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Cubs fall as offense sputters, Vikings & JJ McCarthy questions with Dane Mizutani & the Voice of the Chiefs Mitch Holthus · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  All right, good afternoon. Welcome to Miller and Condon on
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  a Tuesday, the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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  Frank Condon, Ken Miller with you for the next couple of hours
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  to talk sports with you. Thanks for starting your
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  afternoon with us. Now, here's what's coming up on
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  our program. We will head north to the Twin
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  Cities. Dan Mazatani, the beat writer
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  for the Saint Paul Pioneer Press, covers the Vikings.
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  We will get Dane and obviously question numero one, maybe two
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  and three as well, the quarterback JJ McCarthy and how
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  he's looking and what it means and what may happen this weekend
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  as far as JJ McCarthy and some of the starters seeing the
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  field. Because I heard O'Connell say
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  that after this week, doesn't sound as though they're going to
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  see any more playing time. Subject to change is what he
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  said. But Dane Mazatani was part of
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  that press conference and he's been in practice every single
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  day. So the latest on the Vikings
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  with Dane at 12:30-ish. Then Mitch Holtis, chief daily
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  training camp reports. Papa John's or state of Iowa,
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  they sponsor those. Xavier Worthy, the focus of
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  today's conversation with Mitch, I look forward to that at 12:45
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  and at 1:00 from Pro Football Focus.
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  So it's a football heavy day today NFL wise.
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  Dalton Wasserman has been with us a couple of times.
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  He will join us. General NFL questions for for
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  Dalton coming up here at 1:00 and that will bring the guest
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  list on a Tuesday to an end. Trent, we'll have some plays of
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  the day, circus sports sponsor those.
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  They'll get to those about to 150 or thereabouts before we
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  turn it over to Lucas. And I think he said David
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  Eicholt is with him today. So that's what's coming up at
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  2:00. But we recap what happened
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  yesterday in sports. Not a good day for the Cubs in a
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  lot of areas. Dansby Swanson not being able to
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  touch to tap the bag. Yes.
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  You know what? He's getting killed for it, and
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  I'm going to cut him some slack. Well.
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  Without him they don't even have a run that's.
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  True, because he hit the two run home run in the game.
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  He did commit an error in the field, which doesn't happen very
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  often. But the guy's hustling his ass
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  off down to first base and didn't have his steps right and
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  he tried to reach with that foot to tap the bag.
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  He knew it was going to be close and if he did, and that's what
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  it was called, the beginning with the tying run, rather was
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  going to score, but in the end it didn't.
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  And the Cubs fall again. Their their offense is just, I
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  mean, I, I think Saya Suzuki is 6 for his last 50.
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  Kyle Tucker, Not much better. No, not at all.
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  PCA in a horrific slump. And he looked lost, lost.
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  And that pinch hit the he let one go by that he didn't think
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  was a strike. I mean, that was sadly in the
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  box that he loved so much. I do.
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  Love the box? And the two swings he had, yeah,
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  were just brutal. I mean, awful.
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  No shot. Kyle Tucker doesn't look real
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  confident. No what?
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  And if he does get a hit, if the if the bat finds a way to hit
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  the ball. I think he's closing his eyes to
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  begin with, but it's a single at best.
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  That's just the way he's been lately.
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  Need more from him. The offense is anemic right now
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  and worse, to make matters worse, their trade deadline
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  acquisition, Soraka, He's already out two innings and he's
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  done. His velocity's going down in his
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  last few starts with the Nationals.
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  And for whatever reason, Jed Hoyer thinks that that should be
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  their target. That's the guy they should go
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  after. They bought damaged goods,
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  damaged goods, and there's nothing they can do about it.
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  The Nationals, They must have been.
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  Are you seriously want this guy? His velocity interrupted 3
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  consecutive starts. Back-to-back to back starts.
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  If that's not a red flag, I don't know what is.
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  He was good in the first inning, struck out this, you know, there
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  was a hit in there, but did 3 strikeouts in the first inning,
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  got through the 2nd and then that's it.
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  And now he's shut down and it was no, well, we'll check him
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  out in the morning. We'll see how he is in the
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  morning. Boom, no, instantly he's on the
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  ili. Don't know what it means,
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  Certainly not good news. We will see.
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  Brown comes in and it was really good.
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  He was excellent. He was really good last night.
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  He did not deserve the faith that was handed to him.
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  You know, Deshea's talked about that a little bit, though, and
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  he was mentioning that sometimes for a guy that has been
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  struggling and though just last time, yeah.
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  Just don't have the day to. Think about it.
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  Marinate on your start. Going through the scout report
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  at the same level, you're looking at the scout report
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  because you know you're the long reliever and that means you're
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  going to go in at any time. So you're always looking at it,
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  but it's that time where you're just go.
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  And Deshays was kind of that guy, right?
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  Yeah. He had some high watermarks, but
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  he was a long reliever. He was a fist starter.
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  He was a filling guy at times in his career, and he understands
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  that role. And for a guy like Brown, just
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  go out there and use your because it's not a stuff
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  problem. He's got to develop more.
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  But when you're just talking about raw stuff, that's not the
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  issue with Brown. He was really good last night.
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  Trent, I'm with you. He was really good.
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  We'll see here. Here's the, I guess if there is
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  a silver lining, the Cubs and the Brewers play five times next
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  week, 2 on Monday, then Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
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  Is that 5. That's 55 games next week
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  against each other. Double header makeup game from
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  way back early in the season on Monday and and then obviously
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  the Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday games.
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  So at this point, the Brewers seemingly, you're never going to
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  lose. They just keep finding ways to
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  win. It is unbelievable that where
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  they're playing right now. I can't go as far as to say the
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  division is lost, but come talk to me next Friday.
