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If I Had a Hammer with Scott Holmes · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome finally to this week's episode of the Mystic Nerd Squad Podcast.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: You all, as you're catching this uh on the podcast and listening to the audio, you will have no idea the amount of energy and positivity that went into making this happen.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, recording today via Zoom instead of StreamYard with my guest today, Scott Holmes, who is absolutely the most patient technical support person I've probably ever come across.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: Take your first time.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: And uh the irony is not lost on me that the title of this episode is If I had a hammer, and if I had a hammer, perhaps I wouldn't have had as much patience with the computer and the technology challenges.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: But so I we always keep a rubber hammer available.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how it broke.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: It it's broken.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I need a new one.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Just need a new one, and that's all folks.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what happened.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: I it just doesn't work anymore.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: I I just because I hit it 12 times with a rubber mallet doesn't mean you know it can't work.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: We have to just laugh though, and I appreciate your keeping your cool this whole time, and just you know, some people might get really stressed out and be like, oh man, I'm not I'm not doing this, but you're like, yeah, that's all right.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I'm gonna ask the question how do people get annoyed, upset, or or on edge when they're around you?
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's almost impossible.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, I'm not married to you.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: I I would ask your husband, I'm not married to you, but other than that, I I I don't see anybody how anybody could.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: You are just that positive, that that lovely.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm very happy to be here this evening, and I appreciate that.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I do honestly enjoy this, regardless of all the technical difficulties.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's like if you problems in life, these would be the ones you would choose, right?
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: These are these are first world problems, they are not third world problems.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have a house, we have food, we have security, we have safety, we have our family, we have our health.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's all first world problems.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's little, little, little, little.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we're just we're just gonna get started on the conversation about you.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: And for people who haven't read your chapters, haven't spent time with you, don't know your histories, but that is probably like, oh yeah, okay.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: But they don't really know all that you've been through and how much work you've done to be at this version of yourself, version whatever 2.0, 15.3, whatever it happens to be 5.0.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: 5.0 is the good one.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I just want to thank you for for being here to talk about what you're doing.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I want to start with the elephant in the room.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if people are catching this on video, the gorgeous poster that's over your, I believe it's your left shoulder.
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  SPEAKER_00: Left or right.
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  SPEAKER_00: What I I can never tell because it'll be backwards.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: So so tell us a little bit about it says find your voice, save your life for.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me something about this transcendent, transcendent men.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: Laura, our very good friend from Brave Hero Productions, came to me and said, I'm looking for a guy to head up a guy's book.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: I can't get a guy's book done.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: I've i've I've asked 15 guys, and they all say, Yeah, well, um, and I um through just maybe stupidity, but but I said yes.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I I said, How hard can it be?
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: Until I realized every yoga class I went to, I was usually the guy.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: There might have been one more, but I was the guy.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: Every polarity class I took, I was the guy.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: I did theta healing.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: At least there was one other guy with that, but he was a friend of the woman, the woman doing it, and so I was kind of the guy.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, How many people, how many guys are there that are in this realm?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: The energy, the healing, the um, the woo-woo, if you will.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: How many guys are there?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the hard part.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: When I was coming up with the with this, it took me eight months.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, I thought, uh, we'll have this.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: Eight months is not a problem, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I was gonna have it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I got closer and closer, and I had five guys that I had signed up doing all this work.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: I interviewed 20, 20 guys, they were either so far in the realm of, you know, I'm not gonna waste my time doing a collaboration, or it's not the right time, or so I I didn't really want to give up.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she said, you know, you have to talk to Diana Leader.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Diana has a series of three books, and she wants to do a guy's book.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, okay, so we sat, Diana and I sat down and we went through probably four meetings, just the two of us talking back and forth.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Now, she had never had men as clients.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: She her realm was was really women's work and and funny.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: And she's and if you and as if you know Diana, you you know that she is very women's power, women's um using their voice to to make sure they're heard.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um having raised only daughters, uh, I understood because when I raised my daughters, I I wanted them to be independent, fiscally, physically, spiritually, emotionally, so that when their partner came around or an opportunity for that, they could give themselves fully.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't they didn't do the latch-on thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, good, he's gonna save me.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: We're talking partnership.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: So Diana and I formed that formed that kind of partnership with a complete understanding of where we wanted to take the book.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: In total, we interviewed 50 men.
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  unknown: Wow.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, because of timing, of life experiences, um, where they were in their in their journey, they they didn't they didn't fit.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then I had suggested that we meet every two weeks.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, two weeks?
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you do that?
