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Tacoma Tot Teekah Lewis Seemingly Disappears Into Thin Air at Bowling Alley · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and the middle of a
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Speaker 1: bowling alley. You think everybody's having fun, because I know
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Speaker 1: we do lots of fun at the bowling alley. But
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Speaker 1: how does a little girl seemingly disappear into thin air
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Speaker 1: from the middle of a bowling alley with her family there?
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Speaker 1: How does that happen? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. When
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Speaker 1: I go bowling with the twins with or without my
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Speaker 1: husband David, I can see them sitting right there. They
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Speaker 1: don't just disappe here into thin air. But that is
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened to this little girl. We want answers.
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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this. It was
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Speaker 1: January twenty third. Tika was at a crowded bowling alley
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Speaker 1: with her family in Tacoma, Washington. Members of the family
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Speaker 1: were taking turns watching Tika and some other young children
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Speaker 1: with them, and they were distracted for a few moments.
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Speaker 1: When they turned around, she was gone. Since then, no
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Speaker 1: one has seen her. Now I get being distracted at
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Speaker 1: the bowling alley because when as you're turned to bowl,
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Speaker 1: you get the ball, you go up, you set your
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Speaker 1: sights on the pins, and you roll it out. You
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Speaker 1: see what happens. You wait and you see your score,
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Speaker 1: so you're looking. I would guess at least a minute.
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Speaker 1: And I know what a lot of functions say at
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Speaker 1: a church function or a family reunion, or where you
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Speaker 1: feel you know everybody, you're not staring at your child
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Speaker 1: the whole time. How did this little girl just two
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Speaker 1: years old? She's beautiful? How does she go missing in
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Speaker 1: a crowded bowling alley? Again, thank you for being with
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Speaker 1: us here at Fox Station sleven. I want to introduce
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Speaker 1: to you an all star panel of guests, each one
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Speaker 1: an expert in their own right to try to make
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Speaker 1: sense of it all with me. Dale Carson, criminal defense
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Speaker 1: attorney joining us out of Jacksonville. Not just a criminal
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Speaker 1: defense attorney, renowned criminal defense attorney, but former FBI and
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Speaker 1: former co author of Arrest Proof Yourself. I don't like that,
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Speaker 1: but the rest I like a lot. Psychoanalyst to the stars,
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Speaker 1: joining us out of La Doctor Bethany Marshall. You can
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Speaker 1: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com and she's
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Speaker 1: star of a brand new Netflix series, Bling Empire. Investigator
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Speaker 1: Dan Scott, former La County Sheriff sergeant twenty six years
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Speaker 1: special Victims Bureau specializing in child old cases. Olivia Lavoy's
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Speaker 1: crime reporter joining us for qute thirteen Fox at Seattle
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Speaker 1: and you can find her on Twitter at q thirteen Olivia.
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Speaker 1: But first I want to go to a very special
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Speaker 1: guest joining us, a woman I feel that I befriended
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Speaker 1: over the years, Teresa English. This is Tica's mother and
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Speaker 1: you can find her at to go fund me help
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Speaker 1: pay for a private investigator, and boy do they need one.
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Speaker 1: First of all, Miss English, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of blame I'll just put it
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Speaker 1: out there has been cast on you because you're the
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Speaker 1: mom Antica disappeared on your watch. But after many, many
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Speaker 1: investigations into this particular case, I think the attacks on
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Speaker 1: you are unjustified. Tell me, Miss English, what happened? What
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Speaker 1: do you remember of the night Tica just disappeared the
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Speaker 1: boy alley. It was a family function. I had family
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Speaker 1: members there's I had my brother and my sister in laws,
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Speaker 1: I had my boyfriend at the time, and we were
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Speaker 1: all just having fun, you know, and Pica was Miss
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Speaker 1: Miss English. Miss English, look write this down, because you
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Speaker 1: know what, the many times I've looked this case. I
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Speaker 1: didn't know how who what members of your extended family
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Speaker 1: were there? Was this some kind of a reunion or
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Speaker 1: a get together of sorts. It was a get together
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Speaker 1: because I never got out the house. You know, I
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Speaker 1: had four other kids. So my brother invited me to
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Speaker 1: go out with them and my oldest three daughters. They
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Speaker 1: went with their aunt and I had my two youngest one.
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Speaker 1: I had my two year old and my ten months
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Speaker 1: old at the time, the two year old and you're
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Speaker 1: ten months old. Oh man, you got your hands full.
