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Ep. 100: The Powerful Joe Rogan · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,
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  Speaker 1: bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening past, he
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  Speaker 1: can't predict anything, all right. First, first thing I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about has nothing to do with you, Joe Rogan,
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  Speaker 1: but you might appreciate it. No, it does have to
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  Speaker 1: do with you, and I'll get to that in a minute.
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  Speaker 1: A guy wrote in yesterday send us an email. Dude
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  Speaker 1: named Rusty down in Texas and he's he had was
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  Speaker 1: dicking around on our on our website and realized that
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  Speaker 1: there's a podcast. But he's in his tree stam bow
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  Speaker 1: Hunt and he said he's in a real shitty tree,
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  Speaker 1: like he calls it a tree of questionable integrity. So
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  Speaker 1: he's got earbuds in and turns the podcast on. In
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  Speaker 1: the intro, there's like the sun sound of Jamie knows
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  Speaker 1: it well, it was the sound of a tree falling,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, but he thinks the tree has fallen
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  Speaker 1: over the music, so he panics, realizes his tree is
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  Speaker 1: not falling, but then he's looking for the tree that
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  Speaker 1: is falling and is it going to fall on him
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  Speaker 1: before he realizes it's the podcast intros another there's two
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  Speaker 1: other things it had to me last night. I read that,
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  Speaker 1: and then uh, my brother calls me, and an old
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  Speaker 1: buddy of ours is at my brother's house. And this
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  Speaker 1: buddy of ours years ago, we were, you know, kind
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  Speaker 1: of based out of the same house doing some hunting.
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  Speaker 1: In one day, he leaves before it gets light out
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  Speaker 1: to go hunting, but then comes back and it's not
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  Speaker 1: even light out yet, but he's got a dead deer.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, oh, yeah, I was driving out and
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  Speaker 1: the guy in front of me hit a deer of
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  Speaker 1: this truck. So rather than going hunting, I just took
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  Speaker 1: that deer and tagged it and brought it home. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this guy this year is hunting and he's hunting in
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  Speaker 1: a field by a road and he's watching a buck,
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  Speaker 1: praying for the buck to come in bow range of them.
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  Speaker 1: At one point, the buck walks the other direction, steps
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  Speaker 1: out in the road and gets hit by a truck
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  Speaker 1: while he's watching it. So he ate that buck. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: watched it happen. I like that some state agencies allow
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  Speaker 1: you to do that, to tag a deer that got
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  Speaker 1: hit by a car because you talked about it in
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. To like the the odds of someone purposely
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  Speaker 1: driving around trying to hit deer, like the odds of
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  Speaker 1: success are so low it's almost a ridiculous thing to consider,
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  Speaker 1: and the wrists are high. And I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: go into too much detail. I don't want to go
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  Speaker 1: into too much detail because I'm not sure the total
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not legal method to take. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. That's why i'm That's why I'm not like
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  Speaker 1: talking in too great a detail about where it has
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  Speaker 1: happened and everything. So I'm not sure. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: he's got the moral right moral he's right when we
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  Speaker 1: used to we used to salvage road kill in Montana
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  Speaker 1: when it was illegal to salvage road kill because I
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  Speaker 1: was it was kind of like a civil disobedience. I
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  Speaker 1: always wanted to go to court and say, yes, your honor,
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  Speaker 1: I ate a dead deer I found on the side
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  Speaker 1: of the road. Um, guilty as charged, just you know,
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  Speaker 1: just to kind of make the point. But then in
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  Speaker 1: then they corrected it. In Michigan, you just called the cops.
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  Speaker 1: If you wanted a deer it was hit on the
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  Speaker 1: side of the road, you call the cops. They just
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  Speaker 1: come out and give you a permit for it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you were talking about this earlier. But isn't it interesting
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  Speaker 1: that you see different states with like educated and understanding
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  Speaker 1: hunters that are a part of the community, versus like, say,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on in New Jersey with the bear hunt
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  Speaker 1: thing with the governor comes along and says, we're gonna start.
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey is the highest population of black bears per
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  Speaker 1: capita or per per acre in the state. Apparently it's
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  Speaker 1: overrun with black bears. I have friends who lived there,
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  Speaker 1: and they go, it's crazy, Like you'll see. You've seen
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  Speaker 1: the videos of them fight in neighborhoods, big four pound
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  Speaker 1: bears duking it out in the middle of the street
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  Speaker 1: and cars stopping and then knocking over trash cans, and
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  Speaker 1: they're everywhere. But this governor has just decided he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: go full Greeny and stop the bear hunt. We need
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  Speaker 1: to stop, like it actually ran on it. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: kills me. How are you gonna control the population? Chris
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  Speaker 1: Christie's popularity level had gotten real bad towards the end.
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  Speaker 1: They're just looking at polling data from New Jersey. But
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  Speaker 1: like he had always stuck up for the you know,
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  Speaker 1: he'd always stuck up for the bear hunt. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like I feel bad for real bad for the
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  Speaker 1: guys in New Jersey and and uh, I would do
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  Speaker 1: anything to make that governor have uh, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: suffer politically. But the way that people going steak out
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  Speaker 1: the you know, you gotta like take your bear to
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  Speaker 1: a check station and people going like protest the check
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  Speaker 1: stations to take all take a lot of the fun
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  Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, it's no fun. Yeah, there's something
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  Speaker 1: about bears. I mean, you you said it best charismatic megafauna.
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  Speaker 1: But what you had in New Jersey too, is you
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  Speaker 1: had it that the season went away because you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're bears have been just in terrible shape, and so
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  Speaker 1: they couldn't I mean, like like many many places for
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  Speaker 1: a long time couldn't, couldn't support certain hunting seasons, and
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  Speaker 1: then they eventually recovered bears to the point where they're
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  Speaker 1: like we used to have a problem not having enough bears.
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  Speaker 1: Now we've got a problem of having, by many estimations,
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  Speaker 1: too many bears. But the minute you the minute you lose,
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  Speaker 1: if you lose the season, it's hard to to to
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  Speaker 1: have it come back for for something like that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and like even places are doing like elk recovery. There
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  Speaker 1: are some states who want to recover their elkert and
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  Speaker 1: bring new elkin, but they don't want to do it
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  Speaker 1: until they can put in place absolute language around how
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  Speaker 1: the fact that this is gonna be a hunted population,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, there's been cases where you've re established
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  Speaker 1: a herd of elk and then get to the thing like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: now we're gonna open a hunting season and people flip
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  Speaker 1: because it wasn't that way before. So now they want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure, like and I hope just so everybody understands,
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  Speaker 1: when this recovery happens and we reach recovery recovery objectives,
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  Speaker 1: there will be a hunting season because it's difficult. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it's difficult for people to get used to the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you're gonna be hunting something that you didn't hunt
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  Speaker 1: before because they can't picture it being sustainable. If it
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  Speaker 1: used to be that there weren't enough of them. Wasn't
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  Speaker 1: that this thing with wolves, Like when they reintroduced wolves
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  Speaker 1: to Yellowstone, they had a number that they had set
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  Speaker 1: where it was a viable population, right and anything about
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  Speaker 1: that they would open up a season, and then they
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  Speaker 1: just kept moving the goal posts, and well they knew
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  Speaker 1: that anything. There was never I don't know if there
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  Speaker 1: was never, I don't think it was. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it was explicitly in the recovery plan that hunting would open.
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  Speaker 1: But it was in the recovery plan that they reached
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  Speaker 1: the recovery objective. It would go to state management. Now
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  Speaker 1: many people know what that is gonna mean. But it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like and then we'll start hunting them. It was
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  Speaker 1: just like state management. But people generally know the same.
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  Speaker 1: With the recent really delisting in the Greater Yellstone ecosystem,
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  Speaker 1: it's like when they're not, when they're no longer eligible
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  Speaker 1: for federal protection, which that population that bears is not
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  Speaker 1: because it's you know, gone far and above recovery objectives,
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  Speaker 1: it will go to state management. People know what that's
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  Speaker 1: gonna mean. So that's what gets you set and in
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  Speaker 1: that case they're correct those populations, but most people don't
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  Speaker 1: actually know that. You're assuming that. Well, here's the thing
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  Speaker 1: when they go When we went to delist the eagle,
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  Speaker 1: the bald eagle, everyone was real happy. No one was
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  Speaker 1: suing to keep the bald eagle on the endangered because
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  Speaker 1: because there's no risk of human exploitation because historically and culturally,
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  Speaker 1: there's just like people don't hunt eagles. The reason people
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  Speaker 1: that are fighting the de listing decision on wolves or grizzlies,
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  Speaker 1: they're not arguing recovery. Well, I mean some are, but
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  Speaker 1: mostly they're trying to use that argument as a way
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  Speaker 1: to prevent the possible ability of human exploitation of the resource.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan, why do you why?
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  Speaker 1: And I know the answer I want to hear from you. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: tell me your thoughts about bow hunt. You just love it,
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  Speaker 1: love it? Yeah, I love it. Yeah, And guns is
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  Speaker 1: like not, I'll still do it. What is the no? Yeah? No, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you're like you're not like an anti
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  Speaker 1: gun hunter. But then talk to me, like when you
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  Speaker 1: dipped into this, when you dipped into hunting um and
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  Speaker 1: started to getting exposed to it, Like walk me through
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  Speaker 1: kind of your discovery of archery, Like what you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like what grabbed you? Well? I started
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  Speaker 1: I started doing archery long before I ever started bow hunting.
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  Speaker 1: I bought a bow just on a whim Me and
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  Speaker 1: my wife and my daughter went to archery shop just
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  Speaker 1: for a goof because you're fired up about that movie
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  Speaker 1: where they all got before that games. Now it was
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  Speaker 1: before that. I bought a bow and I bought a
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  Speaker 1: target and I had in the backyard and uh, I
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  Speaker 1: shot at a couple of times. Didn't know what I
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  Speaker 1: was doing, poor technique, you know, the whole deal. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but but indulge me. What was it about? Both just
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  Speaker 1: looked like something to do. So is it like because
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  Speaker 1: you like shooting pool, Yeah, maybe there's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of that. Just archery just seems like something fun, Like
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  Speaker 1: it's fun to hit a target, It's fun to go
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  Speaker 1: to the rifle range and shoot just shoot paper. It's fun, right,
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  Speaker 1: And so then so there was no thought of it
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  Speaker 1: as a weapon. No, not really, no, No, it was
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  Speaker 1: more like for fun target. And then I met Cam
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  Speaker 1: Haynes and I had him on my podcast and he
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  Speaker 1: brought me a white and he came up in my
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  Speaker 1: backyard and showing me how to do it. And then
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  Speaker 1: I kind of got into it. And then I really
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  Speaker 1: got into it. And then I met John Dudley, and
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  Speaker 1: John Dudley started giving me like real serious like archery
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  Speaker 1: advice and explaining the importance of structure and stance and technique,
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  Speaker 1: and then I got obsessed. By that point you were hunting. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it became like martial arts, that's what it is. It
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  Speaker 1: became like a thing where you realize like, oh, there's
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  Speaker 1: like some serious levels to your ability and it's all
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  Speaker 1: about how much time you put in. And you could
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  Speaker 1: see the improvement with every with this when this is
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  Speaker 1: a direct link between the amount of focus, the amount
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  Speaker 1: of energy that you put into it versus the amount
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  Speaker 1: of proficiency that you observe, and you just keep getting
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  Speaker 1: better and better at it. And there's a long, long,
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  Speaker 1: long road, Like it's not it's not an easy thing.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like it should be, but just the the
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  Speaker 1: act of releasing an arrow with a you know, a
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  Speaker 1: surprise release, it's a very difficult thing to do. And
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  Speaker 1: so all this became like a sort of a mental
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  Speaker 1: almost like a meditation thing, mental exercise. And then when
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  Speaker 1: you add to the fact that you can kill something
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  Speaker 1: and eat it with that, then it became very exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Have you have you in your life have you moved
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  Speaker 1: into and out of passions? Obsessions? Yeah? Obsessions? Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but when you like, because you used to love the
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  Speaker 1: shoot pool, yeah, I still do well, I just don't
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  Speaker 1: do it very much. Okay, Well, like, do you imagine
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  Speaker 1: is archery different or do you think that is it
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  Speaker 1: plausible that in five years you'd be like, man, was
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  Speaker 1: I into bow hunting? No? Now I'm really into no
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  Speaker 1: throwing darts, No, no, no, no, the archeries. The bow
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  Speaker 1: hunting thing is for life. Yeah, that one's deep. That's
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  Speaker 1: that one's deep in the d n A because you're
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  Speaker 1: getting food from it. It's like way more intense. Like
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  Speaker 1: a ball going in a hole doesn't mean ship unless
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  Speaker 1: you decide it, does, you know, if you're shooting pool
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  Speaker 1: and like all the money is on the nine, like
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  Speaker 1: you made a decision that it's all the money's on
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  Speaker 1: the nine if you are staying there and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: mule deer comes out of the trees and it's thirty
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  Speaker 1: yards away and you're centering your pin out its vitals.
