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Is The Girlboss Coming Back? · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gaddigal Land Always was, always
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  Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land A Cheeks. I'm out and I'm
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  Speaker 1: sour and this is too broke Cheeks to show that
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  Speaker 1: shares life less than tips to help make you rich
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  Speaker 1: in life. Well, what a week? Every week like that
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  Speaker 1: being like another one. Thank you for what we do.
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  Speaker 1: It's what we do. How we record on a Friday,
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  Speaker 1: so you is reflective on a Friday. It's been good.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very rainy day in Sydney today.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited for the weather to cool down.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. When I asked Schmalexa, I say like
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  Speaker 1: that because we always set off people's things. Yeah, true,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably still going to do it. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what's the weather tomorrow? And she was like a hive
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  Speaker 1: of seventeen and a level fifteen and I was like
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  Speaker 1: that can't be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was like that just no way. And then as
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  Speaker 1: a girl, I own and then we asked her three times.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, to clarify, you're saying seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, You're like, are you sure that's all right?
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  Speaker 1: Are you sure? Because don't do you mean twenty seven?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: You didn't seventeen? And I was like, what a day
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  Speaker 1: to be alive. And I was going to say, we
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  Speaker 1: are recording in our newish studio, and this is the
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  Speaker 1: first time that we've recorded while it's been raining, So.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see if we pick up any of the bitter.
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  Speaker 1: Patter in the back there. Feel quite nice to the
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  Speaker 1: rance future asm. But what's your obsession of the way.
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  Speaker 1: I love that my obsession. Okay, my obsession is an obsession,
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  Speaker 1: but I've also potentially done a best friend.
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  Speaker 2: Blasph me, Oh what have you done?
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, my obsession of the week is that yesterday evening
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  Speaker 1: I tripped fell and pressed play on the entire season
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  Speaker 1: of Heartbreak. Hi, you watched the entire season? How many
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  Speaker 1: episodes are there? Nine? How late did you go to bed?
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  Speaker 1: I don't talk about it. Was it good? It was
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  Speaker 1: like another one? Thank you? Well, we did that the
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  Speaker 1: last time I came out. We watched the entire thing
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  Speaker 1: a show, and then I did the fucking thing when
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  Speaker 1: I finish it, and then I remember that's the final season,
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  Speaker 1: and I go, you dumb? Is it sad? It? There
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  Speaker 1: was a couple of times that I was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but that's the I don't feel like they twisted the
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  Speaker 1: knife as much as they could have, because, like I
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  Speaker 1: think this show came out, I'm going to just punch
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  Speaker 1: a number in the air and say six years ago. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was five. I've seen in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of captions them being like it's been five years blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: So that later that's when they started.
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  Speaker 1: Really, I don't know, they really could have leaned into
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  Speaker 1: the like last episode and episode one flashback a bit more.
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  Speaker 1: I love that show was same. I'll sucker for a montage. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: give me a memory montage any day of the fucking week.
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  Speaker 1: Show me growth, even.
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  Speaker 2: In a film, show me growth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like when ever there's like a season finale or
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  Speaker 1: it's like the movie one versus Movie five, and like
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  Speaker 1: you look at the difference and like the actors and
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  Speaker 1: how they've grown up and stuff. Water works every time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Fully it's ten out of ten. But I did love it.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was great. I think all the actors
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  Speaker 1: on that show are incredible. Malachi is still fine as
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  Speaker 1: ever as hell, and I'm like everyone is smile like that.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone in the entire cast is like a ten out
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  Speaker 1: of ten. Body.
