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How to lose a cult in 10 days · The Living Freed Podcast

• WEBVTT 00:00:19.669 --> 00:00:23.030 Alright, happy Thursday everyone and welcome 00:00:23.030 --> 00:00:26.429 back to the Living Freed Podcast! I have your 00:00:26.429 --> 00:00:29.350 favorite Caitlin Dietz with me, my sweet little 00:00:29.350 --> 00:00:31.839 roommate as you all know her. And we're here 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:33.939 to spill the tea, the tea that a lot of you have 00:00:33.939 --> 00:00:36.600 been long awaiting for. And I will say this is 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:40.460 all alleged and this is all for entertainment. 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:44.100 And we will not use real names for the purpose 00:00:44.100 --> 00:00:47.320 of telling you about our cult church. But before 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:49.219 we get into that, let us tell you what we've 00:00:49.219 --> 00:00:54.039 been up to. I have been up to, gosh, well, I 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:57.109 went to a birthday party last night. So fun for 00:00:57.109 --> 00:01:00.350 my bestie Nikki and I'm so tired today, but I've 00:01:00.350 --> 00:01:02.689 also been up to you dude and not to complain 00:01:02.689 --> 00:01:04.849 I've been working so hard at the salon. I was 00:01:04.849 --> 00:01:07.890 triple booked all day Saturday. My feet hurt 00:01:07.890 --> 00:01:10.590 so bad with three clients the whole day I've 00:01:10.590 --> 00:01:13.769 never talked and jumped from one conversation 00:01:13.769 --> 00:01:17.989 to another so much Like I wanted to come home 00:01:17.989 --> 00:01:19.489 and tell you about it and you were like in your 00:01:19.489 --> 00:01:21.010 room and then you're out the door to go paddle 00:01:21.010 --> 00:01:24.049 boarding and I was like, okay, never mind but 00:01:24.890 --> 00:01:27.950 You were off to go have some fun without me. 00:01:28.269 --> 00:01:31.209 Anyways, what have you been up to? Okay, so I 00:01:31.209 --> 00:01:37.269 went to the Caribbean at the beginning of March 00:01:37.269 --> 00:01:41.670 and I went to St. Thomas. We stayed in St. Thomas. 00:01:41.769 --> 00:01:44.609 My mom and I go. That's who we is. We go on yearly 00:01:44.609 --> 00:01:48.450 trips and we've been doing that since I graduated 00:01:48.450 --> 00:01:54.590 from undergrad in 2023 and So, we did St. Thomas 00:01:54.590 --> 00:01:58.549 and we did take the ferry over to St. John. We've 00:01:58.549 --> 00:02:01.030 already been there before and it was so easy 00:02:01.030 --> 00:02:03.829 not having to really plan anything. I don't have 00:02:03.829 --> 00:02:07.129 to plan anything when I'm with Cathy. It's so 00:02:07.129 --> 00:02:09.870 nice. I kind of just sit back and I'm like, whatever 00:02:09.870 --> 00:02:13.229 you want to do sounds good to me. Until she's 00:02:13.229 --> 00:02:16.990 at about 100 miles per hour and I had to tell 00:02:16.990 --> 00:02:20.229 her once, I told her, I said Cathy. This sounds 00:02:20.229 --> 00:02:22.509 so great. It's four p .m. Take me to the house. 00:02:22.610 --> 00:02:25.789 I'm going to go take a shower. I'm going to sit 00:02:25.789 --> 00:02:28.669 on the couch, watch Bridgerton. You go to the 00:02:28.669 --> 00:02:31.830 bar. We've switched roles. It's fine. I have 00:02:31.830 --> 00:02:36.229 no desire to drink seven bushwhackers, always 00:02:36.229 --> 00:02:38.669 floaters with some random strange men at the 00:02:38.669 --> 00:02:41.210 bar. There was one bartender. His name was Jason. 00:02:41.370 --> 00:02:45.069 He was so nice to look at. I would go back to 00:02:45.069 --> 00:02:48.349 St. Thomas for a day, just have a conversation 00:02:48.349 --> 00:02:50.840 with him. But yeah, so that's what I've been 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.500 up to and I guess my children were not well behaved 00:02:54.500 --> 00:02:58.180 while I was gone. They were not, dude. Your cats 00:02:58.180 --> 00:03:01.800 were on something. And I mean, usually it's only 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.080 Kenan. Usually Kenan's the one that's up to no 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:06.930 good. The whole time you were gone, it was Kenan 00:03:06.930 --> 00:03:09.509 and seven. Like if I turned my back on one, it 00:03:09.509 --> 00:03:12.090 was the other one started to do something. And 00:03:12.090 --> 00:03:14.509 I was just the whole time I was like, you just 00:03:14.509 --> 00:03:16.270 wait till your mother gets home and hears about 00:03:16.270 --> 00:03:18.969 this. Like every, every day I'd get home from 00:03:18.969 --> 00:03:21.069 work. I'm like, you just wait till your mom finds 00:03:21.069 --> 00:03:25.270 out what you've been up to. Oh, no, my poor children. 00:03:25.349 --> 00:03:27.909 I did miss them dearly. There were so many cats 00:03:27.909 --> 00:03:31.669 on the island. It was so nice. One cat came up 00:03:31.669 --> 00:03:35.340 to me and just chose me. sat on my lap, I was 00:03:35.340 --> 00:03:39.219 drinking a coffee, the weather was 75, Sonny 00:03:39.219 --> 00:03:42.479 Joe Nichols song right there, and windy, perfect 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.379 view, and I had a cat snuggling on my lap. Could 00:03:45.379 --> 00:03:47.680 you ask for anything else? I mean Sam had that 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:49.539 happen in Iceland and he was like, if this cat 00:03:49.539 --> 00:03:51.419 wasn't wearing a collar, I would find a way to 00:03:51.419 --> 00:03:54.139 get it back to the United States. So I hear that 00:03:54.139 --> 00:03:56.000 you didn't take any good pictures of him though, 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.439 and my mother did get good pictures of me with 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.680 the cat. At least I have that going for me. Well, 00:04:01.740 --> 00:04:03.879 you could say that but then you also complained 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:05.759 about your mother's other photos of you without 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:08.520 the cat That I had to go ahead and edit for you 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.960 Let me tell you we probably took over 400 pictures 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.300 on that trip of me and I love her I love my dear 00:04:15.300 --> 00:04:18.860 mother so much. So I have to be so grateful that 00:04:18.860 --> 00:04:22.120 she even put up with me Because it's it this 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:24.279 happens every single time we go on a vacation 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:26.720 I have to prepare her for the pictures that I 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:28.920 want and then none of them turn out right because 00:04:29.209 --> 00:04:32.370 Why are you holding the phone at a 90 degree 00:04:32.370 --> 00:04:34.470 angle where the cameras pointed upwards and you 00:04:34.470 --> 00:04:37.449 get to see my six chins? I didn't ask for that. 00:04:37.550 --> 00:04:40.569 Or they love to zoom in. Well, yes. Why are they 00:04:40.569 --> 00:04:44.269 zooming in? I'm in the water and I wanted a specific 00:04:44.269 --> 00:04:46.350 picture. One of the ones that you edited where 00:04:46.350 --> 00:04:49.230 I wanted waist up and I was like back up just 00:04:49.230 --> 00:04:52.709 a little bit. And she was like, OK, you're so 00:04:52.709 --> 00:04:55.589 far away. And I was like, just take the picture 00:04:55.589 --> 00:04:59.660 as it is. OK, just take. the picture, please, 00:04:59.740 --> 00:05:02.579 and this girl zooms in. I'm like, cool, I didn't 00:05:02.579 --> 00:05:04.500 realize we needed to see Mount Olympus on my 00:05:04.500 --> 00:05:08.519 back. Yeah, they love... They just love that 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:10.920 generation. Every time I'm on my phone to a stranger, 00:05:11.259 --> 00:05:13.319 they're like, let me just and I see their fingers 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.439 moving like they're zooming and I'm like, nevermind. 00:05:15.459 --> 00:05:17.379 That's why I always try to find someone our age 00:05:17.379 --> 00:05:19.199 where I'm like, can you just take a quick picture? 00:05:19.339 --> 00:05:21.920 I'm so sorry, but I cannot trust any actual adults 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:24.800 around us. No, that's not factual. So many people 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:26.920 stopped us to ask for pictures and I'm so happy 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.279 to take pictures for people. My mother just laughed 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.879 and handed me the camera every single time. I 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:33.980 said, that's the appropriate thing to do. That's 00:05:33.980 --> 00:05:36.060 my mom. My mom always is like, she's great at 00:05:36.060 --> 00:05:39.000 it. really great at it also Sam saying I didn't 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:40.860 take any good pictures of him I have a whole 00:05:40.860 --> 00:05:45.420 photo album that says otherwise so I could show 00:05:45.420 --> 00:05:48.000 you later the proof I took some really cool photos 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.180 of him actually other people who are professional 00:05:50.180 --> 00:05:52.959 photographers said wow you took some cool photos 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:55.079 of your brother and I said I know I'm a good 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.639 sister I guess he was just really hung up about 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:00.180 the cat one probably I didn't get any good photos 00:06:00.180 --> 00:06:03.680 of the cat I will be honest but it was so impromptu 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.339 we're sitting there in a cafe And we just see 00:06:06.339 --> 00:06:08.420 this cat walk around the corner through the glass 00:06:08.420 --> 00:06:11.560 wall. And then I didn't think it was going to 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:13.759 choose us, but it walked right up to Sam and 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:15.860 jumped in his lap. And I was like, oh, my gosh. 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:18.139 And I was at a weird angle to take a good photo. 00:06:18.500 --> 00:06:20.420 And I just want to capture the moment. Sorry, 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:23.060 Sue, a sister for just wanting to capture a moment. 00:06:23.220 --> 00:06:24.899 I didn't know it had to be aesthetically pleasing 00:06:24.899 --> 00:06:28.759 for everyone. OK, it's fine. I mean, we won't 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:30.579 hold it against you. No one's going to hold it 00:06:30.579 --> 00:06:33.699 against you. But to be fair. I have trained Sam 00:06:33.699 --> 00:06:36.220 to be such a good picture -taker that I know 00:06:36.220 --> 00:06:38.420 if I hand him my camera to get photos of me, 00:06:38.819 --> 00:06:41.160 the chances of him getting like 75 % good ones 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.639 are so high. So I can understand him being frustrated 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:46.560 with the one time I was like, let me take a picture 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:48.879 really quick. He was like, there was no posing, 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:52.360 there was nothing. Anyways, I just had to build 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:55.839 my case, okay? I'm sorry. That's okay. Sue an 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:58.079 older sister. We have to build our case sometimes. 00:06:58.220 --> 00:07:00.540 There was no jury. There was no judge. You weren't 00:07:00.540 --> 00:07:03.199 on trial, babe. You're okay. It feels that way. 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:05.079 Just kidding. Honestly, I make you feel that 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:07.279 way for a reason. You do. I have to keep you 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:09.199 on your toes. For once in and once out. What 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:10.699 was I doing when I was gone? Because, like, who 00:07:10.699 --> 00:07:12.199 was here to keep you on your toes? Living in 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:16.439 peace. I was... Well, actually, no. Your cat 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.300 stepped me on my toes. The whole time, every 00:07:19.300 --> 00:07:20.639 time I'd be sitting in the living room, I would 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:22.980 hear something crash and fall in your room. And 00:07:22.980 --> 00:07:26.720 I just... I just knew. I was... I stopped checking 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:28.259 at one point. I said, your mom will see it when 00:07:28.259 --> 00:07:29.759 she gets home. It's fine. I'm not even worried 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.209 about it. I didn't know about the shark's teeth 00:07:32.209 --> 00:07:35.730 though. So while Caitlin was gone, her cats knocked 00:07:35.730 --> 00:07:38.509 over her jar of shark's teeth and they went all 00:07:38.509 --> 00:07:41.689 down the drain except for one. I did end up finding 00:07:41.689 --> 00:07:44.110 another one behind my sink. Oh, well there we 00:07:44.110 --> 00:07:46.410 go. So she saved two out of what, a couple hundred? 