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Episode 12: Trevor Clark · Random Ass Dudes Podcast

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  Welcome to Rad Cast, the Random Ass Dudes podcast where
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  absolutely nothing's off limits. Hosted by two guys with no
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  script, no agenda and no clue what's coming.
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  New episodes come out weekly and here Chaos is.
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  Guaranteed. I had to hit record on that one
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  because we made a mistake last time where I didn't hit record
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  and then it's just it was a shit.
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  Show, yeah. Well, here we are back at it
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  man, where we take like a couple weeks off.
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  Took two weeks off. Yeah, we needed it.
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  Yeah, it was a lot, man. It was.
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  It's like, you know, at the beginning of this it's like I
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  was like, go, go, go, let's go, you know, balls to the wall.
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  But dude, it's so much work that goes into it, you know, that I
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  didn't even like realize. You know, I think it's big, you
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  know, starting anything new to try to keep it fresh.
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  Don't burn yourself out right away.
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  Yeah. Well, we were on the verge, but
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  we have so much going on. I mean, you know, you've got the
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  kids getting ready to start sports.
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  I mean, you see Sam back there saddling the horse, but she's
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  getting ready to train with Trev.
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  You know, we were at the rodeo last night.
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  You were out bucking bulls. Yeah.
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  How did that go? And you know, it's been a
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  whirlwind with the bull riding and I'm just thankful I finally
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  got one Rd. I was every other time I go been
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  riding lately, at least I'm like, I'm ready to hang it up.
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  And I'm like, dude, I'm not riding nothing.
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  And it's just not clicking. Nothing feels right.
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  And it just came around full circle for me.
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  And in terms of being gritty and just, you know, staying in it
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  even when it's real bad, you know, when you're not, when
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  you're even when you're not winning, just still believing,
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  keeping the mindset. And I was the biggest test for
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  me, I'd say, because for the longest time, you know, it was
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  a, a real battle in my mind. Well, I, I know.
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  So the last time we were out and watched you, you had a great
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  ride and then you were saying that you were struggling and you
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  felt like you're off. Last night when we talked before
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  you, you rode, there was a different Trevor there, right?
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  Like you were checked in, you were locked in ready to roll
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  even like you know, whether you know, people are paying
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  attention to your warm ups and stuff like that and not just
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  those of us watching the rodeo, but like other riders are
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  watching you do that. It it was neat to see you check
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  in last night and be like, no, I'm going to ride this some
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  bitch like we're. We're and that's that's just,
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  it's real simple. That's that's the only thing.
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  First off a bull riding. You got to keep it simple.
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  And that was my whole idea of going into it was you've been
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  here before, you've done this before.
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  Keep it simple. Don't come here and say all I
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  need to do this, this and this. Get in there.
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  Get your stuff set up. Yeah.
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  Warm up, you know, be in the moment.
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  So obviously, you know, talk, socialize, interact with the
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  other people, you know, talk about bull riding.
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  You're there to bull ride. And then just stay loose.
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  And, you know, I thought about the bull riding instead of going
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  in there like, like I'm playing football and I want to see all
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  the videos of this bull and who rode them and what he did this
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  trip and that trip. That's what I've been doing
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  right the thus far. And I hadn't wrote anything.
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  And so I was like, you know what, I'm going to go back to,
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  you know, bare minimum before I even knew how serious this Boren
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  was. You didn't know what you were
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  getting on. You just got on them and hope
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  for the best. And that's ultimately what I did
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  was like, look, dude, you get in here, bear down and and that's
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  it. Yeah, what was funny, though,
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  and you weren't there last night, but when they pulled the
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  chute, when they swam the door, he wasn't ready.
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  You know Trev? No, Trev talks with his.
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  He's very active when he talks. Very active, very loud, very
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  much the boss when I step over in the chute respectfully, as
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  you should be in I, I always go with the motto in the chute.
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  Go as slow as you can in a hurry.
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  Well, that the the guy I was at on the lives last night.
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  He's, he's worked a lot of events with me riding and he
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  knows my, my routine for the most part.
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  I just wish you'd have been paying a little bit more
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  attention. And I told him, you know, I
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  might have been upset if I didn't ride that bull.
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  So the fact that I rode them, I'm not going to really complain
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  too much. But I was taking my rap and
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  luckily I had the rope already real tight.
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  And as soon as I got that come around my hand and finally had a
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  full rap, the bull wanted to squat.
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  And so all us guys are trying to get this bull to stand up, and
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  I'm spurring them over his shoulder.
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  This bull just doesn't want to move.
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  And one of my buddies finally gets him to stand up a little
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  bit. And as I'm getting set, I'm
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  watching this gate just open up in my peripheral.
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  And I'm like, you know what, It's time to ride.
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  And it kind of made me just respond.
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  That's it. Like all I could do was react
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  and I wasn't. I'm just thankful I wrote them
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  because I'm not sure how that would have played out if I
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  didn't. It's like, it's like crazy
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  hearing your side of your ride, right?
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  Because I saw the video and you don't see that.
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  You don't see that in the video because it looked like you
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  obviously wrote it. So I was like it.
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  Didn't look like that in person. When he told us he wasn't
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  prepared, I was like, bro, you came out to shoot looking like
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  you were on fire and he's like you just responded.
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  Luckily, like I said, I was up on my rope and the way that bull
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  left, I had enough time to kind of get back to my hand.
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  But the way it all started out, I didn't, it didn't feel right,
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  you know, he he kind of jerked on me.
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  But nonetheless, it played out how I wanted to.
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  I mean, yeah, you want. That place went ape shit.
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  Yeah, you know my. Voice is struggling today over.
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  It and I went ape shit too and I hit the ground and icing on the
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  cake, I don't land on my feet very often.
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  Whether you know, obviously if you're getting bucked off,
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  you're probably you shouldn't be landing on your feet if you're
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  getting bucked off. But I hit the ground and that or
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  like you said, that place was electric.
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  Yeah, it was awesome. Did they have a buzzer?
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  I didn't. I didn't hear.
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  A buzzer airline. Oh God, I felt like it was late.
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  I thought there too. I felt like I rode that bull for
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  10 seconds. That's.
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  What I thought too. At one point we got near the out
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  gate, I felt him kind of stacking up a little bit and
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  bucking in the same spot and I'm just like, where is the horn?
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  And I finally heard it. Is that, uh, is that like a like
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  a thing that bull riders or bronc riders like you go past
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  the past the horn? You better.
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  Yeah. You know, you want to ride him
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  for 10. You don't want to get off right
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  at the horn and leave it up to the judges.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Did he ride him for 8? Did he not?
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  One guy has 7.9. The other guy on the other side
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  of the arena has got 8.1. Yeah.
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  And they're trying to figure out if they're going to give it to
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  you or not. Here with the mic real quick.
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  Appreciate it was it was. It was definitely a lot of fun
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  to watch and to see again, 'cause there were other riders
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  that that had that had rides that were qualified rides.
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  So and what, how, how many events had it gone?
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  No rides. Three, there's been three weeks.
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  It's been 3 weeks now for the Open division.
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  Same bulls, so different different livestock.
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  Don't mix the pin up. It's the same stock contractor.
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  OK, but as the weeks go on, like last week was completely what we
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  call a campaigner pin, like everyone that drew a bull should
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  have rubbed their bull. It was the exact opposite, polar
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  opposite. We all bucked off and and then
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  it's next week. She brought she brought a little
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  bit more heat this week and luckily I, I held on to 1.
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  But usually she'll mix the pin up and I think she goes based
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  off of, you know, the flow of the bull riders, you know who's
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  coming and who's winning. You know, if everybody's riding
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  everything well, she's going to start bringing some Eliminator
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  symbols that buck a little harder.
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  And you know, when stuff starts to die out, you know, she'll
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  bring something a little bit easier to ride.
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  But you know, I can't control that part.
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  Yeah, well, I think the second ride out went 68, right.
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  I think it was the second dude out went 68.
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  It was like 6864 and somebody later in the second round had a
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  62 and then he posted a 76 on what was it, Warlord?
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  Yes, Sir. Yeah, that was badass.
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  And I definitely not my favorite draw.
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  It's kind of funny how it played out because us guys were in the
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  back talking about, you know what bulls that she brought for
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  the day. And you know, this is before the
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  draw come out. We're sitting there like, you
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  know, what do you want to draw? And I'm like, dude, I want Kit
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  Kat so bad. I get Kit Kat, I'm going to pay
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  window. Like I'm telling everybody like
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  I need Kit Kat, eat Kit Kat. And then they're like, yeah,
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  man, honestly, all of them are cool.
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  You just don't want that warlord bull, you know, he's all over
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  the place and he's terrible in the shooting.
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  I'm like, yeah, I never been on. I'm not, you know, I wasn't
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  thinking nothing of it. Not even 5 minutes later, the
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  draw comes out. Warlord Trevor Clark.
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  And I'm like, lovely. And that's how it goes
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  everywhere every like at least lately.
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  And honestly, I just might as well be ready for it to happen
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  here on I'm going to draw what I Don't want.
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  And you just got to face your fear, in a sense.
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  Do you do you always have to wait for the draw draw or can
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  you guys volunteer on what bulls to pick?
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  No, you you. You always have to wait for the
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  draw, at least when it's for the money.
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  There is an event called CCT and the CCT bull ridings.
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  It's set up to where you get to come in and pick your bull, and
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  that's based off of a ranking system on who gets to pick first
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  and whatnot. But there's different ways they
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  go about it. But usually if you're riding for
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  money, it's completely a draw. Yeah.
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  How long, How long have you been?
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  How long have you been a bull rider for?
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  Bull riding, I say, taking it serious about four years.
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  About four years, yeah. What is it?
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  Like what? Why?
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  What's your? Starting out just cowboying, I,
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  I grew up on my uncle's ranch in California and I got, I only
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  got, the only time I got around horses and cattle was in the
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  summers. You know, it was three months
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  every year. And I went one year when I was
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  nine years old. It was Thanksgiving weekend and
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  we go out there and I was at my uncle's ranch and I'm watching
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  him feed and I'm watching just how, you know, I could see the
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  energy and the aura coming off my uncle at such a young age.
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  I'm like, dude, he's just, he's living the dream.
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  And the day I got out of school that summer, I went out to his
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  house and didn't come home till the day I have to be back in
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  school. And I just kept doing it year
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  after year after year. And then I got to high school
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  and I kind of got, you know, lost and drifted off into the,
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  you know, the typical high school lifestyle.
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  And I was playing football, playing all types of sports.
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  And, you know, I always loved I still had a passion for the
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  lifestyle, but I didn't it wasn't right there in front of
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  me. I had too too much stuff going
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  on. And I went and played college
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  football and that didn't end very well.
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  You know, I kind of just died out and gave up on that dream.
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  And for a while, I just wasn't happy at home.
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  You know, I just felt like I was getting up, go to work, go home,
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  do it again. And it was just getting old
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  quick. And I was like, you know,
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  there's there's got to be something bigger, more.