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: I it's like, because I I truly believe this is a collaboration.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: Most of these guys, um, there were 22 of us, had not written anything, they had never written any published book.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: They were they were not healers, they were not um, you know, they weren't business people.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: Half half were half had were either teachers or healers, or um, there was a shaman, there was musicians, there was there was a lot of different energy, but they weren't they weren't authors, they weren't writers.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so the collaboration that we we formed, the friendships that we formed through this, and what I I really wanted to get out of this was the collaboration, true collaboration, meaning there is there's kind of how do we we how do we define transcendent?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: If you ask 22 people, 22 people are going to give you a different answer.
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  SPEAKER_00: Does it mean overcoming?
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  SPEAKER_00: Does it mean rising above?
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: Does it mean, you know, where are you, you know, who is transcendent?
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh is Buddha, um, Jesus Christ, uh, you know, whoever you you picture to be transcendent.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: Or is it that person that goes through a very tough time in their life gets to hits rock bottom and is able to bring himself out and become better on the other side.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: And when they do, they find themselves.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: I've I've often said that it's for me the journey was a million miles between my head, my heart.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because I never thought I had a heart.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: And he and and I know that sounds funny, but my wife would say, Hey, what do you how do you what do you feel about this?
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd be like, I don't know, whatever you want to do.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: However, if she asked me, Well, what do you think about this?
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: I would could, I could go on for two hours.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, easy, right?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was always in my head.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: And what this journey for me came through in my life journey after having lost my daughter, having lost my wife, um losing my parents last year, is uh dealing with life with compassion, right?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: Dealing with life with that uh that sense of self, a true understanding of self, but also wanting to give when when I when a person transcends what they've been through and they've gone through that tough work and they get on the other side and they're loving life, they want to share that.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: They want to be the teacher, they want to be, they want to enable other people to not have to, you know, don't put your hand on the stove, don't put your hand on your stove.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you put your hand on the stove and you burnt it.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we want, and and most of the guys, when we when as we go through this and through this process, and we we form this real strong um kinship, friendship, and and this where I have I have new friends.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when you get to a certain age, um, and I just turned 65 the other day.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you get to a certain age, you don't, it's not like high school and college, right?
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're supposed to meet new people, you're supposed to make new friends.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: You're supposed these are the the time in your life, but as you get older, you don't meet people as readily, and you certainly don't meet people who have a very similar connection.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: And all of these men have that connection of they wanted to tell their story.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: They all had been through very, very rough times, some of them, some of them horrible, but what they did in order to come out of it, they wanted to share and they wanted to model that, and they wanted to be and show other men how you could be the best, very best person you could be, affect everybody around you and and be that model.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I the subtitle we that we use was the model for masculinity.
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  SPEAKER_00: The one I used was how to be a guy without being an asshole.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you because you know it's guys are gruff, they was they're sharp, they're you know, they don't want to change, they don't, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been doing this for 45 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why do I need to do it any differently?
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
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  SPEAKER_00: Life changes in a minute, in a second, in an hour, and it's constant.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you have to be open to that.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: You have to be open for it.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: So we we I I said about if I had a hammer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the reason I use that is because the story I told the group is when I was about 12 years old, I said, My dad, Dad, can can I have a hammer?
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  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Why would you why do you want a hammer?
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  SPEAKER_00: What are you what are you gonna do?
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: I said, There's a there's a tree out back, and I I I think I'd like to buy, you know, build something with it.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: He said, Well, we don't really have a lot of wood, we don't, you know, we don't have a lot of resources.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: I said, that's okay.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: So he said, Well, here's a few nails.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so it was a three-fourth tree, and I built two steps, and then I built this very small platform.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm thinking, wow.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I climb up and it's all of three and a half feet off the ground.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and I'm standing on it myself, and my 12-year-old self, and I'm looking at him, wow, this is what my dad must must see, how he sees life.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I could see taller, I could see further.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pretty cool.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I was it just gave me a new perspective.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd say, call my friend up, friends up, and I say, Come on.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, only two of us could stand on it at a time because it was so small.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: And we'd look at it and say, Hey, this is pretty cool.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know what we could do?
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't we why don't we be able build, you know, a real we could get more people, we could build a a tree house.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't have anything.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my dad has some over here, and then one of my other friends said, you know, we just we just my dad just tore out a window.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: We could you put a put a real window in it.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh where I grew up, there were there were 13 boys within three years of age.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: And we all we all knew each other, we hung out together, we played sports, we did all those things.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so we built a much bigger, it could fold six people at a time, and it had it had it ended up having you know sides on it, and we had a real window in it, and we could climb up in it, and it was really cool, and you know, nope, you could go up there and you could hide, and it's okay.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: The bugs won't get you, I promise.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: So we we did that, and and we started kind of it kind of be started becoming a meeting place.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: And somebody said, Dad just threw away a tire.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't we put them make a swing?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: So there's this huge, we went up, we climbed the tree, and we went up 40 feet.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they had this huge tire swing, so now you could just push it forever, you know.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: And we so whenever you wanted to find somebody, you went to the tree house.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so, as we're hanging out there, they go, you know what would be really cool?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: We have a roof on this.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: What if we could climb on the roof?