00:07:47.189 --> 00:07:51.269 Well, granted I did have a good bunch put into 00:07:51.269 --> 00:07:53.750 coasters that my friend who owns a business wanted 00:07:53.750 --> 00:07:57.399 to trial making coasters. And I had all these 00:07:57.399 --> 00:07:58.779 shark teeth and what am I gonna do with them 00:07:58.779 --> 00:08:01.660 when I move like I don't know the jar I'm not 00:08:01.660 --> 00:08:04.060 a hoarder in that sense. I love to look at it 00:08:04.060 --> 00:08:05.740 and then release it So what are you getting your 00:08:05.740 --> 00:08:07.860 coasters? I already have them. You don't like 00:08:07.860 --> 00:08:10.800 them. So they're my room. Oh good I love that 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.959 because she owns a lot of coasters y 'all don't 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:18.100 You do I don't you do mmm. Do you know how many 00:08:18.100 --> 00:08:22.350 you own? Have you counted? No, but it's like 00:08:22.350 --> 00:08:24.850 the mug thing all over again. No, exactly So 00:08:24.850 --> 00:08:26.970 if you had to estimate how many coasters you 00:08:26.970 --> 00:08:29.750 owned Well, they're in a set of four and I would 00:08:29.750 --> 00:08:32.610 say I probably have four sets Yeah, 16. When 00:08:32.610 --> 00:08:35.389 are you ever gonna have 16 drinks out? Caitlin? 00:08:35.990 --> 00:08:40.330 When are you ever gonna have 16 people? I may 00:08:40.330 --> 00:08:44.710 not have 16 drinks out, but you would You would 00:08:44.710 --> 00:08:48.190 have 16 drinks out right now, actually. That 00:08:48.190 --> 00:08:52.340 weird matcha that sat out for like Yeah, you 00:08:52.340 --> 00:08:55.000 know what? It was from Calico, so it was disgusting. 00:08:55.500 --> 00:08:58.000 I didn't want to waste the $7. That's such a 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.240 waste. That it was. So you didn't waste the money 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:03.240 because it sat on the counter. I drank half of 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:06.779 my money, okay? I thought I was going to convince 00:09:06.779 --> 00:09:09.440 myself to drink the other half of my money, but 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:11.860 I couldn't because you know what? I really like 00:09:11.860 --> 00:09:15.049 yellow canaries or canary yellows matcha. And 00:09:15.049 --> 00:09:18.090 I thought, Talico has to do matcha well, at least 00:09:18.090 --> 00:09:20.409 because their coffee is disgusting. I have heard 00:09:20.409 --> 00:09:22.730 they do good matcha, so I'm kind of surprised 00:09:22.730 --> 00:09:26.029 by that. And I thought, no, it was the same people 00:09:26.029 --> 00:09:29.529 that like their coffee, though. Yes. I should 00:09:29.529 --> 00:09:31.509 have known. No, no, it's the same people who 00:09:31.509 --> 00:09:33.590 who like their creamer with a little bit of coffee 00:09:33.590 --> 00:09:37.149 at that coffee shop. That's just scented coffee. 00:09:37.289 --> 00:09:40.129 It was just scented. It's just like milk with 00:09:40.129 --> 00:09:44.120 a little bit of grass. A whisper. A whisper of 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:46.120 grass. And this was having like a strawberry 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:48.659 like taste to it. And I was like, yeah, I taste 00:09:48.659 --> 00:09:50.779 even more of a whisper of a strawberry drop of 00:09:50.779 --> 00:09:53.840 strawberry. You know, made a really good matcha 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:57.080 and I'm not a matcha person is that coffee truck 00:09:57.080 --> 00:10:00.720 that was at our previous church. Did they really? 00:10:00.940 --> 00:10:03.820 Mm hmm. Speaking well, we'll get into the previous 00:10:03.820 --> 00:10:05.340 church. Let's talk about what's in what's out 00:10:05.340 --> 00:10:10.620 really quick. My what's in is this is how I already 00:10:10.620 --> 00:10:16.269 had one. Oh, steak. I am on my period, so my 00:10:16.269 --> 00:10:18.470 thing is to have a steak and carbs. So we went 00:10:18.470 --> 00:10:21.409 to Texas Red House and I got a steak and I ate, 00:10:21.409 --> 00:10:24.350 what, three rolls? You did. Yeah, I went ham 00:10:24.350 --> 00:10:27.389 on those rolls. I went ham on my prime rib. Did 00:10:27.389 --> 00:10:29.529 you go ham on your prime rib? I did. I needed 00:10:29.529 --> 00:10:33.389 that so bad. Yeah, it hit hard, dude. And my 00:10:33.389 --> 00:10:37.269 what's out is staying out past 12 a .m. I'm not 00:10:37.269 --> 00:10:40.490 built for that life anymore. I went out for Nikki's 00:10:40.490 --> 00:10:42.490 birthday and I was like, this is so fun. It hit 00:10:42.490 --> 00:10:45.129 like 9 15. I was like, I'm ready to go home. 00:10:45.649 --> 00:10:48.809 And then it hit like 10 30. And I was like, how 00:10:48.809 --> 00:10:51.090 do we get the show on the road? And then I remembered 00:10:51.090 --> 00:10:53.429 my New Year's resolution is like, enjoy the moment 00:10:53.429 --> 00:10:55.409 with my friends and not be counting down to leave. 00:10:55.450 --> 00:10:58.090 So then I had to like switch how my brain was 00:10:58.090 --> 00:11:01.210 thinking. And then we went from being like, Like, 00:11:01.370 --> 00:11:03.269 I can't wait to go home to, yeah, let's have 00:11:03.269 --> 00:11:06.090 one more drink at Satellite and hang out with 00:11:06.090 --> 00:11:09.389 Professor Dubs. And then it got to be 1 o 'clock 00:11:09.389 --> 00:11:11.409 and I was like, no, I need to be in bed. I have 00:11:11.409 --> 00:11:13.470 got annihilated in bed and thought, never again. 00:11:13.570 --> 00:11:15.610 And I woke up this morning at 9 a .m. and thought, 00:11:15.990 --> 00:11:18.389 yeah, I'm not built for this life anymore. Yeah, 00:11:18.389 --> 00:11:21.809 you slept in for a while. Yeah, until 9 o 'clock. 00:11:21.809 --> 00:11:23.210 I was thinking for a minute I had to check your 00:11:23.210 --> 00:11:25.350 location to see if you decided to go do something 00:11:25.350 --> 00:11:28.509 really early this morning. No, I literally slept 00:11:28.509 --> 00:11:32.409 in to 9 o 'clock. No, it was almost 10. No, I 00:11:32.409 --> 00:11:34.450 was awake, which is when I came out. I was like, 00:11:34.490 --> 00:11:36.129 I didn't even know you were up because you were 00:11:36.129 --> 00:11:38.830 so quiet. I heard the vacuum going, but it goes 00:11:38.830 --> 00:11:41.570 randomly. So I was like, oh, I wonder if she 00:11:41.570 --> 00:11:43.789 decided to start the vacuum for like, for some 00:11:43.789 --> 00:11:45.289 reason, but I didn't hear you come out of your 00:11:45.289 --> 00:11:47.769 room. So when I heard like finally heard you 00:11:47.769 --> 00:11:49.250 moving around and I could smell the food, I was 00:11:49.250 --> 00:11:51.370 like, oh, no, she's up. So then I got up to come 00:11:51.370 --> 00:11:53.879 hang out with you. Aww. But I'd been awake scrolling 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:56.679 TikTok for like an hour. Oh my god, my breakfast 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:00.259 was so good too. Is that what your what is in? 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.480 No, my breakfast was so good. Okay, what's your 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.460 what's in? My what's in is P .D .O. and use a 00:12:07.460 --> 00:12:09.779 get. Yes. Because as someone that's about to 00:12:09.779 --> 00:12:12.000 quit their job and if you don't use your P .D 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:16.279 .O., you only get 75 % of it back in pay. Oh. 00:12:16.620 --> 00:12:19.259 Isn't that crazy? Yeah, I would use it all. Yeah, 00:12:19.259 --> 00:12:22.480 so I'm actually in the negative. Oh, good. I 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.600 love that for you. So yeah, use my PDO to go 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:30.139 on this vacation and I'm using it in a few more 00:12:30.139 --> 00:12:33.799 days to just kind of have a staycation out in 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:37.440 Bergaw, which is so nice. I only am working eight 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:40.539 days in March. Honestly, I love that for you. 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:42.019 What a win. But I'm getting paid for the full 00:12:42.019 --> 00:12:45.379 month and I also got a raise and a bonus. Oh, 00:12:45.779 --> 00:12:47.899 it was really nice. Wow. So people might be wondering 00:12:47.899 --> 00:12:52.460 where you're quitting then. And my what's out 00:12:52.460 --> 00:12:57.259 is work. If you couldn't tell by the lack of 00:12:57.259 --> 00:13:00.039 my presence at work, if anyone from my job is 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:02.740 watching, listening to this, I don't want to 00:13:02.740 --> 00:13:07.919 be there anymore. And what to leave? Help. Help 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:12.340 me, please. No, I love my job so much. I just 00:13:12.340 --> 00:13:14.460 am so ready for this next chapter, I think, that 00:13:14.460 --> 00:13:17.129 I... I'm so clocked out every single time I walk 00:13:17.129 --> 00:13:19.750 into this job. And the amount of gossip that's 00:13:19.750 --> 00:13:21.470 been going around lately, I just can't hear it 00:13:21.470 --> 00:13:24.049 because I hear all the sides because I'm friends 00:13:24.049 --> 00:13:26.769 with everybody. I genuinely enjoy everybody. 00:13:27.129 --> 00:13:29.409 But everyone's always got an issue with somebody 00:13:29.409 --> 00:13:33.110 at some point. And I hear all the sides of it 00:13:33.110 --> 00:13:36.649 as enjoyable as it is. Don't want to hear it 00:13:36.649 --> 00:13:39.149 anymore. Yeah, dude, that's hard. I'm so lucky 00:13:39.149 --> 00:13:42.090 because where I work, there's no gossip. It's 00:13:42.090 --> 00:13:45.539 the easiest best place for me to work. It's Which 00:13:45.539 --> 00:13:47.539 makes it hard, so I guess we'll get into the 00:13:47.539 --> 00:13:52.879 news. So... I'm not crying if anybody wants to 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.960 know. We all know Kaitlyn is moving to Greenville, 00:13:57.539 --> 00:14:02.179 North Carolina for PT school. And I have decided 00:14:02.179 --> 00:14:06.659 to move to Florida at the end of the summer. 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.960 And why that is hard is I've always said my job 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:14.950 and my church would keep me here. And then I 00:14:14.950 --> 00:14:17.070 still love my job. I'm obsessed with my job. 00:14:17.509 --> 00:14:21.149 But as we have all heard, our church is a cult. 00:14:21.250 --> 00:14:24.330 So I was sitting at church one Sunday. You weren't 00:14:24.330 --> 00:14:26.309 serving in kids. I was sitting with Claudia and 00:14:26.309 --> 00:14:28.730 Haley and I was having such a good Sunday and 00:14:28.730 --> 00:14:30.529 I was like, today's the best Sunday. Like someone 00:14:30.529 --> 00:14:33.909 was. Yeah. I was like, I haven't really enjoyed 00:14:33.909 --> 00:14:35.490 church in a while. It's been really weird here 00:14:35.490 --> 00:14:37.490 lately. But like today was such a good Sunday. 00:14:37.669 --> 00:14:40.049 How am I supposed to leave this church? And then 00:14:40.049 --> 00:14:44.450 Monday morning, I woke up. and Facebook chose 00:14:44.450 --> 00:14:48.730 violence. So I guess let's dive into this week's 00:14:48.730 --> 00:14:59.169 episode, huh? So I was scrolling Facebook as 00:14:59.169 --> 00:15:01.330 one does. Actually, I've never been a big Facebook 00:15:01.330 --> 00:15:03.409 person, but lately I've become a huge Facebook 00:15:03.409 --> 00:15:06.710 person. I am a Facebook person through and through. 00:15:06.710 --> 00:15:10.909 No, you're a Facebook Marketplace person. I love 00:15:10.909 --> 00:15:13.169 me some Marketplace. Am I bored? Marketplace. 