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Speaker 1: I know how it was when the twins or ten
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Speaker 1: months old. How they were when they were two years
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Speaker 1: old and they were starting to walk. Okay, so your
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Speaker 1: brother is his wife there, His wife is there. My
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Speaker 1: other brother and his girlfriend was there. Yes. Did they
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Speaker 1: have children and were the children there? Yes, my brother
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Speaker 1: had his son and he was oh, he was just
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Speaker 1: a couple of months old, so he was focused on
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Speaker 1: his baby boy. And what about the second brother, he
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Speaker 1: was his girl with him and his wife. It was
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Speaker 1: him and his girl. Yeah, him and his girlfriend at
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Speaker 1: the time. Did they have children, No, they didn't have
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Speaker 1: no kids. So it was you, your brother and his wife,
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Speaker 1: the brother and the girlfriend. The infant son. The brother
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Speaker 1: had anybody else from your family? Oh, your boyfriend yes
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Speaker 1: at the time, yes, and anybody else. M my sister,
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Speaker 1: she had her family members there, so it was a
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Speaker 1: it was a big group. How many family members did
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Speaker 1: your sister, Brian? Oh, there was probably like six seven
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Speaker 1: other ones, So it was a pretty big group. Now,
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Speaker 1: hold of just a moment, Miss English, I want to
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Speaker 1: go straight out to Dell Carson joining us out of
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville right now now, not only a criminal defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: but former FBI and deal. You know, that's kind of
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Speaker 1: it's almost like a family reunion. And I am lulled
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Speaker 1: into a sense of complacency when I'm at a family
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Speaker 1: get together because you feel like with your own family
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Speaker 1: so many of them around, for pete sake, that's at
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Speaker 1: least twelve people, I think right there, you feel safe
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Speaker 1: and you feel like everybody is watching each other's children,
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Speaker 1: or at least I would feel that way. Well, that's right,
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Speaker 1: And I think that one of the odd things that
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Speaker 1: we don't understand about petophiles and serial killers is that
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Speaker 1: they often communicate with one another. And it's a known
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Speaker 1: fact in those circles that amusement areas are prime for
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Speaker 1: picking up potential victims. And we here in Florida where
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Speaker 1: these arcades as they were back in the nineties. Of
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Speaker 1: course it's different today. We're basically used as a stomping
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Speaker 1: ground for people picking up young boys and girls who
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Speaker 1: would be runaways and end up in those places. And
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Speaker 1: they would go in and they'd place a stack of quarters,
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Speaker 1: which were used at that time to operate the machines,
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Speaker 1: and that's how they would lure them. So I don't
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Speaker 1: think anybody really realizes that. When you're in a family
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Speaker 1: group like that and you're paying attention to one another,
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Speaker 1: you're certainly not expecting that someone would think that an
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Speaker 1: amusement area is someplace where you might find an abductive child.
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Speaker 1: And so I think, you know what, I'm very torn
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Speaker 1: about what you're saying. Part of me knows that it's true.
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Speaker 1: But I remember my brother, my older brother, helped put
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Speaker 1: himself to college working at one of those arcades send
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Speaker 1: them all at the time, I also worked at them
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Speaker 1: all at Sears and Robot Okay, And I would go
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Speaker 1: by and I would see my brother, you know, there,
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Speaker 1: and he's about seven or eight years older than me,
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Speaker 1: And I never thought of it that way. But let
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Speaker 1: me tell you this deal. One of the first, not
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Speaker 1: the first, but one of the first childless station cases
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Speaker 1: I had was a little boy I recalled. He was
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Speaker 1: about nine to eleven years old, and he was learning disabled,
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Speaker 1: could hardly speak, and he loved the video arcade deal,
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Speaker 1: loved it and his mom would give him a role
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Speaker 1: of quarters and take him to the video kade and arcade,
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Speaker 1: not sit in the parking lot and work or whatever
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Speaker 1: she was doing, and then you know they'd go home. Well,
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Speaker 1: one time she found I think it was a twenty
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Speaker 1: dollar folded up bill in his pocket. Turns out at
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Speaker 1: the arcade he had met a pedophile who would sodomize
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Speaker 1: the little boy and in payment would give him some quarters.
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Speaker 1: So it seems like a very innocent place when I
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Speaker 1: was growing up working at Series and Robot, it's not
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Speaker 1: always innocent. Time stories with Nancy Grace and I want
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Speaker 1: to follow up on what deal. Courson lawyer right at
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville is saying with Dan Scott, former La County's sheriffs sergeant,
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Speaker 1: he's right. So while mom who's with us right now,
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Speaker 1: Teresa English is minding her own business as she's there
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Speaker 1: with her two babies. You don't think, wow, right over there,
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Speaker 1: that group of people, I don't know what of them
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Speaker 1: could be a pedophile. I've been so freaked out about
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Speaker 1: this case. When I took the children alone when they
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Speaker 1: were two or three, starting, you know, going bowling and playing,
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Speaker 1: They'd have to go everywhere with me, even to the bathroom.
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Speaker 1: We could hardly get through a game of bowling because
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Speaker 1: whenever one of them had to go, we'd all go.
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Speaker 1: Because of this case, Tica's case, jump in, Dan Scott.