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: So we cut a hole in it with a ladder to get up, and we're so now we're on top of the roof.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: Now we're about 20 feet up, and we're on the roof and we're supporting it.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then we said, you know what?
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: My dad just has a wooden ladder he wants to get rid of.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: What if we use that for support?
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: Now it ended up having seven different levels on it.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: When we stood on the top level, I don't know, I don't know if you know what a three-decker is.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a flat roofed uh house with three three apartments in it.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, when we stood on that, we we could see over a 45-foot three-decker.
• 16:28
  unknown: Wow.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: There were 17 kids on that in that tree all at once hanging out on on different levels.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: It became really a meeting place all through my my teenage years, all through, you know, the kids that were that were younger than us would could would come.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: We'd play board games there in the summer, you know, we just sit up there and look at the through the trees of the clouds.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: And it and I and I the reason I told that story was because that's how I saw this collaboration with fine for transcendent men is that if you build it, they will come.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: If you if you talk in in ideology, people are like, well, well, or an idea, right?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: You had an idea and you're doing this with um courses, you're doing it with people, you're doing all that, but not until you have it, people can see it, touch it, feel it, smell it.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: Does it become real for them that they say, Oh wow, yeah, I think we can do that.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: So it's that idea that that whole collaboration, that whole understanding.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I use the analogy for I had a hammer because all my life I've used different hammers to do different things.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: So the I'm I'm 25 years old, I'm married, and I have a couple kids, and my mom says, You really got to take it down.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's you know, it's just kind of it's getting old.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it weathered storms and hurricanes and and snow, and it stayed up there.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: So as I'm taking it down, I'm just kind of reflecting, you know, here I am.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: I've got the ladder up.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm married, I I've got kids, I've got two jobs.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking about how important that that that place was, how it how it became a center for us to hang out for for kind of a center uh of all of it.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I I still hang out with a couple of my guy, my buddies that I met when I was eight years old.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh every Friday night we go to a friend's house and uh we play darts and drink beer and tell eyes.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: And we um but we've known each other for over 57 years.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it's it's that bond.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: They they know all the versions of me as much as I've known all the versions of them.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: And we've all gone and gone away and moved away, and we came back to where close to where we grew up and um found each other.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: So there's that that just the friendship, that bonding.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: And the funny thing that's happened through this book as we've done it.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, two weekends ago, I went out to Minneapolis.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: I flew from Boston to Minneapolis because Dan Gorbono was having a warrior weekend.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now he is a practitioner of Native American rituals, and we did a sweat lodge and we did all these really cool, funky uh stuff.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: I've never I always wanted to experience them, you know.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Have not walked on hot coals yet.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I still, yeah.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm I I have a feeling I'm gonna end up doing that.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I I look at it this way if there are so many people that do something like this and experience it, where's the fear?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: Why, why my curiosity, and I and I've always always felt that there are really two things in life, especially when you have a partner and you and you have joy in your life, is two things curiosity because you will always be young, because you always want to learn, you always want to change, you always want to understand.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: You have that, you have that with everybody that you interview.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: You have that curiosity, which comes so so much.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: You are you are a a 13-year-old girl in a grown-up body, because and you have not lost that spirit.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: I absolutely adore it.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: And the other, and the other thing is a shared sense of humor with the those closest to you.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Because if your husband takes a whipped cream pie and puts it in your face and you don't think it's funny, there's probably gonna be a problem.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, that he didn't know that you should never ever do that if you do think it's funny, but also because life throws so many things at us, life will throw those obstacles in front of you.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and if you don't have that shared sense of humor, you're not gonna weather all those hard times.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was I was sitting in a ball game, and there was this young couple, and they were having a very serious discussion.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: They were at that point in their life where you know, should we buy a house?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, when do we get married?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: All that.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I was just talking, they said, Well, you were married for a long time.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what do you have to say about that?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, You need those two things.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: And they looked at me and said, I've never heard that.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, when you go through a lot of crap, you will you'll understand it, you know.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: And it was really uh, really just very interesting the conversations.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Do you find that when as you are now and where you are now, that people come to you or are attracted to you and will tell start telling you things and asking you things that they would never ask anybody else?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's always been that way.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think you've always been that been that open, you've been empathic, you've been all you've been always been that open and that that that caring, and and you're you wear your heart, yeah, it's right out in front of you.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: And that's such it's probably very demanding for you emotionally, I'm sure.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that that's such a good.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: It is or has been, it isn't now because I'm more than you have an understanding of it, right?