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Mark Agostinelli - The Influences and Experiences of Lacrosse & Business · Quarterback DadCast | Intentional Fatherhood & Leadership at Home

• 0:03
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• 1:35
  Speaker 2: Well, here, everybody, it's Casey Jaycox with the quarterback dadcast.
• 1:39
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  Speaker 2: But our next guest comes to us from a former guest, the one only Keith Waidman, the bulging and beastly man that Keith Waidman is, and he recommended what we talked to Mark Augustinelli, who is our next guest.
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: He's executive vice president of the Davis companies.
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  Speaker 2: He's a purple knight, a former lacrosse stud, who also is going to share a story about his coach, who had a dramatic impact on his life coach.
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: Smaller, but, more importantly, we're going to talk to Mark, the dad, and how he's working hard to become that ultimate quarterback or leader of his household.
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: So, without further ado, mark, welcome to the quarterback dadcast.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: Casey, thanks so much for having me.
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: How about that intro first?
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  Speaker 2: Just first out of the gates, dude.
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable, unbelievable.
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: I was impressed by myself.
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, maybe I'll sign a ball for myself today, exactly, okay, sarcasm aside, we always start each and hey, real quick, keith Waidman, that was a compliment.
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: Bulging, I should, I should, great dude, and my font is now better because of you, keith.
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: So I am coachable.
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that post was for me, but I took it as me, so I'm coachable.
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: The buddy Joe can side a few.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: People know what.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: That is All right, so tell me, what are you most grateful for as a father today?
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: I would say I'm most grateful as a father that I had the role model of my parents.
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: I think that's the thing I'm the most grateful for.
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, a quick second would be time with my children.
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: It's a good one, man.
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: Time is going by fast.
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: Today is August 21.
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Kelly Hansen, my best buddy's birthday.
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: Today I'm, my son is going to be a senior in high school and he had his like senior day to day, or they go get a bunch of stuff done.
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like what in the hell?
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: How did that happen?
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: And so I'm going to steal your thunder and I'm going to.
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say I'm grateful for time too, because I'm I'm very intentional about each day with habits, but I'm very intentional about gratitude, work I do in a journal and a lot of it's like.
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I say I'm not like a super religious guy, but I'm spiritual.
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: I'll say you know God, hey, thanks for waking me up today and grateful to spend time with my kids and grateful whether it's like watching the show, watching the mariner game we are in a six game winning streak just saying spending time rebounding for my daughter, whatever it may, be just grateful for that.
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: And so, like I think more thank you for saying that because you inspired me to say it, like dads and we just slow down to be grateful for time, wow, what, what, what, what would happen for you.
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: So thanks for thanks for sharing that one Anytime, okay.
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: So I would like to now go inside the the Augustinelli huddle and I want to know who tell me a little bit about how you and your wife met and then tell me about your family, your kids.
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, very fortunate that I met my wife the first weekend of freshman year of college.
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: So I went to St Mike's for my undergrad and the first weekend of college I we hada mutual connection that introduced us and, often, running from there, we started dating that following spring, and so that is April of 2005.
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: We were officially dating, so we've been together for 18 plus years now and our 10th wedding anniversary is is about three weeks away.
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: So that's how.
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: That's how we met.
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: It was kind of it was ironic, I think we both had girlfriend boyfriends in high school and made the decision, like you know, we're going to college.
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: Let's not get tied down, and that's the way I entered college.
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: And I remember meeting her and going, oh, like God damn it, like I'm going to have to start dating this woman because, like, if I don't, I'm going to miss out.
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: I'm more afraid of missing out than anything, and I'm very happy that I followed my gut on that one.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been, it's been a wild ride since and she's absolutely my best friend.
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: And then we started a family in 2015, thomas and Lucas.
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: They are now eight and six, two.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: You know, when people who ask how's it going, it's like well, we live with monkeys.
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: There's two monkeys that live in our household and they're balls of energy with a wide ranging skill sets, but both you know very different boys at the same time, but at also, at the same time, they've got some similar interests, so athletes, soccer, hockey, lacrosse.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: We're doing the piano lesson thing as well, and I've got a really studious older son and a really rambunctious younger, younger one.
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: So knows Thomas, the older one he is.
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: Is he taking requests for piano yet?
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he can play a walk in a Memphis.
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: For me That'd be fantastic, oh my God right, that would be unbelievable.
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: So I.
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: So we're still early on.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: We're still early on.
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: We were very fortunate to be gifted by a wife's grandmother downsized and she had a baby grand piano and it was refurbished and gifted to us and when it came over we're like you have to learn how to play a piano.
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: So we are like we're only six months in, and through the summer it's been a little haphazard.
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: We'll buckle down a little bit here.
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: But to your point of walking to Memphis, I'm a big, I like classic Southern rock, I'm a brother's Leonard Skinner, a lot of piano solos.
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: So we'll be like driving doc, he brags.
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: I'll be like Thomas, thomas, thomas, this part of the song.
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: So what dad's dream is for you to learn the solo of Jessica the?
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: piano solo.
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I think we get, let's get a set list just growing.
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: And he's got time.
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: He absolutely has time.
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to need some more of those Thursdays, man.
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: We've got to put some more effort in.
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: So we're close, but not there.
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: So maybe you've inspired me.
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: So I know how to play guitar self-taught.
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: The more beers I play, the better I get.
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: I bet that's the story I'm telling myself.
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: But we have a piano that I got from my wife on her 30th birthday that I think, oh, she's going to play it when she doesn't play, my daughter once took lessons.
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: She never plays, it just sits there.
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: It's like art.
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: But maybe out of today maybe I won solo season five.
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: I'm going to play, walking to Memphis and just shock the world.
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: You know I like messing around with it.
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: I will say, of all the things like hobbies I aspire to, the piano is one that like I've kind of made this commitment to myself and like it's okay that I'm not doing it now, but like I'm going to learn how to play this thing and maybe not incredibly, but there's going to be a time when I'm going to have more time in my life and I'm going to learn how to play this freaking thing.
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe, as we, it's August 21st.
