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Taylor & Travis Wedding Ban Lists, Dave Portnoy’s Tell-All, & Mormon Wives Legal Chaos · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 4: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have one of
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  Speaker 2: our return favorites. He is a knowledgeable pop culture king.
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  Speaker 2: Zach Peter, welcome back to Juicy Scoop. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I like this little distinguished gray salt and pepper.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know why.
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  Speaker 5: I've been getting so many comments about that. I've had
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  Speaker 5: this for like four years.
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  Speaker 4: Well, not four. When did I stop being blonde?
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  Speaker 1: 2024.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe that's why. It's been two years. But, like, lately,
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, am I graying more? Because I feel like
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  Speaker 5: I've gotten so many compliments. It looks good. Good.
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  Speaker 4: I like it. I'm gray everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're a young guy.
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  Speaker 4: I know. I'm only 33. But, yeah, I'm gray head
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  Speaker 4: to toe.
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  Speaker 2: That's an Irish thing. Is it? Premature gray is more
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  Speaker 2: of an Irish trait.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I am a good drinker.
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  Speaker 2: I like it. This just came out.
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  Speaker 4: I saw that.
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  Speaker 2: This was this couple. a man and a woman climbed
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  Speaker 2: up to the top, top, top, top of the Empire
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  Speaker 2: State Building. And then he had this sign, when the
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  Speaker 2: power of love heats the love of power, the world knows.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's waving. And then he asked his
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  Speaker 2: girlfriend to marry him. They both have been arrested because
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  Speaker 2: you're not allowed to do this. And all I thought
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  Speaker 2: about was, sometimes I think, Girls in romantic relationships with
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  Speaker 2: men oftentimes pretend they're into something more sporty than they are. Yeah. Camping, boating, fishing,
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  Speaker 2: when they'd really just rather go to a Four Seasons
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  Speaker 2: and have a lovely dinner. Yeah. And... I hope this
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  Speaker 2: is the case. I hope this girl loves to climb
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  Speaker 2: and is not scared at all.
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  Speaker 4: This is what they do. They're professional climbers. Oh, thank goodness.
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  Speaker 4: I was actually researching.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't even know we were talking about this, but
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  Speaker 5: I was researching on the way over here because I
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  Speaker 5: was like, who are these couple?
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  Speaker 4: How did they make it up? I don't think they
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  Speaker 4: climbed from the bottom.
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  Speaker 5: I think they like took an elevator to a high
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  Speaker 5: floor and then somehow passed security to get up there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: But this is what they do.
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  Speaker 5: And there was a Netflix documentary that they had taped
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  Speaker 5: themselves with like, I want to say like drones.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So what they do is they climb to the tops
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  Speaker 5: of these buildings and like film themselves doing this. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I guess this is the tallest one they've ever climbed to.
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  Speaker 5: But they, you know, wanted to say that love beats power.
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  Speaker 5: And that's how the world knows peace.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, peace. That's the word.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, they look like they have good triceps.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: On both of them.
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  Speaker 4: Like, how do you.
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  Speaker 2: And their faces are covered. I guess so they would
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  Speaker 2: hope not to get caught or something.
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  Speaker 4: But how are they not going to get where are
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  Speaker 4: they going to run?
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  Speaker 5: Like you're at the top of the building.
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  Speaker 4: They found you.
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  Speaker 2: And my suggestion would have been to wait until July
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  Speaker 2: 3rd and steal the thunder or some of the thunder.
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  Speaker 2: And also there'd be less cops to catch you because
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  Speaker 2: they're all at Madison Square Garden, allegedly on July 3rd.
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  Speaker 2: I said on my last show. I think the whole
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  Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden thing is a ruse to distract us.
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  Speaker 2: But it appears Heather was wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, same.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, this has to be like a fake
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  Speaker 5: story that they leaked. But no, it seems like this,
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  Speaker 5: like there are city permits. They got rid of all
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  Speaker 5: the homeless people. They like, you know, they're doing all
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  Speaker 5: of it.
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  Speaker 2: They, you know, they, I guess they did a similar
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  Speaker 2: way of protective police bubble for the Knicks games and things.
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  Speaker 2: So they certainly know how to do it as far
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  Speaker 2: as safety goes. We know having it at the fanciest hotel,
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  Speaker 2: there isn't the right amount of safety.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, when you're out, you know, in a beautiful
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  Speaker 2: setting outside with the water crashing, there's too much elements
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  Speaker 2: of people being able to get in, fly over.
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  Speaker 4: And helicopters, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And she, they wanted a thousand person wedding. So they're.
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  Speaker 4: Crazy.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and we knew that it wasn't going to
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  Speaker 2: look like.
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  Speaker 4: Madison Square.
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  Speaker 2: Madison Square. Like you could, it's just a huge space
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  Speaker 2: you could do anything with, with all the money in
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  Speaker 2: the world. And apparently they believe they're building a castle. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And which sounds weirdly tacky Disney, but maybe it'll be super.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure whatever it is will be all real flowers,
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  Speaker 2: beautiful furniture, polished silverware. Like I'm sure it will be stunning.
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  Speaker 5: I hope so because everything about it just sounds so
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  Speaker 5: tacky and terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Like a thousand people at a wedding.
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  Speaker 5: They have a castle that they're building inside of Madison
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  Speaker 5: Square Garden.
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  Speaker 4: Like everything about it just sounds.
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  Speaker 5: so unnecessarily over the top, but also so cheesy at
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  Speaker 5: the same time.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the thousand person thing, if you've got all
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  Speaker 2: the money in the world, okay, let's think about the
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  Speaker 2: smart side of it. They're at a level that they
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  Speaker 2: have such a large staff, each of them, and worked
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  Speaker 2: with so many people and have so many celebrity friends
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  Speaker 2: that help their staying at a certain level. And So
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  Speaker 2: you sit down and you start to, you know, edit
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  Speaker 2: some people. And by going, let's just have a thousand.
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  Speaker 2: We invite all the people that work for us, like
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  Speaker 2: on a daily basis, from the house manager to the
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  Speaker 2: tour manager to all those people. We know she's really
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  Speaker 2: generous with her touring staff, like gave them bonuses. So
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  Speaker 2: this way, nobody is going to be mad that they
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  Speaker 2: weren't invited. No one's going to resentful. The stars that
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  Speaker 2: are their friends will be invited. So they get to go. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and of course, no one, we're not screwing
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  Speaker 2: over a second cousin or whatever. And so I think
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  Speaker 2: that's it. They're just like, we could have done this
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  Speaker 2: and made it 300 people and pissed off 700 people
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  Speaker 2: that could affect our livelihoods, our reputation. Those 700 people
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  Speaker 2: are doing TikToks about what a fucking bitch they both are.
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  Speaker 2: And so I now think totally brilliant to do it there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're both gay.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, the gay lore?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's the case. I do think
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  Speaker 2: they love each other. I do think they're excited to
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  Speaker 2: get married. I think there's probably a private, smaller thing
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  Speaker 2: happening the day before.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they have the reception the night before. That's 100 people.
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  Speaker 2: Which is essentially a rehearsal dinner, which you normally have.
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  Speaker 2: And 100 is still big, but not for them. And
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  Speaker 2: so then those people feel really special. But nobody that's
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  Speaker 2: not part of the 100 is going to feel jinxed.
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  Speaker 2: Or not jinxed, but, you know... blown off. And then
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  Speaker 2: apparently their NDA doesn't really have penalties. Now they'll be
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  Speaker 2: collecting phones for sure. And I assume it's something where,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you really want to go check on
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  Speaker 2: your sitter, you just go up, you ask for your phone,
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  Speaker 2: you go outside and you make a call, but which
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  Speaker 2: also makes an event so freeing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because there's that panic in our world when you are,
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  Speaker 2: have a phone and you see celebrities, you see people,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and you're like, this would be a waste
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  Speaker 2: of a night if I don't get a photo with them,
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  Speaker 2: you know? And then, so it's like, it kind of
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  Speaker 2: ruins your good time. So the times I've gone to weddings,
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  Speaker 2: Lance Bass's wedding, which was like the first televised gay wedding.
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  Speaker 2: And it was so fun. That one was put your
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  Speaker 2: phone away and it really made it like you're in
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  Speaker 2: the moment, you know? And you're not thinking about, and
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  Speaker 2: there's photographers, you'll get the photos, you know?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I predict there's going to be like a Vogue
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  Speaker 5: or a Vanity Fair exclusive that'll have the exclusive photos. Um,
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  Speaker 5: I think to your point about not having phones, like
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure there will be activities and things going on.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, who Tim McGraw is supposed to be performing?
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  Speaker 2: Stevie Nicks. Of course, she loves both those artists. And
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  Speaker 2: I love both those artists. I mean, that'll be great.
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  Speaker 2: They won't be doing 25 songs each. They're probably each
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  Speaker 2: going to like do two or three.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it is a 10 hour wedding. So that's a
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  Speaker 5: long time to not be with your phone, though.