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  And I need some fun in my life. And it just so happened that
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  later on and as the timeline went by, Fast forward to 2020, I
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  was hanging out one of my buddies the regular day and I
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  ended up getting shot in the face.
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  And this is one of my best friends at the time that tried
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  to kill me. And at that moment, it really
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  took me to a real dark place. Like I didn't want to leave the
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  house. I just stayed in my room.
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  And I'm, I'm the type of person to just go outside, just to be
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  outside, just sit outside and just look at the sky.
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  I got, I got a cold time out here.
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  You got to go back to it. You have to, you have to go back
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  to that story. OK.
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  Let's go on. Let's go on.
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  A little side you just kind of pass by.
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  Yeah, shot in the face. It's been a little bit of time
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  and a lot of people, you know, they hear me say that and I just
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  kind of breeze passing. I'm not avoiding it.
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  We can talk about it. We can go completely in depth,
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  detail by detail. But at the time I, I was, I had
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  a buddy that we were tight since freshman year high school.
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  And when I started driving, it was like I picked him up from
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  school every day, all that type of stuff.
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  And we never really had any situations where it was like
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  where we got beef or we're not, we're not cool right now.
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  It was never nothing on that big of a scale.
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  And one day just hit me up to hang out.
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  It was later in the night and we went for a ride and it was kind
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  of stale. You know, the energy is just
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  wasn't right in the car. But this is, like I said, one of
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  my bestest friends. So I'm putting it right past and
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  I'm like maybe he's just having a bad day.
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  And we decided we're going to go to one of my other buddies
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  houses and we're pulling in and I'm telling this guy like where
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  to park. He's never been in this buddies
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  house, he's never been in. He's stalling, he's missing each
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  parking spot. He's going like 5 miles an hour.
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  And I'm like, you know, still like I'm like, dude, park here,
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  park here. And he's like I And then we
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  finally get about 40 yards pass where I'm telling him to park
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  and he's like, I just want to talk to you before we go
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  upstairs. And I'm like, everything all
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  right, You know, I'm super high energy all the time.
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  I'm like, everything all right, what's going on?
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  Everything's good. No, everything's fine.
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  And I'm like, OK, well, we can talk upstairs.
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  He's like, all right. And I'm in the passenger seat.
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  So I grabbed my, I think I got an Arizona tee or something like
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  that. I grabbed it, closed the door
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  and I'm walking in the front of the hood and if I'm in a
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  driver's seat he just props the door and reaches through the
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  driver's door jamb and just shoots me holy.
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  And this bullet goes straight through my jaw, shatters it and
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  I get up and I'm running down the street or not down the
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  street, but down this apartment like parking lot.
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  And I run. I probably, you know, I used to
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  play football. I probably ran A4240 that day.
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  And as I'm running, he's still shooting.
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  There's flames coming out of this gun.
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  And I'm, you know, literally running for my life at this
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  point. And I turned the corner and my
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  other buddies coming down the stairs and he's like, dude, do
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  you hear any shots? And I got my hands on my face
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  and I play around way too much. I learned after the fact that
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  day because he's looking at me and he's like stop playing and
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  I'm like dude, I moved my hands and the blood just was
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  everywhere. Just just kept on coming out.
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  And that's when I started freaking out a little bit.
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  But I never passed out throughout the whole situation.
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  Like I remember every bit of it and it felt like forever for the
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  ambulance to get there and stuff like that.
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  But they came and took care of me.
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  I was home in 2 1/2 days. That's wild.
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  Yeah, that surgeon I was, I got in the hospital that night and
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  that morning at 4:00 AM, they come in and he woke me up and
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  was like, hey, buddy, we're going to surgery.
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  I'm going to fix you up. And I went into surgery for
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  about 3 hours. And when I come out, I couldn't
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  open my mouth. I was, I was wired shut.
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  And this is how I was talking for six weeks.
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  And. So after after he shot you and
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  you ran, you got to your buddy's house?
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  Did he just leave? He so as I was running, he was
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  pulling out of the parking spot and like headed out, but he's
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  still firing. And so to my knowledge, he
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  exited because once the everyone knew what was going on, they
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  couldn't find him. Police couldn't find him.
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  And I heard a helicopter at one point.
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  And I mean, what were they really going to look for?
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  They hadn't talked to me. They didn't know what vehicle
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  he's in or what direction he's going, None of that.
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  I apologize. You said that over there.
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  Oh, you're good. But you know, there was, there
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  was in that moment from when I ran to turning in, in that
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  ambulance, you know, there was. I'm telling you guys, it felt
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  like an eternity, like there was so many thoughts going through
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  my head. At one point it felt like my
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  mouth was gone. And then I ended up running up
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  the stairs. Once I turned the corner, I ran
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  up the stairs past my buddy after the initial.
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  Did you hear the gunshots? And I, you know, once he
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  realized that I was shot, I'm telling him to call someone.
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  He was in complete shock, like just frozen.
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  And I ran up past him into his apartment and licked in the
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  mirror. And to my understanding, I'm
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  just shot through my cheeks. And I thought, you know, stitch
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  here, stitch here and I'd be OK, but I still the, the pain was
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  just insane. Like my tongue, the bullet went
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  straight through my tongue. It was split in half like this.
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  And I didn't know that. So I'm, I'm running around
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  talking and it's getting harder and harder for me to be, you
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  know, for you to understand what's coming out of my mouth.
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  And, but that was a very humbling experience nonetheless.
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  I wasn't, I feel like I wasn't doing anything wrong.
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  You know, it wasn't like I, you know, deserved it or anything
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  like that. To this day, I don't know why he
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  did it and they did. But did he get caught?
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  He got caught. Oh, yeah, they, they caught him
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  about a week and a half later. The Sheriff's Department calls
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  me at like 2:00 AM and it's right there on the caller ID
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  sheriff's. And they let me know like they
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  had had him in custody and whatnot.
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  And, you know, asked me if I wanted to be present for any of
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  these hearings and moving forward.
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  And obviously I was pressing charges, but I didn't care to
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  really be in person. There's nothing that I was going
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  to change, but I was in attendance through all the Zoom
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  calls and whatnot. And the process didn't go
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  exactly how I wanted it to. And had I, I feel like if they
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  would have listened to the victim much more, I feel like it
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  could have been a better outcome.
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  You know, that guy got 3 1/2 years.
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  He does his time, which I thought was BS.
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  It's a slap on the wrist and. It was like his intent was to
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  kill you. I mean you shoot someone in the
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  face and then shoot 6 more times.
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  That's not an accidental fire or anything.
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  Like and as they're running away.
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  Point blank range. I mean, there's so many
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  variables to it. And and then after the fact he
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  did that time. And to my understanding, he's
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  being tried for murder right now.
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  He was, he wasn't even out, I want to say 30 days after, after
• 18:54
  serving the time for what he did to me.
• 18:56
  And like I said, to this day, I don't know why.
• 19:00
  And I have I had to accept that sometimes you won't ever get
• 19:06
  that closure for a lot of things.
• 19:08
  And that's OK. You know, the, you know,
• 19:11
  everyone's asked me do do you forgive him?
• 19:13
  And I'm like, sure. And and they think I'm crazy for
• 19:16
  saying that, but in reality, forgiveness isn't for me.
• 19:20
  Forget, I mean, forgiveness isn't for him.
• 19:22
  It's it's completely for me. It's so that I can get over it.
• 19:25
  If I can't just get past it, I'm it's going to eat me alive every
• 19:28
  day. And he still wins.
• 19:31
  And ultimately, you know, I got the fact that I'm still
• 19:35
  breathing is enough for me to know.
• 19:37
  Like you don't need to know why that you, you're, you're still
• 19:41
  here. You have a purpose.
• 19:42
  And dude, the Sky's the limit. And that right there is what
• 19:46
  sparked bull riding for me. Like I've been, I'm like, dude,
• 19:51
  you, you, you don't do anything that you love anymore anyway,
• 19:54
  You stop playing football. Why don't you go rodeo?
• 19:57
  What do you have to lose? You just got shot in the face
• 20:00
  and I got on one bull and that day I showed up those I had no
• 20:06
  bull riding gear. I I went around and borrowed a
• 20:08
  helmet from this guy, a glove from that guy, some spurs from
• 20:12
  the other guy in the corner and pretty soon I had all the gear
• 20:15
  to ride but. Everyone's calling me Mr. No
• 20:20
  Gear for forever in the in the, in that little bull riding
• 20:23
  community, but that's probably one of the best decisions I
• 20:27
  made, you know, but. You like fully invested in it,
• 20:32
  right? Because like you not, you don't
• 20:33
  just because I learned a lot from you just from talking about
• 20:36
  bull riding because of Drake and all that.
• 20:38
  Yes, Sir, You don't just bull ride like you go and help train
• 20:41
  bulls to bull ride, right? Oh, yeah.
• 20:43
  So let me go rewind to how I when I first got started bull
• 20:50
  riding, at least the same day I got on that bull, I, I end up
• 20:53
  meeting Charlie Sampson, one of the greatest bull riders to ever
• 20:56
  do it. And it's the equivalent of
• 20:59
  LeBron James walking up on you in that random gym and just
• 21:02
  saying, hey, buddy, are you are you good at this game or you
• 21:05
  just throwing the ball at the hoop?
• 21:07
  And that's what he basically said to me.
• 21:09
  He's like, are you getting on them or are you riding them?
• 21:12
  And I was like, I guess I'm just getting on them.
• 21:13
  He's like, well, you need to learn how to ride them.
• 21:15
  And he's like, why don't you come to Wyoming and work, work
• 21:19
  on my buddy's ranch. And when we're not working, I'll
• 21:21
  give you some lessons. That dude put me on Charlie, put
• 21:26
  me on probably 60 bulls in a 50 day span.
• 21:30
  I mean, just ran them straight under me in in Cody, WY and it
• 21:35
  jump started bull riding for me very fast.
• 21:38
  I was banged up, but it really taught me how to, you know,
• 21:42
  handle like the bullet from last night, that bull sitting in
• 21:44
  there squatting and, you know, playing mind games is what I
• 21:47
  call it. And he taught me how to handle
• 21:49
  that stuff. And that's the biggest thing is
• 21:52
  the mental side of it. You know, there's a lot of
• 21:54
  physical stuff going on, but I still feel like that whole time,
• 21:58
  it's still a mental game. Like you, it's all that bad
• 22:02
  bulls trying to trying to, you know, psych you out and you're
• 22:04
  trying to stay calm. But when I first had got
• 22:08
  started, I went and went to Wyoming with Charlie.
• 22:14
  And after that, it just so happened I got a job in
• 22:17
  California at the Flying U Rodeo Company and Charlie's rodeo
• 22:23
  buddy from back in the day and his was working at Flying U at
• 22:27
  the time. Rest in peace, Miko.