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: This episode will come out in a month or so.
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe we look back at this day.
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: This is when the band started.
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: It could be you got a guitar.
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: You and I started a dueling piano bar.
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to need my children to have their senior days and be moving on to get some free time back, but but I do want to play.
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: We are soft rails everybody.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: I got to give love to my dad, roku, who passed away December 29th 2021, and you dropped the nuts standing God damn it out of the gates.
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: My dad could drop the best GD bombs and my sister and I would scare us because it was such intent, intensity.
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: But man did it make us laugh and which, when he was, we would start laughing and it made him more mad and then we'd finally get the giggles.
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: But a good GD bomb is funny.
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not encouraged swearing better, buddy, but it is.
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: It's a growing up as a Irish Italian in Boston.
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately it is a little bit part of the vernacular.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: Oh smoke.
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, Before we go into what was life like growing up, I want to give love to coach Schmoller.
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: Talk about we talked about your illustrious La Crosse career at the mighty St Mike's and I was intrigued by everybody at home.
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: I brought up to Mark about because I was talking about the school, because my son's an aspiring college golfer and looking for spots and saying God, this looks like a cool place, and then it triggered him to talk about coach.
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: So let's, let's give a little love to him and talk about the impact he's had on you and your life.
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, paul the Walth is what we call them.
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: Endearingly, paul was a the first guy I met affiliated with St Michael's College, when I was doing the recruiting tour, kind of playing the La Crosse circuit in high school, hoping to aspire to play bigger and better places, and met a lot of coaches at that time.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: But he, right away, was the kind of guy I clicked with and and they're just gut feels that you have of like these are good people to associate myself and my family with and with him.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: It was day one that I felt that way and I'm so grateful that I that I pursued that motivation.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: So Paul recruited me to St Michael's and it really couldn't have gone any better.
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: To be perfectly honest with you, it was.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: He was a demanding person.
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: We were his second year as a head coach and we were his first recruiting class.
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: St Mike's is a small division two school.
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: We had, I think, roster spots for about 32 kids, which is small for a college across team.
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: You're hoping to have 50, really, oh, wow, I'm kidding, college across team.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: But just the way Title IX works, et cetera, in the modern day.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: That's what we were allotted.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: He brought 11 of us in freshman year and rolled out the balls the first day of practice, fall ball and us 11 versus the remaining 22.
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: We smoked the upperclassmen and he just was doing not looking back on it.
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: You could see he was proving his point, that he knew what talent was and how to put it together.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: St Mike's I think of Paul you asked me did I love St Mike's and I absolutely loved it, but I couldn't tell you if it, I wouldn't say it was just because of the school and the institution, but really the people.
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: And Paul's one of those people.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: That comes to mind first and I could see it in the recruiting meetings when my parents were there asking him questions and the way his body language was and the way he responded and he was like nope, it's religion, then family, then school and then lacrosse, and that was always the priority list that he preached to us before we got there and during our time there and when you got to realize who was your coach.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: I mean it turned out that we were.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: We were being coached by a living legend who was a four-time All-American goalie at Cornell and set the record for most lacrosse, most saves in an NCAA lacrosse games.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: He had 34 saves versus the Gay Brothers in the Syracuse Dome, I think in 80 or 81, might have been 82.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: My goalie, jeff Hannon, will be listing this podcast and he will absolutely correct me because he's much more of the aficionado of stats.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: But I guess I really didn't know who Paul was when I got there.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: I made the decision based on who I met and our relationship that way, and then you got to know him and you started watching film with a guy and realized that we were living with this legend too.
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: And you know, ultimately unfortunately passed due to brain cancer, but he was inducted into the US lacrosse Hall of Fame.
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: 11 of us from St Mike's went down there when he was inducted.
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: We got so tight with one of his brothers, that family.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: He had his first child While I was in college and my wife and I were certainly more than a thing at that point in time.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: She used to babysit and take care of him during practice and it was just really community and family.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: He was such a quarterback for the community that was there beyond the lacrosse team and man, yeah, chills, chills, just thinking about the guy.
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: I mean he constantly challenged a major, better player and I thought I was competitive and talking about him and I was like okay, there's another level.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: I mean this man won gold medals from Team USA in 90 and 94.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: He played professional lacrosse.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: He was something to look up to.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: Not anything I knew about him when I went there and then got to know him as it went but absolutely a model leader to aspire to be like.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: Wow Cool, I'm glad we carved out.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: I got chills at your saying that because I've had so many coaches be huge impacts for me in my life.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: I was together with some of my high school football coaches last week for some beers and it was like they're in their low 60s and it was just such an impact to be able to like just and I love showing gratitude to people who are on the hack for my life and they were like they didn't want to talk about.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like no, we're going to talk about.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: You guys are the shit and you guys made you shape me.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: It's like high school?
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: It's weird how there are things when you become an adult and I think death is actually one of the things that you handle much differently as an adult, which is like a very basic thing to say.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: But I was 23, I think five, 26, 27 when he passed.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, about 10 years ago, and we found out that he had brain cancer and like, let's just say it was like Thanksgiving and they're like you got like four to six weeks to live and he went in.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: And I believe he went in because he had a knee, a nodding knee pain that would not go away.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: I mean years of knee pain and finally he broke down.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, this was a tough SOB.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: He used to joke less we're in these Vermont winters.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: He used to joke with us that he goes why don't get sick?