00:15:13.350 --> 00:15:15.590 Am I busy? Marketplace. Yeah. Do I feel like 00:15:15.590 --> 00:15:18.429 shopping? Marketplace. Never Amazon. It's always 00:15:18.429 --> 00:15:21.190 Marketplace. I feel like I'm saving the world 00:15:21.190 --> 00:15:23.889 a little bit. One piece of used furniture at 00:15:23.889 --> 00:15:25.570 a time. Yeah. You'll be like, do I need these 00:15:25.570 --> 00:15:27.269 coffee mugs? No. And you're like, but they're 00:15:27.269 --> 00:15:29.470 on Facebook Marketplace for two dollars. And 00:15:29.470 --> 00:15:33.980 I'm like, OK, and do we need them? Like, no, 00:15:34.059 --> 00:15:36.820 we don't. Next it's gonna be like, I found these 00:15:36.820 --> 00:15:41.580 coasters. Okay, so I'm scrolling Facebook and 00:15:41.580 --> 00:15:43.860 it was in a group, like a Facebook group that 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:46.299 I'm not a part of and I think the group was private, 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:49.440 isn't it? It's the North Carolina Hampstead Community 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:52.240 page. Yeah, if anyone wants to look it up. Anyways, 00:15:52.259 --> 00:15:53.899 so I'm scrolling and it pops up randomly and 00:15:53.899 --> 00:15:56.580 it's like, this local church is a cult. And I 00:15:56.580 --> 00:16:00.399 was like, catch my eye, why don't you? I love, 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.759 I love reading the drama in the tea. it was like 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:05.679 the local pastors believe that they're here to 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:08.740 fulfill like a 50 year old prophecy and They're 00:16:08.740 --> 00:16:10.899 not forthcoming with the finances. They don't 00:16:10.899 --> 00:16:12.820 have members, which means that they don't have 00:16:12.820 --> 00:16:16.080 to be forthcoming with the finances They are 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.740 basically like an MLM speaking which most of 00:16:18.740 --> 00:16:21.799 the leadership are in an MLM and if you stop 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:23.960 selling or like if you don't offer to buy whatever 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:25.940 they're selling you like they stop talking to 00:16:25.940 --> 00:16:28.340 you and then the comments are like this one person 00:16:28.340 --> 00:16:30.960 was like yeah, they lured my wife and to being 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.820 friends with them and then When she said she 00:16:34.820 --> 00:16:36.399 didn't want to buy their product, they accused 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:38.860 her of having a demon enter in her or something. 00:16:40.139 --> 00:16:43.019 I was like, this is crazy. So I kept reading 00:16:43.019 --> 00:16:45.639 and there was just so much tea. One was like 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:49.639 the Easter last year. They had at the baptisms, 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.899 we played Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus, which don't 00:16:52.899 --> 00:16:54.600 get me. No, Taylor Swift. And don't get me wrong. 00:16:55.100 --> 00:16:59.179 I love a poker face. Poker face comes on and 00:16:59.179 --> 00:17:03.000 I'm like, paper ring. Yeah. Paper rigs, I love 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.960 paper rigs. Like if you baptize me to paper rigs, 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:09.200 pop off. I'm just kidding. But anyways, when 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.059 someone asked leadership about it, they said, 00:17:11.299 --> 00:17:12.920 there's a higher plan in place that you just 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:17.019 don't understand and we don't have to like explain 00:17:17.019 --> 00:17:20.680 ourselves to you. I was like, that's crazy. So 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:22.299 anyways, I like continue to get more and more 00:17:22.299 --> 00:17:25.319 information and it's my church. It's a church 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:27.339 we go to and we're not gonna say the name of 00:17:27.339 --> 00:17:30.609 our church. But if you know you know, and we're 00:17:30.609 --> 00:17:32.630 not missing the true names of the people that 00:17:32.630 --> 00:17:35.009 we will be referencing in these stories Just 00:17:35.009 --> 00:17:37.349 so y 'all know they could literally just go back 00:17:37.349 --> 00:17:40.569 to old podcasts. They could figure it out y 'all 00:17:40.569 --> 00:17:45.529 could but Just so this is here. This is for entertainment. 00:17:45.730 --> 00:17:50.289 This is all a ledge and Yeah, so anyways, I come 00:17:50.289 --> 00:17:52.490 home and I have to tell Caitlin Caitlin. Will 00:17:52.490 --> 00:17:56.630 you take a sip of your wine? I needed the wine 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:59.900 to emotionally prepare myself for this whirlwind. 00:18:00.299 --> 00:18:04.740 So as I sat down my cabs at, I don't know what 00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:07.119 day it was, but you came home. Oh, it was a Monday. 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:09.579 Was it a Monday? You know what? I feel like I 00:18:09.579 --> 00:18:12.619 remember it being a Monday. So of course, I'm 00:18:12.619 --> 00:18:15.259 Jay Chillin on the couch here. I'm lying about 00:18:15.259 --> 00:18:18.759 per usual. Scroll on my phone. I've got something. 00:18:18.819 --> 00:18:20.480 No, I don't have anything on the TV. I don't 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:21.779 want to sleep. You never have anything on the 00:18:21.779 --> 00:18:26.910 TV. unless you do. But I think I was scrolling 00:18:26.910 --> 00:18:28.869 my phone or reading a book. What are the other? 00:18:29.630 --> 00:18:33.549 And you come in and you're like, welcome. I'm 00:18:33.549 --> 00:18:38.269 like, welcome home. You never say welcome. I 00:18:38.269 --> 00:18:40.890 always say it to you. But you're like, I'm home. 00:18:41.289 --> 00:18:45.630 So she comes in and she puts her stuff down and 00:18:45.630 --> 00:18:48.970 is like, let me tell you about the tea I found 00:18:48.970 --> 00:18:54.250 out today at work. I'm sad. I said, Please, tell 00:18:54.250 --> 00:18:56.230 me everything. I immediately said everything 00:18:56.230 --> 00:19:02.210 that I have down and I'm all ears. Like, my Mickey 00:19:02.210 --> 00:19:04.630 Mouse ears, they're on and they are ready to 00:19:04.630 --> 00:19:09.950 listen. And so she goes, she starts off, so I 00:19:09.950 --> 00:19:13.650 read this Facebook post. It's about this church 00:19:13.650 --> 00:19:17.089 in the local area and the head pastors believe 00:19:17.089 --> 00:19:19.769 that they're here to fulfill a 50 year prophecy. 00:19:20.410 --> 00:19:22.670 And I, like, don't tell her the name of the church, 00:19:22.869 --> 00:19:25.130 y 'all. Like, I'm setting the scene. I, like, 00:19:25.309 --> 00:19:27.369 don't say anything. I'm like, there's just a 00:19:27.369 --> 00:19:29.089 local church in town that I have to tell you 00:19:29.089 --> 00:19:32.250 the tea about. Yes. And so I'm sat. I was like, 00:19:32.349 --> 00:19:37.150 oh my gosh, yes. Then she continues on and you 00:19:37.150 --> 00:19:40.930 add more things into it and you're like, yeah, 00:19:40.930 --> 00:19:42.849 so they also don't have members of the church 00:19:42.849 --> 00:19:47.390 and they don't have to be upfront about where 00:19:47.390 --> 00:19:51.650 their finances go. And I'm thinking, that is 00:19:51.650 --> 00:19:54.089 really weird. All the churches I have grown up 00:19:54.089 --> 00:19:56.710 in, they have yearly if not a monthly budget 00:19:56.710 --> 00:20:00.269 come out where they kind of give their members 00:20:00.269 --> 00:20:05.170 a review of everything that's being used. Yeah, 00:20:05.230 --> 00:20:07.890 and where it's going in order to benefit the 00:20:07.890 --> 00:20:11.769 community, the church, the church body, whatever 00:20:11.769 --> 00:20:15.650 it is. And I was like, wow, that is so weird. 00:20:16.510 --> 00:20:21.650 And you also added one part where you had said 00:20:21.650 --> 00:20:25.549 they don't have the church members and how the 00:20:25.549 --> 00:20:29.150 church members make up the body of the church 00:20:29.150 --> 00:20:32.650 in order to have the leadership kind of have 00:20:32.650 --> 00:20:35.930 that discretion on all these people are like 00:20:35.930 --> 00:20:37.650 looking at us and they know what we're doing 00:20:37.650 --> 00:20:39.910 and every step that we're taking. Yeah, so people 00:20:39.910 --> 00:20:42.569 that aren't members of the church feel comfortable 00:20:42.569 --> 00:20:44.809 like following a church body like that because 00:20:44.809 --> 00:20:49.140 they have like That line yeah of like where things 00:20:49.140 --> 00:20:51.980 go because there's different people what's the 00:20:51.980 --> 00:20:55.119 word accountability there's accountability yeah 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:58.019 there's also no board for this shirt you told 00:20:58.019 --> 00:21:01.759 me so or not there was a board was a baby laughing 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:04.140 and now their new board is their closest friends 00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:08.140 yes in leadership not outside of the church in 00:21:08.140 --> 00:21:13.720 leadership yes and on a side note. what you didn't 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:16.200 add at this point, but we found out later on 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:20.180 that connects to this is that all of the churches 00:21:20.180 --> 00:21:22.519 in the surrounding area of Wilmington typically 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:25.039 get together and have conversation, they pray 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:27.039 over each other, they kind of just like build 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:29.359 each other up. This church was not a part of 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:34.019 that. No. But yeah, as I'm like giving her information, 00:21:34.339 --> 00:21:35.859 I'd like tell her two or three things. I'd be 00:21:35.859 --> 00:21:37.559 like, doesn't that sound like a cult? And you'd 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:41.000 be like, Yeah, I was adding up to it. I was like, 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:43.359 oh my gosh, this is insane. Um, this is gonna 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:46.819 be such a weird like Breakthrough whenever I 00:21:46.819 --> 00:21:49.200 find out like what's going on. I'm gonna need 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:51.680 more tea We're gonna have to get everyone involved 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:54.000 in this because I'm a sucker for some tea. Let 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:57.559 me tell you so you finish it off with some other 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:03.099 things and You were like Doesn't that sound like 00:22:03.099 --> 00:22:05.619 a cult?" And I was like, oh my god, absolutely 00:22:05.619 --> 00:22:08.019 it does. You said those poor people. Those poor 00:22:08.019 --> 00:22:09.380 people. You were like, those poor people that 00:22:09.380 --> 00:22:11.480 go to that church. I said, oh my goodness, they 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:17.539 need help. And you go, good, it's beep. She goes, 00:22:17.740 --> 00:22:21.539 good, it's beep. So yeah, you just like drop 00:22:21.539 --> 00:22:25.400 the bomb and my jaw hits the ground. Hits the 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:28.079 ground. I will say you gave me the reaction I 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:31.450 was looking for. You gave it now. I didn't give 00:22:31.450 --> 00:22:34.049 it to you that way to get that reaction I gave 00:22:34.049 --> 00:22:35.190 it to you because I thought I was gonna have 00:22:35.190 --> 00:22:37.450 to convince you I like all day I've been prepping 00:22:37.450 --> 00:22:38.990 myself. I'm like, I'm not gonna have to commit 00:22:38.990 --> 00:22:41.769 to Caitlin to leave this church with me She started 00:22:41.769 --> 00:22:44.029 going it like took off a work on Sundays to go 00:22:44.029 --> 00:22:46.869 to church. She loves this church I had been feeling 00:22:46.869 --> 00:22:48.490 kind of iffy about the church, but I really kept 00:22:48.490 --> 00:22:50.650 going because you love the church And then I 00:22:50.650 --> 00:22:52.450 told you this and your jaw hit the ground and 00:22:52.450 --> 00:22:55.410 you said, you know The last few months I've been 00:22:55.410 --> 00:22:57.150 thinking something was off and that this church 00:22:57.150 --> 00:22:59.509 was weird, but I've been going for you. I was 00:22:59.509 --> 00:23:03.690 like, I've been going for you. What do you mean? 00:23:04.450 --> 00:23:07.390 What do you mean? And then you were like, we 00:23:07.390 --> 00:23:10.289 have to text Claudia. Immediately. And Hailey. 00:23:10.710 --> 00:23:13.710 I said, I said we need to tell Hailey that she 00:23:13.710 --> 00:23:16.289 was so right and we have to apologize. And we 00:23:16.289 --> 00:23:19.170 have to tell Claudia in a discreet manner so 00:23:19.170 --> 00:23:23.609 that she also GTFO. Yeah. And then Claudia. I 00:23:23.609 --> 00:23:25.349 felt like Claudia straight up did not believe 00:23:25.349 --> 00:23:31.150 us. So I texted her. She is like, what? I think 00:23:31.150 --> 00:23:33.730 she thought I was drinking maybe. Probably. Probably. 00:23:34.049 --> 00:23:39.269 My red wine. Who knows? She calls. I immediately 00:23:39.269 --> 00:23:42.789 pass the phone to you. You do. I don't even think 00:23:42.789 --> 00:23:45.289 you answer. You just like press answer and you 00:23:45.289 --> 00:23:48.410 hand me the phone. I did. I did. And the lowdown 00:23:48.410 --> 00:23:51.529 begins. Yeah. You just start explaining everything. 