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Welcome to the surprise episode 600. Here we are with our We're going to be
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loud. We're going to be proud. No, we're not going to be proud. Proud is not a
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good thing to be. We're going to be loud. We're going to be all on. We've
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got lots of things for you. Boys and we're proud. We've got nothing planned.
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I just came out very strong. You can see from that loud. I'm in a hotel. People
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get mad at me. And don't be that proud either, Matt. Just don't just be
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confident. Yeah, good point. Yeah, there's some things that you're allowed
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to be proud of and there's other things that it's I don't The word proud just
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proud just the word just seems to be tarnished these days.
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By boys. Yes. I mean, it always has been tarnished by
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boys, hasn't it? If someone's going to tarnish that word, boys tarnish a lot of
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stuff, proud or otherwise. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Jane Austin knew it when she wrote
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Pride and Prejudice, which I assume was about Proud Boys.
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Proud Boys and Prejudice.
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Welcome to Multiple Nerdgasm with your
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hosts Matt, Luke, and Dan. Multiple
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Nerdgasm, your guide to all
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things nerdy.
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Well, maybe you can help me actually. Um, Luke, if you don't have anything for
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an open, I'd like to I'd like to open with a new segment that I like to call
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Dan gets real time tech support live on air, right? Oh, so maybe you can help me
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with something. I use the Apple AirPods, right? So, automatically I'm [ __ ]
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out. I'm out. Yeah, I'm dumb. Um, lately they just keep stopping. They just stop.
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They stop. Right. How old are they? Okay, so here's the thing. They're not
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that old. Okay, but I have a spare pair. So, I just switched and I linked those
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instead and they started stopping and so I thought, huh, must be my phone doing
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something watching a movie last night on my
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MacBook. Mhm. It was stopping on there, too. What is going on? Something in my
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house is interrupting the Bluetooth signal. Now, now I do have a question. When you say
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stopping, no, go, go, go. I was just going to ask, is it only you having this
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problem? Seems to be, but I'm the only one who wears Bluetooth headphones, so
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it's not unusual. Yeah. When you say they stop, do you mean they disconnect?
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Cuz when they disconnect, they make a noise. They go boom boom. They do.
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Sometimes Sometimes it does that sound and sometimes it just stops and I don't
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notice that sound. But would be I've had suggest one thing.
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Go on. No, no, you go first. My suggestion was just be careful because I
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do have sets as well and sometimes the set I'm wearing will disconnect to
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connect to the pair I'm not wearing. I've had that happen. Yeah. So, AirPods
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have this feature where they will automatically switch to whatever it
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thinks you're looking at. I don't know if you It's It's a good feature most of
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the time, but maybe that's [ __ ] up where it thinks I'm So, it's it's actually when
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I'm trying to listen to a podcast, it thinks I want my computer on. Yeah. So,
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you can turn that off. Uh, but you've got to do it on every device,
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unfortunately. So, you've got to go into the settings and say automatically
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connect to this. I forget what it's called. Automatically connect to this
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when you think I'm using it. Just turn that off and make it manual. That's what
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I do because I found it would just I'd be on listening to something and I go,
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I'll do something on the computer and then go, oh, computer, huh? I'm [ __ ]
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in the middle of something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would happen in the reverse
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more often, I would think, too. When you're like on your computer, oh, I just
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get something on my phone. And it's like, oh, we're doing phones. Yeah, I
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can see it being a good feature, but I can also see it being very annoying.
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Like, it's a feature works most of the time. Yeah.
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But the times it doesn't work, it's like [ __ ] paper cuts. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.
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Yeah. Tech designers around a table going, "You know what would be great is
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if your headphones just always knew what you were doing and just switched
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accordingly." Yeah. Great. Great. Write that down. Write that down. And someone
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will have to make that happen. I I reckon it's going to get better though.
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I reckon it will get better. Yeah. Specifically, I turned it off because,
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and I don't know why, um when I would mow the lawn and I'd be listening to a
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podcast or an audio book or something, when I would get near my office, it
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would connect to my laptop. Oh. And then funny like Yeah. You're trying to listen
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to music or whatever you listen to mowing the lawn and then it would go n
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office work time. I'm now connected to your laptop. Yeah. So, I just turned
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that feature off. M yeah. And then you heard the Zoom call that you were meant
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to be in while you were out on the lawn. That's right. I didn't my boss to hit
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the lawn. I go for a walk anytime I've got a Zoom call that I don't have to
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participate in. I just put the leash on Charlie and I'm like, we're going I
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going to listen along. No one's going to ask any questions. I've got a lot of
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toys on my desk. You got a lot of what?
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Office boy. Yes. Just office boy. Proud office boy.
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an office of proud boys. I'm going to apologize now for my audio, which is I
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can't hear it, but it's probably not that great. And also, they're probably
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delayed cuz I'm on hotel Wi-Fi. Mhm. So, listeners, it's not as bad as you might.
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Okay. If I'm talking over somebody, I apologize. And I've done that to Luke several
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times. And Ironically, you did it while you were explaining it.
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We'll get better at this one day. It's only 600 episodes. We still haven't
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learned how to handle that, but one day. Give me hand signals.
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Just raise your hand if you want to speak. Does that mean you're slightly in
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the past or slightly in the future of us right now? I'm in the past. In sync. Okay.
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One, two. No one's counting with me. Four. Forget it. I was waiting till you
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got to three and then I thought we were all going to go surprise or something.
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Oh, I remember when we tried to sing happy birthday once.
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And that was the most painful thing we've ever done. Happy birthday is a painful song.
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Anyway, has anyone worked out what you meant to do while people are singing it
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at you? You know, you're meant to feel awkward because you don't really want it to happen.
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[Music] Yeah. Matt, you mentioned you were on holiday. Um, I know where you are
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obviously. Um, the listeners don't, but I would like you to tell us. like we
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don't know, but then tell us about the thing that we know you're at. Yes. Okay.
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Uh I'm in New Jersey at the moment. I'm in Aspbury Park actually. Um and I'm
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going to uh VCF East, Vintage Computer Federation East. And uh we've had a
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Federation. That's uh that sounds very, doesn't it? I think I usually say fairated
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fair computers. But that explains what I'm doing better I think than vintage
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computer federation like cuz it's it's like a it's basically I did you know I
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did it last year listeners may remember uh sorry witnesses may remember witnesses
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um it's retro computer stuff. So there's
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um there's a big consignment room you can sell all your old stuff that opens
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today. It wasn't open yesterday. It's a Saturday for the record. Um, and uh
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talks by uh some I think interesting people. [ __ ] nerdy stuff though. So
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like very technical schematics up on the [ __ ] projector
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like you got to want to be you got to be interested to it's not like not like
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where it's like Yeah. I joined an online um vintage computer group at one stage
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and left because I was like oh this is this is way out nerding me. Yeah. Yeah,
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like you listen to listen to talks on people of like who who invented, you
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know, ways to do [ __ ] HDMI output conversion. So that Yeah. And I'm like,
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okay, okay, that's that's how it works. I don't need to
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know. The first talk I went to yesterday was about the sound Commodore sound like
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various types of sound on Commodore computers. The first one being the pet
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and then it was literally schematics like so this pin out controls you know
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the beeping sound if you wanted it to be able to do music you have to hook up
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this this card on the back and this these pins went here and this and that
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and like I think it's interesting but I can completely understand why someone
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might not think that's very yeah I find it very amazing what they've
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done with it but going to that level of detail I'm out but I'm those early
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computers just specifically talking about audio that don't have like sound
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cards. They don't have even speakers at some point. It's just like
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components making noises that they managed to trick into being the
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soundtrack for a game. The theme of this year is the the sound of retro. So, it's
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all most talks are kind of geared around that. And there was a guy yesterday who
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he's a game developer. He worked on Nintendo Entertainment
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System, Game Boy, uh Atari games. this really interesting talk just hearing
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about the start. Exactly. And and then he had like photos of what it was like
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and it's literally like if you were a kid like us in that during that period
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what you thought making video games was like he was at home with a [ __ ] Atari
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ST hooked up to this Nintendo dev kit that they've sent him and he's
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contracted by these companies to just make video games. He he was living the
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dream. Yeah. Right. a fascinating talk and he showed like these uh die shots of
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the CPUs for one was for an Atari and one's for the Nintendo Entertainment
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System and he pointed out really interestingly same CPU like the
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internals but the Nintendo has um all this extra stuff around it like like
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it's like I guess four times the size and he said that's all audio. Oh wow.