• 22:28
  We actually lost him this year. But one of the other great
• 22:33
  Cowboys that was a bull rider in the 80s and the 90s.
• 22:38
  And at Flying U they have 1500 bucking horses and 1500 bucking
• 22:43
  bulls. And they they breed everything
• 22:46
  from the ground up. You know, it's the board of the
• 22:48
  buck program and at that place, you know, you get, you have to
• 22:52
  work 15/20/25 bull calves. And it starts out with, you
• 22:57
  know, we bring them in off pasture and they have so much
• 23:00
  pasture. These bulls ain't seen daylight
• 23:03
  in, I mean, haven't seen humans six months a year.
• 23:08
  You know, they come in and they're snorting and they're
• 23:10
  mean and they're wild. And I'm sitting there like,
• 23:13
  dude, I, it's my third day at work.
• 23:15
  You want me to walk in this pen right now?
• 23:17
  Like, no, I'm cowboy, but I ain't that cowboy.
• 23:21
  But it really made me a better bull rider because I, I was
• 23:25
  doing everything that the stock contractors are doing when we're
• 23:28
  getting ready to ride. You know, I didn't see what it
• 23:31
  was like before that bull stood for you in the chute.
• 23:34
  You know, you go up to a stock contractor.
• 23:36
  Does that bull stand? And then you go and work behind
• 23:39
  the scenes and you're like, man, it takes a lot to get a bull to
• 23:42
  just stand for somebody. And so when I went to flying
• 23:46
  you, I would work, like I said, 1520 of them in a set we just
• 23:50
  wrote on. You might touch 80 bulls in a
• 23:53
  day and you're putting a dummy on them and you're getting them
• 23:56
  gentle the same way you start a horse.
• 23:58
  You know, you want to get them gentle and get them desensitized
• 24:01
  to a lot of stuff. Let them know you're not going
• 24:03
  to hurt them. And, and then we put a dummy on
• 24:06
  their back. It's like an 8 LB dummy and it
• 24:09
  has a little switch on it. And you let that bull go out
• 24:12
  there and buck and you know, they go out there 1-2 jumps and
• 24:16
  they, they might spin to the left.
• 24:17
  When they spin to the left, we'll pop the dummy and they
• 24:20
  start to get in their minds like, oh, I just when I, when I
• 24:24
  went out there and spun, I got that thing off my back.
• 24:27
  And now the next time we buck and we might let him spend 2
• 24:30
  times and then pop that dummy. Pretty soon the bull builds that
• 24:33
  confidence. You know, it's the same way you
• 24:36
  a horse learns from the release. So do the bulls, you know, they
• 24:40
  learn, OK, this is my job and they start to like it.
• 24:44
  You know, when you see a bull go up there and, and kick out, you
• 24:47
  know, they, they're loving their job.
• 24:49
  And, and so that definitely was a, a, a strong part of, you
• 24:54
  know, helping me develop in, in, in the bull riding for sure.
• 24:59
  Dude, that's awesome, man. Yeah, I like, I never even
• 25:01
  realized that. I just thought that you guys got
• 25:04
  bulls and you got on them and just started riding them.
• 25:07
  I didn't know you guys put those automatic dummies on there and
• 25:10
  we're actually training these bulls to buck and then to even
• 25:13
  go into the shoot, right? Oh yeah, and the American
• 25:17
  bucking bull is its own breed. Really, really.
• 25:20
  So you know, you got your, your Angus, your Herefords and your,
• 25:25
  your, your Brainis and whatever you want to call it.
• 25:28
  And the American buck and bowl is, is its own.
• 25:31
  You know, you can't make a bull buck.
• 25:34
  It's either in you or it's not sending with horses.
• 25:36
  There's horses that are bred to buck and there's saddle horses
• 25:40
  and a lot of them, like I said, they, they, they have to have it
• 25:45
  or they don't. It's just, that's just, that's
• 25:48
  all there is to it. It's all genetics when it comes
• 25:50
  down to it. We can help them a little bit,
• 25:52
  you know, we can teach them how to, how to buck and how to jump
• 25:55
  and how to turn left and right. But ultimately, it's all it's
• 25:59
  all up to them. Yeah, Dang, dude.
• 26:03
  Now we got him training horses out here.
• 26:05
  Yeah. We're putting Trev.
• 26:06
  To work. It's crazy because I really, I,
• 26:11
  I used to always tell my uncle I never wanted to be a horse
• 26:13
  trainer. I never wanted to like that to
• 26:15
  be my title, just because you have to be a different kind of
• 26:20
  person to really want to just train horses.
• 26:23
  Like you have to be obsessed. And I'm not going to say I'm not
• 26:26
  obsessed, but if I look at my Uncle Don and you say he's
• 26:31
  obsessed, then ask yourself, are you obsessed?
• 26:33
  I'm like, no, there's no way. You cannot, can't compare to
• 26:36
  that guy. He's getting up before the sun.
• 26:39
  You're that rooster over there. Now.
• 26:42
  He was getting up when that rooster was making that sound,
• 26:45
  but when the sun was just on the horizon and I mean, just didn't
• 26:50
  come in until 10:00 at night. And it was all horse, horse,
• 26:53
  horse, horse. And it was cool for me as a kid
• 26:56
  for the first week of the summers.
• 26:58
  And then I hated it. And it was like, do I want to go
• 27:00
  home during this day? Don't want to go home on this
• 27:02
  day. Then we go to a horse show in
• 27:04
  two weeks. And I'm like, yeah, I want to
• 27:06
  stay. Yeah.
• 27:07
  But, you know, as a kid, that's the hardest part is to figure
• 27:11
  out. Like, you know, you want to do
• 27:12
  the fun part. You want to show the horses, you
• 27:14
  want to go to the rodeos. But then there's all this other
• 27:17
  stuff that comes with it and, you know, being a horse trainer,
• 27:22
  you know, I don't even consider myself a horse trainer.
• 27:24
  You know, I definitely can train a horse.
• 27:26
  But my uncle was a horse trainer.
• 27:28
  Yeah. You know, I'm.
• 27:29
  I'm someone who trains horses, but I'm not a horse trainer.
• 27:32
  Yeah. And one day maybe I'll be a
• 27:36
  horse trainer. There's so much in this world
• 27:38
  that you got to learn. And every day when I think I
• 27:42
  haven't figured out, I don't. Yeah.
• 27:44
  And you know, it really is a love, hate and a give and take
• 27:48
  when it comes to. This well, you're training an
• 27:50
  animal that has like his brain is like the size of a walnut or
• 27:55
  something, right? Yeah, it's not very big.
• 27:57
  Yeah, and they're like freaking powerful, man.
• 27:59
  Yeah, so. That's awesome.
• 28:01
  And he was a handful when we brought him home.
• 28:03
  Oh man, he was about as feral as it gets.
• 28:05
  Feral, you know, and I was, and it's funny, Nate sends me this
• 28:09
  horse and he's like, what do you think of this?
• 28:11
  And I'm like, let's go get him. And I get there and I'm like,
• 28:14
  gosh, dude, you look, you look bad.
• 28:17
  Like he just looked way off. And this guy that's selling them
• 28:21
  is talking him up. And no offense to that guy, but
• 28:24
  he just didn't for me if I'm selling the horse on him to look
• 28:26
  a little better than what he given him to us for.
• 28:29
  But I definitely have my stipulations.
• 28:33
  And I was very skeptical with that horse.
• 28:35
  But you know, we get him, we get him home and he seemed like he
• 28:41
  was settling in pretty good. And I want to say like second or
• 28:43
  third day, he heads for that out gate.
• 28:46
  And I mean, just nails it, puts the puts a nice curve on it.
• 28:51
  We had ten of those panels, we'd have a round pen right now.
• 28:54
  And but after that, I mean, I think that was a great attitude
• 28:58
  check for him because after that it's been nothing but just, I
• 29:03
  mean, of course we have bad days, but it's been great.
• 29:06
  You know, every day, you know, we get better and better.
• 29:08
  We're building on it and it's the same as when you guys do
• 29:12
  this podcast. I'm like, dude, I'm just getting
• 29:14
  started doing them on my own and my uncle ain't here standing
• 29:17
  over my shoulder to show me how to do this every day.
• 29:19
  It's been Trevor with that one. And I kind of like it that way
• 29:25
  because I can, I can kind of manage how much or how less I'm
• 29:30
  going to do without overdoing it.
• 29:32
  And we didn't jump in and say, let's get 5 of them and try to
• 29:35
  try to roll through them. Like let's get one and we'll see
• 29:39
  how how quick we can get him going and how how smooth this
• 29:42
  development is. And now I'm enjoying the
• 29:45
  process. And now I'm starting to realize
• 29:47
  everything I said I wouldn't do. I end up doing it, you know,
• 29:50
  and. You do it well.
• 29:51
  I, I, I appreciate it out there. I, I mean, where he's at today
• 29:55
  versus where he was at when we brought him home, Yeah.
• 29:58
  Well, I mean at the end of the day though is like you are 9 to
• 30:02
  5, right? You have a day job, right.
• 30:06
  And then after that, I mean, in a sense you're kind of doing
• 30:09
  what your uncle's doing, right? Like you're up.
• 30:11
  Early in the morning and you're out there.
• 30:13
  Busting your ass and you crazy come over here and you fucking
• 30:16
  working on horses and it's like and.
• 30:18
  It's sometimes till 1010 thirty, yeah, sometimes 11:00 at night,
• 30:22
  right? Just depending on how your day.
• 30:23
  Goes and it's crazy you said that about my uncle because the
• 30:26
  same those all those long days I had as a kid where I just could
• 30:29
  not figure out I'm like, dude, what could we possibly be doing
• 30:33
  now? It is 930 everything's fed.
• 30:36
  Why are we working on this fence in the dark like it never it so
• 30:40
  much That didn't make sense to me.
• 30:42
  And I was riding that red horse down the road in the dark just a
• 30:47
  couple days ago and I was just smiling to myself and I was
• 30:50
  like, it makes sense. Now I see why my uncle, you
• 30:55
  know, was so big on taking pride in what he was doing.
• 30:58
  He didn't care about where the clock was at time was
• 31:00
  nonexistent in his brain for the most part.
• 31:03
  Like he just rolled with whatever was happening in the
• 31:07
  moment. He stayed in the moment and was
• 31:10
  passionate about it. And instead of worrying about
• 31:12
  all I, I spent this much time here and in this much time here,
• 31:16
  No, just focus here and, you know, be, be locked in with
• 31:20
  these horses because you, you'll get a different aspect and
• 31:23
  different connection with him. And some of those sessions where
• 31:27
  I really didn't want to come out here and it was late at night
• 31:29
  with the best sessions I had with that horse.
• 31:32
  And that's what I feel like the true grind is, is when you don't
• 31:38
  want to do it, when you're tired and when you've been at it 1416
• 31:42
  hours, that's when you start winning.
• 31:44
  Well, some of your best rides have been with nobody watching.