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  Speaker 2: But the way it works, like the original comedy club
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  Speaker 2: that started this, where they take your phone, is at
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  Speaker 2: the Comedy Works in Denver, is there they put it
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  Speaker 2: in a thing that's sealed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you keep it. So if it's buzzing and it's
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  Speaker 2: your sitter, you go outside of the standup venue and
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  Speaker 2: you go to the person outside and they'll open it
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  Speaker 2: for you. And then outside of the comedy venue, you
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  Speaker 2: can make a call. I don't know if they're doing
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  Speaker 2: it that way or if they're doing it that you just,
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  Speaker 2: you can go and check it anytime you want, but
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  Speaker 2: you're going to have to make your call in this
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  Speaker 2: boring place where there's no place to take a photo.
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  Speaker 2: At the masters, the golf masters, they will not let
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  Speaker 2: you have a phone at all, which is a long
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  Speaker 2: day and you're out and, you know, and, It's also
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  Speaker 2: very freeing, but it's like old school. We'd be like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we'll meet you at three o'clock at this spot. And
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  Speaker 2: it's a wedding. It's you'll, you'll be okay. And there'll
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  Speaker 2: be a way to check it. I'm sure. Um, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it is. it comes at 3 30 is cocktail yeah
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  Speaker 2: wedding is starting at like 5 30 yeah and then
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  Speaker 2: dinner partying all.
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  Speaker 5: Night it's gonna be amazing i'm sure it'll be lovely
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  Speaker 5: and i mean it sounds tacky that she's building you
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  Speaker 5: know a disney castle inside of madison square garden but
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  Speaker 5: i think it's gonna be fine i just love that
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  Speaker 5: she's literally having a thousand guests and not one of
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  Speaker 5: them is blake lively Could you imagine you're down the
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  Speaker 5: street from the godmother of your children, your former best
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  Speaker 5: friend of over a decade, and she's getting married down
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  Speaker 5: the street and a thousand people are at this wedding
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  Speaker 5: and you're not.
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  Speaker 4: That is just gold.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's just move this up right here. Speaking of
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  Speaker 2: breaking news, you do have a doctorate in Baldoni versus Blake.
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: Or Blake versus Baldoni. Blake Lively asked for nearly $ 8
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  Speaker 2: million in attorney's fees, court costs from the Baldoni and Wayfarer.
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  Speaker 2: Can you explain this?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so the case for the most part is done.
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  Speaker 5: They've settled. None of them got any money out of it.
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  Speaker 5: But there was a small pending order that she had
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  Speaker 5: filed last summer where she wanted him to pay for
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  Speaker 5: her attorney's fees because, remember, he sued over defamation and
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  Speaker 5: that defamation claim didn't move forward. So the judge said, okay,
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  Speaker 5: I will grant a small, there's a me too law
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  Speaker 5: that's very new here in California that allowed for her
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  Speaker 5: attorney's fees to be recovered because he did not prevail
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  Speaker 5: with his defamation case. So with that, and it's a
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  Speaker 5: very limited and sliver of a portion, it's one claim
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  Speaker 5: and it's very limited in terms of the amount of
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  Speaker 5: hours or the time, the scope of time that she's
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  Speaker 5: able to clock in for. But so she had to
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  Speaker 5: turn in what her attorneys charged her for that time period.
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  Speaker 5: And she's claiming that it was $ 8 million. $ 7. 5 million
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  Speaker 5: were for attorney's fees, and then $ 500, 000 are for costs.
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  Speaker 5: And she put everything from the $ 6 binder to her
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  Speaker 5: attorney's $ 1, 400 hotel stay. We learned that her lead attorney, Gottlieb,
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  Speaker 5: charges $ 2, 100 per hour. Woo!
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  Speaker 4: Crazy.
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  Speaker 5: And so she didn't submit any actual invoices, but she
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  Speaker 5: submitted a long list of expenses that she would like recovered.
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  Speaker 5: it's highly unlikely she'll get anything close to that. But
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  Speaker 5: the judge has to make a decision and we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: What's your prediction? Will she get some, like two million?
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  Speaker 5: I would say maybe one to 200,000. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: she'll get a million out of this. Because again, you
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  Speaker 5: have to, and she even tried to make this argument.
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  Speaker 5: So you don't get exact, when you get your attorney's
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  Speaker 5: fees recovered, you don't get the exact amount that you paid.
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  Speaker 5: You get what the judge determines is reasonable. And I
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  Speaker 5: think to the average person, you know, A defamation motion
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  Speaker 5: to dismiss $ 8 million is not a reasonable amount of
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  Speaker 5: money to spend on something as, you know, small as that.
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  Speaker 5: So I think she'll get a good little chunk of change.
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  Speaker 5: But also her and Ryan Reynolds have so much money
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  Speaker 5: that like doesn't really do anything. But if it took
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  Speaker 5: her $ 8 million to fight this one charge against Justin,
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  Speaker 5: you can imagine how much they spent in the entirety
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  Speaker 5: of almost two years.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I predict that she and her husband, Ryan, and
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  Speaker 2: their four kids. will be on a very fun, far
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  Speaker 2: away vacation this weekend, celebrating the 4th of July. Piggyback rides.
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  Speaker 2: She'll do a piggyback ride on Ryan's back just to
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  Speaker 2: show that he can lift her. And they'll be rolling around.
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  Speaker 2: They'll be doing kids. They'll be doing something funny about fireworks.
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  Speaker 2: And it'll be that to distract that even if we
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  Speaker 2: were invited, we would much rather be In this beautiful
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  Speaker 2: location with our four kids having family time.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that was the story.
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  Speaker 5: There was a story that came, I think, last week
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  Speaker 5: that said that Taylor had offered an olive branch and
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  Speaker 5: that Blake was invited to the wedding. But if you
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  Speaker 5: don't see her there, then just know it was her
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  Speaker 5: decision to not attend the wedding.
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  Speaker 2: Well, how did that story get out?
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  Speaker 4: I wonder.
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  Speaker 5: And then six hours later, like someone, presumably Taylor Swift's camp,
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  Speaker 5: like immediately shut down that. And that was like a
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  Speaker 5: whole new story saying that Blake was absolutely not invited
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  Speaker 5: to the wedding.
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  Speaker 4: It was funny.
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  Speaker 2: No, she, you know, I am not a super duper
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  Speaker 2: Swifty Swifty, but I know obviously she's had many famous
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  Speaker 2: ex-boyfriends who then have gone on to date other girls,
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  Speaker 2: some of whom she's friends with, some of whom she's not.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't really know the whole guest list. But
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  Speaker 2: who is Harry Styles engaged to right now?
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know.
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  Speaker 2: He's invited. And she had dated Harry Styles at one point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she indicted him at one point.
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  Speaker 2: Well, whoever the girl that he's dating or engaged to.
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  Speaker 2: I heard somewhere that girl's invited.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Carly Klaus, Selena Gomez, Ed Sheeran, the Haim sisters. There
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  Speaker 5: are quite a few big names coming. I would love
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  Speaker 5: for her to invite her exes.
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  Speaker 2: What about all those girls that were in her squad?
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  Speaker 2: Remember that?
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  Speaker 5: Gigi Hadid. She's going to be there. Blake, who's not
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  Speaker 5: going to be there. Who else was on the squad?
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  Speaker 4: Carly.
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  Speaker 5: Was that Carly's who she's rumored to be in a
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  Speaker 5: lesbian relationship with?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's fun. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So she has her lesbian girlfriend there. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: she's gay. I don't think he's gay.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I think when I questioned the validity of their relationship
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  Speaker 5: until I saw them on the podcast together. Remember when
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  Speaker 5: she came on his podcast? And I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 5: they're kind of like into each other.
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  Speaker 4: And like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: She's somebody that gives me the impression that she's like,
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  Speaker 5: she loves love. And so she gets infatuated with these guys.
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  Speaker 5: I think he likes her. And I think he loves
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  Speaker 5: her fame. And I think he loves the... level of
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  Speaker 5: celebrity she's elevated him to. And I think that's motivation
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  Speaker 5: enough for him to stick with it. But I think
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  Speaker 5: she's into him.
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  Speaker 2: I am going to go back to my original thoughts,
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  Speaker 2: which is that, yes, they're a real couple. Yes, they
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  Speaker 2: love each other, but they also love what you, what
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  Speaker 2: each person brings to the table and what they stand for.
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  Speaker 2: It's super cool that she's dating this very well liked, um,
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  Speaker 2: guy who has a well liked brother who has a
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  Speaker 2: pop top podcast is great football player who America likes.
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  Speaker 2: And so that's cool. And that he's kind of masculine.
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  Speaker 2: He's not a singer though. He wants to be, which
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  Speaker 2: scares me. And then I also think that she, um,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: you know, is a traditional gal and like wants and
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: definitely wants to, Get married before she's pregnant and have
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: a couple kids for sure.
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: It's going to be happening. I mean, and listen, she
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: was like a loser in high school. So she got
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: her fantasy of like winning the football.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: What is he, a quarterback or whatever?
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I'm in the bleachers.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she got it.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: And she probably always had a fantasy about getting married
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: in a castle or with a castle. And you why
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: not have every single fantasy that you ever had. You've
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: worked your whole life. And you have so much money
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: and so much success. And the same thing. Let me
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: have everybody that I do truly love and care about.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I want there. I don't want to. I don't have
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: to cut people off because the hotel only will allow
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: a wedding of, you know, 350. So I think it's
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: all smart. I wonder whose idea it was. That's who
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I want to know.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: know about the drawer.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: The drawer. Just the one square before bed. Or two,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you know. Nobody's watching.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: You deserve a treat. With eight flavours to choose from,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you can choose the flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: what would you do if it was given back?