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  Speaker 1: You're like holy ship and you got to try to
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  Speaker 1: keep it together and release that arrow. That's real and
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  Speaker 1: that's intense. There's no there's no added value to this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because you've decided that you're playing in a
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  Speaker 1: tournament or that you know, like this is a big game.
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  Speaker 1: This is bragging rights. No, this is this is a
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  Speaker 1: life or death situation with this wild majestic animal, and
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  Speaker 1: you owe it to the animal to have a certain
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  Speaker 1: amount of proficiency. And also you you just you want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that you pull it off. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you could hit that target if it was just a target.
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  Speaker 1: Can you hit that target if it's the deer of
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  Speaker 1: a lifetime just standing right there? Can you do it?
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  Speaker 1: And there's when you do do it? And then you
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  Speaker 1: wind up eating that thing. Like that's what I said
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  Speaker 1: to you when you first took us in Montana and
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  Speaker 1: we were eating that deer over the fire and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you were like, do you think you're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: hunging about I'm like, as soon as that deer hit
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  Speaker 1: the ground, and I was like, oh, I'm doing this forever.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I want to get back to the the
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  Speaker 1: the you of why can you hit the target but
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  Speaker 1: you can't hit the animal. I want to top of
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  Speaker 1: that stal like you have, like you'll probably have helpful
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  Speaker 1: opinions about it, um And I somehow think there's a
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  Speaker 1: link there between how many times you've been hit in
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  Speaker 1: the face by people. But I often have this fantasy
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  Speaker 1: of that if you could rewind human history and just
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  Speaker 1: take it back to some point and like let it
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  Speaker 1: run through again, just to see what things happened, like
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  Speaker 1: what things were inevitable and what things were like a freak. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so if you backed it all up to I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: ten thousand and seventy thousand whatever and just like let
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  Speaker 1: it go and be like, oh wow, I can't really,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe, like what a flute World War two was.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't even come close to that on the second
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  Speaker 1: time through. Yeah. Yeah, fidget spinners, certain fashion things. Actually
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  Speaker 1: you just like there's no way in the world it
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  Speaker 1: would hit again, right, It's really because you got young kids,
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  Speaker 1: you know about fidget spinning. Sure, I know though in
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  Speaker 1: my experiment, the people were going to see big animals
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  Speaker 1: walk by and want to put a projectile behind their
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  Speaker 1: shoulder blade. Yes, that's why. That's what it feels to me,
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  Speaker 1: Like so kind of I want to say nice about inevitable.
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  Speaker 1: There's inevitable. There's an inevitability about hunting. They don't know
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  Speaker 1: how many times you rewind it. It would we would
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  Speaker 1: be finding ways to do it because it would look
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  Speaker 1: a little different, but the basic groundwork would remain intact. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's almost unfair to use hunting in that sort of
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  Speaker 1: model of like redoing the world all over again, because
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  Speaker 1: human beings. There's a lot of speculation the reason why
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  Speaker 1: our brains doubled over a period of two million years
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  Speaker 1: just because we started eating meat, Because we started hunting
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  Speaker 1: and we started figuring out ways to kill animals, We
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  Speaker 1: started cooking these animals, we had more access to vitamins.
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  Speaker 1: Our brains grew larger for a variety of different reasons,
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  Speaker 1: but most of it is connected to the idea of
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  Speaker 1: us being hunters. Yeah, it's impossible to it's impos able
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  Speaker 1: to sort of to know the absolute answer, but I've
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  Speaker 1: even seen it. I wrote about this in one of
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  Speaker 1: my books, I Think We're Uh Anthropology. There was some
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  Speaker 1: anthropologists who speculated that even the idea of language, it
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  Speaker 1: was probably I mean, they're they're hypothesis was that language
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  Speaker 1: was an offshoot of coordinating hunting activities. That it would
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  Speaker 1: have been like, here's this instrumental thing you need to
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  Speaker 1: figure out how to do. It's very difficult. And we
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  Speaker 1: start to see the human history start to see these
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  Speaker 1: ideas of plans of people coming together to do like
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  Speaker 1: collective work, you know, something like wolves or group hunt.
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  Speaker 1: But this idea that that was sort of a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: There's been an early impetus to be able to discuss
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  Speaker 1: abstract notions. You go there, I'll go here, and then
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  Speaker 1: it you know, it really forced humans to start to
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  Speaker 1: interact and make long term plans. I was talking about
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  Speaker 1: this with my with Chris Tapleton yesterday. We're talking about
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  Speaker 1: fishing and that there's a thing that happens when you
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  Speaker 1: catch a fish or it triggers these ancient reward systems
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  Speaker 1: in your body, Like I see it in my kids
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  Speaker 1: the first time they catch a fish, like like you
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  Speaker 1: got you got we gotta got it. It's like there's
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  Speaker 1: a like a reward system because if you could catch
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  Speaker 1: a fish, that means you're gonna eat like you've got one,
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  Speaker 1: We've got food. It's time to celebrate. Whoa, we did it,
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  Speaker 1: And there's this huge rush of euphoria and happiness that
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  Speaker 1: happens even like five year old kids. I remember my
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  Speaker 1: daughter was like four when she caught her first fish,
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  Speaker 1: and she couldn't believe it, and I'm helping her hold
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  Speaker 1: onto the rod. She's got this fish, and her eyes
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  Speaker 1: are white like like saucers just so happy. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, this, okay, this is like in your system. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when I see a cuter doesn't get excited about catching fish,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to like say to the parents that
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  Speaker 1: you might want to get that kid checked out. I'm
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  Speaker 1: ana maz to how without any provoking they immediately are like,
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  Speaker 1: how we're gonna cook it? When are we gonna cook it?
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  Speaker 1: When are we gonna eat it? Like you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to start asking questions about that and provoking it. That's
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  Speaker 1: like the next thing out of their mouth. It's like, holy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, trying to talk my kid in letting something go.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm talking about any man, Like you know, he
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: guys just a cricket and that the cricket goes into
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: a bucket. I'm like, hey, let's let the cricket go.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Cricket lives in that bucket. Now do you think that
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: your kids have your This is a this is like
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: a serious idea. I don't understand entirely where personalities come from,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and I don't understand like how much genetics get transferred
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: from the parent to the child. But there's certain traits
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: that my middle daughter, my nine year old has that
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: are undeniably me, and like she's obsessed with things like
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: she'll do she we we were coming home from this
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: so we're staying at this was a resort, and we
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: had to walk, you know, like maybe half a mile
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: to the place where we're staying. She did cart wheels
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the entire way because she's obsessed with cart wheels. Like
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: she'll do backhand springs in the middle of the house
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: and you gotta tell like, you gotta stop doing that,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: like stop. She's like, okay, okay, one more, and she's
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: she's she's fucking nuts, And I'm like, oh, that's me.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: That's me if I was a nine year old girl,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Like this isnt it's weird, arrow, but it's not me,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Like I told her to be like this, like I've
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I've let her just be whoever she is. And my
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: youngest daughter has none of that. She's not like that
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: at all. But when your son is around you and
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: you know, and obviously your brain is and your DNA
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: is filled with hunting, like your knowledge, your experiences, how
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: much you speak, how much of like what gets transferred
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: from your DNA to your children is your experiences in
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: your knowledge and what you've accumulated all all the things
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that you've encountered in your life. I mean, how much
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: does that transfer? It has to be some they don't
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: really know. Yeah, I wonder about all the time, and
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like I mayde even mentioned this to you before.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Is a lot of friends would say to me, like,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do if your kid doesn't like
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: to you know as much as you do, and of
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: from point out like, well, not many people do. Yeah,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: so the ones that you I know them all, you know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: and uh so, yeah, I'm open to the idea that
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: that's true, that that would happen. It won't be upsetting
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to me. But in the case of my older one,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: he is just fascinated by it, loves it. Okay, that's
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: what he wants to do. Um. I don't know that.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe I subconsciously have treated my daughter differently. And when
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: we found out we're having a daughter, my wife made
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: it very clear She's like, this is not gonna be
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: like a boy's club. The hunting, fishing stuff is not
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: a boys club. Our daughter is in Equally, there was
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: not I'm on the lookout for you to like favor
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: our son in this world, and it's not gonna fly.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So I have tried very hard not to you. But
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: but she's not as fired up as he is, and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I don't my subconscious he's sending a message. I don't know.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: She's just not as fired up. So yeah, that is different.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: One thing me and my wife have done really well,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: it's just let our kids do whatever they want to do,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: like what do you like? And just pursue that, not
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: try to push them into something that they like. Just
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: try to figure out what you like, and I get
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I try to explain to them what I do for
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: a living that I'm very fortunate that I just do
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: what I like. And you can do that, but you
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: have to pursue that, like really early on, and it
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: has to be a part of your brain, like your
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: your your mindset has to be like what do I
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: like to do. I'm gonna go do that, not I'm
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: gonna do this safe thing that I don't really want
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: to do because I know that maybe that'll pan out better.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: But no, just go figure out what it is you
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: like to do and then pursue that and you'll be happier.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: You're honestly dare knight you We're gonna go squidd and
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: my daughter bombed out. Were you there and it made
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: you like you started having feelings about my daughters? Yeah,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: you're like, man, I'm real nervous about when that happens
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to me or something like that. Yeah, yeah they do.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah they're already doing it. But I don't know how
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: we got to talk. Yeah, she did bail out, and
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: for no reason, she bailed out on the trip. I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: just didn't want to do anymore. Just at the last minute,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go. I'm like, God, I'm like,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: that's okay, sweetheart, income next time, welcome any time, you know.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And the the idea that my boy would like bail
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: no way, I was like, I talk. Yeah, this something
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that I thought about many times. I would get a
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: guilty conscience and not go when I was a kid.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, I felt bad. I felt like I would
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: feel the sense of shame if everyone was going hunting
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: or fishing and I didn't go with guilty even to
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the point where we would wake up very early to
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: go out and sitting tree stands for deer, and my
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: my bedroom was on the second floor and I'd be
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: looking out on these these old trees are just like
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: so close to the window. They're almost like scrape the house.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: And I remember when your alarm would go off, I
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: would look out kind of hoping to see that the
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: trees were just whipping in the wind, because I knew
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the old man would call it. You're like, I'm not
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: gonna go. It's just you know, way too win d
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And I remember I would wake up and look and
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: be like, gosh, it's not windy days. We gotta go.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: And it feels so bad for having that feeling. It
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: was like a guilt thing. But that was put into
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: me because if if you got caught, like if you
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: didn't be your ass, you got caught watching TV, like
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the old man like, caught you watching TV, you're absolutely
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: gonna be put on a chore list to where he
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: takes like a legal pad and and name chores until
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: he hit the bottom of the legal pad. Yeah, there's
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of chores. You couldn't watch TV if you
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: got well, if you got caught watching TV, he's gonna
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: hit you with the chore list. If you were if
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you were out hunting, fishing, he was. That was the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: number one that like, that's good. Every other thing I
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: will make you go do chores. So I think that
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: instilled that I haven't tried to help my kids because
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: it just seems a little bit like prone to backfire.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: But he raised people to like the yeah work for him. UM,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: get to get to Uh, why is it hard to hit?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Because I'm asking you this because I feel like you're
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: sort of a student of the mind, right, Why is
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: it different to hit something living than is the hit
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: a target with people? Consequence? You understand the question. It's pressure.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing as fighting. There's a lot of
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: people that can fight UM in the gym. Like, you
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: get them in the gym and they're they're there with
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: people that they know, and they spa and they look
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: like a world beater. But then you put them in
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: at a world beater. I mean, they could beat everybody
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: in the world, world champ. It's a fight expression, um,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: but you get them in an actual competition with some
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: stranger and you know, the pressure of it is just
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: too much. The pressure they can't manage their mind. A
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: lot of it is managing stress, consequences, possibilities, probabilities, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: then managing the idea that there's going to be uh,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the consequences of a failure and that what what could
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: go wrong. You could get knocked, you could get beat,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: you could get humiliated, and all those things are just overwhelming.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: They dwell on the negative so much they can't handle it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: It's just a matter of being able to maintain a
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: mindset under pressure. And I think that all those things
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: whatever you do, whether it's live performance or you do
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: a stand up comedy show or you know, archery or fighting,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: it's like the thing that they have in common is
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: that there's expectations, there's uh, there's there's there's high levels
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: of stress and adrenaline and nerves, and you have to
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: be able to manage a mindset in the middle of those.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: And that's a big thing when an animal comes out
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: because one of the things, like there's a parallel between
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: playing pool. When you play pool, you should never think,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I hope I don't miss this shot, because if you do,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you're gonna fucking miss. You just are going to miss.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: You can't think that. You can literally cannot think that.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, let's see if I make it, I
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: can't do it. You mean, you might make it one
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: out of a hundred, but I really believe that the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: vast major any times if you go into a shot
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: with that mindset, you will miss. And this is like
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: taught this way and billiard academies. There's a mindset that's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: taught like it's just very similar to archery and that
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: you have of fundamentals, you have technique in position. But
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: then when you imagine and visualize that shot, you must
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: visualize that shot going in the perfect hit, follow through,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and just go through with it. But there's all like, oh,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: don't sunk this up. Oh it's guys, grow it up.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: There's all these nerves that come in and you have
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to learn how to manage that mindset. It's the same
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: thing with bow hunting. With bow hunting, I remember the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: first time I shot an animal with a bow. It's
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: like the consequences are so grave. You know, you've got
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: this razor sharp broadhead, you're pulling the bow back, you're
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: centering the pin. You're looking at your like, what am
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I gonna do this? I'm I gonna do this now?