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Speaker 1: It's always easy in the first person you blame is
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Speaker 1: the mom or the parents, But you have to remember,
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Speaker 1: these are predators that solely look for children. They are
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Speaker 1: experts at it. They're experts at blending in. Yes, it's scary,
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Speaker 1: and yes we do our best to watch our children
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Speaker 1: at all times, but it only takes a moment to
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Speaker 1: turn your attention away when these people will snatch. That's
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Speaker 1: all they do is think about where they can taine
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Speaker 1: a child. What you just said something that really hits
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Speaker 1: home to me. In fact, you just gave me chills
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Speaker 1: on my arm. You said that's all they think about.
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Speaker 1: You're right, For instance, all I think about besides prime
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Speaker 1: stories is the twins? What am I going to cook
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Speaker 1: them for dinner? What are they what's their homework assignment?
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Speaker 1: Where do they have to be? What's the latest in scouts?
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Speaker 1: All of that. I'm consumed with that. That's all they
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Speaker 1: think about. And I want you to take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this. This is our friends at crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Listen as Ticca Lewis is playing in one of the
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Speaker 1: driving games in the Bowling Alley arcade, her mother, Teresa English,
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Speaker 1: looks way just for a few moments to check on
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Speaker 1: her other children in one of the bowling lanes. When
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Speaker 1: English turns back around, Tica is gone. English looks around
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Speaker 1: and between the other games, then runs to the nearby
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Speaker 1: ladies room to check there no Tica. Just six feet
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Speaker 1: away from the arcade where Tica was playing is a
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Speaker 1: side door to the Mowling Alley. Teresa English runs through
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Speaker 1: the door and into the parking lot, screaming her daughter's name,
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Speaker 1: Where is Tica? Oh? Miss English? Miss English? Miss English.
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Speaker 1: You know I can hear that one hundred times, and
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Speaker 1: every time it's just so upsetting. Tell me when you
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Speaker 1: first notice, Miss English, that Tica wasn't or what was happening?
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Speaker 1: I was freaked out. You know, um me having four
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Speaker 1: other kids and Tica was my everything, you know, from
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Speaker 1: day one, from the day I had her, she was
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Speaker 1: my everything. I freaked out, you know you. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I was at a padding. I looked over you in
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Speaker 1: the video games because she was gone. I told her.
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Speaker 1: I told everybody in the group, I said, Tika's not here,
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Speaker 1: Tika's gone. You know, where is she? And what were
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Speaker 1: you doing? Were you bowling? Were you watching somebody bowl?
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Speaker 1: What happened when you turned around? What made you realize
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Speaker 1: she wasn't there? I went to bowl. It was my
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Speaker 1: turn to bull. So I went to Bull and Tica
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Speaker 1: was there because you know, I had just seen her,
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Speaker 1: and I told her, I'm gonna go Bull. I'll be
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Speaker 1: right back. And so I went to go Bull. I
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Speaker 1: turned around, and it took that quick for her to
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Speaker 1: be gone. It was just like within a couple of seconds.
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Speaker 1: Because I went to boy, I didn't change, I didn't
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Speaker 1: check my score. I turned around, you know, if she
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Speaker 1: was gone that quick. Joining me right now is doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold. She's around a psychiatrists joining us out of
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction, and you can find her at angela
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Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com. Doctor Angie, I have to tell
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Speaker 1: you something. Hearing Teresa English talk, yes and listen. You
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Speaker 1: know I will jump on a mom in a New
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Speaker 1: York minute if I think they have anything to do
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Speaker 1: something that happened to their child. You know that. I
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Speaker 1: know that when I hear Teresa English talk, it literally
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Speaker 1: is giving me chill bumps because it reminds me of
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Speaker 1: the day I was in the Babies or Us. You know,
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Speaker 1: that big warehouse thing looking for organic suntan leisure, and
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Speaker 1: I was down on the very boy I'm leveling that.
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Speaker 1: It was really tall shelf like they do it lows
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Speaker 1: maybe your home depot. And I was all the way
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Speaker 1: down there. John David Lucy were right behind me, and
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Speaker 1: I was digging around trying to find it, and I
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Speaker 1: couldn't find it. I stood up and I was looking
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Speaker 1: up and down. I said, well, I guess that I'll
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Speaker 1: have it. And I turned around it there was Lucy,
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Speaker 1: no John David, and that feeling. It's awful. I will
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Speaker 1: never forget it as long as I live. And I
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Speaker 1: really am angry that people have been blaming miss English.
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Speaker 1: She went up to bowl. She turns around and Tika's gone.
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Speaker 1: She immediately sounds the along. Can you imagine running to
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Speaker 1: the ladies bathroom think, oh, she's going to be in there,
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Speaker 1: and you and calm down, this is gonna be okay.
