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Credlin | 10 September · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Kranland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. I think about six
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  Speaker 2: point thirty we will have a press conference from Federal
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  Speaker 2: Liberal leader Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 3: Its due at that time.
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  Speaker 2: I can reveal to you there are some startling decisions
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  Speaker 2: that have been made about the ministerial shadow ministerial future
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  Speaker 2: of Senator Jacinta Price, and they will be revealed shortly.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have a lot to say when it happens. Goodness
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  Speaker 2: me the Liberals. Let's run through what's on the program tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Victorian crime spiraling out of controls. The Premier today ruling
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  Speaker 2: out pepper spray with claims that some Victorians are taking
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  Speaker 2: up spearfishing just to have a weapon at home to
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  Speaker 2: keep the families safe. It is dangerously out of control
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  Speaker 2: crime in Melbourne. Another escalation I've noted in the Middle
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  Speaker 2: East war, with Israel launching a strike on Hamas leadership
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  Speaker 2: based in Qatar. There's been a favorite of criticism for
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  Speaker 2: the strike. Gregg Survent will weigh in a little later
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  Speaker 2: on blast get ready for Toddler Treaty indoctrination. Four year
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  Speaker 2: olds said to be told that they're living on stolen land. Now,
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  Speaker 2: goodness me, this is madness and the opposition at a
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  Speaker 2: federal level, well, we'll hear from Susan Lee at six thirty.
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  Speaker 2: I suspect for Rogers Enterprise has been given her marching orders.
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  Speaker 2: But today it was all about Susan Lee's leadership.
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  Speaker 4: There is no doubt that it's been terribly handled internally.
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  Speaker 4: I think that the leader's office would probably now acknowledge
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  Speaker 4: that if the leader wanted an outcome, she probably should
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  Speaker 4: have picked up the phone her self.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there's no doubt that we were a very united
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  Speaker 5: team under Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 2: But first, as all of you who watched the show
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  Speaker 2: regularly would know, politics, as I often say, is a contest,
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  Speaker 2: and you can't win a contest unless you have a
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  Speaker 2: clear and strong alternative. Last night I made the point
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  Speaker 2: that Susan Lee's federal liberals can't move from the Just
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  Speaker 2: Enterprise sag are in part because when you have no
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  Speaker 2: strong position of your own on immigration, when your policy
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  Speaker 2: is up in the air and under review for months
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  Speaker 2: and months on end on everything, it's hard to change
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  Speaker 2: the subject from personalities to policies. You don't have anywhere
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  Speaker 2: any policies. There's nowhere to go.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 2: The same is true with liberals in Victoria, despite the
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  Speaker 2: fact that the Allen Labor government's are worst in living memory.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty stiff competition out there. It is a broken state.
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  Speaker 2: The Melbourne CBDs goes down because of working from home.
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  Speaker 2: It's grotty shops are closed, it's not safe. The ones
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  Speaker 2: beautiful wide streets of Melbourne are choked with bike lanes
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  Speaker 2: or closed with endless construction, not to mention the drug
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  Speaker 2: use and rough sleepers on almost every corner statewide. People
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  Speaker 2: have fled the capital. People and their money are leaving.
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  Speaker 2: Businesses are leaving as well because of Labour's high taxes
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  Speaker 2: and more of that's to come. Crime, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's out of control. You see the headlines. The home invasions,
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  Speaker 2: are carjackings and of course the deaths all out of
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  Speaker 2: control because of politically correct policing policy that leaves the
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  Speaker 2: poor old uniformed officers trying to do their job with
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  Speaker 2: one arm tied behind their back. And don't even get
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  Speaker 2: me started on the judiciary with their revolving door on
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  Speaker 2: bail decisions, which now even senior police are willing to
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  Speaker 2: publicly raise as an issue but as bad as all
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  Speaker 2: that is, and it's horrific if you live in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: If the polls are to be believed, there's appalling government's
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  Speaker 2: odds on.
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  Speaker 3: To be returned. And don't think that won't happen.
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  Speaker 2: After all, this is a state that gave Daniel Andrews
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  Speaker 2: another term even after he'd locked them up for two years.
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  Speaker 3: And yet the.
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  Speaker 2: Brutal campaigning politics of labor plays a role here. They
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  Speaker 2: are good at the negative campaign, so to the strength
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  Speaker 2: of the states and militant unions. But let's be honest,
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  Speaker 2: a weak oppositions also a big part of the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: As decent as Brad Batton is, Victorian Liberals need to
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  Speaker 2: kick up the backside. You see, at election time voters
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  Speaker 2: don't just ask one question.
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  Speaker 3: They ask too.
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  Speaker 2: First they asked does the government deserve to be re elected?
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  Speaker 2: Now that answers a no is then a second question
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  Speaker 2: is the opposition ready to govern?
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  Speaker 6: Now?
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  Speaker 3: Voters have to.
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  Speaker 2: Be satisfied on both counts to change the government. Back
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  Speaker 2: to the last election, did Andrews need to go? Absolutely?
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  Speaker 2: Was the Matthew guy liberals?
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  Speaker 3: Were they ready to lead? No? That was the voter's conclusion.
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  Speaker 2: And you see this is where the Victorian Liberal Party
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  Speaker 2: has not just let itself down, but it's consistently betrayed
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  Speaker 2: the people of Victoria by failing to be a credible
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  Speaker 2: alternative government, not just an opposition, but an alternative government.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's not just the John Persuto disaster, the leader
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  Speaker 2: who self immolated because he wasn't mad enough to apologize
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  Speaker 2: after he wrongly accused a colleague of being.
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  Speaker 3: Linked to the a Nazis.
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  Speaker 2: It's much more the fact that the Liberals will criticize
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  Speaker 2: the government but almost never come up with a clear
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  Speaker 2: position of their own because they're internally divided, terrified and
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  Speaker 2: making decisions frightened of criticism, or just by lazy, probably
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  Speaker 2: a bit of all of the above. Now, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: that's the truth. There's a pattern of behavior here and
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  Speaker 2: it cannot be ignored. And maybe by calling it out
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  Speaker 2: we can get the change to the Victorians Australians are.
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  Speaker 3: So desperate to see.
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  Speaker 2: Now, take the issue of Labour's new treaty with Aboriginal Victorians.
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  Speaker 2: Last night of this program, the Victorian leader Bragg Baton
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  Speaker 2: quite rightly criticized State Labour's move to create much the
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  Speaker 2: same state based Indigenous voice that Victorian voters so clearly rejected.
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  Speaker 3: At a federal level.