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Like what if I miss? What if I suck this up?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Like what? There's all these things you have to go No, no, no,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: just go through your checklist, center your peep, make sure
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you have your anchor points in place, make sure your
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: hands not grip it in a death grip. You gotta
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: go through this whole line of thing. There's a great
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: website called Iron Mind Hunting with this guy Joel Turner.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: He's a snipering sniper instructor. You know what my body,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Matt Elliott, it was just tell me about this and
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: trying and talking to me and Yanni about going to
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: meeting with this guy. Are going to do some of
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: this guy say it's gonna be the same guy. He's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: gotta be the same guy. You should do a podcast
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: with him. He's great. He does a lot of podcasts,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: but he's got a whole website that will take you
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: through like because you know, he trains people that are
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you know, fucking clear and buildings and ship he trains
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: people that are first responders. He trains a lot of
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: police force people. And it's about being able to stay
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: calm under pressure in the difference between closed loop systems
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and open loop systems in the mind, meaning that you
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: know you you could. You gotta be able to stop
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: it at any time. You can't like like a bat,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Like you start swinging a bat the balls coming, You're
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: not going to stop that in the middle, right, But
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: when you draw Cabo. It has to be conscious. You
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: have to be able to go, you have to be
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: able to let down. You have to be able to know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: like when the shot is bad, when it's not breaking,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and you've got to be able to execute to the
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: point where you're really legitimately getting this closed. I don't understand.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I forget which one it is. I totally get what
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: you're saying, but I don't know. I think it's open.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's open to uh, it's open to to
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to being changed or interrupting. I think it's open loop.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I think that. I hope I don't sunk this up.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: See Jamie Semi looked that up there as you open
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: loop and closed loop systems. So the first time it
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: happened to you, were you able to maintain luckily? But yeah,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: but I recognized, like, oh boy, okay, there's a lot
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a lot to think about here. Old You're forty five,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I was old enough so that I was like,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I'd gone through a lot of other ship before that
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: was difficult. But then I recognized, like, oh great, welcome
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: to my next obsession, because now I'm fucking balls deep
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: in this, Like I just got so obsessed with it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I remember getting like getting it nariled down to sorry,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I feel like it's a little
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: bit of like a luxury to do it at it
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: when you're older, because you have more control over your mind.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: When I shot my first deer, this was a shotgun,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: not a bow. Actually, I think a couple of days beforehand,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I had missed a dough with my bowl and it
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: was I mean, the era had fallen off my rest.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I was shaking so bad, like literally had hit the ground,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you know, the leaves, and I put it back in
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: there and shot and I don't remember anything about that moment.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: It was just like no, it was like went over back.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, but the same thing two days later with
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: with the shotgun. It was sort of just like, oh
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: my god, there's a deer bang bang, bang, and wow,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: it's it's on the ground dead, like as a kid.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I was probably closer
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to twenty, you know, five years later until I was
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: finally like, oh, starting to think like you are, you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: when you're like, oh, here's the moment when ship starts
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: to get crazy and I need to pull back in
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and started to think through the process my early rig
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that I started, and I missed my first year with
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: a bow when I was I remember I missed it
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: one year before you were allowed to hunt. I missed
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: my first year of the bow when I was eleven,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and the bow I was using was it was a compound,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: but it just had a stick on remember flipper rests. Yeah,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: it's like a little wire on a adhesive pad that
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: you would stick to the rise of the bow and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: now as your rest. We shot with finger tabs, no pins,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: So just like shooting instinctive with fingers, but basically shooting
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: like a recurp. But it has to be a compound.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Some guys still do that. Oh yeah, it's it'd be
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: like it's a great compromise, you know. Yeah, I heard
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: a good argument for it. The guy was saying, like,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: think about how much more flat a compound bow shoots
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: than a recurve. Like if you just have the same
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: weight arrow all the time and just get used to it,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: like you're you're gonna have a pretty good sense of
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: where that thing's gonna go based on just you know,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: like the same way you have a feeling if you
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: throw a ball where that ball is gonna go. Yeah,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: so practice. Like now, it's like people either they go
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: to the extremes, you know, you see, like people like, Okay,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I'm done with all this tech. I'm done the technology.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just going stick bow. Yeah you can all, yeah,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the stripped down compound. But I got to be where,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you know, when I would shoot at a deer with
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: my bow. After all, I got to be where I
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: kind of knew what was gonna happen. But you're talking
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: about you're on a platform in a tree in your
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: shots twenty yard gulestue from the base of tree. But
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I got to be where it wasn't well, I wasn't
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: hail marrying. But then when I started encountering elk with
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: a bow, everything came undone even even not even even
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: but even cow really just because they're so big, just big,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and you're on the ground. I think being on the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: ground with them and they're so big that makes so
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: much noise coming through the woods, and noise they may, however,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: be with a I remember being with a girlfriend of
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: mine and we were had some elk feeding up hill
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and then I had already tagged out, but she was
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: hunting these elk coming up and this bowl eventually comes up,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: easy shot, He's got an direction. He's screaming. She never
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: even pulled her bow back, and I stood there, stood
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: there and walked off, and she just looks at me,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: look in her face like holy sh it, and never
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: even like thought to draw the boat. But I had
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: a similar thing, and I remember I couldn't get I'd
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: get the shot opportunities and blow him the first handful
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: of him, I'd blow him. And when I was reviewing
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: my mind, like I cannot remember shooting, and I eventually
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: forced myself like o oh man. He used to put
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: these stickers on the limb on the rise of our
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: bolt and said, stay calm, pick a spot. Not that
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: you're gonna remember to look at the sticker, but you
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: just like helped, like getting that in your head. I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: remember getting to be with if I can remember one
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: thing when I pulled back, if I can get myself
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: to think of one thing, And I got in my
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: head like lift your elbow, lift your elbow, because I
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: knew that if I thought to lift my elbow, all
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the other stuff with ball in place and the first
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: bowl I killed. I going down the hill and I
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: could see a cow bedded down in front of me,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, ship, now I'm sticking. I knew
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the bull is down lower, but I couldn't move, and
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: eventually that bull came up to her pulled back. I
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: remember it was the first time I ever had him
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: having like lift your elbow, just lift your elbow and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: through the heart, took two steps and fell over. I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: thought it was loosening. I was like, something must be
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: wrong with me, because I swear I just hit that
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: bullet that fell over dead, like you better like check
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: my vitals. It just took one conscious act and not
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: just just stop. Because this is a normal thing for you, right,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: this hunting experienced a normal thing for you. Imagine the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: average person who works in a cubicle, who drives in traffic,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: who deals with nonsense, corporate office bullshit, and human resources.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Imagine that experience. How alien that is, the intense pressure
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: of the moment, all the stuff running through your head,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: trying to manage the adrenaline executing the shot. The average
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: person has no connection to that experience. But I wonder, like,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: if having no connection to it, where could it be
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: that if you don't care, it's not scary. Yes, well
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: it won't be as nerve racking. If you don't care,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: for sure, if you don't want it, that's what my brother,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: you're gonna care. My older brother what he dislikes about
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: when you messes something up and he's like, I hate that.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I'm so susceptible to lust, Like I lost I want
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: that bowl so yeah, yeah, so bad that something like
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: some weird like snaps a system balls apart and I
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: can't get it. It's like, I just need to control
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the lust. If he could want it a little less,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: you would do better. That's the same thing with fighting, though.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: You have to be able to you have to be
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: able to be zen in the moment and manage all
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the pressure. That's what it is. It's the pressure, like
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you want it so bad that you're you're out of composure,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: you're not you're not post, you're not together in that situation.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: So it is do you feel like getting um Do
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: you feel like your experience fighting change how you're to
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: look at it that you've been just hitting the face
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: a bunch and had like just dealt with sort of
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: fear and and performance. I think it helps, for sure.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I'm used to being nervous, like I've been nervous at everything,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: So like, I know how to handle this, I know
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: what nerves are. You still get nervous walking out to
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: do in front of a a big audience. Yeah, yeah, I
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: still get a little nervous. But could you this is
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: another question I like when I think about this, when
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you're talking about the consequences thing, can you stay in
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: front of a mirror and do your act? No? I
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: don't do that because there's no consequence. Yeah, well it's
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: just not not beneficial. There's nothing good. So it's not
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: that it's it's not that it feels awkward. It's just
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: gross staring at yourself talking and just be too weird.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: It'd be too like I'd be too too aware of
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: how goofy it is. Just stand in front of a
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: mirror and practice, you get the comedy is a weird
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: thing that you kind of have to practice it in
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: front of an audience. It's really the only way it goes.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I write solitary. I write solo and then but basically
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the writing is almost like just a framework, scaffolding, and
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: then I just go on stage with those ideas and
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I have to flesh them out in front of a
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: live crowd. When you when you write comedy. Do you
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: are you writing? How when I imagine someone who deals
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: in the written word rights, Are you sitting there writing
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: or is it just that you're always writing because it's
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: in your head? And sit down and write. I sit
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: down on the laptop. I have a program called You
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Write Dialogue. Yeah. Yeah, Well most of the time I
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: write out like essay form, and then I extract bits
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: from it. Have you ever heard of right Room? Do
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you know the right Room? It's pretty cool. It's it's
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: software that blacks out everything, doesn't give you access to
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: your you don't have, so it's black and then the
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: is green like the terminator, like the matrix type ship.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: And um, I like that because he gives me this
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: complete side. There's a version of it for Windows, to
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: which I occasionally use. Occasionally use Windows. But um, what
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I do is I write everything as like an essay,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: and then once I'm done writing it as an essay,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: then I go over it and I try to figure out, Okay,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: where are the Yum, we open up a recentone here,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: where are the where the bits in? Here? Well, you're
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: writing it to yourself. I'm just writing you know this. This
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: This is what it looks like. Yeah, and what's the
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: program called. It's called right room. M hm. How long
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: how much time goes by between when you first have
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: like you're driving around or whatever and you go like, oh,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: it's funny the thing that has passed through my mind.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: How much time does it take from that for that
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to become a joke, for that to become a thing
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: to deliriately delivered to an audience. Sometimes it's an instant.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll have an idea and that it's almost like
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: a done bit, Like I'll go on stage with it
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and it requires very little tweaking, so like it's there.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I just know I have the idea. I had this
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: whole you've seen that bit, that bit that I hope
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: just to do about vegans. This like a whole long
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: bit about vegans. About vegans always like to say humans
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: are the only animal to drink the milk of another animal.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you know what else? Only people do
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: fly planes, make movies, call each other on the phone
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and tell each other how awesome milk is? Like kind
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: of stupid fucking point is that? And that bit all
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: this was a long chunk and it all came out
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: of like one conversation that I had with this one
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: prostlytizing Vegan. I was like, this is such an annoying conversation,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Like you haven't done both sides of this conversation. You
