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Goodbye 2024 · Why We Do What We Do

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Why we do what we do.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Why we do what we do. I am
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  Speaker 2: your reaching the end of this road, Host Abraham.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm your gift wrapped like a Christmas present, Host Shane.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's lovely. We are a psychology podcast. We talk
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  Speaker 2: about all of the things that people and animals do
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  Speaker 2: and the philosophy behind what they do and the reasons
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  Speaker 2: and the mechanisms and all the stuff. And nobody's listening
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  Speaker 2: to us today for a very good reason that we'll
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  Speaker 2: get to in a moment. But yeah, that's what we
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  Speaker 2: do where psychology podcast.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I think that I struggle with like
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  Speaker 1: giving myself accolades and like praises, but I do think
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  Speaker 1: that this episode we are going to spend a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of time talking about cool things that we saw,
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  Speaker 1: cool things that we did, and giving ourselves a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a pad on the back because you have
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  Speaker 1: done a good job. We've worked very hard this year,
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  Speaker 1: we did, and we think that we did a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good job. So that's what this episode's all about today.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you all for joining us. If you're joining
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  Speaker 2: us today or the day after some point down the road,
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  Speaker 2: We're happy to have you here, and if you do
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  Speaker 2: enjoy what you hear today and you're thinking to yourself, Mi,
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  Speaker 2: I really wish I could make this podcast keep being
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  Speaker 2: a podcast. One way that you could do that is
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  Speaker 2: to join us over on Patreon. You can also leave
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  Speaker 2: us a rating and review. When you're having your crazy
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  Speaker 2: family political discussions, maybe bring up this podcast to someone
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  Speaker 2: and tell them to go listen.
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  Speaker 1: Weaponize this podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just realized that sounds like I'm making it
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  Speaker 2: sound like a thread. But share it anyway, share it kindly.
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  Speaker 2: You can also, what did I say, pick up some
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  Speaker 2: urch from our store. Those other ways I'll talk more
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  Speaker 2: about them at the end of this discussion. But today
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  Speaker 2: we're really just going to summarize the year that we've had.
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  Speaker 2: This is the last full length episode that we'll publish
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  Speaker 2: for twenty twenty four, so we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. But before we do all of that,
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  Speaker 2: it is December twenty five, which means Happy Pumpkin Pie Day.
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  Speaker 1: It's wild that it's Pumpkin Pie Day.
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  Speaker 2: I know I had that thought too, Like who.
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  Speaker 1: Chose that it's also day of winter walks, including those
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  Speaker 1: walks that you do with your cousins at family events
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  Speaker 1: where maybe you partake a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Also Decem beard, which means, uh, growing a beard in
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  Speaker 2: December if you can and want to and are allowed
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  Speaker 2: to buy your partner.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that, And that leads nicely into janu
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  Speaker 1: Harry and February Harry and all that stuff exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, is there anything else that's today? Any other holidays?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's all the holidays for December twenty fifth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. All right, let's get into the episode.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, it's Christmas, all right, Christmas everyone. Hope you're having
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  Speaker 2: great Christmas. Hope you have or had a great day,
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  Speaker 2: depending on when you're listening to this. All right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's the thing. Yeah, anything else before we get started, No, let's.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead dive in. I'm excited.
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna just start with a quick summary of
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  Speaker 2: what we did as a podcast this year. And maybe
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  Speaker 2: if you are joining us recently, you want to go
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  Speaker 2: check these things out, or maybe you'll it'll just be
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  Speaker 2: nostalgic for you to hear them. But one of the
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  Speaker 2: big things for me is that we started releasing minis
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  Speaker 2: this year. These are the short dive episodes we do
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  Speaker 2: that are mostly fifteen minutes or less. Many of them
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  Speaker 2: are on the or less side of that, quite quite
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  Speaker 2: a bit less. And those published on Mondays, and those
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  Speaker 2: have been a lot of fun, and I've really enjoyed
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  Speaker 2: that format, and We're just gonna keep churning those things
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  Speaker 2: out because I like them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, those have been a lot of fun to put together,
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  Speaker 1: especially because, like so historically we have been doing these
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  Speaker 1: episodes where we would start an episode and it would
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  Speaker 1: be way too short to be an episode. We were like,
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  Speaker 1: we could not find anything about this particular topic, so
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  Speaker 1: it one made sense to do just something small and
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  Speaker 1: brief and miniature sized, And so the minis have been
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun to put together. Hopefully people are
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  Speaker 1: liking them, you know, like if you do like them,
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  Speaker 1: please let us know, Like we are having a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fun with those though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do appreciate feedback on those. They
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  Speaker 2: do not get nearly as many listens as the full
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  Speaker 2: length episodes, which greatly surprised me. I expected the opposite,
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  Speaker 2: but I guess people are in it for the long haul,
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  Speaker 2: that's why they joined. So, yeah, the minis don't make
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  Speaker 2: as much of a splash, but that's Okay, they're small,
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  Speaker 2: they shouldn't splash as much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: Good thing that's happening coming up that we're really excited about,
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  Speaker 1: and this is exclusive news for today, is that next
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  Speaker 1: year we are going to start doing CEUs. So we
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  Speaker 1: are going to start hosting CEUs as part of the episodes.