• 31:47
  Nobody. You know what I mean?
• 31:48
  Yeah, it's just me, him and the dark, and we'd be out here in
• 31:52
  the lights and I'm like. I mean, we're watching on the
• 31:55
  cameras inside while we're laying in bed and you're out
• 31:57
  here working. 11:00 But I hate doing that.
• 32:02
  Benefits of not being the horse trainer.
• 32:05
  Sam. Hey, Sam.
• 32:05
  He's just doing that wrong. I don't know what he's doing
• 32:07
  right now. We're we're in there watching,
• 32:09
  going. Like I remember there was one
• 32:11
  night that Red just, he was just on one.
• 32:15
  Yeah, we were watching and like, should we go out there?
• 32:18
  And I was like, if he comes off, we'll go out, I said.
• 32:21
  But let's see what. Let's see what happens from in
• 32:24
  here and. It's a better hand than you,
• 32:26
  right? My body don't recover the way
• 32:29
  his does. Yeah, I'm a little older.
• 32:31
  I'll tell you what though, after like starting to get on bulls,
• 32:34
  that's another thing. I wish I would have struck the
• 32:36
  iron earlier because I don't recover the same.
• 32:40
  Like how old are you? I'm 2525 and at 18 when I play
• 32:45
  football, I play running back and I've never been the bigger
• 32:48
  guy on the field. Yeah, I used to get, I mean dirt
• 32:51
  roll about £300 D lineman all day long and take a ice bath on
• 32:56
  on a Saturday and be good by Sunday.
• 32:59
  Now it's like I hope by Wednesday I can shake this
• 33:02
  soreness. Are you are you born and raised
• 33:04
  in Arizona? Born and raised in the concrete
• 33:07
  jungle of Phoenix. Yeah.
• 33:08
  Oh yeah. What high school did you go to?
• 33:10
  I end up going to Apollo. Apollo.
• 33:12
  Yes, Sir, I went to Apollo and graduated in 2018 and both my
• 33:17
  older brothers actually went to follow.
• 33:19
  I'm the youngest of three boys. Are you the only boy that's
• 33:23
  cowboy? I am the black sheep.
• 33:26
  I mean, they have no idea. I mean, they, they have no
• 33:31
  interest in this world at all. You know, they, they all of us
• 33:34
  got a chance to go to my Uncle Don's aunts and, you know, see
• 33:37
  it. And I mean, they'd enjoy the
• 33:39
  weekend, but they're all right. It stinks.
• 33:41
  I got poop on my boots or whatever.
• 33:44
  And they just, you know, whatever it was, they were over
• 33:46
  it. They didn't really take the
• 33:47
  interests like that. And you know, my dad grew up in
• 33:50
  Arkansas. My dad had 99 brothers and three
• 33:53
  sisters. And, you know, I always tell
• 33:56
  people I got old blood because my dad's parents were
• 34:00
  sharecroppers and my dad's grandmother was released out of
• 34:03
  slavery. Yeah.
• 34:04
  So I'm not very far out of very, very old school tradition.
• 34:07
  Yeah, from the South. Huh.
• 34:09
  Yes, Sir. The dirt.
• 34:09
  The Deep. South, Yeah, yeah.
• 34:11
  Deep South. And I think that's a big part of
• 34:16
  who I am. You know, in high school they
• 34:17
  called me Uncle Trav. They said like, dude, you're
• 34:20
  just like someone's uncle. You're always like trying to
• 34:22
  get. That old soul in you like?
• 34:24
  Grandpa Drake, but. Yeah.
• 34:26
  Oh, literally. Yeah, but I wouldn't change it
• 34:32
  for nothing, you know, I think I have a very unique upbringing
• 34:35
  and I wish every, every kid got an opportunity to see everything
• 34:41
  I got to see, you know? Is your is your dad and your
• 34:44
  uncle? What's his name?
• 34:45
  My Uncle Don. My Uncle Don is my dad's older
• 34:47
  brother, OK? Yes, Sir.
• 34:48
  All right. So did your dad ever have any
• 34:51
  interests in the Western? Lifestyle my dad said, you know,
• 34:53
  once my dad turned 18, I mean once my dad was grown, I should
• 34:57
  say his his little brother, my Uncle Jesse was in the NFL and
• 35:03
  my doubt they were buddies. They were tight.
• 35:05
  And so when he got Uncle Jesse got drafted, my dad was with him
• 35:08
  just about every team he went to that was just like his right
• 35:11
  hand man. And when the Saint Louis
• 35:14
  Cardinals moved to Arizona, my Uncle Jesse was on that team.
• 35:17
  And Uncle Jesse ended up retiring with the Arizona
• 35:21
  Cardinals once they had converted.
• 35:23
  And my dad said out at all the states, my uncle was was let me
• 35:30
  rewind. He was drafted by the Packers
• 35:33
  and went to the Vikings and then the Lions and then the
• 35:36
  Cardinals. And after nine seasons, he
• 35:40
  retired here in Arizona. And my dad was like, what all
• 35:43
  the places we've been, I think I like Arizona the best.
• 35:46
  And that's when he started his family here.
• 35:49
  And that's obviously how I got here.
• 35:52
  Yeah. All of my family's in the South
• 35:54
  and my mom's from Michigan. Yeah.
• 35:56
  And. And so I got family just about
• 35:59
  everywhere. When my grandfather on my dad's
• 36:02
  side passed away in the not even.
• 36:07
  I want to say, I want to say they told me the year 2000, he
• 36:11
  had 72 grandkids. Damn.
• 36:14
  Holy. So shoot, we.
• 36:15
  I got family. I probably will never.
• 36:18
  I never even know he had 13 kids.
• 36:22
  I mean I would hate to be your ancestry account man.
• 36:25
  Yeah, right. Yeah, right.
• 36:26
  They're going. To be cancelled work thing.
• 36:28
  Thing, thing, thing, thing. Yeah.
• 36:30
  And I mean, like, I was trying to do the math and I'm like,
• 36:33
  well, he had 13 of them. You know, if you average 3 to 4
• 36:36
  apiece and then they're kids. Yeah, I guess you're up there
• 36:40
  pretty quick. Oh, yeah.
• 36:41
  But I think it's really unique. You know, I run in a family all
• 36:45
  the time when I go down South and they're like, what's your
• 36:48
  last name on it? Just in town?
• 36:49
  And I'm like, Clark. Oh, yeah, you do look like
• 36:52
  Clark. You got those Clark eyebrows and
• 36:54
  you got the stature. And it just, you know, I know I
• 36:57
  knew this person and your grandfather.
• 36:59
  And it makes me, it always reminds you like somebody's
• 37:03
  always watching, you know, And and that's what, you know, true
• 37:08
  character is. And that's what I try to focus
• 37:10
  on is, you know, having, you know, doing the right thing when
• 37:14
  no ones watching. You know, for a while I didn't
• 37:16
  even know you guys had that camera over there, but I was
• 37:19
  like, you know what, like right on.
• 37:20
  Like it didn't bother me, but someones always watching.
• 37:24
  And I try to lead by example as much as I can because I, you
• 37:30
  know, there's even Drake, you know, there's so many people
• 37:33
  that you don't even realize you can have an influence on.
• 37:36
  Oh yeah, Oh yeah. Just by, you know, what you're
• 37:39
  saying, what you're doing. And so you always want to, you
• 37:42
  know, put your best foot forward on that note.
• 37:44
  I'll tell you what, man, after Drake met you, I'd be like, all
• 37:49
  right, who do you want in the shoot with you?
• 37:50
  Do you want Trevor or you want me?
• 37:51
  He goes. Trevor.
• 37:54
  I know I got I. Don't blame you.
• 37:55
  I don't blame you. I think I was in there the first
• 37:57
  couple and then I was like, well go sit in the Bleacher.
• 38:01
  Trev's got him. Yeah, yeah, I mean, he Drake
• 38:05
  gets in the chute like a season vet, you know, I and I'm excited
• 38:09
  to see him, you know, decide what he wants to do eventually,
• 38:14
  because at that age, I remember when I was his age.
• 38:18
  And it's hard to, you know, especially when you when you see
• 38:23
  a kid who woke up and sat on the bull come out of the womb just,
• 38:28
  you know, cowboy, cowboy, cowboy, cowboy.
• 38:30
  And then he's got all these different interests in this
• 38:33
  sparked, you know, the interest for him.
• 38:35
  You know, when he's old enough to feel pain and understand what
• 38:38
  you know, could go wrong, you know, it plays a part in his
• 38:42
  mind. So, you know, the fact he's
• 38:44
  going through that battle now, if he can just stay in it,
• 38:47
  Drake, then the Sky's the limit for him, you know?
• 38:50
  If you ask him, he's already got brain damage from it.
• 38:53
  Yeah, yeah. He doesn't remember to flush the
• 38:55
  toilet because he rides bulls. He literally said.
• 38:58
  That yeah, man, CT man, it's just real, you know?
• 39:01
  Bullshit. Literally.
• 39:04
  Yeah, right. No, I think that's cool like
• 39:07
  that you like brought that up because I, I think that, you
• 39:10
  know, no knock on people that grew up in that lifestyle.
• 39:13
  But for somebody like you, it's like, I'm sure that you like, I
• 39:20
  appreciate it probably a little bit more because you know what
• 39:23
  it's like to not have that. Yeah.
• 39:26
  And you know what it's like to have that right.
• 39:27
  You know what I'm? Saying I got a glimpse in both
• 39:29
  of it, and I haven't had it full-fledged where I'm like, all
• 39:32
  right, I'll walk outside. This is my house.
• 39:34
  And I got horses and bulls. Yeah.
• 39:36
  But at the same time, I still am blessed.
• 39:40
  I'm still, you know, an anomaly. You know a lot of guys, even
• 39:45
  though I got a a brief, you know, three months at a time.
• 39:49
  Like I said, there's a lot of people who never get to
• 39:51
  experience. With exactly.
• 39:52
  And even my my dad was a big part of that because my dad
• 39:56
  worked for American Airlines my whole life.
• 39:58
  I got to go everywhere I wanted. If I want to go to Alabama and
• 40:01
  see my uncle for a weekend, Friday when I got out of school.
• 40:05
  One of the airport, yeah, yeah, just fly out and and be back by
• 40:08
  Sunday and go to school on Monday and I'd be like, Oh yeah,
• 40:11
  I was in Arkansas yesterday. The kids look at me like, yeah,
• 40:14
  bullshit, yeah, showing them videos and pictures and like how
• 40:18
  I'm like, dude, these these airplanes, yeah, it only takes 3
• 40:22
  hours dude. Like they're like, dude, how
• 40:24
  much does that cost? I'm like, I fly for free there.
• 40:27
  That was my biggest flex. Yeah, you know who I am?
• 40:29
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  spinning in circles now? Yeah, I like that sometimes.