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: haven't done the response, Like how would other people look
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: at this? Like You've just got this idea in your
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: head that everybody thinks like you, and you're gonna push
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: this thought through. And that bit came out like literally,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I wrote it on a plane and it literally it
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: went from the laptop to being on Comedy Central, all
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: in the same form. But does I always have to
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: pass through the laptop? The laptop is not required. Sometimes
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I'll have an idea that never hits the laptop, and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: then I just bring it up on stage and like,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I'll bring it up on stage and I'll start working
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: with it, and then I'll tweak it on stage and
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: then but I always have to write it out on
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: top of it too. Over the last three years, I've
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: modern I've modified my technique, and one of things that
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I've realized is that the best way two to really
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: refine the bits is to do them. And then once
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I'm doing them, even if they work on stage, then
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I take them and I sit alone with them with
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the laptop, and I rewrite them, and I'll rewrite them
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: from like two different angles. I'll say, Okay, well, I
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: know we're gonna come at it from this way. Let's
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: come out of from another way. Let's go your you
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: got this bit, we got this. The premise is already
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: locked down in this form it or it's already functional.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: But let's let's see it happens if we come at
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: it from this way. Let's see what happens if we
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: come out it from that way. And then um, sometimes
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I'll take a little piece of that and I'll take
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a piece away from the other one, and all this
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: piece fits better there. And it's a constant, bloody struggle
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of like editing and observing and just trying to be
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: objective and going back and trying it again and trying
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: it soft, trying it hard, trying to slow, trying to fast.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: You gotta figure out where where it works. There's a
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: thing you do. You gotta be aware of it where
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: you bait your audience into. Like let's just say, let's
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: say you decide for a minute, hack on. You're gonna
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: hack on like Republicans and not not that you you
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: know you don't do like a Republican bit. But let's
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: just say you're gonna hack out Republicans for a minute,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: and you get like a certain segment of your crowd
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: kind of like they're loving it, they love hearing this ship.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: But then you're gonna turn around and like very quickly
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: flip something and attack the exact opposite. And I feel like,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: and I've seen you a couple of times where I
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: feel like you almost throw out like a false bait
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: um when you used to have used to have a
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: you throw on a false bait, and it gets like
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: some guys in the crowd ready to go, like they're like,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for coming next. He's gonna attack the
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: thing that's most annoying to me in life. But then
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: you just like pounce and go the other direction and
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: just annihilate the idea that you're hoping that they're hoping
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you're gonna, yeah, pursue. Do you keep in mind the balance?
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you have to, Like I have a dog
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: on guys, the dog on ladies. But you gotta go
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: first of all, because I'm a guy, and because of
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the type of guy that I am, I have to
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: go hard on guys. First, like over the top, whether
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: it could be no doubt at all that I've I've
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: just come. Yeah, every fucked up thing about being a
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: man has to be just beaten down, exposed, even exaggerated,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and then you can move on to the ladies. Ladies. Yeah,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: but you have to have I mean, you see my
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: news set when I was in Seattle. So I've I've
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: got this whole chunk that I'm doing on that you
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: know about this team thing that people do or they
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: just they only you know, like like people get real tribal,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Like women want to stick up. Like there's a lot
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: of women that, like I had conversations with women where
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: they failed to recognize that Hillary Clinton was a terrible
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: candidate for president, Like they failed to recognize it because
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: they wanted a woman in there so bad. And I'm like,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: that is so tribal. I'm like, this woman, first of all,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't care about you. She didn't support gay marriage until
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen. She's a fucking politician. She's as
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: dirty as they come. She did these speeches for bankers
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: which she was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, won't
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: release the transcripts, and you know that there's like, there's
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: so of the Clinton Foundation is dirty to the core,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: there's so much about her that's compromised, and people like
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I want a woman. I want a woman.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like that woman. This one, this is a terrible one.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I got. I got the admission you're after, or not
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: the youth specific actor, but I got an admission like
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: this out of a friend of mine where we're talking
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: about the Russia meddling issue, and I and just how
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: you know, just what needs to happen, and this is,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: you know, on on precedented, and I was saying, so
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: let's let's look at this for a minute. That let's
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: say Hillary Clinton had one. And it later emerged that
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Huma Aberdeen had gotten an email from some suspicious source saying, hey,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I got some real dope on your opponent, Um, would
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: you like to hear it? And she says, oh, yeah, sure,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I'd like to hear that, and they got it. Would
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: you now be saying that Hillary Clint should resign? Well no, okay.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, so you agree that you're using
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: your you're pretending to be outraged about something because it
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: serves your ends like that, We just we live now
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: in a pretend outrage world. Everything is just us pretending
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: to be more upset about ship than we actually are. Well,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: people get almost did it today and I was trying
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: to I was like, I guess I should probably pretend
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: to care more in order to frame the kind of
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: argument that that people are after. People do get upset,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: But I think one of the reasons why they get
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: upset is because there's no real consequences in life, like
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the real the actual day to day struggle is so
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: far removed from the primal world in which we evolved
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: that are day to day differences about ideologies and about
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: left versus right, or man versus woman or whatever. They's
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: so they're almost me. It's like petty, Yeah, they're petty.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: They don't they don't carry any real weight, you know,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: So this man versus woman thing. Look, all presidents suck.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: We've never had a single president that didn't suck. It's
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: a terrible job. It's a job that would be great
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: if there was a hundred of us. But the idea
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: that one king monkey is gonna run three million people,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: it's just bananas, doesn't make any sense. So whether it's
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton or whether it's and then the idea of
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: two parties. That's ridiculous to and anybody doesn't want to
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: agree to that, Like, come on, man, you don't see
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: that scam. We have a left versus a right. That's it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: There's no room for nuance. What about a third party,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: a fourth fifth? No one takes those seriously. We just
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: we have a weird sort of monopoly between these two
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: very prominent parties. I think that the people that do
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: get upset about this stuff and the people that do
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: get locked in, I don't even think they know what
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: they're doing. I think they're acting on like ancient reward
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: systems that like try want to protect the veracity of
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: their tribe and anything that's against their tribe. They dismiss ah,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Like what was going on with Fox News when all
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: the Russia stuff was going on, All they wanted to
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: talk about was Hillary Clinton's emails. It's all anybody wanted
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: to talk about. Well, well, Hillary Clinton. When they'll grab
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the pussy tape came out, it was Hillary Clinton and
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: her emails. Like, they didn't even spend a moment on
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: the idea that you are setting an example for all
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: of the human beings in this kind of the president
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: sets a tone. Do we really want to say that
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: we're okay with a president of the United States, the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: commander of the military that is the greatest army the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: world has ever known. This guy is okay with saying
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: you can grab them by a pussy. I was trying
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: to kiss this girl. I moved on her like a bitch.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I always have gone on me because I always want
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: to have my breath, Because I just kiss, I just kiss.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I can't help myself. Like it sounds like a fucking meniac, right,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: He would argue he was doing stand up. Well, he
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: probably was, probably was. I mean, that's that is a
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: really good look. There's a real good argument for having
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: something like that being a massive violation of privacy and
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: should be punishable by some sort of an extreme way. Yeah,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I remember you joking before that, Why is everybody not
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: super mad at Bob Marley? For I was gonna shot
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: shot the sure if people aren't met Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that was that was another bit that IOL do. Yeah,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: this these ideas, I think, um, people get so wrapped
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: up in there. We we have these weird patterns, you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: when we're very tribal in our defense of our our
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: patterns you know, and I think that's what you're seeing
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: with left versus right. I think you see that with
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: hunters versus vegans too. I mean, I've got a bit
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: in my actor. I'm like, there's vegans that are vegans
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: because they really care and they wouldn't want animals to die.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: And then there's vegans were really only vegans because scientology
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: didn't find them first. Yeah, these dumb motherfucker's could have
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: joined the Taliban if they took the wrong exit. They're stupid.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: They just found a group that will take them in
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and now they have vegan in their screen name, and they'll,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you know, they'll attack. Well, the thing I like most
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: about vegans, or maybe it's least I can't decide, and
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I don't you know, I don't like to to to
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: like you're saying, you know, I don't like try to
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: put them all in the same box. But it's such
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: a radical aparture from norms. Yeah. Right, so it's like
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: you're engaged in this. You have this belief system that's
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: just really I mean, it's radical from any perspective historically, right,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: like contemporary, it's just a really unusual, uh statistically like
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: a really unusual way to eat. But then the way
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: they act so just dumbfounded by the fact that there
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: are people that aren't engaged in it. It'd be like,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you know, just if you got interested in it'd be
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: like you also didn't get interested in shooting pool, and
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: you're just so angry everybody that doesn't. You wanna be like,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: but most people don't shoot pool. Yeah, why when you
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: run into a non pool shooter, why are you so
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: pissed at him? It's like you're you're talking about something
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that just like it's kind of like brand spanking new. Yeah,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and people are super selective about their outrage, Like a
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: vegan has to drive down the street and almost every
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: gas station look at has slim gems. Every McDonald's get
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: dead cows in it. Everywhere you go. You're just looking
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: at me. But then they'll find some guy with a rack,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: uh you know, in his truck, like some guy with
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: a dead deer, and they're just this is a fucking outrage,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: you know. You know why? You know why that is
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: because they like when people like like people that don't
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: like hunting, but they eat meat. I think that they
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: feel that the only way to responsibly eat me is
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: they have this vague sense of guilt, like it comes
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: with shame. But then there's some dude was like, I, oh, yeah,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I mean and uh, I mean in this thing right here,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: and this thing makes me real happy. I'm glad, I
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: got it. I'm not gonna eat it. I love this animal,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I love where it lived. Like everything about this whole
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: damn thing this is very exciting to me. People are like, wow,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I would appreciate it if you felt some sense of
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: like not knowing nous and a little guilt, a little
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: more uneasiness, like don't engage in this singing like it.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: That's why they're pissed because you're you're like you're you're
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: sort of going like yep, everything about this picture feels
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: right to me, and that is annoying to Yeah, I
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: get it, but like people are going to McDonald's and
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: they got this guy, and I really should eat McDonald
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: so much, and jeez, you know, you know, like how
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: are these animals taken care of? Like that's sort of
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: like this thing. But then when you get like real
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: happy about the meat, it's off putting. There's another thing
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: that people do that I've been talking about a lot lately,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: and it's vegans who have pets and they feed their
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: pets animals. It's is one of the best parts of
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: your bit when you're the cat Joe doing the cat
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: who's looking out the window at a bird and remembering old, old,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: buried feelings. But that's I mean, there's something fucked up
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: about people that can sort of departmentalize like that. They
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: can they can compartmentalize their ideas and just like it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: So this is just cat food. This is just cat food.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Just pour it in there. It's okay. No, it's a
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: fucking chicken. That chicken was in a cage and it
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: got shoved into a machine, dozens of chickens and the
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: grounded bits of dozens of and they made little stars
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: out of it. Like this is not karma free, Like