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  You're. Jumping ahead though, that's not
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  till the 18th. I thought it was next week.
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  No, it's not till the 18th that the five gamer starts, because
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  before that, yes, we got weekend series coming up against the
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  Cardinals. Then your Blue Jays come to
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  town. Are you going to?
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  No, no, actually it's in Toronto.
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  So let's see. After that, two weeks, two
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  weeks, the Pirates. Then it's the Brewer series.
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  So give me give me the schedule between when the when the Reds
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  leave. So at Saint Louis this weekend,
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  OK, off day Monday, then they go to Toronto for three.
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  Yeah, home for the. Pirates and then back.
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  To Cubville and then it will be the five gamer with the Brewers.
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  OK, town. OK.
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  Well, it's coming. It's.
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  Getting there now. In the interim, the Brewers will
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  wrap up here against the Braves. Then they get the Mets.
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  It's a big series. Big.
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  Series again. Yeah, Mets blew another one
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  yesterday. Came back from A5 zip deficit to
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  tie the game only to blow it. Pirates at home at the Reds
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  before the five gamer Oh yeah the Brewers at this pace,
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  they're gonna be 10 games up they.
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  Could be. They could be.
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  Oh boy. How how does this team do this
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  all of a sudden though with? The Brewers, I don't know,
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  Trent, they're they're, they're confounding to me.
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  You know who they are. They're the National League
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  version of the Tampa race, the Bay Race.
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  They just are. How would they do it?
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  It's it's smoke and mirrors. It's a really good manager and
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  both of them have really good managers.
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  But since Woodruff's been back, this team, they they found their
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  pitcher. They're just good.
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  Cheerio's hurt. Yeah, he is, isn't he?
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  He's on the IL. And they, it sounds like he's
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  gonna be OK, but was it hamstring injury or something
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  like that? And it's gonna, I mean, he's a
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  stud. Yeah.
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  But you know, Frehlich's been up and down.
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  Hoskins has had a a bounce back type of season.
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  They're not gonna get this out of Andrew Vaughn, though.
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  Right. Well, aren't they?
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  No, they this can't. How bad does this make the White
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  Sox look? This was the third overall pick.
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  Already surpassed what he did all season long with the White.
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  Rushman went one. Bobby Wood junior went 2.
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  Andrew Vaughn went 3. White Sox got the pick right,
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  but then they couldn't develop them.
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  Brewer spent a week on them, fixed them.
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  Like what we got here? Look what we got here indeed.
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  So we'll see tonight, obviously, Game 2 of this Red Series, the
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  Brewers again, they'll never lose.
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  They take on, they stay in, I think.
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  Where are they? Washington for this one here
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  tonight. Good stuff.
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  Speaking of another never losing 5 run first inning from the Sox
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  last night, The Red Sox, they hold off and a late charge from
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  you said it yesterday and I guess maybe I was still on
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  vacation mode. Yeah, the Red Sox can win this
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  division. They can win the division.
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  They can win this division. Now the good news for I mean as
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  far as watching the scoreboard, this Toronto is in Colorado.
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  So as as bad as I felt after watching the Cub piss win that
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  way, I I made myself feel markedly better because that
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  flipped over the X to the Expos to the Blue Jays and the
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  Rockies. And what was the final score?
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  15 to one or something? I think I turned it to flip.
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  The channel was 14 to 1. I felt pretty good and got my
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  spirits back up a little bit. 25 hits.
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  You know, I think. It might be a team record 25
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  hits. If it's not, it's got to be
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  close and the Rockies are just so bad.
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  How would you like to call the Rockies games?
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  How would you like to be? Well, it'd be great 'cause I'd
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  still be, I mean. You're made.
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  Yeah, you're 1 of 30. Yeah, you're 1 of 3230.
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  Thirty. Yeah, you've got one of the 30
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  gigs. But I might be polishing up my
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  resume a little bit and seeing if I can find another and my guy
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  that's. Done.
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  It's been there forever. It's drew something.
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  Drew some I don't even know off the top of well.
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  He was, he was breaking into sports when I lived there in the
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  early 90s. I don't think he don't think he
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  was the Rockies announcer at the time.
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  No, he wasn't because Charlie Jones was.
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  Remember Charlie Jones? Oh, absolutely.
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  Long time broadcaster. He was the voice, first TV voice
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  of, of the Rockies. Drew.
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  Doesn't matter. Drew Goodman.
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  Drew Goodman. There you go.
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  Goody. Yeah.
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  How long has he been doing it? This is his. 24th year full time
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  for 10 years. He was the broadcaster for the
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  Nuggets from 94 to O four and has also done a few other
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  things. He was part of the pregame show
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  filled in for the Rockies before filling in in the full time role
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  now for the last 24 years. Good stuff.
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  So I listened to him last night, but but point being is, is how
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  do you get excited to go to work for that?
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  It's just so God awful. Call him Major League Baseball.
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  I know, I guess you're sitting in you're sitting in Major
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  League balls, press box calling Major League Baseball.
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  So there's there's something to be said for that.
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  All right, coming up on the show, a lot of NFL talk today.
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  Let's start with JJ McCarthy, all right?
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  Because right, back to the well, here we go.
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  I just. There's so many conflicting
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  things, so there's a piece out on did you read the piece Ben
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  Hawkes or Fox? Ben Fox from Yahoo Sports.
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  He's a Minnesota native and a Viking fan.
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  I did. Not know.
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  That long time ESPN gambling bet their what are their gambling?
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  Writers for a long contact information for this cat I.
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  Might. Actually.
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  So he came up with a, A what each starting quarterback is
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  worth in comparison to their backup.