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: started crying. Everybody in life encounters hardships.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: What defines them is not those hard moments that they
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: go through. It's about what happens next.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dara,
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to pull punches. You can use your
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: voice even if it's shaped.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Dave Portnoy, he is the owner of Barstool Sports, extremely successful.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: He claims that Alex Cooper of Call Her Daddy and
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Sophia Franklin, the original co-host of Call Her Daddy, now
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Sophia has her own show, planned to say they were
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: sexually harassed to get out of a Barstool contract. This
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: all comes from his book, which our reader here, who
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: likes to read books, knows how to read books, whether
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: they're court docs or actual... books written by dave i
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: saw something else that someone from his team and i
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: think this is all part of a pr thing was
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: saying that he's actually illiterate and can't read or write
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: that's just a funny joke to get people to read
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: the book.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: Right maybe i mean he does open the book by
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: saying like he committed to writing this book and then
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: he regretted it because he doesn't like doing stuff like
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: he doesn't like writing so i don't know but he
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: gave the impression that he wrote it himself but i
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: mean he could have totally gone with the ghost writer
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: but the book is actually good it's actually i was
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: surprised how much i like him as a result of
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: it i didn't know much about him obviously i knew
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: him as like the founder of barstool barstool sports and
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: i kind of thought he was douche um but you
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: know and occasionally i would catch one of his rants
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: on instagram but i actually like really appreciated him throughout
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: the book and just like what he built barstool from
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: and i didn't know it started in like 2003 as
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: like a newspaper that he would print himself um But yeah,
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: the Alex Cooper and Sophia story is crazy because they
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: really hated each other behind the scenes.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Like they didn't see Sophia and Alex. OK, I think so.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: According to Dave, he came across, I think, Alex's teaser
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: for Call Her Daddy. And he saw like a clip
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: or something that she was doing to promote it. And
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: he reached out to her because his thing is like,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: I'm I find talent. He's like, I don't care if
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: the talent. you know, uses Barstool as a launching pad
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: and goes and becomes uber successful after us. I just
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: like to find and foster talent. And he's like, when
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: I saw Alex Cooper, he's like, I knew she was
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: going to be a star. And so I wanted to
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: bring her into Barstool. I told her we had all
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: these resources. We had this built-in audience. And I just,
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: he said he had a gut feeling about her. So
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: he offered her a deal to come in for $ 75, 000
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: for a year to sign Call Her Daddy to Barstool.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: And she said, okay, but I have to bring my co-host.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: She's my friend, Sophia. She's like integral to the show.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: I have to bring her in. And so he offered
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Sophia the same deal. And then eventually they launch the
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: podcast with Barstool and it blows up.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: It's super successful.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: Then they start to see that it's just bringing in
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: all sorts of money. And he's even saying like, it's
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: keeping the staff paid. It's keeping the lights on. Like
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Call Her Daddy was a massive success when they launched
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: it with Barstool. And so then they start to ask
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: for more money. He gives them a bump. He bumps
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Alex up to, I think, 150. He bumps Sophia up
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: to 90. And he's like, it's because to me, the
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: idea was always Alex's idea. She was the real star.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: Sophia was the co-host that came with her that Alex,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: you know, fought for to be at the, you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: at the table with her. But he's like, I paid
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Alex more. And he's like, that's where the first real
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: issue came in was that Alex was making $ 60, 000.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: More than what Sophia was making.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: And so I guess there was Sophia's boyfriend who he
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: claims was like the real architect between the greed that
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: seemed to be coming from the girls and Um, eventually
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: they started asking for even more money. They were asking
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: for like a million dollars each for their first year.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: And he's just like, you guys haven't even finished the
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: terms of your last contract. Like if you want to renegotiate,
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: renegotiate at the end of your contract, but you guys
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: haven't even fulfilled what you originally signed for. And you're
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: asking for this astronomical amount of money. So then he
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: started to play them against each other because he found
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: out that they didn't really like each other. Like he
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: started to hear rumblings and they would kind of, I guess,
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: shit talk each other. And So then he offered to
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: pay them each $ 500, 000. And then after the, fulfill your contract,
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: I'll pay you $ 500, 000 per year. And once your contract
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: is done, you're free to leave. And so made them
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: the offer. And I guess they, Sophia wanted to hold
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: out for more money because at that point, her boyfriend
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: was shopping the show around to other networks. And that's
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: when Alex called him and she's like, I'll take the deal,
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: but I don't want to do it with Sophia.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Ooh.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: And so I guess he actually admits that he leaked
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: the story. I forgot which outlet he leaked it to,
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: but he says that he leaked the story that the
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: two of them weren't getting along behind the scenes. And
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: it wasn't Alex and Sophia versus Barstool. It was Alex
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: versus Sophia. And then I think that's what got them
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: to really turn on each other because I think they
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: thought the other party leaked it. And he was the
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: one that actually leaked it. And he reveals that on
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: the blog.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: As someone who didn't really know what was going on,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: but knew of them, I... felt for Sophia because then
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: they like took this couple weeks off.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: And the fans who were so addicted to the show, um,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: then when it came out, like it was Sophia that
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: was holding out. Yeah. And it was because of this
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: greedy boyfriend that me, it was like, I felt that
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the narrative out there was very anti Sophia.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: And I reached out to her after it was done
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: and she came on my show and I was like,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: you know, this is so weird because they made it
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: like you're just doing this for a guy. Yeah. I'm like,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: but actually the guy was right. Like you guys did
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: deserve more money and you should have more money. And,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: you know, when I first started my podcast, I had
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: to have an insider man tell me you are not
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: making enough. Like, do you have any idea how many
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: people are? And I'm like, no, I really don't. Like
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I started making no money and I just am happy
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: to like make no money and like whatever. And I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: didn't know. And so it's so, you know, but I
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: understood how it happened with a dynamics of of them
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: being young girls and then getting, so then it's almost
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: like Alex had Dave in her ear and Sophia had
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the boyfriend in the ear. And that's kind of a
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: bummer with women in business. Like that sometimes it's, sometimes
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: it is harder for two women to be in a
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: successful business forever where jealousy doesn't come into play. I
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: feel like men can do it better sometimes in general speaking. And,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: You know, this was one of those cases.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: I think had Alex not cut Sophia out, I think
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: they could have both fought for more and probably could
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: have prevailed because he even admits that when Alex called
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: him and was saying, I want to move forward, but
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: I want to cut Sophia out of the deal.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Give me the IP.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: I'll take the 500 that you're offering me right now.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to ask for anything more, but just
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: cut Sophia out. And, um, and Dave was like, okay, yeah,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: like I'll give you the deal.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Um, we're all in agreement.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: He made, so he says he made Sophia the same offer,
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: but she wasn't responding. And then he gave the deal
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: to Alex and he's like, well, how would you even,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: he's like, I could sue you guys for breach of contract.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: If you even try to walk away from Barstool sports.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: And she said, well, no. And she claims that Sophia Alex.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Alex claims that Sophia and her boyfriend were the ones
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: that we're planning on lodging the sexual harassment allegations against Barstool.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: And so she's like, I don't like that that's the
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: route that they want to take.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: So she's like, I'm just going to jump in. But
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: if I jump in, Sophia's out. And so he cut
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Sophia out. And then eventually he said he did hear
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: from Sophia and she said, OK, I'm in. And he said, well,
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: call her daddy's given to Alex. But if you want
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: to stay here, you can keep the 500 and you
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: can have your own show. And he talks about how,
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: you know, in his mind, he wanted the two of
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: them at the same network because then they would basically
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: be fighting with each other and he could capitalize off
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: of their feud back and forth. And he's like, from
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: a business perspective, I was willing to do that because
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: I wasn't burning Alex because I technically cut Sophia out
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: of Call Her Daddy. But then I was still giving
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Sophia the opportunity to have her show and her side
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: of the story.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: And, you know, that's juicy.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: And that would have been a perfect.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: But I think Sophia ended up going to another network
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: and getting her Sophia with an F podcast. And they
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: probably paid her more than the $ 500, 000. But he's like,
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: I did still honor the offer of $ 500, 000, but it
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: just wasn't going to be on Call Her Daddy. And
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: he's like, and I knew after they signed, if both
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: of them or one of them signed for the $ 500, 000,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: he's like, I knew once the contract was up, they
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: were going to leave. But he's like, I just wanted
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: them to fulfill what they had promised with the time
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: frame that they had committed to Barstool. And then he's like,
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: that's when Alex Cooper left and sold to Spotify for
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: $ 60 million. And then now I think she's at Serious
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: for like 250 million.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Okay. What I think is interesting about this people title article,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: which is in the book, I think it's very dangerous
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: because I do feel partly Blake Lively, things like this.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: There is something that is kind of happening, which is like,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: it's like a reverse me tooing of a woman.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: It's like someone saying, She said she was going to
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: sue you for sexual harassment. She said that you tried
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: to rape her. And there is no lawsuit filed. There
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: is no went to the police department. But the rumor
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: starts and it's such a horrible accusation that then this
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: thing now is really like reflecting poorly on Sophia where
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: there's no proof of it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: So I just want to say there's no proof of it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that it wasn't told to Dave. Doesn't mean
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: that it wasn't told to.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Alex.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: And then she said, it doesn't mean that anybody necessarily
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: is lying, but it may have never been something that
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Sophia was really going to do. It could have been
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: in passing. It could have been like, it could have
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: been the boyfriend saying, you're telling me that this guy
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: that's all his whole show is about. how to get
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: laid and sex and everything. Like, come on, it won't
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: look great if he screws you over. It could have
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: been that much, which then could have been, oh, you know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: we're going to pull sexual harassment claims because that really
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: infuriates everybody because it's like, if you're a woman, you
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: know a man that you would be very mad if
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: they were falsely accused or you have a son or whatever.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And I kind of feel like we're in this weird
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: era now where it's a little... You know, it's a
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: little risky to accuse someone of fixing to do that
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: if they really didn't do it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know?