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Speaker 1: You go in there, she's not there, and then you
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Speaker 1: can feel it rising in your chest. I'm really angry
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Speaker 1: with people blaming Miss English all this time, you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I think that the people who have the audacity to
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Speaker 1: blame the mother have never been They must not be
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Speaker 1: mothers themselves, because I think that practically every mother has
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Speaker 1: turned their back for a minute and their children have
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Speaker 1: gone missing. And I have felt that panic. I was
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Speaker 1: at Linux Mall one time, turned around in jim Boree
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Speaker 1: and my two little babies were gone. I almost had
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Speaker 1: the whole mall locked down. And then some woman comes
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Speaker 1: walking down the thing, down the sidewalk or whatever you
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Speaker 1: want to call it, and she had my children and
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Speaker 1: she goes they were watching TV at Pottery Barn, and
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Speaker 1: I was fine, dear lord, And that's half way to
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Speaker 1: tell them all. I'll make this quick, but I just
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Speaker 1: have to tell you one more thing. I was out
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Speaker 1: in Arizona covering the Jody Arias trial and the three
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Speaker 1: of us were staying in a hotel and I had
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Speaker 1: had the twins out at the pool. We were coming
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Speaker 1: in and we all got on the elevator. I pushed
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Speaker 1: John David in. I said, Lucy, come on. Lucy just froze.
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Speaker 1: The elevator closed. I tried to get her. I came
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Speaker 1: immediately back down. As soon as I started pushing all
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Speaker 1: the buttons, she was gone. Oh my gosh. She got
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Speaker 1: on another elevator and I was running up and down
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Speaker 1: all through China. Can you imagine some perv had grabbed
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Speaker 1: her on another floor. I would never have found her.
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Speaker 1: I found her. But my point is, in that moment,
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Speaker 1: in that split second, you can lose your child through
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Speaker 1: no wrongdoing of your own. Joining me right now, in
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Speaker 1: addition to Teresa English, just as Tica's mother is a
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Speaker 1: very well known crime reporter Olivia La Voie joining us
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Speaker 1: from Q thirteen Fox Seattle. Olivia tell me about this
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Speaker 1: bowling alley where Tica goes missing. But the bowling alley
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Speaker 1: is no longer there. But at the time it was
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Speaker 1: incredibly popular, and especially on a Saturday night, and at
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Speaker 1: the time the Tica went missing around ten pm, it
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Speaker 1: was very crowded, and I think that that contributed to
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Speaker 1: the chaos of that night. I mean, on one hand,
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Speaker 1: you might think, oh, the more people the better, because
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Speaker 1: that means there's more witnesses. But in this case, it
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Speaker 1: seems to have been detrimental. You know, there's reports that
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Speaker 1: it was so loud in the bowling alley that when
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Speaker 1: the manager initially went on the loudspeaker to announce that
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Speaker 1: Tica was missing, that it was difficult to hear. It
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Speaker 1: seemed like, you know, people weren't stopping in their tracks
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Speaker 1: and listening per se. So yes, very very crowded that night,
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Speaker 1: in particular, Oh Olivia voice, just hearry that skin crawl,
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Speaker 1: because it seems like everything was going wrong. Time stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace too. Teresa English, this is Tika's mother
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Speaker 1: and please go to her go fund me help pay
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Speaker 1: for a private investigator, and they need one desperately, Miss English.
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Speaker 1: Show you run to the bathroom looking for Tica, and
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Speaker 1: what happens. My sister in law's sister was in there
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Speaker 1: and I asked her, I said, is Tika there? And
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Speaker 1: she was like no, And I said, she's gone. She's
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Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. So I went up to the announcer,
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Speaker 1: and I said, and there was an off duty officer
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Speaker 1: there and he was supposed to be patrolling the grounds,
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Speaker 1: but he wasn't. He was watching everybody bowl. And I
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Speaker 1: told him, I said, my daughter's gone. And he said,
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Speaker 1: are you sure? And I said yes. We searched everywhere, everywhere,
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Speaker 1: and I said, we need help. I need my daughter.
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Speaker 1: And he told everybody to look for a child underneath there.
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Speaker 1: She might have fell asleep. I said, she didn't fall asleep,
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Speaker 1: she's nowhere. We searched everywhere already. I said, we need
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Speaker 1: back up. You guys need to bring more law enforce
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Speaker 1: over here. I mean, my baby. My baby's gone. So
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Speaker 1: like twenty thirty minutes later, that's when the first officer
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Speaker 1: came in. My baby was long gone by then. And
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Speaker 1: I told him, you guys took too long. It's too
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Speaker 1: long of a wait. Guys, I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: our friends at crime all one, Tyler, could you please
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Speaker 1: play our cut zero zero b as in brother Teresa
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Speaker 1: English realizes she needs help and grabs an off duty
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Speaker 1: to come a police officer working for the bowling alley.
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Speaker 1: After another search that to come a police, the FBI,
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Speaker 1: and the National Center for Missing Unexploded Children are called
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Speaker 1: in throughout the night, hundreds of officers search the woods
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Speaker 1: and go door to door in a nearby residential neighborhood
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Speaker 1: with concerns of a family abduction. Relatives are questioned. Teresa
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Speaker 1: English voluntarily submits to two polygraph exams. Tika's father has
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Speaker 1: an ironclad alibi. The parents are cleared. More than two
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Speaker 1: dozen detectives are working on Tika's case full time. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this. We had gone to that Bowling
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Speaker 1: Alley plenty of times, and that was kind of an
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Speaker 1: area where people would kind of just come there with
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Speaker 1: their families and kids can kind of roam. Saturday night,
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Speaker 1: January twenty third, nineteen ninety nine, New Frontiers Bowling Alley
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Speaker 1: was filled with people who had become part of a nightmare.