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I I know that and I understand better why I'm here, who I am, what my purpose is, you know, how I contribute to the world, you know, on all timelines.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know all the nerdy things that we talk about, right?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: When we're we're on this healing journey, but yes, I've always had that capacity.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: So choosing to do a podcast just made absolute inherent sense and doing it the way I'm doing it.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not, and I tell people this all the time, I'm not doing this for myself.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's purely because I love shining the light on these amazing things.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it's so funny you picked the word curiosity or shared that the word curiosity is important because that's what I say like follow your curiosity.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: You never know where it's gonna take you, and that's exciting.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: And these are candid conversations for the curious.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're curious, there's just no limits to where you're going.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I love that in a sense of humor 100%.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh my husband and I have been married for 10 years, we've been together for 16 and a half, something like that.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: But we said from the beginning, we're only doing this if this is fun.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like as soon as it's not fun, and we can't, like, you know, and we laugh at things that nobody else would ever understand.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's called black, it's called knowing knowing your spouse and and in the worst of times having black humor.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you say things to each other that are absolutely terrible that if anybody ever heard them, but it's okay because you understand.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we have we we always, you know, when we get the time to spend time together, we always we're always laughing.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's always about that.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's not, you know, we enjoy each other's company so much.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: So joy, so joy, the joy, you you live with that, you have that, you have that in just your your heart space is just so wide open.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's just absolutely amazing.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, tell you, tell you a quick story.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: So my granddaughters turned 13.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: And earlier in the summer, I brought Sheena's brother, who's three years older.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Can't stand heights, but we went sky sky uh in the tunnel, skydiving where you where you where you go in, you're you're just floating there.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we went there and they said, Well, for ten dollars, we'll we'll shoot your way up.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, You guys want to do that?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Yeah.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: So the first time you go in, you're you're understanding how you're you're you're hanging.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: And then the second time you go in, 30 feet up straight.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then they bring you down slowly, they bring then they bounce you up, and then they bring you six inches from the ground.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: I I didn't do it, they did.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but of course, I'm sitting with with the helmet and everything and the goggles and everything else, and I have 10 kids sitting on the thing.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: All the parents are on the other side, they're they're with their phones recording everything, right?
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm with my grandkids.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I go up, my my grandson was scared of heights.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: I said, How was it?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Great.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so my granddaughter is like, Yes.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: Afterwards, she says to me, Papa, can we jump out of an airplane?
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: 13 years old.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: She plays soccer, cheerleading, softball.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: She's just, you know, she's got she's got she's got abs to to die for.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: She's got it, she's got abs better than her brother who plays football, basketball, baseball.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Yes, look it up.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: So we looked it up and said, No, you have to be 18.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: I said, What about bungee jumping?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: She said, Yeah.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: She looked it up.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: No, you have to be 18.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: She said, What about ziplining?
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I said, find the longest one.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: Found the longest one, and it happened to be three hours away in Massachusetts.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's basically a um it's Cataman Mountain and it's a ski ski slope.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: So you go up on the ski lift, go to the top, you go down a thousand, about a thousand feet uh zip line, and they they're trying to figure out if you can go through it because once you get going, you cannot stop because this is over a mile long from the top to the bottom, a mile.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: What you're strapped in.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you pull down and you just go, and you're going 55, 60 miles an hour, screaming down this, and there's we're going together.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: So there's two of us, and we're going together.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: So she she's all of 90 pounds soaking width.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: She pulls it really hard, she flies.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I pull it three about three quarters, get kind of get a feel.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Then I push down and I'm flying.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a little bit heavier than chance.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm 6'2, 200 pounds.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm flying down.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: So she slows down to look over and I go screaming by her because she told me she was going to beat me.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to beat you down.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: Not that she's competitive, of course.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh oh, no, no, no, no.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: She's she just plays sports seven days a week.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm getting down, I'm just slowing down.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, as you get down to the end, they say, okay, this line starts.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: So she comes screaming in, hits the spring, and pushes it all the way back.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: And she looks over at me and smiles because she beat me by two feet.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: We we went a mile long and she beat me by two feet.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: So she was happy.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: She says, I want to apologize.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: I said, For what?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: She said, You didn't hear me?