00:23:52.220 --> 00:23:54.940 But even on the phone, she was like, well, that's 00:23:54.940 --> 00:23:58.039 interesting. I'll have to like hear more. And 00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:01.380 I said, oh, you want more information? I'll get 00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:04.980 more information. So then I like met up with 00:24:04.980 --> 00:24:07.099 everybody and their mother that either went to 00:24:07.099 --> 00:24:08.680 that church, was still going to that church, 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.500 or had left that church, right? And so I meet 00:24:11.500 --> 00:24:13.119 up with one girl who was still going to that 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:16.170 church that I saw the Sunday before. And y 'all, 00:24:16.170 --> 00:24:20.029 what she tells me is crazy. So she comes over 00:24:20.029 --> 00:24:22.289 for coffee. I don't know how it started. She 00:24:22.289 --> 00:24:23.569 started talking about the church immediately. 00:24:23.690 --> 00:24:27.289 And crying. And crying, yeah. And we'll call 00:24:27.289 --> 00:24:31.690 her, like, Melissa. So Melissa's here, and she 00:24:31.690 --> 00:24:33.130 was talking about the church, and she's like, 00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:35.670 you need to join a small group. And I said, I'm 00:24:35.670 --> 00:24:37.130 in a small group. And she's like, yeah, but the 00:24:37.130 --> 00:24:39.269 small group you're in is, like, really toxic. 00:24:39.309 --> 00:24:41.470 And I was like, you're right. I've met the leaders 00:24:41.470 --> 00:24:43.829 in my small group. I like them for the most part. 00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:46.660 I like a couple of the girls, but I haven't made 00:24:46.660 --> 00:24:49.200 friends in the small group. And we haven't been 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:51.599 making friends at church. We tried. And we make 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:53.259 friends with everybody, bro. You know, we're 00:24:53.259 --> 00:24:55.660 so easy to get along with besides the fact we're 00:24:55.660 --> 00:24:59.029 both haters. Yeah, people love us. I know. So 00:24:59.029 --> 00:25:01.069 anyways, we don't make friends. And so she kept 00:25:01.069 --> 00:25:02.769 telling me like it was a small groups problem. 00:25:02.769 --> 00:25:04.730 I need to get into a different one. And then 00:25:04.730 --> 00:25:06.589 she was talking about how like if I come to hers, 00:25:06.589 --> 00:25:09.009 I need to let my leaders know. And that's something 00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:11.509 she had learned was that she needs to find a 00:25:11.509 --> 00:25:14.329 way to like submit to authority that like she 00:25:14.329 --> 00:25:16.789 needs to surrender and submit to authority. And 00:25:16.789 --> 00:25:18.329 I was like, oh, that's so interesting. And she's 00:25:18.329 --> 00:25:20.509 like, and you she starts to talk to me, like 00:25:20.509 --> 00:25:23.450 shave me. She's like, and you need to like surrender 00:25:23.450 --> 00:25:25.789 and submit to authority. And I looked at her 00:25:25.789 --> 00:25:27.859 and I said, baby. The Bible doesn't call me to 00:25:27.859 --> 00:25:29.519 submit to anybody that isn't my husband and my 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:31.420 father. I'm not married. I don't live in my dad's 00:25:31.420 --> 00:25:33.740 house. Not her rebuking you in your own home. 00:25:34.180 --> 00:25:36.880 Yeah, literally. And I was like, yeah, the only 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.099 Bible verse that does talk about submitting to 00:25:39.099 --> 00:25:42.259 authority is Hebrews 13, 17, where I'm going 00:25:42.259 --> 00:25:43.920 to read it for you all. Are you ready? It says 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:47.180 obey your leaders and submit to them for their 00:25:47.180 --> 00:25:50.660 keepers watchers over your souls as those who 00:25:50.660 --> 00:25:53.150 will have to give an account. I hope these people 00:25:53.150 --> 00:25:55.190 have to give an account FYI. Let them do this 00:25:55.190 --> 00:25:58.750 with joy as in the leaders. Let them have an 00:25:58.750 --> 00:26:01.950 account with joy and not with groaning for that 00:26:01.950 --> 00:26:05.990 would be no advantage to you. So really even 00:26:05.990 --> 00:26:08.410 submitting to authority is not about me like 00:26:08.410 --> 00:26:11.009 submitting to whatever they say and do. It's 00:26:11.009 --> 00:26:13.630 for them to have to hold an account for everything 00:26:13.630 --> 00:26:17.769 that they do in authority. So why is she coming 00:26:17.769 --> 00:26:19.730 at me? So she's like, you really need to submit 00:26:19.730 --> 00:26:22.809 to authority. I was like, okay, go touch grass. 00:26:23.950 --> 00:26:26.529 Kindly go touch grass. And then she was like, 00:26:26.710 --> 00:26:29.109 yeah, you need to. And then her and other people 00:26:29.109 --> 00:26:31.609 have said to me, you need to stop leading your 00:26:31.609 --> 00:26:34.750 Wednesday night Bible studies. My mouth is on 00:26:34.750 --> 00:26:37.289 the floor when I had someone tell me that. Not 00:26:37.289 --> 00:26:40.910 to stop leading because I haven't and probably 00:26:40.910 --> 00:26:44.119 will never. Knock on wood because every time 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.059 I say I'm not going to somehow I end up doing 00:26:47.059 --> 00:26:52.299 it true, but I Was told to stop attending yours. 00:26:52.460 --> 00:26:55.519 I know I my mouth was on the floor. I said, oh 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:59.460 my gosh, I Find that insane that you think it's 00:26:59.460 --> 00:27:01.559 okay to have an opinion like that towards me 00:27:02.230 --> 00:27:05.769 You're so bold for that! Congrats! Congrats, 00:27:06.029 --> 00:27:09.450 yes! Yeah, they were like, you need to stop leading 00:27:09.450 --> 00:27:11.750 your Bible study and join our small group because 00:27:11.750 --> 00:27:13.910 you're not getting the full fulfillment and the 00:27:13.910 --> 00:27:15.869 fruits of the Holy Spirit, so you're not producing 00:27:15.869 --> 00:27:17.609 all the fruits of the Holy Spirit that you could 00:27:17.609 --> 00:27:20.190 be. And I wanted to be like, can you list the 00:27:20.190 --> 00:27:23.269 fruits of the Holy Spirit, please? Like for just 00:27:23.269 --> 00:27:25.450 a second, because I actually don't see anybody 00:27:25.450 --> 00:27:27.250 in our church producing the fruits. I don't see 00:27:27.250 --> 00:27:29.069 our church producing the fruits of the Holy Spirit. 00:27:29.970 --> 00:27:33.359 I don't, so like... That's fine, come for me." 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:36.640 So she says that and then she was like, yeah, 00:27:36.980 --> 00:27:38.900 I was really nervous to have you pray over me 00:27:38.900 --> 00:27:42.539 on Sunday. I was like, yeah, I could tell because 00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:45.720 y 'all she was crying and I felt for her. So 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:47.680 I like asked her, can I pray for you? And she 00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:49.839 was hesitant and in my mind I'm like, look, if 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:51.420 you don't want me to pray over you, that's fine. 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:55.079 I'll keep my prayer to myself. It's okay. But 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:56.519 after a minute of her looking around, she's like, 00:27:56.940 --> 00:28:00.420 yeah, I guess I'd be okay. Okay, so I pulled 00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:02.259 her in for a hug and I like prayed over her and 00:28:02.259 --> 00:28:04.000 then I'm like, okay I'll see you later. So when 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:05.819 she's here, she tells me she's like, yeah I was 00:28:05.819 --> 00:28:07.380 really nervous to have you pray over me and I 00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:09.279 was like, why? She goes, well, you're really 00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:12.019 not supposed to pray over people in church. I 00:28:12.019 --> 00:28:18.660 said, what? My brain stopped working. I'm sorry. 00:28:18.940 --> 00:28:20.279 I was like, what do you mean? And she's like, 00:28:20.299 --> 00:28:22.200 well, you're not on the prayer team like I am 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.019 and you're not on the ministry team. And I was 00:28:25.019 --> 00:28:28.319 like, oh. Well, what do you mean? And she goes, 00:28:28.420 --> 00:28:29.779 well, unless you're on the prayer team or the 00:28:29.779 --> 00:28:31.119 ministry team, you're not supposed to pray over 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:33.720 people. And I said, you're telling me if my bestie's 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:36.039 having a hard day and I see her in church, I 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.380 have to take her out to my car to pray over her. 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:40.759 And she goes, yeah, pretty much like they didn't 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:42.960 give you the OK. And then she says, even if you 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:44.619 were on the prayer team or the ministry team, 00:28:45.220 --> 00:28:47.180 leadership has to give you the OK to pray because 00:28:47.180 --> 00:28:49.539 not everybody is equipped to pray. I wanted to 00:28:49.539 --> 00:28:51.700 say, I don't think you know how the Holy Spirit 00:28:51.700 --> 00:28:55.039 works. But you didn't. I didn't, I kept my mouth 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.079 shut because I needed more information on this 00:28:57.079 --> 00:28:59.720 cult church. I was feeding, I'm not gonna lie, 00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:01.339 I was feeding into it. I was like, tell me more, 00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:03.160 tell me everything. So she was telling me that 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.220 she was there one day and she prayed over someone 00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:11.160 and somebody in a kinship called Casey, we'll 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:19.269 say. Hold her. Anyways, I had pulled her aside 00:29:19.269 --> 00:29:20.789 and was like, hey, you really weren't supposed 00:29:20.789 --> 00:29:23.210 to pray over that person. And she said, why? 00:29:23.309 --> 00:29:24.650 They're in leadership with me. And she's like, 00:29:24.769 --> 00:29:27.309 yeah, but like you're not ready to pray yet. 00:29:27.549 --> 00:29:30.309 And she said, but someone in leadership above 00:29:30.309 --> 00:29:32.269 me was there and they gave me the okay. And she's 00:29:32.269 --> 00:29:34.829 like, I'm just letting you know that it wasn't 00:29:34.829 --> 00:29:37.490 time and that you needed to not pray over that 00:29:37.490 --> 00:29:40.730 person yet. And I said, I would really like to 00:29:40.730 --> 00:29:43.190 know where they find this biblically. Can you 00:29:43.190 --> 00:29:45.549 tell me where in the Bible it says you're not 00:29:45.549 --> 00:29:47.529 equipped to pray or leadership needs to give 00:29:47.529 --> 00:29:49.849 you the okay to pray? And she goes, well, honestly, 00:29:49.950 --> 00:29:51.670 I know their concern is that people will watch 00:29:51.670 --> 00:29:53.849 TikToks or YouTube videos, and they'll think 00:29:53.849 --> 00:29:56.269 they'll understand how the relationship with 00:29:56.269 --> 00:29:58.809 Jesus works. And then they'll pray over people, 00:29:58.809 --> 00:30:01.769 and they'll actually invite evil spirits into 00:30:01.769 --> 00:30:04.490 their lives and onto their lives. I was like, 00:30:04.630 --> 00:30:06.390 you think people are out here praying to Jesus, 00:30:06.490 --> 00:30:09.250 and then all of a sudden, it's actually uno reverse 00:30:09.250 --> 00:30:12.000 and the devil's working on you? Like, you're 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.279 praying this fortune over someone. Again, you 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:16.799 do not know how the Holy Spirit works. Like, 00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:19.720 please, again, let's go touch grass. I'm begging 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.839 you, someone. Anyone. Because I think they're 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:26.799 smoking it instead. There is that information. 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.839 And then we met with our other friend who has 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.960 left the church. Baylee. Baylee. I love that 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.299 name. So Baylee comes over and she tells us why 00:30:37.299 --> 00:30:38.940 she left the church. Do you want to share that 00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:45.769 with them? I love this girl. We love Bailey. 00:30:46.410 --> 00:30:50.670 She's so cutie pie. Oh my goodness. So she was 00:30:50.670 --> 00:30:54.650 in our kinship when we first started going. So 00:30:54.650 --> 00:30:57.930 she was also on the social media team as well. 00:30:58.529 --> 00:31:02.410 And basically, in this church, what they'd like 00:31:02.410 --> 00:31:05.539 you to do is like there's It looks, it feels 00:31:05.539 --> 00:31:08.460 like Mario goals. It does. Like the goals in 00:31:08.460 --> 00:31:11.160 like Mario that you reach. You can never do enough. 