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: this is crazy. Yeah, but people like acting like, oh
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: my cat speaking like they're proud of it. Like you know,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: you could lock someone in the room to be like,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: you know what's cool about that person? They never want
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: to go outside. It's true, it's I mean, look, I
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: think there's also there's an issue that a lot of
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: people have that aren't involved in hunting, and I think
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: when you look at the general population, what is the
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: numbers eat meat something on those longes. Man, I never
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: looked at up. I don't know. I think it's pretty
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: crazy high. It's something in the arrangement, you know. I
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: have looked up. I can't remember what I found. What
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: percentage are engaged in the depth of that animal? Is
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: it even ten? It's probably not even tasha less than that,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: maybe like percentage of people. I guess you could say,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: like what percentage of people work in the uh so
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: you'll be saying the meat, the processing and agricultural sectors
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: even that, yeah, that or hunting, or like say that
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: what percentage of were involved in the actual death of
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the animal that they consume. It's so insignificant, it's so small.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: But if you think about the past, all of human past,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: the connection was almost immediate, Like almost every person had
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: some sort of an immediate connection to the fish that
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: came out of the river or the cow that they slaughtered,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: or the deer that they hunted. All that stuff was
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: like immediate, and so it was natural and everybody understood
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: it by by separating people almost unanimously from the meat
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: and from the death of the animal, like the connection
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: to it is is so vague. It doesn't even make
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: sense to people. It doesn't make sense that you shoot
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: an animal. I mean, well, they're My wife was having
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: dinner with some friends and one of the guys was
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: English and um, I was on an elk hunt and
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: uh and they were like, well, where's your husband's like, oh,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: he's hunting. And the guy's cutting into his steak. He's like,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: that's deplorable. That's deplorable. She goes, you're eating a fucking
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: steak Like where did you? What do you what did
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: this grow off a steak tree? Like what are you
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: talking about? Like he he eats that, you're eating it,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Like I said, okay that you killed it with your
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: credit card, but it's not okay that someone does it
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: with a bow and arrow, Like you're out of your
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: fucking mind, Like this is You've got some weird mental people.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: If you were honest, they would say, yes, I can't
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: explain why, but that's what I'm saying. Yes, but that's
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: not a tenable argument. It's just not and what they let.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: People love recreational outrage. They love to be able to
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: be upset about that. I'm gonna steal that words. Yeah,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I think so, I'm not sure recreation. You have a
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: treated it to me. I might have heard it from
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: somebody else, but I say it so much I almost
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: on it now. But anybody recreational outrage is what it is.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: It's like they've decided this instead of going also known
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: as Facebook, Yeah, instead of saying, yeah, this is kind
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: of weird that I eat steak and then I have
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: a problem with someone killing a wild animal, Like, tell
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: me about it. Yeah, here's another weird thing I've had
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: people say. I like that you do with a bow
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: and arrow. I think rifle huntings for pussies, But I
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: like the fact you do it with a bow and arrow.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: It seems to give the animal more of a chance.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: And I go, Okay, honestly, it's better to do it
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: with a rifle. I'm like, it's smarter. I'm like, if
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: you do with a rifle, you have a higher higher
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: percentage of kills, your higher percentage of success, more opportunities,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Like it's going to die a little quicker. Yeah, if
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: you're gonna do it ethically, I mean it's gonna It's
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: like a rifle is a really good way to go.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Like why why does that? Why does someone think it's
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: too easy? Like Oh, it's too easy, Like I could
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: get a hunter thinking that, like I enjoy a more
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: intense challenge, you know, like I'm tired of tapping out
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: blue belts. I only want to spar with black belts now,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I want to I need a more intense challenge to
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: excite me. Which is weird for people, like, wait a minute,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: are you trying to hunt for food? Or you have
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: playing a game like what are you doing here? Which
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: which one of these? Well, it's kind of both. Definitely both. Yeah,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: it's definitely both. But people don't want to hear that.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants to hear that. Well, you get off on this?
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Do you get off on this? Yeah? Yes we do.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I mean look, when I was in Utah, we did
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: this under arm Or film M that's gonna be released
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: this Friday, and I shot this giant herd bull. It was,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: it was amazing. It was the craziest experience. This bull
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: had like thirty forty cows. He had um heard them
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: all into this one area and then one cow took
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: off and he followed this cow and he's like, get
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: back here, come on, get back here. She's like, fuck you,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: I'm finding someone else. You've got too many women, and
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: she takes off and he had to follow after her,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: and so he brings all of his cows to follow
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: after her, and we went and followed after two. And
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: so as we were coming over the hill, there was
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: some other bulls that had been bugling behind us. He
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: thought that we were those other bulls, so he came
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: back around, and that's how I got him. And this
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: whole thing was like he heard him, he hears walking,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: so he came about and then he went around us
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: try to catch our wind. And but I was at
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: full draw with like eight yards. It was like a
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: bunch of bushes in the trees. But I was at
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: full yard and these he's huge. I'm looking at his antlers.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: He's standing there. He's like he's like just looking around,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: and I see him right there, and the thrill of
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: it all, it's so insane. And then to have him
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: go down the hill and then come back around and
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: then he's in a gap at like thirty or two yards,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: and between these two trees there's like a two foot gap.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: And I punched that arrow straight through the heart. It
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: was a perfect shot. And he said he walked like
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: fifty yards and just starts wobbling and just drops. If
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: that's not thrilling. If you want me to say that
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: that I didn't enjoy that, I'm not going to I'm
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I enjoyed it. It was exciting, it
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: was crazy. I love the meat. It's the best tasting meat.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I love the idea of getting meat that way. I
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: love the fact that I'm not dealing with factory farming,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: or hormones or antibiotics or tortured animals. I'm dealing with
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: a wild animal that thought some other wild animal was
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: gonna come and bang his chicks. And he was like,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: funk that I'm gonna to protect my girls. And he
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: came back around and I got him. And I think
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: if you took any vegan whoever through that same experience
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: and just held them by the hand and we're just
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: there and they didn't have to try to shoot the animal,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: but it held him by the hand and let him
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: experience all that, they have a very hard time looking
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: in the eye and saying that wasn't thrilling at all. Well,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: you were an elk guide for a long time, and
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: one of the things that I was saying to these
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: people in Utah, I was saying, have you guys ever
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: thought about taking people out that have no desire to
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: hunt and just dress them up in camel and sneaking
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: them into the rut, Just just get in there just
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: while while it's happening, and watch how crazy it is,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: because it's a little bit different there than if you
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: watch it on Blue Blue Planet, or it's so much different.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: It's so much different. Mean, we were we were seven.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: We we crawled, I mean by crawled like tiptoe, like
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: real slow through the woods for about thirty five minutes
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: till we got to this, uh these trees that were
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: the edge of this creek where these uh, these elk
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: were all funneling through, and we were super close, like
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: inside of twenty yards of some of these some of
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: these um cows, and you know, some of them would
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: like look at us and stare at us, and we're
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: totally frozen and we're not moving, and they went back
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: to their ship and start doing things and doing elk things.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: But we're in the heat of this, and I was like,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: this is so exciting, like even if we don't even
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: shoot an elk, like you're surrounded by like twenty elk
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: in their world and they don't even know you're there.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: You get to see them be elk. Like this would
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: be a exciting thing just to take people and just
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: tell them how to like walk real slow and we're
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: gonna get you in the middle of this crazy activity.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: What we saw them running. We saw this one bull
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: elk like literally tackle this cow. He got on top
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: of her and he hits her one time, breeds here
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: and like sins are flying, like sins are flying forward
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: on her hind legs, and we're like, this is right here,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: you're right here watching that. But I think a lot
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: of people would come out of that experience and they
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be like, and now I want to run an
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: arrow through one. I agree with you, Yeah, for sure.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would have a real
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: hard time watching that. Animals stumble, watching the blood pull
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: up both sides of its body through its vitals, and
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: watching them drop over. To me, I was like, look,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: he's not gonna live forever. He's gonna get eaten by
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: mountain lions or wolves or whatever else, bears, whatever else
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: comes along and catches him when he's weak. He's probably
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: eight and a half nine years old. If he's super lucky,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: he's got two years, he's in the autumn of his life.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: If he's super lucky, he's got left. But that, you know,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't go and say that there's like an old
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: man walking on the side of the road that oh, yeah,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you run him over. I mean,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: he's the old guy. You know. That's true. Now, that's true.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: It's but the the old guy on the side of
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: the road is not gonna get attacked by a mountain
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: lion anytime soon. Hopefully. This animal, for sure is I mean,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: that's their demise. Their demise is freeze to death, starvation, predatory,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: you know, just they have three options. It's not it's yeah,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: arrows are way better than all those other options. It's
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: hard to you know. I spent a lot of time
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: trying to get into the it's a mental trap, but
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: you try to get into the animal's mind. I think
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: that's where where it winds to me be tricky with
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: talking to people who liked bow hunt. I was having
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: this conversation with the April Bokey. We're talking about bow
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: hunt and she's talking about just like she's more ethical
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: to bow hunt and um, and I'm like, what just
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: winds like, like you brought up earlier, it's really tricky
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: because from whose perspective the animal dosn't care? Yeah at all.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I had a like a animal rights I interviewed in
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: animal rights activist and have him explaining he's like, the
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: animal doesn't care. The animal don't care that you have
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: these like high minded ideals about wildlife conservation and preservation
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: and the they you respect it and they're going to
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: utilize at all. It's dead. The same way that someone's
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: gonna come and and and shoot you, you're probably not
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: really gonna like weigh out what were the motivations of
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: the person that shot you? You're like, oh, with all
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: that considered, I'm glad I was murdered. That's his that's
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: his way of looking at it. That's a way of
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: looking at it too. But did you say about species
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: is m I talking about I know about that. I'm
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: a species is. There's a fucking thing that a meme
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: that someone made where it's it's got like Hitler is
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: like a racist and all that, and then it comes
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: to me and I've got a mooselig it's a species ist.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: It's a good concept. Yeah, have you had any uh
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: has anything. Have you learned things or had thoughts or
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: seen things and hunting that have gone and and made
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: their way into your stand up, like what your vegan
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: been exist if you hadn't started dabbling in hunting. You know,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I told you before we went on that trip that
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I was having some real concerns about factory farming. I'd
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: watched way too many of those PETA videos. I'd seen
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: a bunch of them, and I was like, what am
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I doing? Like? How am I eating this food that's
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: being raised like this? Because I think the a gag
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: laws that we have, the agriculture gap where people don't
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: know there's there's laws that prevent people from filming inside
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: of these horrific factory farm warehouses where they have these
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: pigs and cows and chickens just stuffed into these really
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: confined areas. I mean, I'll goal from to do it,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: even if the manager of the slaughter facility wanted to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: let them. No. No, I think undercover filming. I think
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: that's what it mostly involves activists releasing undercover so that
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: you're not allowed to show people because it could harm
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: the business, you know, which is just crazy. It's like
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: it's it harms the business because most people are not
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: aware of how horrific these conditions are. And uh, I'd