• 42:42
  You know, I depending on how soft, how softer, you know,
• 42:49
  stiff there, you know, do something like tie their head to
• 42:52
  one side and just make them loosen up, you know, soften to
• 42:57
  that side. And I kind of let them figure it
• 43:00
  out on their own. You know, I feel like balance is
• 43:04
  huge, especially with those Colts.
• 43:05
  You know, you're, you're really teaching them how to run, you
• 43:09
  know, correctly, especially if you're going to be, you're going
• 43:11
  to be on their back, you're going to put, you know, if
• 43:13
  you're going to be dragging cows or something with them, you want
• 43:16
  the orders to be balanced and travel, you know, symmetrically.
• 43:21
  And part of that is, you know this, this helps its coordinates
• 43:25
  in a sense. So like, you know, your big
• 43:30
  influence is your uncle getting you into this whole cowboy
• 43:34
  stuff, right? I'm sure you saw a bunch of
• 43:39
  black Cowboys coming out here. You know, there's not a whole
• 43:43
  lot of black bull riders or black Cowboys.
• 43:45
  It was 2 weeks ago. Yeah.
• 43:47
  So yeah. Oh yeah.
• 43:49
  Yeah. The black rodeo.
• 43:50
  Yeah, yeah, Actually, when even even when I got started, my
• 43:54
  uncle, he was the only black cowboy I really knew.
• 43:57
  I mean him and his son and my my cousins that were that are
• 44:00
  Cowboys. But, you know, especially in the
• 44:03
  realm that he was in, there isn't much of us really, you
• 44:07
  know, training horses in the cow horse deal.
• 44:10
  It's it's just not a lot of us. And I don't ever try to say, oh,
• 44:16
  that they didn't they, they, they didn't pick me because I
• 44:18
  was black. You know, that's it's never been
• 44:20
  a variable for Trevor at least. But it's all about, you know,
• 44:27
  how you carry yourself in. You know, my uncle was very much
• 44:31
  respected in this world and I, he really lit that for me to,
• 44:35
  you know, don't ever try to, you know, play the poor me card
• 44:39
  because ultimately you, you, you carry yourself correctly.
• 44:44
  If it's, if it's supposed to happen, it's going to happen.
• 44:46
  Yeah. And and they'll know.
• 44:48
  So do you feel like, you know, being in this culture, being in
• 44:50
  this lifestyle, like you have been embraced and like, you know
• 44:54
  every like you, you don't even bat an eye on it. 1000%, you
• 44:58
  know, and you know, I, I haven't talked about it yet since we've
• 45:03
  been talking today, but out of nowhere, dude, I got a random DM
• 45:09
  on Instagram one day and it was, it was about, hey, you want to
• 45:14
  be on TV? I was just going to ask about
• 45:16
  that. Yeah.
• 45:18
  And I thought it was a scam. And I'm like, then why do they
• 45:21
  want me to be on TV? Yeah.
• 45:23
  And they're like, we're we're going to, we got this first.
• 45:26
  They, they sold it to me as a, a Western.
• 45:30
  A western. Sorry, no, you're good.
• 45:35
  A Western docu series, man, I'm like, heck yeah, let's do it.
• 45:39
  And they seen this application and I'm like, all right, I'm not
• 45:42
  filling this out. Just didn't feel right at that
• 45:44
  point. They wanted too much
• 45:46
  information. And yeah, they gave me a call
• 45:48
  and they're like, dude, we're shooting a show and we.
• 45:53
  We'd love to have you on it. You know, we worked with Sony
• 45:56
  Entertainment and we want to film this for CW Network and had
• 46:02
  the opportunity to go to Montana for six weeks and film this
• 46:06
  show. And basically you're on a dude
• 46:08
  ranch and you're the workers. The storyline was, you know,
• 46:12
  we're we're the guys that come in and, and they, they had lost
• 46:16
  a lot of workers and they were trying to fill some gaps.
• 46:18
  And so they brought us on as four of us, and we joined the
• 46:22
  existing crew and helped them finish the season out on that
• 46:27
  ranch. And so they already had the
• 46:30
  season going. As far as the dude ranching
• 46:33
  season, yeah, yes, Sir. And yeah, that was that was some
• 46:38
  of the most fun I had in my life.
• 46:39
  You know, I literally we had three meals a day.
• 46:44
  I was cooked by a five star chef.
• 46:46
  And I mean, just some of the most fun ever.
• 46:49
  You know, TV is, is, is hard. It really is like the stuff that
• 46:54
  they have you do and the way they do the interviews, you
• 46:56
  know, it's hard and you got to have a lot of patience and it
• 47:01
  it's exhausting. It really was we.
• 47:03
  So that show is called Wranglers, The Wranglers.
• 47:05
  The Wranglers, right? Yeah.
• 47:07
  And yeah, that's so like, I mean, how do they even find you?
• 47:13
  It was I so I'm I'm telling this lady it was the account that DM
• 47:18
  me. It says Kara under score casting
• 47:22
  no profile picture like 900 followers.
• 47:24
  I'm like, this has to be a spam account like it does not make
• 47:27
  sense. And it was very vanilla on the
• 47:31
  message. It wasn't nothing crazy and
• 47:33
  there was no real credentials that made me say oh man, this is
• 47:38
  it. And but they were.
• 47:43
  She was so prompt about everything that when I sent my
• 47:47
  phone number, she called me and and gave me the breakdown so
• 47:50
  fast. I'm literally in the airport in
• 47:52
  Dallas, Fort Worth, headed to Flint, MI for a rodeo.
• 47:55
  And this lady's DM me and I'm like kind of not taking it
• 48:00
  serious until my phone ring 10 minutes before I'm out to board
• 48:04
  this plane. And she like gives me this
• 48:05
  spill. But she was very like, straight
• 48:08
  to the point. Like, look, do you want to do
• 48:09
  this or not? This is what we got going.
• 48:11
  I think it's a great opportunity for you.
• 48:13
  I saw your profile. She's like, is this like a
• 48:15
  facade or like you a real cowboy?
• 48:17
  And I'm like, no, it's legit. Like this is not just like for
• 48:22
  fun. I'll come.
• 48:22
  Ride a bull if. You want?
• 48:24
  Yeah, like, and I think, I think between the the, you know,
• 48:32
  taking a picture here and taking a picture there, I never was
• 48:34
  really big on that. And I never thought it could
• 48:36
  even turn into something, right. You know, I just was doing it,
• 48:40
  you know, just being social on social media and responding to
• 48:46
  that message instead of just deleting it, thinking that it
• 48:49
  was spam was the best thing I ever did.
• 48:52
  I made I made a few real good buddies.
• 48:55
  I think that'll be lifers. And I got to network with people
• 49:00
  even in the production team and it was just a great experience
• 49:04
  overall. You know, I spent a lot of time
• 49:06
  in the Big Sky area, but to be in Montana every day, like right
• 49:10
  now, I guarantee in Hopson it is sub 50° and in the middle of the
• 49:15
  day and it was just great. It was like a vacation.
• 49:20
  I'm getting paid to talk about what I love.
• 49:25
  And they're going to film you doing what you love and you're
• 49:27
  going to do it. They're going to do it for free.
• 49:29
  They're going to house you for free.
• 49:30
  They're going to feed you good for free.
• 49:32
  And we're going to give you something on top of it.
• 49:34
  I didn't care what the show did. I was just, I was just having
• 49:37
  fun. Yeah.
• 49:38
  Like, dude, I just life once in a lifetime experience.
• 49:41
  If I don't ever get another TV deal, I don't care if I get
• 49:45
  another TV, that'd be great. But at the same time, it was
• 49:49
  really fun. You know, there's some that were
• 49:51
  on the show that might say that, might say something different,
• 49:54
  but I had a ball, yeah. Yeah, you could tell you had fun
• 49:57
  in. It yeah, that's it, you know,
• 49:59
  like, obviously, you know, they were, you know, just being
• 50:02
  themselves as well. But I feel like some, at some
• 50:06
  point it was just too serious. Like, yeah, there's no way you
• 50:09
  were this upset right now. Look where we're at.
• 50:12
  So like watching because you know, my daughter Hayden, she
• 50:17
  was all obsessed about it, right?
• 50:19
  So like we would like watch it, but how much from the episodes
• 50:25
  to reality was there? Because I mean, it's Hollywood,
• 50:28
  right? They they have to entertain us
• 50:31
  somehow, you know? There was a lot of stuff that
• 50:34
  was cut out or. I would say, I was going to say
• 50:36
  everything that was there was real.
• 50:38
  There was a lot of cutouts. You know, there's a lot of stuff
• 50:41
  that I thought was going to be there.
• 50:42
  And I was like, oh wow, they didn't have that part.
• 50:44
  They didn't have that part, but there was nothing in there that
• 50:47
  was fake either. They didn't miss your burp.
• 50:49
  No, Yeah, yeah, they, they caught me slipping and that was
• 50:53
  that was the real estate part of it.
• 50:56
  There's a lot of moments where they're filming and they are
• 50:58
  literally just filming. They, they didn't tell us we're
• 51:01
  going to go do this, we're going to do that.
• 51:02
  No, it was just the cameras are up and they're going and.
• 51:05
  Early on. Literally, yeah, they have
• 51:09
  definitely got a raw reaction out of me when I was watching in
• 51:11
  the beginning. I want to say it's the first or
• 51:13
  second episode. I'm like getting on the track
• 51:16
  there. I sit down right after lunch and
• 51:18
  I cracked this Coca-Cola and I'm slamming it, and I take this
• 51:22
  big, the biggest belts. I was like, oh man, I don't
• 51:25
  remember doing that. I was dying.
• 51:27
  That's funny, because that's just you being you.
• 51:29
  Yeah, and but. And that's not the only dude
• 51:34
  ranch that you've worked. You worked at the one in Tucson,
• 51:36
  right? Yeah, so.
• 51:37
  Cool experience there. So when I the same owners of a
• 51:41
  Circle Bar ranch where we filmed the TV show, they own, I want to
• 51:45
  say 6 dude ranches in America and they're top of the line.
• 51:50
  You know, I when I first started dude ranching, when I went with
• 51:53
  Charlie bull riding, his buddy owns Rimrock Ranch in Wyoming.
• 51:58
  And that's the job that I worked when Charlie was giving me bull
• 52:01
  riding lessons. But true ranch collection is
• 52:07
  what these six ranches are all named under.
• 52:12
  And they own White Stallion in Tucson.
• 52:15
  And if I'm not mistaken, it's the biggest, biggest dude ranch
• 52:19
  in the nation. And.
• 52:21
  Is White Stallion. Yes, Sir.
• 52:23
  And when I got there, they're truly the biggest and probably
• 52:27
  the best, the most efficient. And I mean it's it's the full
• 52:30
  package. You can go shooting, no rock
• 52:32
  climbing, obviously horseback riding.
• 52:35
  They got the massage. It's like a resort and you get a
• 52:38
  little bit of everything. And that place runs like a well
• 52:42
  oiled machine. And the way I got got that gig
• 52:45
  was our last couple days of filming in Montana.
