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Like well I mean I think like definitely I have
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  Speaker 4: changed my my goals a little bit but like they're
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  Speaker 4: still there but I think maybe they're more I've looked
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  Speaker 4: more into like myself I think like you know when
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  Speaker 4: we talked I think like one of the big things
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  Speaker 4: is like I would love to like sing in a
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  Speaker 4: stadium you know like I would love to sing in
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  Speaker 4: a And I still would love to do that. And
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  Speaker 4: I know I will be doing that very soon. But
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  Speaker 4: I think one ambition that it's crazy. It's so crazy
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  Speaker 4: to me because I never even like really thought about
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  Speaker 4: it that much. But now since I'm really like producing
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  Speaker 4: my own music and stuff, like the most important thing
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  Speaker 4: to me is doing the music that I love, you know?
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  Speaker 4: And like, that's, that's my goal. I think like when
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  Speaker 4: I was starting, I was doing a lot of music,
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  Speaker 4: but that's the hard part. You know, it's not that
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  Speaker 4: I didn't like the songs. I think it's just, I
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  Speaker 4: was finding myself finding my sound. So the song would
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  Speaker 4: come out and then like later I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like it was never like really like hitting the vibe. Um,
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  Speaker 4: so I think like one of a really, really big
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  Speaker 4: goal is definitely that to, keep doing what I'm doing
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  Speaker 4: and like do the music that I love because right
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  Speaker 4: now I'm doing that and I have never felt more
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  Speaker 4: connected you know like with myself with music and and
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  Speaker 4: it's so it's so beautiful because at the end of
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  Speaker 4: the day I think it was also one of those
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  Speaker 4: things like I'm a musician and I was asking myself
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  Speaker 4: and I was like why not a bad thing but
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  Speaker 4: I was like Why am I doing like all these
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  Speaker 4: pop songs when I'm a musician, when I listen to
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  Speaker 4: so much music? I'm so excited for you to listen
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  Speaker 4: to the new stuff that's coming out because it's very cool.
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  Speaker 4: But I listen to so much music. I listen to
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  Speaker 4: Mexican music. I listen to English music. I listen to
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  Speaker 4: Colombian music. I listen to Haitian music. So it's like
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  Speaker 4: I listen to so much music. Why am I doing this?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I kind of went in this other route
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  Speaker 4: and I'm so happy. So that's one goal. And I
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  Speaker 4: think another goal is. And I think like this is,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that's why I said a lot of
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  Speaker 4: my goals have changed in the perspective of like myself.
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  Speaker 4: I think a really big goal will be to never
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  Speaker 4: lose myself ever because I think that, again, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: talking good about myself, but I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: recently I have really been working really hard and I
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  Speaker 4: have this positive energy that I love about myself and
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  Speaker 4: I hope, and I hope, and it's going to happen
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  Speaker 4: because that's my mantra, never lose yourself. I hope that
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  Speaker 4: people don't get to me in the future. I hope
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  Speaker 4: that I don't, I don't become an angry person. I
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  Speaker 4: hope that, you know, and it's crazy because like, you
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  Speaker 4: really never know, you know? And I feel like I
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  Speaker 4: always tell my friends and they're always like, Oh, but like,
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  Speaker 4: you'll never lose yourself. And at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look at half of the biggest artists in
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  Speaker 4: the world, you know, they, they get a little bit
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  Speaker 4: crazy and everybody's like, Oh my gosh, they're crazy. What's
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  Speaker 4: wrong with them? But I think they're not crazy. I
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  Speaker 4: think that they just lose themselves because of the hate
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  Speaker 4: because of how people treat them because of the industry.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that's like my biggest goal to never
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  Speaker 4: lose myself. And like every morning I always tell myself,
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  Speaker 4: you're beautiful. You are a diva, you know, like never
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  Speaker 4: forget who you are and never like stop being humble.