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Because I'm German and I drink orange juice, and it was just like the funniest fucking shit you've ever heard.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: But he is, he's, he's told he's got that time and we're rocked, obviously, to hear that.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: And then he mustered the energy to hold on until until February.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: But when we found out it was getting to the end of time, it was like I just could imagine myself 10 years earlier in my life like dwelling on it or talking about it with my family, and at that point in time we like called our friends and was like let's go, we got to go, we got to go, and like I got to be there at the very, very end.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: You know, when, like, unfortunately, he was unable to talk and his eyes were closed and on event, like a very sketchy situation for any person, but certainly a young man and you know, we made some jokes and you could hear that he was laughing and it was just like you know, if you can pass a little love along, on someone's journey.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: it just it's really started to cement that, like all right, like life is a single player game, but, man, it's a lot easier when you get good people around you and he, he put together a community that I mean, those are the people I talked to and hang out with today.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: So we, we, we don't get together without talking about Paul and the difference he made in our lives.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: So it's what a what a gift for mom and dad to know that there's an impact to someone outside the home that helped inspire that greatness out of you.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: And so maybe let's, let's transition and and I'd love to learn what was life like grown up for you, mark, and talk about the impact that your parents had on you now that you're a dad.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I life growing up was, I mean, for me.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I thought I think it was normal to wonderful parents with very different strengths, like my mom, super empathetic, loving this wonderful home, so focused on how we are doing and our opinions of things, and nurturing in my, in my father, I was joking about.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: My dad was never my friend until I was about 25 years old.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Like my dad was.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: He was a leader and he didn't put up with any bullshit and my dad would always get on back what are you going to be when you grow up?
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: My mom, like who cares, he doesn't know what he's going to be, and my dad was an engineer.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: It was very like you know, there's a place for everything and everything in his place.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: And he was an engineer.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: My mom was in PR and so so again, just very different right brain, left brain kind of people, but they were a unit man.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: They were a unit.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: They were lockstep on stuff.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: When they weren't lockstep, they would go get lockstep and then communicate to the family and it's just like they were very much a team.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: My brother and I often talked about when we got older, and still do, but, like you know, pre kids and pre marriage.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Just you know we still do to this day.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: But we were always like we're so lucky that we had those parents because we just could have been so different.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: You know, like, like simple stuff of like, when you could like squeeze a line and maybe color outside the line, like they were pretty disciplinarian.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: They ran a tight ship.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: We didn't watch TV during the week at all, like there was no TV during the week.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: It was just like these are the things we're doing and this is what we're focusing on, and I think it was hard at times.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I bet it was hard for them.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Now that I'm in their shoes, man, I know it was hard for them, but the level of discipline then still, um, just, I mean, I just, I thank God that that was who I got dealt the cards with, because it has made the transition to adulthood and parenthood that much easier.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Like I think about you know, and it's not any disrespect to my mom, but I just, I just probably because of the way my dad carried himself, and my dad had a fairly demanding career but always made time for us, and my mom did too.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: My mom absolutely did too, but my mom took some time, like my wife is today raising our very young children before she went back to workforce.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And I always looked to like, when I'm in this situation, like, well, what would my dad do?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Like how would Ralph handle this situation?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: And, very fortunate, I couldn't.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: You know, both parents were huge influences in my brother and I's life.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I had a younger brother three and a half years younger, so it's kind of a similar vibe to the family I've got going right now Do, and are mom and dad still with us?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, mom and dad are still with us.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: They still live in the house that my brother and I grew up in.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: It's probably one of my regrets is that I don't get there enough.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: You know, I get to see them plenty, but getting to that part of town has been proven to be more difficult.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, they're still around and they're taking.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: The boys are sleeping over there tomorrow night, so Love it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: What ages are they?
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: If you mind sharing.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my 70 and 68.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: No 71 and 69, I'm sorry 71, okay, yeah, it's amazing how, like my dad passed at 79, which is way too young, and I always tell people like it's so cool to hear.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: A lot of times at least, I found fine with this podcast.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: A lot of times we don't take time to think about the impact our parents had on us, like you obviously have, and you can hear it, hear the gratitude and your voice about them.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: So I think, which thing is awesome?
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And if there's people listening home that haven't, I mean what a great opportunity.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Think back, maybe, take some notes, call mom and dad, tell them the impact you had on them and they had on you.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I actually did it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I have told my parents that too.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: But I don't, I don't know what I was listening to or what I was doing, but I was on a lot of planes last year, the year before, and I just started typing a thank you note to my mom and dad and I wrote him like a page and a half email just being like thank you for all of these things.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: And I think whatever I was listening to was like why are you waiting for your parents funeral to talk about?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And I was like hell, yeah, like now, especially as a dad, like all I wanna know is that they think I'm doing an okay job.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: And I know, at eight and six.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: They don't only know if I'm doing an okay job, right, but like, I've got the gift of being 37 years old here and can tell them that I thought they did a great job and like, why should they not know that?
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Why should they not know that every day, especially since I'm giving you this glorification of what my childhood was like, and I'm sure for them it wasn't easy at all, or they didn't know what they were doing half the time.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: So, to get the ad for me, I mean, we don't know, right.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: No one knows what they're doing.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I actually did it and wrote him an email and while I was on the plane, and click send, because that's the closest thing to a letter in 2020.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And it did.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I felt great and cathartic, but it was just a great thing to talk about with my mom and dad.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, do it up, you'll feel good and they deserve it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Well, think about how we would feel if our kids did that to us.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: We couldn't handle it.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I can't handle it when I get a hug, you know.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a small act of love and kindness that costs nothing other than time.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: It's a choice.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: As you think about the core values mom and dad instilled, that now you and your wife or they're important to you and your wife like, tell me what comes to mind and then maybe if there's a story or two that how you learn those core values as a kid.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: When I think about my dad, I think about how he embodied all of the structure in my life.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: A big structure guy.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: He was always big on time management.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: The joke, you know.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I remember coming down I don't know when he starts sleeping in.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Let's call it middle school, high school, you know better, but I think in middle school he starts sleeping in or whatever, and I would come down the stairs at 9 am.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: At that time the day's over.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: But then he lost, the whole day is over.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I remember being like what are you talking about Now?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I got up at 5 am today, every day now, and I embodied the same kind of mourning.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: The beauty of the world and what you can accomplish happens in the morning, and my dad taught me that by living example, not by preaching, just by the way in which she conducted himself and how good is that.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I say that to my wife all the time.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: She laughs.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: She knows, and my buddy's joke of me, raised by Ralph.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: My dad's name is Ralph and I'll do something.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Or I'll say something like no, I gotta do this, I gotta get up early.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: They're like it's Saturday morning.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: It's like no, I gotta do this.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: And like we'll raise by Ralph.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: So it's like it's the structure of who he was and like the commitment and fall through that kind of those core values.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: They didn't all come from my father, but that's what I associate with him and my mom taught me how to treat people and EQ.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I think of my mom as EQ, I think of my dad as structure and my mom as like interpreting the world around us and making the correct decisions and how to handle social dynamics and how they change and how you gotta be aware of them.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And I think that the my mom's communication skills with my dad's, like superpower of following things through, have really helped me in my professional and personal life, which becomes at times where there's a lot of conflict.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: And I think what I've learned in leadership is man you really have.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I think as a leader, you're constantly looking to add value to your organization, whether it be your family or your business, and I think what I've learned from my parents through their two super strengths, if you will is that I just don't let stuff get swept under the table.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: It's like I deal with things when they're small, even though they can be awkward, and I've got my dad's power behind me going.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: You gotta fall through and not let that slip through the cracks.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: But I've got my mom's EQ of being like but don't do it like an asshole, and I just think that has been, fortunately, what's really helped me in a lot of what I've done through my career.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I could see you making t-shirts or bumper stickers that say raised by Ralph.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Raised by Ralph.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I know I need to like somehow make it go viral so I can sell enough, but I'm already intrigued, I mean it's the funniest thing I like.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: You know my dad like.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Still to this day I can't call my dad on a cell phone and hope to get him.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: You know, I have to call my mom and she hands him the cell phone.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: He's got a cell phone and he just doesn't.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: He like doesn't care, those things are not important to him and I love the beauty in that.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I used to think it was ignorance and now I realize it's all very much purposeful and fulfillment oriented and I'm envious of that level of peace, I think.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: What did your dad retire?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: They're both retired.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, and when?