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  Speaker 2: I have multiple crushes Harper.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, now, Dan like Amori everyone, I'm like, shut up,
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  Speaker 1: you beautiful, you missed me kissed me fore? And then
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  Speaker 1: I was like watching it and I'm watching Brien who
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  Speaker 1: plays Spider, and I'm like we met you, like yes,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'm like the show yea, like that was
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  Speaker 1: like two years ago, I know. So anyway, it was
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  Speaker 1: really really good and I definitely had like some moments,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, it felt like a good It felt like
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  Speaker 1: a good wrap up. Yeah, good classes and you know
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  Speaker 1: when a show ends and they probably could have like
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  Speaker 1: kept going. Yeah, but you're like, do you know what
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  Speaker 1: this feels right? This feels right that we've wrapped it
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  Speaker 1: up here because is it their last year of high school? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of like that they could have taken it
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  Speaker 1: into Uni. It always sucks when when shows do that,
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  Speaker 1: exactly when the when they graduate and then they go
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  Speaker 1: to union. It's the whole every fucking high school show
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  Speaker 1: that's ever done that. It's always the and now we
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  Speaker 1: have to deal with the fact that we're not at
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  Speaker 1: high school and the trials and tribulations of going to university,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like and they all kind of good and
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  Speaker 1: then yeah, I like because some people don't go yeah,
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  Speaker 1: some people do go and I'm like, no, this is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a little too close to real life. Yeah literally,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's my issue. Yeah, but yeah, so it was
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  Speaker 1: really good. And be careful of uneven surfaces in your
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  Speaker 1: home because you might troop full and watch the.
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  Speaker 2: Whole season in window.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's your obsession. My obsession of the week is
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  Speaker 1: a post I saw on Instagram and it's ways I
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  Speaker 1: plan to become more difficult as a woman in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six. All this, and I locked it and I
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  Speaker 1: thought lots of chicks could get inspo from this. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: not moving out of the way, Oh my god, yes,
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  Speaker 1: which literally I tried to do the other day and
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  Speaker 1: somebody almost ran me over. Do you ever just commit
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  Speaker 1: to it? Sometimes? Yeah, Like sometimes I can see and
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  Speaker 1: I can tell the person isn't gonna move out of
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  Speaker 1: the fucking way, And so sometimes I can see and
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  Speaker 1: know that that person isn't also gonna move, Like I
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  Speaker 1: think a mutual movement is required. I'm not expecting people
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  Speaker 1: to move out of my way, but I do enjoy
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  Speaker 1: a mutual movement of like an angle of shoulders right totally,
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  Speaker 1: and you just fucking know. But I'm such a fucking wooze,
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  Speaker 1: and that if I do commit to it and then
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  Speaker 1: we do like smack shoulders.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always like that.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, Sam, Sam standing back food I didn't order.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, love this one.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Sit back and relax at social events. So don't
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  Speaker 1: feel the need to be like the Court's jester. Taking
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  Speaker 1: my time in the gym definitely something I like, see
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  Speaker 1: somebody coming up and I'm like, oh, move, I've done
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  Speaker 1: in the gym first, that's like all that one, but
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  Speaker 1: then we'll get there. Yeah. Advocating for myself at the GP.
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  Speaker 1: Did this the other day, left and cried immediately in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of them all, but still stood up for myself,
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  Speaker 1: saying no without an explanation, my fave, asking for my
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  Speaker 1: coffee exactly how I want it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we do this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I feel better about myself. Yeah, because it's like,
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  Speaker 1: and I think the way that she I also love that,
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  Speaker 1: like all of those things aren't being difficult, like and
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of the good pointing that it's it's like
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  Speaker 1: really like, how like how difficult are those things and
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  Speaker 1: the fact that that's like being more of a difficult
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  Speaker 1: in quotes woman, I'm like let's ramp that up by
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  Speaker 1: about one hundred percent. Yeah, calling people kids on the street.
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  Speaker 2: Why not see your man come along?
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  Speaker 1: Stick your foot out, yeah, kick him in the shin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what that is? Like? I get that
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  Speaker 1: it's that it's a trend, but it's just about like
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  Speaker 1: not shrinking yourself and taking up more space.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and asking for what you want.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put a link to the original post that
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  Speaker 1: I saw in the show notes. But yeah, that's how
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  Speaker 1: she wrapped it up. At the end, she was like,
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  Speaker 1: none of these things are actually being difficult. It's just
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  Speaker 1: advocating for yourself and saying what you want and that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make you a difficult, difficult person. No, I could.