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:14.339 It's never enough. First it's you attend. Second, 00:31:14.500 --> 00:31:17.880 join a kinship. Third, serve. Fourth, evangelize. 00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:19.700 And it just like goes from there. Fifth, be ready 00:31:19.700 --> 00:31:22.059 to be discipled. It feels, yeah, it just feels 00:31:22.059 --> 00:31:23.660 like it's never anything. If you have a lucky 00:31:23.660 --> 00:31:26.259 selected few, then you get to be discipled. Yes. 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:28.599 Which, did I tell you someone texted me a couple 00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.539 days ago asking to disciple me? No. I'll get 00:31:31.539 --> 00:31:35.240 into that later. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Oh, no number. 00:31:35.420 --> 00:31:37.160 Did not tell me who they were and put one other 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.180 person in the group checks. That's crazy. They're 00:31:40.180 --> 00:31:43.259 after us because the amount of messages you have 00:31:43.259 --> 00:31:46.500 gotten. I haven't because I blocked people. Point 00:31:46.500 --> 00:31:49.519 blank. Period. The day you told me everything. 00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:53.539 Blocked. So, Sweet Bailey, she was probably the 00:31:53.539 --> 00:31:56.259 first person to interact with us. Yeah, when 00:31:56.259 --> 00:31:59.400 we got there. She was so welcoming, so inviting. 00:31:59.819 --> 00:32:04.539 Fast forward, she had stopped going around... 00:32:04.539 --> 00:32:06.279 September, October is like when it really started 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.339 fizzling out. Yeah. And I want to say end October 00:32:09.339 --> 00:32:11.480 is when we really noticed like she wasn't showing 00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:14.660 up anymore. I don't know if I had any thought 00:32:14.660 --> 00:32:17.079 towards it really. I think I thought about it 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:20.349 and I was like, wow, I really miss her. But I 00:32:20.349 --> 00:32:22.349 mainly was like, well, it's a different season 00:32:22.349 --> 00:32:23.910 of life for her. Maybe there's something else 00:32:23.910 --> 00:32:26.289 that she's called to. Just because growing up, 00:32:26.450 --> 00:32:29.309 my mom really went into detail about season of 00:32:29.309 --> 00:32:32.109 life. And sometimes you're not called to be somewhere 00:32:32.109 --> 00:32:34.150 and sometimes you're called to be elsewhere. 00:32:34.990 --> 00:32:37.289 I didn't think much of it when she had left. 00:32:37.509 --> 00:32:41.009 So I reached out, of course. We had her over 00:32:41.009 --> 00:32:44.940 a couple of days after we found out. And we both 00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:48.200 reached out to her separately. I messaged her 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.740 on Instagram, me like, hey, I think that Monday 00:32:51.740 --> 00:32:54.380 while I was still at work. And then you reached 00:32:54.380 --> 00:32:56.680 out to her right after. Yeah, I had reached out 00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:59.720 to her same day without each other knowing. I 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:01.859 think it was before you came home. Yeah, so you 00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:03.819 reached out just to see her for a totally different 00:33:03.819 --> 00:33:05.660 reason. Yeah, I had reached out and I was like, 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:09.500 I'd love to see you, yada yada, whatever. And 00:33:09.500 --> 00:33:11.559 then I sent a double text because I was like, 00:33:11.619 --> 00:33:13.910 we all need to sit down about this. this church. 00:33:14.089 --> 00:33:16.609 And we'd love to just get your insight on why 00:33:16.609 --> 00:33:19.490 you left. And she just gets into it about like 00:33:19.490 --> 00:33:22.730 her, I guess we'll call it a testimony, her testimony. 00:33:22.849 --> 00:33:25.250 Her experience. Her experience, her testimony 00:33:25.250 --> 00:33:28.130 of making it through that. and still being close 00:33:28.130 --> 00:33:31.769 to Jesus. That's true. Honestly, going through 00:33:31.769 --> 00:33:35.069 what she did, I feel like she would have been 00:33:35.069 --> 00:33:37.650 in such a more valid position to have a lot more 00:33:37.650 --> 00:33:39.809 hatred sitting in her heart towards people and 00:33:39.809 --> 00:33:42.769 that she doesn't is a lot of certain things about 00:33:42.769 --> 00:33:46.650 how some people in the congregation spoke to 00:33:46.650 --> 00:33:49.049 her and had interactions with her that were very 00:33:49.859 --> 00:33:52.900 Not just a creation the leadership the leadership 00:33:52.900 --> 00:33:55.619 as well leadership was the ones that were gossiping 00:33:55.619 --> 00:33:59.019 behind her back Yeah, and like constantly provoking 00:33:59.019 --> 00:34:02.440 her. Yeah, there were a lot of people Well, honestly, 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:04.839 I just didn't see this other the specific person 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:06.279 that I'm talking about that spoke to her I don't 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.579 see her as a leadership role at all. She is a 00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:11.460 leader. She's on the leadership Yeah, it doesn't 00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:13.599 matter if you see her as a leader. She's a leadership 00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:16.019 She's a kid should we go back to what the Bible 00:34:16.019 --> 00:34:18.280 said about leaders being held accountable? Yeah 00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:22.420 Well, yes, so this person that spoke to her directly 00:34:22.420 --> 00:34:25.079 was in a leadership role and was gossiping about 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:30.000 her about gossiping about her about a situation 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.119 she was going through with another member in 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:33.960 the church at the time that she hadn't really 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:37.260 shared with anybody. Those leaders decided to 00:34:37.260 --> 00:34:41.579 bring it to the attention of this specific leader 00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:47.699 that brought it to Bailey. Yeah, and she Obviously 00:34:47.699 --> 00:34:51.360 was caught off guard and she made it this entire 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:57.840 unnecessary large big spiritual movement when 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.719 it not Bailey though it was a leader the leader 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:02.960 was looking at like the spectacle in front of 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.900 everyone she was making Bailey out to be like 00:35:05.900 --> 00:35:09.199 this spectacle of like I don't even know how 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.719 you would put this into words but like using 00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:15.389 her as like a moment to like share. and use her 00:35:15.389 --> 00:35:17.349 as a social media platform. Can we talk about 00:35:17.349 --> 00:35:21.949 how this church does that though? They want you 00:35:21.949 --> 00:35:25.570 to be crippled emotionally, physically, mentally, 00:35:25.750 --> 00:35:27.869 so that they can make a big deal out of it. And 00:35:27.869 --> 00:35:29.289 they can put it on social media. And how, quote 00:35:29.289 --> 00:35:31.409 unquote, Jesus saves you. Yeah, just so they 00:35:31.409 --> 00:35:33.769 can put it on social media. Yeah, they just display 00:35:33.769 --> 00:35:35.730 it everywhere. Yeah, it's not really about helping 00:35:35.730 --> 00:35:38.389 you and caring for you during or after. It's 00:35:38.389 --> 00:35:41.110 like what catches the eye? What has the attention? 00:35:41.369 --> 00:35:44.550 Mm -hmm. So yeah, anyway, so yeah, so she like 00:35:44.550 --> 00:35:47.130 has that happen Then she's like in the DMs working 00:35:47.130 --> 00:35:48.869 and she sees that they've been gossiping behind 00:35:48.869 --> 00:35:50.829 her back about what she's been doing for the 00:35:50.829 --> 00:35:53.389 social media team So she brought it up to them 00:35:53.389 --> 00:35:55.449 Yeah, so she well she brings it up to her specific 00:35:55.449 --> 00:35:57.949 leader that she sees as a mentor and stuff and 00:35:57.949 --> 00:35:59.349 she's like Hey, how should I bring it up to like 00:35:59.349 --> 00:36:01.889 my teammate? Cuz like I don't know her that well 00:36:01.889 --> 00:36:03.909 I don't know how to handle it and the leaders 00:36:03.909 --> 00:36:05.530 like doesn't even say anything She puts them 00:36:05.530 --> 00:36:07.769 in a group chat and it's just like Bailey has 00:36:07.769 --> 00:36:10.579 something to say to you I was like, what type 00:36:10.579 --> 00:36:14.639 of leader handles that, that way? Literally. 00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:17.239 And then she was saying too, that like, no one, 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.079 the church doesn't serve the community. And we 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.320 had a displaced person that went to church there 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.300 every Sunday during the summer. And she said, 00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:26.800 I was like, that's right. Nobody in leadership 00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:28.360 talked to that man. I mean, I talked to him. 00:36:28.460 --> 00:36:30.559 I sat with him a couple of Sundays when you were 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.199 busy or working or out of town. But other people 00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.349 like in leadership never spoke to him. That's 00:36:37.349 --> 00:36:38.750 because he didn't look good for their brand. 00:36:40.170 --> 00:36:42.550 It was crazy, dude. I was just hearing her story 00:36:42.550 --> 00:36:45.969 was really interesting and how she was handled. 00:36:46.710 --> 00:36:50.570 It was a lot to hear. So we told Claudia the 00:36:50.570 --> 00:36:53.269 additional information and then Claudia was like, 00:36:53.610 --> 00:36:57.489 all right, between the prayer, oh, and then her 00:36:57.489 --> 00:37:00.349 tithing, Bailey's tithing, when someone came 00:37:00.349 --> 00:37:03.170 up to her, someone came up to Bailey and was 00:37:03.170 --> 00:37:05.699 like, hey. I feel like the Holy Spirit told me 00:37:05.699 --> 00:37:07.679 you're not tithing to your max capacity that 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.679 you could, and Bailey at the time had stopped 00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:12.280 tithing to this church because she was feeling 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.760 weird about it. Beforehand, she had been tithing 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.239 a huge percentage of her income, and she was 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:19.019 like, how would they know that? I was like, babe, 00:37:19.699 --> 00:37:22.039 they totally are looking at people's tithes to 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:26.619 see how much they're tithing. 