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: gotten down too many rabbit holes and I'd watched too
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: many of those videos, and I was like, this is
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: just a crazy thing that people have accepted because they're
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: completely insulated from it. You just go to Morton's and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: you order the rib i and it comes out and
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that looks good and you start digging in.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: You don't think about what happened to that animal. Up
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: until that point. Well, I had started thinking about it.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: So I had made this sort of decision before I
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: went with you that I was either going to be
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: a vegan or a vegetarian, or I was going to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: become a hunter. I was like, well, I gotta figure
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: out one of these things, because this is just I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: can't just keep ignoring the fact that I know how
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: these animals live. And then when, um, I told you,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: when as soon as that that deer dropped, I was like, Okay,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing. I was like, this is
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: just too exciting, this is amazing. And then when we're
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: eating it, we're eating it over the fire. To this day,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: that's one of my happiest memories, Like you and me
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: and Callan and Callahan were just cutting up that meat
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: and Doughty were eating over the fire. I'm like, this
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: is one of my best memories, guilt free eating. It
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: was a hundred percent guilt free. I mean I didn't.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: It was definitely a sense of loss. I mean, you
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: guys captured that really good. You got my face, like
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: when I shot the deer and I was like, whoa,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: here we go. That's one of my favorite meteor moments
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: of zero reaction there. It's beautiful. Yeah, it was intense
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: when when I originally talked to you years ago now
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: about going on a hunting trip and we're like kicking
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: around various ideas you were reluctant to You're reluctant to
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: go hunt bears, but then later did a bear hunt?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: What what went on in your mind aroundmost ideas? Like
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: what do you think? It was? Um, well, I didn't
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: think that you eat you ate bears, and then I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: realized you do. And then so the idea of any
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: eating a bear was kind of alien to me. It's
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: like I can't get that good, but dear good, I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: like venecent. So you just you could just picture it
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: really well. Yeah. And also bears are just too much
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: like dogs, like they're too canine. It's like there's too
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: much about them. And uh, I have gone on bear hunts,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: but the reality is I do not enjoy it the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: same way I enjoy elk hunting or deer hunting. Because
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: you like elk me, Yeah, because I like elk meat,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: and I like the idea that they are there. You know,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: there's predators and then there's prey, and although bears are omnivorous,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: they're they're essentially predators, whereas the deer their prey. I mean,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: and you can you can even eat them raw, like
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: you've got trichinosis, So that that trichinosis thing freaks me out.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Like all the weird pathogens and parasites and ship that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: these bears can get that freaks me out too. But
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: it's just I don't feel the same way about They
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: react differently when you hit them. Like when they get hit,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: they literally try to attack the area that that got
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: like an arrow goes from They go back and they
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: try to like go back and get it, and they
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: they moaned. They fight death in a different way. It's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: like everything about them is different, and there's just um,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: they're too close to like what we are. You know,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I'll eat them. I mean, don't get me wrong. Like
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: if you have some bear sausage, I'll definitely eat it,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: and if you know, we're out on a bear hunt.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: But the reaction that people have too bears too is
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: another thing that keeps you. Like if you put up
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: a picture of a dead bear, people blow their fucking gaskets.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: They go crazy. People are a real hard time with
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: dead bears. But but would that would you allow that
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: to influence your like are you like, oh yea, I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: would put this picture up on social media, but I'm
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: not gonna exists too upsetting to people. I kind of
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: stopped putting dead animals on social media because it's just
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: too stola. Yeah, too confusing for people. I'll put up
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: pictures of me hunting. I'll put up meat, I'll put
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: up but you know, and like some hunters will give
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: me a hard time, like our friends put up don't
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: you put up the dead animal? Like yeah, Like I
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: think it's too confusing. You know, people just look at
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: it like, oh, trophy, you're a trophy hunter. You're killing
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: this animal for that. But if you just have the meat. Like,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: nobody gets mad. Very few people get mad at me
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: when I cook like some elk, and I'll put a
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: picture of it on Instagram, like I'll have, you know,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: one out of a four or five hundred comments and
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: be shitty. But those are like those proselytizing vegans with
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: like vegan Warrior Princess in their screen name, and they're
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: just gonna attack anything, and that's just who they are,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: you know. But that's that that's a that's a There's
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: a notion out there about trophy hunting that I just like,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: absolutely reject. Is this idea that if if I'm going
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: out and I'm hunting and I kill a buck and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: I eat the buck and I like the buck a lot,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm real happy about it, and I keep its antlers,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: that somehow the idea that it would have been more
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: pure had I discarded a portion of it the antlers. Yeah,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, no, I'm sorry. I like this whole thing.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: I'd like to being able to eat it. I also
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: like to have these antlers around too, because I think
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: they're cool looking and I remember it by it and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I just like them, and this whole thing is important
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: to me, people like the somehow this like this symbolic
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: gesture that you'd be like, my motivations are so pure,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I will discard these antlers less than anyone think that
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I cared about antlers had the time to explain what
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: you just did every time, like Joe saying, you just
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: like you're just taking it out, you know, so it
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't blow up into something I think you're doing. It
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: does help the greater good. I think just to be
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: keeping doing the meat photos and stuff like that, because
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: you're probably bringing more. You're moving that needle to you know,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: a pro hunting place as opposed to that one gripping
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: green is moving at the other direction. But I don't think.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think of every action I take as being
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: engaged in some rhetorical battle. M h no. But I
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: think for for Joe, it's just like a waste of time,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: right Eventually you're just like, it's just create conflict. A
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: friend of ours once pass along an image, you know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: never mind talking about confusing. I'm not gonna tell about
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: this image, but I'm gonna talk about this mo who
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I love was you're talking about a
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: bear's response, Like just bears being different Moa. I believe
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: he's in Colombia with some like indigenous hunters and they
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: shot a monkey with a blow dart. I could be
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: messing this up. I don't think I am. And he
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: described the monkey reaching around to grab at the dart.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: I think this is motelling. Yeah, I remember you told
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: me I want to take the name out left because
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: if I'm messing the story up. But that really struck him. Yeah,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: of the thing that like, there is this sort of difference,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: and I oftentimes try to reject it. The idea that
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: that we should that if you have a sustainable population
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: of black bears, and you have a team of wildlife
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: professionals or biologists who are able to look and and
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: have a management objective for the bears and realize that
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: there's a harvestable surplus of animals, meaning you could have
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: a bear of an ex number of bears, and that
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: every year you could harvest some percentage or kill some
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: percentage of those bears and the next year have the
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: same number of bears again, because the landscape has a
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: carrying capacity that it's going to maintain, and you can
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: remove some animals and that number is probably gonna stay.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: The same, because if you were not to remove those numbers,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: you would see a similar effect from starvation territoriality, you know,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: bears killing other bears to defend territory, and so there was,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: you know, the term like a harvest bule surplus. So
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, if you agree with these concepts, it shouldn't
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: matter if we're talking about bears or deer, but it's
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: in people's heads. We are one time with one of
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: the guys we work with, and we're looking at a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: wolverine scavenge and a moose carcass, and we didn't go
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: after it. But someone observed that in this unit we're
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: and you're allowed a wolverine, and because of the way
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: the tag system works, um that we one of us
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: could have legally gone after the wolverine. And he's like, well,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: I hope you don't go. I hope you guys aren't
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: thinking you're gonna go get that wolverine. It's like, well,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: we're not, but why, Like what is it about that?
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Because we're out here hunting, right and we're hunting under
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: guidelines that you're comfortable with, as laid out by the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: state Wildlife Agency, And they say that it's all right
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: as well, it's just because they travel so far. And
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, no, the we just we're hunting caribou
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: right now, and this is the largest this is the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: longest migrating land mammal we have. So it's not distance traveled.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: These seems will travel hundreds of miles. He's like, well,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: they lived to be old. Well there's you know, we
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: got radio collared elk and other things that they're in
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: their early twenties and you're comfortable hunting those. Well, it's
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know, just something's different about it. Well, also,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: isn't it that you're not gonna eat it? Would you
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: eat the wolverine? Well, I got a friend who I
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: gotta Yeah, you know, if I Here's the thing That's
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: what always goes through my head because I'm not dying
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: to go. I'm not like I'm not dying to go
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: get a wolverine. I'm not I'm not like really interested
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: in eating the wolverine. I would. Now my friend back um,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: a buddy of his, was talking about sitting there, coming
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: into Buck's house one time and he's boiling a wolverine
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: skull because he wants to keep the skull and his
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: friends saying, as I'm sitting there watching him cleaning the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: skull with a jackknife, he's just picking the skull meat
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: and eating it. So here's the guy who likes Wolverene flesh.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Just fine, What are you telling me that there was
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: some famous trapper that really enjoyed wolf. Wolf was like
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: his favorite meat. That was the Arctic explorer Bill Jalmer Stephenson,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: who ate who lived just the strict wild game diet
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: out of necessity while he was traveling in the Canadian
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: High Arctic. And uh, he had actually made first contact
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: with a lot of uh Inuit hunters in the early
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: even in the early nine hundreds. He was making that
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: they were aware of whites but hadn't met whites. But um, yeah,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: he he was just like that was his meat. Wolf
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: he had eaten. You know, he's eating muskox, doll, sheep, caribou.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: He preferred both, loved it, talked about all the time.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: It was his favorite. Me. But take this, he one
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: time there was a dead whale on the beach that
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: he writes about and it was like this, uh, like
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: this dried out like a desiccated whale carcass on the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: beach and they were really hard up for food, and
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: so they would and cut the tongue out of this whale.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: And he thought about how they had to boil it,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: change the water. Boil it changed the water, boil it
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: changed the water just to get the salt out. It
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: was so impregnanted with salt, and eventually eat it. And
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: later he hears the encounters menu hunters and and they explained,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: I think that I think of a lanter seven years yea,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: so he had so he had a strong stomach seven years.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Another really interesting thing to Stephenson. You should read stephen
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: You should read Stephens in My Life with the Eskimo,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: because the thing that frustrates Stephenson is that when he
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: he would go, I know, I told you about this too.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Stephenson would go and try to impress the Inuit with technology,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: but because they had this very elaborate mystical belief system,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: things weren't impressive to him. Like he would say, you know,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: he would bring up, uh, you know when our where
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: where I come from, we can open a person up
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: and do a surgery and they're like, oh, yeah, we
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: know a guy comploy your whole spine and skull out
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: while you're sleeping and put a new one back in,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: and he'd say, oh, check this gun out, I can
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: shoot something away, Like, oh, yeah, we know a guy
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: who can take his bow and shoot it and it'll
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: the air, will fly over the mountains and kill something
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: on the other side of the mountains. And he'd always
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: be getting bent out of shape about his inability to
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: impress them because they had and everyone's telling to like
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: he's talking about his uh a telescope that he can
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: observe the craters on the moon, and like, we know
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: a guy to up there. That's awesome. But one thing
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: he was able to get him on board with a
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: small stove he had where I think it was a stove,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: and they're like, no, that that's something I do dig
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: that stove. Man, that's awesome you Oh yeah, man, Well
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: if you went wolf funny, would you be into eating it?