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: When do you think?
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Tell me when you thought.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: When did you find Lee that clicked for you of like, ah, that's what he's talking about, about the time and getting up?
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I actually don't think there was ever a moment of it clicked.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I remember being really young and we I don't know I want to say I was right about to go to high school, eighth grade, maybe ninth grade, and the hockey team I played on we always had games at seven AM on Sundays, Like it was just like every Sunday seven AM at BU at the old Walter Brown Arena.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: And I lived in the first suburb outside of Boston, very fortunate to where I lived, but it's only like 12, 15 minutes from Family Park and only about 20 minutes from downtown Boston.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: But I didn't have to get on highways, I just snuck in and we would go all the time and the other parents I would hear them being like oh man, we got to get up early and my dad goes.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I love this.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I was like we're home by nine, he's already played hockey.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I still have the day in front of me to get stuff done and we can be.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: And so there were always like these little moments that I remember along the way of how we managed time.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: And then I think I went to a pretty demanding high school, athletically and academically, and the time management stuff was very difficult.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: They were preachers of it and it was like this whole coalition of people that believed in it, and I already had this guy at home telling me it and I was like, also, he's not just making this up.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: And then I went through my own journey where I realized that once I had my children, that if you want any time to work on yourself, you better do it before your family wakes up.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And so that, ultimately, was my own personal motivation.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's how my dad got there, so it never clicked, but the thread or whatever the feeling was it got stronger and stronger and more validated along the way is probably more of how I feel about it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Do you ever know where that came from?
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: For him, was it your grandpa?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You know that's really I should ask him.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I should ask him, my family, both sides.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: But when I think about my dad I definitely think about just straight up blue collar work ethic.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: My dad was a white collar guy but in a blue collar industry in construction.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: He was a project manager for a construction company that did athletic facilities and dorms for small private colleges.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: His company actually built one of the gyms at St Mike's which he didn't tell me until after I went there I was like this is hence why I got my social skills.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: For my mother we just drove up here four times and it's four hours each way, like what are we doing?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: There's always like my dad always mode his own lawn and every single.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I grew up in a blacksmith shop from 1830 and in a very old, historic colonial Boston town, boston home, and my dad redid every single room in that house over the 25 years that I was kind of living there or not living there, and it was just like you know, we just kind of a little bit of a lunch pail mentality was always there.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: So I don't, I gotta think that probably came from his parents, knowing their background, but I never asked him about it specifically and, as you can probably tell, my dad isn't exactly the kind of guy to share that information, but it's probably worthwhile conversation.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I love when my guests get homework out of these conversations.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I will admit, when I sat down for the podcast, I did put a pen and paper right next to me, because usually I find that you just come up with great things when you're talking it out.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: As you think about, you know for you now, you as a dad, the things you learn from mom and dad and even maybe your grandpa, but what are the things that are most important to you and your wife as you were, as you raised in Thomas and Lucas?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think being a role model is probably the most important thing I think of.
• 31:23
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• 31:30
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• 31:37
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• 31:47
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• 31:50
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• 31:58
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• 32:07
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• 32:20
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• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I have kind of internal mantra that's quality time, not quantity of time, and I think you can get really stressed out by how much actual time you spend with your children.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: And ultimately I don't.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: You know, my dad was gone before I got on the bus every morning and before I got up in the morning he was home for dinner.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Always Everybody traveled for work and I don't think of my dad as like my dad was always there.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: No, he wasn't like physically always there, but emotionally he was always there and like when he was present he was fully present.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: And I think for me that's how I try to embody myself.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: It's like, no, I can be, I can have a professional career, I can be a golfer as a hobby, I can be a great husband and spend quality time with my wife, and it's not at the cost of not spending time with my children.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: It's in addition to and so I think about it a lot of quality time over quantity time and being really specific about it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: And for me that's been come coaching.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: That's how I've kind of really it's like I've got.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I was fortunate to have this gift.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I got to play these sports growing up.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I was above average at them.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I should probably get you know, paul.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Certainly Schmoller made me feel like I owed the game of lacrosse something.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I felt that quite a bit.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I got to play lacrosse in Australia for about a year and a half after college and I always reflected on that experience being like that was all because I met this guy, paul, and this wonderful game that I got taught by a guy who moved to my town in fourth grade and I always felt like when it came to lacrosse I had to coach because I had to give back and it was a great way to spend time with my children.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: And then, yeah, now I'm kind of rambling, but then for hockey, it's always been like I felt like a hockey locker room is the most intense place you could ever imagine being in the world, as what I describe it to people don't play hockey.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: So those two things are kind of how I think about it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: And yeah, tina and I, the way I think we think about raising our children is I do think we think about preparing them for the world as opposed to coddling them.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I think that's a real.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: That's a real like I don't.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I never talked to my children like they were kids.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Not one bit.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I mean certainly less profanity, but like, when I'm talking to my children, I certainly treat them like adults and I don't mean like so they're over their skis.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: But you know, like the whining and those things that go on, I was like, come on, come on, just tell me how you actually feel.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Let's have a conversation here.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: You know I can't, we're not.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: We are very nurturing but we are not enabling, and I think that just the way in which we view our job is really to prepare them for the world.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: It's not for our own selfish interests, like.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I love having kids and I can see you get wrapped up in that, but the sad reality is I'm a little into stoicism, so I get you know that whole Marcus Aurelius thing.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: It's like I could be gone tomorrow and did I do the best job raising my kids with the amount of time I had?