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  Speaker 4: You know, like I hope, and I know, but like, I,
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  Speaker 4: I never want to lose myself and I never want
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  Speaker 4: to be that person. That's like not grateful. You know,
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  Speaker 4: like I, I never want to take things for like
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  Speaker 4: granted and I always want to be like my humble self.
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  Speaker 4: from the girl that was singing, taking back Sunday, you know?
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  Speaker 4: So that's my biggest goal to always remember that. Cause
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  Speaker 4: I feel like that is the point in your life
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  Speaker 4: where it's going to be the hardest. Cause like, if
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  Speaker 4: you lose yourself and you start acting like you're like
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  Speaker 4: the coolest person ever. And I mean, if you're Paul McCartney,
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  Speaker 4: you're allowed to act like that, but I've heard Paul
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  Speaker 4: McCartney super nice. You know what I mean? So it's
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  Speaker 4: like those types of things that that's my biggest goal.
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  Speaker 4: I just never, never lose Penelope. I never want to
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  Speaker 4: lose who I am.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you have, like, an oomph now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have, like, this aura, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know whether that's, like, because, like,
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  Speaker 3: you're producing, like, you're fully, like, there.
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  Speaker 2: Like, it's you, right? I feel like that's maybe what
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  Speaker 2: it is because I haven't learned much Spanish since we
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  Speaker 2: last spoke. I haven't learned much.
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  Speaker 3: And so, but for me, I can really tap into
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  Speaker 3: like the instrumental side and the production side and I
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  Speaker 3: can hear it and enjoy it from that.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And the music that you make today, it's like the
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  Speaker 3: instrumentals and like the backing and like everything that goes
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  Speaker 3: behind it, like musically, like aside from like lyrics and
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that. it's so like beautiful and just so
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  Speaker 3: well put and and just all together is that that
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  Speaker 3: I mean that's you isn't it like that is literally
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  Speaker 3: you that's literally you and I think that's what the
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  Speaker 3: difference is I think that's where it is I think
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  Speaker 3: that's where it.
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  Speaker 4: Is and I think like Diosa de Cien Colores is
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  Speaker 4: like a really important song for me as well because
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  Speaker 4: I wrote that song with my ex-boyfriend let me but
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  Speaker 4: um I love him he's great but I think like
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  Speaker 4: we all it was such an amazing song as well
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  Speaker 4: because I was writing it with somebody that I trust
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  Speaker 4: so much so it was such an amazing session you
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  Speaker 4: know like it was just so great and I always
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  Speaker 4: say this I always say like again never forget to
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  Speaker 4: be grateful and I'm so grateful for my dad of
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  Speaker 4: course I think I remember telling you how he's a
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  Speaker 4: producer and you know, he has taught me so much.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Dios Es Sin Colores is the first song
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  Speaker 4: I've ever produced. And it's crazy because not to tune
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  Speaker 4: my own horn, but like, I think it came out
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  Speaker 4: really cool, the production. And it's crazy because I literally,
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  Speaker 4: I remember after we finished the song, I called my
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  Speaker 4: dad and I was like, this is all because of you. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, this is because you have shown me
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  Speaker 4: so much. And I'm just so excited. And it's so
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  Speaker 4: great too, that I have amazing family and amazing dad
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  Speaker 4: that after I am done, I can be like, Hey, like,
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  Speaker 4: what do you think? And like, it's so great. Cause like,
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  Speaker 4: since he's shown me so much, he's somebody that I trust.
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  Speaker 4: Like I trust their opinion. I want to know their opinion.