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  So if Josh Allen goes out and Mitch Trubisky has to come into
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  the game or start a game, it's just a tick under 7 points.
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  So if the point spread was going to be Bill's favored by 10 and
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  it's Miss Trubisky that's going to start, the point spread would
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  reflect that they're favored by three.
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  So that's where I'm going here. But then they asked, and this is
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  according to a variety of odds makers.
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  None of them were willing to go on record with their name, but
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  they were willing to go on record with how they power rank
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  the starting quarterbacks in the NFL.
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  So you get to AI got to a section on JJ McCarthy last
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  night and one of the odds makers is he's flat out calling him a
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  bust. Flat out calling him a bust.
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  But two paragraphs down to paragraphs down, there's a
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  there's a cat that is is willing to die on that hill when it
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  comes to JJ McCarthy. And it's all part and parcel of
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  Kevin O'Connell. Here's here's the quote.
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  I think McCarthy's going to be really good, really good in this
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  offense with the weapons that he has all over the place.
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  You've seen KOC, what he's done the last few season with Sam
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  Darnold and with Josh Dobbs. Here's the first quote.
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  Until he plays, I don't know how I can rate him any better than
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  Sam Howe. I wouldn't be surprised if he's
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  a bust. Time will tell.
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  Everybody's. He's all over the place with
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  this guy. What do you think Dave Muzatani
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  is going to tell us? Up and down.
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  Some good, some bad, inconsistent.
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  Kind of what you're hearing from Caleb Williams.
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  Yes, absolutely. It's I think a very similar
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  conversation that we're having with both second year
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  quarterbacks. It was a red shirt year because
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  of the injury, but it was also behind in the development.
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  The one we've had this argument now, I mean, going way back to
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  the spring, we've been on opposite sides of this one.
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  And the trump card that you've thrown out to me so many times,
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  KOC is KOC, Josh Dobbs, Nick Mullins, Shawn Mannion, Jaron
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  Hall looked at least for 1/2. He did.
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  Look, I forgot all about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's not just Kirk Cousins.
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  It's not even Sam Darnold. I think is because we saw those
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  glimpses in San Francisco the year before and Shanahan made
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  the call, like, what are you doing?
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  Like this guy's here and he's, he can help you.
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  And he absolutely did. It's not those guys.
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  It is the Dobbs, the Mullins, the Halls of the world, the
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  career number threes that. Now.
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  Here's the other part though. We saw all those guys coming.
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  Around. No, I'm not OK.
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  I'm not. I'm not there.
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  But that's what I don't have a comeback for because I can't.
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  I can't look, we don't do hot take radio.
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  That's that's not what we are. We believe what we say and when
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  you come back with that, I can't come up with a argument that I
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  actually believe in to say no, you're wrong because when you
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  say KOC, you're right. With all those guys, though,
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  they were short glimpses and then reality set.
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  And though the glimpse was much longer last year with Sam
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  Darnold, the last two games, sure.
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  Yeah. Maybe reality started to set in
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  so. It took a while before it
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  finally hit. Again, coming to come a full
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  circle here, this is as good of an argument I can make against
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  your, but KOC is, yes, he's taken all kinds of different
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  quarterbacks and been able to be a.
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  Chicken salad out of chicken. You know what?
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  Yes, but not long term. Darnold was the longest term,
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  but then we also saw you got pressure in his face 2.
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  Weeks, Week 17 and then the. And then it fell.
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  Yeah, and then it fell apart. But still 14 and three.
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  That's incredible, right? Absolutely incredible.
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  I think, put it this way, JJ McCarthy's floor might be higher
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  that I don't see a train wreck. This isn't going to be that he,
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  this is not Ryan Leaf's rookie year.
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  What what, 2 touchdowns, 20 interceptions, whatever it was,
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  that's not what we're looking at here.
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  The seat, the floor is going to be raised because of KOC.
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  But is it more than just that, that he's going to make him
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  competent, but that's all you're going to get that there is?
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  I guess, I guess that's still to come, right?
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  That that's that's the one chapter.
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  We just don't know. I like you.
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  You gotta love his receivers. The roster might be as good as
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  any roster in the NFL. With the they fix the interior
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  of the offense A. Major way, major way they fix
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  the both sides of the of the ball they they fix.
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  Defensively, they finally got dudes over there.
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  I mean, they were doing it with Scotch tape and now you look
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  across and you see a roster and a defensive roster.
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  That I really like. Absolutely.
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  McCarthy, McCarthy, McCarthy, you know what the piece that I'm
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  also concerned a little bit about Aaron Jones.
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  How much has he got left? I mean, he's, he's, he's crossed
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  the threshold, right? He's now in his 30s.
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  There's a lot of folks that play fantasy sports that love the
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  backup Jordan Mason. He's the guy that's going to be
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  there. But when you look at the weapons
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  with Jefferson and Addison, whoever the number 3 is going to
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  be, whether it's Naylor and Hawkinson, you mentioned the two
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  pieces. They've 3 actually, because the
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  first round pick is the left guard, Donovan Jackson and Ryan
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  Kelly at center and the right guard will freeze and then they
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  bring in Jonathan Allen and Javon Hargrave.
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  That's two really good additions.
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  Granard was unbelievable last year.
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  Kerson Phillips is a a run clogger, a run stuffer.
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  That's what his job's going to be.
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  The linebackers run around and make plays.
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  Pace and Cashman and Van Ginkel. This team's loaded, except we
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  don't know what, And Christian Darasaw's back, who missed
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  significant time at left tackle last year.
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  And. They're loaded, changed what
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  they had to do. They went out and got the guy
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  from Jacksonville. Yeah, Who was a bust?