110 % without a 00:37:26.619 --> 00:37:30.090 doubt, they just are. So anyways, then we get 00:37:30.090 --> 00:37:32.429 back on Facebook and we see even more Comments 00:37:32.429 --> 00:37:34.530 about things that have been said and done between 00:37:34.530 --> 00:37:37.469 the church and other people and some might be 00:37:37.469 --> 00:37:40.090 like this is dramatic It's not a cult. It's just 00:37:40.090 --> 00:37:42.809 a bad church, but let me read to you the definition 00:37:42.809 --> 00:37:46.449 of a cult Okay, please do I would love to okay 00:37:46.449 --> 00:37:50.230 a group such as an organization or religious 00:37:50.230 --> 00:37:54.230 sect with tenants and practices regarding at 00:37:54.349 --> 00:37:58.789 regarded as an insular or dangerous. It also 00:37:58.789 --> 00:38:03.250 could be seen as a great devotion to a person, 00:38:03.389 --> 00:38:07.570 idea, object, movement, or work. So anyways, 00:38:08.090 --> 00:38:11.630 all of that fits the word full. And as we see, 00:38:11.750 --> 00:38:15.989 this church is very focused on money, I would 00:38:15.989 --> 00:38:20.929 say. Yeah, they do kind of, they love a good 00:38:20.929 --> 00:38:23.539 slideshow. Let's just put it that way. This church 00:38:23.539 --> 00:38:25.559 loves a good slideshow. They love to plaster 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:29.440 all over their walls how many people they've 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:33.219 reached, in what ways they've reached them, these 00:38:33.219 --> 00:38:40.139 super heart -string pulling moments that their 00:38:40.139 --> 00:38:42.940 evangelism leader comes across, which I find 00:38:42.940 --> 00:38:45.119 interesting. It's just him that tends to be the 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.920 only one coming across. these events. Yeah. He's 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:49.780 the only one ever sharing about them. I'm not 00:38:49.780 --> 00:38:53.599 sure that's specific to his role. And then, of 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:55.699 course, they share about how much money they've 00:38:55.699 --> 00:39:00.099 raised for certain causes that they have named 00:39:00.099 --> 00:39:06.480 as such. They had one this past fall winter for 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:11.079 single mothers in the church. Yeah. And hindsight, 00:39:11.619 --> 00:39:16.639 it seems as more of a ploy. Then it does to be 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:18.739 genuine like how great we are. Look at what we 00:39:18.739 --> 00:39:21.679 did. Yeah, it was all videos of them doing the 00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.980 shopping and how many things they're able to 00:39:23.980 --> 00:39:27.139 buy and how much fun they were doing at serving 00:39:27.139 --> 00:39:30.460 the Lord. And the Bible actually does talk about 00:39:30.460 --> 00:39:33.159 doing things in silence. Like if your left hand 00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:35.000 does something, don't let your right hand know. 00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.500 Yeah. And you could say you're publishing it 00:39:37.500 --> 00:39:41.010 on social media to bring glory to God. But then 00:39:41.010 --> 00:39:42.929 looking back I'm like no, it's definitely glory 00:39:42.929 --> 00:39:44.869 for yourselves Like y 'all wanted to talk about 00:39:44.869 --> 00:39:46.929 how great of a church we are and what we're doing 00:39:46.929 --> 00:39:49.409 in the community when none of us are serving 00:39:49.409 --> 00:39:52.269 the homeless None of us are working with children 00:39:52.269 --> 00:39:56.110 in the system And if we are no one's talking 00:39:56.110 --> 00:39:58.530 about it. Mm -hmm, you know and wait, didn't 00:39:58.530 --> 00:40:01.170 you ask leadership about that? Yeah, and what 00:40:01.170 --> 00:40:05.429 were you told? basically On which part when I 00:40:05.429 --> 00:40:08.550 asked about their service for like the homeless 00:40:08.550 --> 00:40:10.789 community. Yeah. So yeah, I had brought it up 00:40:10.789 --> 00:40:13.190 to them. I don't remember who specifically like 00:40:13.190 --> 00:40:16.130 what events they hold because I know there's 00:40:16.130 --> 00:40:19.670 some in Wilmington that do hold shelters during 00:40:19.670 --> 00:40:24.849 the week or they hold. Like warm food on certain 00:40:24.849 --> 00:40:29.409 days and they pass out to the community. and 00:40:29.409 --> 00:40:31.469 anyone can come by for a free meal if they're 00:40:31.469 --> 00:40:33.829 in need of it. And they had asked, they're like, 00:40:33.949 --> 00:40:36.230 well, it's just not where we're being led right 00:40:36.230 --> 00:40:39.349 now. And it's just not what we're being called 00:40:39.349 --> 00:40:41.409 for at the moment. Yeah, we're just called to 00:40:41.409 --> 00:40:44.010 serve our own church. And I was just interesting 00:40:44.010 --> 00:40:46.150 because they had said to serve the body before 00:40:46.150 --> 00:40:49.889 you serve the community. which was like one of 00:40:49.889 --> 00:40:51.849 the weird things that stuck out to me at the 00:40:51.849 --> 00:40:54.070 beginning that I really brushed off because I 00:40:54.070 --> 00:40:56.230 could totally understand that but also the body 00:40:56.230 --> 00:40:58.690 is just everybody like the body is made up of 00:40:58.690 --> 00:41:02.530 the church next door and the people at home and 00:41:02.530 --> 00:41:05.510 the people in a different state and I don't remember 00:41:05.510 --> 00:41:08.050 Jesus saying start with the body I remember Jesus 00:41:08.050 --> 00:41:12.110 saying care for the widow care for the poor take 00:41:12.110 --> 00:41:16.710 care of the orphan I'm like where are we getting 00:41:17.130 --> 00:41:19.210 this from? Where are we making this decision? 00:41:19.849 --> 00:41:21.670 Anyways, Caitlin, do you want to tell us the 00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:25.289 top 10 signs that you're in a cult? I would love 00:41:25.289 --> 00:41:28.969 to because just in case you yourself, your listener, 00:41:29.730 --> 00:41:33.489 are concerned about any ideologies your church 00:41:33.489 --> 00:41:36.530 might be following, let us sum it up for you 00:41:36.530 --> 00:41:39.050 in 10 simple short ways of how to break up with 00:41:39.050 --> 00:41:43.420 your cult church on reasons why you should. So, 00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:47.420 number one is they prey on vulnerable youth. 00:41:47.860 --> 00:41:49.780 The biggest one that I think we could see that 00:41:49.780 --> 00:41:52.199 in our church is obviously our congregation is 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:59.179 filled with a lot of young adults that are easily 00:41:59.179 --> 00:42:03.619 misled or baby Christians. I was going to say 00:42:03.619 --> 00:42:07.760 a lot of baby Christians. That are super passionate. 00:42:08.090 --> 00:42:12.690 But because of that, they are super easy to mislead 00:42:12.690 --> 00:42:14.750 because they have so much passion, they need 00:42:14.750 --> 00:42:17.429 to put it towards something and they need to 00:42:17.429 --> 00:42:19.869 show it in some way. And this is how they're 00:42:19.869 --> 00:42:24.269 doing it. Second one is love bombing. Personally, 00:42:24.590 --> 00:42:26.949 I didn't see that with this church at all because 00:42:26.949 --> 00:42:30.369 I've never felt more unwelcomed every single 00:42:30.369 --> 00:42:33.670 Sunday when I walk in. And I only get acknowledged 00:42:33.670 --> 00:42:37.690 when I... Say hi to somebody so I will say even 00:42:37.690 --> 00:42:39.969 though we were always wants to say hi to people. 00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:44.250 I saw the love bombing happening to the congregation 00:42:44.250 --> 00:42:48.829 from the from the stage. Yeah, I would say. Definitely, 00:42:48.929 --> 00:42:52.829 or in a hindsight manner of when we left and 00:42:52.829 --> 00:42:55.510 I got some messages and you got messages on, 00:42:55.710 --> 00:42:58.250 oh, we love, we miss you so much. Third one, 00:42:58.869 --> 00:43:03.750 social isolation. Oh, let me tell you a story 00:43:03.750 --> 00:43:07.289 about that. So I will say this name. Haley comes 00:43:07.289 --> 00:43:11.659 up to me one day and she was like, hey, I'm really 00:43:11.659 --> 00:43:13.639 upset and I was like, why babe? And she was like, 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.059 well, Casey told me that I can't go to overflow 00:43:17.059 --> 00:43:19.280 on Tuesdays anymore, even though it's my only 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:21.119 night off and I really need to join a small group 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.619 at our church. I was like, well, if Tuesday is 00:43:23.619 --> 00:43:25.760 your only night off and like. Overflow gives 00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:28.380 you a chance to meet people your age do it and 00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:29.900 she's like, yeah But she told me I needed to 00:43:29.900 --> 00:43:32.039 choose to be one of choose to be a part of one 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:34.300 body I couldn't be a part of two So she said 00:43:34.300 --> 00:43:36.840 I have to like either come to small group through 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.679 our church or I need to leave our church and 00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:44.380 just join PC3 and I was like No, we are all one 00:43:44.380 --> 00:43:46.639 body the whole church is one body babe for the 00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:50.360 bride of Christ like Choosing overflow on Tuesday 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:51.820 night because it gives you a chance to make friends 00:43:51.820 --> 00:43:54.699 your age Is not outrageous. What do you mean 00:43:54.699 --> 00:43:56.500 isolate yourself and join your small group? And 00:43:56.500 --> 00:43:57.960 then when you join your small group They want 00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.539 you to like we said serve when you serve they 00:44:00.539 --> 00:44:02.360 want you to then get Discipled and they want 00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:04.420 you to only hang out with people in the church. 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:06.559 They've said that one time Do you remember that 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.159 on stage? The guy was like and you need to hang 00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:11.260 out people from your church to be a part of the 00:44:11.260 --> 00:44:13.340 body to really get the Fellowship of the church 00:44:13.340 --> 00:44:15.420 and the Holy Spirit and I was like, wow, we just 00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:17.800 don't You want us to live here? I'll move in, 00:44:17.900 --> 00:44:21.940 I guess. Free rent? Yeah, free rent. Sure. No, 00:44:21.940 --> 00:44:23.400 they would make us pay. No, they would make us 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:25.840 pay. Anyways, what's number four? Number four, 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:27.659 and I am going to read the description because 00:44:27.659 --> 00:44:31.320 it's on point to discharge. Mind control and 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:34.360 programming between all the long meetings, incessant 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:38.099 activities, micromanaging of social life, social... 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.900 exclusionary tactics and constant indoctrination 00:44:40.900 --> 00:44:43.380 the result is a form of mind control and social 00:44:43.380 --> 00:44:46.900 programming oh my gosh they did that all the 00:44:46.900 --> 00:44:49.920 time the entire time with why did we go to like 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.760 a meeting every single time like you had to be 00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.079 there at 6am for this meeting then 7am and then 00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:56.719 you had to be at this meeting and then you had 00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:58.619 to be at this meeting in between this and this 00:44:58.619 --> 00:45:00.320 service and you had to go to this service for 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:03.820 this service yes and i'm like oh my gosh i didn't 00:45:03.820 --> 00:45:06.820 realize i was working A free nine to five job. 00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:08.900 Yeah, and if you're not evangelizing, then you're 00:45:08.900 --> 00:45:11.260 not serving God and you're a terrible person. 00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:13.019 You're not even a real Christian. So if you're 00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:14.820 not going to the evangelizing meetings, then 00:45:14.820 --> 00:45:18.380 you're not going to the other meetings. If you're 00:45:18.380 --> 00:45:20.840 not hanging out with each other outside of small 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:22.880 group or church, you don't know each other. You're 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.320 not friends. You're not fellowshipping. You're 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.480 not the body. Number five. They claim their religious 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.380 community or church. is the only true church. 00:45:32.579 --> 00:45:34.679 Oh, can I tell you something? Kendall is please 00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:39.119 do on this. So I was told that the pastors of 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:42.340 our church had said that not only were they here 00:45:42.340 --> 00:45:46.019 to fulfill a prophecy, but they also were told 00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:47.960 that they were the only ones that could bring 00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:50.519 revival to Wilmington and that no other church 00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.860 was going to be able to bring revival to Wilmington. 