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, and I'm curious to see what Sophia's
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: side of the story is. I know she has her
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: book that's coming out in a few months.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: I'm going to read that.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Dave does reference that her book is coming out. He's like,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: I don't know what she's going to reveal in the book.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know if she for all I know, she
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: may tell exactly the truth, exactly how it went down
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: just from her perspective. He's like, but he thinks I
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: guess he believes that the that that was the original plan, which,
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: like you just said, I think it could have been
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: something like in passing or a very passive comment of like,
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: you know, or maybe you're in the you're in the
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: heat of the moment and you're pissed. You're just like, well,
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: if he tries to, we can always say that he
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: grabbed your butt. and like you don't mean it. But
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: it could just be something that you flippantly say in
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: the heat of the moment that Alex then took and
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: used to her advantage.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: And she got what she wanted.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: It could have been when Dave's trying to gain the
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: trust of Alex, like he said, to separate them, triangulate,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: you know. He could have been like, I mean, let
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: me tell you, what is she going to say? She
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: going to say that I, you know, touched her or
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: like I wanted her. She's not even my type. He
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: could have brought it out. And then Alex would have
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: been like, I don't know. I just know I'm not
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: comfortable with this guy she's dating. And I, I just
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: want a break. I don't want to do this anymore.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And he could also have been him being like, look,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you know, we only needed Beyonce. We didn't need the
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: two other people. I mean, how many people have left
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a band and done just fine?
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: We just talked about Harry Styles. Everybody usually started with
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: more than, not everybody, but I'm saying it happens. And
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: in podcasting, there's been a lot of podcast breakups and
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: they're not the first two best girlies that have broken up.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: and decided like one person is doing more work than
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the other and all that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: So that's very interesting. And then what was the thing about,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: he bought the company for a dollar and then he
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: sold it or he.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: He sold the company.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: And then he, I guess was unhappy because he was,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: he sold the company, but he still worked at the company.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: He was kind of the face of the company, but
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: he's like, but my salary had never changed. They'd never
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: offered me anything more. He's like, so I was basically
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: still working for what I was working for when I
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: sold it initially. And then I think he turned himself
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: into he, from, COVID and like all of the projects
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: that he invested in, he was able to then buy
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: the company back.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: But I think he bought it back for a dollar
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: or something like that. I'm in the middle of that
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: chapter right now.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Oh, OK. But yeah, he talks he was talking about that.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: There was something about like he sold it and then
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: he bought it back.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Does he talk about any regrets about not being a
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: fan of Sunscreen?
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: Not at all.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: He does acknowledge that he's not the best looking guy,
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: but he said that the.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: It's more.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: About the fact that I don't think this guy wears sunscreen.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: He's always doing tea by the sea. He needs to
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: wear a hat and he needs to maybe get a
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: laser treatment or two. That's all. I just worry about
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: skin care.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: He says that the whole caller daddy drama... is what
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: made him more attractive because then suddenly girls were sliding
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: into his DMs. And I'm like, they looked at that
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: leather face and were like, that's what I want to
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: jump on.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Maybe they just saw the money. I don't know. But
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: they were.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: Like, they liked my personality and they were sliding into
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: my DMs.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: And I think that's why he likes to now do
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: like pop culture topics and stuff like that. Yeah, he's
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: doing just fine in life. Now, talk about love. Jussie
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Smollett and... Karamo Brown are dating. Let me remind you
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: who these two guys are. Jussie Smollett was the actor
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: from Empire who faked his own racial attack by the
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: two guys he claimed were wearing masks and put a
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: noose around his neck when he went out to get
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: a Subway sandwich at two in the morning when it
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: was 40 below zero in Chicago. And then it turned
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: out that it was these two guys that he was
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: paying to do it. He still to this day claims
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: he's innocent. He doesn't know why those two personal trainers
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: that were extras on Empire that then became his personal
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: trainers that he paid money to are lying to say
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: that and that this really did happen to him. He
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: obviously isn't getting the acting work that he used to.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I did just see him perform at a pride situation.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: In Harlem.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think the singing is where it's at, my
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: personal opinion. And then Karamo is one of the second
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: generation of Queer Eye for the Straight guys. He was
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: in the news recently because he too claimed to be
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: a victim of everything. racism, mean gay guys. The other
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: gay guys on the show excluded him. They made fun
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: of him. And apparently they were talking about him behind
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: his back. And his mother was hearing it just like,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: remember that movie with Julia Roberts and Hugh Grant? You
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: might not remember. Donnie Hill. It's like he was dating her.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: And then someone's like, here, you want to listen to
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: what they're saying? you know, while they're filming the movie.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: So he puts on the headset and she's like, oh,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I'm so over this guy. Anyway, they ended up together.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: But the point is his mother, I guess, heard them
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: kind of mock him and they were mean gays. And
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: he therefore didn't go on the tours, the press tour
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: where all four of them were holding hands and They
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: were united front. They felt they were being bullied. He
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: felt he was being bullied. I think this is a
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: perfect pairing. I think they are two victims made in
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: heaven that found each other, two thirst buckets.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Yep. The world can marginalize them together.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Cause like, I just, I can't, I don't, I tried
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: to like, I was trying to buy into the Karamo
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: story and I was like, I'm sure the other gays
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: on Queer Eye were mean. Like they can be clicky
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: and I'm sure they were kind of mean to him,
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: but he also kind of sounds like he was annoying
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: and like a perpetual victim and everything as well.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: And so I just, I don't know. They are quite
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: the pairing, the two of them.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: And he, I think it was Karamo.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Imagine the breakup though. Because gays are dramatic and these
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: two are perpetual victims. When that breakup goes down, because this.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Is not going to last.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: They will both be going on a podcast tour.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, I can't wait for that.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: First, they'll start to say, I'm not going to tell
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the story. I'm not going to tell the story. And then, well,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: since he told the story now, I'm going to tell
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: the story. And yeah, I, you know, but there you go. Love, love. Also,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: you know, Portia and her girlfriend named Sway are just
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: having the time of their lives. I was watching Portia's Instagram.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: They went to Bali and she is just, they have
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: their fruit on the floating thing in the pools and
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: they're just having the best time ever. And it's, I
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: think it's, it's kind of great. But like, remember like
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: in Atlanta, like You know, she had the husband that people,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: they thought the husband was gay, the first husband. Then
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: she had the hot dog guy that she got the
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: baby from. And he sort of seemed like a whatever,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: average or whatever cheater. Then she got the husband that
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: was dating the friend who was some Nigerian whatever shady
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: person because then she realized he didn't really have that
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: much money. So then she got divorced from him. And
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: then she was dating a guy, another guy, and then
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: met Sway and was like, well, I'm bi. And now
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: she's with Sway. And so now she's like, I'm a
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: full-blown lesbian.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: You're always a little bi before you become gay.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: It's on the way?
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like with women, it's so not a big deal.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Because so many women... partake or will make out with
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: somebody in a bar that's a girl or they will
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: participate in a threesome in Vegas and you know don't
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: really mind and the guy doesn't ever question that his
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: girlfriend or wife could be gay because she's going down
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: on this girl that he also gets to screw so
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: it's just kind of like well I don't want to
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: point out the obvious because I'm about to screw her
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: too and you just are like okay yeah it's it
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: is what it is but.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: I don't do we think this is gonna last I
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: I feel like this is like when Lindsay Lohan was
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: lesbian for a minute.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, I remember that. You know, I follow that woman
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: who's a DJ.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Sam Ronson?
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And now she honestly just looks like an English teacher
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: that can do DJing.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Like, because now she's like- Well, everyone's a DJ these days.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like 45, which you're right. Now, a lot
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: of old women, a lot of houses, all the housewives
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: are going DJ route.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Meredith, Erica, they're all DJs now. Dorinda.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like there's another one.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Kyle.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: No, Kyle doesn't DJ.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: Kyle Cook.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, Kyle Cook.