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Because the Atari's had really bad Yeah. like audio and then and then one of the
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things that City Things contributed a lot to the Nintendo system is that you
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just had this good music. It could play all the time. It wasn't like a
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afterthought. It had dedicated hardware for it. [ __ ] interesting. Never even
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thought of that before. And that's that's really interesting. But even I
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remember like like big games like the main Atari like the big games they were
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only done by one or two people. It wasn't like you had a team working on
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them. I remember because you hear the story of ET which is what they say sort
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of killed the guy just came off making he got laid off around the time that
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happened incidentally like a lot of people wasn't he didn't have a lot of
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money a guy came on he just finished making something I got hey we need you
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to make it and you've got like two or three weeks away you go type of thing
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and it was just one guy who had to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Well my one of my
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favorite games almost quit the game industry. Yes. Yeah. Flashback. You guys are aware of
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Flashback, right? From Delphine. So, Deline had Yes. One of certainly one of
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my favorites, but Delphine had this uh license property for the Godfather,
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right? Oh, yeah. Um and they were going to make a the Godfather game and
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somewhere along the way just the [ __ ] nerds at Deline were like, "What about
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we do Godfather like [ __ ] in the future and shit?" And they were like,
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"Yeah." And they just [ __ ] ran with it. And then when the guys from the
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studio from like Paramount came in, they were like here is what it is. They were
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like this looks nothing like that took it away, gave it to Ocean to US gold or
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one of those, you know, property do whatever you want. And they were like,
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ah, should we just rename it anyway? Release
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it. That was that was the game. Well, that's what I'm starting to see.
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Like um I was reading um I've seen some interviews lately like people from
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Bethesda and stuff and they're going like the reason why like Starfield
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didn't do that well is they don't have that freedom that they once did that was
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very big at Bethesda like a lot of the cities and stuff that were built for
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were just people doing a side project cuz they loved it. Now it's really is
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much more of a business crunch get it out. People aren't going off and
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spending extra time because all they're doing is working on doing their part to
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get the game out. They're not getting that enjoyment part out of it, which is
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sad. If you're wondering if that crunch was a thing back then, yeah, he said
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that when it got to close to he said deliver a game had to be delivered ready
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for Christmas, which meant you had to finish them you ideally in July, right?
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And when it would get to that deadline, he said you would work from, in their
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case, like noon to like 3:00 a.m. And everybody everybody did it. And people
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think, oh, did did every everybody contributed. The artists were doing
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programming at that point. Everybody was just [ __ ] we got to get this [ __ ]
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thing done. I also think it would have been harder back then because there's no
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second chance like you have now. Now the day one patches Yeah. whatever went out.
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And that's why sometimes you see a game where there's like placeholder images or
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something in there. It's just we'll come back to this and they never do. Yeah.
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Yeah. Just you remind this is a rat hole, but um when you said that everyone
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everyone was was doing the crunch. It just reminded me of a story I heard this
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week. Um I think it was on another podcast, but I can't remember which one,
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but it was about um when Kennedy visited the space center. I guess the one that's
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now called Kennedy Space Center, right? but wasn't wouldn't have been then um
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and was just meeting everyone and shaking their hands and he met the
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janitor but he didn't know he was the janitor just there was a man standing
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there and he put his hand to shake his hand and said what do you do here and
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the janitor said well trying to put a man on the moon you know and it's just
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like everyone who worked there felt like that's what their job was no matter what
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part of it you were doing he just didn't want to say
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yeah well I just cleaned there's a clog in the toilet
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or more likely no one said that and that was just a great story that someone made
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up somewhere. I mean it is a good story. Yeah. But no, I think the crunch back
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then I think may have been different to what it is now. I think crunch less uh
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exploitative. Well, crunch I don't know. Yeah. Would have been I think fun back
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then. I know it may not have been, but it just sounds like everyone was there
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together working on this like to try and get the goal. I've done overnight edits
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and stuff like the night before something goes to broadcast and it's
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grueling but it's really fun like you remember those nights with great stories
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and stuff but it's not you know 3 months worth of an employer just expecting you
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to be at work 24/7. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you know I
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don't think the crush we've got now is anywhere near the same as what we do
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have. Although but Matt I do want to know uh have you bought anything yet?
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Uh, no. I bought the the the the t-shirt for this year. That's about it so far.
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So, a lot of the vendors and stuff don't open until today. So, Friday is kind of
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like uh more limited stuff. Like the talks are on, but a lot of the stuff's
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not ready yet. It's super nerd day, correct? Today is Oh, you mean Friday?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Fun and games from now, I guess. Yep. So,
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I'll head over after this. Um, one thing he mentioned he ported a bunch of games
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including um arcade game called Crossbow and some other stuff and Frogger. He did
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Frogger for the Sega Genesis, right? And he was telling saying every time he was
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telling stories about Genesis. Yeah. Yeah. It was like the last Genesis game.
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Mhm. Apparently. Wow. And he was saying for for Crossbow he and his his his I
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guess co-workers had to take a video camera and film the arcade game and then
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make the game from it. And then for Frogger, he said they um were given a
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you know the the like the ROM of Frogger and the Genesis version Frogger actually
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had the arcade ROM in it and he just references the art that's in the kind of
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stuff and then afterwards somebody said any questions? Someone said, "Yeah, when
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you were asked to port a game, did they ever actually give you the code or
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design documents or or any of that kind of stuff?" And he was like literally
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never. Never. They just gave me the game. You know that game, make it for
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us. Yeah. And they had to play it and get good at it enough to see what level came
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next to make that. Yeah. They had to film the arcade machine and they said
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they basically just hours and hours and hours until they he said you had to make
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sure you've seen everything that the game can do and then you got to
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replicate it. Incredible. Yeah. Weird. Yeah. You really think like cuz we've
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got this game, we already have all the information and we want you to make a
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copy of it. Why don't we give you the information? Never worked that way. You
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would think that they would have it. Yeah. But even not just ports, like
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ports, you would think that makes perfect sense. But what what used to
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blow my mind were when completely different developers were making a
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Jurassic Park game for Genesis, Nintendo, DOSs, Amigga, Alien 3 is an
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example. Alien 3. Yeah. M and actually 3 is a funny one because I prefer the
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gameplay on the Mega Drive, but I prefer the look of the Super Nintendo one. Yep.
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So, if they could put them together, you'd have a perfect game. Just join.
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Yeah. Just work it out what the best game as well. Jurassic Park on Nintendo
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was completely different to Jurassic Park on Sega. But yeah, it's sort of
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it's making sense in my head now though because back then there were the console
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wars. So, you weren't going to share between. Oh yeah. Nothing was it? Yeah.
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If you make a game for one, it's not going to work on the other one. No. Like
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now that's an issue. But art assets, you could have one creative director
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designing art assets, you know. You could have one level designer. Yes.