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: I said, No, I could only hear the wind whistling.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: She said, I was screaming the whole way and swearing the whole way down.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry if all the words I said.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Why would you do it again?
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: She says, Oh, yeah.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: So the reason I tell that story is I now have a date with my granddaughter after she turns 18 to jump out of an airplane.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: She and I.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there you go.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: She doesn't sound like someone who's gonna forget.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh Lord, no.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: At 18 months old, she was running a house who had two older brothers and parents, and she was running the house.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, she's she's usually gets her way.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um but that's that's you know, we've gone rock climbing, we've done archery, we go, we go mountain, you know, mountain hiking, we do we do those things.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Her parents don't do those things, but I get to do those with them.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: Usually, but with my grandkids, I'm usually viewing them anyway because they're so sports-oriented.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: I get to view them playing sports or at practice or you know, and then I get one of these, and that's kind of sort of about it because they're with the teammates, they're with their friends, they were, you know, and that's fine.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: But when I take them and we do adventures, things that they don't normally do, then I get that that time off the phone talking.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that's that for me is just everything.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: So again, it's connection, it's collaboration, it's doing the fun stuff.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, the guy, some of the guys in the book were going to be meeting in in Florida in November.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: Some of the guys I went out to Minneapolis.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, there were 12 of us at that warrior training, and they were all shocked that I would fly from Boston to do this.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, yeah, why not?
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's my birthday present of myself.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: I got an offer to go to Bali because one of the authors lives there.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I was going to bring my girlfriend out to Paris, April in Paris, you know, the whole da-da-da-da-da.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I said, Well, we can still go to Paris or we have an opportunity to go to Bali.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: She went, Okay, no choice.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Bali, it is.
• 32:16
  unknown: Yeah.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I looked, I think um, next April, May, where we may very well be in Bali.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: I spent time in uh I went 17 days.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: My friend and I, when I turned 60, best friend, he was the best man at my wedding.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: And we spent 17 days in Europe.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: We went to we landed in uh Munich, uh, went to Prague, went through all through Germany.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: On my 60th birthday, I woke up the night before.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: I said to my buddy Paul, I said, I want to do something special for my birthday.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm turning 60.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: So we had breakfast in Germany.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: We had lunch in Strasbourg, France, and we had dinner in Switzerland.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I thought it was a wonderful way to celebrate Turning 60.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: The next year, and the next year we went to 17 days to Thailand, Cambodia, and Vietnam.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just absolutely stunning.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: The year after that, I went to Singapore and Malaysia.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason for that is a long story, and I know you you don't have a couple hours, but suffice it to say that that curiosity is all about travel.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um it changes your perspective.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: When I say first world problems, we don't worry about where our next meal is coming from.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: We don't worry that we don't have running water, we don't worry that we're going to be cold or that we can't we don't have enough money for for more than one shirt.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: So when I look at that perspective, I I just, you know, gratitude is that that that tool that I use on a daily basis, night, every night, I think I'm thankful for the day that I've had and everything that's been in it, and everything, everybody I've been able to to touch, you know, just connect with.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: And in the morning, the chance for another day.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: And that gratitude, that sense of gratitude, of appreciation takes me through each and every day.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a wonderful, wonderful tool to use for everybody out there that we don't realize how good we have.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: The fact that we can be on Zoom, okay, you and I.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: And you're I'm in Boston.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, you're I'm in Boston and you're in New York.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: You're in Jersey, right?
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: So all of you know, the fact that we can do this instantaneously is is absolutely miraculous.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: And the fact that you can take this and and stream it to anybody and everybody.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: And think about this.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: People from all over the world can see this at any time.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm hoping that these words that you that you put out there, these these all of this that you put out there, people hear when they need to.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think that's where we're why we're here.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's why I am here.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: Your voice is always right there.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is, it is about that.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's and you know, speaking to like find your voice, save your life, you're I'm not even at that point anymore.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm at the whose life, life am I affecting in in all places and spaces, present and future, you know, and giving people like yourself the opportunity to share your stories, to share your gems in life and be able to pay those forward to people who will receive it and it will inspire them in some way.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, even just thinking back to what you were saying about, you know, all you wanted was a hammer to make yourself a little platform.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: You had no idea that it was going to become, you know, a triple decker kind of a thing where you you and it included so many people.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: So but the purity of your intention was there, and the excitement and the desire of well, if I can get this high up off the ground and I can get this perspective, then what happens if I do this?