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: And that's how I think about it.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, if I died today, did I do the best job I could along the way, or was I waiting to enter them into this chapter for when they were ready?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: And it's like that's just not, in my opinion, how life works.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's good.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I think it's a good topic and I think, as you, I you know I love Ryan Holiday.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: He was a big fan of the Stokes.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did the Daily.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Stoke every morning, basically.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he goes the enemy obstacles away.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Like I actually quoted ego, ego, a lot of his work in my book I wrote just because it just spoke to me so much.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: And ego is such a killer, specifically for dads and dudes, and I think hate to throw us on blast dads, but sometimes that gets in the way.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Hence sometimes we don't want to pull over to ask for directions or we don't ask for help.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: But I think once we realize we're all flawed, we all got gaps, we all you know, hence my, my font.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Again, Keith, that was probably not at me, but I took it Like it wasn't.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: But I took it personally.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, I'm going to get better.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: It's most noticeable in my recent experience through youth sports.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: We tell the people struggling that maybe didn't play or weren't very good when they were playing and they really are advocating for their children.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: It's like, look man, these kids are eight years old, they're not here, they're no one's going to the show, we're here to learn life lessons.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: So, like, pull it back, you're right and you don't listen.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: When your ego's up, you do not listen.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I hate to tell you.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I sure you know it's only going to get worse.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I do, I do, I.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: It's actually what motivates me to participate, though it's like you know, it's easy to complain about it, but the hard thing is to be part of the solution and it's like, well, I, you know, if I, these are the things that I've been given and I can help with it, I'll do it.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: So I, I can tell you're going to be good at it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that it's.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I coached all my kids until until the game outgrew me and I had to check my ego and say my daughter was a Hooper.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't play Hoop until.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I played Hoop like high school, played football in college Like my son didn't play, he played flag football and he's a golfer Like I don't.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I want them coached by people that know the hell they're talking about.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I could think I know I'm talking about.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Or I could just say you know, then I could, I could see you doing, I did.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Um, I got convinced to do this, didn't want to do it, but I and I'm glad I did.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: It was running a like a local AU basketball association for six years.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you can instill leadership in your community about how people, how we're going to act, how we're going to show up in gyms, how we're going to treat the refs, how we're going to you know how you're going to treat the custodians.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Exactly the player conduct code and that it's funny.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: You said that is what I am.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I'm on the board of our local town, the cross program, and that is my job on the board.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: It's player and coaching curriculum and uh and conduct, and it's like that's where I feel like I can at least make an impact.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Well, the best part about you and in that job you're not making the shit up.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: No, true, A hundred percent.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I'm, and I'm leaning on being uh, or I have a wonderful bank of excellent mentors to lean on is probably the better way of saying it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: So, uh, very fortunate that I don't have to make it up.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, and you can, you can rely on those lessons.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: So I got to, I got to ask about this Um, let's put another shrimp on the Bobby and go.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I'll show you yeah.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Tell me about that and maybe how did that experience, if any impact, you as a father?
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Hmm, that that experience was wild in and of itself.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Um, my, okay, my parents were cool and and and were very supportive.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: They were initially hesitant because they were, like you're graduating college, like get a job, get a, get an effing job.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, that's very much how my dad talked to me.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: It's like what are we doing here?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Um, RBR.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: And after, yeah, and after some I was raised my real exactly, and after some I wouldn't even say a lot of convincing they were like cool with me going, but they and they say we're going to buy you your plane ticket for graduation, but just so you know, that is the last money you'll ever receive from us as parents and my parents were like big on, like cutting the cord.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: They were always the kind of that way Um, so they let me go, um, which was a cool experience, going to a place and even though it's English speaking, it is on the other side of the world and I don't have anything.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I don't really know a whole lot of people, although I did get to go with other college buddies who played, which certainly made it easier.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: But that first night, man, I remember waking up or not being able to sleep because your circadian rhythm is completely off, and being really homesick, like being really like to the bone homesick, and I'd never felt that way.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I'd never felt that way in college or sleep away camp, never, but, uh, but that hit me.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Um, it was a wonderful experience.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I met a ton of people.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I think the way it affected my parenting was I definitely looked at the world through a whole new lens.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: The world view down there is very different.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It's just a very they are um.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: There were wonderful people in general.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: It's just a wonderful community that I got exposed to.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: There was a guy had on my podcast, charles Manning, who was the.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I got so lucky that that was my host family when I was there and wonderful dad, wonderful community leader cannot gladly make an introduction and if you ever get down to Adelaide, australia, he'd love to have you out for dinner.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: He's a 10 out of 10 kind of guy and I got this front row seat of this guy doing management consulting.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: So their view on business work life balance I mean you know those memes you see in LinkedIn.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: That's like you know an American salesperson's like I'm out of the office this week having heart surgery, but if you need me call my cell phone.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And then in Europe it's like I'm gone for the month, like I'd literally I'd emailed Charles this January and he's like all right over Christmas Just being like Merry Christmas, and it's out of office, like I'll be back in February and I'm like just like they live that way and is completely normal and socially acceptable.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: So it was just, it was really good to.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I had traveled.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: My parents very big on travel.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Like that certainly rubbed off there Like you have to see the world through different eyes.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: But I will say that when I got to Australia, the ability to live in a place changed the way I looked at it.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: You know, I came back and my first boss here was like you don't talk like an American anymore, cause I'd like picked up the cadences and et cetera.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: They just have a different way of going about things.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: They are very.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: When I was there there weren't a lot of people necessarily raising kids that were young, so I was kind of interpreting it through the lens of other people about my parents' age from a role.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: They were very un-helicopter, you know, like we get a lot of helicopter parents.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Certainly I feel like now more than ever and maybe it's because I'm exposed to it with my kids friends, my wife and I was always like well, as long as he doesn't break his neck, if he skins his knees, fine, right, like he's going to have to get hurt.