• 52:49
  The owner, Russell True, he had asked me to drive a vehicle back
• 52:55
  down from that ranch to Arizona. And once I got back, I was just
• 53:01
  talking to him and kind of just, you know, saying our goodbyes.
• 53:04
  And I said, you know, if you ever need any help down there,
• 53:07
  I'd love to come to the ranch. Like a week later, they reached
• 53:10
  out and they're like, hey, you know, we do have a spot if you
• 53:13
  want to come work the ranch. And I wasn't doing anything.
• 53:15
  I was like, yeah, I might as well come.
• 53:17
  And then I get in a car accident like a day later in a car
• 53:21
  accident. And I had to have knee surgery
• 53:24
  on my patellar tendon. And that set me back about a
• 53:27
  month. But once I got down the white
• 53:31
  stallion, it was same deal, you know, but the difference was the
• 53:36
  volume. I've never, ever took out four
• 53:40
  or five rides in a day. And these rides are no, no,
• 53:44
  nothing less than an hour saddle time.
• 53:48
  Oh, yeah, 8 hours. You get 8 hours saddle time
• 53:51
  every day. But I feel like White Stallion
• 53:55
  provides a lot of opportunities for people.
• 53:58
  White Stallion has a volunteer program where they got 6.
• 54:01
  It can house 66 volunteers at a time.
• 54:04
  You could call them today and say, I want to volunteer in two
• 54:07
  weeks, for two weeks. And if they accept it, you come
• 54:10
  down there, they feed you 3 meals a day, you get to go on
• 54:12
  all the rides and it's all for free.
• 54:15
  You're volunteering. And a lot of these volunteers
• 54:17
  end up transitioning into temporaries, into full time
• 54:21
  employees. And they got on their first
• 54:25
  horse, that white stallion, and now they're right in the mix,
• 54:28
  you know, working the deal, making money doing it.
• 54:30
  And I think it's a great, it's great.
• 54:32
  You know, my story, his story, however you got into it, do it.
• 54:36
  And I think it's, I think it's unique regardless, take whatever
• 54:40
  opportunity you're presented 1000%.
• 54:42
  You never know where it's going to go.
• 54:44
  So a dude ranch? Right.
• 54:47
  Yeah. What is a dude ranch?
• 54:49
  So a dude ranch? Is if you're talking to a
• 54:54
  cowboy. Dude ranch is bullshit.
• 54:58
  It really is. You are playing.
• 54:59
  Cowboy all day long, but it's dude ranch is a western guest
• 55:05
  experience. You know you were you were so
• 55:07
  people are coming from all over the world Germany England.
• 55:10
  I mean, I met people from all over and they want to see
• 55:15
  Cowboys. They want to see the Wild West.
• 55:18
  You know, there's not dude ranch, there's no dude ranch on
• 55:20
  the East Coast. It's, I mean, sure there are,
• 55:22
  but Wild West and, and dude ranching is when you, when you
• 55:29
  think of Cowboys, it's you think of the West and, and that's
• 55:32
  where some of the most beautiful dude ranches are.
• 55:35
  You got to have the views. But it's, it's a, it's, it's a
• 55:39
  vacation and, and a resort where people get to experience the day
• 55:45
  in the life of a cowboy. Yeah, yeah.
• 55:47
  And I think it's, I think it's awesome.
• 55:49
  You know, I, I, I, I do too, man.
• 55:51
  I think like. To try it 'cause I mean, what if
• 55:56
  they could inspire a young kid to want to be in this lifestyle,
• 56:01
  right? I mean, at the end of the day,
• 56:03
  at the end of the day, dude, there's.
• 56:04
  Way less. Cowboys now then there was
• 56:08
  right. Cowboys are dying.
• 56:10
  Breed. Yeah, we are real.
• 56:11
  Cowboys are dying breed. Yeah, real Cowboys are dying
• 56:14
  breed right now in today's world, there is this.
• 56:19
  It's crazy. It honestly took off and I I
• 56:22
  never saw the Western life being this big and mainstream ever.
• 56:27
  And you know, with that Cowboy Carter.
• 56:33
  Album and and Morgan. Wallins always doing his things.
• 56:36
  You got Zach Top, you got Colt Mcmurdy and it's just taken it's
• 56:40
  taken the world and it's got it got it in the chokehold right
• 56:43
  now. And and so it it really is hard
• 56:47
  to, you know, honestly, it shouldn't be hard to decipher
• 56:50
  the two, you know, real cowboy and and the guys that are just
• 56:54
  playing cowboy and I don't have no any, any, any, any real
• 56:58
  cowboy that's offended by it. Yeah, You know, you maybe check
• 57:02
  on yourself and what you got going because I think if if I
• 57:06
  made that guy go buy a pair of boots.
• 57:08
  I inspired him. Yeah.
• 57:09
  He thinks it's cool. Why wouldn't you don't hate on
• 57:12
  the guy be like heck yeah, man, right on.
• 57:15
  You got a pair of boots. It's almost like NBA players.
• 57:18
  Dogging on people at the park just playing basketball, right?
• 57:22
  Like, yeah, they're not, they're not professionals.
• 57:24
  But. Dude, they love the sport.
• 57:26
  They that's, that's what they love to do.
• 57:28
  And like, that's what we should do is, you know, embrace the
• 57:31
  people that are interested in this, like lifestyle and, you
• 57:35
  know, wanting to learn or, you know, wanting to be involved in
• 57:38
  it. Whether they do volunteer or
• 57:40
  even they just go to like, rodeos, you know, like support,
• 57:43
  support the. Yeah, yeah, just like.
• 57:45
  When when like Drake. Started his little calf riding
• 57:49
  right like over at Dillon's. There wasn't a whole lot of
• 57:51
  people, right. Right.
• 57:53
  But then like it, it started to more and more and more.
• 57:57
  And then like, and then there's like the whole stands is filled
• 58:00
  with people, you know, standing room only.
• 58:02
  Yeah. And like it makes me proud.
• 58:04
  To see my son out there. Riding, you know, throwing his
• 58:06
  hands up and everybody's like, yeah, you know, it's like,
• 58:09
  that's awesome, man. It it it lights, it lights a
• 58:12
  different. Fighting.
• 58:13
  I was telling Nate last night and I was like, this is a drug,
• 58:17
  Bull ride is a drug. Forget the bull.
• 58:20
  Imagine, OK, you rode the bull and then you hear all that.
• 58:23
  You see all these people, they don't even know you, but they
• 58:26
  are electric. And to them it is the craziest
• 58:28
  thing in the world that you just rode this bull.
• 58:30
  These are people coming out of their offices, Scottsdale,
• 58:33
  somewhere. They don't, they have no idea
• 58:35
  what's going on and they just know that you just rode that
• 58:37
  bull and they're just as excited as you are.
• 58:40
  And I love it, you know, even when it comes to dude ranching,
• 58:45
  all of it. Any anytime someone's interested
• 58:47
  and is genuinely asking about it, I don't if I have the time
• 58:50
  to talk about it, I'll talk about it because you don't know
• 58:53
  who you can inspire. You don't know what interaction
• 58:55
  or where it's going to go. But if you're passionate about
• 58:58
  it, it shouldn't bother you to talk about it.
• 59:00
  Plant those seeds. That's it.
• 59:02
  Plant the seed and I'm not planting a seed expecting
• 59:04
  something big tree to grow out of it.
• 59:06
  I'm just planting seeds because I'm Johnny Appleseed, you know,
• 59:09
  like I'm just doing what I do and that's just interacting.
• 59:13
  And I don't know. I feel like leaving your mark is
• 59:15
  ultimately what it what, what it's about, you know?
• 59:19
  And you can use that with anything.
• 59:21
  You know, I train a horse, if I'm selling a horse, I want that
• 59:24
  horse to, if I put my name on it, you better that horse better
• 59:27
  be ready to leave because I'm not putting my name on something
• 59:30
  that's going to be bad. And and so when I leave my mark
• 59:33
  on that horse, I want it to be a good one.
• 59:36
  You know, when I leave my mark on people, I want it to be a
• 59:38
  good one. And yeah, man.
• 59:42
  But ultimately this whole cowboy and thing it, it's went a lot
• 59:47
  farther than I thought I'd ever go into it.
• 59:49
  And I'm just thankful for it every other day, you know, going
• 59:53
  through the motions with it, you also, you also help people.
• 59:56
  Train, yes, like doing barrel racing and riding more so I'm I
• 1:00:02
  feel like I just try to help people develop.
• 1:00:04
  Their riding, Yeah. And, and, you know, being in
• 1:00:08
  control and being In Sync with their horse, you know, and it
• 1:00:12
  doesn't matter what it is. It could be barrel racing, pole
• 1:00:15
  bending, you know, calf roping, breakaway team roping, or just
• 1:00:20
  regular pleasure riding. You know, I just try to teach
• 1:00:23
  people how to be, you know, a horseman on the basic.
• 1:00:28
  Level if you can. Understand how to communicate
• 1:00:31
  with these guys and respect these guys and get along with
• 1:00:34
  them. The rest you can develop.
• 1:00:37
  But if you try to jump past that part, if you don't even
• 1:00:39
  understand the communication aspect, we're we're never going
• 1:00:42
  to win. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome, man.
• 1:00:45
  I've definitely. Learned a ton since you started
• 1:00:47
  coming out here. You.
• 1:00:48
  Know I we've got Sedona and Sedona's definitely a
• 1:00:52
  performance horse. Like she's she's full of piss
• 1:00:54
  and vinegar all the time. Well, when I bought her they
• 1:00:57
  told us, oh, she's she's retired right?
• 1:00:59
  Like she's ready to just be a trail horse.
• 1:01:01
  And then I get on her and I was like, man, this is too much.
• 1:01:04
  And then, you know, Trevor starts to teach me.
• 1:01:06
  He's like, she feels you. She she knows how you're feeling
• 1:01:09
  about this. She feels your anxiety, like you
• 1:01:12
  got to fix you before you can fix this.
• 1:01:14
  And when I give lessons that when I stand, I tell.
• 1:01:16
  People horse can feel your heartbeat 4 feet away.
• 1:01:20
  You know they, they know what you're thinking or what you're
• 1:01:22
  what you're feeling before you even touch.
• 1:01:24
  Yeah, yeah. But it's it's wild just to see
• 1:01:28
  like. What you've done with Sam and
• 1:01:29
  with Julia, you know what I mean?
• 1:01:31
  The funny thing is, is he says he's not a trainer, right?
• 1:01:34
  And he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll try to play koi and all that.
• 1:01:37
  Here's the reality. Sam's never ridden.
• 1:01:41
  Competitively. She's been riding horses for all
• 1:01:44
  of two years, and you worked with her for two months?
• 1:01:48
  Yeah, and then his two proteges. Go out.