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  Speaker 1: Probably it'st about five other things that actually make me
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  Speaker 1: a difficult and I like them. Well, on that note,
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  Speaker 1: shall we get into the episode?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So there is a recent article that has been
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  Speaker 1: written in Vogue and it asks is the Girl Boss
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  Speaker 1: making a comeback?
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of throwback?
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  Speaker 1: I know. So the article suggests that the Girl Boss
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  Speaker 1: might be making a comeback and you know, what is it?
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  Speaker 1: And why did we ever fall out of this trend? Really? Say? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was like a bit of a phenomenon in the
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  Speaker 1: twenty tens. Yes, the term girl boss was first popularized
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  Speaker 1: by American business woman Sophia Amroso, founder of the online
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  Speaker 1: fashion retailer Nasty Goal, which I was like throw back,
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  Speaker 1: I know, did you ever watch her TV show on
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  Speaker 1: netwlit I was gonna ask you about this. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: never watched it, but I have seen people discuss it
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  Speaker 1: being like it was really good. It was so good.
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  Speaker 1: It was it really cheesy it was, and it was
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  Speaker 1: like the epitome of those like twenty ten shows where
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  Speaker 1: the lead is just insufferable. And she worked on the
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  Speaker 1: show too, I gave and I think that it was
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  Speaker 1: partially based on her book hashtag Girl girl Boss, which
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  Speaker 1: also came out in twenty fourteen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yes, it was a real thing.
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  Speaker 1: She was definitely the face of that but inspired like
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  Speaker 1: a whole phenomenon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a revolution, if.
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  Speaker 1: You will, Because in twenty seventeen, the term hashtag girl
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  Speaker 1: boss had reached over two point five million hashtag posts
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram. However, today the hashtag girl boss has more
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  Speaker 1: than twenty eight million hashtags on Instagram. Yeah, so like
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  Speaker 1: it's I think when you look at that it's like,
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  Speaker 1: did it actually then go anywhere?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Seriously, Or I would love to do like a content
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  Speaker 1: analysis and see how many of those hashtags are being
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  Speaker 1: used ironically, because I think people are still like girl
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  Speaker 1: boss or like the whole thing of like a girl
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  Speaker 1: boss too close to the sun that was women in
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  Speaker 1: stem yeah, exactly, Like I wonder how many of those
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  Speaker 1: women in stam hashtags are actually women in stamp, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Or it's just a little funny haha, Yeah, because I
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  Speaker 1: do think, like, as with so many of this and
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  Speaker 1: we'll get into it later, it originates from a place
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  Speaker 1: of you know, what's supposed to be either fun or empowerment. Yeah. However,
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  Speaker 1: when you kind of look at things with lack this term,
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  Speaker 1: it can kind of fall apart a little bit, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: into why it's built up to that. And so Leah Shepherd,
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  Speaker 1: who has a PhD, says this idea of girl boss
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  Speaker 1: feminism arose in response to sexism in the workplace. Throughout
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  Speaker 1: the twentieth century, women were relegated to assistant positions and
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  Speaker 1: didn't have opportunities to grow. The twenty tents were a
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  Speaker 1: time of female ambition and entrepreneurship, so the hashtag girl
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  Speaker 1: Boss movement was popular because part of its key mesas
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  Speaker 1: was encouraging female empowerment and women empowerment in the workplace
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  Speaker 1: and in life. Yeah, Like, I think when it initially
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  Speaker 1: popped up, people found it really motivating and inspired saying,
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  Speaker 1: and it was you know, we've referenced this sort of
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  Speaker 1: era in media as well. When we were growing up
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  Speaker 1: in the two thousands, so many of our favorite films
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  Speaker 1: and pop culture moments featured women in the workplace, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, Suddenly Thirty or How to Lose a Guy
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  Speaker 1: in Ten Days, or even reality TV shows like The Hills,
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  Speaker 1: which showed them are working at teen Vogue and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, okay, cool, Like I want to be a
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  Speaker 1: career oriented woman, And that was very inspirational as a
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  Speaker 1: child and as like a teenager and a young woman
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  Speaker 1: in the two thousands. Yes, But like you said, with
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these things that do start off as inspirational,