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You'd still have to have two different programming teams, but yeah, different
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dev kits and everything. Yeah. What a time. Yeah, that's what I'm doing
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here. There'll be more today and tomorrow. I will report back with some
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more next week, I guess. And show us what you purchase. I want to know what
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you buy. I know you're going to buy something. I'll buy something. I'm probably I can't
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buy too much. You're going to try not too much. Yeah. The consignment area is
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like twice the size this year. I've seen where it is. I just haven't seen what's
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in there. But Oh, you will. It's going to be dangerous. You mentioned the PET,
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Commodore PET before, and that is my favorite computer from a design point of
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view, right? I just love the design of there's been no computer before or since
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that was so aesthetically pleasing to my eyes than Pet and I I'm pretty sure that
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when they were making uh Severance and they were designing those retro future
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computers that they had a pet as a reference, right? Cuz it's that kind of
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strange UFO shape, right? Severance. Yes.
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20 minutes north of me. Yeah. is the office building. Oh, the building. Oh,
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so I will be going there today. Yes. Great. To take some photos.
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Would they let you in the lift? Go in the lift. Go up there. Assuming I won't be allowed
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to go inside at all. Yeah. But I would have the exterior like the building that
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they Yeah. Very cool looking building.
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Um, so, uh, I learned a fact about severance that I think is is is funny
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and and interesting and good. Uh, but no one would ever notice this, but I just
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like that they pay this level of detail. Did you know that the things shot in the
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severance building are shot on digital video and the things shot in the real
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world are shot on film? So, one has a more realistic character, one has a very
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stark character, except in the last
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episode where Hel and Mar are running
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through the corridors for their own freedom, that is shot on film because
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for them that is their real world. Yeah,
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I didn't know that. I noticed the one I think you said it was directed by the
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cinematographer. The one that had a lot of incredibly
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Yeah. like different mediums and I noticed it a lot there. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
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Yeah. They really lent into it, didn't they? Especially the flashbacks with him
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and the wife looked like they were shot on 8 mil or something. Yeah. Exactly.
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Yeah. More noticeable than beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Ah, severance. But I've I've been
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thinking that do you remember ages ago um uh what's Perifractic's wife's name?
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Lady Fractic. Lady Fractic. Um I mean that's not her name, but that's what we
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know her as. That's right. Yeah. I don't know her. I literally don't know her
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real name. I don't think I recall what her real name is. I don't. But um I
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don't recall hers. She I She may not have ever She may not want us to know.
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I'm sure she doesn't want us to know. I mean, she's an actress. Yeah. I'm sure
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we could find out. Not in a weird way, but you could find out if you really
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wanted to. I'm sure. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I'm also thinking you could
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find out where she We've We've made this weird for some
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reason. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't It's really not. Anyway, all I was going to
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say was there was an episode where she and Jose Oh, that's a joke from our fan.
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Never mind. Yeah. Yeah. No, better as a nonsequiter. There's an episode where
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they make this
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um they 3D print this retro housing for
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a Raspberry Pi and um put an LCD screen and and and put retro pie on it. Yeah,
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I've seen that one, I think. Yeah. And I watched it at the time. I went, "Oh,
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cool. That'll be fun to make." And this whole season of of uh severance, I've
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been like, I [ __ ] want a retro computer in my house, but I don't
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necessarily just want like an Atari ST or something that it's like, okay, this
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is my thing and I can now only, you know, I've got to be obsessed with this
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one particular video. I've got a dedicated desk to this thing. But if I
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had something like that and just I could just play all my retro games on it. I've
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been I mean, I don't have a 3D printer, but I'm sure I could I'm sure I could
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get someone to print it for me. Anyway, it's companies that would do it. I don't
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know how expensive it is. Yeah, I I suspect probably quite expensive. You
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could probably get one 3D printed with some tits on Etsy as we discovered last
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week in the after party. True. Very true.
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You can definitely get from Etsy 3D printed housing just for the retro
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pies, just for the Raspberry Pies, but that are the size of a circuit board,
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right? But that's not what I want. I want something with a screen.
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We'll see. Well, speaking of games, some big news
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this week. Switch 2's here, baby. Dune. Switch two.
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Luke's unimpressed. Yeah, it's lovely looking piece of machinery. Oh, it looks
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so good. 10 times more powerful than the existing Switch. I do have to ask, how
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does that compare to an Xbox? An actual console. Yeah. Well, I mean, they don't
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really Yeah. So, I mean, I think they're doing
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their own thing numbers. It almost doesn't matter though because the the
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the cloud games like the Skyrim, the
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Resident Evils that I was playing, uh I can't remember what else I was playing
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that was cloud. I think Skyrim runs on the device, doesn't it? Actually, Skyrim
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does run on the device and it looks [ __ ] incredible. It looks way better
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than it should be. And again, it's a 15-y old game, but the Resident Evil 7
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and 8 that I played on it [ __ ] just look as good. The the thing that was
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with the with the Switch, I'm not really going for like graphics that I want on
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something else. That's not the type of game that you want. Maybe you can now
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like that we didn't because that was a limitation before. Honestly though, even
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with the consoles we got to, remember even when the Series X was coming, I
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wasn't really concerned about graphics by that stage. I was just I'm looking
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forward to faster loading times, frame rate, and I know we've talked about
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this. I like higher frame rate. This does up to 120 frames a second on the on
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the device. Like that's higher than I can get with my Xbox on the TV. So yeah,
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it's only going to be 700 here. I didn't think I cared about frame rate until
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Starfield was like a [ __ ] at 24 and it was like not enough. It's not enough. I
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think they patched that but uh I don't know I haven't gone back to it. So
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neither haven't seen it. And in fact I'll take a quick segre but I do want
24:52
there's lots more switches but I'll just quickly say I I've quit another game
24:56
guys. So, a vowed I was into it for, you know, a week and then I'm not into it.
25:02
But I I I played quite a bit of uh of uh
25:06
Luke, what are we playing? Yeah, it's boring. I don't like how six hours. I
25:12
probably played four hours of it, but I'm not going to play it for another two
25:16
hours. Time to give up. The problem with that game is, and I actually I'm upset
25:21
about it, is because they've made so many different endings and so many
25:24
different story lines. It's you can't just go out and explore and experience a
25:29
lot because I I don't know what the story is. It's because there's too many stories
25:35
and they everyone's got a little story, but it's not the the what's the game
25:39
story? England is the story trying to escape governor. Yeah. But yeah, I like
25:45
that you can avoid combat except that it makes it boring because I'm like, well,
25:50
you know, I should I should have to fight some people occasionally. As I
25:54
said, I turn the difficulty down on that so quickly and cuz just like even when
26:00
you're exploring and trying to find things, not everything. It's not like
26:03
another game where you can search everything. It's only certain things you
26:06
can search and the stuff you were finding, you weren't finding a lot of it
26:10
at the normal setting. So, and bullets were very hard to come by and Oh, yeah.
26:16
And you I I don't know if you can get better guns down the track, but all the
26:20
guns I had, the the the shotgun, the rifle, and the handgun, all was single
26:25
shot and then reload. So, like if something attacked you, like if you
26:30
didn't kill them with one shot, you were dead. Because you can get better with
26:34
the as long as you're fighting humans, they're all headshot, one shot, they're
26:39
dead. the second you get to a monster. Yeah. You're panicking and you're just
26:43
firing all of your bullets and then you die. Yeah. So, I was desperate to find something
26:49
new and I was like, "Okay, well, I I did download and install Stalker 2 a couple
26:54
of weeks ago. I didn't really give that a good enough code." So, I played that
26:57
for a good hour or two last night. It's very good, but [ __ ] it's difficult. I
27:02
went back to the menu thinking I probably had it on normal and was going
27:05
to pop it down to easy and discovered it was already on easy.
27:09
It's just very challen It's dark. It's [ __ ] dark. That game is not your head
27:15
at all. And there seems to be [ __ ] monsters that you can't even see that'll
27:20
just come up behind you and kill you without you even knowing they were
27:23
there. Like it's very unfair. I'm going to play more, but I I I died like four
27:28
or five times in the same spot last night. It was like, "Fuck you. [ __ ]
27:32
you." Before we do get the Switch though, I can say I started playing a
27:35
new game today um South of Midnight.