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: Would you definitely take the meat? You know? Oh there's
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: no way. Yeah. Just because of me and my personal
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: like just how I like how I approached stuff and
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: sort of the moral system that I have set up.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: This isn't a comment about what I think all the
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: people should do. It is just like me personally, like
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: my personal view of what hunting is to me and
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: does for me. Um, yeah, I would, I would be
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: actually pretty curious about it. But here's the thing that
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: happens to me, is there where I gos buying wolf tanks.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: But then I just don't have the like when I
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: see him, I don't have uh must yeah, I don't like.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: I don't have my brother and my brother describes as
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: lustb One time we were hunting, like I got a
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: doll sheet. Then a few days later my friend got
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: a black bear and we were camped up on a
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: gravel bar, and you know, here comes the wolf down
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: the other side of the stream from a river from us.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Beauty too, Yeah, just like loping along white dusky light.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: I mean it was kind of magical and just not
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: and I just felt like, yeah, I know, we just
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: got like a sheet, we got a bear, like you know,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: not enough, and um yeah, it's like it doesn't go
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: seeing one. I just don't. I don't feel it and
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: it's not it's not you know, I'll probably still continue
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: to go buy wolf to I don't. I don't like
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: buying tags. I don't look at me beings a waste
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: some money it goes to fund you know wild life
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: agencies and you get throwing down the drain, but um, yeah,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: I get them, and then I don't. I don't walk
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: around being like hoping to every corner that come around
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: it would be a wolf stand there in range. Yeah,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: I just want to see them in the wild. I
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: saw I think I saw one in Alberta. I saw
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: something very doglike run across the road late at night,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: like it was like at dusk or waiting to get
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: picked up, and it ran across this dirt road. It's like,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's a wolf. And they got a lot
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: of wolves up there, But I've never seen one like
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: real close where you could definitely get a get a
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: look at it. But my instinct would definitely not be
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: to shoot it. Yeah, I don't have it. But what's
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: funny with me is, at the same time, UM, A
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: very you know, strong advocate of the idea that while
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: like you know that healthy, sustainable wildlife resources should be
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: managed for you know, it should be managed for people
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: to do like extraction of renewable resources. So I always
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: support and continue to push for states that have stable
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: populations of wolves to be able to manage them as
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: the states seas fit, including if they have wolf seasons.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: But this same way that you know, some things I
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: hunt for all the time and keep wanting to do it,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: there's other things I'm just like just want to be
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: not that interested in. You know. I was just having
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: this conversation with Rammy the other day where, um, you know,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: after a long time, but no emperor goose seasons and
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: in in western Alaska they're gonna have like an emperor
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: goose hunt. And we were kicking this around by how
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: you can apply for a tag for an emperor goose
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: and uh, usually I'm like a generalist and I want
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: to go hunt whatever. But in time, bo I was
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: just like, I just don't feel like I'm just not
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: fired up, Like I haven't had enough time to begin
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: to think of it as a Yeah, I just about
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: that about Africa as well, right, Yeah, Like, yeah, I
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: think that when I look at a lot things that's there,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: there's certain things that look at I'm like, that's a
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: game animal to me, like it's appealing to me. It's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: appealing to me as a thing to hunt and and
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: to other people is different. I think, you know, it's
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: hugely depending on where you grew up. Like if you
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: see a white tailed deer. Boom, that food, that's a
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: white tailed deer. If you see a Neil guy like,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: oh look at that. Yeah, what's that again, Neil guy. Huh,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: so that's what one of those looks like. Yeah, so
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: it's something that develops over time. I'm curious about the wolves.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel like what might happen is the
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: same thing that happened with the mountain lion. If he tried.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Mountain lion is delicious, dude. I look at a mountain lion,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: I look at a mountainline, and I'm like, that's a
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: game animal. Yeah, but a year ago, before we went
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: on that hunt, and before you shot that one, before
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: I ended up with whatever thirty pounds in my freezer,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I kind of had hit them in the wolves in
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: the same category. That's kind of you can tell if
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: it was like an eating thing or not. And then
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I started eating mountain lion, Like,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: you need to get another mountain lion, December. I'm telling you,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: what's it comparable to pork? Pork A really good pork.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: The fat is good on it. It's got a white fat,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: but not all talking tattle, not waxy fat like ungults,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: you know, not waxy fat like members of the deer
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: not like members of deer family. It's got a fat
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: on it that looks like like a pork fat. And
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: that ship is good Man that played the Tohone Ranch
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: place where you took me hunting wild pigs. They have
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: trail camera that's set up over a pond and they
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: got sixteen different mountain lions on that trail camera. Yeah,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: different ones. They're like California is overrun. It's overrun because
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: they won't manage them. Well no, but I heard they're
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: killing just as many now as they ever did killing them. Well,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: they're killing them when they encroach on civilization. Like they're
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: not killing them out in like Tahone Ranch, but they're
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: killing them like in San Francisco. They they've been doing
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: this thing where they did the study on the diet
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: of these mountain lions that they wind up killing because
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: they wind up, you know, getting too close to people.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: It's all pets. It's all dogs and cats. They're eating
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: people's dogs and cats. Like that's like fifty of their diet.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: It thought would be mostly deer. But but it's funny
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: because the public is okay, like like Oh yeah, I'm
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: okay with killing the mountaine as long as the person
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: hunt him isn't having a good time. If they're being
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: paid by the government to do it, that's cool. But
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: if they're paying, if they're paying money, yeah, to go
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: out and do it, and they enjoy it, and they
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: view the animal with like a certain level of admiration
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: and respect and want to be like putting its skin
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: in their house to look at for the rest of
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: the life. That's not okay with me. I want the
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: guy who just punching a nine to five clock and
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: doing it. That's their perspective on it. Yeah, they don't
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: want it to be a pleasurable thing. They wanted to
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: be a necessity, a management issue. But they don't understand
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: like they're the resources. The money goes the opposite way. Now,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: you have to pay someone to do something that you
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: would get money from, you know, you would get someone
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: to pay you so that they could go out and
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: do it. Instead you have to pay someone to go
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: out and do it. Do you hear about that mountain lion,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: the Coward mountain lion, and the Santa Monica mountains that
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: funked up this alpaca farm. Yeah, I wrote about this,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: and this woman got a depredation permit and she got
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  Speaker 1: so many death threats. This this mountain and killed eleven
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  Speaker 1: alpacas and a goat just went on a rampage there
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  Speaker 1: was in New York was sorry interrupted, and so she
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  Speaker 1: got a depredation permit. This is her livelihood. She raises alpacas,
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  Speaker 1: and this thing just slaughtered them. And even though this
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: mountain lion is obviously just recreationally killing animals, the idea
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: killing that mountain lion was so it angered people that
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: a person would do that. So they started sending her
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: death threats and she panicked and she pulled out of it,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm not doing anything. So she's sort
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: of left in this terrible situation where, you know, twelve
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  Speaker 1: of her animals were murdered by this big collared mountain line.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he really murdered. It's not like he's etium.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It's one thing that he killed an alpaca
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  Speaker 1: and he ate it. Well, some mountain lions, do you
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  Speaker 1: know it's gonna be around him. Maybe she'd get some
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  Speaker 1: dogs and bark or something, but no, this one just
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  Speaker 1: got in and just went on a rampage. She's just
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  Speaker 1: like surplus killing. People like to Really it's funny that
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  Speaker 1: people like to really argue whether that's the reality or
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  Speaker 1: not a mountain lion doing that. People like to debate.
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  Speaker 1: It's like people who talk about surplus killing tend to
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  Speaker 1: be okay with hunting wolves and mountain lions, and people
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  Speaker 1: who are very uncomfortable by the subject of surplus killing
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: tend to be not okay with it, Like they like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to acknowledge that that's true because it
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: messes up the message I'm trying to send about how
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: these animals behave basically the same thing that you were
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: talking about with like Hillary Clinton with the Russians, Like
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: if you were on that team, you would say, well, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: no no, you would you would find somewhere to way
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  Speaker 1: to justify it. Yeah, it's it's a tribal idea, and
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: the tribal ideas there's hunters, these terrible, mean people like
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Elmer Fudd, and then there's us good people who don't
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: believe in that want to protect wildlife at any cost.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: I've run in the same thing by writing about um
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: archaeological work bison kill sites that sometimes you would have
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: where that you talk about like articulated and disarticulated carcasses
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: at at kill sites where you'd have the remains of
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: hundreds of animals, hundreds of buffalo or bison and a
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: dozen have been processed and the restaurant is there. It
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: makes people uncomfortable because there's this tidy notion of that
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: prior to European contact, like like all killing was very
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: purposeful and every part of the animal got used, which
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: is like a pretty which is a helpful concept to
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: understand hunting practices, you know, among Native Americans. But there
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: are exceptions to the rule and people don't really like
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: that kind of like extra noise to be like, oh,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: there's a kill site where eight hundred of them went
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: off a cliff and it seems that maybe twenty or
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: so we're butchered, and the restaurant just left a rock,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: probably because it was hot out. How could you ever
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: get to them all? It was like a thing that happened,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: and it does and it winds up. It's just like
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: people don't like that kind of stuff. Like you know what,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: sometimes the mountain lion would just kill a ton of
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: ship kind of because it just enjoys the excitement of it.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: We'll never know what's really in his head. But he's
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: expending energy, right, He's he's putting himself to risk, which
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: they understand. So there's something he's getting out of this
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: or else. Why would it be that he would just
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: go out and like, I'm gonna expel a ton of
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: energy and really be at risk in a place I
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: know I shouldn't be, or a place that's like more
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: scary than when I'm laying up in a tree in
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: the middle of a thicket. I'm gonna do all that
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: and kill a bunch of stuff. He's gotta be getting something.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: There's something that's coming out of that. Yeah, we were
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: talking about this the other day. Those wild animal parks.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: You ever see that wild animal park footage from Beijing
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: where this woman got in an argument with her boyfriends,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: gets out of the car tiger Jackson at It's crazy
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: footage because she got she she shut the past your
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: side door, and she storms over to the boyfriend's you
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: know side, and she's yelling at him, and then out
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: of nowhere, this tiger just goes just grabs her and
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: and like that's what it wants to do. That's what
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: it does. Like, you can't just feed it. Killed her,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: killed her, didn't kill her, killed the person who tried
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: to rescue her. Mom got out of the car and
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: chased after the lion and the tiger, and the tiger
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: killed her. Yeah, mauled her, killed her mom. That's what
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: they want to do. And you can't just feed them.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: You just can't just keep feeding them. That's not good enough.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Like they're designed to kill things their nature's cleanup system.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Anything with a limp gets taken out, everything slower gets
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: taken out. And then all of a sudden they're in
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: this weird enclosure where people are staring at them through
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: glass and they never get to kill anything. And like
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: all these reward systems that are primal that are just
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: a part of their DNA since the beginning of time,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: they don't get exercised. It's kind of torture in a
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: lot of ways. Yeah, I want to point out too,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: I don't when I talk about like surplus killing among predators,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: I don't anybody hold this against them. I'm not pointing
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: out like, oh, and they you know, and they deserved
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: to have bad things happen to them. It's just, you know,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: it's just in understanding wildlife which I'm interested in. It's
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: just a factor. But I'm not saying there's any I'm
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: not proposing there's any like sting there. I I believe
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: that I believe we should continue to try to recover
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: and maintain all our wild life anywhere that it's anywhere
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: that it's plausible to do so. So I know that
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: there there are people within the hunting world who would
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: like to see who don't really welcome the return of
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: certain predators on the landscapes. But I think that in
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: generally speaking, in places where, uh where we can recover
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: large carnivores and have let's say minimal risk or a
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: limited risk of them having human conflict, I think we
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: should do it. I'm not like a guy who wants
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: to go wipe them off the face of the earth
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: out of some notion that you're gonna have tons of
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: more Elkander around that probably comes about like the hunt
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: in Alaska, and Alaska you got you know, wolves and
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: grizzlies across I don't own nineties seven orent of their
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: historic range. And it's also a great place to go