00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:56.440 It was us. It was just us. We're the only ones 00:45:56.440 --> 00:46:00.480 who can do it. Wow. That's crazy. Number six, 00:46:00.820 --> 00:46:05.360 no regard for church history. I can't say I really 00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:11.239 have any specific mention of this from any actions 00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:15.619 where we attended, but I'm sure if we were to 00:46:15.619 --> 00:46:18.820 dig deep enough, small little tidbits of this 00:46:18.820 --> 00:46:23.820 might show up. False doctrine. Oh Lord, yeah. 00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:28.199 I will say they do that evangelical thing well. 00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:30.519 Like they do talk about Jesus and how great he 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.440 is. I'm like, yes, Jesus is amazing. We love 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:37.500 him. But then there's no like sound doctrine 00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:40.400 because it's what they say and nothing else. 00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:44.019 Yeah. And it's always it felt more like a motivational 00:46:44.019 --> 00:46:47.019 speech coming from the stage. Yeah. Oh, you need 00:46:47.019 --> 00:46:48.659 to go out and say this goes into number eight, 00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:51.280 then you're going to love this one. The leader 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:57.980 is or has become idolized. Oh, I just got chills 00:46:57.980 --> 00:47:02.900 because specifically one of these leaders, they 00:47:02.900 --> 00:47:07.639 do retreats supposedly that are between $3 ,000 00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:11.059 and $5 ,000. It's nothing fancy that these girls 00:47:11.059 --> 00:47:14.780 pay to go on these $3 ,000 to $5 ,000 retreats. 00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:16.420 I would love to know how they pay that. And it's 00:47:16.420 --> 00:47:18.380 like they're only going like an hour up the road 00:47:18.380 --> 00:47:21.440 to be at the beach or an hour farther south. 00:47:21.500 --> 00:47:23.460 And I'm like, we're spending how much to do this? 00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:26.449 And then like she wrote a book. And she's advertising 00:47:26.449 --> 00:47:27.989 her book, and I'm like, no, babe, I was talking 00:47:27.989 --> 00:47:29.630 to somebody who does social media for a living, 00:47:29.730 --> 00:47:30.889 and they're like, no, she just really wants to 00:47:30.889 --> 00:47:32.769 be an influencer. And don't get me wrong, she's 00:47:32.769 --> 00:47:36.030 doing it. She's got like 63 ,000 followers, but 00:47:36.030 --> 00:47:38.530 she literally just wants to be an influencer. 00:47:40.190 --> 00:47:42.750 Religious influence. Now, do I know for a fact 00:47:42.750 --> 00:47:44.750 that's how much the retreats were? No. That's 00:47:44.750 --> 00:47:47.710 just what someone told me. So it's hearsay, but. 00:47:48.269 --> 00:47:50.869 Either way if I've offered to host retreats and 00:47:50.869 --> 00:47:52.289 I've never I'd be like we're just gonna split 00:47:52.289 --> 00:47:54.309 the cost of the Airbnb and everybody bring your 00:47:54.309 --> 00:47:59.469 own food Like if you're really doing it for Jesus 00:47:59.469 --> 00:48:02.949 It couldn't be that expensive. Yeah also Side 00:48:02.949 --> 00:48:04.670 track if you're really doing it for Jesus. It 00:48:04.670 --> 00:48:08.150 really shouldn't be that much ie the free bilingual 00:48:08.150 --> 00:48:10.769 summer camp I go to and serve at every single 00:48:10.769 --> 00:48:13.650 summer exactly 12 years I raised the money with 00:48:13.650 --> 00:48:16.230 my church body every single year from a distance 00:48:16.230 --> 00:48:18.630 first of all from a distance because if we wanted 00:48:18.630 --> 00:48:21.590 to we would yeah I'll move on to number nine 00:48:21.590 --> 00:48:25.349 now numerous x num Members have shared traumatic 00:48:25.349 --> 00:48:28.190 stories of abuse. Oh my gosh as if there's been 00:48:28.190 --> 00:48:30.130 a whole Facebook group dedicated to this place 00:48:30.130 --> 00:48:33.690 There is they just recently opened up a whole 00:48:33.690 --> 00:48:38.030 Facebook group specifically for your own Experiences 00:48:38.030 --> 00:48:40.269 which is so crazy that we even have to do that. 00:48:40.690 --> 00:48:44.210 They are being investigated They sure are and 00:48:44.210 --> 00:48:47.429 honestly, thank God. Yeah, we weren't there for 00:48:47.429 --> 00:48:51.599 the investigation number ten Lack of financial 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:55.119 transparency. Okay, can I talk about this? Please. 00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:57.719 So I know you talked about how like your church 00:48:57.719 --> 00:48:59.539 usually holds a meeting for people to see the 00:48:59.539 --> 00:49:02.000 finances. And when this church put out their 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:03.940 finances, my friend sent me the link and I was 00:49:03.940 --> 00:49:06.559 like, let me click and see. And how they broke 00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:08.760 it down was so interesting. Did you see that? 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.699 Oh, it was giving Canva. Yes. Not the pro version. 00:49:11.739 --> 00:49:14.679 No, it was giving Canva. And it was giving like 00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.460 dollars they were telling you the dollars of 00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:18.900 which section which they didn't bring it down 00:49:18.900 --> 00:49:22.099 in many sections either it was just like church 00:49:22.099 --> 00:49:26.739 fees or like stuff they weren't sharing they 00:49:26.739 --> 00:49:28.639 were sharing where their money was coming from 00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:32.429 and not a whole lot of where it was going. Yeah, 00:49:32.690 --> 00:49:35.190 a lot of Oh, this is what we get into. Typically, 00:49:35.429 --> 00:49:37.670 it's like where it goes, but not where it literally 00:49:37.670 --> 00:49:40.449 goes. Well, that's what I'm getting into. It's 00:49:40.449 --> 00:49:42.110 typically a church will tell you how much they 00:49:42.110 --> 00:49:44.130 brought in. And they don't tell you like down 00:49:44.130 --> 00:49:46.190 to the dollar where each each thing goes like 00:49:46.190 --> 00:49:48.269 sometimes they do, but they also do the percentage. 00:49:48.590 --> 00:49:50.670 So it'd be like, okay, the pastors are taking 00:49:50.670 --> 00:49:53.909 home 20 % or the pastors are taking home 8%. 00:49:53.909 --> 00:49:56.369 And then this part of the staff is getting split 00:49:56.369 --> 00:49:58.369 up between this percentage and then this much 00:49:58.369 --> 00:50:02.429 is going towards Volunteer work and this much 00:50:02.429 --> 00:50:04.269 is going towards paying the bills to keep the 00:50:04.269 --> 00:50:07.070 church up and running with electricity And this 00:50:07.070 --> 00:50:10.590 percentage is going towards What is it called 00:50:10.590 --> 00:50:13.289 mission strips? Yeah, it was not that it was 00:50:13.289 --> 00:50:15.769 like we brought in this much money and as a whole 00:50:15.769 --> 00:50:19.010 for the staff This is how much We put towards 00:50:19.010 --> 00:50:21.550 paying the staff and I was like, okay But how 00:50:21.550 --> 00:50:23.690 much you're going towards each staff member because 00:50:23.690 --> 00:50:25.710 I'm sure it's not getting split up evenly between 00:50:25.710 --> 00:50:28.489 each of it all Yeah, the guy that's doing the 00:50:28.489 --> 00:50:32.590 vangical Evangelical thank you evangelical ministry. 00:50:33.050 --> 00:50:36.809 I heard that would not hurt I saw online Through 00:50:36.809 --> 00:50:39.909 their website that he's getting 50 ,000. Well, 00:50:39.929 --> 00:50:41.570 great. I love that. He's getting 50 ,000 to go 00:50:41.570 --> 00:50:44.510 out and share the word of God That we all do 00:50:44.510 --> 00:50:46.989 for free. But like how much is everybody else 00:50:46.989 --> 00:50:50.550 getting? Yeah, you know It was so the way that 00:50:50.550 --> 00:50:53.469 they split it. I like put it out on Canva was 00:50:53.469 --> 00:50:56.570 crazy I was like never seen it done like that 00:50:56.570 --> 00:51:03.199 before I said Yeah. Fancy. You're like, Hannah 00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:06.260 Liz says that all the time, actually. I actually 00:51:06.260 --> 00:51:08.960 just go talk to people about Jesus for free. 00:51:09.099 --> 00:51:11.820 I didn't realize I... To get paid for it. Yeah, 00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:15.780 I didn't realize that there was any financial... 00:51:15.449 --> 00:51:18.769 Benefits for me. Yeah crazy. I didn't realize 00:51:18.769 --> 00:51:21.010 I was in it for financial compensation Okay, 00:51:21.110 --> 00:51:23.650 if you're still hanging out with us for this 00:51:23.650 --> 00:51:26.849 part Keelan do you want to share just the few 00:51:26.849 --> 00:51:30.150 things that were said to you by I do the top 00:51:30.150 --> 00:51:31.710 three people on this list without saying their 00:51:31.710 --> 00:51:38.190 actual names I Do yeah, okay, so we'll start 00:51:38.190 --> 00:51:42.090 with the first girl I Genuinely am so bad at 00:51:42.090 --> 00:51:43.710 fake names. I we're gonna call them one two and 00:51:43.710 --> 00:51:47.900 three I love it. Girl number one, I had shared 00:51:47.900 --> 00:51:51.079 with her... I'm going to go with the number one 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:52.960 thing because there's a lot I could go into, 00:51:52.980 --> 00:51:55.300 but I'm not going to. The number one thing is 00:51:55.300 --> 00:52:00.960 obviously you and I ran into a bit of a tiffle 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.659 with our apartment complex in regards to moving. 00:52:06.219 --> 00:52:10.420 It's a long story, but to be sure, I asked for 00:52:10.420 --> 00:52:15.679 some prayer. on the situation. I asked for nothing 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:20.559 else. I said, can you just pray for us about 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.260 this? Because we weren't allowed to message in 00:52:23.260 --> 00:52:26.739 our group chat about prayer requests. God forbid. 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:31.559 The girl asked for prayer requests. So she sends 00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:38.539 a response back. And in short, what did you do 00:52:38.539 --> 00:52:42.079 wrong? Yeah. What did you do to cause this reaction 00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:44.980 with your apartment office? What could you have 00:52:44.980 --> 00:52:50.139 done differently? What? Yeah. And I was flabbergasted. 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:58.880 I truly have never felt so belittled by another 00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:02.980 human being by my capabilities to make decisions 00:53:02.980 --> 00:53:09.199 in regards to the way I run my life. And God 00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:12.380 forbid a girl makes a mistake. We both made mistakes. 00:53:13.699 --> 00:53:16.239 And honestly, it wasn't our fault with what was 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.820 going on. I won't go into detail. I will say 00:53:18.820 --> 00:53:22.199 with the apartment complex, it was so much not 00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.920 our fault that I did get a real estate attorney 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:26.460 involved, which was one of my friend's moms, 00:53:26.579 --> 00:53:27.900 and she looked it over and then talked to me 00:53:27.900 --> 00:53:29.460 and she was like, yeah, you're not in the wrong 00:53:29.460 --> 00:53:32.260 here. It's them. And I was like, okay, cool. 00:53:32.300 --> 00:53:34.460 I just need to make sure it wasn't that I'm not 00:53:34.460 --> 00:53:38.269 an idiot. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so that was 00:53:38.269 --> 00:53:44.429 number one. Girl number two happened way before 00:53:44.429 --> 00:53:48.070 any of this occurred. She wanted to grab coffee 00:53:48.070 --> 00:53:52.469 with me. Great. I love coffee. We're coffee girls. 00:53:52.570 --> 00:53:56.909 I'd love to grab a coffee. Going into it, I already 00:53:56.909 --> 00:53:59.750 had a bit of an uneasy mindset because I didn't 00:53:59.750 --> 00:54:05.760 feel any genuine... Desire from her to want to 00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.880 get to know me and already fell off the bat like 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:13.000 a dog with a leash Mmm, she was the handler. 