• 1:01:52
  In place in every event that they wrote in their first
• 1:01:55
  gymkhana out Julia placed and Sam placed in every single
• 1:01:59
  event. Yeah, and I mean, you know, like
• 1:02:02
  I say. I'm, I'm I still stand by that
• 1:02:04
  statement. I know you will and that's OK,
• 1:02:07
  but. That just means you're.
• 1:02:10
  Like willing to grow right? Like you're.
• 1:02:11
  Just leaving room all the way. To grow, you have to you know I
• 1:02:15
  am nowhere. Look, the minute you think
• 1:02:17
  you've got it figured out in this, in this world, horse
• 1:02:19
  world, you're going to lose. Yeah, that's my uncle was 65 and
• 1:02:24
  60s in his 60s and sitting there telling me like, dude, like I
• 1:02:29
  learned something new every day. So you see all those tapes he
• 1:02:32
  had VCHVCR tapes like like in in this.
• 1:02:39
  Is past 20. 15/20/16 And I mean loaded like in his, in this, in
• 1:02:44
  this, what do you call those old school deals in the in the
• 1:02:47
  living rooms, VCRS, No, no entertainment centers.
• 1:02:51
  Yeah, yeah. It's entertainment.
• 1:02:53
  Centers full of them and. They're all training videos.
• 1:02:55
  Oh, VHS. Handwritten on the label.
• 1:02:57
  Handwritten. And he's like, go, go in there
• 1:02:59
  and pull out that. Out Dunning tape and put it in
• 1:03:02
  there for me and sit here. I want to show you something.
• 1:03:04
  You gotta rewind it first right? Ran it all the way back.
• 1:03:07
  And then get it. Going.
• 1:03:08
  And I I'm still just scratching my head like man in the sky is
• 1:03:12
  is full of it. But no, hey uncle, we can watch
• 1:03:15
  this shit on YouTube now when you.
• 1:03:17
  Know pull it up on YouTube? When was the last time?
• 1:03:20
  You've been out there so. Unfortunately, I lost my uncle.
• 1:03:23
  A couple years ago he was battling cancer and it hit us
• 1:03:28
  out of nowhere. He had he had got got diagnosed
• 1:03:31
  with cancer and he ended up living for three years after
• 1:03:34
  that and then he passed away. So rest in peace, Don Clark.
• 1:03:39
  But that ranch is it's it's done.
• 1:03:44
  It's done now. You know, they they shut it
• 1:03:46
  down. And I mean, I'm sure there's one
• 1:03:47
  or two horses up there now, but it's nowhere near the the
• 1:03:51
  monster that it was when when he was there.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  But did he have kids that were? Working there.
• 1:03:56
  Oh yeah. So my my my cousin Danielle.
• 1:03:59
  His older daughter she lives in Texas now and she started there
• 1:04:06
  and then his his son Tyler Tyler he's that's it.
• 1:04:10
  That's it horse training SOB like I showed, I've shown native
• 1:04:14
  few videos of him, but yeah, his those are his two olders and and
• 1:04:20
  they're still involved in every single.
• 1:04:22
  Day they yeah, they eat, sleep and.
• 1:04:24
  Breathe it just like he did. Yeah.
• 1:04:26
  And Danielle actually has a son. We call him June Bug, but his
• 1:04:30
  name is Harold Williams. That kid can rope like a grown
• 1:04:33
  man. He's 12.
• 1:04:35
  I think he just turned 13, actually.
• 1:04:37
  But remember that name in the next 5-6 years, I guarantee.
• 1:04:42
  What is it? Harold Williams?
• 1:04:44
  Harold Williams. And I guarantee.
• 1:04:46
  He'll be on his way in Fri. Mean kid can rope.
• 1:04:50
  He's had a rope in his hand since he could say rope.
• 1:04:53
  And I mean, he's a bad dude. Yeah.
• 1:04:56
  And you know, as far as you know, you're asking me about,
• 1:05:00
  you know, his kids and whatnot. I, I'd love to one day get, get
• 1:05:04
  something going with his son Tyler.
• 1:05:06
  Even, you know, we're in two different states, but if we can
• 1:05:09
  have an Arizona, Texas connection, what we're doing
• 1:05:11
  something with horses, you know, that would be phenomenal because
• 1:05:15
  I mean, this is the capital we're going to bring.
• 1:05:17
  The capital of a of a roping home.
• 1:05:19
  Yes Sir. Oh yeah, 1000% here in about.
• 1:05:22
  A month, it's going to be loaded.
• 1:05:24
  Yeah, the population goes up 3040%.
• 1:05:27
  Well, and that's The funny thing is everybody thinks that
• 1:05:29
  Whitman's just. This little podunk town, right?
• 1:05:31
  Oh yeah, yeah. During the roping season,
• 1:05:33
  there's probably more millionaires here than
• 1:05:35
  Scottsdale. More money, right?
• 1:05:36
  Right. No, no, seriously.
• 1:05:38
  There's. There's $1,000,000 rolling down
• 1:05:40
  the road. Yeah, You know, that's what
• 1:05:41
  they're driving out of there with when you add it all up,
• 1:05:44
  right? Big old living quarters, these
• 1:05:46
  4050 thousand dollar horses, this $80,000 truck, people don't
• 1:05:50
  realize how much goes into it and that's why I had to figure
• 1:05:54
  out how I can be a part of it without going broke.
• 1:05:57
  I mean, you know, in today's world, everyone's, you know,
• 1:06:01
  trying to figure it out, but when I when I doping the bull
• 1:06:08
  right and I was like, man, I eliminate all that.
• 1:06:10
  I don't have to worry about oil change or lame horse scrap that
• 1:06:13
  gear bag and as long as my legs work will be all right.
• 1:06:16
  Is this is a red your first horse that you've trained?
• 1:06:19
  From start from by myself not having anyones help.
• 1:06:23
  Yes, I've, I've started a lot of horses, but it was always, you
• 1:06:27
  know, I'm going to start them, hand them over to this guy.
• 1:06:30
  He's going to finish them. You know, I'm, I'm helping this
• 1:06:33
  guy out for the day. But this horse is green.
• 1:06:35
  But this is the first one that I picked out.
• 1:06:38
  You know, I said he's got a good mind on them and we can develop
• 1:06:42
  that horse. He's got good potential.
• 1:06:44
  Yeah, definitely. And, you know, I kind of
• 1:06:46
  surprised myself in this timeline too.
• 1:06:49
  You know, I know I had a good, you know, I had a trainer's
• 1:06:52
  touch, but to see it completely, like solely on me is definitely,
• 1:07:01
  definitely confirming. To me, you know it.
• 1:07:06
  Helps me understand that I build your confidence right?
• 1:07:08
  1000% man, you know I'm. Skeptical about a lot of things.
• 1:07:11
  I'm like, man, I'm finally, heck yeah, I do know what I'm doing a
• 1:07:14
  little bit. Yeah, I can get, I can, I can
• 1:07:16
  make something happen and and like all you needed, all you
• 1:07:21
  needed was just an. Opportunity, that's it.
• 1:07:24
  And they gave me that opportunity.
• 1:07:26
  I mean, and honestly, Nate is the reason why I'm doing it.
• 1:07:30
  I wasn't even thinking about training horses.
• 1:07:32
  And Nate was like, dude, why don't we get one going?
• 1:07:35
  What are you? What are you doing?
• 1:07:36
  You're good at it. We can make money off of this.
• 1:07:38
  What are you doing? Yeah.
• 1:07:39
  I was like, girl, I guess I'm just not doing it.
• 1:07:42
  And he's like, well, let's get it going.
• 1:07:44
  Yeah. You know, 3-4 months later, here
• 1:07:47
  we are. You know, getting.
• 1:07:49
  Real close to listing this one and seeing what kind of profit
• 1:07:54
  we can make off this investment. And it's going to be rough to
• 1:07:57
  see him go, you know. But like I always say, if you
• 1:08:01
  didn't, if you got a horse that you wanted sold, he must not
• 1:08:05
  have been a good one. You know, if you wanted a lot of
• 1:08:08
  tears shed when he goes. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:08:10
  I think from all of us. Yeah, I definitely said a couple
• 1:08:13
  like he's a. Little buddy and when we Yeah,
• 1:08:15
  and he. Really is the little buddy
• 1:08:16
  around here. I mean it to the point where
• 1:08:18
  Nini are like my 10 year old niece literally hand leads him
• 1:08:23
  all the way to his. Yeah, yeah, my little to you
• 1:08:26
  right, Yeah. She'll come over to him and I
• 1:08:28
  mean, instantly beelines to. We almost have to guide her away
• 1:08:33
  from him and try to do it without her throwing a fit.
• 1:08:36
  That's good. But he completely flips the
• 1:08:38
  switch when she's around the moment she drags his feet.
• 1:08:41
  Yeah, I mean. What was?
• 1:08:43
  It what was it about Trevor where you're like?
• 1:08:46
  All right, we got to do this, dude.
• 1:08:48
  We just got to talking one day. And you?
• 1:08:50
  Know Trev's been through a lot. Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  And he and I got to talking and it was just one of the you and I
• 1:08:57
  have talked about it a lot too. Is it I just I like to do
• 1:09:01
  whatever I can to help people. And when you and I got to
• 1:09:04
  talking about like where you come from and what you've done.
• 1:09:07
  And you know, I asked you why you don't train your own horses
• 1:09:10
  and you kept saying he's like, you're like, every time I get
• 1:09:12
  something going, I get screwed. And I'm like, here's a safe
• 1:09:17
  space for you to if, if you want to do this, Sam and I have the
• 1:09:22
  ability to help you. Get something.
• 1:09:23
  Started. We want to do this right, but I
• 1:09:27
  don't. Dude, I'm 46.
• 1:09:29
  I'm not breaking horses anything.
• 1:09:30
  Yeah, my days are getting bucked.
• 1:09:33
  Off, you know. Or done.
• 1:09:36
  But it was something that you like, you could see your eyes
• 1:09:39
  light up when we talked about it, you got excited and I was
• 1:09:41
  like, all right, cool, let's start looking for horses.
• 1:09:43
  Like let's do this. And I just saw, I, I saw the
• 1:09:48
  opportunity, you know, to, to work together.
• 1:09:52
  Yeah. To do something and, and have
• 1:09:53
  some fun with it. I mean, it's been a lot of fun.
• 1:09:55
  It's been fun. You know I that's.
• 1:09:57
  That's the part that I'm as long as it I, my Uncle Don told me
• 1:10:04
  if. You're not having fun with it.
• 1:10:05
  Lose it, Yeah. And the minute I'm done having
• 1:10:09
  fun with it, I'll be done with it.
• 1:10:10
  Yeah, he said. All the time.
• 1:10:13
  And I was like, that's what it's about.
• 1:10:15
  And that's where I was at with the bull riding.
• 1:10:17
  It's like, dude, you need to go back to having fun with it.
• 1:10:19
  And if you're not going to have fun with it, you need to be done
• 1:10:21
  with it. And that's what I did last
• 1:10:23
  night. You walked up to me like, dude,
• 1:10:26
  simplify it. Go back to when you were a kid.