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  Speaker 7: We are definitely opposing this legislation, and Peter, I know
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  Speaker 7: that your listeners are well and truly aware of that,
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  Speaker 7: and we'll be working through There's got to be an
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  Speaker 7: alternative to close the gap here in Victoria without a
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  Speaker 7: treaty and without a voice that the Victorians didn't commit to.
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  Speaker 2: Great, But Brad, how can you credibly oppose something as
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  Speaker 2: bad in principle and contrary to what the people want
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  Speaker 2: without pledging to reverse it?
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  Speaker 3: Should you form government?
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  Speaker 6: Now?
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  Speaker 2: When I put this to Brad Batton last night, here
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  Speaker 2: was his initial response. Give me an answer on the
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  Speaker 2: question of whether you would repeal it if it passes
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  Speaker 2: the parliament.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, as I said, Pat, and I only can say,
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  Speaker 7: we will have an alternative in there. That is the
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  Speaker 7: best way to describe. We'll have an alternative that says,
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  Speaker 7: what can we do to ensure we're delivering the outcomes
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  Speaker 7: for Aboriginal people here in Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: Well, eventually we got this, so to.
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  Speaker 7: Have the alternative, my instinct that would be that it
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  Speaker 7: wouldn't be there in the future.
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  Speaker 2: As I said, Batton's a decent man. The best leader
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  Speaker 2: of the Liberal have and as good that his instinct
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  Speaker 2: is to repeal the voice. But the public are entitled
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  Speaker 2: to know what his commitment is. Why is it so
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  Speaker 2: hard for the Victorian liberals liberals to make a definitive
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  Speaker 2: commitment on anything.
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  Speaker 3: Here's another example.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday, to his credit, Baton pressed the governmentor knife crime
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  Speaker 2: in the Parliament was thrown out for his trouble. This morning,
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  Speaker 2: though he called into a Melbourne radio station three aw
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  Speaker 2: to explain what he'd do should have become Premier in
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  Speaker 2: the wake of those deadly machete attacks over the weekend
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  Speaker 2: and the brutal slang of two innocent kids. Now specifically,
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  Speaker 2: Batton was asked about Jack's Law, so named in honor
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  Speaker 2: of Jack Beasley, the Queensland teenager stabbed to death in
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  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen whose parents have since been campaigning for greater
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  Speaker 2: police powers across the country. In Queensland, that law's in
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  Speaker 2: place in New South Wales two and allowed police in
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  Speaker 2: crime hotspots to randomly approach people and use one of
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  Speaker 2: those metal detector wants to if they're carrying a knife. Indeed,
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  Speaker 2: in the first nine months of Jack's Law in New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales, police have reportedly scanned some twenty thousand individuals,
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  Speaker 2: have seen some two hundred and seven weapons, and that's
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  Speaker 2: led to one hundred and five charges.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a no brainer.
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  Speaker 2: And even though Jack's dad, Brett, had been on that
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  Speaker 2: radio station three i W the day before, and even
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  Speaker 2: though Baton admits he's been speaking with the dad Brett,
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  Speaker 2: when asked would he, if he was the premier, introduced
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  Speaker 2: Jack's Law in Victoria, he couldn't give a straight answer.
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  Speaker 8: I can't make that commitment today. But what I can
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  Speaker 8: say to you Ross and Ross is I am meeting
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  Speaker 8: again with Brett. We want to make sure that if
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  Speaker 8: the legislation is all in place, but we have the
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  Speaker 8: absolute goal. The government have decided to put machete bins
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  Speaker 8: out hoping crooks bring knives to bins. We will make
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  Speaker 8: sure police have powers to go out and take them
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  Speaker 8: off the street. That will be our commitment.
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  Speaker 9: Yet, what's causing you to hesitate to implementing what is
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  Speaker 9: at the extra ordinarily.
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  Speaker 10: Popular with the public, a very popular plan.
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  Speaker 8: Could it be disingenuous for me to come out and
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  Speaker 8: talk about exactly what we're doing before I've gone through
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  Speaker 8: this with Brett.
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  Speaker 2: Finally, now Come on, what's the point of talking to
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  Speaker 2: something like Brett Beasley if you still can't make up
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  Speaker 2: your mind about a measure that would so obviously help
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  Speaker 2: with see it in New South Wales and Queensland. Stop
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  Speaker 2: violent crime. Yes, you're a good bloke, bad Brad Button,
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  Speaker 2: you're a former cop, you get it. But you and
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  Speaker 2: your party got to stop hiding behind this line of
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  Speaker 2: internal processes. Yes, have those processes. They're important, I absolutely
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  Speaker 2: get that, but speed them up.
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  Speaker 3: Work weekends.
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  Speaker 2: If you have to stop your shadow ministers from taking
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  Speaker 2: all these overseas holidays, put them to work, because the
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  Speaker 2: only job you've got in opposition is to do the
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  Speaker 2: hard work to get out of it and into government,
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: and clearly not enough is being done fast enough. Here's
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  Speaker 2: another example in Country Victoria. Apart from as crazy renewables push,
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  Speaker 2: the biggest issue is the Emergency Services levee. No farmers
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  Speaker 2: paying more for the fire fighting services they provide anyway
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  Speaker 2: as volunteers.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: A fortnight before that monster rally on the steps of
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  Speaker 2: Parliament House, Brad Batton was on my show saying that
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  Speaker 2: he would oppose the levee. All right, let's be really
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  Speaker 2: really clear then to voters tonight. Where do you stand
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  Speaker 2: on this levee.
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  Speaker 7: Our priority right at the moment, Peter is we do
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  Speaker 7: not support this levee. Our goal is to make sure
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  Speaker 7: it does not go through this Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 2: But again, what he couldn't do, wouldn't do, was tell
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  Speaker 2: me what he would do in government should he get there.
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  Speaker 7: If the government gets the numbers and the Greens or
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  Speaker 7: the Animal Justice Party or any of those other minor
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  Speaker 7: parties fold or give up something else and sell out farmers,
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  Speaker 7: we will then go and meet with the farmers and
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  Speaker 7: find the best way forward. So we've got a fair
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  Speaker 7: attack system.
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  Speaker 3: Now as happen on this issue.