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: She may go to Aspen and start DJing to some
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: country music.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Morgan White.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Okay. And then going over to Secret Lives of Mormon Wives,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul. Apparently, first, there's lots of news with her.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Not all great. But one positive thing for her will
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: be the rumor that they are going to air her
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: season of The Bachelorette.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: But after today, that was last week news. And then
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: right after that, she apparently was in like a rehab
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: facility for mental health. And somewhere around there, Dakota called
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: the cops saying that she violated the order with their
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: two-year-old son ever about drop off or pick up or
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: who's in charge of drop off or pick up. And
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: she kind of made some comment in a story that
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: then she deleted, like, oh, really interesting that this person, like,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: calls the cops on me again. Yeah. Does it have
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: to do anything with this possibly her getting to air this? Yeah,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: now they're probably not going to air it.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I'm sure they're so done.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, just when they think, like, maybe we will
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: if this is even a true rumor, then this comes
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: out that even if he didn't call the cops, going
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: to an inpatient facility for mental health, though it's good
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: if you need it, it's really fucking sad and serious
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: when you have three kids at home. And it makes
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: us all say, this chick should not be on reality TV.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: This chick should not make social media her livelihood. Is
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: there any other way that she could make money or
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: survive or or have some type of coach with her
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: that has her do, maybe someone does all the con content,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: but like, she doesn't really answer it. I don't know,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: but I don't know how this girl is supposed to survive.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: She can't do this, but at the same time, like
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: it's not healthy, obviously. And then after this incident, another
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: incident with her former husband, Tate Paul, who is the
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: father of her eight and six year old children is
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: He has filed to have full custody again.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: And restraining order.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: And restraining order. So something happened with them.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: I think he was already in the process of doing that, though,
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: when Dakota filed.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: His restraining order.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Because remember, TMZ had a surveillance footage of them at
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: the courthouse running into each other. So I think Tate
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: may have started this.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: A while ago.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: So you think the legal stuff all caught up with
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: each other. It wasn't like this all happened in three days.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: I think the Tate thing is something that TMZ picked
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: up on, but I think Tate has been in the
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: process of doing that. Because from what I understand, Tate
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: didn't even see the video. Because remember, there were all those, like,
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: police calls with Tate where he didn't even realize how
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: bad the chair-throwing situation was.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: And then he was talking to the cops and saying that, like,
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: Taylor's mom was trying to coach the little girl on
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: what to say to the police and say that she
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: wasn't injured even though she had like a goose egg
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: it was a whole thing so I think he has
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: realized that there's just a lot to her that he
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: doesn't think is in the best interest of the kids
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: but it's he filed a restraining order he's fighting for full.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: Custody I.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Think she's just a mess and I don't know how
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: she comes back from this because I think her being
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: on social media is not healthy because it just like
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: enables her to continue to behave this way and then
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: be the victim in all of this.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I did see something in between the original, like bachelor
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: bar and the bar stools being thrown that she did
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: like make an announcement or show that she bought her
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: own house.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Did you see that? And she bought her house and
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's like I said, it's just kind
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: of a weird thing because with these reality shows with
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: these 30 somethings and their young kids, which we'll get
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: into in a minute with the Valley too. It does.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: There is a, There is a lot of drama, but
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: it's sad because it's involving really young kids.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: It's not a 45-year-old divorcing their husband after being on
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: the show for three years of Real Housewives and the
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: kids are 17 and 19.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: It's not that.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: It's like, It's sad and it's.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Hard to watch.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: You want to watch reality TV for like it's escapism,
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: whether that's like the crazy drama of 20 somethings cheating
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: on each other.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: And it's messy and there's no stakes. Nobody has anything
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: to lose. But when you get into this bracket.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: You're right. Or like the 48 year old.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Who's like, finally, fuck off, fucker. And you're rooting for her. Yeah,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have my own candle shop, and my
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: kids are grown, and now it's me time. Then you're like, yeah,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: you're right. Good for you, bitch. Good for you, Bronwyn,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: for getting rid of Ugly Todd and Unsalt Lake. We're
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: all for that. Your kid is grown. He was a grump.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: You're screwing a model.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Good for you.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: But then there's these other cases where you're like, Yeah.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: Like the valley is really hard to watch.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: So let's get into that. But first, Layla, I talked
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: about this the other day. So she came out. She
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: is also on Secret Lives of Modern Wives. And she
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: said a girl slid into her DMs and now she's
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: talking to her. Now, what is so weird about the
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: younger generation is that when you guys are actually having
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: sex with someone, but you're not in a full commitment,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: you use the word talking, right? I'm talking to this girl.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: There's talking, there's dating.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Drake had a friend over and the guy goes, oh,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I'm talking to this girl.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: But Drake said, oh, his girlfriend, you know?
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: It is his girlfriend. But the talking part, it's like,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: to me, that's like, you're literally just talking. Like for
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: my gender, you're just talking.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Because if I wouldn't, in my day, we'd say we're dating.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: That means we're either kissing or... Touching a boob, touching
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: a dick, or full-blown sex, but we're just not legally
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: boyfriend and girlfriend. But talking can mean you've been boning
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: for a year.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I have so many guys that I've
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: been talking to for like a decade. Like I keep
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: them– I have like a shelf and I just keep
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: them in rotation.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: But you are a good talker.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: You made a career out of talking. But then there's
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: a whole other– Oh, because they don't even talk.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: This is them talking, you know, and they send boob
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: pictures and then they're not even really talking.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: They're just– I don't even know what they're doing. It's
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: so noncommittal.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Nobody seemed to care about this, though I've now talked
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: about it on two shows.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Nobody cares.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Like literally. But anyway, I'm like, who slid into our DMs?
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, is it Morgan Wade? I was going
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: to say it's Morgan. I'm going to make you love me.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Somebody said they went to the Dutton, whatever, Dutton Ranch
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: spinoff show, and she plays a bartender on it. And everyone, like,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: girls were writing me and being like, I just want
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: to walk up to her and say, I'm going to
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: make you love me. Because I always sing that song.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: But wouldn't that be funny if it was Morgan Wade?
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: That would be.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: And I feel like Layla would do something like that.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: She she's Raquel, right? When she was trying to date
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: James Kennedy, like she's that girl. She has no identity.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: She doesn't know who she is. She doesn't know what
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: she wants. So she's kind of just like going with
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: the wind. And now she's in a world where social
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: media and reality TV have given her attention. And now
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: that none of them, like, look at Jesse and I
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: adore Jesse, but like Jesse and Marciano constantly like playing
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: this game of like, we're dating. We're not like, it's
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: so thirsty to me.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: And nobody seems to care about that either.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: And that's why these girls now just seem like they're
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: so desperate to clamor onto any sort of attention. Because
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: it's like you gave them all of this attention and
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: then it's been ripped away because they're not filming the
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: show right now.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: So it's like they don't know what to do.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, it must feel very it does feel
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: very weird because it feels like that's all we talked about.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Not we, but the Internet was very big on Secret
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Lives of Mormon Wives like a year ago. They were
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: just the biggest, hottest things. And you're right. It must
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: feel a lot quieter when they open their phones now.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's not real, but she probably,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: if the attention was all on her and like that
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: was seven months ago, would she have been so quick
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: to announce it on a podcast?
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: I don't think she would have needed to. And Jay, like,
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: I was like, really?
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: Like.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: Also, Jay Shetty, this is 2026.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: A coming out story is like, what is this, Ellen
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: on the cover of People magazine 30 fucking years ago?
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Yep, I'm bi on a podcast instead of yep, I'm
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: gay on People.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: Or I'm launching my girlfriend of eight months and we're
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: in a serious, committed relationship.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: And we're talking.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: This is so like, oh my God. I was like,
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: I literally do not care. But I just think she
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: doesn't know who she is. And she's at that age
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: where you're kind of discovering yourself too because she's like the.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Youngest on the cast.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I also feel like She never really had a juicy storyline.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Nobody really cared. She wasn't with her husband anymore. She
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: was dating this other guy that was somehow related to
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: somebody else. Nobody really cared. She was really pretty. And
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: she got nice big boobs. She's thin. She had issues
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: with her hair being done by Jesse.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: And I think that was about it.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: That was basically it.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: There wasn't anything else. But now if they dumped her,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: it would look really bad. So I do think it's
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: kind of, whether it was strategic or not, probably wise
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: The Valley. We talked a little bit about The Valley. Oh,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: speaking of which, let me see if it's here. But
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: The Valley, DJ James Kennedy is expecting a baby with
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: his 23-year-old girlfriend. And he did ask her to marry him.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: In Lake Cuomo. And so then I was looking at
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: his Instagram and he's doing really good. He's still doing
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: DJ gigs all over. He seems really happy to have
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: a baby on the way.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: She, again, is.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Only 23, very young. She slid into his DMs too.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: And then she came out to visit him and never left.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And that was only seven months ago. Pretty short to
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: get pregnant anyway. But he was there at the Vanderpump
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Hotel launch. He was one of very few people from
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: that era, even there.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Was Stassi there? No. Was she?
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, obviously she has a great
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: relationship with Lisa. I don't remember if I saw that.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: But do you think if this show continues the valley,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: do you think there's any chance that DJ James Kennedy
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: and his girlfriend, who will now have a child- would
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: ever be asked to come back on this show?
