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Literacy Advocacy with Dawn Miller & The Future of Charleston's Auditorium · The Dave Allen Show

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to do with the municipal Auditorium, it's been discussed and discussed and discussed.
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We're going to discuss it some more. Last week there was a report that
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came down to a special committee from Charleston City Council about the future of the
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Municipal Auditorium. And we're going to talk about that with Adam Grayson, who's
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from zmm Marchitects, who actually compiled that report, and the chief of staff
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for a Mayor Goodwin, Matt Sutton, will join us to talk about that.
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Plus you got some other things I want to get to in the news.
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I do want to say, hey, we all survived the eclipse,
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so so as far as I know, Don, I mean you good after
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the eclipse. It's great, all right, I loved it. It was
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fantastic. Don. That voice, of course, is Don Miller from Read
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Aloud, West Virginia, making the return appearance on the show. Don't welcome
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back to the show. Thank you, good morning, thank you, what
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for me You've been making the rounds this morning. Thank you were on with
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Stephen Jenny right on BB one hundred a little Well, glad you made time
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for us as well. Now, first of all, I want to talk
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about the Read Aloud West Virginia program. Tell me about this program. Sure,
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well, you'll probably remember Read Aloud as a homegrown West Virginia organization.
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We exist to motivate kids to read for fun, because when children read for
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their own pleasure, they can't help but get better at reading. And reading
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is foundational to every other skill. It opens doors throughout school and life,
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and a lot of the benefit, a lot of the way to get better
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at it is actually the fun part, which is reading with people who you
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love and talk about your journey. I'm presuming you were a lifelong reader or
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still are, right. I am a lifelong reader. I was read to
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as a child. I picked up reading relatively easily in school. I have
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read to and worked with a lot of kids over the years who didn't,
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for whom it did not come so easily. Then I went into writing and
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became a Reader Loud volunteer shortly after I moved to Charleston about thirty years ago,
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never dreaming I would still be with it or even on staff. It
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is the highlight of my week. I think it's something and every situation is
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different, don but I think it's something that definitely helps if you grow up
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around it. I come from. I mean, my mother was an avid
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reader. My father was an avid reader. Of course, he was a
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very devout Christian, so the Bible was his number one book, but also
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he was a avid reader of newspapers. And I've always said, you know,
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I don't think that you always said I'm not an expert here you are.
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I don't think you always have to read a great American novel or the
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great historical but those are good too. But I think as long as you're
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reading something that's substantial, I think you're probably helping yourself out. That's exactly
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right. There's research that shows kids who grew up reading comic books have a
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great big vocabulary. Vocabulary and background knowledge is the number one driver of reading
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comprehension. And so the thing that you enjoy reading is what is good for
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you. I want to talk about technology, and you know, technology seemingly
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parents put a device of some kind in their kid's hand from the time that
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they're commanded out of the womb. Practically, are kids reading as much as
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they used to That is an interesting question because kids are communicating by text and
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on social media, and there's a lot of reading and writing that's different from
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what maybe we remember when we were kids. But it's okay, right,
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okay, well, just right okay. But as far as reading books,
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reading magazines, there's value to reading those types of things, and that has
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dropped for some children. Amazingly, we see enthusiasm for books when we distribute
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books to kids. It's I sometimes worry that adults are making too great an
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assumption about what kids enjoy and what they want. Because when we distribute books
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to kids on subjects they love, I can describe some things to you that
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are surprising even to us, and we are accustomed having fun events with kids.
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Well, the last time that I had you on the show, and
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I'll tell on myself a little bit here, I was talking about the devices
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that we put in a kid's hand, seemingly when they're when they're born,
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and somebody texted the show as a parent and said, well, and it
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kind of took issue with what I said, and that's perfectly fine, but
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they said something to the effective, well, when you see that device in
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my kid's hand, my kid is reading they're not playing video games, they're
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not doing they're actually reading. That's that's how they read. And again,
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I guess this is something I didn't think about, right, there's something to
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that. And what we know about whether it's better to read on the screen
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or read on books, it's too soon to know for sure. There's some
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research that suggests, especially for small children, paper is better. But once
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you get to be a secure reader and you are accomplished, we don't really
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know whether it matters. Talk with Don Miller again from reading Loud West Virginia
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you. All right, let's talk about Rita Palooza. What is rida polouza?
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Rita Palooza is our one big annual public engagement and fundraising event. We've
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been doing it for more than fifteen years. It's a nice after work sort
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of happy hour. It's from five thirty to seven thirty on Thursday, April
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eighteen at the University of Charleston, and it's an opportunity for us to thank
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our sponsors. We're sponsored by in Cova this year, United Bank and Moses
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Auto Group and a number of other sponsors. It's an opportunity to thank our
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volunteers, the thousand some volunteers around the state who go into schools every week
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and make those local chapters run. It's an opportunity to share with a group
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of Reloud supporters what we've learned, what we're doing, where we're going.
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It's just a nice afterwork party for a couple hours on a Thursday evening.
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Doesn't interfere with the weekend. Okay, all right? And who is this
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open to anybody that just wants to come in. Like you said you volunteers
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and things. That's sure, anybody can come. We sell tickets because it
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is a fundraiser, So tickets are forty five dollars before the event and fifty
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dollars at the door. You can get those on our website, which is
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read Aloud wv dot org. You can give us a call three oh four,
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three four five five two one two if you have any questions. And
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it is it's just a nice event. People look forward to it. Who
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people see old friends, connect with new people, figure out, you find
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out other people in town who you know. I didn't know you were involved
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with Read Aloud. It's just a nice event. Talk about the need for
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volunteers for your organization. What kind of volunteer activities do you have? Oh,
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thank you. So, we're always looking for volunteers who want to go
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into a classroom each week and read to kids because it is so good for
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them. That drive will start up more aggressively in the fall. Obviously,
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when we start the new school year. We ask those volunteers to go to
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about a one hour orientation. You learn a lot about why we do what
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we do, and how to be a good classroom guest and that sort of
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thing. And then we also are looking for volunteers who like to do other
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things, who might want to help with book distributions. We have chapters around
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the state and they are always looking for people to help sort of set the
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priorities in those counties, arrange events. We give out twenty thousand books to
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kids around the state. We've been doing twenty thousand books a year since twenty
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twenty. Wow. That is a lot of volunteers lifting and moving, a
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lot of boxes, a lot of trunk full. They're all transported by cars
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and pickup trucks and so so. So when you talk about the need for
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volunteers, you're not necessarily just talking about people going into classrooms and reading.
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There there are other ways to volunteer. But there's some people that have job
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responsibilities and you know, a whatever it is seven thirty to three schedule may
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not work out for them, but there are other ways that they can get
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involved. Absolutely correct, good point. There are some people who love read
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aloud but are little bashful and don't want to read in front of a class.
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And we have volunteers who who are very dedicated and they do other things.
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So, yes, we need all sorts of and I have done I've
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not done it here, but I have done it in other areas. You
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know, when they had to read to me days in school and things of
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that nature, and you never know what you're going to get with the kids.
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And I think it's very important that they have a little bit, as
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you said, a little bit of training, a little bit of an orientation
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to what happens when you go into a classroom and a second grade class may
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not be the same as a third grade class as far as maturity goes,
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And what do you do when you have that kid that may be a little
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disinterested or you know, may be disrupted. That was me as a kid,
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by the way, I just don't want to asking stupid questions and I
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still am every day. Oh, those are the ones you find out interesting
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things. So there is an orientation involved, That's what I'm saying. They'll
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teach you the best way to do it. Give us the details on readA
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Paloza again and give us where people can learn more. Okay, So it's
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Thursday, April eighteen at the University of Charleston. It's from five thirty to
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seven thirty pm. You can learn more at our website read aloud wv dot
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org. Tickets are forty five dollars ahead of time, fifty dollars at the
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door. Oh, I forgot to mention the wine pool, which is a
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lot of fun. A couple of years ago, a volunteer had this idea.
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You got a bunch of people to volunteer to donate bottles of wine worth
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twenty dollars or more, and so there'll be about fifty bottles of wine all
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worth that and you buy a twenty dollars, chance you pull a bottle of
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wine. Worst thing that happens is you take home a twenty dollars bottle of
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wine, but you might get the fifty dollars or the seventy five dollars.
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When you said wine pool my name wanted, my mind went a totally different
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place. Well, not actually getting in the wine pool. Well that's what
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we said. When she first said it, she said, are you are
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you saying pull or puoll? But it is a lot of fun, it
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sounds like it, and it supports our programs throughout the year. All right,
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don I appreciate you being here. It's a fantastic program. I read
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a loud West Virginia and to read a palooza, which will be the eighteenth
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that's right at the University of Charleston. Hats off to those folks, doctor
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Roth and the people at the University of Charleston for doing a fantastic job up
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there. They got a great university that's always doing things in the community like
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this, and so I'll give a big shout out to Marty Roth and the
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folks up there at the University of Charleston as well well. Said Don Miller
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We welcome into the show Adam Crastin from ZMM Architects and the chief of
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staff for Mayor Ammy Schuler. Good one, Matt Sutton. Matt's good morning.
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How are you. I'm doing good, David, how are you doing?
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I'm doing fine. You didn't get the memo I was noticing in the
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green room. Adam and I have the same shoes on, the same middle
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age sketchers off the same sketch. You don't have the sketchers on, Adam.
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As you know, I didn't get much to sleep over the weekend with
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WrestleMania, so I'm just coming back into everything, so I would I probably
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missed an email h while we were while I was watching wrestling over the weekend.
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So I'll get it right next time. Matt does have on some Hey
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dues. That's one other is all right. Ye see, I'm not cool
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enough for Hey dudes yet, I'm so so rocking sketch Adams with his WebM
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crazy and email market texts, good morning, good morning. All right you
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buddy, promise I didn't bring in here just talk about shoes. I promise
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I didn't. All right, So I want to talk about the Municipal Auditorium.
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And before we get into the specifics and what we're going to do with
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it, I've already got questions lined up here. People who texted in give
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us the history either one of you or both of the municipal Auditorium. I'll
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let Adam handle that. Oh man, this is an easy one. We
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started the assessment. One of the people that reached out to me was doctor
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Billy Joe Payton, and he provided me with the National Register of Historic Places
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nomination for him. And I'll tell you most of those are kind of dry,
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but this one is just a really interesting read and it gives you a
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lot about the history, including some of the challenges that the municipals faced since
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it was completed, but it was a public works project, public Corks administration
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project completed around nineteen thirty nine. Not cited where they originally planned to the
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originally look to the Worly Track and settled on this site, which was a
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non descript site that had some drainage issues and such. Let me throw this
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in here about the New about the New Deal, because I saw online somebody
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referred to it as the New Deal Auditorium. Yeah, somebody actually referred to
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it. Is that online? Yeah, that's it's true. I mean,
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that is the case. It was funded, It was planned before the New
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Deal. They submitted it for funding twice and it got funded the second time
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through. There was also a bond issue passed by the citizens of Charleston at
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the time. And then it was designed by a project architect, Alfonso Wi
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Song, who was a state legislator who actually helped found the Board of Architects
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for the state. It was okay. So although people note the distinctive Art
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Deco facade, it's really he referred to it as conservative modern and once you
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look past that facade, it is it's a very nondescript building. You and
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I were talking about that before we went on the air, and there's been
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comparisons made to the keith Albey Theater in Huneingson, a building that I'm very
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familiar with. But you said was were discussing this before the show, that
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the descriptions between or the comparisons if you will, between the keith Alby Theater,
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which is a beautiful building in downtown Huntington, and the Municipal Auditorium,
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they pretty much ended the door. Is that what you're saying, Yeah,
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yeah, it's thanks for bringing that up. So I spoke to several people
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about this. We're actually assisting the keith Alby now with some renovation work and
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there's a significant difference. So the architect that designed the keith Alby his name
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was Thomas Lamb, and he designed hundreds of theaters all over the country and
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the one that's left is the only atmospheric theater that he designed. He designed
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eight of those, it's the only one that's left. So it is really
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more like a national landmark, whereas when they nominated the municipal to be on
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the Historic Register, it's a locally historic landmark. So there is a big
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difference, and I think when you look at the municipal auditorium. That's just
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one piece of what you need to consider when you have the discussion about is
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it worth salvaging? Right, you need to look at the life safety,
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you need to look at accessibility, you need to look at all of those
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issues to determ and ultimately operationally, what are people expecting when they attend the
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theater? Now, what are performers expecting when they both venues? And all
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of those need to work into the ultimate decision about what happens to the municipal
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One of the texts that we had prior to the show was is the municipaudatory
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a registered historic landmarket and if so? If so, how does that factor
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into the demolition and rebuild? If we get to that, we're going to
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get into that a little bit later on, but how would that factor in?
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So? Certainly it depends on the funds that would be used for the
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project. If local funds are used, it has minimal effect. The City
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of Charleston has a Historic Landmarks Commission. I actually sit on the Historic Landmarks
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Commission, and we do have a ninety day delay demolition organance locally, But
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if local funds are used, there's really no impact if state or federal funds
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are used, there's more impact and consultation, but it wouldn't prevent the demolition
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of the facility if that's the decision that is made. Ultimately, Matt Sutton
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is here. Who's the chief of the staff for the Good Administration. So
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Matt. Last Thursday, committee meeting was held to review the assessment from ZMM
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about the municipal auditorium and Adam and this company presented to that committee this engineering
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report followed by two options for the future. So where is the city on
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all this? Are you just kind of like taking a wait and see attitude
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on this, because basically what happened was there were two I mean there were
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two figures. I'll go ahead and get into that. The building could be
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fully renovated for an estimated twenty five point four million, or a new one
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could be built for twenty five point two million. Those are those are the
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two figures. Jeff Jared Lewis has got a very good in depth story posted
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about it at wv metronews dot com. Where's the city on all this?
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Well, no, we can't take away and see attitude because the building's too
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important to us. It's too much of a revenue generator. I mean prior
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to you know, the mayor proposing to city Council to hire the Oakview Group
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OVG three sixty to manage the coliseum, conventioner and ammunispots for him. We're
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doing just a handful of shows a year for a little bit of money.
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Out We were doing over you know, thirty five shows, forty shows,
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and then we're making more than two million dollars in just ticket revenue. That
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doesn't count you know, food and beverage revenue, which is the driver most
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of those facilities. So we can't sit around and wait. The other reason
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we can't sit around and wait is because these buildings are being built all across
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the country. You're seeing new one pop up in a city every every other
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day because everybody's trying to get into this world of this three thousand to five
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thousand seat venue that you have to have in order participate in the in the
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in this space and be able to attract the most top, top tier talent.
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So what we're doing is we're working with Adam and we're working with the
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not only the committee members, but council members and members of the board to
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gather and provide as much information as possible. So I think the next meeting
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you see will be really a question and answer session between the committee members and
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Adam and the leadership over at the at the Colosseumic Convention Center, because they
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are the governing body of this. I mean is that So yes, the
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Colossemicventionenter has a board of directors in and of itself and manages the operations of
22:56
both buildings. So there's a little bit of you know, doing role here
23:00
between City Council, and obviously city Council is the final purse strings for the
23:03
city, so anything that's done will have to include we'll end with City Council,
23:07
but the Coleseum Convention Center board is there, but we'll put people in
23:10
a room that can answer questions about Adam's report, zmm's report, and then
23:14
also about the functionality of the building and how it's been used in the past,
23:18
how it's being used before it was shut down, and then ultimately what
23:21
we need in the city in when the City of Charleston, when you look
23:23
around, you know, we have the Culture Center, which can do about
23:27
you know, five hundred people. We have the Clay Center, which can
23:30
do about eighteen hundred. We have the theater over at the Coliseum, which
23:33
can do about eight or nine hundred. We have the Colisseum, which can
23:34
get anywhere from five to ten thousand people. What we don't have currently is
23:38
that three to five thousand venue, which is one of the hottest attractions that
23:41
we can have. So right now it's about information gathering and being able to
23:45
get everybody the information they need to make a decision on this here really in
23:51
the near future, because we can't be dormant that long. And I will
23:55
say this, there is something to be said and you nailed it as somebody
23:57
who knows a little bit about the entertainment industry, is something to be said
24:00
for that sweet spot on that particular venue. And I know we had some
24:04
shows that were that were scheduled and that had to be postponed. I think
24:07
was the Kevin Kevin Hart was one of them. And when that was first
24:11
announced, there was some chatter on social media, people said, well,
24:15
why is he not playing why is he not playing the big house so to
24:18
speak, Well, I mean Kevin Hart's people ask for that specific size building.
24:22
There's a lot of comedians, there's a lot of those sorts of acts
24:25
guys that don't want these the bigger venues, they want the smaller, more
24:30
intimate, many venues. Yeah, I mean, especially with the comedy shows.
24:33
I mean, I saw Dave Chappelle at the Pro Football Hall of Fame
24:36
in camp in the stadium. It was great because he's Dave Chappelle, but
24:38
it was not very good because there was ten fifteen thousand people there versus the
24:42
three thousand people that were in the Minispat tour. And when I saw him
24:45
there. You know, we also have acts who will say to you know,
24:48
touring X that will say, you know, when we were looking at
24:51
the municipal and one in particular, we said, oh, well, we're
24:53
not gonna be able to use the municipal, but we can move the other
24:56
costs say, and they said, no, no, no, we're Our
24:56
goal is to sell at every show that we want to do this. That
25:00
dad was the tour manager and they couldn't do that at the Colisseum, so
25:02
they did not want to do this. So there is that sweet spot that
25:04
we're talking about. And one thing about it is it's also about how we
25:10
take care and how we showcase our city to people in our town. I
25:12
mean I can remember. You know, even when you talk about the Kevin
25:15
Hart, people like, why is he not in the Colosseum? Why are
25:17
we putting him in an old building that can't function, doesn't have any green
25:21
room space. It's almost an embarrassment to our city. There's something to be
25:22
said for that, mainly because we want these acts to come back, and
25:26
we want their friends to come back. I mean, so this is a
25:29
small community in the common. Whether it's the comedy or the or the you
25:33
know, the music world, it's small. People think it's big, it's
25:34
small. These folks talk to me, right, And that's exactly that's the
25:37
point I was going to make. The number one source of advertising is still
25:42
word of mouth. And what happens is is if not I don't know that
25:45
Kevin Hart's having any discussion, but I can guarantee that Kevin Heart's people and
25:49
these management companies, there's only you know, five to ten out there that
25:53
are booking everything. Five to ten, you know, of the of the
25:56
top tier ones. And that's what they do. They pick up the phone,
26:00
they send an email, they send a text to so and so and
26:03
they say, okay, I'll get a chance to for my musical act and
26:06
my comedy act to play at this venue. What kind of venue was it?
26:08
I mean? And they asked the questions about It's not just about the
26:11
stage. They ask about how are the dressing rooms, how was the proximity
26:15
to the airport, you know, things like that. Yeah, I wanted
26:18
to clarify one thing. The two options are not a renovation and new construction.
26:22
It's a renovation in an addition because a lot of the space is in
26:26
the existing building that aren't accessible, the concessions, the large toilet facilities,
26:30
it's short sixteen toilet facilities for women, right, so you can't accommodate that
26:34
within the existing shell. We looked at a reconfiguration study and it would take
26:37
so much space away from the auditorium that it would leave it as a non
26:41
functional venue. So all those spaces that are currently in the basement and that
26:45
building sits in the floodplane. The stage is actually two and a half people
26:48
below the floodplanes. When we looked at the electrical issue, we had to
26:52
move that at new electric walll service up above the floodplane, so all of
26:56
those spaces would be provided in an addition outside of the floodplane. So it
27:00
would be a renovation and a significant edition. And some people have said,
27:03
well, that doesn't leave a fair comparison, because you're talking about a fifty
27:04
thousand square foot new theater and now you'd have seventy thousand square feet saying this
27:08
new building. But it's because the basement is basically non usable space, and
27:12
that basement right now is where the electrical services where there were some significant life
27:18
safety issues, many other issues we discovered, and certainly they lead to the
27:22
lack of accessibility because so many important functions are provided in that basement space.
27:26
All Right, we knock, got a couple of texts he because I knew,
27:27
as I said, we had questions kind of waiting on you guys Texas
27:30
dave question for both the Madro's office and the engineering firm and not questioning the
27:34
integrity of their estimates on municipal auditorium. But isn't the rule of thumb to
27:38
get multiple estimates on any big project, maybe get another quote or two before
27:42
making irreversible decisions on the facility. Well that's a great point. First of
27:47
all, we did get an independent estimate on this. We didn't do the
27:51
estimate. We utilized an estimator named Windstraw, and before certainly any project would
27:55
go forward, there would be multiple estimates. But we put together a team
27:57
for this assessment. We use WDP and associates to investigate the X to your
28:02
envelope of the building. Carol Stevens handled the structural assessment, Windstraw handled the
28:06
estimating. So this was a real team effort to develop these proposed solutions.
28:11
And I think, and Adam said it, this is not this is an
28:12
estimate, This is not a bid. And so I think anytime to the
28:15
to the Texter's point, you know, whatever decision is in the future,
28:19
we obviously would have to be would have to be bid, and we'd have
28:22
to figure out the process to go through it. This is just to give
28:25
us an idea of what what would exist. But you know, I think
28:29
two enough people in this community, in this state of work was ZMM to
28:32
know that their numbers are pretty close. I mean they end up being pretty
28:33
close. Now, the market shifts and stuff goes, you know, the
28:37
price of wood goes to the roof for the price of concrete, that stuff
28:38
changes. But at the same time, I mean, I think it's this
28:41
is just to give us a start of just any idea of what it would
28:45
look like. And Adam you mentioned the lack of this simply doesn't have enough
28:49
bathroom space. You mentioned about being below the floodplain, the stage actually being
28:53
below the flood played. What are some of the other issues. Yeah,
28:56
the biggest issue when we started, we did an initial walk through. WDP
29:00
was with us and the first thing we observed was that some of the brick
29:03
is actually falling off the building right. It's in a condition that it presented
29:07
a safety hazard. The city addressed it immediately and blocked off an area where
29:11
we feared there might be that damage. But a lot of the brick on
29:15
the building is going to have to be replaced if it's salvage, and a
29:18
lot of it would have to be repointed. The second thing we noticed was
29:21
the electrical service. When our electrical enginment through to do is an inspection,
29:23
the electrical service is actually sitting in a puddle of water, and that's when
29:26
he observed at the bottom of it. And I'm no electrician, but sitting
29:32
in a puddle of water doesn't sound like it's an optimal thing. Yeah,
29:34
we had to get AP to shut down service to the buildings, we could
29:37
open the service and observe it. M Andel Electric was very helpful. B
29:41
Bill Carlton came out and helped us develop a solution to this problem. But
29:45
just replacing the electrical service, which AP would require to restore power to that
29:49
building would be three quarters of million dollars. We'd have to create a new
29:52
electrical room two and a half feet or four and a half feet above the
29:56
stage height to get it above the float zone, provide a new electrical service,
30:00
and really that's just the beginning, right. There's no adequate electrical service.
30:03
There's no adequate fire alarm service. They turn it off during performances.
30:07
The city had a fire watch every time there was a large performance there.
30:11
The mechanical equipment is needs an entire replacement. The roof drainage is inadequate.
30:18
There's it actually creates a structural concern because there's no emergency overflow drains on the
30:22
roof that could be a hazard to the public. The fire curtain is failing.
30:26
There's no automatic fire suppression system, which you wouldn't have in the Sorry,
30:30
you wouldn't have in the main your book's a little too ahead. You
30:36
wouldn't have it in the place where the auditorium itself, you would have it
30:40
in the remainder of the building, in the area where they would have a
30:44
space for the entertainers, which was in the basement. It's next to the
30:48
seven gas fired air handling units, and there's no carbon monoxide detection. There's
30:53
no adequate egress out of that space. There's no adequate egress out of the
30:56
space as it led to the dressing rooms. I mean, it was really
31:00
a safety concern and all of those issues, it's just becomes so much that
31:03
they would all need to be addressed. It need to be a full renovation
31:07
if the space is going to be reutilized. But Dave Alance showing five any
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texts. Text says it would be a shame if the municipaudatorium was torn down
31:21
and a glass box venue indistinguishable from any other glass box venue was constructed.
31:26
Well, I mean, I think that's part of everything that we're looking at
31:29
right now, is you know, we have two options in front of us.
31:30
But you know, it's it's a matter of looking at it to see
31:33
what works best with the city. I think too. The other thing to
31:37
keep in mind is take a look at what's being built around it and what
31:40
the aesthetics are going to be. We have the new TC Energy site that's
31:42
coming on the old Caski site that is going to be very you know,
31:48
I'm not an architect, so modern maybe maybe the word I use, but
31:51
it's going to look and jump in there. Modern, yeah, but it's
31:52
going to have you know, the window look at much similar to what the
31:55
Colisseum does. When you look at what's being built in the Judicial annex that's
31:59
just going to be across the street, very similar. Look when you look
32:00
the initial designs of the sports center going over where the masis is very similar.
32:05
Look. So we have to we also have to think about what the
32:07
esthetics of downtown is going to be for the next thirty or forty years and
32:10
look to make sure that that fits in as well. So I think that's
32:13
an important thing to look at. I think none of us want we agree
32:15
we're not just going to put up a big box and then have it sit
32:19
in the middle of our middle of our city, but it also has to
32:21
fit into what is going to be around us with the mount of development over
32:23
the next couple of years. Keeping in mind about what all the aesthetics are
32:27
going to look like in Charleston, especially in that basically that's a three block
32:30
area, it's going to look very would it would all look very similar at
32:34
that one. Yeah, anything that's designed, any new building, you have
32:37
to consider contact. So when we design the improvements to the Coliseum and convention
32:39
Center, we wanted it to be authentic to the story of West Virginia.
32:44
And you know, we developed it with those glass boxes that are connected by
32:46
the mental panels that have the angles and the varying colors to reflect this split
32:51
rock faces that you encounter as you drive through West Virginia, right. It
32:53
is to reflect what this city is in the history of the city. I
32:57
think any building, if it is replaced, would you would do the same
33:00
thing. That's a better answer than I Yeah, well that's why he's an
33:04
architecture tech says, the finances seem similar to renovate or to rebuild. What's
33:08
the timeline to renovate versus rebuild. Yeah, that's a great question. And
33:12
I know it's not I'll lean to add them to that. I'm not sure
33:14
that I know the answer that one. Yeah, so it is a great
33:17
question. And you know, obviously there's a lot more investigation that has to
33:22
occur. If it's renovated, You're going to do a lot of additional investigation
33:25
just to move forward with the plan. So the planning process would be longer.
33:29
I think the actual construction process would would likely be similar. It'll take
33:31
a little longer, I think to do the renovation. I don't think that's
33:37
what drives the decision though. I think all of those issues that I mentioned
33:39
before you can fix. But what do you have in the end. You
33:44
have a theater that since its inception has had challenges. There are seats in
33:46
that theater that they can only use when they have a comedy act. When
33:50
you have one perform at the front of the stage, because you can't see
33:52
the entire stage from the seats, you don't have good access. Even if
33:55
we build an addition, not going to ask us access to the concession areas
33:59
of change grooms, these sort of things. So I think you need to
34:01
look at it in the big picture. How do you address accessibility issue.
34:05
If you're going to do that and really provide distributed accessibility throughout that theater,
34:08
how do you address the life safety issues? But ultimately how do you address
34:12
it operationally? And what's going to make sense going forward in terms of what
34:15
sort of theater does the city needed to generate revenue and continue to be a
34:20
great venue for the performers and the citizens. Right, Yeah, you know,
34:23
I think that's it. That's that's that's going to be the quintessential question
34:27
in all of this is what do we actually want the venue to be and
34:30
how do we want it to perform? You know, when we when the
34:32
when OVG and the team Over's Coliseum Convention Center were able to move Godsmack over
34:37
into the Grand Hall and set up a new venue because the minsipal was not
34:38
available. The way they set up the concessions, the per cap on that
34:43
day was twice as much as it ever was over to Minisuaudatorium for any event,
34:45
just simply because of the location of where people could get their food and
34:49
beverage and so they were they were in under spending more money, which is
34:52
exactly what we want. So how you locate that? Do we have the
34:55
ability to create an into or outdoor venue that would be able to do something
34:58
similar to what the Brading's Sinnati did. All those have to be taken into
35:01
consideration. The functionality and the operations of the building are as important as the
35:07
aesthetics because this is a revenue generating facility. It is and it has to
35:10
be, and we'll be moving forward, so we have to maximize that.
35:14
I mean, it's not all about, you know, just having something to
35:17
you know that we can bring in national performers. But the other part about
35:21
it is this is also and Adam can speak to this, and so can
35:22
most everybody in this town. This is where people's kids perform their dance recitals,
35:27
this is where graduations occurred, and this is where a local art community
35:30
is able to have events. We want the best for that as well.
35:34
It's not just about concerts and comedy, which is where my mind automatically good.
35:37
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the Municipal Auditorium. Matt Sutton is here, who is the chief of staff
39:27
for mary Man Goodwin and Adam Crayson from ZMM Marketechts tex says, where's the
39:30
city treasurer on the financial issues facing the municipal auditorium in the city. I'm
39:36
of those city treasurer this, you know, kind of balances the books.
39:38
He doesn't handle the daily operations of the of the city of finances. That's
39:43
the finance Director Andy Wood and the Mayor's office in the city council ultimately,
39:45
so I don't think the treasurer has a role in this. Tech says,
39:50
any chance you can keep the facade and build new It's a great question.
39:53
It's something you know a few of the local historical experts that I've talked to
39:58
have said that really the only historic goal, architecturally historically significant portion of the
40:02
building is a facade. So could it be salvage and replace the remainder of
40:07
the theater? I think that's an option that needs to be considered. It
40:08
would certainly add costs because the demolition becomes more expensive as you try to salvage
40:13
out and incorporate it. But certainly an option to consider Texas downtown sounds like
40:17
it's going to be a glass box building city. Sad. I think a
40:22
variety of architectural styles gives a city more character, that's true, and I
40:25
think we have a variety of architectural styles downtown. Even if you add more
40:30
glass glass window buildings. I don't know what a glass building is, but
40:34
if you add more of those. But we still have our courthouse, we
40:36
still have the county courthouse. I mean, we've got a lot of old,
40:40
very historic, you know, and the residents is like when you get
40:44
on the east in some of the area, we still have that. But
40:46
I think that, you know, you can have a good mix. But
40:50
just keeping something to keep for keeping it purposes doesn't make much sense. It's
40:54
got to be it's got to be able to utilize it. And what we
40:58
have right now cannot be utilized is what you're saying. It no way correct.
41:00
So a few things there. One, it's not going to be a
41:02
glass box, right, I mean, theaters don't have windows, so I
41:06
mean there may be some glass on the building, but it could be any
41:07
architectural style that seems appropriate as the project moves forward. So that's open.
41:13
But no, it can't utilize in the shape it's in a people will not
41:15
reconnect power to the building right now. It's in that bat of shape,
41:20
and the renovations are so significant. There's requirements in both the state fire Code
41:23
and the building code that once you reach a certain level of renovation that you
41:28
have to fully renovate a space, and we think this would certainly trigger those
41:30
requirements, and then you get into requirements related to accessibility, and right now
41:35
it's one issue that doesn't seem to come up much when you know there's a
41:38
discussion about the building, but that building is not accessible. There's two accessible
41:43
bathrooms on the main level for thirty five hundred people. All the concessions,
41:47
the significant bathrooms are in the basement that people a lot of people with accessibility
41:52
issues don't have access to. There is no accessible seating. Now they say
41:55
that some is provided, but the reality is that as soon as you cross
41:58
the threshold into the auditoiorum, the aisle start to slope down, and the
42:01
accessible seating that's provided is on a cross slope in the back of the auditorium,
42:07
So you would have to navigate a wheelchair down a slope and then out
42:09
a slope simultaneously just to reach what's called accessible seating. It's not accessible.
42:15
It's too steeply raked sloped for somebody to adequately get a wheelchair down to the
42:20
front row if you provided some seating there, that's a real challenge that if
42:23
it is a renovation edition or if it is a new construction that needs to
42:27
be addressed to give people better access. And what I'm kind of gathering here,
42:30
and I don't want to put words into textures fingers for lack of a
42:36
better return, but I think what I'm kind of I don't think anybody is
42:39
against having a newer facility. Obviously it's needed for Charleston. Charleston is truly
42:45
becoming an entertainment mecca with all these different concerts that we're bringing in, not
42:49
just concerts but the other activities. But I think there is a certain probably
42:53
pause from certain people that just that they don't want to see the old munist
42:59
potatory, or at least what is in their head. And I'm one of
43:02
these people that had no idea of it. All of the I go to
43:05
shows in municipalatoria, but I had no idea of what all these issues were
43:07
taking place. They simply they don't want to see it completely go away as
43:13
it is, and they want it to be able. They want to drive
43:15
down and they want to be able to look at that building, the facade
43:16
and everything, but sometimes it's just not possible. I think there's ways that
43:21
you can document and capture that history, regardless of whether you salvage it,
43:25
whether you save the facade, or whether it's a total rebuild. You know,
43:30
I think a lot of the memories that are attached to it are memories
43:32
of performances, of being there for graduations or being at your children's dance recitles,
43:37
which I've been to many of those, so, you know, I
43:39
think we all attach those memories to it. But I think a new facility
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is going to allow people to continue to make those memories, and we're going
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to capture the history if this ends up being in a facility. But I
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also want to point out that a large part of the history of this building
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from nearly ten years after it was completed, were challenges with this building.
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When you read through that National Register forumquestions about the mechanical system, talk about
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these questions weren't from five years These weren't from five years ago. To performers
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having to wear coats for performances. In what years we talked about, we're
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talking they had a group put together in the sixties that was looking at this.
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Henry Elden, who was a local architect, a noted local architect,
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actually tried to get the city to sell the facility to the Shriners to use
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as a temple. It was referred to as an ugly duckling a white elephant.
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They had to commit substantial renovation funds. The acoustics have been a challenge
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in that facility, and there's a lot of question about whether those issues have
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been addressed. So and then when the Clay Center was built, there was
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a whole series done in the gazette about the need for this. So part
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of the history of this of the municipal, interestingly enough, is the exact
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conversation we're having now, what should it be, what's needed? Where do
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we go from here? Okay. The other thing too that Adam brings up
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to think about, for folks to think about, is, you know,
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is it possible to keep sort of the outer the outer shell of the building.
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I mean, we're going to look at that and maybe, but no,
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the inside is going to be completely different if we renovated of anything that
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people remember when they went to see the dance shows. Because we can't make
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it functional otherwise. So it is a sense of that we are going to
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create a whole new auditorium regardless of whether or not the outside looks similar or
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not. And then the addition is going to be attitude as well. So
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something new is going to be added to the other. Yeah, so we're
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going to have some new to it. But I think Adams says it right
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like, we've got to create something that's going to last in the future.
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We've got to create something that's going to bring people in. And we have
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the ability, regardless of what the outcome is, to honor the history of
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that building. We have the doors that we could keep and reuse. We
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have the stage that we could repurpose, we have the stuff from inside.
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We've got some seats that don't have springs sticking out of them that might be
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able to be reused. There are ability to be able to honor the past
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while while moving into the future as well. All right, guys, we
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got to leave it here. Give me about thirty seconds about where we are
45:52
right now. Thirty to forty five seconds what happens next. So right now
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I think that we're in the information gathering stage. What's happened next is over
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the next couple of weeks, the Select Committee will meet again to be able
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to ask their questions about ZMM and then OVG as well who is the operator
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manager of the facility, as well as any financial information they want from the
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Colisseumic Convention Center Board. So the idea next would be to go in and
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talk more about the functionality of the building, the use of the building,
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and what we could need the building to be in the future before the committee
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looks to make a recommendation and have meetings with both the Coliseum even Center board
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and city Council about what we need to do next. Remembering that we need
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to move because this is a very big revenue generator for the facisit city one
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way or the other? We got to make a decision and how much input
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would the city happen? I remember with the public have I mean, could
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we have public meetings? Could we do? Yeah? I think that once
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we get into that process about what we're going to look for moving forward,
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there's going to be public input. And also you remember anything that happens with
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this, anything and everything that happens when the Missipal Auditorium is going to go
46:49
through city council. So you've got ability to talk to your city council members.
46:52
You've got ability to talk to the Mayor's office. Anything that's going to
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happen is going to happen in city council, so you also have the ability
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to get to your council members. Adam, let you wrap it up.
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Yeah, thank you. You know, our role in this is to provide
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the information to make a good decision here. So we're going to respond to
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the questions that come. We're going to help guide the decision makers with information
47:09
to make sure that ultimately what's what they move forward with isn't the best interest
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of the citizens of the City of Charleston. So we appreciate the opportunity to
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assist with this and look forward to continuing the conversation. All right, Adam
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Crazy and ZM and Margitects, Matt Sutton, chief of staff for the Mayor.
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good morning Dave. Please remind your listeners that the Dunbar Women's Club and the
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at the Dunbar Rec Center Dunbar has obviously been in the need lately for many
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needs help, says a Text. Texas says, those guys sound like used
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why did it take so long from Ayor Goodwin and her administration to learn
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as he said, since at least once since the building was built, so
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it's been's been going on for some time. Textays, nice of you to
51:47
have this discussion today, but listening to your guests, one can infer the
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decision has already made to tear down and build new. You can't fight city
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Hall, says a texture. Texas says, the building sounds like it needs
51:59
rebuilt. I just hope it's not a glass box construction that can be found
52:01
everywhere else. Talk about performers wanting a unique venue, what's unique about building?
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About abilding that's architecturally similar to something in Columbus or Cincinnati. This is
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chief the staff of the Mayor, and Adam Crayson of course from CMA
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Architects, and also Don Milli from read Loud West Virginia. Coming up on
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And Greg Ingram, candidate for house, coming up on the show tomorrow as
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well. My producer was he trained Anthony Harmon. Thank you so much,
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