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: hunting people and people in lord Fordator super anti predator,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: and there are something about how they want to hunt Alaska.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: I always like, oh, you wouldn't like it. Bro's munch
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: predators up. There must not be any good right, well,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: I like I like the idea of wild, right the wild,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: and the wild is balanced. You're gonna have everything. You're
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: gonna have the wolves, you're gonna have the predators, you're
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: gonna have the prey. It's gonna be the whole wild experience.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Everything else is just some sort of a weird artificial environment.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: Like you've removed all the predators and now you get
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: to be the predator own and you get to drive
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: in in your truck and hop out and just pick
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: what you like and just shoot it. It's not really wild,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: you know. I love that feeling and looking over my shoulder, man,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: there a few places left though you Okay, it's tough
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: to really get wild. I don't know, man, do you
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: still feel that way after your experience and a fog mac? Oh, buddy,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: my that feelings have changed. That podcast was looking shoulder.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: That podcast was amazing. I remember hissed to you for
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: breaking up into two pieces that well, you know, I
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: should come cut a lot of our fans I should
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: come clean on that, And I told if everyone that's
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: asked about it in private conversation, I've told him I happened.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: We're a little light on content, so we we wouldn't
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: even have broken it up. It just was convenient that
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: we were that we had we need to fill a spot. Yeah,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: I'll take the blame as a producer. And I was like, Wow,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: we just talked about that so long. You could actually
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: make that too, and then we wouldn't be needing to
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: worry about how we're we're low on release dates. People
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: were pissed, why do you have a um? Do you
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: you have to release a certain amount of them? It's
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: just in our heads. You gotta let that go. Yeah, probably,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: But I'm I'm like, I like, I'm a rigid guy.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Oh like that advice? I like that. Yeah, you gotta
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: let that go. Yeah. Yeah. This is the beautiful thing
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: about being your own content provider, right, your own You
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: can do whatever you want. That's the only thing that
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: makes me happy I don't have I mean, it's not
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: the only thing, but one of the primary things about
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: this job that I love so much is I don't
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: have a boss. Nobody can tell me what to do
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: is no like do whatever I want. You know, if
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: I if I can call the people up and go tomorrow,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: they'll be There's gonna be two podcasts next week. But
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: we have all these ads tough ship by click. This
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: is what I'm doing. I'm doing two next week, I'll
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: do five. You know, I'm taking a week off after that.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have a schedule. I don't think
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: that's good for you when it comes to some things.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question. Don't that ship?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: It changed me, changed my soul? But now yeah, definitely
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: were a little more skittish, and I don't know, maybe
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: that will go away. It's as you know, time will
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: just sort of, you know, smooth it out. But I
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: tell you that I told you we saw grizzly when
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: I went to home with your brother and I have
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: a daughter with me. I haven't seen grizzly on this
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: range in forty years, maybe longer. We roll in there,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: come to find out it's sound and three cups and
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: taking a deer away from some hunters the night before.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: But it just really didn't like click. That was like
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: right in that general zone. Well, the next morning we
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: wake up and at gray light. We're crossing the big
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: meadow and I'm glassing to the north end of it,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: and I'm looking. I'm like anything elk any deer becose
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: they're big bears, and they get up on their rear legs,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: you know, looking in our direction. They're probably three yards away.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: But I mean, certainly having my daughter there played a
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: big part. If you, like, I'm getting the hell out
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: and you didn't have your daughter with you, If your
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: daughter wasn't with you, and you would bay, I would
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: never talk to you again. That's not true. Yes, it is.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: I would never ever talk to you again. Were you
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: wearing you have a rifle on you? Yeah. When I
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: heard that story, I was like, oh, it's because and
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: I even said I would have done the same thing,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: because I can't imagine ever here in the end of
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: it from my wife. Yeah, but it's not it's not
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: just like on a on a you know, case by
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: case basis of now, how do I fee want to
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: run into bears? But just sort of this this bigger
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: idea of you know, large predators on the landscape, us
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: living with them. Because now as the g y e
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: bears population grows, you know, my house, it's only a
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: matter of time until one walks through my yard. I mean,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: it could happened today. It wouldn't be at all unusual.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: Montana is exploding with him, right, But but that's I'm
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: just saying that. It's sort of like I'm just now
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: having different feelings about how earlier I used to be like, yeah,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: great grizz bears everywhere, now like your anti grizz No. No,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, like my you know, something's changed
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: inside of me. I'm thinking about it more, worried about it,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: and I just haven't come to a conclusion yet. But
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: it's this is a powerful experience. Well, I like what
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: you said about it, that you were saying you had
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: all these ideas of what it would be like, and
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: you had experienced false charges before, you'd experienced all that stuff.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: You had an idea what an attack would be like,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: and it was so so beyond what you could have
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: possibly imagined. Yeah, I feel like I I scratched a
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: nitche because I had always wanted to get a little
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: bit mauled up and talked about getting claud marks across
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: your chest like a long scar like a tattoo. Yeah,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: now I'm like, oh, that's what that's like. I don't
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: want nothing to do this ship. But you know, one
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: time I was sitting there trying to call a turkey
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: and and and no joke, heard an exhale in my ear.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: But I mean, just I'm gonna do it just like this,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: and with my head around and it's a bear feet
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: like I had called in the bear who was sneaking
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: in behind me, Jesus, not a grizzy black bear that
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: gave me the shakes for a long time. What did
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: it do? Just it was just exhaled in my ear?
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: What did you do? When I flipped around like I
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: was just just you know, scared and stumbled backward. But
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: I wasn't half as scared as he was once he
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: realized what I was. I think he makes his I
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: think at that time of year he makes his business
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: walking around listen for hens to go off, and it
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: goes eat their eggs or east the chicks and probably
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: kills some of them. And I was calling. He was
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: coming in. I think he got up to right where
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: the part is where he like pounces but had a
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: like WHOA, what the hell is at? And I just
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: hear him like like I don't know why. I feel
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: like the first thing I thought was that as a person,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: they're so quiet, never heard, and he was just I
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: mean I could have poked him with my gun. I mean,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: just right there. They're so egg and yet they can
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: just silently move over twigs and just have this weird
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: way of articulating their their paws and their bodies. Our
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: body was calling turkeys in New Mexico and looks and
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: does a double check because he's on He's sitting alongside
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: a two track, and the grass he stripped down the
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: middle is a lion belly to the grass using the
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: grassy strips camouflage, stalking him as he calls turkeys. Whoa,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: And that thing it's not gonna kill you, but it's
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: probably gets to where it gets in range and it
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: sees that movement and it's gonna pounds. I remember a
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: guy reading about a guy who was was predator calling
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: and when a bobcat came in and took his hat
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: right off, hit him so hard. WHOA. Yeah, he's like
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: making rabbit squeals, and the bobcat sees his hat moving,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: so that bobcat came in and like flew off with
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: his hat when it hit him in the head Man Crazy.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: It's a wild world out there, man, it is a
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: wild world. It's just most people don't experience it. I
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: love it. I love yeah. I love the excitement of it.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: I love the dangerous parts of it. Yeah. No, I
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: love it too, and I'd love it in many ways
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: thanks to you. Oh. I can't mean to bring this up.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: This is our hundred episode. I meant to bring this
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: up in the beginning, but I got distracted by the
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: guy who heard the show open and thought its treet
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: was falling. Um, this is our hundredth episode and the
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: reason I wanted to do with you because I wouldn't
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: be doing it if if it wasn't for you one
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: inspiration into encouragement. I've told you before, your very generous person,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: and uh, I want to It's been fun to do
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: this one times and um, well, I'm selfishly happy that
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: you do it because I love listening to it than you.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: I really love that one the other day with the
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: writer the fly fishing right, John Gear he was great.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: So yeah, So this is a small token of my
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: appreciation to have you on right now because it was
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: it's been fun doing this and I wouldn't I honestly
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: would not be doing it if I hadn't seen you
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: do it so well, and then have you say that
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: I ought to be doing too well. It's a travesty
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: if you didn't do it, Because I think your voice
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: is so important in this really conflicted world when it
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: comes to wildlife and hunting and conservation and all of
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: these different subjects. Your your voice is incredibly necessary. And
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: there's only so much of your voice it's going to
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: get on your television show, so much of your voice
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: is going to get out through the articles that you
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: write or the books that you write. There needs to
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: be more and your voice in the podcast around You're
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: You're designed for podcast. Man, you could go forever. You
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: have so many stories, you're so you're so articulate. It's
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  Speaker 1: like it's for you. This is like it's the perfect venue.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. And when I first did the podcast
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  Speaker 1: with you, I was like, why this guy have a
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: fu podcast? Like you show a podcast, People get mad
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: at me and I tell people they should have a podcast, Like, hey, bro,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: everybody just need to have a podcast. I used to
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: get these comments and like a lot of people need
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: a podcast, and there's plentying room for everybody, Yanni, you two,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: you've been in it for a long time. Though, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I've done. Next week it's I can't. I can't let
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: you leave without I was with Callen last night and
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: he was he was grabbing me like, when when are
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: we hunting again? When are we hunting again? Because he
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: hasn't been hunting since that last trip that we did
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  Speaker 1: in was it a Laskar or was it the turkey hunting?
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  Speaker 1: Turkey turkey hunting was the last one. That was the
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: last how's he doing? Is good? He's good, he's doing good.
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  Speaker 1: The other day their day, I did an event in
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  Speaker 1: uh In, Oregon, and a guy came up and asked
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: about the Cashmere Killer. We'll get one on the books. No,
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  Speaker 1: I think I think we should, absolutely, because now we're
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: starting to get to the time of year, we're looking
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: ahead of next year. What do you think about going
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: to Lanai. Let's go, b It's the greatest thing ever.
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  Speaker 1: They're super delicious, and you're in paradise. It's just seems
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  Speaker 1: surreal your bow hunting and you look to your left
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  Speaker 1: and it's the Pacific Ocean and it's gorgeous, it's amazing,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: and it's it's also necessary. When you talk about conservation,
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  Speaker 1: I mean they hire people, they hire snipers. That's one
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: of those places where the conservation goal is to get
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: rid of the animals. Yeah. They literally told me when
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: you go there goes everything you want to shoot, shoot
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: it everything you go. Yep, there's no number. Nope, no number.
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  Speaker 1: You have a license. Once you have a license, you
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  Speaker 1: can shoot as many as you want. Like you shoot
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  Speaker 1: five six deer. If you wanted to be crazy, you
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  Speaker 1: can have deer for a year. They're amazing, amazing. They're
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: super tender too, like shoulder meat and and like hams,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: taste like backstraps or a tenderloin. It's like super tender.
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  Speaker 1: They're delicious. And I had an old buck too and
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: still like really tender meat, really good. I mean this
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  Speaker 1: it's just a weird environment. I'm sold. Let's do it.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: And you can shoot with anything, rightful. You're dust off?
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  Speaker 1: All right? Dusted off's got the cashmere. Killer's got a bow?
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  Speaker 1: Really yeah, I'll bring him here, I'll have I'll test
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: him on the range. We'll we'll start, let's start training.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: And got a little suction cups on the end of
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: the arrows, all right, Joe Rogan, host of The Joe
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Rogan Experience. Um, really good stand up that makes you
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: want to pisch your pants, all kinds of stuff. Color commentator.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: I love things you would sell me at three jobs. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: so I think it's more color commentary for the you
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: have to see stand up comedy podcasting. Yeah, it's pretty
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: much just those three done some TV and film act
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: and those things too. Yeah. I don't know anymore though.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Joe Rogan, Thank you thanks for introducing me
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: to hunting. Problem is all you form at all. It's
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: such a difficult dating relationship here and it works out
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: well for me and you. It's a it's very hard
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: for someone who's in their forties to figure out how
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: to hunt, you know, So for me to have you
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: mentor me and take me out like that and show
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: me how to do it, and then take me to
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: Montana into like a real you know, the Missouri breaks,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: real wild environment. That was a life changing experience. Like
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: I said, to this day, that moment of cooking that
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: deer over that fire after a successful hunt or callendar
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: callendard killed, I killed. We're sitting there and we're eating
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: and we're enjoying it and taste delicious, and I was like,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: this is it, this is the solution. I'll add too
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: as a final thought, is uh that's a national monument
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  Speaker 1: all right? Thanks for joining us. Two