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: This is part of the, this is part of the deal.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I felt like that philosophy absolutely applied in Australia.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: They were much less loosey-goosey.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: They were much more loosey-goosey and not so rule following, I got to take my kids back in 2018 while they were three and 18 months old.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: In fact, this morning, my Google photos you know this day in history came up and it was like a trip to that one.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: We took the family back.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I went back for 23 days in November of 2018 for my best friend's wedding, who I met over there, and seeing them being in the lacrosse field that I played at with my two boys holding lacrosse.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: It was just like the full circle of it was so cool and just the community and the relationships being built were so good, and I don't I can't necessarily tell you that it changed the way I parent.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: It definitely reinforced the things my parents had taught me.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Relationships matter.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Get out of your own four walls and don't be afraid to do stuff that's out of the ordinary, and I think the Aussie support that.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: My wife and I were fortunate enough to have 11 Australians at our wedding, so they can drink.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Man, let's say that's the those people.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: They can drink for sure.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Fosters they don't.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Fosters is not Australian, I know right, have you been down under?
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: It's on the list, it's on, I will, I will, I will go eventually.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know when, but every time I've actually had three Australians on the podcast.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, no way.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I joke.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like I'll bring up the fosters and they're like dude, it's like dog shit, we're never touching that stuff.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no one brings.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: It's like you know no offense bud.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: It's like.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: It's like the worst American light beer you can have.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: It's not what they like.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: It is a, it's a beautiful, beautiful country.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: So I had a buddy shout out, donnie Lanky for listening.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: He he was.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: He went to the University of Washington.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: He was in the fraternity with a lot of my buddies.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I went to division two school called Central Washington but I'd go over in the weekends, got some of my wife went and I met Donnie and Donnie after college.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: He went there like you did, but he didn't come back.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Ah, I almost didn't.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I was close so I was only there, and originally on a year long visa.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: And I had a long story.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Short February of senior year I decided to go March 1st, our first game of our senior year.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I'd tear both in my ACLs.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Same game, two different instances.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I tore one in the first play of the first game.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I, whatever rehab did, came back in the first play of the second game tour together.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: So now I'm like, oh my God, I have surgery, the whole thing.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I call the guy.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like I can't come to Australia.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I just had my knee surgery, I can't play.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: And Charles, the guy I mentioned, goes you can come because we still need you to coach lacrosse, because I can't think of a better place in the world to rehab than here.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: And he goes what's the rush?
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And I like that, like just the way it was.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: What a non-American approach.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Hey to that.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Right, like that just shook me right away.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: So I went and around the time I was supposed to come home, I called my mom and dad and I was oh wait, right.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: End of.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, I'm sorry, yeah.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: End of.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, going into oh nine, we're in a recession.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like you know, mom and dad, I know I said I was gonna come home.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I came here to play lacrosse my knees are better, I really wanna see this through and my parents like you know what, there really aren't any jobs here anyway at the time and we're gonna pull it off.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: And my parents came and visited it for three weeks the following May.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I ended up staying there but because my visa started running out and I needed to play more lacrosse, I kept applying for extensions and I'd get denied.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: But the denial would give you like another 30 or 45 days or something.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And then the last, I remember going to the immigration office in Adelaide and talking to the person like look, I just wanna be here through October.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Like can you just level with me and how I pull this off?
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: And he's like look, man, if you apply again, you're gonna get deported.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: He's like we don't mess around, Like they are as liberal, as you can imagine, but they do not mess around with immigration, like they kick you out quickly.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I was like so what would you do?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: He's like go to a different country and come back in and apply for a tourist visa.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I was on a working holiday visa so I could get paid.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: They're like coming on a nonpaying visa.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: So I went to Fiji on a whim and, mind you, I have no money.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Everything I'm doing is like on a shoot string budget.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Go to Fiji, go to the hotel lobby at the time where there was the only place with wifi login, again approved, show up and they're like I get right to customs in Australia and they're like why are you here Into a back room asking me how much money my parents make, why I'm back here?
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: And so, long story short, I was able to extend the stay, but it was.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: You have to really marry in Aussie that's really the path or have a really good work reason.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: But I had neither.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's so cool man.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I hope I mean as sad as I'll be if my kids have to go, but that's how they learn they have to do these things and what a cool story if they actually were able to go off and go to these countries and have stories to tell someone else in the future.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I had someone on my podcast and I was like what would be advice that you'd give a new college grad or someone in that 18 to 25 demo, 16 to 25 demo.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: And his advice was become interesting Go do stuff.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: No one cares that you follow the rules, right, like, go do stuff.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: And when he said that, all I thought about was my Australia experience.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: And when I came back home, like how much it would organically come up to the point where you're kind of suppressing it because you're like man, I can't be the guy who talks about Australia all the time, but it's the truth.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about my dingo.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's so true.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: It's like you really got a great way to get out of your comfort zone for sure.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, I was like asking dad's next question, just to kind of make it even more real is about an area of our dad game.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: We know might not be our best version of ourself and for me I'll leave my guest here.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Mark has a competitive former athlete Patience, wow.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: But I will tell you how these conversations has made me more patient.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I think patience probably hits the nail on the head.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I think patience absolutely.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: And I also think energy, maintaining energy, like sometimes I just go out of the gate too hot.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I found during seasons of my career, thursday afternoon I'm done, like I'm done for the week, like I went way too hard Monday through Thursday and I don't really have a whole lot to give on Friday.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: And you get older and you get smarter and you start to manage your calendar accordingly.