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  Yeah, he was. He was OK, but he's at the end
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  of his career, right? I can't even think of his name.
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  They needed to have him. Yeah.
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  Charles, something I don't. Charles Robinson.
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  No, that's not right. Regardless.
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  So last year. Now let's take you back.
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  You're number one at KOC. Thrust down to the scene.
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  They go 13 and 4. They're 11 and O in one score
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  games. Then 2023 they take a step back.
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  Guess what their record was in 14-1 score games in 2023?
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  What was it? 6:00 and 8:00.
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  What goes around comes around those.
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  So we go back to now last season, the Minnesota Vikings a
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  year ago had a nine and one record in one score games.
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  That's all it takes from going from 14 and 3 to 9 and 8 is just
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  and. It's very margin of error is
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  very thin. It's the NFL and the
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  sustainability of 1 score wins. It's not there.
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  You can have the greatest coaching staff and you can have
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  a great question. And they do.
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  I mean, Flores is elite but. This just always comes back to
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  the mean and when you look at that and suddenly and you're
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  under 501 score games this year, they're 8-9, you're 9 at 8.
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  They're nothing really changes that much in it.
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  AOC was the same guy in 2023 that he wasn't 22 and 24.
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  The only thing the. Outcome didn't go their way.
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  Is the one score variance didn't go their way that season?
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  There's my trump card. That's a pretty good one.
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  Yeah, pretty good one. I mean, you've got the history.
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  It's it's there, right in there in black and white, right in
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  front of you. Interesting.
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  Well, Dane Mazatani, we'll get to him on the other side.
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  Look forward to catching up with Dane.
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  Just real quick on this before we go to break.
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  I don't want to spend a ton of time, but I do want to spend a
• 18:18
  minute on it. The I'm trying to.
• 18:22
  I'm just absorbing all I can. I've read more love for the
• 18:26
  Kansas Jayhawks football program in this last three or four days.
• 18:30
  Is it an algorithm that keeps feeding me these positive
• 18:33
  Jayhawks football stories? I think it's like what I talked
• 18:36
  about yesterday with the Bears. It's the first thing I thought
• 18:38
  of is the algorithm. You clicked on one thing,
• 18:41
  There's seven or no once they leave Lubbock on the 11th of
• 18:44
  October, No, they're not the Kansas Jayhawk.
• 18:47
  That's what I'm saying. And here's the thing, I I will
• 18:50
  admit this, they've got the most beneficial first three games to
• 18:55
  open up the Big 12 that you could, you could ever wish for,
• 18:58
  right? The three bottom feeders are
• 19:00
  Bing Bang Boom, home to West Virginia, home to Cincinnati at
• 19:03
  UCF. It's pretty good, Trent.
• 19:05
  They're not beating. Missouri at Missouri.
• 19:07
  Missouri's going to be good. Good.
• 19:11
  Good or less good? Last year, good nine and three.
• 19:14
  Eight and four Good. All right in the SEC.
• 19:18
  But that doesn't matter when I told you but.
• 19:20
  They're not going to be 7 and O after they leave Lubbock
• 19:22
  because. That's a one I think they'd all
• 19:24
  sign for that though. But can they be?
• 19:26
  They're not going to be Texas Tech.
• 19:27
  They want that's in it's in Lubbock.
• 19:30
  In Lubbock, Yeah, they're Fresno State, Wagner at Mizzou, home to
• 19:35
  West Virginia, home to Cincy at UCF.
• 19:37
  This damn algorithms. How do I snap this?
• 19:40
  You just got to go away from the 4U page.
• 19:42
  Is that thing? It ruins us, doesn't it?
• 19:44
  It really does. I I I click on one Kansas Big 12
• 19:48
  article and I'm inundated with this positive stuff.
• 19:51
  Well, we'll have a couple of former locals that'll be
• 19:54
  involved with The Jayhawks, LA Shawn Williams, Yeah, gonna be
• 19:57
  the starting running back, and Deshawn Hanneke, the D stand,
• 20:01
  yes. He was in the gambling.
• 20:03
  He was not. Yeah, that's right.
• 20:05
  And he played last year, didn't he?
• 20:07
  I think so. I mean, let me look.
• 20:10
  Let me look. I thought he might, you know?
• 20:11
  Let's look. Hanukkah, Hannah.
• 20:14
  He was at Community College I believe last year.
• 20:16
  Was he Butler Community? College.
• 20:19
  Well, we'll take your time out enough.
• 20:20
  Kansas. You're not buying it.
• 20:23
  I'm. Not buying it, I think they're
• 20:24
  going to be good. Fix your algorithm over there
• 20:26
  you. Have to Miller and Condon Dame
• 20:28
  Mazatani next. It's the Iowa Sports Radio
• 20:31
  Network. Hi, coming up on 1230.
• 20:36
  Welcome back Miller in Condon. Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 20:39
  Mitch Holtis, voice of the Kansas City Chiefs daily Chiefs
• 20:42
  training camp reports coming up in about all 15 minutes or
• 20:45
  thereabouts. Let's head north.
• 20:47
  Before we head South. Dane Mazatani covers the Vikings
• 20:51
  for the Saint Paul Pioneer Press, twincities.com and Dane
• 20:54
  is with us. Dane Trenton, Ken, good to speak
• 20:57
  with you. It's been a fun watch on Twitter
• 21:00
  and watching all the training camp and all the opinions.
• 21:03
  So here's my take, Dane. See if you kind of see it the
• 21:05
  same way. JJ McCarthy is either going to
• 21:09
  be a first ballot hall of farmers or he's going to be
• 21:11
  selling medical supplies in two years.
• 21:14
  That's where we're at with this guy.
• 21:16
  What have you seen with your own two eyes?