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Speaker 1: One teenage boy in particular, but he had no way
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Speaker 1: of knowing that. Then I had to use the restroom,
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Speaker 1: so I went towards where the restrooms, where this rude
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Speaker 1: guy bumped into me with this little girl. And since
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Speaker 1: he was white and Tika is mixed, or you know,
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Speaker 1: the little girl was mixed, I just thought it was
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Speaker 1: a father just rushing his daughter to the bathroom. The
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Speaker 1: night went on as usual. When the team and his
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Speaker 1: family went to leave, they noticed police were searching for something,
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Speaker 1: but they wouldn't know what, or rather who, until days later.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend Olivia will Avoye thirteen Fox. Olivia
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Speaker 1: tell me about the sighting of a white male rushing
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Speaker 1: by holding the hand of a little girl. I think
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Speaker 1: that this witness sighting is absolutely key to the case
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Speaker 1: that witness. I interviewed him twenty one years later. He's
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Speaker 1: now an adult man, and you can tell how much
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Speaker 1: what he saw that night has stuck with him because
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Speaker 1: a few days after he bumps into this man. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's a distinct memory for him because he says it
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Speaker 1: was so jarring for him as a teenager to have
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Speaker 1: this adult man bump into him and not acknowledge it
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Speaker 1: and just you know, keep going. And also the man
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Speaker 1: had deep pock marks on his face. The teenage boy
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Speaker 1: he had never seen anything like that. That really stood
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Speaker 1: out to him. And then three days later he see
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Speaker 1: he's take his face all over the news and he says,
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Speaker 1: that's that's the little girl that was with demand the
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Speaker 1: rude man that night, And he immediately his family immediately
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Speaker 1: alerted police. Police did speak with him one back then
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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine, but that was that was it.
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Speaker 1: It took, you know, over twenty years for this tip
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Speaker 1: to be unearthed by a cold case detective who's zeroed
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Speaker 1: in on it and felt like, you know, this is
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Speaker 1: this is truly important. People really need to hear this
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Speaker 1: suspect description. Tyler. I'd like for everyone to hear our
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Speaker 1: cut zero two. This is Olivia Levoy's Q thirteen thoughts. Listen.
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Speaker 1: The little girl he saw that night when he came
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Speaker 1: face to face with the rude man was Tita Lewis.
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Speaker 1: The two year old who was at the bowling alley
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Speaker 1: was a dozen family members when in an instant she vanished,
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Speaker 1: I had to say something, so he did. He was
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Speaker 1: interviewed by detectives in January nineteen ninety nine, but then nothing,
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Speaker 1: No one contacted me. I was easy to find. Maybe
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Speaker 1: what I had to say just wasn't relevant or it
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Speaker 1: wasn't useful. Flash forward two decades. Someone did think what
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Speaker 1: he had to say was most definitely relevant and useful.
23:25
Speaker 1: The cold case investigator who picked through thousands of pages
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Speaker 1: and hundreds of tips when he spotted the one that
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Speaker 1: leaped off the page. This witness actually describes a type
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Speaker 1: of encounter with Tika by this individual, and the description
23:45
Speaker 1: of the individual is not generic, it's it's specific, and
23:48
Speaker 1: it's in its details. It is a very detail. Now
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut zero seven. Listen. At that time,
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Speaker 1: there would have been no way for the collar to
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Speaker 1: a man with a popmarked had been mentioned in the
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Speaker 1: first few days of the investigation. The individual that we're
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Speaker 1: trying to identify is a white male five foot eleven
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Speaker 1: with a husky build. He is described as having a
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Speaker 1: shoulder length brown, curly or wavy hair, with a thick
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Speaker 1: mustache and a heavily pockmarked face. The night of Tika's disappearance,
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Speaker 1: he was wearing a blue flannel shirt and faded jeans.
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Speaker 1: His motivation to solve this case is simple, Tika's mother.
24:34
Speaker 1: It really makes it easy to try to keep the
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Speaker 1: case alive for her and to try to find her
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Speaker 1: some answers. She has never given up on her daughter,
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Speaker 1: finding her daughter, and I really admire that he's not
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Speaker 1: going to stop looking until we find them. And she
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Speaker 1: is with us today rosa English. She says, Tika's mother
24:59
Speaker 1: has ever given up and now you know more than
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Speaker 1: ever why they need a private eye on this case.
25:06
Speaker 1: You can go to go fund me help pay for
25:08
Speaker 1: a private investigator. This mother, Teresa English, is still trying
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Speaker 1: to find her girl. Think about it. Would you give up?
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would never give up, and neither has she.