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  Speaker 4: So that song is really, really important to me. And also,
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: especially because, you know, I think like, I mean like
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: that song, we kind of wrote it about one of
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: my friends that, um, kind of always, I don't know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: I feel like he's always like hiding himself when he's
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: the most beautiful person ever. And we kind of wrote
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: that for him. And it's just so beautiful now that,
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: you know, Pride is going on and that I was
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: able to like take it out during Pride because I
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: think that it has such an impact on a lot
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: of people, you know, and I think that the lyrics
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: are so beautiful and the lyrics talk about, you know,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, like, I want you
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: to go out and feel amazing and shine because you
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: are a queen of a hundred colors. Like, I love it.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: I love it. I love it.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: I think it's especially like amazing in the world that
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: we're in now. It's a bit like, it's quite different to.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: How we started.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: It's a bit more like repressed and a bit more um,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: close minded. And like, now it's really nice for you
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: to kind of take charge of that and, and push
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: through that and get through the barrier and, and take
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: a stand.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: And I, and I, and I always say that, sorry,
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: I interrupted you.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: I talk a lot.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: You know that, you know, I talk a lot. Um, I,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: I think it's also that I think like, I love
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: this song as well, because I think that nowadays, like
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: in this world, there's so much hatred and so much cruelty. And,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: you know, I think this is a, a, we need
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: a song like this, you know, and we need a
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: song that represents who we are, you know, and that
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: we're queens. Sorry. You know, so I love it. I
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: love it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I feel like the sound, like the sound is what
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: will translate as well. I mean, even if people here,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: like at home here, they don't, you know, maybe the lyrics,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: they don't understand them, right?
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like the beat and the melody.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can feel the vibe.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Down to it you can get down to it no
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: problem whatsoever and we need more of that i think
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: the world needs to dance yeah um we really really
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: need um more of it and also there's like a
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: visual like change here as well with this single um
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: it's really like stunning stuff like the the photography and
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: like just the artwork and like the color schemes the
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: fonts uh like the calligraphy like all that kind of
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: stuff and like the social medias everything around it um
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: it feels like, this single feels like you. Like, it
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: really feels like, not just you as an artist, but
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: you as a person. Like, you can feel it. Like,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: from a listener's point of view, like what we talked
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: about earlier, like with stuff like Taking Back Sunday and
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, you can see the difference completely. Like,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: you can see a total difference and change. Not just musically,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: but stylistically, visually, everything. Because it's you. And I feel
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: like now we've reached that point, I think that's why
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I was so eager to do this because I really
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: wanted to highlight that. Like, you know, once and for
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: all that you're there and you're now like the sky's
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: the limit because I imagine you carry on creating stuff
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: like that and, you know, keep going forward.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Like the sky is literally the limit.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: That's very true.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: But do you feel like more like yourself as an
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: artist now? Do you feel like you're there? Do you
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: feel that?
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think I'm there yet because I think,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: you know, I have a long way to go. This
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: is a long ride, but I am so happy because
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: this is the first time that I do feel very myself.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: And it's one of those things too that I, other
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: artists as well, I think I got more inspired by
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: them too. You know, for instance, Somber I feel like
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: he's very himself and that's the reason why you connect
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: with him so much you know his music is so
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: him his style is so him his person and that's
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: because you know like it's I don't know he really
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: I really like his social media and all that stuff
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: he's very funny but I really like how he really
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: shows himself and it just feels so real And I
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: think that's the most important thing. And I think recently,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: you know, a lot of people have liked this new route,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: this new music, this new look, because it feels real,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: you know? And I think like, for instance, like artist wise, like,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: you know, visually, that was like another thing, you know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: as much as I love glitter and blue and like
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: all these pinks and stuff. I just think that on
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: a daily basis, that's not me. On a daily basis,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: I am a blazer girl. on a daily basis. I want,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I am, I am Tom Ford vibes, you know? So
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: it's like, I really like took it down to myself
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: and I was like, I want everything to be real.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: Like I want everything to be real. Like I want
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: to take down everything on my Instagram. I want this
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: to be real. My dad is human. I've lived my
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: entire home life with cigars. I've always smelled them and
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: I love them. So I was like, I want to
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: show everybody that I like cigars, you know, like just
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: like very real things that like, honestly is very me. And,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: it's an amazing, amazing feeling. Because I think before, I
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: had this very pop music. I was very pop. I
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: was very happy all the time. And I am always happy.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: But I kind of had this wall, and not in
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: a bad way. Just like, this is what I'm going for.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: This is the branding that I'm going for. And now
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: it's so amazing, because now I just feel like I
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: can be who I am. I feel like When it
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: comes to the art, when it comes to music, I
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: have been so Penelope. So now it's great. If I
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: want to post a story of me being crazy, I