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: I don't think so. I don't think the show is
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: on its last leg. I don't know how they even
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: save it at this point. The issue with the Valley
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: is they have so many cast members and which is
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: part of why I don't think the show will ultimately
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: succeed because the more cast members you have, the more
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: money you have to pay them all. So it becomes
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: expensive to keep this show going. with each new season,
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: I imagine Lala's salary was not cheap to join the show. Schwartz,
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: I'm sure, would take whatever $ 5 they threw him to
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: buy a Little Caesars pizza for the night. But Lala,
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: I'm sure, has a big salary. But the issue with
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: the show is there's nobody that you're rooting for there's
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: no hero arc there's no um you know like i
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: i don't know who i think.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I even like i'll tell you the hero arc the
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: one that that everyone that you like is michelle.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: But do we even really like her?
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I like her. She got rid of her ex, Jesse. Yeah.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: And she had a really good moment where she's like,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I see you with your new girlfriend. And that's nice,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: but it also makes you realize that you never really
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: did love me that way, and you were capable of it.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe for the last few years, she just told herself,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: he's not affectionate. He's not this. He's, you know, maybe
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: it's because we work together. Whatever she told herself, she
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: then saw this, and I thought that was probably the
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: most interesting moment of the season. And then the fact
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: that she's dating Dr. Dre, even though he has a
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: pretty problematic past with exes and things, he's... An older, super,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: super successful guy. So that's kind of exciting. She is
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: selling houses all the time. So she's still keeping up
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: her normal career. So if she doesn't stick, she's not,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: it doesn't, she doesn't feel as thirsty as the other
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: people to stay on the show. And so I think
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: she's probably the one that has, you know, maybe last
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: year people didn't feel they liked her as much, people
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: that are fans of the show. But I think she's
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: probably had the best arc.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: Probably, but the issue is there are so many cast
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: members that have to share screen time that it washes
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: over her. Because I would agree, that moment with her
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: and Jesse was probably one of the more powerful scenes
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: we've had this season. Yeah. But I completely forgot about
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: it because I'm too busy watching Brittany shit in a
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: diaper with her boyfriend that she has to pay to
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: pick up her meds that she's not even getting.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: You know? Because he's taking them. He probably did pick
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: them up. Who doesn't want a little Viking on a
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: slow Sunday? Jesus.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: Exactly. So it's just like, there's no, you know... And
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: I love the issues. There's so many people. So many
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: of them are so unlikable.
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: And the hard part is you have Michelle, who I
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: think would have had that hero arc if there wasn't
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: so many other people taking screen time.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: But then you also have.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: characters stars like Lala and Kristen Doty who I feel
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: like are also just being completely overshined because they don't
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: even get to really give us these good moments that
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: they would typically give us because whether you like Doty
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: or Lala and I know a lot of people feel
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: mixed about both of them but they're both great reality
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: stars that can can deliver good reality tv moments and
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: when you have too many people that are crowding them
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: then yeah you kind of lose those stars And Brittany,
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: I don't want to watch Brittany anymore. I'm so over
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: Brittany and Jax. And I just, I want to root
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: for Brittany for Cruz's sake. Because, like, you know, I
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: feel bad that Jax was, like, not the best husband
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: to her. But, like, I don't need to see her
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: go through this mommy makeover journey. With this boyfriend that's
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: clearly only with her for the show.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: He's gone now. Thank goodness. But one thing that I
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: thought was really interesting is, of course I follow Zach
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Peter and everybody should no filter with Zach is the
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: name of his podcast and YouTube and everything else. And
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: you did a Bravo hot take about how you feel
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: that Jack's really the love of his life was Stassi.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: And he never really got over that.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think he was the last woman that she,
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: that he, she was the last woman that he ever
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: really loved. And I think you can see that. And
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: I think the, The biggest tell sign, which kind of
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: clicked to me, was there was all that weird drama
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: over Stassi's wedding. Remember, he was talking crap about Bo.
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: He's talking crap about the wedding. They're saying that they're going,
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: but they're not really sure if they're going. And that
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: caused this big issue between Brittany and Jax with Stassi
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: and Bo because they were really pissed because they had
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: a scaled down wedding. And they had two spots that
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: they said they could have given to somebody else that
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: really wanted to be there. And Jax was talking shit
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: about the wedding for weeks. And I was like, it
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: didn't make any sense to me why Jax would even
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: care that much or why it was such a big
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: deal that they would have to go and whatever. And
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: I think it's because he still can't accept that he
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: lost her. I think he always loved Stassi. I think,
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: you know, she was difficult to deal with back then
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: when they were young, but as was he, but eventually
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: she grew up, she matured and she's, really in her element.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: Her career is at an all-time high. She has a
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: wonderful husband. She has two beautiful kids. She gets to
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: be the breadwinner. And that, I'm sure, is hard for
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: Jax to see when he has... And not that I
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: have anything against Britney personally, but the issue with Britney
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: is she was so insecure. And probably because she allowed
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: him to get in her head, where she was such
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: a beautiful woman when she came to Los Angeles... And
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: then here she is getting plastic surgery for him and
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: constantly having to defend him, cheating on her and him
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: being a jerk to everybody. Like she, Brittany is the
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: wife that you want because she will hold it down
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: for you and she will make sure the kids are
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: taken care of, the bills are paid. Like Brittany is
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: the wife that you want. It just wasn't the wife
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: that Jax wanted. And it didn't matter what Brittany did,
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: whether it was getting new boobs or going on Jenny
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Craig to lose all this weight to try and like
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: get him to choose her. He was just never going
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: to choose her. And I think because the last person
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: that he wanted was Stassi. And he tattooed her name
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: on his arm, and he was constantly trying to win
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: her back. But once she was done, she was done.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: I think it's a very interesting take. I don't totally agree.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: I think what happened was, I don't think he wasn't
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: over Stassi and didn't want to go to the wedding.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: I think he, like a lot of people, when they
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: commit to doing something, That's expensive going to Italy. They
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: were already, I don't know if they're already married, but
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: they already had a child.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't like she was going to be the
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: runaway bride. I mean, it was just like, they were
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: having a beautiful wedding. Clearly Brittany and he were probably
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: never in a good place since the baby was born. And, um,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: It seems like sex never got back on track, you know, whatever.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Life can change a lot no matter what when you
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: bring a child into it. They had special circumstances that
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: probably made it very difficult for his ego and everything.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: And so I think they weren't in a good place.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: He didn't want to spend that money. He was also
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: always stressed about the show. The show he was trying
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: to get off the air for a long time. And
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I think that's why he was also mean to Brittany
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: and when she wasn't feeling good, when her stomach was
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: always sick and he blamed it on alcohol because that
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: meant we might not be giving them good TV. And
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: if we don't give them good TV, then the show
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't stay. So get your fucking ass out of the
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: bed and start doing something, getting in a fight with someone.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: You in bed off camera isn't helping this without saying
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: it in front of the camera. And so he would
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: blame it on whatever else he could instead of just
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: saying like, Come on.
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: Because God forbid they're off TV again like they did
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: when they got fired from Vanderpump. Yeah.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see, you know, supposedly, you know,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Jack is sober. Supposedly he works with sober places. He,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: you know, is kind of coming back in my feed.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I see a little bit more. If he will ever
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: be at a level to kind of really reflect on
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: all this, truly. I don't think he's really been there yet.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: That could be really interesting. To hear from his perspective,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: if he ever gets to a place, of really what
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: he was thinking, what of his motivations, being that his
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: whole career has been reality TV for 20 years. And
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: he really was the number one guy in the group.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: And then he got canceled. Then he finally got this
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: other show back on. He got all these people... rolls
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: on it and then they in his mind turned against
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: him got him fired zach's like it's my show now
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: and um these like how that would be kind of
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: fucking annoying like none of you would be here for
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: with britney wouldn't be here if it wasn't for me
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: i brought her on the show like and that's why
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: when he said to lisa vanderpump this is my show
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: she's like excuse me it's not your show.
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: He was the face of the show which how how
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: well is her show doing now that they're all gone Yeah.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: Nobody's watching that Vanderpump Rules reboot.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I think it's smart that she's going
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: to Vegas.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: Start it fresh. I think that's a much smarter, yeah.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Call it something else.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Totally. It's going to kill.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: Because Lisa's a star. Lisa Las Vegas.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Lisa Las Vegas, great title. She can, you know, it'll
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: feel fresh, her mentoring other people. I had said it
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: like two years ago, why didn't they do that instead
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: of this reboot?
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Because I'm like, they're in Vegas. You could really, it's
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: like could be that That fresh Hollywood aspiration. They're all
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: working at the cocktail lounge, but they all come from
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: different places.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: One person, their mother was a cocktail waitress, but they
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: want more in Vegas. Another person is trying to be
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: a comedian. Another person is trying to be a singer.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Another person is a Cirque du Soleil hopeful. Another person
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: just wants.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: To be a showgirl.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Like if we followed, if they cast it right.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: And these people actually have relationships. I think it's so fresh.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: I just think the second round of Vanderpump just felt
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: like a parody of an old reality show from 2008.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: It just felt so unoriginal, even though it was new people.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: Reheated nachos. That's what I called it.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: It was just a plate of reheated nachos that just
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: was never going to work. But also, to your point, too,
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: Vegas still has that where you go to Vegas to
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: be a showgirl or to be a comedian.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Whereas L.A.