• 21:18
  Dane, welcome to the show. Yeah, that's a good point.
• 21:23
  With training camp, we we tend to speak in declaratives and
• 21:26
  man, social media can in on you one second and out on you the
• 21:30
  next. Here's where I'm at with JJ
• 21:32
  McCarthy. He's learning and it makes
• 21:35
  sense. It's been up at times, down at
• 21:38
  times, but I don't sit there and have any true concerns about his
• 21:44
  ability to one play the position to run the offense.
• 21:49
  It's looked crisp enough for me now.
• 21:52
  There have been times where he looks like a 22 year old going
• 21:56
  up against a defense run by a defensive mastermind.
• 22:00
  I think part of the struggles in training camp can simply be
• 22:04
  chalked up to Brian Flores runs an extremely exotic defensive
• 22:10
  look that is a little bit abnormal, not even just a little
• 22:15
  bit completely abnormal to that of anything JJ McCarthy has seen
• 22:18
  in his football life. It's hard to practice against
• 22:21
  something like that, but it is making him better.
• 22:24
  So I think anytime we've seen the struggles, a lot of it has
• 22:28
  coincided with the defense looks really good.
• 22:31
  How do you judge whether it's the offense struggling or the
• 22:34
  defense dominating? It's probably somewhere in the
• 22:36
  middle. So the arm talent is there.
• 22:39
  I think he needs to work on his touch, but I'm not concerned
• 22:43
  about David McCarthy. If what would it take for you,
• 22:47
  though, to be so concerned that you said even the start of the
• 22:51
  year, maybe they need to start looking at Sam Howell?
• 22:53
  I mean, how bad does it have to get, not just for you, but for
• 22:56
  the organization as a whole? Is that even on the table or
• 23:00
  would it have to take something, I mean, cataclysmic?
• 23:02
  He goes 8 of 42 with six interceptions in his preseason
• 23:06
  games. I mean, something like that.
• 23:07
  How bad does it have to get? He he could throw an
• 23:11
  interception every single time he dropped back to pass for the
• 23:13
  rest of training camp and they wouldn't go to Sam Howell
• 23:16
  because Sam Howell has looked even more lost than JJ McCarthy
• 23:22
  and and pretty pretty markedly more lost than JJ McCarthy at
• 23:26
  times. I think what we're also
• 23:28
  realizing is even though JJ McCarthy missed a year, he
• 23:33
  learned a lot in that year. He he knows the offense.
• 23:37
  One thing I will say is there have not free snap penalties.
• 23:41
  He's looks like he's in command of the play call in the huddle
• 23:45
  and at the line making the checks need to make a lot of
• 23:50
  that's new to Sam Hollow and you're seeing a lot of
• 23:52
  indecision in the pocket from him.
• 23:54
  So I don't think it's something where the Vikings would ever say
• 23:59
  hi. McCarthy has has looked a little
• 24:01
  rough for this stretch. Let's see what we have in Sam
• 24:05
  Hollow because I'm confident Sam Hollow is going to be the backup
• 24:08
  of this team come Week 1. It has been something for him to
• 24:14
  to to certainly continue to monitor because there have been
• 24:18
  times throughout training camp for the second team offense just
• 24:21
  simply hasn't been able to move the ball.
• 24:23
  Again, that comes down to a Brian Florida defense is pretty
• 24:26
  hard to go up again. But yeah, Sam, Sam Howell to me
• 24:31
  has created a lot more questions than answers to this point
• 24:34
  through training. Camp.
• 24:35
  Yeah, I'm I'm actually here in the matches.
• 24:37
  Brosmer, how you say his name? The former Gopher quarterback
• 24:39
  that looks has looked pretty good in training camps, so we'll
• 24:43
  see where that goes. I want to go to the offensive
• 24:45
  line with you, Dane. Obviously, Darasaw missed a ton
• 24:47
  of time and they totally revamped it with the exception
• 24:50
  of Brian O'Neill. They draft on of Jackson, Sign,
• 24:53
  Kelly and Fries. How's the offensive line look?
• 24:57
  Boy, on paper, if these guys are, you know, still playing at
• 24:59
  a high level, that's got to be considered one of the NFL's top
• 25:03
  lines, I think. How have they looked?
• 25:06
  Yeah, Kind of incomplete, I guess I would say to this point
• 25:09
  because we've seen Christian Darisaw run with the starters
• 25:13
  occasionally, which is a good sign.
• 25:15
  He's back enough from his torn ACL, torn MCL and he's
• 25:20
  progressed enough to participate in some of these teen girls,
• 25:24
  which I think is ahead of schedule.
• 25:26
  So we've seen Christian Darisaw at times.
• 25:28
  We've seen Will Fry is working back in coming off of that
• 25:31
  broken leg, but we have not really seen enough of a ramp
• 25:36
  play with all five guys on the starting offensive line getting
• 25:40
  time together, getting time to gel.
• 25:42
  So the defensive line is dominant, the offensive line
• 25:45
  throughout camp. But I don't think that
• 25:48
  necessarily means the offensive line is going to be a struggle
• 25:51
  this year. I think it will be much
• 25:52
  improved. I think there was, like you
• 25:55
  said, a concerted effort from the front office to crack
• 25:58
  Donovan Jackson sign Ryan Kelly sign Will Fry, pair that with
• 26:03
  Christian Darris on Brian O'Neill.
• 26:05
  On paper it looks good because I think on the field it will look
• 26:08
  good. But right now there are so many
• 26:12
  guys mixing in and mixing out with with them trying to be
• 26:15
  careful with the two guys that have been injured that I think
• 26:18
  there, there have been some struggles up front too.
• 26:22
  I keep going back to Brian Flores defense, though.