00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:16.900 Yeah, and she was training me. Yeah, I was like 00:54:16.900 --> 00:54:22.079 a lost puppy I guess mm -hmm an orphan Yeah, 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.619 funny how that works well grabbed coffee with 00:54:25.619 --> 00:54:29.679 her and She wanted to ask about my testimony, 00:54:29.699 --> 00:54:33.559 and I said oh what about hi. How are you? What's 00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:36.079 up? How are you doing? Thanks for meeting me. 00:54:36.139 --> 00:54:38.460 Okay. No, we'll jump right into it Which reminds 00:54:38.460 --> 00:54:41.119 me of another cult that I was in not cold almost 00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:44.739 very cold like tendencies type Yeah, I when I 00:54:44.739 --> 00:54:48.980 was in undergrad Well kind of just shared a very 00:54:48.980 --> 00:54:51.579 brief version of it Which you like to tell me 00:54:51.579 --> 00:54:54.199 very often that I don't share much about my testimony 00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:58.739 because I tend to be a little bit more Well kept 00:54:58.739 --> 00:55:01.980 in that area I don't serve her share it yeah 00:55:02.529 --> 00:55:05.329 I keep it very simple. I mean, obviously, I shared 00:55:05.329 --> 00:55:09.630 it in my interview. I was adopted by pretty much 00:55:09.630 --> 00:55:13.630 a single mother, moved to North Carolina at a 00:55:13.630 --> 00:55:15.530 certain age, had a really difficult time, yada 00:55:15.530 --> 00:55:17.969 yada. Yeah, the rest is kind of history. And 00:55:17.969 --> 00:55:20.530 I'm like, batting 100, doing pretty well, I'd 00:55:20.530 --> 00:55:23.230 say for myself right now, as well as I can be. 00:55:23.969 --> 00:55:27.510 And she was trying to pull out like the saddest 00:55:27.510 --> 00:55:29.590 little bits of my testimony. And she's like, 00:55:29.590 --> 00:55:35.269 Oh, how did you feel about um being the only 00:55:35.269 --> 00:55:39.110 internationally adopted child in such a small 00:55:39.110 --> 00:55:42.909 community and I was like uh well I'm white I'm 00:55:42.909 --> 00:55:47.469 white so I felt pretty fine honestly uh no one 00:55:47.469 --> 00:55:51.409 knew unless I told them yeah uh I felt fine but 00:55:51.409 --> 00:55:54.670 thank you and then she was like okay and like 00:55:54.670 --> 00:55:57.489 how do you feel like your relationship with God 00:55:58.420 --> 00:56:02.260 transition from you living at home to moving 00:56:02.260 --> 00:56:04.159 to undergrad. And I was like, well, obviously, 00:56:05.179 --> 00:56:08.380 I had a transition period that any other person 00:56:08.380 --> 00:56:11.719 does. I mine felt a little rocky, but I definitely 00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:16.059 dealt with it in whatever manner I had seen fit 00:56:16.059 --> 00:56:18.179 at the time. Hindsight could have always done 00:56:18.179 --> 00:56:20.940 better. But I'm older now. That's all of us did. 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.760 I know. And she just kept adding like things 00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:27.820 and she pulled out like the saddest and not even 00:56:27.820 --> 00:56:29.719 the sad parts and she was trying to make them 00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:33.679 sad. And then she got to the point where she 00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:35.880 mentioned you and she was like, well, do you 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:39.719 feel like your roommate is really like helping 00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:42.619 you and like guiding you on this path to like 00:56:42.619 --> 00:56:45.639 a good and true relationship to Jesus? And I 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.119 said, absolutely not. She's the worst. I said, 00:56:49.219 --> 00:56:54.619 oh my Gosh, that's such an interesting way to 00:56:54.619 --> 00:56:59.139 ask that question about someone that I've known 00:56:59.139 --> 00:57:03.900 for way longer than I've known you. Um, yeah, 00:57:04.019 --> 00:57:07.360 absolutely. She has been, like, one of the best 00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:09.940 things in my life these last two years. I don't 00:57:09.940 --> 00:57:14.440 know what you're looking for me from. I don't 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:17.480 know what you want from me, babe. And she was 00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:19.659 like, oh, well, like... you don't feel like there's 00:57:19.659 --> 00:57:22.480 any strife or difficulty. I was like, strife? 00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:25.079 Yeah, sometimes I want to pull her hair. Yeah. 00:57:25.500 --> 00:57:27.699 She's like my sister. Yeah, we're sisters at 00:57:27.699 --> 00:57:31.219 this point. We be fighting. The silent treatment 00:57:31.219 --> 00:57:35.019 has been had. And never again. Yeah, we learned 00:57:35.019 --> 00:57:38.639 our lesson. Real quick. And so that's what happened 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:43.119 with her. And she, I just felt like she really 00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:46.090 tried to manipulate my testimony into something 00:57:46.090 --> 00:57:50.550 that she could kind of use into her own benefit. 00:57:50.610 --> 00:57:53.010 Yeah. And they wanted to use it. And I was like, 00:57:53.010 --> 00:57:55.630 oh, you can't. I'm so sorry. Please sign this 00:57:55.630 --> 00:58:02.610 NDA. Please acknowledge my white privilege. I'm 00:58:02.610 --> 00:58:06.719 fine. I don't even have any like debt. It's so 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:08.579 good. It's so good. Thank you. If you didn't 00:58:08.579 --> 00:58:12.320 know, Jesus paid it all. I told Cathy that the 00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:15.420 other day when it comes to my student loan debt 00:58:15.420 --> 00:58:17.619 I'll have one day. I'm like, I'm not gonna pay 00:58:17.619 --> 00:58:24.579 it. I digress. So the third person was a more 00:58:24.579 --> 00:58:29.820 recent encounter. I can't confirm or deny if 00:58:29.820 --> 00:58:35.570 any of this was directed towards me, but It felt 00:58:35.570 --> 00:58:38.110 that way it sure felt that way because I'm able 00:58:38.110 --> 00:58:40.170 to you know deduce what's going on in a room 00:58:40.170 --> 00:58:42.190 and when every single other person in the room 00:58:42.190 --> 00:58:46.769 hangs out and has like Princess pony party sleepovers 00:58:46.769 --> 00:58:49.829 every other week. It feels like together together 00:58:49.829 --> 00:58:53.789 Yeah, I would like to assume that said commentary 00:58:53.789 --> 00:58:58.710 was directed towards me At one of it was the 00:58:58.710 --> 00:59:03.860 last small group. I went to actually where She 00:59:03.860 --> 00:59:06.679 decided to close out the evening by saying, if 00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:09.239 you guys aren't hanging out with people from 00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:11.619 your small group outside of small group or church, 00:59:11.980 --> 00:59:14.699 you don't know each other and you cannot be a 00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:18.559 part of the church body, truly. I was like, wow, 00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:23.900 that's so, that's so interesting. I love the 00:59:23.900 --> 00:59:28.780 way you worded that, I suppose, dear. Yeah, she 00:59:28.780 --> 00:59:34.659 is someone that has not been a very Yeah, not 00:59:34.659 --> 00:59:38.019 inclusive at all. Not at all. And I just, the 00:59:38.019 --> 00:59:45.619 entire, like, time we were there, it all felt 00:59:45.619 --> 00:59:49.780 very surface level. Nothing really felt genuine 00:59:49.780 --> 00:59:53.820 and we were never invited to anything outside 00:59:53.820 --> 00:59:57.119 of us literally inviting them to dinner and then 00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.840 never hearing a word back from them. Again, after 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.699 they came. Yeah, yeah, I remember when I went 01:00:03.699 --> 01:00:06.239 to coffee with girl number two, and we ran into 01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:07.739 girl number three, and she's standing in line, 01:00:07.780 --> 01:00:09.900 and I'm a very inclusive person. I'm one of those 01:00:09.900 --> 01:00:11.239 people like, you know, that's like, if I run 01:00:11.239 --> 01:00:13.480 into you in public, I'm with somebody else, you 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:15.440 know, I'm like, come join us. Come sit with us. 01:00:15.500 --> 01:00:17.340 Come have a chat. If I'm having a dinner party, 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:19.940 and I know you overheard it, even though you 01:00:19.940 --> 01:00:21.519 weren't originally invited, I'm inviting you 01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.619 now. Let's believe you're coming now. My birthday 01:00:24.619 --> 01:00:27.489 party had like disgusting amount of people there 01:00:27.489 --> 01:00:29.369 and not because they all liked me I just did 01:00:29.369 --> 01:00:31.429 not want anybody to see it on social media and 01:00:31.429 --> 01:00:35.050 feel left out mm -hmm that was my fear like I 01:00:35.050 --> 01:00:37.110 did not need that many people there it was great 01:00:37.110 --> 01:00:40.809 thank you to all who came but like I yeah you 01:00:40.809 --> 01:00:46.150 did show up late with your little attitude but 01:00:46.150 --> 01:00:48.429 I was like wow this is when I saw these people 01:00:48.429 --> 01:00:50.929 are here but like I also am ready to go home 01:00:50.929 --> 01:00:54.420 myself And it is my home. Anyway, so I'm at coffee 01:00:54.420 --> 01:00:57.159 with number girl number two girl number three 01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:58.619 walks in she's in line I'm like, hey like you 01:00:58.619 --> 01:00:59.679 can come sit with us. She's like, you know, I 01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:01.579 gotta work But then she goes up to girl number 01:01:01.579 --> 01:01:03.659 two and she's like, I'll see you tonight. I can't 01:01:03.659 --> 01:01:05.739 wait It's gonna be so fun and girl number two 01:01:05.739 --> 01:01:07.780 said to girl number three like yeah It's gonna 01:01:07.780 --> 01:01:10.420 be the best and then grow number three like doesn't 01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:12.440 sit that far away from us. She's doing work We're 01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:14.300 getting you're getting ready to leave. I said, 01:01:14.460 --> 01:01:16.760 hey like it was so good to see you I'll see you 01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:18.840 at church on Sunday." And girl number two was 01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:21.219 like, I'll see you later tonight. And she was 01:01:21.219 --> 01:01:23.940 like, yeah. And then everybody from our small 01:01:23.940 --> 01:01:27.019 group was at the same of every single girl that 01:01:27.019 --> 01:01:29.360 we had even had over for dinner was at that. 01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:31.000 And it was a week after we'd just had people 01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:33.179 over for dinner. And I was like, oh, cool. So 01:01:33.179 --> 01:01:34.900 we were talking about being inclusive and hanging 01:01:34.900 --> 01:01:37.559 out with each other. But then you can't even 01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:43.000 toss an invite my way. Yep. God forbid. God forbid. 01:01:43.019 --> 01:01:46.039 I would have said no anyways. Yeah. I'd be like, 01:01:46.059 --> 01:01:51.000 sorry, now. I'd be like, I'm busy. Sorry. Bridgerton's 01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:53.699 on. Yeah, Bridgerton's on. But then girl number 01:01:53.699 --> 01:01:55.639 three reached out to us in a group chat, which 01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:58.619 she's never done before. The amount of people 01:01:58.619 --> 01:02:03.599 that reached out to us mere days after we left 01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:06.500 is kind of insane. Days, and they acted like 01:02:06.500 --> 01:02:11.400 it had been weeks or months. I love our life. 01:02:11.900 --> 01:02:16.349 Yeah. Anyways, so, put a finger down if you've 01:02:16.349 --> 01:02:18.489 ever been a part of a cult masquerading as a 01:02:18.489 --> 01:02:21.210 church. And you're putting two? Oh yeah, I am 01:02:21.210 --> 01:02:23.929 putting two. You're right, I have. I should almost 01:02:23.929 --> 01:02:26.190 put down three, but not quite. I'll put down 01:02:26.190 --> 01:02:28.949 like one and a half. Yeah, one and a half is 01:02:28.949 --> 01:02:32.050 good. That undergrad one was real odd. That was, 01:02:32.250 --> 01:02:37.429 dude, yeah. Anyways, so those are our final thoughts, 01:02:37.489 --> 01:02:39.389 I guess. Anything else you want to share that 01:02:39.389 --> 01:02:43.340 was a weird experience there? No, I didn't tell 01:02:43.340 --> 01:02:46.119 them about the wedding rings. Oh my gosh, you 01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:48.360 didn't tell okay. Also you had something else 01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:50.440 that I'm telling y 'all this final thought which 01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:53.159 was Supposedly this happened before we went to 01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:56.699 church there Someone and leadership got on stage 01:02:56.699 --> 01:02:59.820 and said the women were idolizing their wedding 01:02:59.820 --> 01:03:01.940 bands and wedding rings and that they needed 01:03:01.940 --> 01:03:04.260 to Submit them to the church and people got up 01:03:04.260 --> 01:03:08.469 and handed over their wedding rings y 'all. I 01:03:08.469 --> 01:03:10.469 wonder how much they got for the actual wedding 01:03:10.469 --> 01:03:14.650 rings. Anyways, I thought that was crazy. Um, 01:03:14.710 --> 01:03:16.809 yeah. Thanks for tuning in, Caitlin. Anything 01:03:16.809 --> 01:03:20.010 else you want to say? No, I guess just till next 01:03:20.010 --> 01:03:23.210 time, which I don't know if there will be. All 01:03:23.210 --> 01:03:36.599 right. Bye, y 'all. Bye. Thanks so much for listening 01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.760 to the living free podcast. I hope that you enjoyed 01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:43.059 it. 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