25:21
Speaker 1: Back to Olivia Levoy's crime reporter Q thirteen Fox joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Seattle, Olivia, I hear the reporter stating
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Speaker 1: that a car called in about a white male with
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Speaker 1: pot marks on his face. Who was the caller? So
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Speaker 1: the caller was a woman who was at the Bowling
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Speaker 1: Alley about a week or so after Tika's disappearance. I
25:47
Speaker 1: think it was actually less than that, just a matter
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Speaker 1: of days, and America's Most Wanted was at the Bowling
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Speaker 1: Alley shooting a re enactment of the case to feature
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Speaker 1: the case, and this woman that a man with a
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Speaker 1: heavily pockmarked face was hanging around the news crew, and
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Speaker 1: she felt, you know, I mean, it's not unusual that
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Speaker 1: if america is Most Wanted is in your town filming
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Speaker 1: something that you know, you might hang around and watch.
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Speaker 1: But this individual's behavior was so odd to her that
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Speaker 1: she called the Tacoma Police Department to say, hey, you
26:27
Speaker 1: guys should check this guy out. Here's this description. Something
26:31
Speaker 1: was off with him, just the way he was sort
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Speaker 1: of lurking. And in the description she notes that he
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Speaker 1: has a heavily pockmark face. And the detective, the cold
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Speaker 1: case detective who connected these tips, said, there's no way
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Speaker 1: that's a coincidence. There's no way that woman could have
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Speaker 1: known that we had another witness see a man with
26:52
Speaker 1: pockmark face with pica that night. Okay, a lot of
26:56
Speaker 1: things crashing in my head right now, but one thing
26:59
Speaker 1: that tells me and Scott former La County Sheriff sergeant
27:03
Speaker 1: twenty six years SVU is that this guy is local.
27:07
Speaker 1: It's not that he was coming through the interstate that night,
27:10
Speaker 1: maybe a trucker or maybe a visitor. He's local because
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Speaker 1: he's still in town a week later when America's must
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Speaker 1: wanted shows up at the Bowling Alley to do a reenact,
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Speaker 1: he's still there. This guy is local. I agree completely,
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Speaker 1: and it's a tragedy that they did not The police
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Speaker 1: did not pick up on this. I mean, I hate
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Speaker 1: to bash anybody in second guess him, but there were
27:37
Speaker 1: opportunities to put that description out to the public. That
27:41
Speaker 1: information needs to be out immediately. They did call the FBI,
27:47
Speaker 1: which is what they should have done, and they got
27:49
Speaker 1: the assistance because the FBI is excellent at this type
27:53
Speaker 1: of crime. But how they missed that, I have no
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Speaker 1: idea if they have got that unique description out of
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Speaker 1: the public. I agree he is probably a local, or was,
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Speaker 1: at least at the time. Time stories with Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: back to Teresa English, just as Tika's mother. Teresa, again,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Sometimes I hate to ask to
28:31
Speaker 1: speak to you because I don't want to dredge everything
28:34
Speaker 1: back up again, but yet I feel we have to.
28:38
Speaker 1: What do you make of these reports of the white
28:41
Speaker 1: male with pot marks? I mean, come on, You've got
28:44
Speaker 1: a white male with pot marks seeing that night, plowing
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Speaker 1: through a crowd dragging a little girl that matches Tika's
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Speaker 1: description by the hand. Then you see this guy, this
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Speaker 1: freaky dude, a white male with pop marks, showing up
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Speaker 1: at the re enact with America's most woman back at
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Speaker 1: the bowling alley. You don't know how mad I was
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Speaker 1: when I found out this information. I was living, you know,
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Speaker 1: knowing that this young teenager came up to you know,
29:18
Speaker 1: called three days later and said that he's seen who
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Speaker 1: Toutica and they did nothing about this nothing. I want
29:25
Speaker 1: to follow up on what we're talking about. I guess
29:29
Speaker 1: you've all heard of the missing and murdered Atlanta children,
29:34
Speaker 1: the Wayne Williams case. The guy that brought me under
29:40
Speaker 1: his wing when I joined the District Attorney's office was
29:43
Speaker 1: ahead of the appeals division and he had worked on
29:47
Speaker 1: the Wayne Williams case. My boss, mister Slayton, had tried
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Speaker 1: the case along with others. And one of the facts
29:55
Speaker 1: and let me throw this out to you Del Carson
29:58
Speaker 1: and doctor Angela Arnold, is that Wayne Williams the murderer.
30:03
Speaker 1: I think of most of the missing and murdered young men,
30:08
Speaker 1: they ranged in ages from like ten and eleven up
30:11
Speaker 1: to twenty one. He fancied himself to be a freelance reporter,
30:16
Speaker 1: and before anybody else would know about the missing child
30:21
Speaker 1: or the body discovered, he would show up. It could
30:24
Speaker 1: be three o'clock in the morning, could be six o'clock
30:26
Speaker 1: in the one and Wayne Williams would show up with
30:28
Speaker 1: a camera. How the hey did he know? Well, of
30:32
Speaker 1: course he was the perpetrator. Well, yeah, he's the perpetrator.