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  Speaker 1: I do think when they become like a marketing term
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  Speaker 1: or move into like the mainstream, then they can potentially
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  Speaker 1: be picked apart and pulled apart, which is kind of
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  Speaker 1: like what happened with the Girl Boss because despite the
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  Speaker 1: intentions of it being positive and uplifting. I think then
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  Speaker 1: people started to look at it with a more critical
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  Speaker 1: lens and say, is this actually aspirational or is it condescending? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I think you can probably have that discussion with
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  Speaker 1: so many things, For example, girl math exactly. So like
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  Speaker 1: girl math, we had come out and it was t
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  Speaker 1: he ha ha funny, funny. Yeah, that it would be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: when I buy something online and I return it, I
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  Speaker 1: actually made money girl math, Yeah, And like I kind
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  Speaker 1: of found it funny as well when it took off
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  Speaker 1: as like a little bit of a trend. And then
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  Speaker 1: we also had the counter part of boy math, like
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  Speaker 1: when he says his six foot that's boy math. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: still one of the funniest things to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: But similar with that, it then was kind of just like, hmm,
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  Speaker 1: are we then still furthering this narrative that well, anything
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  Speaker 1: any category, whether it's boss, whether it's dinner, whether it's math.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as we're putting the word girl in front
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  Speaker 1: of it, are we making it this frivolous thing not
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  Speaker 1: to be taken too seriously. Yeah, that is kind of
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  Speaker 1: where all of those trends, aesthetics, categories of distinction have
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  Speaker 1: gone towards Yeah, it's not done. Girl math is actually
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  Speaker 1: the fact that women are better at money than men statistically.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm like, whereas when something that has the
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  Speaker 1: word girl in front of it then becomes mainstream, the
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  Speaker 1: needle of it isn't pushed further to highlight how intelligent
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  Speaker 1: and smart women are, It actually becomes laced with a
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  Speaker 1: tone of condescension. Yeah, it really worked hard not to
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  Speaker 1: say condensation. Then my brain went into vital five and
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  Speaker 1: it was like and then the cafe kicked in and
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  Speaker 1: it went I've got shit. It was like, sit down,
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  Speaker 1: I'll handle this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't worry. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And because I think with the term girl boss especially
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  Speaker 1: it putting girl in front of boss, like we don't
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  Speaker 1: call men boy boss. Yeah, they just the boss. So
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, there's something really unique and magical and
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  Speaker 1: out of this world because you're a female who's also
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  Speaker 1: a boss, and that Yes, of course we want to
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  Speaker 1: celebrate women in business, and we do know that women
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  Speaker 1: in business do have to face challenges that men don't.
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  Speaker 1: But also like, is this I think that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: We started using this title as a way to empower women.
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  Speaker 1: But then it's like is it actually separating it and
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  Speaker 1: being like you're good for a girl, like you know what,
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  Speaker 1: maybe used to say that in primary school, like you
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  Speaker 1: can swim pretty fast for a girl, or like you're
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  Speaker 1: good at this for a girl kind of gives that
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  Speaker 1: sort of vice in a way which I think people
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  Speaker 1: would get annoyed with because it gives a double standard
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  Speaker 1: that like, oh, good job. Isn't it so impressive that
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  Speaker 1: you founded your own business? And it's like why should
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  Speaker 1: that be considered something really marvelous, Like it should just
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  Speaker 1: be like we should be on an equal playing field.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, So I think there were then.
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  Speaker 1: Lots of articles and things that came out in the
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  Speaker 1: twenty tens and it was like the end of the
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  Speaker 1: Girl Boss and lots of people were tearing that down,
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  Speaker 1: and even I think then with Nasty Gal, for example,
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  Speaker 1: people were also very critical. Well, for adian should be
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more critical Freudian slip, people were quite
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  Speaker 1: Now we're gonna say with that for a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not ready to move up from that critical. I
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  Speaker 1: think this weekend I'm going to get a little bit cltical.