27:39
Oh, the Louisiana one. Yes. So, it comes out to Game Pass this week.
27:45
I spent the 15 bucks to get the premium upgrade so I can play it now. I'm
27:49
actually quite enjoying it. It's not a difficult game. Like, the puzzles are
27:53
quite simple. The girl and then and the big fish, right? Yes. Big catfish. The
27:58
combat's sort of quite simple and the story is just nice and interesting. And
28:01
so I definitely recommend looks pretty good. Yeah, it comes out to Game Pass on the 9th.
28:07
Okay. So, you you started playing this already? Yes. How does it stack up to uh
28:14
Assassin's Creed? Because the other thing that I'm interested in playing is
28:18
that which I'll obviously have to purchase. Yes. Well, Assassin's Creed I
28:21
actually also finished this week. Okay.
28:26
Right. Um they they are very different games. You can't really compare them.
28:31
Um, fair enough. South of Midnight, I think, has a more there's a story that
28:36
you're enjoying throughout the entire game. Like there's there's stuff you're
28:39
finding, there's talking happening, there's stuff you find, you read.
28:42
Assassin's Creed very very big game. And sometimes you just get to point where
28:46
I'm running around killing people. So I think this is kind of what I want at the
28:50
moment. I think Yeah, it depends. Like this South of Midnight will be like a
28:53
very $110 though. I don't know. Oh, I got Ubisoft Plus.
29:00
Yeah, and I did consider just getting Ubisoft Plus until I was sick of the
29:04
game, but I may end up playing more than $110 by the end of it anyway. So, I
29:08
don't know. That's why I haven't done it. It's cuz it's going to take me two
29:11
years to finish it. Yes. And they'll release another one in that time.
29:16
Oh, what's next? I don't know what's actually next, but
29:20
but now we should get back to Switch because we did tease that quite a lot.
29:24
Speaking of the prices of games, we might as well come back to that first of
29:27
all. So, it's got some the games look very nice. They look uh, you know, more
29:30
impressive. I got to retract what I said about Metroid 4. Uh, the Switch version
29:35
does look very similar to the Metroid Prime version, which makes sense cuz
29:38
it's the same console on the Switch 2. They showed video of that and I was
29:41
like, "Oh, this looks like what I was expecting." Yeah, looks pretty nice.
29:44
Much more crispy and looks nice. Um, but
29:48
the games are 80 US, so I don't even know what that means for Australians.
29:55
I'm sort of looking at the prices of the games now and it's sort of like a bit of
29:58
a mixture. So, it depends what sort of game you're talking about cuz some of
30:01
them they're sort of starting at $104
30:04
now. 80 USD is 130 USD right now. Sorry,
30:10
130 USD. So, it might be it could be 130 bucks you pay for this. Cyberunk
30:14
Ultimate is going to be 114. I mean, like I was just talking about
30:18
not knowing if I wanted to pay 110 for Assassin's Creed, but I definitely don't
30:22
want to pay 130 for Mario Kart. Even though not even open world Mario
30:27
Kart, which looks [ __ ] great, it's still it's going to make me think twice
30:31
about it cuz it's like so much money. Mind you, the good thing about the
30:35
Switch, there's so many sales. I only ever browse through the the discounted
30:41
Switch library. Yeah, there's always stuff that I want
30:45
on sale. Yeah, you're better off
30:48
coming SD card for a Switch game. A micro SD card and then waiting for
30:55
sales. Yes. And they're just stocking up.
31:01
Yeah. They're looking at the price of buying
31:04
them like brand new in the case, which none of us actually do that anymore. No,
31:10
no. Let's be the price digitally as well.
31:16
Um, at launch though, you'll want them. That's the thing. Like Metroid Prime 4,
31:21
I'm going to want that. But that's probably worth 10 and something bucks.
31:25
Especially to you. Love Metroid, you know? So, like I don't know. We've all
31:28
got stuff we I don't have time though. Like the the like my time availability
31:34
has gone down and now the game prices are going up. So, it's kind of like the
31:37
math has changed a bit, you know? So now you got to get back a child. You're
31:42
going now you'll get back Yeah. You'll get back to the only one maybe two games
31:45
a year. Oh, that's a good point. It'll take you that long to play them and you
31:50
can't afford more than that. That's a good point. It's got a new button on it
31:55
that uh brings up the the chat friend interface, which looks really cool. like
32:01
it looks like you you can it pops up this thing and then you got your friends
32:07
there and they can be on video or just audio kind of like I guess Xbox Live
32:12
parties and or whatever PlayStation is the same thing. Have they fixed their
32:15
online though? Well, in what sense? Like cuz it they
32:21
must have done something because in order for you to have friends added I mean you stuffed
32:28
his friend codes on the Switch. I actually haven't done it on the Switch
32:31
at all. I think I haven't done it on Switch. But I remember last time I
32:35
remember people complaining that you had to like use your phone to have voice
32:38
chat with people. So, have they now fixed to do that anymore? Yeah. Yeah.
32:43
Yeah. No, no. It's all on the console. It's got uh a mic in it. It's got a
32:47
camera that you can set up. Um so,
32:52
it looks cool. Mhm. Yep. And they've included um game play based on the
32:58
camera and stuff like I guess kind of like the was the Xbox one um the
33:04
connect. Yeah. But I think it'll work better with
33:09
the with Nintendo especially with like their controllers as well. I think they
33:13
can integrate that a lot more. Oh yeah, they are mice. You can use the controllers as a
33:19
mouse on the side. That's cool. Yeah. Uh GameCube games coming. Um, in the retro
33:26
console thing, you could you could start Luigi's Mansion from the start again.
33:30
Yes, we played the first one finally. Uh, it's getting something that Luke's
33:34
wanted for a long time. Looks like we're getting that first on Switch, too. This
33:38
actually gives me a lot of hope, though. Cuz it finally means What do you mean it
33:44
shouldn't? Well, unless you buy the Switch, it doesn't mean it's coming to Xbox. Yeah,
33:49
you can get a Switch, too. This finally Final Fantasy 7 remake. We haven't said
33:53
what it is. which I've been dying to play, but I refuse to get a PlayStation for it cuz
33:58
I'll never play it. You know what we should do? It means that we should buy
34:01
one PlayStation and share it. We already Matt has one
34:06
cuz I also Well, okay. Well, then it's my turn, Matt. You said it because I
34:11
would like to play the [ __ ] Silent Hill 2 remake that I can't play on my
34:15
Xbox. Have you played that? Cuz if you've got a [ __ ] PS5 and you haven't
34:20
played that, what's wrong with you? The reason why until Luke reminded me
34:24
that I had one, I forgot. Yes, I don't play games in the lounge room
34:29
anymore. But no, the thing that excites me about this is it means that Sony
34:33
don't have the exclusive exclusive rights anymore. So, it means they might
34:37
be backing off on that a little bit cuz that's the only reason is Sony's just
34:42
been giving them more money to keep it exclusive. Yeah, cuz they're dicks.
34:48
Well, maybe they're like, "Well, the Nintendo is not a threat, so we'll let
34:52
them have it. Just let Luke play it."
34:57
No, I think that I think that is actually what they discussed. They're
35:00
like, "Do we want Luke to play this game?" And they were like, "No." Like,
35:03
they're getting like, "Fuck that guy." Cuz remember, they've broken it up into
35:07
bits. Like, they're up to the third part of it. And they haven't even released
35:10
the first one on Xbox. It's just mean. Yeah. And it was it was meant to be they said
35:16
at launch they said exclusive for a year but it's been a year. Yeah, I think so.
35:20
No, I don't think they never actually announced it at all. They didn't just
35:25
said that. Yeah, people said that and also at the same time that probably
35:28
added future to fire is remember Microsoft also accidentally let Sleeper
35:33
promo thing when they had it. That's right. Yeah, I think that upset them.