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  Speaker 2: On the day's team finally announced that they would not
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  Speaker 2: only oppose the levee, they would repeal it. But that's
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  Speaker 2: only because he was forced to front up to the
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  Speaker 2: rally and in you, we wouldn't get out of there
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  Speaker 2: alive if he stayed sitting on the fence. Now, please,
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  Speaker 2: this is politics one oh one. You cannot be a
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  Speaker 2: credible alternative premier or Prime Minister Susan Lee if you
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  Speaker 2: can't specifically say in concrete terms want to be different
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  Speaker 2: and better under your government. And you have got to
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  Speaker 2: be able to do that when the issues front and
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  Speaker 2: center in the headlines, in the minds of voters, and
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  Speaker 2: people are looking to you for answers.
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  Speaker 3: Now, as I said, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Brad Batten's the best alternative premier the state's got. But
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  Speaker 2: he's got to have more definitive answers to at least
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  Speaker 2: some of the hard questions that are facing the people
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  Speaker 2: of Victoria if he's to save the state from the
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  Speaker 2: worst government in our history. Because right now he's got
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  Speaker 2: to move those polling numbers, or I hate to say it,
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: labor will get back. You can see they're at the
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: bottom of your screen, that breaking news there that just
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  Speaker 2: into Price has been dumped. I hazard to say it'll
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  Speaker 2: be framed as related to those comments in relation to
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  Speaker 2: India migrants, but it is in fact related to her
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  Speaker 2: refusal this afternoon or failure this afternoon to back in
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lee's leadership.
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  Speaker 3: So Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 2: Can move, she can pick up the phone when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to her position as leader, but not as we
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  Speaker 2: saw in recent days over Commons, she says she wasn't
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: happy with let's go to Camen out for the package.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: The updates with Sky News political reporter Ruben Spargo.
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  Speaker 10: The government is warning the situation in Qatar is unpredictable
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  Speaker 10: after Israel's strike on Doha. The Department of Foreign Affairs
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  Speaker 10: and Trade has updated its advice on the Smart Travel website,
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  Speaker 10: claiming terrorist attacks could occur at any time.
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  Speaker 6: We are concerned that these sort of actions are moving
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  Speaker 6: away from peace.
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  Speaker 10: Foreign Minister Penny Wong is condemning the attack as a
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  Speaker 10: clear breach on Qatar's sovereignty and a limit on ceasefire
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  Speaker 10: talks in a rare move. The Federal opposition has also
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  Speaker 10: criticized the Net and Yahoo government's actions.
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  Speaker 3: Deeply concerning the actions of Israel overnight.
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  Speaker 11: Israel has to explain its actions here.
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  Speaker 10: The Prime Minister has directed Australian officials to press ahead
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  Speaker 10: with negotiations on a new security pact with Fiji. He
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  Speaker 10: met his Fijan counterpart on the sidelines of the Pacific
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  Speaker 10: Islands Forum.
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  Speaker 12: I don't want to preempt the discussion at early stages.
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  Speaker 10: Anthony Albanesi departed Vanuatu this morning without sealing a five
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  Speaker 10: hundred million dollar partnership with the nation, but expressed confidence
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  Speaker 10: the agreement would be reached. The Australian government is investing
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  Speaker 10: big in a new fleet of extra large autonomous submarines
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  Speaker 10: known as the Ghost Shark. They're set to join the
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  Speaker 10: Royal Australian Navy under a new defense deal worth one
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  Speaker 10: point seven billion dollars. The robotic vessel can gather intelligence
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  Speaker 10: as well as carry out strikes at extremely long distances.
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  Speaker 10: The submarines will be built in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Joining me now Senior reporter Carolyn Marcus in
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  Speaker 2: Sydney and National affairs editor Daddy. Telegraph's Guy News host,
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  Speaker 2: of course, James Morrow. James will start with that news
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  Speaker 2: that Senator Price has been axed from the channel. Catch
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  Speaker 2: from the Shadow Cabinet where awaiting the opposition leader's press conference.
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  Speaker 2: It's coming out of Tasmania at around.
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  Speaker 3: Six point thirty.
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  Speaker 2: But there's been a statement issued by just Enter Price.
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  Speaker 2: The statement reads this evening, I spoke with the leader
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  Speaker 2: of the Federal Liberal Party, Federal Opposition Leader Susan Lee,
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  Speaker 2: who has asked me to step down from the Shadow Ministry.
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  Speaker 2: I've accepted the leader's decision and I reiterated my regret
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  Speaker 2: at not being clearer in my comments on the ABC
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  Speaker 2: last Wednesday. But James, you have heard my point. It's
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  Speaker 2: not about these immigration comments. This is about this afternoon
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  Speaker 2: when pointedly asked in Perth did she back the leader,
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  Speaker 2: just Enterprise did not.
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  Speaker 9: Well, exactly right, And this has been brewing really, I
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  Speaker 9: think from the moment that just In the Price jumped
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  Speaker 9: ship out of the National Party Room and into the
• 15:21
  Speaker 9: Liberal Party Room. When she then moved that within the
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  Speaker 9: NP in the Northern Territory there there was always going
• 15:28
  Speaker 9: to be some sort of conflict. This was always going
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  Speaker 9: to come to Greef right, because her entering the Liberal
• 15:35
  Speaker 9: Party room was immediately destabilizing to Susan Lay. You know,
• 15:40
  Speaker 9: she put her hand up for Deputy leader right away
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  Speaker 9: again sending the message I'm a part of the other
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  Speaker 9: team that is coming for you now. Something was always
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  Speaker 9: going to happen. And when she made those remarks, and
• 15:52
  Speaker 9: they were dumb remarks, because it's like, you could have
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  Speaker 9: this whole debate about big Australia and migration and all that,
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  Speaker 9: and we really need to have that. But then to
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  Speaker 9: say all these temporary migrants that Australia is bringing in
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  Speaker 9: from India as part of a labor plot to stack
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  Speaker 9: them into it, it's offensive and it doesn't make sense
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  Speaker 9: I've spoken to Indian friends Sydney Australia friends who you
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  Speaker 9: know are just like horrified at the idea that they're
• 16:15
  Speaker 9: even associated with voting labor. But she refused to apologize,
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  Speaker 9: and so within that we saw the whole saga of
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  Speaker 9: Alex Hawk pushing against her, walking point essentially against her
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  Speaker 9: on this and warning her that if she didn't pull
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  Speaker 9: her head in, she was going to be He didn't
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  Speaker 9: say it in so many words, drop from the shadow cabinet,
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  Speaker 9: and well, you know what, here we are. It's Wednesday night.