• 26:25
  Those struggles can be chalked up to that.
• 26:27
  I mean, you look at what the Vikings did on defense last
• 26:29
  year, whatever advanced metrics you want to look at or simple
• 26:33
  metrics you want to look at, they they took another leap
• 26:36
  forward last year, borderline top 10 defense, regardless of
• 26:41
  the metrics you look at. And they added Jonathan Allen
• 26:45
  and Jayvon Hargrave to that mix. Well, the defensive line looks
• 26:48
  like a bunch of dudes this year. I think they're going to be able
• 26:51
  to generate pressure from the outside, from the interior.
• 26:55
  And you're seeing that right now in training camp.
• 26:57
  It's it's created some issues for the offensive line. 2
• 27:01
  veterans brought in at cornerback, including Jeff
• 27:04
  Okuda, who. He's healthy, you feel good
• 27:07
  problem he's not healthy very often.
• 27:09
  He could comes in. They also go out to
• 27:10
  Philadelphia, bring in another. How have the new look
• 27:13
  quarterbacks looked in this offense?
• 27:14
  And when you got Flores out there, you know you got to be
• 27:16
  able to cover. Yeah, honestly, I walked into
• 27:20
  training thinking if there's one weakness on the defense on
• 27:24
  paper, it's it's going to be the cornerback position just because
• 27:28
  those guys are unproven. But Isaiah Rogers and Jeff Okuda
• 27:31
  have far exceeded my expectations and to the point
• 27:35
  where, look, I don't think they're going to have the best
• 27:37
  secondary in the league, but I don't think it's going to be an
• 27:40
  issue for the Vikings this year. I think Rogers is somebody who
• 27:44
  is ready to kind of take that next step in his career, and
• 27:48
  he's somebody who Brian Flores pointed to this offseason and
• 27:51
  said go get me that guy. I think he can ascend with us,
• 27:55
  so if Brian Flores likes them, I'm already in on him.
• 27:59
  But then I see him play. He's one of the fastest guys on
• 28:02
  the team, has good ball skills, was working through a little bit
• 28:06
  of like a minor soreness injury early in training camp and is
• 28:09
  already back playing with the starters so seems to recover
• 28:13
  pretty well. I like Isaiah Rogers and then
• 28:17
  Jeff Okuda. He was a number three overall
• 28:20
  pick for a reason. You see the physical tools.
• 28:23
  He's been super aggressive in press coverage and beating up
• 28:27
  some of these receivers throughout camp.
• 28:30
  How is it going to look during a game when when you're getting
• 28:35
  flags thrown for for grabbing and and pushing?
• 28:38
  Maybe a little different, but right now Jeff Okuda, I think to
• 28:41
  me has separated himself from the rest of that pack.
• 28:44
  So your your quarterbacks are Byron Murphy, junior Isaiah
• 28:46
  Rogers, Jeff Okuda and then a bunch of other guys kind of
• 28:50
  competing for for spot minutes here and there.
• 28:52
  Speaking of competing for minutes, if you play fantasy
• 28:56
  football, inevitably there's one guy that's going into that draft
• 28:59
  with hope with. I got to sleep running back,
• 29:01
  man. I hope he's there.
• 29:02
  And that's Jordan Mason, who's getting more love from fantasy
• 29:05
  players as he's going to be that guy that's going to be, you
• 29:09
  know, you're going to draft late and is going to win your league
• 29:11
  for you. What do you see out of him?
• 29:13
  Aaron Jones obviously is going to get to give up some carries
• 29:16
  if Mason is going to be the guy, but how about those two at
• 29:19
  running back? Yeah, I don't know if I would go
• 29:23
  as far as saying it'll be a 5050 split, but I don't think Jordan
• 29:26
  Mason is a backup running back. I think he is very much of the
• 29:31
  ilk of a guy who mixes in and gets a lot of carries.
• 29:34
  Wouldn't surprise me if Jordan Mason led the team in touchdowns
• 29:37
  from the running back position this year because I think he's
• 29:39
  going to get the goal line work. He's a monster.
• 29:42
  He he looks different out there. That's the only way I can
• 29:46
  describe it. He's big, but because he's big,
• 29:49
  you would assume he's not fast. Well, he's also pretty fast.
• 29:53
  I like Jordan Mason. I think that was good trade that
• 29:57
  the Vikings made that maybe flew under the radar at the time, but
• 30:00
  how he could mix with Aaron Jones could unlock something
• 30:04
  else in this offense. I think we saw what Aaron Jones
• 30:07
  can do last year had one of the best seasons of his career and
• 30:11
  he had a lot of really good seasons throughout his career.
• 30:15
  But he did log a career high 306 touches and I think the Vikings
• 30:19
  understood that he's on the wrong side of 30.
• 30:22
  And while he it looks like he has a lot of tread left on the
• 30:25
  tires, they give him the workload they did last year.
• 30:30
  So you bring in a guy like Jordan Mason, I think it'll be a
• 30:32
  2 headed monster at running back.
• 30:34
  And I think they really are going to rely on the run game
• 30:36
  this year because they have a young quarterback.
• 30:39
  You don't want to put the weight of the world on his shoulder.
• 30:41
  So I like Aaron Jones still in this offense.
• 30:43
  But yes, certainly Jordan Mason classified to me as a sleeper to
• 30:49
  kind of keep your eye on. Last thing for me and over too
• 30:52
  little baseball. It didn't go over well in the
• 30:54
  Condon household. I'm going to guess it didn't go
• 30:55
  over well. The trade deadline for the
• 30:57
  Minnesota Twins and what they did.
• 31:00
  Here we are less than a week later from the deadline.
• 31:03
  How's the reaction and is is that the point now?