35:36
Yeah. Yes. And then they've just been stopping it ever since.
35:43
Well, that's that's a launch title. Okay. So, you're saying Yeah. You're
35:47
saying you won't get a Switch 2 despite that being one of your favorite games
35:51
and being exclusive to this console. The problem is is I won't play it cuz I
35:57
don't get achievements. I can't play it. I can't play games. So,
36:02
you'll be you'll be pre-ordering one, will you?
36:06
Well, apparently not. Because I live in
36:10
the United States of America. Mhm. And uh you mean the kingdom the kingdom of
36:16
America? Yeah. And our president has decided that I'm not allowed to
36:19
pre-order a message too because he's going to be they don't know how it's
36:23
going to be. They don't know how much to charge for it because uh yeah, we put
36:30
tariffing everything and uh a 40% tariff
36:34
or something on Japan. What? So, what's
36:38
Japan done to you? I mean, I'm not I'm not I'm obviously
36:45
I'm not a financial expert. I'm not a political expert. As I understand it,
36:49
the pitch for this is that these are reciprocal tariffs because apparently the rest of the
36:55
world's ripping us off. So now we're I I don't I don't Well, I mean, I've
37:02
heard that it's kind of I get it, but
37:06
I've heard that tariffs are a good tool
37:10
within a framework of crony capitalism
37:13
to give people tariff exemptions. if they do a little something for you.
37:20
Right. So, Japan, I'm not sure what you're suggesting there, Dan. Unless,
37:24
yeah, unless you suck America off.
37:29
Figure out a way to get Japan to suck America off because I got an email the
37:35
other day from um Steve Jackson Games, who you'll be familiar with, I assume,
37:39
from um Munchkin. And Oh, yes. I literally got an email from Steve
37:43
Jackson Games saying, "Guys, heads up. We're have we're going we will be
37:49
increasing our prices if this happens. And when I say increasing our prices, a
37:53
$20 game will be like 30 possibly $40.
37:56
Yeah. Based on what we're seeing because the the things that we get made in
38:02
China, in particular, China we got very big tariffs on. Um the dice, game
38:08
pieces, printing, that kind of stuff that it can't be done in America. No one
38:12
will do it. It makes no sense. Oh, there's no infrastructure for it. You'd
38:16
have to do them as like individual. Yeah, but that's what I'm even looking
38:19
at. And they're going to build the infrastructure for it. It's not building
38:22
consoles and stuff like with the Switch. It doesn't make financial sense for them
38:27
to set up different ones in different countries to make it. It's and it got me
38:31
thinking like it does raise interesting questions about like well why can China
38:35
do it so cheap? There's some not good reasons really to be honest because of
38:39
you know forced lab and all that kind of stuff. Don't kid yourself. That's the
38:43
reason Matt. What? Exactly. Like I'm not Yeah, that's not But it just got me
38:48
thinking about it. Trump is a real altruist. He's he's really taxing these
38:53
guys to make them accountable for Exactly. Yeah. But that's But the point
38:58
the the most important thing about all this is that Nintendo pre-orders for the US because
39:04
they don't know how much to charge us for it now. Yeah. So, it was going to be
39:09
500 bucks with Mario Kart. Now 500 US.
39:15
Okay. So what? Hold on. Because my maths doesn't Same price as my Xbox Series X.
39:19
Oh wow. So cuz I Yeah. Where you can get uh for 700. We can get the console by
39:25
itself. Yeah. I think it's $450 here with just the console. So which is
39:30
actually what I paid for my Series X technically cuz I did that thing through
39:34
Walmart that for some reason was $50 less. And what did you say it was for
39:38
us, Luke? 700. Uh $6.99. 700. Yeah. That's pretty comparable. That's pretty
39:44
comparable. I can't remember what I paid for my OLED switch.
39:48
I remember I paid I think it was 300 or 350. This doesn't have OLED. Just for
39:52
the record, this doesn't have OLED, which is interesting cuz it will have
39:57
worse battery and uh you know, less brightness like you know like the nice
40:03
blacks and whatnot. Oh, but I have found out how much it is for
40:08
the Mario bundle. $769 for the console and the game. Okay.
40:14
Right. I mean, that is cheaper than buying it and then buying $130 worth of
40:19
Mario on its own. So, that's Yeah, if you're ever going to get it, you
40:25
better get the bundle. But that doesn't or something, does it? You It's
40:31
not a Mario version of the No, I think it's just a And here's the annoying
40:35
thing. This is one of the things that you need to pre-order. Like you don't
40:38
need to pre-order much in the gaming world anymore, but a console is one of
40:42
them. I've expressed my interest in the pre-order, which is how they're doing
40:45
it, but now I just don't know when that's going to happen. I know in
40:49
Australia even putting EB games is putting it behind a payw wall. You have
40:53
to be an EB Plus member to even be able to pre-order it now. Really? To try and
40:58
make more money. Well, uh there's an article in here too
41:05
just about the tariffs and whatnot. it's going to affect um people are focusing
41:08
on the Switch too obviously because it's the biggest thing that was instantly
41:12
affected and people noticed it but the ESA has said the whole game industry
41:18
will be affected by this because there's just so many bits and pieces that go
41:23
into games like even people games like you guys would potentially be affected
41:29
by this because games get developed here and it's like change anywhere the knock
41:35
on effect will affect everyone. Yeah. So, yeah, to see what happens. Pretty
41:42
pretty nuts. Yeah.
41:47
Yeah. And the like I said the calculation for the tariffs is a little
41:53
bit a little bit it's like why why is it that number? I don't know that anybody
41:58
actually knows why officially started or is this all just talk still? Um I think
42:03
what's to be clear there's a big list of of specific tariffs but like everybody
42:08
is getting a 10%. Every anything not manu
42:13
and that and that's shut him down about
42:16
the government shut him down. All right. Well we have an election
42:22
coming up Luke but uh you and I thankfully are exempt from being
42:27
uh bipartisan. We we just support whatever government's
42:32
in power. Yep. Don't talk about it at all.
42:38
Um, are you getting handed flies in the streets? Cuz I can't I can't walk down
42:42
the street at the moment without getting handed off. I've had people knocking on
42:45
our doors and stuff and but I'll just go vote next week and get it out the way
42:48
and I'll be done. Yeah. All right. Wow. Matt's really gone. Oh,
42:53
no. He's back. Thought we thought that the heard shut you down. Yeah. Shut you
42:58
down. They heard me. Guess I'm doing a lot of damage just talking about this.
43:02
The annoying thing I've seen, Mr. Ham. The annoying thing about the tariffs
43:08
that I'm seeing is a lot of people don't actually understand them. I don't fully
43:12
understand them. I don't fully understand, but I know it means things
43:15
are going to cost more. And I've seen some people go, it's a deterrent. It
43:20
means right more than well so it it actually technically only affects
43:25
businesses in the US. What it means is if I want to buy something from
43:28
overseas, I have to pay a tax. It's a it's a tax, right? So So for example, I
43:35
think it's is it 30 something% on Japan? So if I want to buy a Switch 2, say I'm
43:39
GameStop, I want to import a Switch 2, just one for some reason. And then
43:44
Nintendo's like, for you that's 400 bucks. Well, now I've got to pay the
43:48
$400 and then when it gets here, I've also got to pay the government $400.
43:55
That's how it works. And it's I think it's supposed to be
44:01
incentivizing making I'll buy the American handheld.
44:07
The Switch 2 will not be made here. Yeah, we don't have the facilities to
44:10
do. I've seen some people go I've seen some people I've seen some business like
44:14
due to the tariffs we're not going to be able to stock this anymore and people go
44:17
oh you stupid you should just charge the extra 25% and you'll be making lots of
44:22
money so I was like no we don't make any
44:25
money and you're not going to pay any% point where you were paying the tariff
44:32
and recompensating us for it there is some confusion about cuz I know people
44:37
particularly at first were like well ch your China or Japan will be paying us a
44:41
bunch of money. It's like no, they're not paying anything. Yeah. They'll pay
44:46
in that they'll have less customers here supposedly. That's how they'll pay in a
44:52
sense. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's Yeah. It's way more complicated than than that.