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  Speaker 9: This story has been going on for six days. This
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  Speaker 9: should have been a one day story, and everybody has
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  Speaker 9: mismanaged this on all sides of this. Frankly, I think,
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  Speaker 9: and it's a shame for Just Enterprise, who I think
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  Speaker 9: has an awful lot to offer the country. But you know,
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  Speaker 9: the politics of this were always going to play against her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just times if I can't, James, because you
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  Speaker 2: know the politics of envy and side political parties as
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  Speaker 2: well as I do.
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  Speaker 3: You only advance to a political party.
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  Speaker 2: There's capped numbers in the Parliament, there are capped numbers
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  Speaker 2: in the ministry. You only advance by taking someone else
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  Speaker 2: out and you are right. When she left the National
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Party and joined the Liberals, there was a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people outside the Parliament sharing her arriving in the big
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: party in the coalition, but there was also inside the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party, and I can tell you this from people
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  Speaker 2: I spoke to fair amount of jealousy.
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  Speaker 3: She had a huge profile.
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  Speaker 2: During the Voice, She had a cut through that most
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  Speaker 2: Liberals would love to have, and I think people were
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  Speaker 2: then watching their backs to see whether they're placed in
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the queue might be displaced by just enter price. So
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised it's come to this, but I am
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: surprised it's happened so quickly in Susan Lee's tenure. But
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I tell you what, if the leader wants to take
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  Speaker 2: issue with a colleague, don't send Jaboba boy out there.
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  Speaker 3: This could have all been resolved.
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  Speaker 2: On the Wednesday when those clumsy comments were made, and they.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Could say themselves a week of bleeding in.
• 18:08
  Speaker 9: Public, absolutely right, absolutely right. And you know it was
• 18:14
  Speaker 9: I think quite a deliberate point to put Alex Hawk
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: out there to make the you know, to be the
• 18:19
  Speaker 9: hard man on this, because we know he's a very hard,
• 18:22
  Speaker 9: ruthless factional player, and you know, everything's about the jealousy,
• 18:25
  Speaker 9: is correct. And as I say, as you said, you
• 18:27
  Speaker 9: know that whole thing of the jealousy around her, and
• 18:30
  Speaker 9: you know, people worried about what was she going to
• 18:32
  Speaker 9: you she'd come in quietly. She came in very, very
• 18:35
  Speaker 9: big and large right after the election. And you know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 9: I'm actually not sprived. It took you know, such a
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: short period of time this is, but how many months
• 18:43
  Speaker 9: are we into this? Five months and that's a long
• 18:46
  Speaker 9: time in politics.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I have to say, knowing how leadership rumblings go
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: on and on and on, Caroline, this is not the
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: end of it. I suspect now this is the official
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: start of things. To regard this as the beginning of
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the end for Susan Lee, knowing the sort of support
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: out there in the community that Just Enterprise has. And
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: of course you know that comments she made that Labor
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: are deliberately bringing in these Indian migrants because they vote
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: for labor, that is wrong, actually wrong.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Put that to one side.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: But all the other things she said about the high
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: rate of migration, generally, about the fact that there has
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: been a doubling of Indian migrants over the last ten years,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: all that's backed up by statistical evidence. So there is
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: a lot there that Australians want an honest debate about.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: You can't shut this down and sweet under the carpet.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: The debate is not going to go away, Caroline.
• 19:40
  Speaker 11: No, it isn't. And you could see from the recent
• 19:42
  Speaker 11: march that we had here in Sydney people do really
• 19:47
  Speaker 11: care about this issue. I mean, put aside some of
• 19:49
  Speaker 11: the more extremists who came out on the day, Australians
• 19:52
  Speaker 11: are concerned about mass immigration. And yes, Just Enterprises comments
• 19:58
  Speaker 11: may not have been factual, they might have been clumsy,
• 20:01
  Speaker 11: as she herself admits, and it was wrong to single
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: out I think a specific ethnic community, even if we
• 20:08
  Speaker 11: have seen a doubling in numbers from the Indian community.
• 20:12
  Speaker 11: What's important is the overall number and the increase in
• 20:17
  Speaker 11: immigration and how we do not have the infrastructure to
• 20:21
  Speaker 11: support it, and how.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 20:24
  Speaker 11: Just expounding on the problems, compounding the problems we already
• 20:29
  Speaker 11: have in this country. So I think that she was
• 20:33
  Speaker 11: right to talk about this issue. She just handled it
• 20:35
  Speaker 11: the wrong way. But you know, you're both correct. There's
• 20:38
  Speaker 11: a lot of factional things going on here. What's clear
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: is that Just Enterprise would never have really supported and
• 20:44
  Speaker 11: backed in Susan Lee as a leader. Anyway, she ran
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: on the opposite ticket, the Conservative ticket with Angus Taylor
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: in that initial leadership race, so it was never going
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: to happen. So obviously she was not going to say
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: that she vaccerents explicit Lee when asked today. That's no
• 21:01
  Speaker 11: huge surprise either, James.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I want to pick up the Commentsovator at the top
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: of the show about just the lack of clarity from
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the Victorian Liberals. It's just as relevant for the federal Liberals,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: though I do accept they only arrived there in May,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: but they've thrown everything up in the air in terms
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: of this is reviewed, and that's reviewed, and it's the
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: reason why they can't get off this discussion about personalities
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: because they've got no.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Policy to pivot to.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Well, the Victoria lives have been there for three years.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: You know, Victorians want a change of government, absolutely desperate.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: But on a treaty, Bred Baton couldn't tell me whether
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: he would repeal that tout doesn't like it, we'll oppose it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Couldn't tell me if he'd repeal it. Was pushed today
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: about knife crime and scanners for police couldn't give a
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: straight answer on that. It took a long time to
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: come to a position that he would repeal the emergency
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: service as Levy. Now, I have to say everyone in
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: opposition in Victoria should be working day and night, even
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: over the weekend, to get the policies done, get them
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: out and sell them. Because that was the problem with
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton. Not enough time the policies blooded in the market,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: not enough time talking to people. And I decide that
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Victoria leaves it falling into the same trap.
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: Well, you know, as a wise man once said, many
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: such cases. You know, we're seeing this on a federal level,
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: as you said before, But this is just like in Victoria.