• 50:02
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• 50:14
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• 50:33
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• 50:43
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• 50:52
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• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Now let's get back to the podcast.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn how to do that with my children as well, because if you go too hard, too fast and then you're tired when I do get the time, I'm not living up to my quality of quantity, and so I think it's a combination of patience and keeping some energy and some discipline in the reserves to be present when I'm there.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: I wanna love about that one that you have control over it.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: So much control and you can really reflect on it daily.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I really try to.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: It's easier in the school year but my wife and I are like when you get home for dinner, phones away at the dinner table right, like that's six to eight hours gold.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Those two hours are gold in and working on it.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I think that helps.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: I love that we're not as important as we think.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great book called I think it's called the Billion Dollar Coach that's talked about.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I was doing something he talked about, which is like he coached the Google executives.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I think I'm like yeah, Dan Campbell, trillion dollar coach.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: The book is unbelievable.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like that point when he was coaching, like I think, bill Gates or something like when Microsoft executives and he was coaching his kids sport, like I remember that's when I loved coaching youth sports is like from five to seven I was unreachable and guess what?
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: The world still moved on.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I wasn't as important as I thought.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: You know what else is funny about that situation?
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you felt this way and you have more reps At youth coaching than I do I'm flabbergasted at how many things I'm telling, teaching, trying to coach six, seven, eight, nine year olds, and then I reflect on it after practice and I'm like I got to work on this with my team at the office, Like these lessons.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: We are not doing well here either, Like you know, but I don't see it as clearly as I do until I'm out there with seven and eight year olds.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm with you.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: It's wonderful to realize that you're not that important.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I like to use.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I think we're both.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I'm picking up my little sarcastic.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: So I like, when I speak with companies I'll say, like you know, I can tell someone's got some ego issues, instead of me telling them they have an ego issue, that they'll get defensive with me, so I can't do that.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: But I'll say, man, let me give you a quick phone call real quick.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: And I go all right, why?
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: And I saw a joke, and I'll fake calling him.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: And then I'll.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like we'll pick up.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Dude, he's like you didn't call me.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I did.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: I dialed 911.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: You told me you're super important.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious where you're not picking up.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: So good.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: And it's a little bit of a dad joke, tongue in cheek, but like in theory, like when I left K-Force, believe it or not, they stayed in business Miracle.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: It's the truth.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: You know it's like I'm obviously making fun of myself.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's when we can do what you just talked about be present, have the right energy, realize we have a choice of all these different environments we go into.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Like that outcome.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: We have a lot more control over than we think If we have the right intentions, attitude, how we show up, present all that stuff.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: So loved it.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Ok, I want to know now, before we get into some fun lightning round craziness, I want to learn more about your podcast so we can share that with the audience, and I also want to learn about life at the Davis companies.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: If people have no idea what the Sam's Hole, the Davis companies, are, tell us about you and your role and what, and a little bit about the podcast too.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, appreciate it.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Davis is a staff augmentation firm staffing agency so we help companies find engineering, it and manufacturing talent.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: We're recruiters at our core.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: We're pretty specialized in those disciplines and we also offer a white label MSP.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: It's in our business.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: That's a managed service program or vendor on premise where we will actually sit on site and basically manage an entire company's contingent labor force so kind of a number of different products there.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: It's fun, it's funny because no one knows the staffing industry exists and we all joke as Keesey can attest to that.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: No one wants to be in staffing and then it finds you and sucks you in and I must say I absolutely love it.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I could be doing anything at this point in time and it's a really fun business to be in and operate because you're dealing with people every day.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: So that's what Davis is.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: We do contractors and full-time people.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Today we've got contractors in 40 states.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: We've got an offshore business in Colombia and boots on the ground in India, so we've got the global portfolio and we're experiencing some serious growth.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: The company has doubled really in the last three and a half years, so it's been a really, really fun ride.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, Very cool, and your role is, as executive vice president, telling me about that.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: I basically lead all of sales and recruiting ops and we're about 100-person company, $80 million in revenue.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I am fortunate to get basically have my hands in almost everything, so I have a full kind of global look and I get to work with all the different functions of our business, internally and externally, day in and day out.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Very cool, and then your podcast.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: How can we learn more about that?
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, beers and careers.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: If you go to wwwDavisCosecom, that's D-A-V-I-S-C-O-Scom and click on beers and careers at the top, that will bring you to our landing page.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: I was inspired by Gary Vaynerchuk sometime in 2017, 18, 19.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Got into podcasting and he said, well, you don't have to create content, but you can document things that you think are interesting in the world, and I was flabbergasted, as a salesperson, to go.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I was very fortunate to meet with VP's of engineering, CIOs, vp's of HR, manufacturing, ops, who I'm gonna stereotype for a second.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: They were mostly in their 40s, 50s and 60s at this point in time, and they all were pretty much loving what they did.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: They had their challenges, like everyone else, but they loved what they did.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: And then I'd get to know some of these people after they became customers and then became really friends, and they had no idea what they were gonna be when they grow up.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: They didn't have an obvious career path to get there.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: They didn't follow the corporate ladder, so to speak, and maybe it was because my dad was coming home in high school being like what are you gonna be when you grow up?