44:58
Anyway, nothing to do about it. Those make those Make America Great hats
45:02
again. Maybe this is going to be more expensive. Maybe it's a great idea. Only
45:06
time will tell. Yeah. Yeah. You never
45:10
know. You hear that? It's a great idea.
45:13
Okay. Let me finish the show. Let you return from your trip to Mexico.
45:20
That's right. Yeah. Hey, I'm a citizen. I'm all good for
45:25
now. For now. They're only only stopping non-citizens from coming in.
45:32
Yeah. Unless you're a child, but your parents weren't. And
45:36
then in which case your citizenship is suddenly questionable.
45:40
Yeah, that has that has been floated from what I hear. But we'll see.
45:46
I don't like the world at the moment. Nothing I can do about it. Let's talk
45:49
about something fun and exciting and also that pisses me off at the same time.
45:54
Okay. We finally get to get We finally get to see a movie. Oh yeah, a movie.
46:01
That was remember it's going to be a tax write off and we were calling [ __ ]
46:05
on how this could be a tax write off for a fully completed movie ready to sell
46:10
movie and I think the governor of California called [ __ ] on it as
46:14
well. Yeah, I think a lot of people did like how could you do all this and then
46:17
just go we can't sell it for as much as we want. We're still going to get our
46:21
money back but we're not going to make as much profit so it's
46:24
better on tax. I thought they actually did throw it in the bin.
46:29
They did. No, but they they wrote it off which
46:34
means I think although the story was that they had already written it off
46:39
which meant you can't go back on that you can't benefit out of it. But
46:44
obviously that's not the case cuz Coyote
46:46
versus Acme has been sold to someone who
46:51
will be distributing it like a company. So we'll get to see it. Yep. And I think
46:56
I actually might go to movies for this. If we don't, then we've got no one to
47:01
blame but ourselves. Right. That's right. Yeah. They'll be proven right if
47:06
nobody goes to Warner Brothers bought it. Who did this start with? Wait, they
47:10
they would have No, they they made it, didn't they? I thought they made it.
47:15
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ketchup Entertainment. Excuse me. Yeah. They Yeah. Warner
47:18
Brothers has reported completed the sale, right? Yeah. Okay. So, this goes
47:23
hand inhand with there was a couple articles from weeks ago that they
47:27
weren't super interesting, but combined with this, I guess it makes sense to
47:29
just mention that um Max HBO Max is owned by Warner Brothers and they have
47:36
removed all the Looney Tunes randomly from it. And this is another case of
47:40
it's like what does it cost you money to just have things on there for people to
47:43
watch? Like don't you want people to have things to watch on there? Well, no.
47:47
I don't understand that. I think it's they've maybe sold it along with this.
47:52
Maybe that could be. Maybe. I haven't heard that, but the other thing is they're
47:59
bulldozing the building where they made all the Looney Tunes and it's just like
48:03
I mean I understand. Yeah, exactly. I maybe they need the the land or
48:07
whatever. But it's just as a as a combination of things. It's just like
48:10
why you [ __ ] hate Looney Tunes so much, Warner Brothers? Especially when
48:14
they they made you you've been investing money into them, then all of a sudden
48:19
you've just gone nut dead. [ __ ] it. [ __ ] you, Bugs Bunny. Yeah.
48:26
Yeah. Weird. But uh yeah, Cody versus Acne. Yeah, I do want to see this
48:31
because actually like Warner the Warner Brothers Looney Tunes were always there
48:35
during our childhood growing up. More than Disney to be honest in Australia. I
48:40
would say Looney Tunes way more than Disney. Oh, like the Disney movies were
48:44
prominent, but the Disney cartoons Mickey Mouse. What is that? What are
48:49
they in? We knew we knew who Mickey Mouse was, but it wasn't there weren't
48:52
cartoons of Mickey Mouse on like we didn't have the Mickey Mouse Club and
48:55
stuff like that. Like, we didn't have that type of stuff. Tunes was on every
48:59
day. Every day. Every [ __ ] day. Yeah. And then Animaniacs, which is [ __ ]
49:03
great. That's amazing, right? But the thing about this, like, everyone who saw
49:07
this movie said it's a great movie. Yeah. So yeah, this is why and actually
49:13
I actually quite like is it Will Forte?
49:15
That's Will John Center. Yeah.
49:21
Your current favorite Coyote. Is that his name? Wy Coyote. That that actor.
49:25
Yeah. No. You think of Noah Wy from Yeah. No Wy from um Parks of Silicon
49:32
Valley. Yes. Oh, we've got some top news in the
49:36
after party. Oh, we do. Yeah. I wonder if they did actually
49:40
write it off or not cuz I pirates of Silicon Valley, isn't it? And Michael
49:46
Hall as uh That's cor that's right. Yeah. Who's in the new season? That's a
49:51
good movie. Oh, is he? Okay. He's funny because he was always the nerdy kid when
49:56
he was a kid and then he became a really big teenager and so then he played the
50:00
bully. You know what I mean? Like very few people have made that transition.
50:05
Yeah. Normally does not go that way. Yeah. Yeah, like if you watch if you
50:08
watched um if you watched uh National Ampoon's Vacation and then you watched
50:13
Edward Scissor Hand straight after it be like [ __ ] the nerdy kid from this is
50:17
the bully from this. Yeah, it is him in Reacher. I don't know
50:21
why I doubted myself. It is him in season 3 apparently. What's What's the
50:25
actor in in Reacher, Matt? I know you know Alan Richardson gets Yeah, he gets more and
50:32
more nude in each uh in each season, I've been told. Does he? Yeah, he's in
50:38
his undies a bit in season 3. The main characties apparently by season. They're
50:43
just showing everything. They're just like, "Yeah, I mean, that's there for,
50:46
isn't it? I wouldn't even own clothes if that's what my body looked like. We
50:50
cover this up. I'd live. Why would we hide this guy if we're not going to show
50:54
him off?" Yeah. Yeah.
51:00
Um, what else have we got in here? Quite a bit this week, actually. A lot.
51:06
Oh, movie stuff. By the way, one thing I was I was this this came out of nowhere
51:11
and I actually don't know. This is what the headline has said and I is this
51:15
true. The new James Bond movie is
51:19
filming in London right now. That took took me by surprise. The I've seen it
51:25
said that it's in production, which doesn't necessarily mean
51:28
filming, but this says filming and we don't know who's playing Vong. Yeah,
51:35
like that's a so cuz you
51:38
you first the new James Bond film has begun filming in London all while the
51:45
identity of Mr. Bond remains a tightly held secret. I mean cuz I I would have
51:49
seen we're going to know soon enough. If they're filming it, someone's going to
51:52
say something. But also, I understand keeping the raps on production,
51:58
maybe even teasing that they aren't going to tell us who it is yet, but they
52:03
haven't even announced that they picked someone that they are keeping secret.
52:08
It's someone it's someone controversive and they don't want to announce it now
52:12
cuz it's just going to be people [ __ ] on them.
52:17
They are both in London getting started and couldn't be here tonight. I actually
52:21
don't. I mean, I know this this article says it's filming, but I don't think
52:27
it's filming. It is. I think it's people are gathering. Yeah. For pre-production.