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: If you're the opposition, you should absolutely be pushing on
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: an open door to win in that state. You've got
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: the economic crisis, you've got the infrastructure crises, you've got
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: the crime crisis. I'll tell you the crime crisis is
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: so bad today that even Crike, the Criky website, said
• 22:43
  Speaker 9: oh yeah, no, it's not a tabloid beat up. Crime
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: Victoria is really bad. You've got these horrific cases of
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: Masheti attacks. When did this start happening? If the opposition
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: can't come up with some clear, sensible policies to walk
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: into government to say to Victoria's you don't have to
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: live this way. You do not have to live this
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: way with the threat of carjackings and MATCHETI attacks. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: you know, I saw the other day where one of
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: the big hardware stores says the only category where sales
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: are increasing in Victoria is home security stuff. I mean
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: that tells you how bad things are everywhere and how
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: terrified people are. You know, people don't have to live
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: this way. And the opposition should have some really clear
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: easy points, tough on crime, empowering people to fight back,
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: policies to let them do this, and they would be
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: home and hosts. But they don't even have anything that
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: they can fight on here. And as you say, it's
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: very weak on I think by Brad Batton that he's
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: not able to even say on the treaty we all
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: voted against this stuff, we're not doing it. If we
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: come to government. It's gone one sentence. It's so easy,
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: and I don't know what the problem is.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I quickly mentioned the South thenoon on Jackie Felge
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: it's talk back radio program, people calling in saying I've
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: taken up spearfishing because I want to have a spear
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: gun inside the front door for when, when, not if,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: when my home gets invaded, to protect my family. And
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the Premier to day pushed on whether or not you
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: do a trial on pepper spray and Victorias, she ruled
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: that out. Any wonder people are so angry. Have to
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: leave it there. I've got an eye on the clock
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: and we've got Susan Lee on Afeta around six point thirty.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I'll leave it there, thank you both.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in environment editor at The Australian, Graham, Lloyd Graham.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I want to get you on just briefly.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I know we had planned to speak about so much more,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: but we'll run through some of these issues because I
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: want people to be across them at home.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: The stalling of.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: This massive gas extension for Woodside. This is on the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Northwest Shelf. What's happening here? Thirty billion dollars and it's
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: up in the air.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: That tried, Peter. This is a project that is vital
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: for Western Australia and its gas security. It's been waiting
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: environmental approvals for many years and the federal government has
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: been dizzering and unable to deliver, and then immediately before
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: the state election they did give an approval that would
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: be to establish their bona fides. I guess with the
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: government there. But now we find that they're very conditional
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: approvals and the company is saying their conditions that are
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: very difficult to meet in terms of emissions and potential
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: acid rain which will affect some stone carve ex or petroglyphs.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: The science on this is disputed, but it really shows
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: the difficulty of getting projects through and the way the
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: Albanese government is prepared to walk both sides of the street.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Just quickly.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: The Conservation Foundation soon to be headed next year by
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Adam Bands, they are pushing the government, federal government to
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: include a climate trigger in all of these environmental approvals.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: The ministers have ruled this out, but Bands and activist,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: he's still pushing hard.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Bant's an activist and he now actually is an activist
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: who doesn't really have a great deal of power. So
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: he has taken a position which I think is a
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: high risk move for the Conservation Foundation because they've put
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: themselves our way out to the left. Adam Band is
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: going to be demanding these things. He carries no votes
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: in Parliament. He can't negotiate any changes of legislation with
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: the government, but he's going to be out there making
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: a lot of noise and I think it will be
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: a unhelpful and be counterproductive.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Right well over it there, as you can appreciate, it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: busy night tonight. We've got Susan Lee about to speak
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: out of Tasmania. I can update those of you at
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: home if you've missed the top of the show, saidator
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: just into that. But jimper Price has been dumped by
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee from the Coalition front bench. Susan Lee will
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: speak to the media shortly. There's been a statement issued
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: by Center. Price will take a quick break and then
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: come back.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I have still got an island Tasmania. The anticipated press
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: conference from Susan Lee.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Ju any moment.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: But first it's got to those Israeli strikes in Katar
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: overnight and who better to discuss that than Tuesday Night
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Wednesday Night. Regular foreign editor at this Astralian Greg Shur
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and Greeg welcome these strikes by Israel on the Hummas
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: leadership in Doha. A fair amount of global condemnation, but
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: It's also raised a whole lot of questions about Katar's
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: role as both a mediator in this dispute but also
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: a safe haven for terrorists.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Give me your take.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: Here, well, Peter, great to be with you on a
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: very nervous news breaking moment. Look, Israel has a right
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: to wage war against Hummas. Hammas is a vile terrorist,
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: murderist outfit fueled by andy Semitic hatreds, formed by Iran
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: and guilty of the worst crimes the humanity has seen
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: having and Katar. There's a lot to criticize in Qatari
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: national policy. It tends to walk both sides of the street.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: It supports terrorists in various ways, but without being guilty
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: of terrorism itself. But it's also a military ally of
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: the United States and hosts the biggest American base in
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: the region. I myself, on balance, think Nettnya who was
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: ill advised to do this. I think he's operating with
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: a defective cost benefit analysis. The Hamas leaders were coming
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: to Qatar, and I agree with you, it's very distasteful
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: to see them swamping around in five star luxury while
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: the people they claim to represent in Gaza lived through
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: the shocking consequences of their actions. But they were coming
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: to Qatar in part to participate in a process Donald
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: Trump had put in train for truce negotiations. So normally
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: in a conflict, don't you don't kill your enemy when
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: he comes together for truce negotiations. Breaching the territorial integrity
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: of Qatar is from attacking has Bala in southern Lebanon
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: or attacking Iran. I think the cost, and then they
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: didn't get the Hamas leaders are after anyway. I just
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: think Natnyahu now is subject to a law of diminishing returns.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: He's getting diminishing returns from his continued military actions, but
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: they are imposing a cost on Israel.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: All right, let's move across to Vanihatu, our prime minister's there.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Obviously he couldn't cut a deal in relation to a
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: promised five hundred million dollars security packed with Vaniwatu because
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: they didn't want to have any restrictions in the contract
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: basically the treaty that were designed to block them from
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: getting further money down the track from China. Now this
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: is a concern as well.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: You're absolutely right, Peter, this is very very concerning the
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: Chinese are at least matching us in the South Pacific
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: the government of the People's Public of China, and that's
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: very bad for us. And we have you know, the
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: PRC operates all over the world. We only really operate
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: in the South Pacific and we're not winning there. The
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: government has been reasonably energetic.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Greg, forgive me, forgive me, forgive me. We've
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: got to go live now to Hobart.
• 30:17
  Speaker 13: We would reflect modern Australia, respect modern Australia and represent
• 30:24
  Speaker 13: modern Australia. Serving in my Shadow Ministry is a privilege
• 30:29
  Speaker 13: and it is a requirement to have confidence in the leadership.
• 30:37
  Speaker 13: Senator just Center Nampajmperprice has failed a test of high
• 30:42
  Speaker 13: standard that I have set for members of my Shadow Ministry.