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: feel comfortable with that. So it's those type of things.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: And I'm just so excited also because I have a
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: song coming out in August with an amazing friend of mine.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: His name is Darman. He's so good. And it's actually
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: going to be coming out in the UK. So we're
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: so excited. And it's in English and it is like
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: a house vibe, techno vibe. And I'm so excited. There's
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: so many things coming and it's so great that I
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: can take this song out with him because he's so talented.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: And there's so many things happening, you know? And that's
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: another thing. Now, if I do a song with somebody
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: that I think is talented, let's take it out. You know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: like now I have the freedom of like, OK, this
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: is who I am. I also love this music. I
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: want to take this out. I think before I was
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: a little bit more careful because I was going through
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: this route. And I just like I said, I looked
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: at myself and I was like, girl, you're a blonde
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: who sings pop. What else is there? You know, I
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: need something else. I need something else. So, yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Your energy has not changed.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: At all and I love it I love it I
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: absolutely love it I'm living for it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Your energy hasn't changed either. But my energy feeds off
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: your energy. That's the problem. We're both like, yay.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's amazing. The energy's not shifted. It's not changed.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: And I love it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: And I really wanted to ask you, I really regretted
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: last time.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I was looking back and I was like, oh, I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: didn't ask the last question.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: And my last question is always about, it goes around
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: a proudest moment.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: And I never asked you, I was kicking myself. I
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's so annoying. Why did I not
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: do that? But there was another question that I really
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: wanted to ask you.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: And it's really basic, but it's, I think it's, it's
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: really like, I think you'd be able to answer it really,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: really well. And do you have any advice for people
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: like girls, women, like starting out in the industry and
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: going forward, because you've been at this quite a long
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: time now and it's, I'm sure you've had like ups
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: and downs and you've had many shifts and you're you're
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: so well spoken and your energy is just absolutely infectious.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: And it has been, you know, for ages, you know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: since you started. And I feel like to navigate something
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: as difficult as this and do it as well as
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: you have and come out the other end of it and.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Still be so.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Um invigorated um and busy because it can be quite
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: difficult managing all of those different aspects that go into
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: everything because people don't realize how much goes into even
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: the littlest minute detail right yeah um do you have
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: any advice um for people either just starting out or
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: maybe who are like struggling or having like a low
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: period and need to be picked back.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Up what would your advice be.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Well i think One thing I do have to say,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: and I hate being those people, you know, when you
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: ask somebody something, they're like, oh, well, it's not easy.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: I hate being those people. But I am going to say,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: I think I'm going to give this to the people,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: the advice for the people that maybe want to start.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Do it, girl. But you have to have so much
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: drive because it is not easy. And I think the
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: hardest thing that a lot like, you know, we all
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: have to realize, and it's not only as an artist,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: it's that sports, if you want to be a lawyer, anything,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: you have to work very hard. And nothing is going
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: to come. Nothing is going to come easy. You have
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: to get on it, on your social media, on everything,
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: and keep going. Because if you stop, especially if you're there, there, there,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: and then you stop... No, you know, so I think
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: like one thing is like be ready because there's also
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: a lot of sacrifices that you have to make. You know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: now you're not going to be able to hang out
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: with your friends all the time. Maybe, you know, you're
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: going to be in the studio. You should be in
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: the studio. You know, for instance, right now I'm actually
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: making my outfit for Mexico by hand and that's taking
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: a very long time, but that's the sacrifice that I'm
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: making because I have a vision and I want it
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: to be perfect. So that's me, my back hurting, like
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: doing it one by hand. So there's a lot of sacrifices,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: but I will say, and I want to say this
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: to everybody that has those moments of like, kind of like,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: you know, a little bit sad sometimes. And I just
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: want to say, please feel that. Do not feel scared
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: to feel sad. Do not feel scared to be frustrated
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: because that is going to push you more. You know
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: what I mean? Don't be scared, but don't close yourself either.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Cause I feel like a lot of people, they start,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: maybe they get sad, maybe they get frustrated and then
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: that's it. No, if you're sad and frustrated, feel that
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: if you want a whole day to cry and be sad,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: do it, please do it. Cause you need those days.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Cause not everything can be happy in sunshine. You know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: you need those days. So please feel it. But just
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: remember after you're done feeling it and I would give
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: you a day, I would give you a day. After
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: you're done feeling it, grab that, grab that anger, make
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: it into happiness or grab that anger and make it
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: into an angry song or grab that. You know what
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: I mean? Like feel, feel the feelings. That's the most important.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I think the most important as well is
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: to believe in yourself. I think it's very hard for
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: us to believe in ourselves. And please be around people
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: that help you shine because it is already hard enough
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: for all of us, not as artists, just people in general.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: It is already people in general. We're all people in general,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: but it is already very hard for anybody to shine.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: So we need people to help us shine, you know?