30:35
Speaker 1: And that's the fact that a lot of people are saying, oh, way,
30:37
Speaker 1: Williams didn't do it. He did it. Now, I don't
30:40
Speaker 1: know if you did all of it, because once he
30:42
Speaker 1: was convicted on some of them, a lot of other
30:44
Speaker 1: murders were chalked up to him with similar emmos. But
30:48
Speaker 1: my point here is that people often return to the
30:52
Speaker 1: scene and there he was showing up with all the
30:55
Speaker 1: cops with impunity because he had a handheld camera. And
30:59
Speaker 1: now this h has back up at the bowling alley
31:02
Speaker 1: and they're siding in plane fight. Nancy, Why did they
31:06
Speaker 1: come back to the safe? Remember how Scott Peterson. We'll
31:08
Speaker 1: go back to San Francisco Bay and look out on
31:10
Speaker 1: the water. I guess it was waiting to see him.
31:12
Speaker 1: Lacy was going to pop up. Well, it's pleasure that
31:15
Speaker 1: drives them back. They want to enjoy the results of
31:20
Speaker 1: their behavior. And more than that, we've learned from this.
31:24
Speaker 1: The Bureau has learned from this since the Wayne william case,
31:27
Speaker 1: in which I was directly involved. Get back in Atlanta,
31:31
Speaker 1: and I will simply tell you that we now film
31:34
Speaker 1: funerals and a number of other things looking for the
31:39
Speaker 1: subject of the purp to show up again. And it's
31:42
Speaker 1: interesting in connection with the America's Most Wanted. You wonder
31:46
Speaker 1: if they still have film and the cameras they kept
31:50
Speaker 1: to look back into the crowd to see if that
31:53
Speaker 1: individual is there. Because we understand, and the detective Sargeant
31:57
Speaker 1: Mela will tell you this, we understand that people get
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Speaker 1: pleasure out of this. They want to come and see
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Speaker 1: what's happening. So their pleasure is derived in part from
32:08
Speaker 1: actually witnessing the suffering of individuals whom they have injured. Oh,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold, he said it so perfectly. Can't you
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Speaker 1: just see this guy coming back and just luxuriating, like
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Speaker 1: bathing in the reenactments and enjoying seeing everyone there trying
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Speaker 1: to solve the crime. And in Psyche, he knows that
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Speaker 1: he took Tika, Yes, and he got away with it.
32:34
Speaker 1: And it sounds like this man got away with so
32:36
Speaker 1: many things. And as I said a few minutes ago,
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Speaker 1: living in plain sight of everyone, so many clues, so
32:43
Speaker 1: many clues. You know, Nancy, what I'm thinking about, and
32:47
Speaker 1: I know this is too little, too late. I think
32:50
Speaker 1: that some of these places should have things that identify
32:53
Speaker 1: people as they come in and you can't just come
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Speaker 1: and go willy nilly without people know when you're there.
33:00
Speaker 1: You know how they you know how. It's some places
33:02
Speaker 1: you have to have your arm mark so that you
33:03
Speaker 1: can't leave with someone else's child. Yes, I think some
33:07
Speaker 1: of these things need to be instituted. At places like
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Speaker 1: Bowling Alley. You know they have a land an go
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Speaker 1: in without a child, and you know at Chucky Cheese
33:17
Speaker 1: you have to get your arm mark here. Lord. Oh
33:21
Speaker 1: my husband, when I was doing Dancing with the Stars
33:23
Speaker 1: behind my bat would take the twist to Chuckie Cheese
33:26
Speaker 1: who lost John David every single time, like four times.
33:30
Speaker 1: And when I found out there was no more Chucky Cheese,
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Speaker 1: that was it. He could not see them in a crowd.
33:37
Speaker 1: No offense to David, he's a saint. But it wasn't
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Speaker 1: just that. Tyler. Let's play zero zero c our friends
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Speaker 1: at clim online. Tyler. A few years after Tika goes missing,
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Speaker 1: cold case detectives for view old police reports they'd focus
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Speaker 1: on those involving children who had been approached by a
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Speaker 1: stranger around the Bowling Alley. There had been several The
33:58
Speaker 1: year before Tika disappear, a man reported to security that
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Speaker 1: his four year old son had been assaulted in the
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Speaker 1: restroom by a white man with curly brown hair and
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Speaker 1: a beard. A few weeks before Tica disappeared, the mother
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Speaker 1: of a six year old boy stopped and attempted abduction
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Speaker 1: of her son. The suspect also described as a white
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Speaker 1: male with brown hair. And on the same day Tica
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Speaker 1: went missing, there was another incident. A man had taken
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Speaker 1: his two children to the park less than a mile
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Speaker 1: away from New Frontier Lanes. He saw a stranger near
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Speaker 1: the bathrooms who was motioning for the two children to
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Speaker 1: come to him. The father chased the man off. He
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Speaker 1: was a white male with brown hair wearing a baseball hat.