52:31
Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a misunderstanding. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz
52:37
I I could the like I said, the headline literally says filming. I was like,
52:40
what? They will like how did this not leak? Even if they don't tell us who it
52:46
is, they'll still tell us that they picked someone surely. Yeah. You can
52:50
stop speculating. We picked someone. I'm trying also to stay very open-minded
52:55
because if you recall, everyone hated Daniel Craig at that reveal. Everyone
53:01
was like, "This guy, the guy guy from Layer Cake, the guy from [ __ ] Tomb
53:05
Raider, like and then he [ __ ] showed
53:09
us." So yeah. So maybe a trans woman will be a good
53:15
James Bond. Yeah. A trans woman off. That's what the That's what people are
53:20
scared of apparently. Well, I remember when No Time To Die came out and
53:23
everyone was like 7 is going to played by a woman of color and everyone was
53:27
like, "Fucking what?" It's like, "No, he gets fired. They assigned that number to
53:32
a different agent. Calm the [ __ ] down." You just reminded me of something that I
53:37
wanted to put in here and I completely forgot. This is a This is a sort of
53:42
segue, right? Can we talk about Snow White? Yes. Yeah. Go for it. Please.
53:46
Please. Let's talk about it. Yeah, there's a couple of things I wanted to
53:49
mention about it. Um, this the main one, right, that that
53:54
I get so confused about cuz I see people arguing about it like, hang on a minute,
53:59
what is the full title of the story of Snow White? What is Snow White and the
54:02
Seven Dwarfs? In that context, what is a dwarf?
54:09
Um, well, in the in the in the original film, in the context of the story of
54:13
Snow White. Yeah. Well, there seven small miners
54:18
who live. Okay, let me be more specific. Like dwarfs.
54:24
Is it Snow White and the seven humans with dwarfism? It's not seven peaceful
54:29
people with dwarfism. It's seven people a lot of people of the fantasy creature
54:34
dwarf that that correct me if I'm wrong. The condition is named after not the
54:40
other way around. Or is it that might not be true, but that's my thought. But
54:44
also like they work in a mind like just like Tolken's dwarves. Like it's
54:49
literally I'm surprised sue them. Like it's a fantasy creature. Yeah. Yeah.
54:55
Yeah. I've seen these people arguing about this you people woke blah blah
55:00
blah stuff and and some of it silly some of it. The one that's most confusing to
55:03
me is that these people seem to agree on
55:06
the fact that that that that it's seven
55:11
humans with dwarf with dwarfism. And I was like that that's not what it is. And
55:16
then and then they having this argument about how like there was someone
55:20
annoyed, right? This annoyed somebody that in this movie they're not any of
55:24
those things. They're like just fantasy creatures. They don't say dwarf or
55:28
anything like that. They're just different kinds of creatures. Look at
55:31
her. But then there's no prince charming. Yeah. Uh it's this guy
55:35
Jonathan because you know kids these days don't do Prince
55:41
princess come and save me kind of thing. Like fair enough whatever. It's a modern
55:44
film. Who cares? But he's got a band of merry men. One of whom is a little guy
55:50
some actor from Game of Thrones like and and that annoyed them because they were
55:54
like dwarf in there. You know there's one right there. He
55:59
hasn't got six friends. Ask him. Yeah. So, this is why you just you're not
56:04
gonna win with At one point I was like, "Hang on a
56:09
minute." Like, people want to be upset. That's what they want to be. Look, I'm
56:15
not saying this is a good movie. This might be a [ __ ] movie, but it's not a
56:18
[ __ ] movie for all the reason at the end of the day. Yeah. Yeah. And cuz there's
56:21
a whole bunch of stuff like that. Yeah. the the plot of this the plot of this
56:26
movie is not the plot of the old movie. So, it's kind of I know before it came
56:32
out people were like, well, like for example, like she's not she's not white
56:36
as snow. She's like a Latina. And then people were like, but then in this in
56:41
this movie it's not her skin color that is why she's called Snow White. It's cuz
56:45
she's born during a blizzard apparently. And it's like, okay, if you don't like
56:48
that, fine. But like that just means that the criticism you had is actually
56:53
invalid. Yes. Yeah. But also like I we actually watched the live action
56:58
Cinderella today earlier today, right? It's a 2-hour long movie based on like a
57:04
50inute cartoon from the 50s, right? You have to put more information in. And
57:10
audiences are more sophisticated now anyway. You can't just say we're going
57:13
to call this baby Snow White because she's white. And it's like we're all
57:17
white, mate. Like you you can't just say that. Yeah. Come up with a reason. The
57:24
song someday my prince will come isn't in it and he's not a prince and he
57:27
doesn't and this it's like but girl young girls these days don't give a [ __ ]
57:32
about any of that. Like that's not what makes sense that they got rid of the
57:37
rapy undertones of Snow White. That's what you're upset about. And they're
57:42
[ __ ] angry because everyone everyone keeps saying, "Oh, Rachel Ziegler is
57:47
talking down this movie, saying it's awful." No, no, no. All the clips of her
57:51
saying bad things are about the one from the 30s. She's like, she kisses he
57:56
kisses her while she's asleep. He doesn't know he's bringing her out of a
57:59
curse. That's creepy, right? Yes. Because she didn't grow up kind of with
58:05
that kind that that sto that kind of story. She's a younger person. She
58:11
watched this because weird cast. Go and watch the old one. And she was like,
58:16
"Yeah, I'm not going to do mine like that cuz times have changed and those
58:20
stories aren't relevant to kids anymore." Like in We watched that
58:24
recently, too. We uh the original. I mean, they're only that, you know,
58:28
available on TV. Um and it's a weird movie because actually it's very
58:33
disjointed. There's no context for who that evil queen is. I don't even think
58:38
they say it's the stepmother or something. It's just there's they don't
58:41
even show the outside of where she lives. She's just this evil character
58:45
talking to a mirror and someone is saying Snow White's beautiful so she's
58:49
like [ __ ] kill her then. Like and then it just cuts to Snow White living
58:54
with dwarves.
58:56
Yeah. Yeah. Humans. What I'm say Yeah.
59:01
Yeah. Where the hole for the mine is too small that they're like we can only I
59:05
hope I'm not being offensive by saying that. I actually don't know what the the
59:08
terminology is. I'm just trying to be clear about the distinction that I'm
59:11
making. I feel like Yeah. And I don't know for certain the chicken or the egg
59:16
scenario, but I do know that in the film Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, she
59:20
doesn't go, "What a coincidence. You're all suffering from dwarfism." She just
59:24
knows that there's a like it it could be seven elves because they were saying,
59:28
"Oh, you know, in that movie just they've been cast out." No, no, I'm
59:32
pretty sure that's not the plot of that. I think No. Yeah. Cast out. They're
59:36
miners. Yeah. They got a job. Yeah, but that's the only job they can get because
59:41
And I was like, "No, no, no, no. I think you mate. There's diamonds falling out
59:45
of their pockets, mate. They I do not think that is what the the plot of the
59:49
original Snow White and the Seven Dwars." And you know what? Even if there
59:53
is they didn't Nobody thought that far ahead. Okay. Right. It's it's it's the
59:59
Hobbit doors, it's not Game of Thrones doors. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:00:04
Yeah. And cuz then it got me thinking too, you know, people were mad about
1:00:09
um the other Snow White movie, the one
1:00:12
where they cast like like normal normal sized, you know what I mean? Yeah. And
1:00:18
then and then shrank them down and then it was the opposite. They they hired
1:00:22
dwarf actors and shot put people's faces over those. Yeah. All right. All right.
1:00:28
That makes more sense because Okay. Yeah. I can Okay, that that is that
1:00:31
one's still like if you're going to hire you shouldn't have done that. That's the
1:00:34
one that Dinklage had a problem with. Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. Then it got
1:00:38
me thinking were people mad about The Hobbit or and and Lord of the Rings, you
1:00:43
know, the Peter Jackson ones because But again, those are just normal actors with
1:00:47
dwarfism. That's a racist. I know. I know. That's why I was so surprised that
1:00:54
but they were all agreed. Why didn't you get real [ __ ] trees to play the ants?