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: And I think that's one thing that's very hard because
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: when you start getting into this, there's going to be
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: so many people that make fun of you. There's going
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: to be so many people that maybe go to your show,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: but then they make fun of with their friends. Oh,
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: my God. Yeah, she sucks. She you know what I mean?
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: So it's like and I think like when I first
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: started this, I tried so hard and there was a
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: very big moment where I had very fake friends just
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: because I didn't want to be alone. And now, oof,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: I way rather be alone, you know? And, you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I'm grateful I have found, like, those people in my
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: life that I can trust. But just be ready because
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: this is a very big sacrifice in your life and
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: there's going to be a lot of moments. Even your family,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: even your– anybody, anybody can be jealous, you know? And
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: not even in a bad way, you know? So I
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: think that's– A big thing. Maybe I put too much
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: information out. But what I'm trying to say, I'm making
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: it sound horrible. No, it's great. I totally recommend. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: just do want to put out there, you have to
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: believe in yourself. You have to feel your feelings. Never
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: try to, that's what I would always do. I would always,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: when I would get sad, I would like try not
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: to cry. That is so horrible. If you want to cry, cry.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: If you are angry, be angry. But just remember to
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: never stay that way. remember take that anger and make
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: it into happiness take that anger and write a song
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: if i'm super sad write a song if you want
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: to be alone girl grab your guitar or make a
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: track or without nothing write lyrics write a poem and
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: i think that's another thing i feel like a lot
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: of times it's always like oh you have to be
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: doing music all the time that's also not true you
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: know you can write notes i do that all the
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: time like i just write notes you know I write sentences.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: It doesn't even matter. And I'll never use them, ever.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: But it just helps me a little bit. And one
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: advice that I do want to give to everybody is
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: listen to music, please. Don't close yourself off to music
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: that you've never listened to. For instance, if you're a
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: UK artist and you're doing indie, go listen to reggaeton,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: you know? Go listen to Be'ele. Go listen to Shakira.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Go listen to Maluma. Don't close yourself off to music.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: And I think that's one thing that I did a lot.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: And now all my new music that's coming out, when
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: you listen to it, you're going to be like, wow,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: this is weird because there's a lot of influence. things
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: from so many different areas, you know? There's one song
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: that has a little bit of a Mexican vibe. There's
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: another song that has Kanye West mixed with Mexican. It's
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: like very... Very weird. And I think that is something
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: that I recommend for everybody. Please listen to music. Listen
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: to music that you were like, why would I ever
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: listen to this? This is not going to help me. No,
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: it will. And not only music, but listen, you know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: I think like if you're watching a TV show, if
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: you're watching White Lotus, listen to the little flutes that
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: they use. I actually just have a song that's coming
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: out and it has kind of that white Lotus flute vibe,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: you know? And that's the thing, like listen to all
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: of those little samples and those things, because that can
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: really help you find who you are. So that's my advice.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I couldn't, I couldn't agree more.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I am not, you know, I am not Paul McCartney
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: or Bruno Mars to give anybody, but I hope I
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: just want, I want like, I just, for me, it's like,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: if you're going to do this, I want you to succeed.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: You know, I want you to succeed. So if you're