• 1:10:28
  And I'm like, man, I was a kid. I wasn't thinking about, oh, I
• 1:10:30
  got to do this. I got to do that.
• 1:10:32
  I was just doing it for fun. And that's what it's about.
• 1:10:35
  When I come out here and ride him, you know, I, I might work a
• 1:10:38
  12 hour shit and I'm tired, but if I come out here and ride him
• 1:10:43
  for two hours, it almost gives you a second wind.
• 1:10:46
  And it's like, you know, the responsibility that we have,
• 1:10:50
  right? Like we've gone.
• 1:10:51
  Down a path now, like we're responsible for him now.
• 1:10:55
  It's not just, yeah, the horse sits in the stall and whatever.
• 1:10:59
  Like, you know, we make sure that he's fed, right?
• 1:11:01
  We make sure that he's vetted, We make sure that his meds are
• 1:11:04
  all taken care of. Like when I say meds, I mean
• 1:11:06
  supplements because my wife is all about the supplements
• 1:11:09
  anyway. But there's, you know, there's a
• 1:11:11
  lot that goes. I was into it.
• 1:11:12
  It's not just you ride him, you know, once or twice a week for
• 1:11:16
  45 minutes. It's, you know, he's in the
• 1:11:18
  round pen right now, you know, flexing.
• 1:11:20
  So it's, it's there's a lot of build up that goes into this.
• 1:11:24
  And people tell us all the time. I mean, Shane and I laugh, you
• 1:11:27
  know, you live my dream life and I'm always like, do I?
• 1:11:31
  Do I really like? I was out here at 5:00. 15 this
• 1:11:34
  morning, you know, with a light. On so that I could feed and get
• 1:11:37
  this all ready because I knew that we were going to record and
• 1:11:41
  come rain snow I mean not that we get snow but whether you're
• 1:11:45
  sicker than a dog right if it's raining outside these horses got
• 1:11:49
  to get fed they got to get watered they didn't have to be
• 1:11:52
  pinned up Nope and so. Yeah, it's and, and it does so
• 1:11:56
  much that goes into it. Like you just said, 515,
• 1:11:59
  Christmas Day, New Year's Day, New Year's Eve, New Year's Day,
• 1:12:02
  you got to be here. Somebody's got to feed.
• 1:12:05
  Or if you go on vacation, you got to find somebody to come.
• 1:12:08
  Yeah. It's not like watching the dogs,
• 1:12:09
  No, not at all. Yes.
• 1:12:12
  I would change, I mean like, you know, Jess bringing.
• 1:12:16
  Us together has been one of the best things that I could ever
• 1:12:18
  have asked for. It's really, you know, it's
• 1:12:21
  brought Jess and IA lot closer, you know, beautiful thing.
• 1:12:25
  Yeah. It's been it's been great.
• 1:12:26
  Not just. From the horse perspective.
• 1:12:28
  But I mean, we kind of have our own little community out here.
• 1:12:31
  It's a community within a community.
• 1:12:33
  And it's been a lot of fun to build.
• 1:12:35
  But I mean, that's what that's what life is, man, you know you.
• 1:12:38
  Got to surround yourself around people that build you up.
• 1:12:41
  Build you up, That's it. That's it.
• 1:12:43
  And that's. Been my.
• 1:12:45
  My biggest thing, and especially after, after the fact of
• 1:12:49
  everything that's I've been through, you know, you, you
• 1:12:53
  surround yourself with what you want to be like, you know, be
• 1:12:56
  get around the people that that are a step ahead of you.
• 1:12:58
  You know, if you're the smartest one at the table, you're at the
• 1:13:02
  wrong table, you know, And that's actually really well
• 1:13:05
  said. Yeah.
• 1:13:06
  Oh, really? Though that's that's when you
• 1:13:08
  think about that. It's it's that's.
• 1:13:09
  It's just simple. And I need to stop eating.
• 1:13:11
  Dinner with my kids. He didn't mean that.
• 1:13:17
  Gosh, he didn't mean that. If they ever hear that, he did
• 1:13:21
  not mean that, no. So I had no idea that there's a
• 1:13:28
  black rodeo, OK, like that was. I think it was last.
• 1:13:33
  Year Sam and a like Oh yeah, we're going to rodeo I'm like
• 1:13:36
  where like we'll traps and then go ride a bull where the black
• 1:13:41
  rodeo I'm like what's the black rodeo?
• 1:13:43
  Yeah, it was awesome by the way. It was fun, yeah.
• 1:13:46
  So. When I was a kid, I.
• 1:13:50
  To this rodeo that. Was just here recently.
• 1:13:52
  Actually is produced by Black Rodeo USA.
• 1:13:57
  That's the rodeo company name and radio production company, I
• 1:14:02
  should say. But the the predecessors where
• 1:14:08
  the Bill Pickett Rodeo company, Bill Pickett Invitational Rodeo
• 1:14:11
  Company started. I want to say it's been over 30
• 1:14:15
  years since they've been going and they've been going all over
• 1:14:17
  the nation in the tour and it's a heritage rodeo and they're
• 1:14:21
  trying to showcase the forgotten black cowboy.
• 1:14:24
  And you know, there's some of the, you know, Bill Pickett, he
• 1:14:27
  invented steer wrestling. No one really knows that this
• 1:14:30
  guy's was famous for jumping off his horse, grabbing horse by the
• 1:14:34
  grabbing a steer by the horns and then he'd bite the lip.
• 1:14:38
  He bit the steers bottom lip and that's how he'd get him to roll
• 1:14:42
  over. And that's how steer wrestling
• 1:14:44
  was invented. And there's Deadwood Dick that
• 1:14:48
  they talk about, and it was just some of the older Cowboys,
• 1:14:52
  Buffalo, the Buffalo Soldiers, and they just try to showcase
• 1:14:58
  that. That there is.
• 1:15:00
  Black Cowboys and you know, people forget about us all the
• 1:15:03
  time, but it's just like an, an, an Indian rodeo.
• 1:15:07
  You know, they're showcasing their history and their heritage
• 1:15:10
  of their lineage and what it was like back then when they got
• 1:15:13
  into it. My my favorite videos.
• 1:15:16
  I what? I follow the, I think the
• 1:15:19
  Oklahoma Cowboys. Oh yeah dude, like when they
• 1:15:22
  have their. Videos on.
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  That the one event where they're just hauling Party Express.
• 1:15:28
  Oh, OK dude. Well, it's in a.
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  Little Yeah, it's. Like so there's 4 barrels in
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  that arena, two teams. At a time and they're running a
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  relay and it's a six man relay and it is You think Bull Ryan's
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  intense. I think that's intense.
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  It is this year at it. Yeah.
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  There was a guy. From Love Island, I forget his
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  name. Taylor.
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  You wanna say that horse? So he's coming and the way it's
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  lined up, I mean, you're coming from the corner of this arena
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  and as this guy comes around that third barrel for set up in
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  A-44 barrel pattern, you're coming in like this.
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  And so it's almost blind for the guy that's already in the arena
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  coming around those barrels. Yeah.
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  And that guy didn't kick his horse up.
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  And it's prime example what I'm saying.
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  It's just as crazy as bull riding.
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  Dude, that was a collision. You said he didn't kick his
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  horse up. Yeah, he he.
• 1:16:18
  Didn't run fast enough in front of the guy.
• 1:16:20
  That had the baton coming towards him, which caused that
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  guy to run straight into him and I mean, knocked him clean off
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  his source. The horse rolled over the top of
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  him. Definitely wasn't pretty, No,
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  but yeah, man, that's that's their event down there.
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  I got cousins that when they hear this, they're going to be
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  like, oh heck yeah, man. You talked about our podcast.
• 1:16:40
  Yeah, they they, their team name is YFC.
• 1:16:43
  And they're always at those Oklahoma Cowboys deals in
• 1:16:47
  Oklahoma and Old Muggy and all those other different places
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  down there. Do they ever come out here to do
• 1:16:53
  that stuff? Not.
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  Really. Cam was just here.
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  Yeah, my, my. Cousin Cameron, but he's from.
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  California, yeah. But the guys that really relay
• 1:17:02
  out there, dude, you go to rodeo and usually the, the, the people
• 1:17:07
  are there to watch the bull riding in Oklahoma.
• 1:17:09
  They're there to watch the relays.
• 1:17:10
  Yeah. And it's like 30 teams.
• 1:17:13
  Is it, is it like the same as you know, ropers?
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  Have their roping horses do do those guys have their relay
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  horses? All they do is run relay.
• 1:17:21
  That's all they do. They just pony.
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  Express. You might have a few of.
• 1:17:24
  Them that that actually do some other events, but they literally
• 1:17:28
  eat sleep and breathe pony express and it's crazy man.
• 1:17:33
  It is like I've seen these guys make some makes I mean you're
• 1:17:37
  literally like fighting they're bumping shoulders elbow and
• 1:17:39
  whatever it takes to get that baton around, they will do it
• 1:17:43
  and it is gritty. It is they're hauling and
• 1:17:46
  there's so much that can go wrong.
• 1:17:48
  You've seen that arena ain't ain't the best.
• 1:17:50
  You know, you're making some crazy turns and yeah, you know,
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  I tip my hat to them guys cause there's a lot of things I can
• 1:17:57
  grit through and I'm not sure if that's one that I want to figure
• 1:17:59
  out if I can do it or not right and go wrong quick.
• 1:18:03
  Well, we'll get you out there next year, Shane, OK.
• 1:18:05
  Yeah, yeah, man. Well, yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:18:09
  You know, I'll do a blindfolded. Fucking there you go.
• 1:18:12
  Well, awesome guys. Listen, man, this has been a
• 1:18:14
  blast. I know that you got to work,
• 1:18:16
  Red. Still.
• 1:18:16
  Yes, Sir. We'll do this again, most
• 1:18:19
  definitely. We appreciate you coming on,
• 1:18:20
  Trev. It's always.
• 1:18:21
  It's always a pleasure. Talking to you?
• 1:18:23
  Heck yeah. Now it.
• 1:18:24
  Now everybody else gets to hear about it.
• 1:18:25
  It's about time we got Trevor. Yeah, we get a long episode one.
• 1:18:29
  Yeah. I'm sorry guys, sorry for the
• 1:18:31
  delay. Stop being.
• 1:18:32
  So damn busy, man. Yeah, man, I'm.
• 1:18:34
  I'm trying to get free say that I'm.
• 1:18:36
  Going to make it more busy here in a little bit yeah, if I.
• 1:18:38
  Don't stay busy, I start doing. Dumb stuff.
• 1:18:40
  So yeah, we appreciate it, man. Heck yeah.
• 1:18:43
  Thanks for having. Me, absolutely.
• 1:18:48
  You friends. Everyone.
• 1:18:49
  'S going to be friends and plus you better ride like you ride.