• 31:05
  The only thing that's going to maybe cure things as a sale of
• 31:08
  the team. Yeah, I think people are just
• 31:10
  out on this team and it was the rhetoric all over Twitter, but
• 31:15
  really a master class from the ownership and how to lose a fan
• 31:18
  base in two years. I was at that against the Blue
• 31:22
  Jays, grown man weeping because it had been so long.
• 31:27
  Just the energy of of Target Field that night, it felt like
• 31:31
  something special was brewing. Then you cut pay payroll the
• 31:35
  following year. Then you trade the entire
• 31:37
  bullpen and and much of the team and obviously Carlos Correa a
• 31:42
  year after that. So I will say, look, the core of
• 31:47
  the team is still intact. They they traded Carlos Correa
• 31:52
  and a bunch of guys expiring and then their entire bullpen.
• 31:56
  So it wasn't necessarily, I mean, it was a fire sale unlike
• 32:01
  anything I've ever seen. Didn't trade Buxton, they didn't
• 32:04
  trade Joe Ryan, they didn't trade Pablo Lopez.
• 32:06
  Like the team, there is a pathway to go back to relevance.
• 32:12
  But at the same time, I I don't know if that happens in 2026.
• 32:17
  I don't know if that happens in 2027.
• 32:19
  It does feel like a hard reset. And I think you nailed it,
• 32:22
  Trent. The best way for the Twins as a
• 32:25
  organization to garner some goodwill up from the fan base is
• 32:31
  for the Poll Labs to sell. At this point, I think people
• 32:33
  are done with that ownership group.
• 32:35
  They have been for a while. They're certainly out on them
• 32:38
  now. The whole franchise needs to
• 32:41
  facelift. I I hope at least for for the
• 32:45
  twist sake that Byron Buxton doesn't have a change of heart
• 32:47
  at some. I'm waving that thing here.
• 32:51
  He seems to be long for Minnesota, but that could change
• 32:54
  if there's no forward motion here in the next year. 2 years.
• 32:58
  Three years. Dane Mazatani, St.
• 33:00
  Paul, Pioneer Press, twincities.com.
• 33:02
  Dane, thank you for doing this. We will impose on you in the
• 33:05
  weeks ahead. Thank you, Dane.
• 33:06
  Appreciate it. Anytime guys.
• 33:08
  Thank. You thank you, Dame Mizutani as
• 33:10
  we check in on the Vikings. From the Vikings to the Chiefs,
• 33:14
  Miller and Condon talking sports with you on the Iowa Sports
• 33:17
  Radio Network. I'm Mallory Condon.
• 33:22
  Welcome back to Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 33:24
  Wherever you're listening in the state of Iowa.
• 33:26
  Grateful that you are time for the Chiefs daily training camp
• 33:29
  report. Papa John, throughout the state
• 33:32
  of Iowa, they sponsor these. Mitch Holtis is the voice of the
• 33:35
  Chiefs and he joins us. Hello, Mitch.
• 33:37
  Trenton, Ken. How's camp today?
• 33:40
  Good. This is kind of what I call the
• 33:42
  third push because I know there's a preseason game looming
• 33:47
  on Saturday night, but there's no real prep for that.
• 33:50
  It's more of keep pushing this team in pads for three days in a
• 33:54
  row here to get ready for not only the Chargers, but for the
• 33:57
  remaining 17 weeks, the regular season and hopefully beyond.
• 34:01
  So work's got to get done. Coach keeps the push is still
• 34:05
  on. Gotcha, Xavier.
• 34:07
  Worthy's in the spotlight today and you're #2 for the speedster
• 34:12
  from Texas, Mitch, He might have been the, I guess the only
• 34:18
  positive in what was a disappointing Super Bowl for
• 34:21
  Chiefs fans with the two touchdowns.
• 34:23
  Maybe his best game of the year was his last game of the year.
• 34:27
  Obviously looking to build on that.
• 34:30
  Yeah, those were legitimate plays too.
• 34:31
  He had to do kind of a scramble drill and the first touchdown,
• 34:35
  the second one, he used the speed and got by him.
• 34:38
  And some might say, well, hey, that was the game was out of
• 34:41
  hand and yes, it was, but the Eagles are still playing.
• 34:44
  So but he had 38 of his targets. It kind of just the most of his
• 34:49
  volume was in the back end of the season.
• 34:52
  And what Ken, The thing is about Xavier Brown is he came out
• 34:56
  fastest guy in the combine 425. But there's more to him.
• 35:01
  There's a toughness to him and there is he's learning more and
• 35:05
  more and more. And we saw this at the end of
• 35:06
  the season where again, his targets went way up.
• 35:11
  I'm going to look here. I had to look at it last night.
• 35:12
  Actually, 31 of his 98 targets were in the last three regular
• 35:15
  season games that he played. He didn't play Week 18 against
• 35:18
  Denver when they didn't play their starters.
• 35:20
  But all that just kind of fueled his tank and he's becoming a
• 35:26
  route runner toughness and he's ready to go if we're he wants to
• 35:30
  play tonight. Oh man, I'm ready.
• 35:34
  I can't wait. I can't wait.
• 35:37
  What have you learned about being in this offense, How
• 35:39
  comprehensive it is in being precise and route warning and
• 35:43
  playing with Pat? Right.
• 35:44
  Just understanding like the precision they want things and
• 35:46
  the way they want things direct and how they work.
• 35:48
  I kind of got in custom of how they started working last year
• 35:51
  towards the end of the year and now I'm ready.
• 35:53
  And attacking the back half of the field?
• 35:55
  What about attacking deep? Wait, we're going to be going
• 35:58
  deep this year? Going deep.
• 36:01
  What about the return game if they throw you back there?