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: going to do this, just know, girl, there are sacrifices.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: You have to work very hard and you have to
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: believe in yourself. You have to believe in yourself because
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: you are the only one that is going to get
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: you somewhere. Nobody else. Nobody else. Nobody else. Yes, you'll
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: have people that help you. Yes, you have people that
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: believe in you, but you are the one that is controlling.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: And if you're not controlling, then you're going to end
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: up doing music you don't like. you know? And I
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: think like, for me, like I was doing so much music,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: not that I didn't like, but it just wasn't me.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: And now I have found myself because I have realized like,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: this is me. I'm going to do me. I'm going
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: to do me.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: So yeah. I'm so glad I asked you that. I
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: feel like I.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Gave a lot of information. Hopefully I didn't sound negative.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: I feel like I was really hard. You're not going
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: to be able to hang out with any friends. You can't,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: you can't.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: No honestly 100% agree I could not agree more especially
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: about the music music is what brings us together you
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: meet people in the strangest of places because of music
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: it really is it's like a life force that we
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: kind of feed from it's amazing and I agree about
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: listening going out and listening to everything you possibly can
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: because you find stuff again in the strangest places that
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't expect and that's the magic of it and
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: that's why we do it it's amazing and I'm going
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: to now ask you Penelope my final question this is
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: the one that I wanted to ask you in the
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  Speaker 3: first one for some reason I didn't and it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of the most reflective the reason I wanted to ask
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  Speaker 3: you because it's like the most reflective and kind of
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  Speaker 3: deep one when I get deep. What would you say
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  Speaker 3: is your proudest moment so far?
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  Speaker 4: I think like before I used to say like when
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  Speaker 4: I opened for Karol G, that was a very proud moment.
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  Speaker 4: But I think my proudest moment now that I have
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  Speaker 4: like found myself has been me coming to Colombia, learning Spanish,
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  Speaker 4: singing in Spanish, the fact that I got signed with
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  Speaker 4: Sony here in Latin America, all of those things, I
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  Speaker 4: think that that is like the most proud. And it's
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  Speaker 4: just more of like, you did that girl. You did
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  Speaker 4: that girl because you wanted to and you believed in
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  Speaker 4: this amazing country. And, you know, it's just, I think
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  Speaker 4: that's my proudest moment. I think so. I think I
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  Speaker 4: used to always say like, oh, when I would do shows,
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  Speaker 4: which that is a proud moment. But I think now
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  Speaker 4: that I have tapped in more into like myself, That
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  Speaker 4: is my proudest moment, you know, a little gringa. That's
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  Speaker 4: what they say here, a gringa, a white girl. Well,
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  Speaker 4: technically my parents are Latin, but still, I'm like a
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  Speaker 4: white girl. But I'm saying like, you know, like a
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  Speaker 4: little white girl, like coming here to Colombia, learning Spanish.
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  Speaker 4: I am a Colombian. I'm adopted, by the way. Like
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  Speaker 4: I am super Colombian. Yeah. singing in Spanish, starting to
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  Speaker 4: produce my own music, really finding myself here in Colombia.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I've only lived here for five years and
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I already love this place. It feels like home. And
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: I think that is my most proudest moment ever. And
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I think Colombia has really helped me find myself. So
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  Speaker 4: I think it's really, really cool that I came here
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  Speaker 4: without even knowing Spanish, without even knowing music here and
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  Speaker 4: you know now I'm doing this thing and I also
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  Speaker 4: did that amazing achievement I signed with my first you
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  Speaker 4: know label that's crazy so I think I think that's
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  Speaker 4: my big my proudest moment ever