• 30:49
  Speaker 13: Several days ago, Senator Namba Jmperprice made comments that were
• 30:55
  Speaker 13: deeply hurtful to Indian Australians. The comments were wrong and
• 31:01
  Speaker 13: should not have been made. Since that time, my team
• 31:05
  Speaker 13: and I have been out listening to Australians of Indian
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: heritage and we have heard their response and the pain
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: and hurt that these remarks provided for them. And despite
• 31:22
  Speaker 13: being given the time and space to apologize, Senator just
• 31:27
  Speaker 13: Internapagen Proprice did not offer an apology today, and many Australians,
• 31:34
  Speaker 13: not just of Indian heritage, have been calling for that
• 31:38
  Speaker 13: apology for remarks that were deeply hurtful. Now today the Senator, today,
• 31:48
  Speaker 13: Senator just Internapagen Proprize, critically failed to provide confidence in
• 31:55
  Speaker 13: my leadership of the Liberal Party. Confidence in the leader
• 32:00
  Speaker 13: is a requirement for serving in the shadow ministry. A
• 32:05
  Speaker 13: few a couple of hours ago, I spoke to the
• 32:11
  Speaker 13: Senator and I advised her of my decision.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Consider returning to the Nationals.
• 32:21
  Speaker 13: Well, these are matters for just Internamba Jenter Price to
• 32:24
  Speaker 13: consider her future. But I warmly welcomed her into our
• 32:29
  Speaker 13: Liberal Party party room, and I still warmly welcome her
• 32:33
  Speaker 13: in our Liberal Party. She is an outstanding Australian who
• 32:36
  Speaker 13: has achieved much, and I know that she is admired
• 32:41
  Speaker 13: and loved by many in this country. Her membership of
• 32:44
  Speaker 13: the Liberal Party is something we continue to welcome and supports.
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: She expressed her disappointment and some of her comments about
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: mass migration were disregarded.
• 32:55
  Speaker 9: What did she say to you?
• 32:57
  Speaker 13: Well, I don't divulge the details of private converse. My
• 33:00
  Speaker 13: call to her was to advise her of the decision
• 33:04
  Speaker 13: that I have made and to advise her that today Critically,
• 33:09
  Speaker 13: she refused to express confidence in my leadership of the
• 33:13
  Speaker 13: Liberal Party, and confidence in the leader is a requirement
• 33:18
  Speaker 13: for serving in the shadow Ministry.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Have considered dumping her from pull together from the party
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: room given she want express confidence.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I've just answered that question.
• 33:26
  Speaker 13: She's warmly welcomed into the Liberal Party party room and
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: we warmly welcome her membership of the Liberal Party.
• 33:32
  Speaker 10: What's your message to people thinking about protesting on migration
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: this Saturday in Melbourne.
• 33:38
  Speaker 13: The issues of infrastructure, migration and getting the balance right
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: are important ones and many people across this country, including
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: at march Is, are expressing those concerns. Migrant communities also
• 33:52
  Speaker 13: hold those concerns. There is not a failure on behalf
• 33:56
  Speaker 13: of any migrant or migrant community. This is a failure
• 34:00
  Speaker 13: of our government for not providing the infrastructure that allows
• 34:05
  Speaker 13: for the jobs, services, schooling, education, roads etc. To actually
• 34:10
  Speaker 13: support our growing communities. And I will not take a
• 34:14
  Speaker 13: step back from being critical of the government in not
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: getting that balance right when it comes to migration and infrastructure,
• 34:22
  Speaker 13: particularly with respect to housing.
• 34:25
  Speaker 11: Last question, gods did the Senator try to convince you
• 34:27
  Speaker 11: that she should stay.
• 34:29
  Speaker 13: As I said, I don't divulge private conversations, but today
• 34:33
  Speaker 13: I advised the Senator of the decision that I had
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: made critically that confidence in the leadership of the Liberal Party,
• 34:42
  Speaker 13: and that's my leadership, is required for anyone to serve
• 34:46
  Speaker 13: in my shadow ministry.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Thank you, all right.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: There was a handle of questions answered there by Susan
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Lee at the end of that press conference, confirming what
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: we relate to you at the top of the show
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: that just Internampuju Proprice has now been dumped from the
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: shadow ministry from the Liberal Party front bench. I'll make
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a couple of comments there about some internal processes that
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: were raised by journalists there. It's not a requirement to
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: be a Liberal Party member of the party room to
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: express confidence in the leader. I mean, you have to
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: express confidence in the party.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: And its values.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: But there's no suggestion that just Internampijen Proprice will leave
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party room, which of course she joined after
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: the recent election. The leader has made this very much
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: about the comments that Price made this afternoon in wa
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: where she declined or failed to express confidence in Susan
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Lee's leadership. Now there will be a big job done
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: by Susan Lee's office and liberal moderates tonight to spin
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: this as being Susan Lee being tough about those comments
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: in relation to Indian migration. But I will make the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: point borne out by the evidence of the last week.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: At no pointo over the last seven days, and she
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: has been asked repeatedly, has Susan Lee said publicly at
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: any stage that Justina Navagin Price should apologize. Indeed, I
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: make the further point that it wasn't until Monday that
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee picked up the phone and spoke personally with
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: just Enterprise. As I said, I think this is the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: beginning of the end, not the end of a difficult
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: few days, and we'll see what plays out in coming weeks.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I will take a quick break and come back to
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: pull this all apart with the panel. Welcome back, let's
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: be in my panel. A lot to talk about now,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: isn't there. Senior fellow at the Menses Research Center, columnists
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: with The Australia, Nick Kator and Skyney's contributed to Jamie Rodgers, Well,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I want to start if I can Nicata with just
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: In Navajeper Price being dumped just now, as we've heard
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: from Susan Lee, and I guess I'll start with revisionism
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: that's happening already about what Justinenterprice said, immigrations too high.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Statement of fact, Indian migrants are large cohort in terms
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: of that increase. It's a fact they've increased, they've doubled
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: in fact in the last ten years. Incorrect was her
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: comments to say labor are only bringing in this cohort,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: this Indian migrant cohort, because they vote for labor. Well,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: that parts wrong, except I suppose those comments from Cosamarus
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: who says at the last election eighty five percent of
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: them voted labor. Now it's a range of reasons for that,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and I think the limbs do not do enough. They
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: are absolutely on paper liberal thought of aspirational, small business,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: pro family voters. But this is quickly becoming something I
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: think whereiner Price is being held to account in the
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: public domain for a sense that she may have vilified
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Indian micro but that's not what she said, and that's
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: not the facts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's exactly right, Peter, and we have to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: be clear about that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Fact is that as the facts that as she spoke them,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: were correct. Forty percent of migrants last year roughly came
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: from the Indian subconfident. But I mean, I've got no
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: problem with that, particularly the problem that we have as
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: liberals and the country, the problem the country has if
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: there are too many migrants, full stop. The Day one
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: story should have been about the advisability of just enterprise
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: going into that particular territory and naming one particular cohort.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: But the Day two, three, four, five, six, maybe seven story,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: it's all about Susan Lee's leadership.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid to say.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: And that's we know where that's come to.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Today, Jamie.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: You know, we saw this with the work from home
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: issue in the election campaign. I know you're a candidate
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: and the campaign, and as justifiable as it should be
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: to have a debate in this country about getting workers
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: back into the office for all the reasons we've talked about,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: that was then walked away rapidly from the coalition because
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: they got caught up even though they were talking about
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: public servants, they get caught up in a generalized debate
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: about the private sector workforce and they couldn't deal with
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: the nuance in the campaign, so they dropped it in
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: around a mile. What's the fear here that after this frakka,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party will drop any discussion about immigration when
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: we know, you know, my viewers know it's one of
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: the big issues that Australians want a debate about.