• 36:03
  Oh man, that's something I wanted to do.
• 36:05
  A part of. Return is something that I kind
• 36:06
  of emphasized in college, so that's something I kind of want
• 36:08
  to get back. To Dave Tobbs, if he put him
• 36:11
  back there, he'd be the best returner on our team and maybe
• 36:15
  in the league. He was awesome at Texas with it.
• 36:17
  Go watch his part returning. It's BYU his last year at UT.
• 36:21
  But in that quote, Ken and Trent, you heard the word
• 36:24
  precision then that's what he has learned.
• 36:27
  And interesting, as a wide receiver in this system, you got
• 36:29
  to learn every, every position that's one 2 with Pat, you have
• 36:33
  to be precise. He doesn't want you an eighth of
• 36:36
  an inch off. But the third thing is you have
• 36:39
  to learn to play with Pat when the play within a play breaks
• 36:42
  down. And so now you got to be
• 36:44
  scramble drill receiver. So all of that is on your plate
• 36:46
  if you're going to play receiver with Pat Mahomes in this
• 36:48
  offense. You also mentioned kind of in
• 36:51
  your note about what it's going to look like with Hollywood
• 36:53
  Brown and Rasheed Rice and him and Xavier Worthy out there
• 36:56
  together. We're still in the holding
• 36:58
  pattern with Rasheed Rice. What can you tell us on that
• 37:00
  front and as they await the NF LS decision, did the Chiefs
• 37:04
  anticipate that's going to happen soon or is it just a
• 37:06
  holding pattern for everybody? Perfect question, I wish I had
• 37:10
  an answer. I don't.
• 37:12
  There is no tea leaves at all in this and so we don't have any
• 37:17
  idea. I've heard nothing about how
• 37:19
  many games it's going to be, when it's going to come down.
• 37:22
  Is there an appeal? So I don't have an answer for
• 37:25
  you now. You feel like it's looming,
• 37:28
  right? We're not going to go, oh, hey,
• 37:29
  he's not going to get suspended. And then with Hollywood's injury
• 37:31
  now it doesn't appear to be serious, but still, he's out.
• 37:35
  Now we're back to Xavier Worthy and the other guys, which is
• 37:38
  what the whole season was last year because we didn't have
• 37:41
  Hollywood to the very end and didn't have Rice at all after
• 37:44
  Week 4. So you'd love to feel three of
• 37:46
  those guys get out there, plus Burchard Smith, Jalen Royals,
• 37:49
  and I mean, you got speed all over the place, but you'd like
• 37:52
  to have at some point all hands on deck.
• 37:54
  But Worthy is just more than we thought, more than just a fast
• 37:57
  guy. He's turning into a route
• 37:59
  runner, pass catcher, can hit you all over the field.
• 38:02
  And Brown, correct me if I'm wrong, it was like the first
• 38:05
  snap of pre season he got hurt right?
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  Riddle yeah, same injury, oddly enough at Jacksonville that
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  Tyree Kill had back in the 20 season.
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  Was that where it was this clavicle or very rare clavicle
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  injury that becomes very serious because the clavicle bone, you
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  can get up there and feel it can can go in to near an artery.
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  It can actually be fatal when it happened to Tyree kill Jalen
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  Ramsey got him threw him to the ground.
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  They immediately rushed him to the hospital because that if the
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  clavicle and I'm not a doctor, but you got him out there.
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  The clavicle breaks and breaks inside, then it can sever an
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  artery and kill you. So interestingly enough, here we
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  are like several years later, same field, same team.
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  This one, the preseason first play he gets the same injury.
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  So it was scary for Hollywood, but he came back.
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  We had him at the end of the year for a little bit, a little
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  bit in the playoffs, but you'd I love to have him out there a lot
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  and so we're still waiting for that.
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  Final thing for me, we'll be watching like Jalen Royals,
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  right? Those young wide receivers.
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  You always like to give us a name, though, at the wide
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  receiver position since that's kind of the spotlight today.
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  Is there an undrafted free agent maybe we should be looking for
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  come Saturday night? Not undrafted free agent, but
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  the guy here that's risen to the head of the class is Taekwon
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  Thornton. Now he played at Baylor.
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  Iowa State fans will remember him fairly productive.
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  Wasn't a 1500 yard guy, but he was drafted by New England and
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  his rookie year, couple touchdowns and some yards for
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  the Patriots. Then he kind of got lost in the
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  shuffle and now here is back with us.
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  He's been one of the stories of this camp.
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  But I'm going to put Nico Ramihio right beside him.
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  He was Fresno State undrafted free agent on a system for two
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  years. Cut practice squad, cut, let go,
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  come back. Any of the 63 yard punt returned
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  in the playoffs last year which ignited this team.
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  That's a real battle. If Rice isn't suspended, then
• 40:00
  you've got 7 wide receivers, you're probably going to have
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  six. And those two guys go right to
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  the front of this discussion. And my answer to.
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  Let's go to the front of dinner plans tonight.
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  Mitch told us what we got to, what we got working on.
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  Value, man, it's value 1299. We don't, Gretzky.
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  This would have been his favorite pizza.
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  Just the $0.99 on the back end. Make it cool.
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  But yeah, we got this cheeseburger pizza going on a
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  medium for just 1299. And the Donaldsons, you know,
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  are incredible. I got a chance to see him this
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  offseason. I just, I don't want to take him
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  for granted. I don't want Iowa to take him
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  for granted because they and their managers all throughout
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  the state love the state. They do so much that people
• 40:40
  don't even know. Hour 2 coming up next, Mitch.
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  We'll talk to you tomorrow. Mitch Holt, his voice to the
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  Chiefs. Hour 2 is next.