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: Doesn't have that Hollywood aspiration anymore.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: It just doesn't anymore.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: People want to come here to be influencers rather than,
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: you know, traditional entertainment. Yeah. And you don't need to
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: work at a restaurant to be an influencer anymore. You
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: could just go on OnlyFans and sell your butthole and
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: then you can make money off of doing that.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: So, you know, LA is just so different that you don't,
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: I don't believe the, sir, I'm a waitress.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: And I'm trying to launch my music video. Like it's just.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, when you read, when I read Stassi's, not Stassi's, sorry,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Sheeta's book.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: It was kind of sad because it was that it
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: kind of was there was nostalgia for the early 2000s
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: of where she was going, what she was hoping for,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: dating all these guys. Apparently, she has been banned from
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: the Lisa Vanderpump Hotel.
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Lisa will not forgive what she said in the book.
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Which basically, my recollection, all she said is that there
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: were times that Lisa would call her and be like,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: I need you to say this on camera today.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: I guess that's breaking the rule, how magic is revealed.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: To me, I didn't think it was that big of
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: a coup, but I guess it pissed off Lisa.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that seems to be a trigger point for
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: her because it's always when people accuse her of trying
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: to produce good TV that she gets sour about it,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: but it's like, but you produce good tea. Like, you
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: know how to be a good producer.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: Just like own that. And if people like, if anything,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: take it as a compliment.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: And essentially you are in that place. If you're in
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: the boss mother role. Yeah. You are telling them to
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: do things and you should do this. You should apologize.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: He looks like he might be a cute bloke for
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: you to date. Like there could, that's what it is.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: That's why it's going to work again. Hopefully in this other,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: I think it could be fun. Um, So I don't know.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: We'll see. There are rumors about the Valley and all that.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a hard watch. Okay. Summer House,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Amanda Petula won't be a part of Summer House. We
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: know West won't be a part of Summer House. Ciara
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: is doing this after show thing on the very popular
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Love Island, but it doesn't seem like people really watch
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: the after show. And that takes her on an island.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: So she's like not out and about walking in with
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: her hot body everywhere. But, of course, she wasn't going
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: to turn that down. I just don't think people care
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: about watching an after show when they have to watch
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: it every night, right? You have to watch Summer House
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: every night.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: Love Island.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Love Island.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: What did I say?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: You have to watch Love Island every night.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like it's already a big commitment. And then
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: to watch the after show, too. And I just don't
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: know if Sierra Miller is a strong enough name to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: pull people in. Yeah.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: Like Ariana Grande.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: Became a big name because Scandival was like huge and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: like Ariana somebody people wanted to root for was like
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: Summer House was not Vanderpump Rules right it didn't have
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: that cultural impact um and so the West and Amanda
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: scandal didn't really hit as hard um and so I
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: just yeah I don't think anybody's watching the Love Island
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: after show but so I yeah I don't know if
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: Sierra will be back or if she'll do cameos or
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: what she's gonna do but I mean if we lose
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: West Amanda and Sierra like What's even left for this show?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a lot of new people that
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: hopefully they, maybe they have some threesome. Maybe they have
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: the Kristen Doty, Tom Sandoval, Jax, and... Stassi, Foursome, that
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: was found. I mean, when they found those four, all
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: working at the restaurant together, have history, are dating, in
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: toxic relationships, all trying to be actors, all funny and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: great personalities. I mean, that was lightning in a bottle.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: So it's like maybe they have found some Like small
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: group of people that actually go to spend summers together
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: that all are like, we should be on the show. Like,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: This is what they should have done. You may disagree
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: with me because this is a hot take. I think
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: they should make this season of Summer House the farewell season.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: This is what I said they should have done after
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: Scandaval with Vanderpump Rules. Make it a shorter season so
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: that all of the cast members know this is our
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: last season. So I will come, I'll deliver. And my
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: commitment isn't very much because it's a limited amount of episodes.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: And we know we have to have a conclusion by
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: the end of filming. And I think that that's what
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: they should do with Summer House. Make it a shorter season.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: Focus it around Kyle because he's the Kyle and Lindsay.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: They're the anchors of the show. Bring back all the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: old legacy characters for cameos each episode.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: The work is twins. Steven... You know, all the former...
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: Paige and Hannah.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: Paige and Hannah would come back for one weekend in
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: the Hamptons to give, you know, to do a farewell season, right?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: You don't have to pay them a lot of money,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: you know, because they're really just doing one cameo and
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: they're doing it for the nostalgia, right? So marketing it
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: as the farewell season will get everybody to watch it,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: just like Vanderpump Rules. If they would have marketed this
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: as the final season of Vanderpump Rules, everybody would have
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: watched it, whereas so many people watched it reluctantly and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: hated it the entire time and then they scrapped it
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: after the season didn't perform as well.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: Bring everybody back. Do all the little legacy characters. You
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: can keep Amanda separate from Sierra, but you can have
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: them go in different weekends, have Kyle and Amanda have
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: some sort of resolution, and then use that to fade
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: Kyle and Lindsay and maybe Carl into this in the city.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: Promote in the city. People are not into the city, though.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: But they're trying to make it happen in the city.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: And in the city is not terrible, but to finish
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: the thought and then revamp summer house with a new
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: batch of kids that are, that are young, that are
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: not in their forties, that aren't married with kids, like
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: revamp that in a way.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: And I think you can revamp that.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: They have to be like between 25 and 33. They
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: just do. That's the time that you would do this.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't do it after that.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: I think, um, speaking of, do you think that is
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: the motivation for making a big 20th season of OC
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: because people believe that might be the mindset behind Real
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Housewives of OC.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: Is that they're going to reboot it?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: No, that this is goodbye.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, I think it should be. I think it's time.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: I think like, you know, the thing, the Housewives model
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: has gotten, because it's the same thing with Vanderpump Rules.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: It's like in 2012, it was exciting because you had
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: all these young kids that were moving to LA that
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: had to be bartenders and busboys in order to try
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: to make it on the side as a DJ, a musician,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: an actress, a comedian like Ariana. you know, whatever they
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: were trying to do at the time. And so that
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: worked for that model. But pretending that in 2026 or
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: 2025 that these kids still want to work at Sur
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: off of the Hollywood Boulevard Strip, like, you know, it just,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: it doesn't land as much anymore.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: But the Real Housewives of O.C. situation, they just had
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: like a, it's premiering the 20th. So they're bringing a
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: couple people back. Joe was on the red carpet. Joe
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: De La Rosa was season one. However, I think that
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: could happen only because these OGs are now making so
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: much money per season each time they get a bump up.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: So several of them are up to well over a million.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Some are getting close. Emily and Gina, who we think
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: are like newbies, are on their sixth or seventh year.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: I think longer.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: So it's a lot. They've been on a long time. Yeah.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, the Trace Amigas all make like
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: probably 1.5 million. So that's a lot of money. And
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: I think then when you go over to Real Housewives
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: of Rhode Island, which was all new people, which they
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: saw those people at 60,000 a season. And it was
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: such a hit.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: That I'm like, I and they see the Mormon wives
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: are hit. And I see there being a movement to.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: finding new people that are maybe late thirties, early forties
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: at a prime age where they can still give the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: network 10 to 20 years, but start them off in
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: a low salary. And like, so like, maybe it'll be
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: instead of OC, maybe it's going to be San Diego.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's going to be Santa Barbara. Maybe it's going
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: to be, you know, whatever, like, which.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: I think is smart. You need untapped Right. Like Rhode
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: Island was just so like nobody expected it.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: Even Salt Lake City. Like that was kind of unexpected
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: Whereas because like the fear is that they will just
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: reboot the current franchise. Right.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Like New York. Right.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: Nobody gives a shit about the reboot of New York.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: Like literally nobody cares. And nobody wants to watch this
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: new season because they brought back Carol Radziwill.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: Like nobody cares.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: But if you pick these new cities with these new
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: characters of women, because like you're not really having a
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: bunch of influencers in Rhode Island, but like in New York,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: you're kind of getting that vibe. And that's why I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: think a lot of those, like the Brins and the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: Jezzels didn't really land because they're so disingenuous because their
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: lives are the side, like their lives are lived through
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: a filter on Instagram that's so curated. Whereas, like, the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: Rhode Island girls were just, you know, these real down-to-earth
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: chicks that were willing to just give you everything and
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: make good TV.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: This Rhode Island girl, Liz, who was the Dolores lookalike. Yeah.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Who had a very juicy story and where her husband,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: she was a stepmother but with her husband for 20 years.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: She was in her late 40s or early 50s. She, uh.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Was rumored to be hanging out with this guy, Dino,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: who was a friend of the husband's. Saying like she
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: had an affair with him while the husband went deep
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: sea fishing for seven or eight months out of the year.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: She said, no, we're just friends. He's looking, he's starting,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: he's starting a trial for drug trafficking. And she, after
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: having a very entertaining season, just announced that As filming
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: for season two begins, I have made the decision to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: take a step back and focus on my family, my
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: work and my passions. Now she has a really good business.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: I believe business idea with her lookalike Dolores from New Jersey,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: which is a menopause gummy for menopausal women. I think
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: that's one of the best real housewives things.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: Menopause and gummies right now are two hot topics.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: And so I think at this point she is in
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: a place where she's using her brain. She's in a