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: But I was inspired to be like man.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Here I am meeting all these people in their lives, who are fulfilled, enjoying their professional careers, their vocations, had no idea this is what they're gonna do, and meanwhile there's a whole category of kids in high school, college or people going through career transitions in the middle of their lives who don't feel empowered.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: They think they have to follow this ladder and I was like I'm gonna document this and try to inspire people.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: So beers and careers documents people's nonlinear career paths to help inspire people to take charge of their career and, hopefully, some action items on ways in which to get started.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Wow, and people can find it on anywhere.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: They consume podcasts.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Anywhere you consume podcasts, spotify, apple Podcasts, web browsers, et cetera.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole, the whole kit and caboodle.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I will admit I'm very lucky to have a strong marketing team today, so I've gotten it to the point where I just have to find the guests and do the fun part of talking to them and the publishing starts to take care of itself.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I'm very lucky in that regard.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Andrea Gabby and Pat for that.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: See, I have a huge marketing team too.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Just budget galore.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: So many people it's you're looking at them.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I figured, I figured I was saying that, being like, oh God, I don't know how to run this.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah you're also looking at the custodian.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: You're looking at AP.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: You're looking at AR front desk.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I'm a screwdriver but I actually enjoy it.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I actually have it dabbled with a little AI in my show now.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I bet.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I bet I will say there's a blessing to me not having to know all those facets, but it's also much of a curse, like I couldn't do it without these people.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know the ins and outs of it.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: On the background it's like anything in life, like I'd be really a dumb man right now to make podcasting my career choice because I don't have the foundation of it.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: You know, like I think it's a good lesson for life.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: It's like know your strengths and weaknesses to a degree, and that doesn't mean I can't ever become a podcaster as a full time job, but it does mean that I'm going to have to realize the gaps in my life before I get there.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: So you know, those are.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Those are the way I look at it.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Keep your team.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: I would keep them.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Keep them busy.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: It's a hundred percent.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I'm a one man band.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: I'm having a blast, but I definitely.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: I've gotten a lot better at the behind the scenes stuff, but it's a lot of work.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: It's a lot.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: All right, okay, we'll make sure all that's tagged in the show notes.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: It's now time to go into what I call the lightning round.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: I joked, tongue in cheek.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: I actually show you that I have a little bit of a screw loose and have taken too many hits in college not bong hits, but football hits and my goal is to ask these questions quickly as possible and try to get a giggle out of you.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: I'm going to answer them just as quickly as we can.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: People can't see us, so I'm going to have to be the true judge.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: If I see a snicker or a laugh, then I dub, and that doesn't count.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I know, I know.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, are you ready?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, who would you rather see play quarterback for the New England Patriots?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Easy enough, he didn't give me a choice.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: It is Tom Brady.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, what were your options?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Seriously, like, give me what you're going to ask.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: I was going to say Dave Craig.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Dave Craig is a Seahawks quarterback and has a kid growing up.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Dave Craig is 17.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: He actually played back in Milton College, which I think is now defunct, but he played back in the East Coast somewhere.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, shout out Dave Craig.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, tell me the last song you listened to that your team would be shocked that you listened to.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: This Two Shall Last.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: There we go, there we go this Two Shall Last.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Tell me the last book you read.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: The last book I read and employ every day is Atomic Habits for sure.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: I have that.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: I'm still reading that right now.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: It's a good book as well.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead real quick Atomic Habits in the 5 am club and then when you combine that with a little bit of stoicism for me, where it set me in a wild direction in the last three years of positive changes.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Love it, true or false, you once were gotten in trouble at the Davis Company for body checking one of your employees into the wall from your lacrosse background.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: False Dang it.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: I tried to get a good glow, that one.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: If there was to be a book written about your lifetime, of the title.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: So, damn lucky Love that Now I love asking this question to my guests.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: So damn lucky now.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Is it going to get turned into a movie?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: You are the casting director.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: You can cast anybody to be your next stud actor or actress.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: I guess that's going to make this movie one of the best movies ever created.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Tell me who's going to star you.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Who's going to start me?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Wow, you know I'm not as good looking as Bradley Cooper, but I'd love to think that I have some humor and wit.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: There we go you know to go along with it, yeah.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: BC.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Yep, okay, so you were to go on vacation right now to shoot your wife when?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: would you go?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely Europe, and I know I'm not being specific there.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: We've been to Italy.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: I think it'd probably be Greece or Spain.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: And last question Tell me two words to describe your wife.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: The best yeah.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good right there, dude.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know I was going to go with caring and beautiful, but she's the best.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: It's really what it is.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Love it Lighting round's over.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not a giggle, maybe a teeny one.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I like to go random with people and the problem with the body checking question was I'd like legitimately think it through.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: It's like well, okay, so real quick.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: The reason I work at the Davis company is my roommate sophomore year is Pat Davis, the youngest son of Bob, the guy who started the company.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: And, long story short, that's how I ended up working here, after interviewing at numerous places and taking this as kind of a flyer.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I'll do this for a year and see what happens and, as you, can imagine as a 23 year old in a new working career with a very good college buddy sitting a few cubes away you know, you might have done some things that probably were less than acceptable for me in a corporate environment.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: So when he said that, I was like did Waiman tell him something?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Is there like something I forget in my bath?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: So well, you actually, rather than a giggle, you instill the deep fear oh, so good, so good, so good.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: That will actually been true.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: If there was actually something recently that just happened and then, like I get in trouble, hr, then I, my podcast gets canceled.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: That'd be just really awkward, awkward way to end it.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, I want to say shout out again to Latitude Sitka, latitude 57, my boy, assam, up in Sitka, alaska.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you again for supporting this podcast.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Thank you for all the hospitality you and your team showed me and my crew when we came up in June.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: If you guys have never been to Alaska or on the list, please check them out.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: It is one of the coolest spots I've ever been.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: I saw more eagles I've ever seen.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: I saw the biggest halibut I've ever seen.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: I went to, we went fishing, saw a crazy amount of pretty good sized waves, saw a lot of fish.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: We also saw the biggest halibut I've ever seen in my entire life.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: But more importantly, just the memories from that trip was was so fun.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Mark, thank you again for spending time and it would probably take you longer than I should have, but I'm excited that our paths have crossed and shout out to Keith Waightman for making today happen, as well as another friend we have in common former guest as well, mr Tom Cosnick, which I'm sure people listen to that episode too.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: But but thanks again for your time.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: It was great getting to know you better.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate it, thanks, keyword.