• 39:38
  Speaker 14: You're absolutely spot on there, Peter. That was one of
• 39:41
  Speaker 14: my first thoughts when all of this was unraveling throughout
• 39:44
  Speaker 14: the week was that the Liberals would be running away
• 39:46
  Speaker 14: from any form of a discussion or a debate regarding
• 39:49
  Speaker 14: this mass immigration, which is what just inter Nama jimber
• 39:52
  Speaker 14: Price was trying to get across and as she said,
• 39:55
  Speaker 14: her message was a bit clumsy on the ABC. But
• 39:58
  Speaker 14: we have to make sure that the Liberals get back
• 40:00
  Speaker 14: together now. I've got to say, Peter, it's been quite
• 40:03
  Speaker 14: distressing to see that the Liberals were back in the
• 40:05
  Speaker 14: news for the wrong reasons, where they're doing in fighting
• 40:08
  Speaker 14: against each other instead of actually going and holding labor
• 40:11
  Speaker 14: to account. We need a strong opposition government because this
• 40:14
  Speaker 14: government is woeful and if they're not strong in the opposition,
• 40:18
  Speaker 14: they're not going to be calling out the issues. Anthony
• 40:20
  Speaker 14: Alberanezi and Jim Chalmers will be loving watching what's been
• 40:23
  Speaker 14: unfolding with the Liberal Party in this past week.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: So I'm with you.
• 40:26
  Speaker 14: I really hope that this now doesn't scare off the
• 40:28
  Speaker 14: Liberals and that they don't now talk about mass immigration,
• 40:31
  Speaker 14: because it is a huge concern and it comes up
• 40:34
  Speaker 14: all the time across all different communities. People are genuinely
• 40:37
  Speaker 14: concerned that our infrastructure and our way of life is
• 40:40
  Speaker 14: at risk here with the amount of people coming into
• 40:42
  Speaker 14: the country.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And I have to say, Nick, and I've work for
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: three Liberal leaders. If you're in the job, if you're
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: in the big seat, if you've got the job of
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: leader of the Liberal Party, you've got to have the backbone,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: the courage. Indeed, if you think your colleagues out of line,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: is to pick up the bloody phone, call your colleague
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: quickly as you possibly can and resolve the issue. And ordinarily,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: if you are the leader, it's your colleague who backs down,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: and if you want them to apologize or do whatever
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: ever in terms of reframing some remarks, you deal with
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: that swiftly and you move on. I think part of
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the reason there's been a bleed here is at no time,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: as Susan Lee publicly said, she wants an apology I
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: know that she did not speak to Price until Monday,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: So that's four or five days with no speaks, which
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I find extraordinary. But that's worse of all, and this
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: is a problem inside the Liberal Party. The bobber boy
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: goes out, the bobber boy rings the colleague, and the
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: bobber boy or someone on their behalf briefs the media.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: This is the big problem the Liberal Party has got
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to contend with.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I don't know if she sent out an
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: attack dog on this, I mean that sort of stuff,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: But you're dead right. It is the leader's job to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: deal with this and deal with it swiftly. But I
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: think Susan Lee's real difficulty on this piece is plumbing.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: You hinted at earlier in the program that she should
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: have been able to say to this enterprise, you have
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: departed from the party's position. Therefore you've got to correct
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: what you said. But she doesn't actually have a position
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: to correct her on. There is no party policy as
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: regards immigration right now, because everything is up in the
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: air for the next nine months or so. That is
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: impossible to run a decent opposition on that basis. We
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: need a position on immigration. I see that the line
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: is very clear. It needs to be carefully worded, carefully
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: thought through because it's the very sensitive area. Leaves a
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: lot of reasons places where labor and other pro immigration
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: people can create mischief. But there isn't they should be
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: they should have had in place by now, and that
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: should simply be there are too many migrants.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Well, let's go to some other issues, but not unrelated,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: and this is about the debate Australians wannahair a desperate
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: to have about a whole range of issues. And if
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: it's not the party censoring itself, it's the risk of
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: that big tech is censoring the debate online. And Jamie,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. You're at the hot set here.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: You are at the point to end of the ramifications.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I guess about how powerful some of these offshore tech
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: giants are. You've got a highly successful podcast, good for
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: you but bad for TikTok. I suppose has been going
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: getting busters. You've got under their attention and they stepped
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: in and banned your account. Now, before we get into wine,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: what's happened in the last few hours, let's have a
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: look at the most recent post.
• 43:38
  Speaker 14: Peter Dutton just wanted to see what the vetting process
• 43:41
  Speaker 14: was like.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Absolutionly that we weren't.
• 43:43
  Speaker 14: Bringing that hatred and those HAMA sympathizers into Australia, and
• 43:47
  Speaker 14: we saw Dali Steggles stood up and called him a racist.
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: Stop being later the opposition well it was an offensive
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: and unparliamentary market.
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: It should be withdrawn.