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: vulnerable position to, uh, Put her family and her marriage
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: in a place that might not get to repair if
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: she does another season. So I think she's being really
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: smart in not doing it. Yeah. And maybe she didn't
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: enjoy the fame as much as she thought. That's the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: other thing. Maybe she was like, you know what? It
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: wasn't as fun as I thought. It's not worth it.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: She's really wealthy. Her house is amazing. Fucking stunning. Right
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: on the water. Like she doesn't need the money. And
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: this with the Dino and she just became a new
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: grandmother to the stepdaughter. Like, I just think she's like,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: forget it.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah. At some point you have to realize like it's
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: not worth it, you know, especially when you have so
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: much to lose. Like it's not worth putting and exploiting
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: your family on reality TV. Look at how many housewives
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: whose lives have been completely turned upside down. And, you know,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: it's sad to then watch that.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: And then, so this girl, Rula, and her podiatrist husband,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: he was having an affair the whole time with this
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: other woman that was part of his business. in which
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: they're in a lawsuit together because of NDAs, and she
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to tell that she was the mistress, but
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: then she was supposed to be the mistress. That girl
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: on the reunion, Joellen, who had a problem with Rula
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: because she let Rula know that the husband was cheating,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: and then she turned it around, like, stay out.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: Of our business.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: She was like, is this a Chanel bag that your
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: husband bought you? And she's like, no. She goes, exactly,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: because the mistress has been texting me, and this is
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: the Chanel bag that was bought, and this was the store,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: and blah, blah, blah. Is that your bag? And she's like, no.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: And she's like, hmm. So they're staying on the show.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: I think they have to stay on the show because
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: now both their individual businesses are probably at risk, so
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: the only way to keep afloat is to stay famous
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: at this point. But that mistress girl... clearly wants to
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: be on the show. It's like, put me in coach,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: put me in coach. She's still around though. I went
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: to her Instagram and she's not posting anything except about
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: her skincare laser business and like her kids. But, um,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: she's blonde, she's attractive. She's like in her forties as well.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: And so that's, I mean, that's why this was, that's
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: why this was juicy.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: They found good people. It was a good cast.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Um, Lizzo's Bitch album sells less than 6,000 copies in
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: its first week, and she's very upset about it. Why
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: do you think no one's buying Lizzo's new album? Though
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: I did hear one of the songs, and it sounded
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: like an AI something that you'd put together for a
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: kid's cartoon, but whatever.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: Well, she claims that people didn't buy her music because
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: radio is dying, and she was the radio darling. when
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: radio's been dead for like 10 years, number one, and
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: she's like, but like streaming ruined music.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: And I was like, how did streaming ruin music?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: When streaming, if anything, has made more stars because it's
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: so much more accessible to get your music and to become,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: with streaming and with TikTok and viral trends online and
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: all of that stuff, like you totally missed the mark.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: Because your marketing team did not do what they could
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: have done for you if you think that radio was
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: the way that you were going to promote this album.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: I just don't think her music was that interesting.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: I think it was what she represented.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: And some of those songs, like, you know, the way
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: she sang them and, you know, and that she didn't
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: look like every other pop star, that she was fuller figured,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: but she could still dance for two hours and play
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: the flute, and that she was just, you know, unapologetically she,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: and it was great. And I think in that time, again,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: it was perfect timing.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: And now with the influx of weight loss drugs... People
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: do want to walk around and like get what they want,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: which is fine. But then people will say, oh, it's
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: because she's thin. But I don't think that's it. I
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: just think she hit. Sometimes you have that peak and
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: you just cannot get back to it. Because she was
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: very funny on the Kevin Hart roast. She's been staying relevant.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: You know, she's been in our faces.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Looking good, doing her thing. I just, A, don't think
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: the album was very good. If she really had a
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: banger hit and, you know, but I just think people
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: bought into who she was and then those fans lost
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: interest and have left.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Just like, you know, teenagers don't have the same poster
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: in their room at 30 as they did at 13. Like,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: people move on and they're into somebody else and they
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: don't really come back to that person because it was
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: like an era of their childhood or teenagehood.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: When you make your entire identity being a big girl
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: and then you stop being a big girl, that can really.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: Turn on you.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: Look at Rebel Wilson. Look at Jonah Hill. Look at
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: Meghan Trainor. They built their identity on being I'm fuller figured.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: I'm confident. I'm healthy. I'm all of these things.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: So then there was like a level of aspirationalism to
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: them where people were like, oh, like she is body
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: positive and she is really confident and good for her.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: That's so empowering.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: And then the second they're given a drug to lose
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: the weight so fast, they just jump on it and
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: abandon that confidence that they had about embracing their body
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: and loving their body as is. And so I think
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: people feel like that's a bit disingenuous. I think with Lizzo,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: it was the perfect storm. I think, sure, radio made
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: it more difficult, but I just think the old traditional
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: PR machine that made musicians stars doesn't work anymore. Very
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: similar to Blake Lively's PR machine of how she was
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: trying to control the narrative when she was losing so
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: epically on social media because people now have different access.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: So I think the PR machine is old. I think
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: the fan base that she had that really looked up
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: to her for owning her body and being body positive
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: doesn't believe it anymore because it seems disingenuous and then
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: i think the lawsuit the lawsuit the sexual harassment.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Was really awful to her dancers and was like sexually
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: harassing them and body shaming them yeah and so i
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: think that they were i just think people get turned
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: off just like just like an old boyfriend. You're like,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not, you gave me the ick factor. I don't
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: want to date you again. You could come back around
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: three years later and I see you at Denny's. I'm
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: still not interested. And I kind of think that's it.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Like she was gone too long and she's not who,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: and also the songs of some of those people you
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: brought up, the lyrics were about that. It wasn't just like, whatever.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Cause it, it hasn't hurt Kelly Clarkson.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: And Kelly Clarkson's appearance has changed, but in her thing,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: it was like, She also got rid of an awful ex-husband.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: And she's also grown up and she's delightful and she
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: still sings beautifully. And, you know, and we're rooting for
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: her as a mom and everything else. So it's like,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's that. Jelly Roll, I do think
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: now there's this ickness about him now that we know
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: more about his relationship with Bunny. And then also the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: more you just hear that like her just saying like, yeah,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: I was still turning tricks to get him a lawyer to, to,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: so we can get custody of his daughter and, and help,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: you know, help, uh, his music and his music going.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: And then it's like, yeah, we were like fed. It's
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: just like when Woody Allen would do a movie where
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: a young girl would be dying to fuck him. And,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: and I'd be like, why would this 17 year old
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: be into this ugly 40 year old, skinny, gross guy.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: And by the end of the movie, I'm like, I
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: guess I could date Woody Allen. It's the same thing
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: by having beautiful bunny.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: With, unattractive jelly roll in every way. It was something like,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: I guess, you know, all around, like, I guess I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: could go for whatever. And then you realize like, he's
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: the one that left her and he's was cheating on her. And,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: and I don't think it has anything to do with
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: him losing weight now. I think like people are realizing.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: His singing isn't that good. Like, what was what were
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: we fed? Like, what were we fed? And you're just
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: you get the ick factor just like you would a
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: boyfriend with a artist and you will not go back
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: to them no matter what they do. That's what I
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: think some of these people are.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: Well, I agree.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: But I think the difference with Jelly Roll and Kelly Clarkson.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: It's their personalities and their actions that, you know, hooked
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: the audience, right? And that's why I think you can
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: still root for Kelly Clarkson. She never made her body
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: her identity, whereas Eliza and a Meghan Trainor or even
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: a Rebel Wilson, who was really heavy and she was
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  Speaker 5: really funny and she leaned into being, you know, that
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: type of comedic character. But then when you switch that
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: on people and they already have an idea of like
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: that's your identity, whereas like Kelly Clarkson, her talent and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: her personality were the two things that always shined. And
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: even with Jelly Roll, like there was like an aspirate.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think Bunny really did save his reputation
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: because there was nothing. I mean, he had good some
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: good music, but like he was not very attractive or interesting.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: To look at.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: So then he would go on stage and just, you know,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: guy women love when a man is. in public is
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: praising his wife and is the biggest hype man. And
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: then many of us didn't know the whole history of
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: their weird relationship. And then when we hear it, we're like, ew,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: and you dumped her in the end? Like, what the fuck?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, this has been so fun. Zach, tell everybody,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, where we can get more of your hot takes,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: unpopular opinions, popular opinions. where you have to fight people
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: in the comments for everything.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: Literally everything. No Filters with Zach Peters, my podcast. You
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: can follow me at Zach Peter on all the socials, X, TikTok, Instagram.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: But yeah, my podcast streams five days a week. So
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: you can listen to No Filters with Zach Peter. Lots
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: of hot takes. So if you want to fight in
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: the comments, come on in.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: And you, it's okay. You can disagree and still be
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: a fan and still be friends.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: And a lot of people actually do say that.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: They're like, listen, you say some things that piss me
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: off sometimes and I don't agree with you, but I
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: still really enjoy you.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And we all could do that as Americans. Happy
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: 4th of July. Happy Taylor and Travis wedding, July 3rd.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: So much things to look forward to this weekend, you guys.
• 1:19:36
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• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Bye.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: One reward.
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  Speaker 4: Endless choice. Skip the hassle, reward the easy way.