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  Speaker 1: That's when you're like horny but also using critical thinking. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: table let's get clinical, clinical, Let's put that shit on
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  Speaker 1: a shirt, Let's get clinical. So people were also critical
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  Speaker 1: of brands like Nasty Gal and maybe some of the
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  Speaker 1: ethics of those businesses and of like the people behind it,
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  Speaker 1: as well as the movement in general. So while that
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  Speaker 1: was like a very millennial thing in the twenty tens
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  Speaker 1: when millennial women were first going into the workforce, over
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  Speaker 1: the last like five or so years, I think we've
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  Speaker 1: seen people rejecting the notion, right. Yeah, I think we've
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  Speaker 1: seen more of like a growth towards female founder.
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  Speaker 2: Rather than girl boss.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think you could potentially steal maybe question
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  Speaker 1: why we even do need that distinction. I think you
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  Speaker 1: could look at it with the other lens of the
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  Speaker 1: fact that it is harder to be a female founder.
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  Speaker 1: It is more difficult to get funding as a woman,
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  Speaker 1: it is more difficult to get promotions as a woman.
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  Speaker 1: So where there is distinction, you could also look at
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  Speaker 1: it as part of the fact that it is actually
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  Speaker 1: harder to be a woman in business. And what I
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  Speaker 1: thought was very interesting from that Vogue article as well
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  Speaker 1: was the discussion of the ambition gap between men and women,
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  Speaker 1: And we talk about a lot of these things that
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  Speaker 1: you know, we've got the gender pay gap, but where
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  Speaker 1: the ambition gap comes into it is the fact that
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  Speaker 1: women do not get the same support and opportunities as men.
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  Speaker 1: So their ambition and their drive can feel and fall
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  Speaker 1: flat because there's the thought of, well, what's the point
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  Speaker 1: I don't have the support I need to get that
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  Speaker 1: role and I'm also doing all of these other things
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  Speaker 1: at home that if I was able to, like, agine
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  Speaker 1: how powerful women would be if they also had to
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  Speaker 1: stay at home wife.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah seriously, wow, wow.
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  Speaker 1: That would be great. Like imagine what women could achieve
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  Speaker 1: if they also had you know, a stay at home
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  Speaker 1: white for mum running the household for them. Yeah, that's great,
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  Speaker 1: And because there's still so much guilt that comes with
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  Speaker 1: that as well being an ambitious woman, especially if you
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  Speaker 1: do have a family or you're in a relationship. And
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: when I'm saying that, I'm saying that like stay at
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: home moms and wives and all of that do so
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: much exactly. So like that, like whether or not you
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: do work or you stay at home, whatever that is,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: like that is full a full time role. Yeah. And
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: so then you also, on top of that, have women
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: that work full time and do a lot of the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: unpaid labor of being a mum, and so it's like
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: that snowball effect of it. Yeah, And so there was
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: also a really interesting article in Psychology Today that highlighted
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the double standard with the girl boss theme and that
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it's sexist to suggest that women have different characteristic skills
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: or preferences than those of men, unless those differences paint
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: women in a more favorable light than men, in which
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: case those differences should be shouted from the rooftops. So
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that's like kind of what all were saying before, being like, actually,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: women have more hurdles. So to have that distinction of
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: a female founder or a girl boss, if you want
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: to use that term, is to probably actually highlight the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: hurdles that women have to go through in order to
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: achieve the same status level of workplace as a man.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: As well as those critiques of the Girl Boss, we've
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: also seen attitudes towards work change as well, just as
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a whole for gen Z compared to millennials or other
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: generations who may have resonated with the Girl Boss. So
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: gen Z changing the way that they approach work, and
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are prioritizing their mental
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: health and work life balance over career ambition. So we've
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: seen a lot of articles about this, and we have
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: spoken about this kind of attitude shift before, but we
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: wanted to know what you chicks thought about it. So
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: we asked what you value most in your working life.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Let's go from bottom to top. Fifteen percent of you
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: said that you value your work's impact the most. Fifteen
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: percent said you value your role, title or dream job
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the most. Thirty three percent of you said you value
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: your salary the most, and the most popular value thirty
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: six percent of you said you value your work colleagues
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: or team the most. Share. Yeah, so people actually care
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: more about their working environment and the people that they
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: work with rather than even their job.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Title or salary. That's good.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice, isn't it. It is? Yeah, And I