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Which leads to you, you're gonna be 70 and jumping out of an airplane.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's gonna give you even bigger perspective, that's bigger than your your original.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: That'll give you perspective.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you've never been up in a small plane, it gives you a new appreciation for being on a jetliner.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because when you're on a small six-seater or four-seater, you feel every single, and it's it's it's pretty cool.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um what do you what you have out there right there is in sacred death.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: You I see that in sacred medicine.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: And the writing that you've done.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um I want to I'll I'm gonna just key something that I want to ask you.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: But I've written in three of the books with Brave Halo Productions.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: Each one has been um an adventure and a journey for me to really delve into uh telling my story.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: But it's also changed my story.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: It really has because it's now I've told my stories and that's wonderful.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: I had the opportunity and I've grown through them.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: But now my story has changed because it's about what I'm doing and going to do.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: And um one of the authors said, you know, it doesn't bother me that a million people might might read my story.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: But the scariest part is when my the people closest to me read it.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they go, well, that's not how I remember it.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, sometimes that's that gets to but how has writing what has that done for you?
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: For me, I think it's I think it's a beautiful way to track where I've been, you know, and I think about like other people in my life and how much it would have been so special to have their perspective on their stories, you know, and and what they were going through.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like you know, if I'm blessed someday to have grandchildren for them to be able to read it and be like, Grandma, you did what?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: You wrote what?
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me more about this.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think, you know, uh true story.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: When I I wrote for Sacred Death, and I wrote about my grandfather, and uh he was in France and and a couple other places during World War II and writing to my grandmother before they were married, and so I have a box of letters between them back and forth and back and forth, and you know, and they're their budding relationship through it, and they both had just this beautiful way of setting the tone in the picture of what was happening in their lives then, and to me, it's just historically, it's fascinating, you know, having been their grandchild, it's fascinating, like just the whole idea of the the time and how letters were the way that people communicated, and you know, we're so used to the instantaneous, but there could have been like weeks in between an answer to a question that was written in a letter, you know.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I think for people to have a track of who I was and where I went and what I thought and how I felt, I think is really special.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm far past that point of like, oh god, what if somebody reads this?
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: I feel the more I lean into who I am, the more people feel that permission to do so themselves.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I see it that way now.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not, you know, really worried about how people are going to receive it.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of that's kind of my take on it.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: And writing for me is just it's the same as breathing, my heart beating, blinking my eyes.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's such an inherent part of who I am.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: And that is a wonderful thing.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: That is a wonderful thing.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: The what I do for work, and I do it part-time because I uh I work in IT uh for local public schools.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: But what I do is I uh locally I uh people are drawn to me, and it's it's I'll tell you something, just a story that happened recently.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: So as you get elevated, as you as as you get higher vibrationally and in all of this through my website, gentleman contacted me.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, you know, I won't give particulars, but he he just said, I'd really like to I need to connect with you.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I said, Okay.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I I called him and I we arranged a call.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Well, I have a Reiki, I have two people that do Reiki for me.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: One is in Florida, one is he he lives in St.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_00: Louis, and and another one is in St.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: Louis.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the one in St.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: Louis said, You need to see somebody.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: And the woman in Florida said, You need to see Scott Holmes.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: Now I don't know her.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: I've never met her, I've never connected with her.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, So she said to get in touch, she said yes.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: She was told to tell me to get in touch with you.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, seriously.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: So we're we're just about to start sessions, um, actually tomorrow night.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: But it things come to you when you put it out there.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I have the reason I I brought that up because of how I was very affected by it in that I was touched my heart um that these things come when you you don't know where they're coming from, least expected, and that I can do some good with healing people, and that's so I've always said I'm gonna be living 100.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I have another 35 years of doing this work, um, because I I was gonna go for massage, but you can only do that so long because it takes such a weird care on your body.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: But I can do energy work forever.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: And when I in in the healing and the grounding and the clearing that I do with people, leaves them the space to be able to find themselves, make better choices, feel grounded in their life, and be able to start finding the joy in living.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: And that's that's where I am with everything that I do.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: But I also heal the healers, those people that that heal others don't always take care of themselves, and they they forget sometimes about the basics of of what and how they do it, and they do it do it for everybody else, and sometimes they're so involved in the 5D that the 3D takes a hit, and you gotta have to you have to be so your body has to be able to handle all the energy that you're moving, all those intentions, all everything that you're doing.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so I found um found a few ways to be able to help those who heal others, and that's where I keep hearing.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't hear a lot of things, but I I keep getting whispered in my ear to this is what you need to do.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: This is what you need to do.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, got it.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: All right, I hear you.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm heading there, I'm getting there.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, apparently not always to their liking fast enough, but I am getting there.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: And and in talking with you, that helps me get to where I need to go.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because I find that the more I express it, the more that I put it out there, the more comes back.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: And this is an absolutely wonderful facility.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: To be able to do that.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's so true what you said.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think, um, especially when you sort of get into this spiritual journey and you're sort of like you said, up here in the 5D in the cosmos, and you know, forget to eat and drink and sleep, and all of a sudden you're like, oh gosh, when was the last time I XYZ?