1:00:58
Mhm. There's no tree that could have played Treebeard. Yeah. So, yeah. Shape
1:01:03
of water. That should have been a real fish, man. Doug Jones needs to be
1:01:06
cancelled. Yeah. Sorry. Is is is [ __ ] Ian Mckllum a wizard? No. Okay. Well,
1:01:12
[ __ ] cancelled. Yeah. No, you can't win with the internet. They just like to
1:01:17
be upset no matter what you do. And this is the reason why I keep saying
1:01:20
diversity needs to be a thing because if the second you cast anyone and the
1:01:25
internet's already complaining, that's a problem. Before they even know if
1:01:30
they're a good actor or anything, they're already complaining. That's the
1:01:34
problem. And to be clear, I've not seen this movie. I'm not going to see this
1:01:38
movie. I don't care. And from what I hear, it is a bad movie. So I'm not
1:01:43
suggesting that it's not. My sister texted me not. She doesn't know about
1:01:47
any of this. She just knows there's a new movie out called Snow White. She's
1:01:52
got two daughters. They went to see Snow White. She texted me straight after and
1:01:55
goes, "You should go and see Snow White. It's really fun. My girls loved it." And
1:01:59
I went, "Okay, cool. No, not be angry about it." There's no dwarves in her D.
1:02:06
No one. Here's the thing. I don't She's not white. He doesn't play a dwarf.
1:02:12
Pretend he's a normal person. But but apparently those those woodsmen
1:02:16
or whatever they are, the band of merry men, there's seven of them and people
1:02:20
are really confused by that as well. That's I heard that too and I was like
1:02:24
that is a weird thing to do. It it is what are you doing over there? Yeah, but
1:02:28
whatever. It just it all just seems so silly to me. But I was like why do you
1:02:34
care about any of this [ __ ] But here's here's the thing though. People do press
1:02:38
for movies. They've always always done this, right?
1:02:44
But now we're saturated with it. And I think it's too much. And I think this
1:02:49
proves it because I, for all I know, Rachel Ziggler is a lovely girl. She's
1:02:53
20 [ __ ] years old, mate. Like, what do you expect to say? But yeah, but I
1:02:57
don't like her. Like, when I see her, I'm like, "Oh, yeah. She seems a bit
1:03:01
[ __ ] crazy and in your face because you of her or what?" Well, here's But
1:03:06
that's right. But the same thing happened with um the same thing happened
1:03:10
with Star Wars Acolyte where they put a whole bunch of 20-year-olds on TV every
1:03:14
[ __ ] day. The same thing happened with Wicked before it came out where
1:03:18
they just put those people on TV every day asking them questions and questions
1:03:22
and questions until they said something stupid and then that's all you heard
1:03:26
about for a week, right? And then I went to see Wicked thinking, "Fuck, man. Have
1:03:30
they really made this whole movie about the black experience?" They didn't. It's
1:03:35
a Wicked witch, right? Do you know what I mean? Like, settle the [ __ ] down,
1:03:38
people. I think we're giving these people too much screen time now away
1:03:43
from the actual movie. Just let's just cut that [ __ ] and watch the movie.
1:03:49
Dan, cancelled. Yeah, Dan canled. I'll say this. It took me a minute watching
1:03:55
playing Avowed. Um, in Australia there are no bears. You know, there's the
1:04:00
koala bear. Oh, I think you'll find there are bears. Are there bears? Yes,
1:04:05
there are bears in Australia. Yes. What bears? There are gay men in Australia.
1:04:10
Fair enough. But
1:04:12
um there's bears in about
1:04:17
I was attacked by a young black bear.
1:04:22
And at first I was like, "No need to say the race of the bear." And I was like,
1:04:27
"The black bear is a thing." Yes. But yeah, there's a black bear and a brown
1:04:34
bear, right? And a koala bear or they wander they wander around near my house.
1:04:39
There was I think I seen that that's someone's um doorbell camera footage
1:04:44
when there was a bear on the street behind me. Mhm. Yeah. Is it black?
1:04:48
That's the ones in Vermont, too. The black you run from that one. Are black
1:04:51
the only ones that break into people's houses? Cuz that would be a just a
1:04:54
terrible coincidence, wouldn't it? I mean, they I think they're just
1:04:59
looking for food, mate. But I don't go wherever the food is. Between the the
1:05:04
black and the brown bear, one you're meant to run from and the other you're
1:05:06
meant or meant to get big and try and threaten. The other you meant to power
1:05:11
from back if it's brown. Lay down. Shoot it down. Lay down. Yeah, something like
1:05:17
that. Or is that poop? Again, we're just talking about bears. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:05:23
If it's white or all right. Yeah. No, polar bears are vicious when it
1:05:30
comes to bears. I was in the Arctic and we there was a stuffed polar bear in the
1:05:35
lobby of the hotel. It's 3 m tall and I'm like that one. That's right. It was
1:05:41
terrifying. Even the stuffed ones will [ __ ] saw one from far enough away
1:05:44
that it was about the size of a grain of rice on the horizon and they're like,
1:05:48
"Oh yeah, we need to go.
1:05:53
It's rapidly getting larger." Yeah. If it's the size of a grape, you're
1:05:58
already dead.
1:06:06
Uh, mate, we got a lot for the after party. We got a lot. Oh, we do. We do.
1:06:10
The after party. The after party is Why' you say like
1:06:15
somehow it's my fault that there's Well, no. I said both me and Matt spoke over
1:06:19
each other. What's the after party? So, it becomes You have to explain it. Oh,
1:06:22
okay. Sure. What's the after party, Dan? What's Yeah, always going on about the
1:06:27
after party. Fine. Okay. Well, the after party is a all personal project of mine
1:06:31
that I've roped Luke and Matt into participating in against their own
1:06:35
better judgment. Um where I and occasionally them, I suppose, um continue
1:06:41
talking. Yeah. Um uh it will cost you though. It will cost
1:06:47
you a subscription on Patreon. Yeah. It'll cost you, mate. It cost more than
1:06:52
it cost me. Let's be fair. Yeah, that is true. Uh, head over to
1:06:59
patreon.com/multiplegasm or multiplers.com and just follow the
1:07:03
links. Sign up for $5 a month and you can get the other half of this show. Um,
1:07:08
there are other tiers. Uh, but that's the one that gets you in. That's the key
1:07:13
to the door of the after party. The after party. And then there's a tier
1:07:16
where you just ask Luke to do stuff and give him money and he won't do it. He
1:07:21
won't follow through. Hang on a minute. He's just now he's like, "No, no. I
1:07:24
always said that it was just give me money. I never promised anything." Yeah. Just
1:07:30
you just ask Luke stuff. That's what it is now. Yeah. That's what we turned it into.
1:07:36
Um before I commit to things. I've committed to a game of
1:07:42
chess. Okay. Right. Yeah. I've committed to as a follow through. Just a
1:07:47
commitment of commit. He's like when Amber Herd says that she has pledged
1:07:52
many millions of dollars to charities. To be clear, Nate did not ask you to
1:07:57
play chess. No. No. I'm still working out what to do for the money. Got
1:08:01
something really good coming. Nate coming. Good. Good. Good. Good. So, I
1:08:04
mean, if it's a first and first serves, we need to take care of Nate, right?
1:08:08
Yes. That's right. Yes. We need to take care of the second I see
1:08:13
Nate. Very clear. He does not want to get sucked off. Ah.
1:08:18
by Luke. I don't think I'm generally We have to We have to reschedule all this. Yeah.
1:08:25
Well, while Japan's sucking America off, we're creating our own little
1:08:31
Yeah. I put a tariff on the Patreon. Yeah.
1:08:37
Will there be one on the Patreon? I guess we'll have to. Yeah. No. Patreon's
1:08:43
an American company, isn't it? Yeah. up money coming in from overseas. It's not
1:08:47
a good It's not good. It's not good.
1:08:51
It's garbage, mate. See you there. Tax exempt.
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