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: feel like that's a good value to have because as well,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, as much as I'm like, like,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you should be getting paid exactly what you're worth and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: what you deserve, but at the end of the day,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: would you rather be in a job that Yeah, maybe
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you're getting paid like fuck ton of money, like two
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: hundred k a year, but you go in and you
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: hate your life every single fucking day exactly, or you
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: earn less than that, but you go in and you
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: like the people that you're around and stuff like that,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: because we've had the best of both worlds. Yeah, and reference,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: and like, I've worked with people that I really really
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: liked and like that may going into work fun and exciting,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and then I've worked with people that I fucking hate it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting because people aren't chasing
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: promotions or you know, the dream of being a CEO.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: They're looking for a more holistic approach that provides them
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: with more happiness and fulfillmat which I also thinks makes
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: sense when we're talking about what people look back on
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: in their life and they think about the most, and
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: it's the relationships. Yeah, And you spend so much time
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: with the like so much time with your work, your
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: work colleagues, Like in your early twenties, especially when you
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: just move out, you see your colleagues more than you
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: see your own family. Yeah. So that's also why I
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: like whenever I'd be frustrated with a colleague or anything
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: like that, because that's bound to happen, I would kind
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: of tell myself, you know, we see these people more
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: we see than we see our family, So like, naturally
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: there's always going to be some friction at some point
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: in time. But I don't think you should ever be
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: in the position where you're going into work with dread exactly,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: because that's like one of the worst feelings in the world.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I think, like dread anxiety is just I really don't
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: like that one. That one makes me feel not nice
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: in the tummy. I don't like that one. Yeah, that's
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Sunday scariest. Watch what's this person going to say today?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: How are they going to upset me today? How are
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: they going to ruin my day to day? And that
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: like dread that for me, everyone would obviously have different
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: values what they can get through, But for me, that one,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I was just like, I don't like this. Yeah, here's
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: my letter it was all for But that's really like
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: that gives me a lot of hope, and I do
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: like that. Because we've also seen a lot of conversations
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: around quiet quitting and people valuing work life balance more
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: than career ambition and really like doing more than what
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: they're being paid for. What is quite quitting? What is
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: quiet quitting? Zell So, quiet quitting is when an employee
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: does exactly what they're paid for, so exactly what is
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: in their job description, and not going above and beyond that,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: so not working longer hours than you need to, taking
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: your sick leave, taking your lunch break, and not working
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: outside of your role description. Huh yeah, I don't know
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: if I would call that quiet quitting right, honest. Well,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that was actually we did get because we polled the
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: chicks and asked them what they thought about quiet quitting.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Forty eight percent of you chicks voted that quiet quitting
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: is setting boundaries, sixteen percent said it was lazy, and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: thirty six percent of you didn't really know what it meant.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: But we did get some interesting dms basically pointing that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: out and saying this term of quiet quitting and laziness
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: shouldn't even be in the same sentence. But that is
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: some of the critiques and comments that I've seen online
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: around quiet quitting, which is why I wanted to ask
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: that because I don't think that it's necessarily true. I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: don't think that's like an accurate name to the description
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: of that point, because you should be going into work
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: for the sad hours that you have, and you should
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: simply be doing what your job description states, like, I
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: am yes, every now and again, there may be this
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: like thing that you want to go above on four
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: or like once every six months if there's like a
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: shoot that starts an hour earlier. I don't know, right,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: but to constantly expect people to do more. There was
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: this scene from a new Emma Stone movie that's coming
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: out and I literally just saw the ones and I
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: haven't seen the movie or couldn't even tell you the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: name of it, to be honest, I just watched the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: clip and then scrolling and she was talking with like
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a head of hr being like, and did you send
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: out that email that we discussed new era, new values.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Everyone everyone needs to finish work and go home at
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: five point thirty And she's like, but remember that tone,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: like like we discussed yeah, And it was like so
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: like if you finish your work, no, go home, go home.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: If you finish your work, but if you haven't finished
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: everything that you need to do, then you know, use
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: use your better judgment. Yeah, and that kind of pressure