• 43:56
  Speaker 14: Now a name like that that sticks.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 44:01
  Speaker 14: Feel us in Jamie, Well, Jamie and I both decided
• 44:06
  Speaker 14: throughout the federal campaign we just were seeing how our
• 44:10
  Speaker 14: age demographic were quite disengaged with in politics. So that's
• 44:13
  Speaker 14: the story behind why this podcast was formulated. That episode
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: that you just showed was about identity politics and how
• 44:20
  Speaker 14: names they stick, and we just use the example of
• 44:23
  Speaker 14: Zalie Stegle calling Peter Dutton a racist, which we did
• 44:26
  Speaker 14: pop up numerous times throughout the campaign. But also in
• 44:30
  Speaker 14: that same episode, we said that you can't always trust
• 44:32
  Speaker 14: everything that you read online and that people are reading
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: a headline on social media and that's what they're then
• 44:37
  Speaker 14: going with instead of actually reading through the rest of
• 44:40
  Speaker 14: the information or TikTok banned us off the back of
• 44:43
  Speaker 14: that video and we did submit an appeal to try
• 44:46
  Speaker 14: and get the account back and that was then declined.
• 44:49
  Speaker 14: We then asked him if we could please just remove
• 44:51
  Speaker 14: that video and they said that was also declined because
• 44:55
  Speaker 14: we've breached community standards. Now, why I feel like this
• 44:58
  Speaker 14: is so important, Peter, is there's so many left leaning
• 45:01
  Speaker 14: accounts out in the social media world that get away
• 45:04
  Speaker 14: with so much, and I really feel as though we
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: are not having the ability to have a debate in
• 45:09
  Speaker 14: this country anymore. And if you don't like someone's opinion
• 45:12
  Speaker 14: or someone's view, you're automatically called a name, or in
• 45:15
  Speaker 14: our case, we were silenced. And the only reason why
• 45:19
  Speaker 14: I think our account was brought back to life only
• 45:22
  Speaker 14: within the past hour was because we had some media
• 45:25
  Speaker 14: around it. Yesterday it was on TGB with Mike Levy
• 45:28
  Speaker 14: and with yourself promoting it as well. But this has
• 45:31
  Speaker 14: been two weeks in the making, so it's only because
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: of some of the uproar that's happened. But it just
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: shows how easy it is to be silenced if people
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: don't agree with your opinion.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Good on you, absolutely God on you. And I'm please
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: just say that account is back online. So for Jamie's podcast,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: enjoy it, share it, get the voices out there, because
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: we don't have enough conservative voices or people prepared to
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: take the left on and get to a whole new
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: market conservative voters. But good on you, Thank you Nick,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: thank you Jamie. Just a bit of good news, my
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: not good news at Michael O'Brian's pulling the pin at
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: state Victorian liberal politics. Were good news that someone's putting
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: her hand up. Who is fantastic Lana Kolaris. You remember her,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: the barrister who stood up about the Voice and the
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: decision by the Victorian Bar Council to endorse the Voice.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: She said, that's a non about her for the bar council.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: That should be for Victorian voters. She is a warrior.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I spoke to her a couple of days ago and
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: she's interested in running. And I can tell you she
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: will run pre selection for Malvin. Because the rules she
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: can't talk to us, but I wish her all the
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: very best. God, we need some spine in Victorian Parliament,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: all right, quick break out the break Kel Richards, Michael
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: back joining me as he does. And we need it tonight,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: don't we. For a bit of light relief and a
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: bit of information. We might all learn something from the
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: wonderful Kel Richards who joins me now every Wednesday, pretty
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: apropos tonight, John, one of our dear viewers, wants to
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: know the deal. A friend called the president government a
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: bunch of deals. I think the Parliament could have that
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: whole term. He is interesting to know where the word
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: dial comes from.
• 47:15
  Speaker 12: It's an Australian coinage, one of our inventions, first recorded
• 47:18
  Speaker 12: nineteen thirty three, and it was a contraction of an
• 47:20
  Speaker 12: earlier word dilly diwly Now dilly itself is a portmanteau
• 47:25
  Speaker 12: word which daft and silly put together. You put daft
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: and silly together, you get dilly. That's recorded in Australia
• 47:32
  Speaker 12: about nineteen ten, and then from nineteen thirty three it
• 47:35
  Speaker 12: becomes we abbreviate everything, it becomes dial.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I love it, I love it now? Is this another
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: indigenous one? Jim wants to know Banana Republic? You and
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I probably remember it being used by Paul Keating.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Is that where it came from?
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: No?
• 47:53
  Speaker 12: No, Paul, could he be back in nineteen eighty six?
• 47:55
  Speaker 12: He was able to say it because it already existed.
• 47:58
  Speaker 12: In fact, it's recorded around eighteen ninety something or other
• 48:01
  Speaker 12: in the New Orleans newspapers. The first time it turns up,
• 48:04
  Speaker 12: and it's an American derogatory expression describing a small country
• 48:08
  Speaker 12: which is political politically unstable because it only has one
• 48:13
  Speaker 12: major export commodity. And they used to use it as
• 48:16
  Speaker 12: an offensive expression to describe various Central and South American nations.
• 48:21
  Speaker 12: And Paul Keating just found it useful to warn us
• 48:24
  Speaker 12: we were heading in that direction.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Right narrowly wants to know about the origin of the
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: expression cold shoulder is I give someone the cold shoulder first?
• 48:35
  Speaker 12: First turns up in one of Sir Walter Scott's novels,
• 48:38
  Speaker 12: and Scott might have coined it, and it's clear in
• 48:40
  Speaker 12: the novel what he means is the gesture of turning
• 48:43
  Speaker 12: a shoulder to indicate indifference or dislike or whatever. That's
• 48:46
  Speaker 12: all it is. There is a myth that it's got
• 48:49
  Speaker 12: something to do with serving unwanted guess coal meat cold
• 48:52
  Speaker 12: shoulder of mutton, But the Oxford Dictionary, my authority, says no, No,
• 48:56
  Speaker 12: that's a bit of folk etymology. Don't trust that it's
• 48:59
  Speaker 12: just this stuff.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: All right, I don't think I've got time for one more.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: But can you.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Tell my dear viewers where they go to give us
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: words for next week?
• 49:08
  Speaker 12: Kel huh. We'll look at any of the words that
• 49:12
  Speaker 12: are still on the list for next week. Jay Walk
• 49:14
  Speaker 12: writing roughshod. That's an interesting story.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I don't where should I go to send in more
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: words for us?
• 49:19
  Speaker 12: Oh, more of them Oswards Ozedwards dot com, dot au,
• 49:22
  Speaker 12: Ozedwards dot com dot A. You love to hear from you.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: All right, we'll leave it there. Up next, that's it,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Up next. James YC. Ferson with The Bob Report.