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, wait, humans, they require upkeep.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: Really do, we really do.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: This body is is is actually meant to last much longer than 100 years, by the way.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_00: This body is meant to not disintegrate the way it does.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: And if we can bring energy through our our bodies and make and through our light bodies in the correct way, if we balance everything and everything's working perfectly, who knows how long it's gonna last?
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, and it's so funny because I'm laughing because my son asked me the other day that like who who lived the longest, mom?
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: Who's the oldest person on the planet now?
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: Who lived the longest?
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you start doing all your your research with the the uh what is it called?
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the world records, right?
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: So you hold the world.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: Kenneth's world record, yeah.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like 129 or something years old.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: This little little Russian woman in in r in this little woman in Russia, and and they say, Well, what do you she says hard work and good vodka?
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's all she's got, right?
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: Excuse the cat.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um always, it's always okay.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um he likes being on television.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: He's he's got a bit of an ego.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: He gotta apologize.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, the it's uh that those people that you always find.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: My grandfather was 92 and had a better memory than I've ever had at 92.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: He could remember years and dates and people and and events, and he was he loved people and he loved talking to them and he could remember absolutely everything.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I just I was so fascinated with that because I'll I'll be introduced to somebody in two minutes after I meet them, I names gone just out of my head.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: Just that I'm like searching for it.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, please, please say your name again.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm really hoping you do, because I don't wonder really what I look for.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it really is.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I the body is meant to, and I I find that the more if you don't use it, you're gonna lose it.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: So physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, every curiosity curiosity of life.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't use it, you will lose it.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: And at 70 years old, you're gonna be sitting in the same house doing the same thing, eating off, eating in front of the television and not doing anything in life.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that is not I'm retiring in in a couple of years, and I plan on work kind of holds me back.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: I intend to travel and teach and train and heal all over the world.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to do I I intend to do that and and to really touch and and connect with as many people as I possibly can, because that's what life is all about.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: You want to talk about immortality?
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: Immortality is that part of you within somebody.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: A friend of mine, her mom in high school said to me, I realize something that I can only make so many changes in this world.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: I can only make you know a difference in this world by small degrees.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: But if part of me goes into my children, and then part of that part of them goes into their grandchildren, and it might be in my great grandchild that helps cure, find a cure for cancer, and I'm a part of that, that's how I can change the world by being and have it having a part of me within them.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's that that little touch people have thanked me for things that I don't even realize I've said to them that encourage them to do things that they wouldn't normally do or they were thinking about doing.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just that encouragement.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: Most people are just as we know, most people fear inhibits uh the growth, they inhibits them stepping forward.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna I'm gonna find out whether that inhibits me from jumping out of that airplane.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes, it it's you it bravery is is not the absence of fear, bravery is being afraid and doing something anyway.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I have to say that for you to take on the project of you know creating this space for this collaboration to come forward um and find your voice they realize for, I I think that is that is bravery, you know, to to boldly go into that space and to open space, like I said, for all these gentlemen to come in and to participate.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's so incredibly special.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: And here's what's happened because of it.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: I have guys who want to tell their story now.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know where that's gonna lead.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: But they, you know, I was talking with a gentleman who was incarcerated uh unfairly for 22 years.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: And he's absolutely one of the warmest kinds guys you'd ever want to meet right now.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he was he's as he said, he was angry for years and years and years.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um but he he understands things now.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I said, would you like a place to tell your story?