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: that happens in the workplace so often. Yeah, of like
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you more than you were actually
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: able to do within these hours. And then I'm gonna
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: put that stress on you. And that was also kind
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: of referenced in this article. That was like an expectation
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: to do more and go above and beyond, whereas we're
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: now seeing a shift, especially within younger demographics. And why
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: this kind of girl boss resurgence is happening is because
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: people think, well, why should I put this much effort
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: into growing something for you rather than growing something for myself.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: And I think one of the top careers for younger
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: generations and when I'm saying that, I'm meaning like lateeens
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to early twenties, and I do think this is bleeding
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: up into older generations as well, is to just be
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: an entrepreneur and to own your own business. And it's
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: why we're seeing this resurgence of the girl boss come back,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: because people are like, why am I breaking my back
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: for someone who actually doesn't even know my name? Yeah? Yeah,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and like how that comes into it? And so I
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: feel like quiet quitting needs like a rebrand because that,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to me, isn't quitting, that's just doing your job. Yeah, Well,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that shows where we've been as a society. If quiet
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: quitting is doing what you're being paid for and what's
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: in your job description, which I thought was really interesting,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: and I do like that we are moving towards people
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: sort of asking these questions of do I want to
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: be doing this for somebody else or do I want
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: to be building something up for myself? Because also in
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: even like the Australian social media industry, we're seeing so
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: many incredible female founders building amazing brands and kind of
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: becoming like girl boss icons in their own right, like yeah,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Britney Saunders of Faye or Riley Hempsen of Remy Grace Beverley,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: like they're amazing. I do think female founders definitely get
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: held in a more critical lens than men, but I
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: think we could go down that rabbit hole for a
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: very long term. So rather than going down that, I
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: want to get into more in a positive lens of
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: what does being a girl boss mean to you? And
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: so we also brought the chicks in to have this discussion.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: But in the Vogue article, it suggests that the girl
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: boss era, whether it was positive or negative, maybe in
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the past, but it has changed the way women move
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: in the workplace more so we're now more aware of
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: like the institutional issues facing feminist presence in professional settings,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and while there's still a long way to go, we
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: know the changes that need to happen, such as the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: gender pay gap and the fact that for every one
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: dollar a man earns, a woman on average earns only
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: eighty eight point eight cents, and in twenty fourteen, a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: woman on average was earning eighty one cents to a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: man's dollar. So while it's improving in some ways, we're
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: also it's not done, you know. Yeah, But also it's
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: not just about the money too, Like it is about
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: you know, the different opportunities and the way that women
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: are treated in the workplace and taken seriously as well. Yeah,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and like creating safe space for women to do that
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and feel like they're being respected and listen to and taken.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Seriously in the workplace.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: And I think the monetary dollar is just only one
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: way that people do that. And like having these conversations
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: around female founders and in a way that isn't like
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the girl boss is bad because I think that we'll
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: just fall into the same cycle. But yeah, being more
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: clitical or critical yeah around it.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Being a girl.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Boss is going to look different to everyone, and what
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you get out of your career is going to be
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: different to every single person, and forty four percent of
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: you chicks said that some of your self worth is
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: tied to your career, and I think, like we were
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: definite say the same, a lot of our identity is
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: tied to our career, even prior to doing this job.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: So I do think that it is important to get
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: value and passion out of what you're doing, and whether
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: that is still doing you know, quiet quitting in quotation
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: marks and doing what you're paid for, but still asking
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: yourself like is this something that I really want to do?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Or would I get more value out of working for myself? Yeah,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: or even like I do also think values come into
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: it in terms of like do you even want to
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: work that hard? Some people just love going to their shift,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: whether it's you know, working their favorite bookstore or you know,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: making coffees, like whatever it is. Some people are like, yep,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I want to just get in, get my paycheck, go.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: With my life.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like that's amazing. I think my concern when
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: we kind of pulling these things is it then puts
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: this pressure on all women to be like, well, if
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you're not a.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Girl boss, you're failing.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: But that's not the case because at the end of