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Speaker 1: He's never been identified at this close proximity to the
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Speaker 1: bowling alley. That is no coincidence. I want you to
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Speaker 1: hear Tica's father talking about when Tica goes missing. This
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Speaker 1: is Shelby Miller ki r O seven. I've thought of
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Speaker 1: my daughter every single day. January twenty third, nineteen ninety
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Speaker 1: Robert Lewis's life changed forever. Police say someone abducted his innocent,
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Speaker 1: brown eyed baby girl from the New Frontier Bowling Alley
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Speaker 1: into coma more than two decades later, Robert hasn't given up. Hope.
35:13
Speaker 1: We sit there and rewatched Blues Clues and she have
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Speaker 1: her tweety bird snippers on, and that's what I remember,
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Speaker 1: just my little baby. Thursday to come on. Police release
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Speaker 1: new details about the investigation. Detectives are searching for information
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Speaker 1: about a white man who's thirty to forty years old,
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Speaker 1: has brown, curly hair, a mustache, and pock marks on
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Speaker 1: his face. They say he was seen at the Bowling
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Speaker 1: Alley the night the two year old was abducted. These
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Speaker 1: developments stopped Tika's father in his tracks. Put me right
35:44
Speaker 1: back to nineteen ninety nine. Got the phone call to
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Speaker 1: Olivia la Voice crime reporter with Cute thirteen Fox Again, Olivia,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. A lot of the
35:54
Speaker 1: reporting has been done by you, a lot of the
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Speaker 1: investigative work. Where does the case stand right now? Olivia?
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Speaker 1: You know, unfortunately there hasn't been much movement with the case,
36:05
Speaker 1: which is incredibly disappointing because when we released this new
36:10
Speaker 1: information over a year ago now about a year and
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Speaker 1: a half ago, we really thought this was going to
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Speaker 1: be it. This suspect description was surely going to get
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Speaker 1: investigators some very solid leads on who this suspect could be,
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Speaker 1: and that just hasn't happened. So I feel it's very
36:32
Speaker 1: important to keep that suspect description out there to remind
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Speaker 1: people this individual had a deeply pockmarked face. Surely someone
36:41
Speaker 1: out there has to know who we're describing. If you
36:44
Speaker 1: want to see a sketch of the suspect, please go
36:49
Speaker 1: to crime online dot com. Also you can see an
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Speaker 1: age progressed sketch or photo of Tika to Teresa English,
37:02
Speaker 1: Miss English, I know you have other children, but there's
37:08
Speaker 1: no way to feel the empty hole of Tica missing.
37:16
Speaker 1: Tell me how you get through each day. If it
37:19
Speaker 1: wasn't from my other kids, I probably wouldn't be here.
37:22
Speaker 1: You know, I have a missing piece in my heart.
37:25
Speaker 1: You know, my everything is gone, and the only thing
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Speaker 1: that's going to put my heart to hold is to
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Speaker 1: find out what happened to my daughter. You know, it's
37:36
Speaker 1: been twenty two years old, my daughter's about to turn
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Speaker 1: twenty five, and I've been living a nightmare because I
37:44
Speaker 1: don't know what happened to my daughter, you know, And
37:48
Speaker 1: is the police really working on my daughter's case? No,
37:51
Speaker 1: they're not, they're not. And all I've asked for twenty
37:54
Speaker 1: two years, is what happened to Tica? Who took my baby?
38:01
Speaker 1: Who took her? Now they know, they just need to
38:03
Speaker 1: find out who this man is. They could have found
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Speaker 1: her twenty two years ago. If they wouldn't listened to
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Speaker 1: this witness, they would have brought him back in. This
38:13
Speaker 1: is a credible witness. This man still remembers from day
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Speaker 1: one about what this man looks like. This man showed up.
38:23
Speaker 1: This should have been you know, he showed up twice
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Speaker 1: at the bowling Alley. They should have took that when
38:30
Speaker 1: people were coming forward saying, hey, this is the guy.
38:34
Speaker 1: We need to find out who this man is. Where
38:37
Speaker 1: is Pica? Where is she? If she's not out here
38:40
Speaker 1: no more? We just want to find out where she's at.
38:42
Speaker 1: What did you do with her? All we want is closure,
38:45
Speaker 1: and we've been asking that for twenty two years now.
38:48
Speaker 1: All we want is closure. If you know or even
38:52
Speaker 1: think you know anything regarding the white mail, Brian down hair,
39:01
Speaker 1: heavily pot marked face. If you think you know anything,
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Speaker 1: please dial two five three five nine one fifty nine
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Speaker 1: fifty nine. Repeat two five three five nine one fifty
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Speaker 1: nine fifty nine or crime Stoppers, which is eight hundred
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Speaker 1: two two two tips, eight hundred two two two eight
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Speaker 1: four seven seven. Our prayers, Fatika go on, but we
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Speaker 1: want justice. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend,