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EDP56: Bath, NYC & Malaga Half Marathons / Barcelona Marathon / Indoor World Team Selections · Easy Double podcast

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  from the track to the rodeo we talk that talk splits on the
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  watch, but we still take the Mick Dean in Perth with the long
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  run legs go and bring the fire when the session gets thick.
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  Ryan in the mix with the numbers and plans from everything, the
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  medals, Yeah, we break it all down hard graft Monday left
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  about a Sunday still. Hello and welcome back to the
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  Easy Double Podcast. Shit, what episode are we?
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  Just a good start. Episode 56.
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  I don't know. I'm joined on the eve.
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  Of Saint Patrick's Day by. Our Irish man himself.
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  How you doing, Owen Smith? Good.
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  As far as like public holidays go, this is up there with my
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  least favorites. Yeah, everywhere at the main
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  cities are just full of like tourists dressing green.
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  Yeah, that's why I'm working tomorrow.
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  I'd rather like get the day in a bit am holiday from it.
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  So I'm no, no, it's good. And we're on episode 56 as well.
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  There we go. I'll also welcome Dean Menzies
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  because I reckon he's got a question or two about Saint
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  Patrick's Day in Ireland. How you doing, Dean?
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  Good mate. Yeah I am surprised you didn't.
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  You're not a big fan given you love to split the G of a
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  Guinness. I thought so.
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  It tastes like shit. Do it.
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  Do Irish people get rattled by how attached and involved
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  English people get with pad these day and just use it as an
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  excuse to drink and stuff? It's massive in all the UNI's
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  isn't it? Yeah, I don't think that.
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  I don't think Irish people care, to be honest.
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  Like, I wouldn't mind. I think Saint Patrick is Welsh.
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  I don't even think he is Irish. So.
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  Yeah, I. Don't know.
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  So there'll be there'll be plenty else.
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  Will people be going on tonight as well or just drinking
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  tomorrow? I'm not really sure to be.
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  I haven't been out drinking. I don't know how long.
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  I'd say it would be tonight because then you've got the day
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  off work tomorrow to recover. And what, what will you do with
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  that double take? Yeah, exactly.
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  No, I actually have to hold myself back this week.
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  I don't want to increase the load too much.
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  So I'll do some sort of session in the morning and then I might
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  hop on the stationary bike in the evening.
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  Get on the block, get on the locker.
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  Like the like. Yeah.
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  Cup. Yeah, I see.
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  To see that copying used to. Maybe he's only human.
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  We could take you nothing or two TTT within next.
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  Week. What would the more mature Irish
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  market? How would they celebrate Paddy's
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  Day? Like middle-aged people, older
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  people who aren't like, just going on the lash.
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  I don't know, like people like if you have kids, you might
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  bring them like a parade. Like I think you avoid Dublin at
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  all costs because Dublin just comes to a standstill with that
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  big parade. And be honest, praise are so
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  shit, just like firemen and fucking police walking up and in
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  the street. Then you've got the like a band
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  playing shit music. Some shit floats.
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  Yeah, it's it's very over it use.
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  You do understand his main? Just scrubbing that off the
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  bucket list. Dublin to Saint Patrick's Day.
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  Yeah, give that one a wild best. I think you're better off going
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  to like America where like they die some river green or
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  something. I think that'll be killer.
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  That's in Boston. I think isn't it they do that
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  thing. Or Chicago, one of them.
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  Yeah, Americans Lover. Anyway, we've got a big episode.
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  It's the episode of the half marathons, by the looks of
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  things. We had Bath half Marathon, New
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  York City Half Marathon, Malaga half marathon and then Barcelona
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  marathon to cover, as well as some results from Adelaide.
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  Few news items including Kipchogi announcing a very
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  special location for a marathon later this year.
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  Bit of drama going on in the NCAA's this weekend and the
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  World Indoors teams were announced which hasn't come
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  without controversy. We'll have our training weeks,
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  YouTube Diaries and Double Trouble as normal.
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  So we released episode 2 of London Colon last week.
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  I don't know, have you fellas got round to listen to it?
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  How did you find it? I have, yeah, very easily.
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  Easy Listening had me smiling or laughing quite a bit, which was
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  good. Jake Smith was very transparent
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  about his plans and stuff for the race this weekend.
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  Was he like, it was cool and fair play to him to 1, come on
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  the podcast and say what he's going to do And then two, with
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  what he was saying in terms of like from running and taking it
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  on, then going and doing that as well.
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  Yeah, you could. I mean, was it?
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  It's such a shame. Could you?
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  I wouldn't listen to the live stream.
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  Like I tried connecting to the audio stream and it was a pain
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  in the ass. So did you get coverage of it?
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  I think I was on some like local radio station because I
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  commented on some post and then yeah, the Bath FM or whatever
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  and replied. But I didn't even try like to
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  honestly listen to it. I'd rather just watch it.
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  So I tried to just get to the stream and then you have to do
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  like this phrase. 7th day trial, put in all your details and you
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  avoid. Yeah, it's for sure.
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  But from the Instagram clips, I could say on Jack's story, it
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  looked like he was put Yeah, putting it to him early.
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  Wasn't he doing a lot of the lading?
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  But like, if you were, if you were him, how else would you
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  have tried to like, win that race?
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  I feel like that's the only way he wins it, where he goes out
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  hard and just trying to burn them because all them boys are
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  so fast. I think I might have seen him
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  years ago in a group and then at at about 40 minutes, just
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  absolutely put the hammer down. You know, that part and a half
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  where you sort of like as the first ten KS, you often might
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  feel all right. And then at some point it just
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  starts to get really hard. So I mean, I I think, yeah,
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  exactly. Like fair play to him.
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  Like it's the best strategy is to run hard.
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  Maybe the only other thing is you wait until you know that
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  point where you start, everyone starts to question themselves
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  and you go fuck it and just go full sand and hope you hit him.
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  I don't even think 10 boys, like would be questioning themselves.
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  The boys can run like 61. No, no.
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  And and the problem is the later you leave it and and therefore,
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  if the pace is off, the more you, you, you likely play into
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  their hands anyway. Like it's yeah, it's it's a
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  pretty tough task. He don't know he could.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, which was cool, right.
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  Like what it how? How much better than just doing
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  the easy thing of sitting in and losing in a Sprint.
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  But yeah, anyway. It's it's class being able to
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  speak to them all in the in the build up to London Marathon.
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  But then the fact that they're all racing as part of this build
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  as well makes it like even more exciting with Tim runners PB and
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  then now Jake's going back to Berlin a couple of weeks to race
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  another half marathon. So it's, yeah, value for money,
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  even though there's no money involved.
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  And as you sort of foreshadowing in the commentary of them and
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  their predictions, like every, you know, they won't know
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  necessarily exactly what they want to do until a bit closer to
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  but this threshold shape that they're in this half marathon
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  shape. They're pretty similar, right,
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  like in terms of Tim and and Jake Smith's, which is which is
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  exciting just as a head to head like for us to to follow and
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  then Jack around to Japan is it was likely going to be
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  aerobically that, you know, going to do more mileage than
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  anyone. So can he's can he close the gap
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  in in that regard? It's pretty cool.
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  And as per his response to the question of how do you determine
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  race pace, what he says, what's he say?
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  Like you basically you forget about it and just get attached
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  to whatever number you want. He's going to put himself in
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  their conversation anyway. Is he?
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  Yeah, exactly. So good.
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  His race, his race pace is 2/09/30, whatever that is.
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  Divide by 42.2. Yeah.
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  So yeah, that's good. I'm sure you have been
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  listening, but yeah, we'll that episode come in in the next week
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  or so. And then Owen, I believe we have
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  an interview lined up this week. No spoilers, but talk to us
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  about that. Yeah, so we've got an interview
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  with a really one of the biggest distance runners in the whole
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  world. World medalist sees everyone
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  knows them. We're world record holder.
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  I think maybe not, but yeah, you, yeah, you won't want to
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  miss this one. Yeah.
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  And I don't. Ryan again, I don't know how you
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  do this, how you get these lads on, but I'm fair play.
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  Yeah, really looking forward to that one.
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  Hopefully it'll be me and you and maybe Dean will join us as
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  well. But we'll we'll have fun either
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  way. Oh, did I say world record?
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  I think I mean European at one stage.
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  European record holder, anyway. All right, so let's go into some
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  results then. So we'll start in the UK with
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  the buff half. We've kind of just covered it
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  off, but this was the we previewed that last week in
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  terms of the. It was the.
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  Qualifying race for the road running championships, which
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  have been held in Copenhagen later this year.
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  Qualifying for the British boys and girls that is and the fields
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  were incredibly deep and Jake Smith spoke to his tactics and
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  how he wanted to run the race on the London call an episode.
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  So it went somewhat how Jake kind of predicted and that Joe
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  Wigfield won the race from Phil Sussman, Alfie Manthorpe and
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  Jake Smith was four times being 62 minutes, 7 for Joe's win.
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  And then 6 seconds back was Phil Sessman and Alfie Mann Thorpe, 7
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  seconds back. So 62136214 for them.
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  Jake Smith a little bit further back in 6231 and then a
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  considerable drop off to 5th place and still very fast 6356.
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  But yeah, we were all desperate for a live stream of this
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  weren't me because I think felt so involved, like kind of been
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  following Joe's journey, Phil Sussman's journey through
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  YouTube, Alfie's on YouTube and he's always all of these races
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  And obviously Jake Smith so transparent whenever he speaks.
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  So considering it was like bath half as in a bit of an
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  understated race, really such a such a good field and would have
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  been an amazing watch. But yeah, what have you seen of
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  it and what do you think the results?
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  Like, that's even at the top end.
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  But like Ryan Thompson, he came 10th.
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  He's another really good runner. And YouTube.
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  Hugo Fry was 11th, another YouTube.
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  And then Cole Gibbons was 17th. Like it was absolutely stacked.
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  And yeah, I just can't believe the organizers.
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  Like you see these lads on the start list and like that it's
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  deep. Like top 20 broke like 67 around
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  that M It's so, so deep. Like how they didn't put live
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  stream on like, yeah, it's just shit.
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  It's like like, and they even did a good job of sort of like
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  they all all these guys were calling out.
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  They were targeting this. They've obviously lined it up.
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  Was it just the first person that got automatic selection for
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  the world half marathon champs? I think the top two top 2.
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  So like, doesn't that like in and of itself, like it, it
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  becomes a draw card race, the excitement of running your way
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  onto a team, like that's exciting, like, and and it's
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  really well placed ahead of the London Marathon.
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  Like and it is not that expensive to get a stream now,
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  right? Like I wouldn't have thought all
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  the equipment and stuff, like in terms of technology wouldn't you
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  wouldn't think it would be that hard, but it's a shame.
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  There was some good interviews that come out of it afterwards
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  though I can't remember quite. I think Sunday podcasts were
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  involved with it, but maybe there's an account called
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  Activate the Banners and they've been posting interviews with
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  Joe, with Phil and with Jake I've seen.
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  I haven't seen one with Alfie but I'm sure there will be 1.
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  So like the the narrative beforehand is good, then you get
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  the race results, you get the reflections afterwards.
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  All's you're missing is actually seeing what happened, which is
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  quite ironic. Did you say though some of the
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  clips of like 5 people on a bike in front of the lead bikes like
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  a little group of them, I could just take someone just have a
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  phone or you know, one of those handheld Gopros or something
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  that's just streamed something like we've seen that.
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  Remember when the Inside Running podcast Croaker did that for,
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  well, Aussie cross country champs?
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  Like it didn't have to be much more than that.
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  You just, you get enough of an appreciation to follow the
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  races. It's unfolding.
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  Yeah, just get the Instagram Live going.
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  Yeah. Which you know, Matt Sadden from
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  Sunday podcast, you sent a video through to our Instagram chat
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  earlier in the week, Dean of Race in Battersea Park.
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  I think it was like a 5K1. And Matt said, and I don't know
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  if you can, well, you could probably tell from that was him
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  from his voice. But then in the background, he's
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  on a bike, isn't he? I don't know if you've seen
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  this. And how good was he's?
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  My commentary so good. Like the insight he's giving as
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  he's like who they are and like what they're shooting for and
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  the like all on the fly. And it was.
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  Great, he's peddling as they're like kicking the last couple 100
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  meters of a 5K. Yeah.
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  But yeah, I think with this one, there's interestingly there's
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  four spaces available on the team.
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  Whether or not they choose to fill them is another matter.
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  But yeah, top 2 are automatic. So I think that's why maybe
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  Jake's still a little bit hopeful with his fourth place,
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  but I think he was also alluding to on the episode last week,
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  like Emil basically can call Trump's if he wants.
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  It's weird. Alfie Maltorp, Totally.
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  He's not hopeful. Well, from the interviews I
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  seen, he just thinks he's not going anywhere.
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  And he was third, so I think it's just two.
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  Yeah, maybe British athletics have already suggested they
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  won't be. Yeah, like really British
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  athletics will just may bring to never mind for their tight as.
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  A question for you though, put you on the spot a little bit.
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  There's there is some some data if you want to look at it is Joe
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  Wigfield based on this the current the best 10,000 meter to
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  half marathon male in British running like taking down Phil
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  Sussman. He's behind the male, the
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  premier marathoner right now and the way.
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  Like. Only the way Jake speaks about
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  him in that you can hear how not scared, but he's almost like at
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  that physically don't know how I'm going to beat him.
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  How when I come up against him, it's I'm drawing comparison to
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  like the Cole Hawker effect in the USA in that people are
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  trying to get considerably fitter than him because they
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  know that they can't beat him at the end of the race.
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  And how much fitter than him do they have to be to be able to
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  drop him? And it seems like that's a
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  similar predicament here. They need to just be so much
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  fitter than Joe to get rid of them.
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  But he's clearly very bloody fit himself.
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  It's a duty and Key beats the McHale boys of Scott B and Roy
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  Leonard. Over 10,000.
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  I don't think so what's hey, you know what this is those blokes
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  didn't coach him before he's drunk.
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  He's drunk the kool-aid, I think here.
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  Yeah, the number 1 ticket holder and we appreciate that like you
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  got to back your boy in, but Nah, surely not.
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  You'll see now the 10, the 10 races on really soon over
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  America and I think B yeah, sometimes I don't know what it
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  is, but some of the American race, the only one where they
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  run the auto standards to, you know, yeah, make a World Team.
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  Yeah, Like, I don't know, maybe over 1/2, like, well, I mean,
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  we'll talk about this later, but maybe I'm being unfair thinking
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  these guys that have superior 5K times and pedigree are clearly
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  better. Like we saw Grant Fisher debut
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  at New York, which was very well streamed, which was it was it
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  was running. It was pretty much running at
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  the same time as the Bath half. And he looked incredible.
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  Like a lot of those guys coming from the track to the road, they
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  look so good, but it is different running on the road.
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  And so maybe, maybe we're being disrespectful to Joe, maybe.
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  Right now, I mean, it's by no means and a certainty I was
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  going to offer one person who I did think was definitely in
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  better form right now maybe. And he's perhaps forgotten about
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  because of his American base. And we've seen him run in New
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  York this weekend as well. Patrick Diva.
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  So I was looking at the fastest times that the British lads have
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  run since I used the start of 2020.
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  Folks feel like since before that if you haven't run a time
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  then maybe you're not in the conversation for now.
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  And he's got the fastest 10,000 meters on the track of the
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  British lads 27 O 8, which is like on par with the Aussie
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  record of rain is considerably faster than a male, which that
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  race I remember wasn't exactly a fast race of a male, but anyway.
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  And then Divas just ran sub 60 in New York.
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  But didn't wait. Wakefield bet the two boys in
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  Valencia. Yeah, which?
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  2. The two have my Cowboys, yeah.
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  Oh. Wait So what distance are we
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  saying this? Over 10K. 10K to half marathon,
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  Yeah. Off I think actually I want to
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  take about, I think Joe, we could beat them both.
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  Did Scott run the 10K in Valencia?
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  He did, but he ran it. He was coming off illness.
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  He didn't go with the right group.
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  I think Scott could because Scott's got 13.
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  Oh, something really low and 5K. So he could hurt Joe.
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  But then it should be a matter of hanging on.
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  I don't know. It'd be actually a really,
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  really good race. It's cool though, there's a lot
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  of people in the conversation now.
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  It seems like kind of comes in waves, doesn't it?
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  But then still unfortunately, when you compare to like the the
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  global scale, there's still another step to be had.
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  Like that team for like com games and the European is
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  Europeans on this year, yeah. Yeah.
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  Like that team is going to be so hard to make if you're fucking
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  British unless the boys move up a distance like Joe would he go?
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  Is there a half marathon in the Europeans?
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  I don't know. I don't think so.
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  So yeah, that 10K on the track surprised Joe's not running this
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  race in America in a couple of weeks.
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  True to get a time. But even though he positive Rd.
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  time influencia so that might count towards something.
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  There was also a women's race which we should remember and
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  Alex Bell, the former track *800m runner she won in 6915
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  beating Jess Warner Judd 2 minutes back in 7121 and Lauren
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  McNeil 3rd 7150. Interesting one with Alex Bell
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  because I know we have spoken about her before because she ran
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  same race and ran Valencia 10K in January and incredibly fast
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  there 3057. And I remember we kind of said
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  like, but they are that's a standout performance and kind of
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  keep an eye on her if she's going to continue with this road
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  running journey. And then there she has taken out
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  Jess Warner. Jordan's one of the best British
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  distance runners herself right now and Alex Bell has just
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  beaten her by two minutes. But like you look then across
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  the pond, Megan Keith runs 67 and I like heavy, even though
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  how heavy is it? And New York, like again,
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  there's just another level above.
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  Like that's a phenomenal run from Alex Bell, but they're
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  still another level above that. How do you know?
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  It's quite windy though as well, wasn't it?
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  Oh yeah, Jake said it was windy. Maybe just.
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  A female race run with the males.
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  Yeah. Do we know that much?
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  I assume they would have been. Their females would have went
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  off with the males as well. Probably, yeah.
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  So like, I'm just thinking she's one by two minutes.
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  I assume she wasn't like completely by herself for the
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  whole race. She would have been with a group
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  of fellows, wouldn't she? You assume so, but again, hard
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  to comment on when you don't. The next set of results take us
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  over to New York. I think you guys can cover this
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  one. She seems to be watching it
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  whilst I was deep in mouth. Can we go back one?
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  And so the women's is that I'm Alex Bell and just wonder George
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  going to the world rotating champs or does Megan Keith get a
• 23:18
  shoe in there now? Like what do you do?
• 23:20
  Because that was the qualifier. Now see so them there must be
• 23:23
  more than two spaces the most before otherwise.
• 23:30
  So British athletics wouldn't release just the two spots on it
• 23:34
  in a race, would they? Doesn't.
• 23:38
  Say. British Athletics, Why?
• 23:40
  Like I'm all for everyone rocking up to a race and then if
• 23:44
  you run your way onto it and then building up the race and
• 23:49
  showing it to people would be good.
• 23:50
  But but that's normally how they do it.
• 23:54
  They normally leave room for discretion, right?
• 23:57
  Yeah, because you've got. The way together, yeah.
• 23:59
  You've got the two Scots, Eilish and Megan Keith, to like, come
• 24:02
  into that. Yeah.
• 24:05
  So they wouldn't be leaving them out.
• 24:07
  And normally like, you know, those world half marathon
• 24:11
  champs, like the the fields are normally bigger because, you
• 24:15
  know, in the past I've had teams medals, hard to have a teams
• 24:19
  medal. I think in more recent times it
• 24:21
  was like the average time if your first three or something to
• 24:25
  that effect chopped and changed, but you would think you would
• 24:29
  have at least four people being allowed to go.
• 24:33
  With it being only in Copenhagen as well and not somewhere like
• 24:36
  China or bloody India, I'm sure they can stump up the funds to
• 24:40
  put four people on a Ryanair flight.
• 24:42
  Boys, I could be there. I've got an entry to the half.
• 24:48
  Really. Yeah.
• 24:50
  So I entered it like I entered A ballot when I was in Australia
• 24:53
  and yeah, I got in. So I didn't think you would have
• 24:59
  planned that far ahead, spur the moment sort of thing.
• 25:03
  So I don't know if it's going to line up because I don't plan on
• 25:07
  running 1/2 this year, but yeah, it's a possibility.
• 25:13
  So will you get you'll get to they've released, like I said, a
• 25:15
  number of places to race in like the the pro field basically.
• 25:21
  So Dave, the pro field and then I'll be like people behind
• 25:24
  because I remember I think it was last time it was in
• 25:27
  somewhere in Belgium and Scott beat, he didn't get in the pro
• 25:30
  field. So we had to start with the the
• 25:33
  normal people and then he like raced and caught the pro field.
• 25:37
  So there's a little gap there and between the pro field and
• 25:42
  the just your average runners. So you're getting a you're
• 25:47
  getting quite the skill set for there's a lot of marigami.
• 25:51
  This is like Valencia exactly like I think this will be a
• 25:55
  higher standard. Well, they'll be faster boys in
• 25:59
  the half, but yeah, could be on the cards.
• 26:03
  Very cool. You have to make that work.
• 26:07
  Be good opportunity. If we could, I think with the
• 26:11
  way I've sort of planned my season, I'll finish up at the
• 26:14
  first week in August. So if I don't have a little bit
• 26:19
  of downtime, I'll have like a five to six week builds before
• 26:22
  Copenhagen and then you hit cross country.
• 26:25
  So it might work out that like it's sort of a base block, do
• 26:28
  the half and then sort of drop down the distance for cross.
• 26:31
  So it might work, but we'll see. Has he gone so professional
• 26:36
  since he's left us then? I mean he trained 3 times
• 26:42
  Christmas Day when he was with us so I mean already taking it
• 26:45
  pretty serious has been on. Ways levelled up from when I was
• 26:54
  dragging him out for a Curry on New Year's Eve.
• 26:58
  Wasn't prioritizing sleep or nutrition then.
• 27:02
  One of the rare occasions. Oh yeah, go and tell us about
• 27:07
  New York. Think you guys watched it?
• 27:11
  Yeah, I can kick things off. So they had a very good live
• 27:15
  stream going. And again, it was just easy,
• 27:19
  easy to find just on YouTube. Very stacked races both on the
• 27:25
  men's and women's side. Maybe I start with the women's
• 27:28
  and then we can move into the men's.
• 27:30
  I know we, we so often start with the men's, but yeah, the
• 27:34
  women's race, the women's race was a date field, but I think
• 27:40
  the the two main protagonists were Agnes and Gedditch.
• 27:47
  She I think is the current world record holder over 10K on the
• 27:51
  road. She's run like 2847 thereabouts.
• 27:55
  So something can sign me fast. And she is who I think we
• 28:00
  covered earlier in the year when she just absolutely ran over the
• 28:04
  top of everyone at World Cross was that I think.
• 28:09
  And so she I think she's in, she's incredibly decorated
• 28:15
  athlete in her own right. And Helen O'berry, I mean, has
• 28:18
  won pretty much everything from the track all the way through to
• 28:22
  major marathons. And but in more recent times,
• 28:28
  there's been a marathon a right has sort of had a stranglehold
• 28:32
  on the Boston and New York marathons with her training
• 28:37
  training. Oh, was she been a training
• 28:39
  partner or, or just fellow country woman?
• 28:42
  I think just from Kenya, who who spends time in the US that
• 28:45
  Sharon Lakati, I think they run together.
• 28:49
  They do run together a bit, right?
• 28:51
  And you remember they've had a few Sprint finishes in some of
• 28:54
  the major marathons in the past. I think Lakati beat her in Was
• 28:59
  it Boston one year normally and. They run together everybody year
• 29:04
  in New York. For 43.
• 29:06
  Days. So she's she's incredibly strong
• 29:09
  as well, but she didn't get so much.
• 29:11
  There was a point in the race where and get it made a made a
• 29:16
  move a little bit like what she did in world cross country and
• 29:18
  just didn't but never was no one really was able to hang with
• 29:22
  her. Oberi Oberi goes to the arms
• 29:26
  just by default, right, like have you that high arm carry?
• 29:29
  Like she's almost poking herself in the eye when she swings
• 29:32
  around a bit like the like our fly car man with a lot of lot of
• 29:37
  swing. But she I don't know if you saw
• 29:40
  this part of the stream on, but like she's basically swinging
• 29:44
  these arms, doing her best to just get back onto the back of
• 29:48
  and get itch was really interesting because it's quite
• 29:51
  early in the races around halfway.
• 29:54
  And she held on and credit to her, but it ended up being in
• 29:59
  get it that had spent all of her bikkies and she was just running
• 30:03
  on the spot come later in the race.
• 30:05
  So even with maybe a mile or two to go, I think she was sitting
• 30:08
  second or third and she faded to 13th.
• 30:11
  And O'berry just yeah, didn't, didn't look troubled from that
• 30:15
  time on. They sort of set up a big gap.
• 30:17
  O'berry managed to hold on. I think she faded a little bit
• 30:20
  because I'm pretty sure what they went through 10K in was not
• 30:23
  the same pace that they held to the finish.
• 30:25
  Like they must have been on around 65 minute K pace.
• 30:27
  And O'berry finished in 63 1/2. And there's a bit of elevation
• 30:32
  in that race. Not loads, but a bit.
• 30:36
  Yeah. OK, Elevation, Elevation wise,
• 30:42
  there's 66 meters of elevation in this race.
• 30:45
  Wow, Is that it in Valencia Marathon?
• 30:48
  They're 66. Like it's not fucking hilly.
• 30:51
  Like they were hyping it up that going through at the first like
• 30:55
  5K, it was apparently it was super, super early.
• 30:57
  It's you guys, It's not that early.
• 31:00
  Like it's not pancake flat, but it's not hilly.
• 31:03
  So the Perth Marathon, which is like running along our freeway
• 31:08
  up and down, Yeah, up and down our freeway and footpaths, I
• 31:11
  think that's 180. So 90 meters per half, yeah.
• 31:15
  And like we would call that about as good as it gets, so but
• 31:19
  I feel. Does it mean though?
• 31:20
  You know because this one's point to point do that.
• 31:23
  Does it mean that you actually go up 66 meters from start to
• 31:27
  finish rather than total? Or no, because it's it's it's
• 31:32
  record ineligible because I think it's point to point and
• 31:34
  net downhill. So I think it's actually
• 31:37
  elevation loss. That's the elevation gain.
• 31:39
  I always measure the gain. Total elevation gain is 66
• 31:43
  meters. Yeah.
• 31:45
  Fuck all, really. And they're just little hills,
• 31:48
  like they're not hard. Well, by the looks things, it
• 31:50
  doesn't look like they're like really like sharp pinches.
• 31:53
  It's just freaking bridges. So they're talking about.
• 31:55
  It was in the women's first 5K, the women's race, wasn't it,
• 31:58
  that they were going on about the elevation?
• 32:02
  Yeah, yeah, because then the men's rolled through.
• 32:04
  The men's I remember went through in like 1357 and I
• 32:08
  remember thinking if it was a hilly star, like they're not
• 32:12
  rolling through, there wouldn't be 15 blokes rolling through in
• 32:15
  under 14 minutes. You.
• 32:18
  See Kelly gone. I was going to say you see Kelly
• 32:23
  Thackery in the results there. She's 17 weeks pregnant and if
• 32:28
  she and if she's pregnant and when I seen she ran there so I
• 32:30
  was like right straight to her Instagram.
• 32:33
  How bloody pregnant is she? 17 weeks I think running 73
• 32:38
  minutes. I think she played 17th as well.
• 32:43
  Oh yeah, I hope that's where I haven't got my 17 from, but
• 32:50
  yeah, impressive. You can, you can relate in that
• 32:56
  it would be easy. I mean, I don't know what it
• 32:58
  feels like to be pregnant, but it would be easy to step away
• 33:01
  completely from competitive racing in that you know you're
• 33:05
  going to be slower And like it's it'd be easier on the ego not to
• 33:09
  like just run slower times, wouldn't it?
• 33:11
  But to still, I guess have that fire and desire to race and
• 33:18
  accept the fact you're going to be slower in these.
• 33:20
  Fields now kind of how you say she was getting money for a fear
• 33:24
  and on that start line, let's be real.
• 33:28
  You reckon she's on the parents fee?
• 33:30
  Yeah, surely. But to be.
• 33:35
  The the girl who's finished fourth, I think she's like
• 33:39
  European record holder over the 5K as well.
• 33:41
  She's like Dutch, she's run 1430 odd and then there's a few big
• 33:46
  Americans in there as well. Wasn't the Emily?
• 33:49
  System she ran like 218 or something.
• 33:52
  Yeah, she she the marathon record holder, maybe.
• 33:55
  I think so. Apologies to the American
• 33:58
  listeners who are. Quite confident.
• 34:01
  I'm fairly confident. Susanna Sullivan and Emily
• 34:05
  Venters as well. So yeah, deep, deep woman's
• 34:09
  field and Megan Keith runs. Was it like the fourth fastest
• 34:15
  Brit ever on debut? Sixth fastest Brit ever on
• 34:18
  debut? Faster than Izzy's record is 67
• 34:24
  in the teens. I think it I think that's just
• 34:28
  faster than Izzy's Aussie record and she's done it on debut,
• 34:31
  which is remarkable IMO. Yeah, that's great.
• 34:36
  I mean, that's great running. It looks really good too.
• 34:39
  I mean, they're unfortunately the coverage spent so much time
• 34:42
  at the front too. But I was looking up there, so I
• 34:47
  found a website that says total elevation being 74 meters and
• 34:51
  total loss was 79 meters. So yeah, it's a net downhill,
• 34:56
  just to clear that up. So point to point.
• 34:58
  I probably had a tailwind as well.
• 35:00
  Yeah, Medio would be adding be taking time off, telling him
• 35:05
  it's too easy, boy, Because if you see her across and I don't
• 35:11
  know, just I don't know about you, but can't, don't you always
• 35:14
  just want to root for Helen O'berry?
• 35:15
  Like, did you? I don't know.
• 35:17
  Did you watch her finish on? She looked absolutely wrecked.
• 35:22
  Like, you know, when you talk about people crossing the finish
• 35:24
  line and, like, looking like they, you know, wouldn't blow
• 35:28
  out a candle and you start to raise.
• 35:30
  She looked cooked. She was running to find a towel
• 35:32
  to get all the spit off her face because she was bent.
• 35:36
  Surely, Like, if she, it's not to say, like, if you clean up
• 35:40
  your, like, sort of form, you go faster, but surely she's wasting
• 35:44
  so much energy swimming on those arms.
• 35:45
  Well, they just said the same about Paula Radcliffe.
• 35:49
  Yeah, head bouncing everywhere and she was the GOAT at that
• 35:55
  time. I just also checked, Megan
• 35:59
  Keith's time is faster than Izzy's national record which is
• 36:02
  insane and she ran the European 10K record only a few weeks back
• 36:07
  and didn't she Megan Keith So she's absolutely on fire.
• 36:12
  And then on to the men's race. So yeah, this is a really good
• 36:17
  race to watch as well that was splitting between both these
• 36:19
  races and the wheelies when they in the coverage, it was really
• 36:22
  good spread. But the men's race was in a, it
• 36:27
  was a group of I think 14 for most of it, perhaps thereabouts.
• 36:36
  And gosh, different guys were prominent at different times.
• 36:42
  Like you'd have. Yeah.
• 36:45
  Like Joe Klecker was prominent early.
• 36:47
  Grant Fisher spent a little bit of time with his face at the
• 36:50
  front. So Patrick Kiprock, you see,
• 36:55
  the, the taller, the taller athlete, he was fairly prominent
• 37:00
  pretty early. I think they went through 5K and
• 37:04
  I think the leader in 1357, and then they went through 10K
• 37:10
  pretty well. Smack on 28 minutes, which I
• 37:13
  think puts him in a time of what's that double that 56 + 3
• 37:18
  like 59 flat pace was sort of what they were rolling at.
• 37:25
  But yeah, who was, was he your countryman, Owen, Peter Lynch,
• 37:31
  that started he, I mean, he was maybe one of the first guys to
• 37:35
  sort of really try and break over the pack.
• 37:37
  Yeah. And like, as an Irishman, you're
• 37:40
  looking at him, you're like, what the hell are you doing?
• 37:43
  He's feeling good. Like he held his own.
• 37:45
  I think he's the first Irishman ever to run sub 60 now, even
• 37:49
  though it's not eligible for the record.
• 37:51
  But like that he trains in a group like a PM elite with that
• 37:55
  Patrick Deaver. So it's Peter Lynch, Patrick
• 37:58
  Deaver, that Alex Meyer. And there's a few of the men,
• 38:02
  and they're all coached by Alistair Craig, who, again, is
• 38:05
  Irish. And you don't hear much at all
• 38:07
  from that group. Jack Rowe, Yeah, you don't hear
• 38:10
  much at all from that group. But Jeannie Mac, they're able to
• 38:13
  run fast. And the fact that they're all so
• 38:16
  close to each other, imagine them as, imagine them rolling
• 38:19
  out workouts together, taking lumps out of each other.
• 38:23
  But even like, the women side of that team is unbelievable as
• 38:25
  well. Yeah.
• 38:28
  It's probably the best pro team in the world.
• 38:34
  It's Linklater, he's Puma as well, but he's in base with
• 38:37
  them. He's with this sort of guy
• 38:39
  called John Green and from like Verde Track Club, he coaches
• 38:43
  Philly Baden. But yeah, I'm like, yeah,
• 38:47
  they're all switching it. Your man's are Talby.
• 38:49
  He's going to be American, is he?
• 38:52
  Yeah. He he so he'll be able to run in
• 38:56
  the next Olympics for America. He put on AUS flag, didn't he?
• 39:00
  Post race? I, I didn't actually see that.
• 39:05
  All I seen was the third guy and then I turned it off.
• 39:10
  The Puma crew like in terms of the most dominant, because
• 39:15
  normally when you're watching these races, there'll be a main
• 39:18
  sponsor and you'll just see a smattering of whatever the main
• 39:21
  sponsor is. If it's ad athletes like Adidas,
• 39:24
  Essex, Nike, whereas this one is probably what the most prolific
• 39:29
  group was all kit was the Puma kit, huh?
• 39:33
  Yeah, it's not purpley. It's you can see it everywhere.
• 39:37
  Yeah, it's pretty cool. Like feel like they've come from
• 39:40
  the clouds a little bit. And Joe Clicker, don't you
• 39:43
  reckon it looks a little bit like a like a robot?
• 39:47
  Like that wide chest, robotic mechanics, buzz cut and MO.
• 39:52
  One all over. I.
• 39:55
  Think it's cool? Big run from him as well.
• 40:00
  Yeah, you'd be sick as well though, like that.
• 40:04
  Two seconds. Yeah.
• 40:07
  I see him and Patrick Kipper up. They trained together.
• 40:09
  They'd be training together and your man Ryan Ford, them three
• 40:12
  guys. Ryan Ford was 12.
• 40:14
  It's loads of team groups here. Yeah.
• 40:18
  So we should say we should mention.
• 40:19
  So Grant Fisher, who were probably very.
• 40:23
  So he was like the draw card and who got us probably most styled
• 40:26
  in to watch the stream to be honest.
• 40:28
  He was the he was last out of that group.
• 40:31
  I think I'm pretty sure it's a group of 14 and he finished 14th
• 40:36
  in 6053 and the results pretty much between there and the
• 40:40
  winner Adrian is it will shoot. Is he the South?
• 40:45
  African guy who's like outspoken on X is he always firing shots
• 40:50
  on Twitter? He.
• 40:52
  Could be. I mean, he's been around for a
• 40:54
  while. He's a good track runner.
• 40:55
  He was NCAA athlete, wasn't he? Remember, he runs.
• 40:59
  He runs with a Hawker group, Naz elite.
• 41:03
  But yeah, I mean, he looked great.
• 41:04
  He sort of waited until he fired.
• 41:06
  He fired a shot pretty late, didn't he?
• 41:07
  And when he went, he just blew them all apart.
• 41:13
  But yeah, I mean, he he was first and then, yeah.
• 41:15
  Toby second, Gulvia Singh, your man.
• 41:20
  Owen was third. Alex Mayer, fourth, Peter Lynch,
• 41:24
  the Irishman. And then, yeah, Paddy Diva, Rory
• 41:26
  Linklater. Roy.
• 41:29
  Did Rory Linkletter recently run a marathon?
• 41:31
  Is he? He's always bloody racing, isn't
• 41:36
  he? Yeah, I feel like he's brought
• 41:37
  something recently. He's obviously in very good
• 41:39
  shape to run 60 dead and literally he's one second ahead
• 41:42
  of keep Rob, 2 seconds ahead of Clecker.
• 41:43
  So and then Japanese, is it Kuwata, Jack Rowe, Ryan Ford and
• 41:52
  Ben Yo and then Fisher like a just a really stacked field,
• 41:55
  really good race to watch. I really enjoyed it.
• 41:59
  Got some some stats on some of them.
• 42:01
  So Diva with his 5956 was it has gone second fastest Brit ever,
• 42:08
  second Brit under 60 minutes behind only MO and Jack Rowe
• 42:14
  with his run goes in at #5 British all time as well.
• 42:18
  So huge moves the rankings for those two.
• 42:22
  Albeit they won't. They won't fall form part of it
• 42:24
  right? And there'll be other people
• 42:25
  that would have done record ineligible runs.
• 42:28
  But directionally you get the gist of it.
• 42:30
  Fast running. I hate doing this but your mana
• 42:36
  came third now. Like I think India are behind
• 42:39
  Kenya and the people have been popped.
• 42:40
  Isn't it in that list? And he ran A5 KA month ago.
• 42:46
  He ran 1315 on the 14th of February.
• 42:53
  Like with that I'm terrible. That conversion thing, would
• 42:56
  that equate to 5942 half? Gosh, probably be close.
• 43:06
  The problem is you're going to have to key the half off of
• 43:09
  Kipling most. I don't know if that's still in
• 43:12
  there. No, it's not ratified.
• 43:15
  I'll put it in the calculator. I know what.
• 43:17
  You mean I reckon, I reckon it's similar just on the basis that
• 43:21
  people run what, 1240s for 5K, so 1350 and it's not like right
• 43:27
  right up there and neither is 5942 like believe people running
• 43:32
  58. So aren't they?
• 43:33
  Breaking the hour is is massive, yeah well, yeah, two Aussies
• 43:39
  ever have yeah, was said. No, no Irishman on a legal
• 43:43
  course 1 Great Britain ever, so 3 whereas so that's three right
• 43:48
  across 3 Britains, Ireland and Australia 3 in history, whereas
• 43:54
  you probably got what, 50 people that have between the three
• 43:59
  countries that have gone under 1315?
• 44:03
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:04
  And so no one's gone as quick as 5942 out of any of them.
• 44:10
  I mean, maybe that's well under. Yeah.
• 44:13
  So you exactly so that performance by that reasoning
• 44:19
  could be closer to like a 12:45 which you think is.
• 44:23
  Yeah, A. Total different athlete, Yeah.
• 44:26
  I mean, Grand Fisher is, yeah, getting dusted by a minute.
• 44:32
  He has been around, he gets some good races, like you see his
• 44:36
  name, but like obviously it's not it's not all that common for
• 44:41
  you don't see like Indian athletes up the top of these
• 44:44
  results. That's why it's a bit of a stand
• 44:46
  out because he's probably like flying the flag for his nation
• 44:50
  and that being at the forefront of athletics.
• 44:52
  So I think he's on the straight and narrow, to be honest with
• 44:57
  you. His his agent is an American
• 45:02
  guy. He has Scott.
• 45:02
  Simmons should Americans are as bad as the canyons are just
• 45:06
  better doing it. I think it's everywhere.
• 45:09
  It is everywhere. It's just Kenya or just getting
• 45:11
  caught. Loads like so many American
• 45:13
  sprinters have got caught. I actually went on and put
• 45:18
  Icarus on on the weekend and I wish you never because it
• 45:22
  reminds you of how like prominent it is and how if you
• 45:26
  want to do it, it's basically easy to do it as long as if
• 45:29
  they're working with doctors and scientists and stuff.
• 45:32
  So it's a tie open. If you win bridges, Ron, we know
• 45:38
  why now. Yeah, we'll have to stop them
• 45:43
  bloody Nomio shipments. Stop.
• 45:46
  The fly cab. Oh yeah, Fisher as well.
• 45:50
  Did you? Was it just me or Z look like
• 45:52
  he's filled out a bit, perhaps deliberate in that he's running
• 45:56
  longer distance but. I thought it was because he's
• 46:00
  wearing all black, like black shorts, black socks, black
• 46:04
  runners, and I think he was wearing the what he'd been
• 46:06
  wearing the new fly fours, which is why they are black.
• 46:12
  But I think that's why he looked a bit like Stout.
• 46:16
  Maybe he just went too hard on the car blood.
• 46:19
  Because there was a video, there was a video, I think some
• 46:22
  YouTube channel done a video on a workout on him and he was
• 46:25
  looking lean as one of them track all access ones.
• 46:29
  I like the black on black there. That was cool.
• 46:35
  Big colors splice things up. Bit disappointing from him
• 46:39
  though isn't it really? I mean finishing 14th on the
• 46:42
  time I was maybe thinking he would break 60 minutes.
• 46:45
  Perhaps too optimistic I. Think he said he was a little
• 46:47
  bit disappointed as well. He tried not.
• 46:49
  He tried to be diplomatic, but. He is very level headed when he
• 46:54
  speaks, like his knee would be hard to rattle him, but he.
• 46:59
  If you think back, he compromised well, he sacrificed
• 47:02
  rather well cross country and then also obviously well
• 47:05
  indoors. He's not doing that either
• 47:07
  because he was kind of making this bid to try out the roads
• 47:13
  and obviously that would make it all the more shit that it didn't
• 47:17
  go so well for him. Your man who came 13 to Daniel
• 47:21
  Abeno, he put up like an Instagram post, like apologizing
• 47:25
  for his performance and all. No way.
• 47:28
  Yeah, but if you're Grand Fisher, do you stick to the
• 47:33
  roads or do you go back to the track?
• 47:36
  I think he's going back, yeah. Because like as like a 6053 that
• 47:41
  is still like a so such a fuzz debut.
• 47:45
  But what he's he's run, it's like 26 there.
• 47:48
  Yeah, there's 10K, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.
• 47:52
  So he is. Yeah, he's different league
• 47:55
  there. Just a year point earlier, so
• 48:00
  about is Joe Weakfield the best? Shit.
• 48:04
  He's coming back. No, I'd like, you know, I think
• 48:10
  it's a it's a interesting thing to to mention like the Sunday
• 48:16
  podcast, you know how they put out their lights like results
• 48:19
  around the the globe for the weekend.
• 48:22
  And it's when, when you put them alongside, like when you put
• 48:24
  Paddy Diva 5956, Jack Rowe 6017 and then the guys from the the
• 48:32
  half, you know, in the low 62 minutes, right, the two minutes.
• 48:37
  I know it's a different course on a different day, but.
• 48:42
  Yeah, Even so in Barcelona with Joe run 61 low, so that's on on
• 48:49
  the fast course as well, so. Like you met, Yeah, each, each
• 48:53
  minutes, a little bit of a, you know, 3 seconds, OK, It's a bit
• 48:57
  of a jump, isn't? It next set of results goes to
• 49:04
  Barcelona Marathon. This is confusing as well
• 49:07
  because the main sponsors is Urich, so it reads the Zurich
• 49:11
  Barcelona Marathon. For those who don't know, Jorah
• 49:14
  is also a city in Switzerland. Anyway, it was in Barcelona and
• 49:21
  it was born by an Ethiopian woman, Fatian Safai Halo in
• 49:27
  absolutely mind boggling come from the clouds.
• 49:32
  But she hasn't. In fairness, she she does have
• 49:34
  the results to back it. But this results and this
• 49:37
  performance in that, don't think anyone in the running world was
• 49:40
  expecting it. There's no kind of preview,
• 49:42
  there's no hype, there's no expectation.
• 49:45
  And two hours 1053, which goes in at the second fastest ever
• 49:52
  behind, obviously Riff Chapman. Guess which everyone who isn't
• 49:57
  World Athletics has deleted that result from their mind.
• 50:00
  So I mean, let's consider it the fastest ever.
• 50:05
  Yeah. Any thoughts?
• 50:09
  I don't know who this girl is but like 210 is very so she won
• 50:12
  up by 8 minutes which is pretty good.
• 50:17
  The lads races one and two 0457 so like it is a fast course but
• 50:24
  yeah, 21053 is it's up there isn't it?
• 50:30
  Yeah, so I wasn't so familiar with her, but to be fair to her,
• 50:35
  when you look at her career today, right, she's run 1441 for
• 50:40
  5K. Now, Dean, you need to switch on
• 50:42
  because you're good at these conversions.
• 50:44
  And what means what, 1441 for five K, 2942 for 10K in Valencia
• 50:52
  last year and a half marathon PB is 6321.
• 50:56
  So that's the main conversion that we're working with, the 63
• 51:00
  half. She finished 7th in the Paris
• 51:04
  10,000 meters in 2024 and 8th in the Tokyo 10,000 meters more
• 51:09
  recently. So and all she also has a fifth
• 51:13
  and 11th at the World Cross Country Championships to her
• 51:16
  name. So 1/2 PB that's 63, although
• 51:22
  IMO it doesn't convert to a 210 or it's an extremely good
• 51:26
  conversion for a 210. It is the third fastest half
• 51:30
  marathon ever run by a female. This is not like she's a no
• 51:34
  mark, but her results at the major championships as in
• 51:41
  finishing 7th, 8th, 5th and 11th.
• 51:44
  She's not right up there amongst the best of the best on the
• 51:48
  global scale, yet she's able to debut as well.
• 51:51
  To be fair, we didn't say this is her marathon debut.
• 51:56
  What do you think on these numbers?
• 52:01
  Yeah. So I'd say like, well, just in
• 52:05
  terms of the talk on reflections on the time.
• 52:07
  So I would say 1440 and 2940, but 1440 is not that
• 52:16
  particularly quick, I wouldn't say.
• 52:19
  And then 2940 probably equates pretty close to like 63 1/2.
• 52:26
  No, it doesn't. Like she she ran 1432 in a
• 52:30
  London Diamond League last July, but that helps.
• 52:39
  But like 5, Yeah. So 5 or 6 seconds to go from
• 52:44
  5:00 to 8K to 10K makes about sense because like a double plus
• 52:52
  a minute. So 1430 * 2 is 29 + a minute is
• 52:57
  30 minutes. You're a little bit under that
• 53:01
  so that you know, you can understand that.
• 53:04
  But then to get your 10K time of 2940, which is 258 per K, and
• 53:10
  then run three O 1 per K for your half marathon, which is
• 53:14
  6320. I mean, it's no, it's 3 minutes
• 53:16
  flat. It's 6326 is 3 minutes flat,
• 53:19
  right? So she's running pretty much a
• 53:22
  10K pace for 1/2 marathon. And then you know, we often talk
• 53:27
  about double +7. That's just a bit of a guide.
• 53:30
  And it's not like, and it's just Stinson mentioned, it's a bit
• 53:33
  more of a men's equation because they tend to have a bit of a
• 53:35
  higher ceiling like Jess's. Jess's equation is like double
• 53:39
  plus three. She's been an outlier, but she's
• 53:41
  like an aerobic machine. But we can understand that
• 53:46
  narrative, this one where you're doing double plus 4, but even
• 53:49
  what you're doubling seems hard to make sense of.
• 53:55
  Whereas you look at Jess and she's openly saying she needs to
• 53:58
  like go and work on 1/2 marathon PB.
• 54:01
  Yeah, probably hasn't gone to somewhere like Marigami or
• 54:04
  somewhere where you can, you know, you go to Valencia for the
• 54:07
  marathon, but you haven't gone to the equivalent of that for
• 54:09
  the Hut, for the roads for the half and paid for a lucky in a
• 54:12
  marathon block. So it is probably more pushing
• 54:15
  towards a bit more of a gap. But this one's already got the
• 54:19
  third fastest half ever. Yeah, yeah.
• 54:24
  But I don't know. So anyway, that's the comments
• 54:27
  on the times. So this is the world record
• 54:30
  time. No, Chapman gets it.
• 54:33
  She still stands. Yeah, but yeah, but this apart
• 54:36
  from her, this is the fastest ever.
• 54:38
  Yeah. I did the same country.
• 54:41
  She's Ethiopian, this one. OK.
• 54:44
  So they haven't started testing Ethiopia?
• 54:47
  I thought, I thought I just had this.
• 54:50
  If you're in 210 marathon shape as a female in March, how do you
• 54:56
  only finish 8th at the World Champs in September last year?
• 55:01
  Like to run 210 now is so much better than what anyone else is
• 55:06
  doing. How is the seven people better
• 55:08
  than you over 10,000 meters in Tokyo?
• 55:13
  It's a bit mad, like I'm looking at her 2025.
• 55:15
  So she opened up with that 2942 in Valencia.
• 55:19
  Then she went to Berlin Half and ran that 6335.
• 55:23
  Then she ran a road 5K in Germany 1450.
• 55:27
  Then she ran that Prefontaine Classic.
• 55:30
  She ran a 5K15 O 4. Then that's July, started July,
• 55:36
  19th of July, she runs the London Diamond League in 1432.
• 55:41
  Then in September she's the World Championships 3121.
• 55:45
  So like fair enough, it's a long year.
• 55:48
  And then September and then October she runs the Valencia
• 55:52
  half and she runs a 6510. So then between that Valencia?
• 55:57
  65 in Valencia in October. But that's a long year, to be
• 56:00
  fair. Like that's hard on anyone.
• 56:02
  She's going from January to October and then from October
• 56:09
  there's no results until like there yesterday.
• 56:14
  I mean, the first thing I've done was look at her agent and I
• 56:16
  was hoping don't, don't be Rosa. Just don't be Rosa.
• 56:21
  And it's not. It's a Spanish woman called
• 56:23
  Monica Ponce Schaeffer and it looks like she was she was a
• 56:27
  marathoner back in the day herself.
• 56:30
  But then shit, when you look at her directory, she's she
• 56:33
  represents 70 athletes and as a Spanish woman, 39 of them are
• 56:39
  Ethiopian and 18 of them are Kenyan.
• 56:42
  So she's got a big African representations and some big
• 56:46
  names in there as well. To be fair, none the well none
• 56:49
  to my knowledge that make you like concerned Nelly chapter
• 56:55
  chair Mukhtar address Yarmouth Kajalcha Thierry Indica more new
• 57:01
  and Emmanuel 1 yoni so some of the best athletes in the world
• 57:07
  to be fair to her. But yeah, hey Lou, this Fort yen
• 57:12
  safai. Hey Lou may well have just gone
• 57:15
  pound for pound the best of the bunch.
• 57:19
  We put a real house that's free last week.
• 57:21
  We put a real house on the Kip limo talk and I don't know if
• 57:25
  we're missing something because in the stuff that I kind of
• 57:30
  consumed since when we recorded to now, obviously everyone's
• 57:33
  spoken about Kipling most time and stuff, but no one's really
• 57:37
  seems to be too concerned over the fact that his agent is Rosa.
• 57:41
  I don't know why everyone else is like glossing over it or not
• 57:45
  really considering it as a contentious subject.
• 57:52
  I mean, the time is the time for now but.
• 57:56
  Like the boys on the lesser on podcasts were like loving it.
• 58:01
  They like they don't. I don't think they've heard of
• 58:04
  Doctor Rosa. But yeah, it's just what so many
• 58:09
  are athletes have been popped. There's only you have to take
• 58:11
  these things with a pinch of salt as well.
• 58:13
  Like, again, he's been living an altitude for years.
• 58:17
  Phenomenal runner. He's been so good on the track.
• 58:19
  But that does not say he has avoided the AIU whatever the
• 58:24
  freak you called him for years or he's master that you'd like
• 58:27
  to think he's clean. And I really hope he's clean
• 58:30
  because he keep regardless, I think he'll go down as one of
• 58:33
  the best distance runners ever. But yeah, I don't know I.
• 58:41
  Mean let's leave it there. Fantastic debut from Halo.
• 58:45
  Yeah. Are we going over to Adelaide
• 58:48
  next or He's done a team? Vincent.
• 58:53
  Yeah, he's gone. He's just left the chat.
• 58:56
  Was this Adelaide Invitational big?
• 59:00
  It's just the next one in the in the series.
• 59:03
  So we have like a domestic season of races.
• 59:09
  So Perth, Hobart, then over to Adelaide.
• 59:12
  So all right, I'll just fly. Do you want to fly?
• 59:17
  Yeah, if you've got to, if you've, if you've got them to
• 59:19
  hand, yeah. Let's still start with the
• 59:21
  women's 1500. It was won by Miller Roberts.
• 59:25
  Jim actually 2000, born in 2007. She's from Queensland.
• 59:32
  She ran a 14/12/82 for APB. Second was Clara Des from
• 59:37
  Victoria, she ran 4/13/23 and then third was Zoe Melhush from
• 59:47
  the capital Canberra and she ran 14/14/87.
• 59:53
  The next one on the list was the men's 800 meters.
• 59:58
  This is 1 by Daniel Williams again 2007, he ran 14437, that
• 1:00:05
  is fast. And second was Luke Boyce from
• 1:00:09
  NSW. He ran 14438.
• 1:00:11
  That was close. And then Terry was James
• 1:00:14
  Preston. James Preston here on 145 O 7,
• 1:00:19
  that's from Malta in this race. Jared Maccailiffe around 147 the
• 1:00:27
  Yeah, I think, yeah, that Dan Williams just close over the top
• 1:00:30
  of boys just towards the end was a good dip.
• 1:00:34
  Is he the lad who wore the long shorts in one of them big races
• 1:00:40
  in Melbourne? A Christmas there are you
• 1:00:44
  thinking of? No, the long short cross in
• 1:00:48
  there? Oh, yeah, I've seen that as
• 1:00:50
  well. There was a male steeplechase
• 1:00:56
  with some big names. It was the winner, Buzz Yetaro
• 1:00:59
  Nene from Japan. He ran 833.
• 1:01:02
  Second was Ben Buckingham from Victoria.
• 1:01:05
  He ran 837. I was just.
• 1:01:11
  Thinking I don't know if we've ever covered the steeplechase
• 1:01:14
  result and then you said there's some big names and then read the
• 1:01:17
  fellow off of never and. Then third was Liam Cashin here
• 1:01:25
  on 843 as well. And yeah, that was your
• 1:01:32
  steeplechase we've got off the pace.
• 1:01:35
  You left Tim Men's 1500 winner, It was Tamonori Yamaguchi.
• 1:01:43
  These, these must be the boys from MTC, is it?
• 1:01:47
  They must be. Has Yeah, he ran 340.13.
• 1:01:52
  Jack and Sharp was second in 340.22 and then third was
• 1:01:57
  Alexander Stitch from Queensland.
• 1:01:59
  He ran 340.74. Shout out to Max Shervington he
• 1:02:04
  came sixth in 34215. Any other big one?
• 1:02:13
  Others Women's 5K Very last event that was won by Ruby
• 1:02:17
  Schmee from Tasmania she ran 1552.
• 1:02:23
  Second was Izzy Thornton boss when I seen this I thought that
• 1:02:26
  was easy about oil. I don't know why Izzy Thornton
• 1:02:29
  bought she ran 16 O 6 and then third was Libby Montay from
• 1:02:33
  Queensland to run 1627. 2009, by the way.
• 1:02:40
  Beth yeah, there was a Sinead, Sinead Noonan was and DNS in
• 1:02:45
  this one. Yeah, I think she was on the
• 1:02:49
  start list. Was it for Hobart or Perth as
• 1:02:52
  well? But she's had a bit of an
• 1:02:54
  injury. She's coming back.
• 1:02:57
  I actually missed the Whims 800 which was probably the biggest
• 1:03:00
  race of the night. I'd be Caldwell, she won it in
• 1:03:04
  A2 flat .04, second was Jayla Hancock, Cameron, she ran two O
• 1:03:09
  174 and third was Emma Friga from Queensland, she ran two O
• 1:03:15
  323 and that is Adelaide. Have you ever been to Adelaide
• 1:03:20
  boys? Did my first marathon in
• 1:03:24
  Adelaide. Nice What you're on 2/26?
• 1:03:31
  They mis sold them on prize money.
• 1:03:35
  Let's start in super shoes. I got a bone to pick with them.
• 1:03:39
  Yeah, I think I was in the every like the four percents, you know
• 1:03:42
  the. Yeah, this is 2019.
• 1:03:46
  Yeah, I actually was at the Adelaide Invitational 2024.
• 1:03:52
  I want to say you get to the Barossa, you go try a glass of
• 1:03:58
  wine or anything while you were there.
• 1:04:00
  No strict business trip just to see that running.
• 1:04:04
  It worked out well because I was working install.
• 1:04:06
  So me and Aden, we got the bikes on the back of the car and drove
• 1:04:11
  to Adelaide. 5 hours there and we cycled around Adelaide.
• 1:04:15
  It was actually really good and it just happened that the
• 1:04:17
  running mate was on at the same time.
• 1:04:21
  City of Churches Adelaide. But it's got a lot of parks,
• 1:04:25
  quite a very pleasant place to run.
• 1:04:27
  I ran along the there was a like a river.
• 1:04:31
  It's actually really, really nice.
• 1:04:33
  It's probably underrated like Perth, even though they've no
• 1:04:36
  actually it's not right like Perth, there's so many.
• 1:04:38
  There's a pro team there. I've been once for about 3
• 1:04:43
  hours. We flew when I was living in
• 1:04:45
  Melbourne. We flew there and picked up a
• 1:04:48
  campervan and then drove it back along Great Ocean Road.
• 1:04:51
  But yeah, literally just drove out of Adelaide pretty much.
• 1:04:55
  Although I will have to go back from a great white shark cage
• 1:04:58
  diving. Apparently that when you're
• 1:05:03
  driving into Adelaide, they sometimes they like check your
• 1:05:06
  car and if you've like fruit in your car, like they find you or
• 1:05:09
  something like that. I didn't get stopped now, but
• 1:05:12
  I've heard stories of people getting like fined for trying to
• 1:05:14
  bring bananas into like Adelaide.
• 1:05:16
  It is. Yeah.
• 1:05:19
  Weird. Speaking of driving things
• 1:05:21
  around the around the traps, the Harry.
• 1:05:24
  You remember Harry? Yeah, he drove his girlfriend's
• 1:05:29
  car from Brisbane to the Brisbane and Perth and we went
• 1:05:35
  for a run with him on Sunday. How long did it take him?
• 1:05:39
  Fair while enough for him to title it, unfortunately.
• 1:05:44
  He biked the Yeah. Yeah, Ouch.
• 1:05:50
  What's that? The Nullarbar?
• 1:05:51
  Is it the big long Rd. Nullarbor?
• 1:05:53
  Yeah, the Nullarbor. Yeah, Fucking hell.
• 1:05:57
  Malabar. How long travelling in style
• 1:06:01
  though? I think he said it took him like
• 1:06:03
  3 weeks. He was.
• 1:06:04
  He's been down aspirants and everything on on his way.
• 1:06:08
  He took his golf clubs, so he played around at golf.
• 1:06:13
  He's pretty good at golf. He plays off scratch, does he?
• 1:06:15
  Usually yes. Went around scratch out the day
• 1:06:19
  of sandwich is not bad, is it? What's like the scratch
• 1:06:22
  equivalent to like a marathon time?
• 1:06:26
  Tricky 215 you'd. Have to apply death to it 215 by
• 1:06:30
  maths to it. Yeah, probably 218.
• 1:06:34
  Two eighteen. Yeah.
• 1:06:36
  Come on. 21740 So that's the results.
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  Come back from the down week. Wow, this was still.
• 1:07:03
  How was your body feeling as as bad as Jake's feels after a down
• 1:07:06
  week? No, I don't know.
• 1:07:09
  Yeah, I don't know how that chap.
• 1:07:11
  I thought you should feel better.
• 1:07:15
  And so again, all this week up until Saturday was just off my
• 1:07:21
  own doing. It was just easy jogging.
• 1:07:24
  So start. I think I did do something most
• 1:07:27
  days though, trying to get it up on Monday.
• 1:07:34
  I start off with Ohio yeah 40 minute run and I felt so shit.
• 1:07:40
  I've like yeah had right through the roof like the you know where
• 1:07:47
  the like 4 foot of my foot was sore.
• 1:07:49
  Now I think my Romeros are done as well, so that probably didn't
• 1:07:53
  help. But yeah, I just felt very like
• 1:07:57
  deconditioned. So that was 9 K at 420 fives.
• 1:08:01
  How many KS you reckon is under the marrows for them to be done?
• 1:08:05
  Ah, I think 680I track it on M Strava.
• 1:08:10
  So I think around 680 to 700. I don't know.
• 1:08:16
  That's good innings. Yeah.
• 1:08:19
  So, yeah. And then on the Tuesday, just
• 1:08:22
  got out for 30 minutes. Easy.
• 1:08:23
  Shake out the legs. Do you know, I wasn't meant to
• 1:08:26
  run. I was meant to take a break.
• 1:08:27
  But like, you have that itch to get out and run.
• 1:08:30
  I am. It's like you're like an addict,
• 1:08:32
  Like, you just need that. You need to do it.
• 1:08:35
  So yeah, we just got out for 30 minutes. 6K at 4:30.
• 1:08:39
  Fives Wednesday went back to circus class Thursday woke up
• 1:08:46
  very sore. I hadn't used my core and I
• 1:08:48
  don't know how long. So yeah that the next morning
• 1:08:51
  and on the Thursday I had a fallout with my heart rate
• 1:08:54
  monitor. So yeah, I changed this the
• 1:08:59
  battery. I think I was complaining about
• 1:09:01
  this a while ago when I changed the battery at my Garmin heart
• 1:09:03
  rate monitor. And guys, they just become a
• 1:09:06
  piece of shit. Like they just do not read your
• 1:09:08
  heart rate anymore. So yeah.
• 1:09:12
  And this was my fourth Garmin Harry monitor since 2021.
• 1:09:16
  So like when I was complaining to Garmin about this, I like
• 1:09:19
  brought up my like account history and you could see I had
• 1:09:22
  two returned one got another two.
• 1:09:24
  And I was like, this is not, this is not right.
• 1:09:28
  Like you shouldn't be going through a Harry monitor a year.
• 1:09:31
  And they're like, oh, they made me really work for a refund.
• 1:09:36
  They, they wanted me to send them every single bit of
• 1:09:40
  information, but so on how I wash it, loads of history of the
• 1:09:45
  high rate when it's not working and all this sort of shit.
• 1:09:47
  So yeah, Garmin lost a customer and I went to the local running
• 1:09:53
  shop in Navan and I got a course on and so far so good.
• 1:10:00
  It just feels weird, like having it on your arm.
• 1:10:03
  I don't know Ryan. Like we've sort of big biceps
• 1:10:05
  so. But not it's good so far.
• 1:10:12
  It's still hanging on. It's hanging on there for now,
• 1:10:15
  yeah. Then Friday just got a 30 minute
• 1:10:21
  easy again. And then Saturday the caption
• 1:10:24
  was let Fat Cam command side 45 minutes done with my brother,
• 1:10:28
  10.8 K at four 10s Yeah, feeling good.
• 1:10:33
  And then so Sunday I had like 50 minutes actually, I made a
• 1:10:37
  mistake here. It was 15 minutes with the last
• 1:10:39
  30 at like LT1. It was meant to be the last
• 1:10:42
  20LT1. And so, yeah, pillion, I think
• 1:10:47
  it's around 330 per kilometer at the moment and which, yeah, it's
• 1:10:52
  not too bad starting back up, but yeah, that was 13.5 K.
• 1:10:56
  What a heart rate is LT1 you know.
• 1:10:59
  And well, it was just between like 160 and 174, just in
• 1:11:04
  between that zone. So yeah, that was 54 K for the
• 1:11:13
  week. And hopefully we'll start
• 1:11:16
  building back up again, just slowly.
• 1:11:18
  I don't want to overload the legs too much because, you know,
• 1:11:22
  last time when I had a break, I went back in, I probably jumped
• 1:11:24
  in too quick and just you pick up these little niggles.
• 1:11:27
  So I'll slowly increase and yeah, hopefully have a big nice
• 1:11:32
  block up until May and then I'll start racing.
• 1:11:35
  Nice spring block. That'd be nice, wouldn't it?
• 1:11:38
  Yeah, and like the mornings, like I don't wear that big ugly
• 1:11:41
  headlight on my head anymore in the mornings because they're all
• 1:11:45
  bright now, so, well, getting bright.
• 1:11:47
  So yeah, no, the weather is still pissing rain constantly,
• 1:11:51
  but at least it's not dark and pissing rain.
• 1:11:56
  Good stuff. How about you, Ron?
• 1:12:02
  Now you go, Dean, you go. No, no you can't, mate.
• 1:12:05
  OK, my week was another 60K run week, I think 5 days of running.
• 1:12:13
  Again, a little bit less cycling.
• 1:12:15
  But the main thing about this week was that I'd done my first
• 1:12:19
  session with Dean on Tuesday and we had RAF on the bike so the
• 1:12:26
  instruction was 2 by 12 minutes. I was hoping for a heart rate
• 1:12:32
  instruction and clearly wasn't going to be bothered about what
• 1:12:36
  the pace was, just wanted to make sure that the effort was
• 1:12:38
  right. So if it was like bear in mind
• 1:12:41
  I'd just been doing a couple of steady runs.
• 1:12:43
  So I was thinking maybe like LT1 slash tempo.
• 1:12:49
  Couple of steady runs off the back.
• 1:12:53
  Steady park run. Steady park run and then Lt. to
• 1:13:00
  the back end of your study on Thursday so you're primed for
• 1:13:03
  Tuesday. Yeah, so I've been peeking for
• 1:13:06
  this workout. No, but yeah.
• 1:13:08
  Then after the we've done a lap of Lake Mungo warm up, which
• 1:13:13
  felt like a blast from the past. Is this on a Tuesday?
• 1:13:20
  Tuesday. So you don't go track on a
• 1:13:23
  Tuesday anymore? Scarred for life?
• 1:13:27
  Just not yet. That'll be the I will go back to
• 1:13:30
  the track, just I'm not, I'm just doing 2 threshold workouts
• 1:13:33
  until I'm comfortable that it like the track just introduces
• 1:13:38
  more risk I think. Yeah, true.
• 1:13:43
  Yeah, I was thinking about going back and like running whichever
• 1:13:47
  group it may be like a group down or two groups down, but you
• 1:13:50
  just know that won't happen. You'll see the people you
• 1:13:53
  usually run with and then just try and run with them and it'll
• 1:13:56
  save you no good. But yeah, this was the actually
• 1:14:01
  first time put in a pair of carbon plated shoes on since
• 1:14:04
  last May as well. So very exciting feelings all
• 1:14:08
  around. I did have my flames.
• 1:14:11
  No where the flames. It was the the old vapor fly
• 1:14:14
  fours, you know, like the pink and white ones saving the flames
• 1:14:18
  bridges. The flame socks as well.
• 1:14:23
  Yeah, no, I can't wear them anymore.
• 1:14:24
  They give me. A terrible blisters after
• 1:14:27
  Ballarat because they're quite thick.
• 1:14:29
  Really. Beauty hurts, right?
• 1:14:33
  I've never had issue with the socks.
• 1:14:35
  I think it's because I'm I'm stupid with my shoes and I buy
• 1:14:39
  them like not really with much room in the end of them because
• 1:14:44
  I'm used to where I wear those. What's the Nike socks?
• 1:14:47
  The like the race socks that Nike do the dead dead thin.
• 1:14:52
  So then when you yeah, when you put the shoe ones on, they're a
• 1:14:56
  little bit thicker and I don't leave room for the thickness
• 1:15:01
  anyway. Yeah.
• 1:15:01
  So then straightaway rafts like 320 fives, yeah.
• 1:15:06
  And kind of scared me to be honest because besides the
• 1:15:12
  stupid last K of the 5K race and touched a 325 almost 12 months
• 1:15:19
  and then this was 2 by 12 minutes and I was hoping it
• 1:15:21
  would be a comfortable effort, but off we went anyway.
• 1:15:26
  And I think it was 336 for the 1st 1335 at like 160 beats per
• 1:15:34
  minute, which is like tempo comfortable, comfortably hard.
• 1:15:40
  And then? That's good, hey.
• 1:15:41
  Yeah, that's nice reintroduction.
• 1:15:44
  Because like, yeah, you have a really low heart rate.
• 1:15:48
  Do you or is it just he has been cycling a lot?
• 1:15:52
  Yeah, but I feel like it's just different.
• 1:15:55
  Totally. Like you're not running fit.
• 1:15:57
  That's still like, really, really good.
• 1:16:01
  It's good enough for Dean to sit on the back of me and not take
• 1:16:04
  some of the lead despite being six weeks ahead.
• 1:16:10
  I took it. I would just once we got out of
• 1:16:13
  that headwind, I went to the front.
• 1:16:19
  When he, when he went past, I said that was a horrible
• 1:16:21
  headwind. That wasn't it, Dean.
• 1:16:25
  Wait so they commented on my back as well for the 1st 12
• 1:16:29
  minutes you average 160? Yeah.
• 1:16:33
  Fuck forever and. Then two-minute jog and then 12
• 1:16:36
  minutes again at 165. This average was because I
• 1:16:41
  started getting excited towards the end of it.
• 1:16:44
  Once I knew that I was through like the scary part and pushing
• 1:16:47
  the pace a little. That was three 30s.
• 1:16:50
  So it was good fun and it was fine.
• 1:16:53
  The next day I was itching to run again but took sensible
• 1:16:58
  option and did not. And that seems to be how it's
• 1:17:02
  progressing. Get some sort of intensity and
• 1:17:06
  then take a day off and then easy run intensity day off.
• 1:17:11
  But now Steve said let's try and get three in a row one day off,
• 1:17:15
  three in a row, one day off. So that's where we're heading.
• 1:17:20
  And you did some writing on top of that.
• 1:17:22
  Done this ride session Thursday morning and alarm went off in
• 1:17:28
  time on Saturday to make the group ride Saturday morning and
• 1:17:32
  then done 85 minutes on Sunday morning.
• 1:17:36
  So good week. Yeah, good running, good week
• 1:17:40
  All in all. Feel like starting to like just
• 1:17:45
  starting to work again. Like I was never really too
• 1:17:49
  worried about fitness because that just comes back.
• 1:17:51
  But it's more so, you know, when you if you try and run for like
• 1:17:54
  an hour and you can feel your muscles or your legs breaking
• 1:17:57
  down, it's like, oh shit, I'm miles off it.
• 1:17:59
  But they come back quick, don't they?
• 1:18:03
  Do we know anyone else in this Bridges race coming up?
• 1:18:08
  Is that kid so common? Will he show up?
• 1:18:11
  I think he might be good head out.
• 1:18:12
  I think he might be Andrew Hellbush.
• 1:18:15
  I think he's doing it as well because stand no chance against
• 1:18:18
  him at the minute. Is he what use it?
• 1:18:20
  Is he with front runner now? He started working in the shop,
• 1:18:23
  but he's not. He's trained by Zander, which is
• 1:18:26
  Raff's new protege from Runner. But he was like private with him
• 1:18:32
  beforehand, so he's not joined like the group as such.
• 1:18:38
  He's good. He's good though.
• 1:18:39
  He what they run the other week 353 or 355-1500.
• 1:18:45
  I think he's run for five Ki think you're at like 1440, maybe
• 1:18:50
  30, maybe 30 something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:55
  He was actually, he was a victim at Fremantle 10K the other year.
• 1:18:59
  So I would like, I would like to just I'd like to keep the one in
• 1:19:04
  our head to head. There we go.
• 1:19:07
  That was after my J up. You helped me get past them,
• 1:19:10
  yeah. Sorry, when is bridges OK from
• 1:19:15
  this down? I can't wait for this mid-april,
• 1:19:18
  so another right? You've loads of time.
• 1:19:20
  Yeah, let's go. Wonder if they'll let you live
• 1:19:28
  stream with Dean. I'll like get on the bike like
• 1:19:31
  please. I'll.
• 1:19:37
  Just I'm sure I had something else to mention as well, but oh.
• 1:19:40
  This isn't really part of my training week, but whilst it's
• 1:19:43
  in my mind there was the Liverpool Half marathon, my
• 1:19:47
  local half marathon on the weekend.
• 1:19:49
  I'm not going to go through the results but my like group chat
• 1:19:52
  of friends from back home, which would only ever have been spoken
• 1:19:56
  about like fussy ale like ripping each other.
• 1:20:00
  They've now created a spin off of the group chat and anyone
• 1:20:04
  who's. Half interested in running is in
• 1:20:07
  the stride group chat. They've given it a knit title
• 1:20:11
  and everything so like 5 of them don't trained up and done this
• 1:20:15
  half marathon on the weekend and it's so funny because that
• 1:20:19
  attacks one of them. Has been like asking me to help
• 1:20:21
  him with this training so rung him the day before to give him
• 1:20:25
  like a pre race motivational speech.
• 1:20:28
  Do's and don'ts. I've got.
• 1:20:32
  Until because there's a bit of a hill in there until you get to
• 1:20:35
  the bottom of the hill which is about 4K and it has to be very
• 1:20:40
  easy. No faster than 4:30 because he
• 1:20:43
  was going for soap 135 which is like 430 per K average said no
• 1:20:49
  faster than 430. There'll be loads of idiots that
• 1:20:52
  get too excited and go out too fast.
• 1:20:55
  Don't be one of them and. That is first 4 splits. 4:12
• 1:21:00
  4/24/11 4:12 But to be fair, he, he hung on and got his 134.
• 1:21:09
  So I think it was a bit ugly towards the end, but he, he got
• 1:21:12
  it done. I'm just, it's so funny, the
• 1:21:14
  fact that our friendship group has turned from the way it was
• 1:21:19
  to now, it just kind of magnifies the running boom.
• 1:21:24
  It's everywhere now. Runnings borderline mainstream.
• 1:21:28
  It's popular, it's not popular. It's it's fashionable and it's
• 1:21:31
  cool. Hey, do you know what's not
• 1:21:35
  popular in in the Tottenham Hotspur area?
• 1:21:39
  Football. We don't know.
• 1:21:44
  We've spoken about this for anyone does know Dean.
• 1:21:46
  So follows Tottenham Hotspurs and they are shit soccer you've
• 1:21:56
  even though a good draw against Liverpool.
• 1:21:59
  Yeah, yeah, it's another team of shit.
• 1:22:00
  But Dean, come on. No, that's good, right?
• 1:22:05
  They play the. The.
• 1:22:08
  Look, I've what you did mention in your running week as well.
• 1:22:12
  Ryan was your your great live in person get to meet Ryan and get
• 1:22:18
  a hat from the double crew and you giveaways.
• 1:22:21
  You didn't talk about that signing autographs.
• 1:22:24
  He was kissing babies, taking numbers.
• 1:22:28
  Just giving all of our stock away.
• 1:22:32
  No, we it was good for not to be first.
• 1:22:33
  We had shop run with TRC, the run center and Puma came down on
• 1:22:38
  Wednesday. We got to try on the well, I
• 1:22:40
  tried to deviate Nitro Elite Fours, which I mean we only
• 1:22:45
  jogged in them, but they felt pretty good.
• 1:22:47
  I thought Dean did you? You just took straight off in
• 1:22:50
  them. Did they ever?
• 1:22:52
  Do they ever plate? Yeah, yeah, they're like in a
• 1:22:57
  slightly water doesn't say watered down because it's
• 1:23:00
  negative, but the fast R3 is obviously like right up here
• 1:23:04
  like premium aggression on the edge like every oz where's the
• 1:23:11
  DV8 Nitro Elite 4 is still a racer with the carbon plate, but
• 1:23:15
  just not as aggressive. So it's like a vapour flight.
• 1:23:20
  That's exactly how I'd put it in my shoe rotation.
• 1:23:24
  Like light, responsive, but not as much stack and meaty as some
• 1:23:33
  of those other super shoes, which if it was for me, I still
• 1:23:36
  biased towards a meaty, a slightly heavier shoe that is
• 1:23:38
  more responsive. But if you're looking at like a
• 1:23:41
  regular workout shoe, like when I'm regularly training, like,
• 1:23:44
  you know, the Vaporfly Threes would be my go to workout shoe,
• 1:23:48
  that's what that's this feels much like that reasonably
• 1:23:51
  stable. Yeah.
• 1:23:54
  Not like nice shoe like really comfortable to run in.
• 1:23:59
  And yeah, we've done some giveaways hour in which I was
• 1:24:02
  like, how are we going to determine who to give them to?
• 1:24:06
  And it wasn't like we were just taking one thing for a giveaway.
• 1:24:09
  So we had two entries for a race and five.
• 1:24:12
  Caps. So I was thinking, oh, we'll do
• 1:24:15
  some trivia. So there's.
• 1:24:17
  Race. HBF.
• 1:24:20
  OK, not bridges. You don't want anyone anyone
• 1:24:22
  else on that. One no no entries are closed.
• 1:24:25
  He would have rigged it if that was the case.
• 1:24:27
  We tried to keep it impartial. There was a few trivia
• 1:24:32
  questions. One of them was like who's the
• 1:24:35
  first person we ever interviewed?
• 1:24:37
  And someone remembered it was RAF, which was quite funny
• 1:24:40
  because he was stood right next to us.
• 1:24:44
  And then there's a couple of us who's come from the farthest
• 1:24:46
  away and who ran the most case last week.
• 1:24:48
  So that was fine. And then I stupidly decided to
• 1:24:51
  do this game, which was kind of hard to organize, especially
• 1:24:58
  with like a helmet. However many people were there
• 1:25:01
  felt like 100. There's probably about 25 sets
• 1:25:04
  of eyes on you. And it was like, I don't know if
• 1:25:08
  you've ever like played something like it, but it's
• 1:25:11
  basically 5050. So it was like if you think the
• 1:25:14
  Australian half marathon record holder is Izzy back Doyle, put
• 1:25:18
  your hands up and if you think it's Jeff Stinson, keep your
• 1:25:22
  hands down. And then like it's a elimination
• 1:25:25
  round like that. So we're going through them and
• 1:25:28
  then I'd only prepared like 5 questions and there's by the
• 1:25:33
  time I got to the end of my questions, there's still like 4
• 1:25:36
  people left on it. I think there's two.
• 1:25:39
  So then Raff just grabbed them was like, right, OK, rock,
• 1:25:41
  paper, scissors. So.
• 1:25:43
  So after all my preparation, rock paper scissors determined
• 1:25:47
  the winner. Ah, fair.
• 1:25:51
  It was good fun. Now and I.
• 1:25:53
  Tried to dog. Dean in when RAF free tourism
• 1:25:56
  was like on the Easy Double boys are here.
• 1:25:59
  I said, oh, I speak so much on the mic.
• 1:26:02
  So I was going to see if Dean had anything to say tonight, and
• 1:26:04
  he was just like, no, you're all right.
• 1:26:08
  I was waiting for the FaceTime call never came.
• 1:26:10
  My Internet just wouldn't work that nice.
• 1:26:14
  And I was, to be honest with you, I was he.
• 1:26:17
  Turned it off. It doesn't work on a good day.
• 1:26:20
  Yeah, he's always dropping in and out.
• 1:26:23
  I was I was flying around the place full of anxiety, couldn't
• 1:26:28
  keep still. You're doing well.
• 1:26:32
  That was good. Good way.
• 1:26:34
  Good. Week.
• 1:26:34
  Yeah, yeah. And a gym session.
• 1:26:38
  Were you at the gym last week as well?
• 1:26:40
  At the gym last week as well. Yeah.
• 1:26:42
  And actually when I seen Steve, he was Steve was getting on my
• 1:26:45
  back about not being in the gym the week before.
• 1:26:48
  Because you've been telling them they didn't go, but you didn't
• 1:26:51
  tell them it was closed on public holiday.
• 1:26:52
  Did you I? Didn't need to, that's all I
• 1:26:55
  needed to do. It sounds like it worked
• 1:27:01
  perfectly. But yeah, well, besides that
• 1:27:06
  Tuesday session and then finishing a little bit faster
• 1:27:09
  than I on the last Rep, what have you been up to?
• 1:27:15
  Yeah, I mean, pretty similar really like, So yeah.
• 1:27:19
  So Tuesday, Monday, easy, an easy double day including the
• 1:27:24
  gym. Tuesday, yeah, Tuesday morning.
• 1:27:27
  Did that work out with you? And then it was just six.
• 1:27:31
  So the first 24 minutes, no, it would have been 28 minutes
• 1:27:35
  including the floats. And then it was 6 minutes at the
• 1:27:37
  end, a bit like a bit of a pickup, I suppose, a bit.
• 1:27:45
  So it's still pretty media. It's like 34 minutes of workout
• 1:27:49
  and. I mean you think you think I'm
• 1:27:52
  like in a decent position to be coming back from being done the
• 1:27:58
  212 minutes with me like taking the piss, having a laugh with
• 1:28:02
  Ralph and then when and done sick was 6 minutes on the end.
• 1:28:07
  Yeah, 6 minutes. 308. Yep.
• 1:28:11
  Dean, you never really stopped though, did you?
• 1:28:13
  You sort of trained the whole way through this.
• 1:28:16
  I had three, I had three months where I didn't or 12 weeks where
• 1:28:20
  I had to completely deload. So only cross trained.
• 1:28:23
  But then for the last, then I did basically a 12 week build up
• 1:28:28
  to 130 KA week. And then I took like a week off.
• 1:28:31
  And then it's been about four weeks of 100 KS of running, 200
• 1:28:36
  KS of riding. OK, so I think I'll get started
• 1:28:39
  to turn a corner. Like I can feel myself getting
• 1:28:42
  fitter, which probably segues well.
• 1:28:44
  So Thursday, Thursday morning, we did the bike intervals in the
• 1:28:47
  morning and then Thursday afternoon I was, it was the
• 1:28:50
  first time that Ralph said I can just do the workout.
• 1:28:54
  Yeah, he sort of gave me some pace judge pace guidance.
• 1:28:59
  So it's 321321, you know, 3 minutes, 2 minutes, one minute
• 1:29:03
  times 2. All off one minute float.
• 1:29:06
  No, all off whatever the same same float.
• 1:29:09
  So 3 minutes on three minute float and he said like 3/23/15,
• 1:29:16
  3:10 and but Luke was there and then Andrew was there doing 1500
• 1:29:21
  meter reps and it was a headwind.
• 1:29:23
  So I tucked in behind Andrew because I knew Luke wanted to
• 1:29:25
  tuck in behind me. And then Luke wasn't there and
• 1:29:29
  then I realized I was running with Andrew.
• 1:29:30
  So then after 2 minutes I looked at my pace and I was like 307
• 1:29:33
  and I was like, well I've started.
• 1:29:36
  And so yeah, anyway, averaged I think what was it 306 for the
• 1:29:44
  ONS and three 324 for the floats.
• 1:29:51
  When you say one of your floats, was it 2250 pace?
• 1:29:55
  It was one of the odds. Oh yeah, that was the one we
• 1:29:58
  Luke. Luke laid that one shock.
• 1:30:04
  That's the one thing I don't miss, him pushing from the.
• 1:30:06
  Front. Yeah, so he's the same.
• 1:30:09
  The good part is though, so he normally does that on the bike
• 1:30:12
  and I'm completely gassed and my workouts ruined.
• 1:30:14
  At least with this I can keep running so.
• 1:30:16
  Yeah, you should. You should see the power
• 1:30:18
  struggle, Owen, from a Thursday morning where we're a little bit
• 1:30:23
  out of our comfort zone, hanging on to the cyclists to then
• 1:30:27
  Thursday evening round Lake Munga and trying to bury all the
• 1:30:31
  cyclists who've held us in the morning.
• 1:30:34
  That's it. That's pretty much how it goes.
• 1:30:38
  So no, it was good. And then, yeah, 90 minutes, 100
• 1:30:41
  minutes thereabouts. So yeah, 100 KS are running 140
• 1:30:44
  KS on the bike, training loads, training in a good direction.
• 1:30:49
  Think I'm getting fitter. But yeah, he's just going to
• 1:30:52
  turn off on bridges, isn't he? He's not going to say anything.
• 1:30:54
  And he'll just. Be there 100% no chance.
• 1:31:01
  Just stop. You're just sitting down there.
• 1:31:03
  That's support. Supporter.
• 1:31:05
  Yeah, he can be drafted as a. Headwind.
• 1:31:07
  He won't see me. Good week.
• 1:31:12
  Yeah, Good come. Here we forgot 1 result.
• 1:31:16
  Yeah, that. Bluff.
• 1:31:18
  To boat ramp happened over the weekend.
• 1:31:21
  Former champ of that right saying that was a bad day.
• 1:31:27
  That race to cook to me, it was won by James Hansen here on
• 1:31:34
  2844. Second was half two strengths
• 1:31:36
  off in 2848 and third was Toby Galter from New Zealand in 2855
• 1:31:42
  and apparently like James Hansen, entered this race like
• 1:31:46
  the night before. Did you say he's finished
• 1:31:50
  Celebration? No, by Sir.
• 1:31:53
  He's got good. He's a pretty solid unit.
• 1:31:56
  Yeah, solid is the word. Like Jake looks great, like
• 1:32:01
  Smith, you know, in terms of like how, you know, he talks
• 1:32:03
  about how he's he's he's, you know, balls up to a degree and
• 1:32:07
  he looks like he looks so strong.
• 1:32:10
  But this guy's the big unit. Yeah.
• 1:32:14
  What up to me? Yeah, 28 minutes.
• 1:32:17
  That's fine because it's not the best course, is it?
• 1:32:20
  It's a bit of, like you say, it's not the best course.
• 1:32:24
  But then he runs freaking 2844. Like I run shit.
• 1:32:27
  And there is a few hills when you don't want hills, boss, like
• 1:32:30
  hills if they're not really hills either.
• 1:32:34
  But yeah, there's just two pin turns.
• 1:32:37
  And look, when you're on 2844, like it's not a full course.
• 1:32:42
  You. You've run lawn system, right?
• 1:32:44
  I prefer lawn system. Yeah.
• 1:32:46
  Like, if you had a choice, Right.
• 1:32:48
  Yeah. I'm like, I'll talk here now
• 1:32:49
  with the women's result. Jane Gregson, who ran a marathon
• 1:32:53
  a couple weeks ago. She won it in 3316.
• 1:32:56
  Second was Millie Clark, she ran 34 O3.
• 1:33:00
  Third was Karen Blaney, she's from Ireland, she ran 3427 and
• 1:33:03
  I'll just go to 4th here on this one.
• 1:33:05
  Nicholas Sheridan, she's from like the village close to me
• 1:33:10
  here. She ran 3441, but she was asking
• 1:33:13
  me about the race previous and I was like, look, just use it as
• 1:33:17
  sort of like a gauge, like whatever you run here.
• 1:33:22
  She's I think she's gonna do a race.
• 1:33:24
  In Ballarat or something, then she's gonna do Launceston.
• 1:33:26
  Like whatever you're in here, yours, because it's gonna run
• 1:33:28
  way faster in Launceston. I don't know what it is about
• 1:33:30
  Launceston. It's just a faster race.
• 1:33:34
  And yeah, there's a good few nice Rd. races coming up in
• 1:33:38
  Australia. It's that time of year again.
• 1:33:40
  You've got Launceston, you've got Ballarat, then you've got
• 1:33:43
  Goldie and they're all coming around that Grand Prix that run
• 1:33:48
  Pray Melbourne. It's not sure isn't.
• 1:33:53
  I don't know if it's. Certified.
• 1:33:54
  Actually it's. Fair out.
• 1:33:56
  But I don't know but it's. It's around Albert Park, so
• 1:33:59
  you'd think it'd be fast. Yeah, well, thanks for pulling
• 1:34:02
  us up on that one. Yeah.
• 1:34:06
  Running news Couple of items to fire.
• 1:34:08
  Through Kip Chogi going to Melbourne Marathon.
• 1:34:11
  Genuinely I thought it was like a joke when I first seen it.
• 1:34:15
  I was like surely not how? How is it possible?
• 1:34:20
  He texts me and saying we need to book our flight.
• 1:34:22
  Someone is. Pretty excited.
• 1:34:26
  I'll do it. Yeah, it's good.
• 1:34:31
  That would be good. Actually, three of us.
• 1:34:35
  Oh, I'm. Not fit her on a man Tokyo next
• 1:34:38
  year. Oh.
• 1:34:43
  And but here. How much she getting for this?
• 1:34:46
  He's going to get a nice. Yeah, who?
• 1:34:49
  Who's paying it though? Like Melbourne couldn't afford
• 1:34:52
  them Nike stuff to do. Yeah, but some random government
• 1:34:57
  bigger. Bigger.
• 1:35:00
  Yeah. Tourism games Kitty?
• 1:35:03
  Yeah. It's all that.
• 1:35:04
  Leftover comms games, money that they.
• 1:35:06
  Can roll into a big. Surplus in the budget Dean Elise
• 1:35:11
  athletes sub two hours 23. There you go.
• 1:35:15
  You'll be you'll be having a shit next to Kip Chogi.
• 1:35:18
  Get in there. Have you looked into it?
• 1:35:22
  Have you? I sent them an e-mail.
• 1:35:30
  Not for the elite. There's one down.
• 1:35:32
  I don't know what it's called. Preferred or something?
• 1:35:36
  Yeah. Is this the one where you can?
• 1:35:38
  Pay. Money to.
• 1:35:40
  Be in with the elites. Yeah, they've got some bizarre
• 1:35:43
  thing going on. It's called Ryan was talking
• 1:35:45
  about this on the. Long run and we said at least
• 1:35:48
  he's got his accommodation. Already sorted whoever they've
• 1:35:54
  got on like doing their. Marketing and stuff, they've
• 1:35:56
  obviously thought. This through because they've
• 1:35:59
  like sold out all the general entries fixed all the website or
• 1:36:05
  so that like a direction towards all these expensive entries
• 1:36:09
  announced Kip Chogi and then just like probably just sat
• 1:36:13
  there watching the cash pile in because yeah they've got this
• 1:36:15
  club 42 thing yeah that's the thing it's supposedly only
• 1:36:20
  available for 42 people. So, you know, creating.
• 1:36:24
  Scarcity and fear mongering amongst people like oh it's
• 1:36:27
  going to sell out. It costs like where's it gone?
• 1:36:31
  It's about 1400. Dollars or two grand?
• 1:36:34
  Can't remember which one. You got like a couple of nights
• 1:36:37
  accommodation and you get a guaranteed start in a sold out
• 1:36:41
  race. So I am, I reckon they've sold a
• 1:36:44
  few since announcing Kipchogi. Well, they certainly sold one to
• 1:36:48
  me anyway. But yeah, that's that's a
• 1:36:52
  madness to be fair. Shall I cover the NCAA news or?
• 1:37:02
  So yeah, it's. At the NCAA Indoor Champs.
• 1:37:05
  Run over the weekend. And had.
• 1:37:07
  Tom Samuel, who for a long while we've we've spoken about and he
• 1:37:12
  had a bit of a drought around NCAA titles and he but has
• 1:37:17
  recently won one and very, very, very nearly had two over the
• 1:37:22
  weekend. He was the 5000 meter champ, but
• 1:37:24
  he also was nearly the 3000 meter champ but was disqualified
• 1:37:29
  because in the last coming around the last bend he was
• 1:37:35
  sitting in 2nd and someone was making a move on.
• 1:37:38
  He's outside. And he made my mind fairly
• 1:37:42
  aggressively moved out of the way to ensure that his run was
• 1:37:47
  not impacted, and then did what he needed to do to run over the
• 1:37:50
  top of the guy in front and get the dub.
• 1:37:53
  But in my opinion, I wasn't surprised with the decision.
• 1:37:58
  I felt like. He really impacted.
• 1:38:00
  The run of the third person, I don't think you can just step
• 1:38:02
  out of your way and push a person that's coming around you.
• 1:38:05
  But that's what he did. And so yeah, he got dequeued.
• 1:38:09
  I think he posted on his social some saying is didn't think he
• 1:38:13
  deserved to lose but it is what it is and well done to the
• 1:38:16
  winners so. But yeah, decent decent attitude
• 1:38:21
  and part of his post was something.
• 1:38:23
  Like you can DQ the results, but you can't DQ the hard work that
• 1:38:27
  went into it or something like that in it.
• 1:38:29
  Like, yeah, all the training and everything still exists.
• 1:38:32
  The shape is still there. And he did that, kicked those
• 1:38:37
  guys. I mean, albeit he.
• 1:38:38
  Just made a tactical misstep. I think like it's so hard.
• 1:38:42
  We talk about that, that small bank, and you don't want to run
• 1:38:46
  wide and he's trying to just protect his position, but some
• 1:38:50
  guy was coming up on the outside of him and he basically wanted
• 1:38:53
  none of it. That's the Marco.
• 1:38:55
  That was that Marco Langan guy. So hey, guys, is is not the
• 1:39:00
  Villanova, is he the. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:03
  Which he's wild. Hey.
• 1:39:04
  Yeah. Apparently he was given Jonathan
• 1:39:07
  Gould some shit in an interview. I haven't.
• 1:39:10
  Clicked play on it yet everyone like is not a fan and then I
• 1:39:14
  think off the back of that into you.
• 1:39:15
  See the. Interview and now everyone's oh
• 1:39:18
  not a huge fan but now I kind of love him because you know really
• 1:39:22
  respects his comments and all that and blah blah blah it was
• 1:39:27
  just about like should have been a DQ and.
• 1:39:30
  Did he appeal it? And your man Lang was like, I
• 1:39:33
  don't care. I lost the race.
• 1:39:35
  And then he posted on Instagram June.
• 1:39:37
  Full stop. Because that's what an outdoors
• 1:39:39
  is. And it was good, right?
• 1:39:42
  Because yeah, he's like, stop asking me questions about the
• 1:39:44
  protest. Like he's like I lost.
• 1:39:46
  And the guy's like, yes, but if you got reinstated, how would
• 1:39:49
  you feel? And he's like, I lost.
• 1:39:52
  And everyone was just like, fuck yeah.
• 1:39:54
  Like, what a good attitude. He's like, basically, I tried to
• 1:39:56
  win. I didn't win.
• 1:39:57
  And so everyone respected that. Does he end up saying something
• 1:40:00
  like if anyone's got a problem then they can?
• 1:40:04
  We can source it outside something some points I mean he
• 1:40:08
  seems. Like the Tyler would say.
• 1:40:09
  That he's pretty, yes. Got a fair bit of going in as he
• 1:40:13
  was saying, like if you keep on asking me, I'm just going to
• 1:40:15
  never. Answer questions.
• 1:40:16
  Anymore, he's like, give me some, give me another question.
• 1:40:19
  He just had to move into the next interview.
• 1:40:22
  Interview. It was good.
• 1:40:23
  I don't know if you've seen this, like the second part of
• 1:40:26
  the NCAA is about the division. Three guy, so I can't remember
• 1:40:32
  the details. I won't try and cover it
• 1:40:33
  properly, but there's a guy who is.
• 1:40:37
  You got it. Yeah, I know.
• 1:40:39
  I I listened to the podcast about it.
• 1:40:42
  So he. Was with.
• 1:40:45
  He was with Iona and then it came out that a lot of Iona team
• 1:40:50
  members were getting, what's the word?
• 1:40:56
  Their college wasn't letting them run basically.
• 1:40:58
  But they wouldn't say the. Reason.
• 1:41:00
  Then one kid moves to a different College in Division
• 1:41:05
  Three and then starts winning all these races and beating
• 1:41:08
  records. And then it's come out that a
• 1:41:12
  lad on his old team in Iona took a picture of like his e-mail and
• 1:41:17
  there's like a purchase receipt of like EPO basically bought.
• 1:41:25
  And now there's basically uproar.
• 1:41:26
  Like, did Iona know this before he transferred to a different
• 1:41:30
  college? Like who's at fault?
• 1:41:32
  Like the chap is still running, but the NCAA, like it's such a
• 1:41:36
  high level of running, but they don't get tested.
• 1:41:38
  It's or they have to be on some list to get tested.
• 1:41:41
  It's so stupid. But yeah, so there's a load of
• 1:41:45
  stuff about that. And like, because they're all
• 1:41:47
  underage or I don't know, you can't say much.
• 1:41:50
  You have to hide their identities and this sort of
• 1:41:51
  shit. But yeah, apparently he's, umm,
• 1:41:55
  juiced up but getting a lot of records.
• 1:41:58
  Did you see the podium or the because he's he stood on the top
• 1:42:02
  podium and for some. Reason because he won the race
• 1:42:05
  this weekend. Some reason.
• 1:42:06
  They have like 7 people there so they've got like second and
• 1:42:09
  third as they do and then for 5th, 6th, 7th and as soon as
• 1:42:14
  they like make them all stand there, the other six just turn
• 1:42:19
  around and walk off and then he's just stood.
• 1:42:21
  There on the podium by. Himself.
• 1:42:24
  So it's like a proper protest walk off.
• 1:42:29
  Like it's so easily done. To get this shit like it's.
• 1:42:34
  So easily accessible these days, but yeah, there's if there, I
• 1:42:39
  think what was the I think the let's.
• 1:42:41
  Run guys done a really big. And there's probably a forum on
• 1:42:45
  it. And invest more.
• 1:42:47
  Yeah, across the pond, Duplantis was doing what Duplantis does.
• 1:42:53
  Bests. What does best and moves that
• 1:42:57
  pole vault up a little centimeter and gets another
• 1:42:59
  world record while his. Song is playing in the.
• 1:43:02
  Background, which it's actually pretty catchy and you didn't
• 1:43:07
  have the theme he yeah, he. Jumped 631 and I think it's
• 1:43:14
  just. Crazy like.
• 1:43:15
  Jumping 6 meters is such a big thing.
• 1:43:17
  And he's just so far over it, like he's.
• 1:43:20
  Yeah. I mean, you saw the response
• 1:43:22
  Curtis Marshall had when he cleared it, right?
• 1:43:24
  Yeah. And then this guy's putting a
• 1:43:26
  foot on top. Yeah.
• 1:43:29
  Really cool. Yeah.
• 1:43:30
  And got some track in the news again.
• 1:43:33
  Apparently, Michael Johnson paid himself half a mil when he knew
• 1:43:39
  that it was in the shitter. Basically, Yeah.
• 1:43:45
  It's just this league is I don't think it's ever going to
• 1:43:48
  reappear. And if it does, no one's going
• 1:43:50
  to do it. And I feel bad for Michael
• 1:43:52
  Johnson because he's just ruined his whole, like, legacy.
• 1:43:56
  Does he get to keep the five half a mil?
• 1:43:58
  If so, I feel definitely feel less bad for him.
• 1:44:02
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:44:03
  It is. It is half a season's work.
• 1:44:05
  Half the season got cancelled and he's managed to pocket half
• 1:44:08
  a mil. It's like Ange, when he got
• 1:44:11
  reappointed, what was he? Was it Nottingham Forest for two
• 1:44:15
  weeks? Yeah.
• 1:44:17
  I think got his contract paid out.
• 1:44:18
  This is the dream. Yeah, over.
• 1:44:23
  Here. Umm, I don't know is little.
• 1:44:26
  In Australia or is it? ALDI, ALDI, ALDI.
• 1:44:30
  So basically in Ireland, the UK, there's little and.
• 1:44:32
  ALDI and I don't know, I think. They're two brothers, or.
• 1:44:35
  Something like that but they basically sell the same stuff
• 1:44:38
  and little and started selling cabin plated shoes for £50 and I
• 1:44:43
  actually went in. That's where I do my shopping
• 1:44:45
  get him. I, I feel I felt them and I'll.
• 1:44:48
  Did you put them on? Yeah.
• 1:44:49
  And I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be buying them.
• 1:44:52
  I wouldn't waste the £50 now. And I think Hugo Frye came up,
• 1:44:58
  flew over to Ireland and bought them and he'd done a session in
• 1:45:02
  them. And.
• 1:45:04
  Yeah. What do you think?
• 1:45:05
  It's a review. It's the opera is shit, like
• 1:45:08
  doesn't really lock down. It's really roomy or something
• 1:45:11
  like that. But you can live with the bad
• 1:45:13
  upper if you got a responsive. I'm not if your foot's moving
• 1:45:18
  around, I don't think. No.
• 1:45:19
  You're just tired. Strap some tape around it.
• 1:45:23
  Bit of duct tape. There's the little sponsorship
• 1:45:26
  out the window. Dean just ruined it.
• 1:45:30
  That's. Another one terrace with
• 1:45:32
  Terence. Room I might just want them.
• 1:45:34
  Up but their daily trainers, their daily trainers are so.
• 1:45:43
  No, don't get your running gear from little.
• 1:45:45
  Use code little that. And then, yeah, the world.
• 1:45:51
  World. Indoor championships are coming
• 1:45:53
  up this weekend and Jack. Can't see someone sent through.
• 1:45:57
  A couple of times he done a post because he's been left out of
• 1:45:59
  the team and he wasn't too happy.
• 1:46:01
  A little bit disappointed to be honest.
• 1:46:04
  I haven't, I don't know, kind of like his reasoning.
• 1:46:07
  You're across a Dean or no? I just read his post and I just
• 1:46:11
  thought it was a really like. Interesting reflection and
• 1:46:15
  pretty fair minded, but also, and yeah, I mean I can read read
• 1:46:22
  it. Or read parts of it.
• 1:46:24
  But he he basically. Is just commenting.
• 1:46:26
  That yeah, he was left off the team and might hit the standards
• 1:46:33
  was in the quarter. He'd done everything, yeah.
• 1:46:36
  And that yet was left out, you know?
• 1:46:40
  So yeah, his first couple of paragraphs talk about that, and
• 1:46:42
  then he's gone. It's frustrating to.
• 1:46:44
  Sacrifice quality, weeks of training and spent thousands of
• 1:46:47
  dollars travelling around the world to meet arbitrary
• 1:46:49
  requirements for the chance to represent my country on the
• 1:46:51
  world stage. Something I'd be incredibly
• 1:46:54
  proud to do, only for the spot to ultimately go unfilled.
• 1:46:57
  I don't usually speak up about these about things like this.
• 1:47:01
  At the end of the day, I know I'm fortunate to make a living
• 1:47:03
  of doing what I from doing what I love and there are far more
• 1:47:06
  important things happening in the world.
• 1:47:08
  But this isn't the first time that I or other hard working
• 1:47:11
  Australian athletes have been left have been on the wrong end
• 1:47:15
  of selection policies that that do the athletes no favors and
• 1:47:19
  make little sense is speaking up help creates A fairer process
• 1:47:23
  and gives future athletes a better opportunity to gain
• 1:47:26
  championship experience than it's worth it in my eyes.
• 1:47:30
  And there was a lot of like support from various other
• 1:47:34
  Aussies, you know, commenting in response, either liking it or
• 1:47:40
  commenting it. And I don't know.
• 1:47:42
  I like, I think my first reflection is I always thought
• 1:47:46
  I, I know Australian selection policy isn't perfect, but for
• 1:47:50
  the most part they look to try and select bigger teams,
• 1:47:53
  particularly if juxtapose against like UK, like British
• 1:47:57
  athletics and New Zealand, New Zealand athletics.
• 1:48:01
  So I was a little bit surprised. Like I remember some years ago
• 1:48:04
  they used to have spots not filled.
• 1:48:08
  But a lot of the controversy for Australian athletics in more
• 1:48:10
  recent times centres around who that pick, not that they don't
• 1:48:14
  fill spots. So yeah, I don't know.
• 1:48:17
  Very disappointing. And he's put it so sensibly and
• 1:48:21
  sensitively. Well, especially.
• 1:48:25
  I mean we. Yeah, sorry.
• 1:48:26
  You look at the at the team. So.
• 1:48:29
  He would have been in for the 15. 100 meter spot, wouldn't he?
• 1:48:32
  That was, that's his, his dance. And they're only sending one
• 1:48:37
  person, Adam Spencer. So it's not even as if they've
• 1:48:40
  chosen someone else over him. It's just a vacant spot.
• 1:48:43
  That's what yeah, that's what he says on field, that that's what
• 1:48:46
  pisses me off. They're actually just not
• 1:48:47
  sending. The full team, even though he's
• 1:48:49
  hit the standard he's run for like, yeah, it's bullshit.
• 1:48:53
  Yeah, I I don't understand how organisations.
• 1:48:58
  Like they're large enough and. Big enough and ultimately aren't
• 1:49:01
  they government funded? So like they they need to set up
• 1:49:05
  their funding such that people that particularly like the World
• 1:49:08
  Athletics has had such a good revamp with the point system and
• 1:49:12
  incentivizing athlete to race their national championships and
• 1:49:15
  doing all these things to set the sport up for success.
• 1:49:18
  And yet people can't. Then when they meet, like you
• 1:49:21
  said, I've met, he's like, I've invested a big chunk of my life
• 1:49:24
  financial commitment and the opportunity cost, I'm sure a
• 1:49:28
  financial return in order to make these arbitrary
• 1:49:30
  requirements laid down by Athletics Australia.
• 1:49:33
  So he's done everything he can do, yet someone's decided he's
• 1:49:37
  not worthy of representing the country yet.
• 1:49:39
  These qualifying standards are the hardest standards to have
• 1:49:42
  ever been set really. Like we all know they've gotten
• 1:49:46
  quicker and quicker. They're super fast and he's met
• 1:49:48
  them and he's not allowed to participate.
• 1:49:51
  And it's a quota system governed by the world body and
• 1:49:56
  Australia's not short of a dollar.
• 1:49:59
  Like, how do you how do you not have the funding, the capacity
• 1:50:02
  to fund athletes to participate? It just doesn't make much sense.
• 1:50:08
  So and just. Turns you away from.
• 1:50:11
  It would turn people aspiring to do what he's.
• 1:50:14
  Doing. Away from athletics because it's
• 1:50:18
  because there's stuff like this, yeah, pretty shit.
• 1:50:25
  And then the most. Annoying part is on the back of
• 1:50:27
  it. Like Australian?
• 1:50:29
  Athletics don't even have to answer or don't even have to be
• 1:50:33
  seen. Like they can just say nothing
• 1:50:35
  and do nothing and in a couple of weeks this will be a non
• 1:50:38
  story and it'll be on to the next thing.
• 1:50:40
  Yet no change will be implemented and the athlete
• 1:50:45
  won't have any answer. Or won't.
• 1:50:46
  Be compensated. It's some sort of athlete union,
• 1:50:51
  yeah. But like it.
• 1:50:54
  It just hits him so much harder because.
• 1:50:56
  Like, surely he's like making. National teams in his.
• 1:50:58
  Contract like getting. Bonuses and all that sort of
• 1:51:01
  stuff, yeah. And he's done everything to make
• 1:51:05
  it. Yeah.
• 1:51:06
  It's so not fair. Yeah.
• 1:51:08
  YouTube Diaries is next. Yeah.
• 1:51:12
  So I. Thought I'd throw this one.
• 1:51:13
  Out. Out there so a little bit.
• 1:51:16
  Leftist centre, but have you heard of Alice Bakwi?
• 1:51:23
  Yes, so she's so she has a an. App called.
• 1:51:28
  Forerunners and it's like Pilates and mobility work out.
• 1:51:34
  I was chatting to Susie on yesterday's long run.
• 1:51:37
  I know she subscribes and I know the likes of like Izzy and Jen
• 1:51:41
  tag Alice level forerunners in sometimes, you know, sometimes
• 1:51:45
  they talk about it in terms of their mobility and Pilates
• 1:51:51
  workouts. So they do.
• 1:51:51
  Anyway, gave it a try yesterday during the New York City half
• 1:51:56
  stream. So I was copying a bit of stick
• 1:51:59
  because we're trying to listen to Ellis guide us through our
• 1:52:02
  mobility class house and I and I've got the New York City
• 1:52:06
  Coventry running in the background.
• 1:52:07
  But anyway, I ran much better on my way into work this morning
• 1:52:11
  off the back of it, I think so they're like 10 to there's.
• 1:52:15
  So there's a paid app, paid platform that you can subscribe
• 1:52:19
  to and get much more customized training.
• 1:52:21
  But there's a whole suite of videos on YouTube that are 10 to
• 1:52:25
  15 minutes long. And it's targeted Pilates, like
• 1:52:29
  floor Pilates and like, mobility exercises for different parts of
• 1:52:33
  you. Is this one Izzy puts up on her
• 1:52:36
  story over like a time lapse? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:52:39
  I think we should comment on this like episode if you want
• 1:52:42
  Dean to do like this is you wonder why I've been busted for
• 1:52:50
  six months? Watch this.
• 1:52:52
  Watch that time. Lapse and you'll understand why.
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  Like I'm a disgrace. Genuine.
• 1:52:58
  So Hal's is laughing because there's one way you you know,
• 1:53:00
  when you sit down on your knees and then your knees, you want to
• 1:53:04
  rest back onto your feet. That's sore.
• 1:53:07
  Honestly, my felt like my ankles are about to like pop out lucky.
• 1:53:10
  Like it like an if there's a kneecap in your ankles, it would
• 1:53:13
  have shot out like a hockey puck going to hockey golf, like I was
• 1:53:16
  in so much distress and like opening your hips up.
• 1:53:18
  We just did one that was around some hip mobility and by the end
• 1:53:23
  of it much improved. But yeah, in dire need of doing
• 1:53:29
  something like this. So hopefully it's a regular.
• 1:53:32
  In my life because I. Think I need it.
• 1:53:34
  That's it. This is a great show, Owen.
• 1:53:36
  There's the the paid content we've been searching for.
• 1:53:42
  It's incredibly how like not mobile you need to be.
• 1:53:46
  To run in a. Straight line for a long period
• 1:53:49
  of time, but I think there's a tipping point, which is I'll
• 1:53:54
  tell you what. Oh, and I'll do the time lapse
• 1:53:55
  of the. Pilates and you can.
• 1:53:57
  Give us an insight into your the circuit class, the circuit class
• 1:54:03
  of the ladies, you guys. When you come to Ireland, you
• 1:54:07
  are more than welcome to join us.
• 1:54:10
  Got good music? Go in really good vibe.
• 1:54:13
  What's the group called? It's called Kill tail ladies on
• 1:54:18
  the run, kill tail the area and ladies, even though there's a
• 1:54:25
  lot of lads. Doing it now as well.
• 1:54:28
  Yeah, no, it's good. It's good stuff.
• 1:54:30
  I think the Kenyans are mad into them sort of classes, step box
• 1:54:35
  and you 1K dumbbells everything. Is that prescribed by by coach
• 1:54:43
  for you, Owen or self to yourself?
• 1:54:46
  No. I coach runs the classes so I
• 1:54:49
  just tagged along. Is that his wife does it?
• 1:54:52
  Fiona. Yeah, Nice.
• 1:54:53
  There you go. But yeah, Forerunners.
• 1:54:59
  On. YouTube check it out.
• 1:55:01
  Or maybe I'll commit to try and one between.
• 1:55:04
  Now and next record it's 10 minutes like they're 10 to 15.
• 1:55:07
  Minutes. So how about both years do time?
• 1:55:10
  Lapses. And we can, we can vote on which
• 1:55:12
  one is more flexible or at least flexible.
• 1:55:17
  It's not pretty. No.
• 1:55:20
  Thanks for that double. Trouble.
• 1:55:24
  Any takers? I want Lassie, get to your
• 1:55:29
  turning. Line.
• 1:55:35
  I'm. Feel I'm feeling very positive
• 1:55:37
  now that I'm back. Running.
• 1:55:38
  I don't want to. We've we've been going long
• 1:55:41
  enough here. Double.
• 1:55:45
  Double. Trouble next week?
• 1:55:47
  Yeah, I don't want. To force it, they have to be
• 1:55:49
  authentic. I think we had a few.
• 1:55:52
  We had a few things that were, you know.
• 1:55:55
  Selection policy where you can't select.
• 1:55:57
  Table. There you go.
• 1:55:58
  Yeah, Jack Antsy had the. Double trouble himself.
• 1:56:02
  Yeah, fucking Americans. Call in a pretty flat course.
• 1:56:05
  Silly as well. That sort of wind me up.
• 1:56:07
  That got. You going in at 34 meters over 5
• 1:56:09
  KS, 210 debut marathons. Look, yeah, I mean.
• 1:56:18
  We've we've run over that a few times, but yeah.
• 1:56:21
  Winning a winning it by like a major fairly significant
• 1:56:25
  marathon by 8 minutes as well. Yeah, but I hate doing this
• 1:56:28
  because every good result I think they're dirty, but like
• 1:56:33
  certain like surely they're not all dirty.
• 1:56:35
  Like you have to sort of look at it like she might be a
• 1:56:38
  phenomenal runner. Yeah.
• 1:56:44
  Last. Points I wanted to mention this
• 1:56:46
  before Wells is this weekend I mentioned.
• 1:56:49
  It briefly to Dean yesterday, but Cam Myers is not doing Weld
• 1:56:55
  indoors, right? He's chosen to do Murray plant
• 1:56:57
  instead. And then you look at what
• 1:57:00
  happened with Team USA's qualifying for the 1500 meters
• 1:57:04
  Hawker and the goose never made it.
• 1:57:06
  Was is it Nathan Martin or green?
• 1:57:11
  Yeah, green, Green. And then Luke Couser.
• 1:57:14
  Or. Yeah, so 2 Obviously they're
• 1:57:18
  good enough because they beat Hawker and the Goose, but I
• 1:57:21
  mean, Myers had fanciest chance against those two, more so than
• 1:57:24
  bloody the other two. And yeah, he's I mean, obviously
• 1:57:30
  he's made this decision months ago is it's not like he knew
• 1:57:33
  this was going to happen. But the Team GB as well, I think
• 1:57:36
  Josh Kerr is doing the three K. So the 1500 meters isn't as
• 1:57:41
  strong as what it could the weather should have been, would
• 1:57:43
  have been a great chance. So we're saying Andre Costco is
• 1:57:48
  going to win. Oh wow.
• 1:57:50
  It's open though. It's one of those.
• 1:57:51
  It's right wide open. I wonder if Beamish is going to
• 1:57:55
  do it again. Oh yeah, we set up for someone
• 1:57:59
  with wheels. Is Ruth doing it?
• 1:58:01
  Clashes with school I. Think was the narrative.
• 1:58:05
  He's got a math assignment. G same day whereas how funny
• 1:58:10
  apparently for that Cooper. Look, announced the American.
• 1:58:12
  It's spring break, so he can go. Kiss.
• 1:58:17
  But yeah, maybe we'll we'll put a post.
• 1:58:20
  Out later in the week with our metal.
• 1:58:21
  Predictions and we'd. Love to hear yours too.
• 1:58:24
  All right boys, that's us done. Another long episode.
• 1:58:28
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