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: He said, Yes.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I think, you know, can't tell that man men is not just a one-off.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think um it's truly gonna be more because that vulnerability, men don't get that very often.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: They don't get the chance to be there and they don't aren't in a safe place because they've always be got to be the guy.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: And they they have all those expectations they were raised with, and just being able to feel and express those feelings.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I didn't know for years that I could express how I felt for years, because I I had all the armor on.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_00: I uh built castle walls to protect everyone and everything.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: The only problem is they became a prison.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody could get it in, but I couldn't get out.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so bringing all those down and taking the armor off and and shedding all that, you know, you don't need it to be brave, you don't need it to be, you don't need to be the shite knight in shining armor.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um that that part of your heart when it when it's glowing that bright is stronger than any other force on earth.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: I I truly have no fear anywhere anymore.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: And um led me led me to to talk to you tonight, and that's that's I find is really absolutely amazing and beautiful.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think this project is is one of many to come, and uh you're definitely uh a way shower and a path striker, and allowing men to have their voice heard as well, I think is important, and not to downplay you know having female voices be heard, but I think the idea that we can equalize that a little bit and and allow the human experience to be one where our feelings can be expressed and celebrated regardless of what our what we identify as, I think is a really special way to pave way for the future and for our children and grandchildren, you know.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think the the biggest part of all of this in the journey is that you know women have found their masculine side, which is absolutely wonderful.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's what I wanted for my daughter.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted them to feel that equality, that that strength.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: But the dichotomy is that men in order to be truly become a fully evolved man has to find their sacred feminine.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: And if I you have to be very careful, by the way, about who you approach that with because you might get punched in the nose.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um because because it's a very foreign concept.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_00: But if you look at but if you if you look at that long list of names for transcendent men, they are some of the most giving, vulnerable uh people I've I've ever met, and they want to heal the world.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: They truly do with everything that they do.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: Whether it's one person at a time or a hundred people at a time, they want to do that and they want to give back.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's where we all get to at a certain point is just being able to do that.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_00: The other one other one other thing before we go, that you know, in telling our stories, and you've told your stories at least those four times, if not another hundred and four times, that you know, we we all because we've lived our life, we don't necessarily think it's extraordinary.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_00: We were there.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: We experienced it.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: But someone else looks at that and says, Oh my gosh, I could never do that.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: I could never.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: How could you ever get through that?
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where I think it's so important that we tell our stories, that we maintain this communication, that we maintain this this uh flow of ideas and love and spirit and light and all of that.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's going to touch someone when they want to hear need to hear it the best at that best time.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: That that one time when they're just one either that or uh in many cases, I need to, you know, when you need when people need a kick.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: When you ask them the that really tough question, and they get that that deer in the headlights look in their eyes, right?
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: And they go, Oh crap, he caught me.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: And you ask the question.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: The one time I love clients coming in because they usually come in because they they're at a point in their life and they want to change something.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: And the third third or fourth session, they come in and go, I don't know what we're gonna talk about today.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's when you you go, okay, let's talk about now that you're pretty much settled, let's talk about what's really going on, and that's when the real work begins.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_01: 100% yes.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: It does.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I thank you.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: This has been so wonderful having you here.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I thank you for your flexibility, patience, and problem-solving skills in terms of iTunes.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I really encourage everybody watching, everybody listening, um, to download a copy of the book from Kindle or purchase a handheld book if you're still into that.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but share it with someone.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking to myself, this is this is a book to pass on, maybe to a young man graduating college or or high school or somebody going through a tough time, just to have people whose stories you can resonate with and capture the essence of that piece of thing where we go through something and we come out the other side and we're different, we're transformed.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I think reading all of these stories, you realize the transformations you have already been through and never registered for yourself, and the potential and the possibilities become endless for you.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, how much better can your life get?
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: So it sounds like from my perspective on the other side of the virtual table, that your life can't really get much better, except maybe to be fully retired so that you're you're not forced to to record with keeping on your schedule and not being able to travel as much as you desire.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_01: But it sounds like there's there's a lot of joy in your life and you're just getting started.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I really am.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um I wake up every day and just I just know that something amazing is gonna happen.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: And thanks to you, my day has been amazing.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh thank you.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_01: Likewise, I think this is such a great conversation, a great um opportunity for people to get a sense of what you're up to.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll have in the show notes all the places that you can find Scott and please, please, please read this book.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to change your life.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_01: And once you get through that and you're looking for something else to read, um, Scott and I have been part of this collaborative book because people in our circle, we just keep doing books together, right?
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: So this is Wells Code's Sacred Strategies for Abundance.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we both wrote in this book.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_01: And um, if you're looking to up level your life in terms of abundance, wealth, health, happiness, joy, ecstatic living, which you know Jen Kusana was known for, then you need to get a copy of this book and get yourself through A to Z.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's an amazing guide.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_01: So um, we will also link that in the show notes for you.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so appreciative of your time and your energy.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: And um I I look forward to hearing from you again.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: And please come back um uh sooner than you know after you jump out of the plane at 70.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_01: But definitely want to hear about that adventure um in whatever format the podcast happens to be at that point because the the audience is gonna want to know how this plays out in the end.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: It was a pleasure.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right, everyone.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_01: I want to thank you so much for being here with us.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_01: And remember what I always say stay curious, follow that curiosity.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: You never know where it's gonna lead you.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: Have a good night.