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the day, you work to live, you don't live to work.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And I do think we are getting so much more
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: aligned to that in society and in life, and I
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: think that's so much more fun.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Because like, what's the point in doing all.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Of this is that are you going to be at
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: your funeral and someone's going to be doing your speech
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: and they're going to go Jessica was a really really
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: big girl boss, and she always met her deadlines and
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: really knew how to run a marketing meeting.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: She made an amazing spreadsheet.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Jessica could kill a spreadsheet, you know, she smashed that
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: fuck that. You know, like they're not gonna put girl
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Boss on your tombstone. So at the end of the day,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: as fulfilling and incredible as enjoying your career is, that's
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: like the main priority that it should be. You know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: it shouldn't be the fact that you have to fulfill
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: all of the checkboxes to be able to be like yeap, cool,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: done the girl boss, Because like, at the end of
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: the day, and what this entire thing is is what
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: does that actually even mean? So to wrap it up,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: we asked you, chicks, what does being a girl boss mean?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: To you, and we wanted to read out some of
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: our favorites. So number one having the ability to do
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: it all and be seene, being independent, self sufficient, and
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: having meaningful relationships. I like that this one on the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: flip side, a woman in the workplace that would have
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: bullied me in high school. Being a girl boss means
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: building success on my terms. Another one says a patronizing
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: term used by men. Oh, understanding that as humans we
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: aren't undimensional. Do whatever makes you happy. Then two we
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: have is taking up the same space men do and
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: not giving a fuck. And then another one says cringey
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, loll And then someone else said, I
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: have no idea, but I want it. I feel like
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that is exactly what this episode has encompassed. Yeah, that
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: there is so many different opinions and views on this term. Yeah,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and that how that term has evolved has been met
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: with mixed responses, with least responses. Yeah. And so I
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: do think, as always with these Internet terms, as they arise,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: you can either lean into it or be like, no, okay,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I'm good. Yeah, exactly do you think do you do
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you think you would start using the term girl boss? No? Never,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I hated it then and I hate it now. I'm
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: not a fan of like hashtag hustle culture. No, it's
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: never been something that I aligned with, but I do.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I did always love when I saw people taking inspiration
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: from it, and I love seeing the female founders who
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: are now in the space inspiring a lot of women
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: out there to chase their dreams and build their own
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: businesses and create the teams and workspaces that they want
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to be in. So I think it is that it's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: looking at a term like girl boss, and if you
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: can take inspiration from it, love that.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: And if you look at it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: And you see that it's just a bunch of letters
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: jumbled together that really mean nothing to you, that's also fine. Yeah.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think that would be my go to word
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: to describe someone that I look up to in a
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: career way. Like I don't think I would say, like, oh, well,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: like Grace so smart, she's such a girl boss. Like
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, she's so smart, she's really good at productivity.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Like I don't think any of those descriptive words need
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: to have the gendered term within it. Yeah, Yeah, And
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: that's kind of how I look at it, and I
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: don't think I always felt that way, like when I
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: was younger, like in twenty fourteen, I can't do math,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: so I don't know how old I was, but I
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: was seventeen and I was like, oh yeah, like yes,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: so kinnant and then yeah. Also, as you get older
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: or you develop more and read more critical opinions of it,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay. So I think it's a nice
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: reminder to like this episode has been like a nice
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: reminder to support women more and like to realize that
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: we don't get given the opportunities and to seek support
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and to fuel your ambition in whatever ways that fill
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: your cup. Like the best way to support women in
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: business is to give them space to create things, to
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: ask questions, to get paid what they deserved, and shot
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: with business at small businesses that are founded by women.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Follow women on Instagram and boost them up in the
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: comments when they're launching something like support your friends who
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: are starting their own small business. And that's going to
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: do a lot more than calling someone a girl boss. Yes,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I think that's a perfect note to end on. Well,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: thank you chicks for having us in your ear holes.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: We La La La love to be here, La La
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: La Big kisses, big smooches, and we'll see you.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: On Thursday with a strong woman exactly.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Bye Bye,