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  Speaker 1: They will be available for purchase in perpetuity as long
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  Speaker 1: as we stay an ACE coordinator. So we are going
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  Speaker 1: to be a CEU provider through the BACB. For those
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  Speaker 1: behavior analyst friends out there who are looking to gain
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  Speaker 1: those credits. Now, I will say this, The show itself
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  Speaker 1: will stay free, so you will still be able to
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  Speaker 1: access US no matter what. But for that credit, for
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  Speaker 1: that adgital credit, you will have to make a small purchase.
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  Speaker 1: We'll keep it, we'll keep it affordable, we'll keep it light,
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  Speaker 1: we'll keep it easy. But yeah, we're starting that year
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  Speaker 1: and I'm really excited about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. For those of you who know, you know what
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about, and for those of you who don't,
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  Speaker 2: I will fill you in. CEUs are continuing education units
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  Speaker 2: often just called continuing education or CES, and this just
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  Speaker 2: is to maintain credentialing. People must get so many CES
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  Speaker 2: per year. I'm thinking we're going to offer them at
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  Speaker 2: fairly low cost, but we also want to have that be,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a pretty workable system for everybody, So we're
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  Speaker 2: building the infrastructure for that. Not entirely sure when it
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  Speaker 2: will launch, but there's a pretty firm plan to launch
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  Speaker 2: early twenty twenty five, if not mid twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 2: at the latest. That should be up and running for
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  Speaker 2: those of you who are credentialed and need CES. And
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  Speaker 2: there's a possibility for those of you who are not
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  Speaker 2: behavior analysts who also need CES that we can look
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  Speaker 2: into other forms of that down the road, but for
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  Speaker 2: the time being, it'll just be focused on behavior analysis
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  Speaker 2: certification people.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Another thing that we did this year was we
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  Speaker 1: join blue Sky, which seems to it seems to feel
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  Speaker 1: like old Twitter, which is really nice, which means that
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  Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of the rampant white supremacists
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  Speaker 1: running around and all the horrible things that are happening
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  Speaker 1: on the actual Twitter or x if you will. So
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  Speaker 1: blue Skuy's been pretty cool and I've had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fun kind of playing around with it and seeing
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  Speaker 1: what shows up and yeah, and engaging with folks on there.
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  Speaker 1: It's been pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: Blue Sky is good. I enjoy it. I do think
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  Speaker 2: it really shows the like what social media could be
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  Speaker 2: when done better than how it's being done. And it
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  Speaker 2: does feel like old Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I really like that I can find the things I
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  Speaker 2: want to find. I get things in my feed that
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  Speaker 2: I'm interested in getting, and it feels clean and well
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  Speaker 2: structured and not full of crazy, hateful rhetoric. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: I hope it stays that way as long as possible.
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  Speaker 2: It seems to be growing really rapidly, which is cool.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're interested in joining us over there, that's
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  Speaker 2: it seems like a really cool place. And I'm posting
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  Speaker 2: right regularly. Right now, it's mostly just episode content, but
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  Speaker 2: maybe we'll get some more stuff going.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe we'll do some recommendations, but maybe we'll
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  Speaker 1: do some I don't know, share some cool articles I found.
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  Speaker 1: I had a really great engagement where and I have
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  Speaker 1: to check this out a little bit more. But somebody
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  Speaker 1: I had talked about doing the possibility of doing like
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  Speaker 1: these small specifically focused like almost like minis like we
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  Speaker 1: talk about, but like specifically focused on like a larger
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  Speaker 1: topic and like kind of dispelling myths like doing like zines,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like maybe like a fifteen to twenty page
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  Speaker 1: zine that would go out and be digital zine for
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  Speaker 1: free people can access, or maybe for a small fee.
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  Speaker 1: And I had posted about that and somebody was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: did you not know about this website and it was
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  Speaker 1: like a whole website that's nothing but science zines.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, which I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Send it to you. And so I just got to
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  Speaker 1: dive into it because, like, it seems really cool and
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  Speaker 1: it was really great just to connect on that on
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  Speaker 1: for that within that community. It was cool. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Might be kind of fun too, is to have people
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  Speaker 2: vote on some of the ad segues that we do
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  Speaker 2: that they like and maybe even give suggestions for others.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll find some ways to play around with this
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  Speaker 2: platform that makes it more engaging in fun. But it
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  Speaker 2: seems really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Some other things that we did this year was publish
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  Speaker 2: episodes Believe it or Not and Weird. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: talk through what all of those were right now. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to skip the nostalgic episodes. But at the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of the year, the first episode of twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 2: was our discussion about the idea of eating three meals
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  Speaker 2: per day, sort of the history behind that. Shane, you
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  Speaker 2: wrote one about doing handwriting analysis on how Allen does that.
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  Speaker 2: We had a guest on for artificial intelligence that discussion.
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  Speaker 2: We did one that was sort of a primer on
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  Speaker 2: the matching law that we called why I'm not doing
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  Speaker 2: something else right now?
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  Speaker 1: I think yep.
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  Speaker 2: And then another one Shane you did was the life
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  Speaker 2: and Death drive idea.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was cool. That one was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: fun because I got to get into a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of mythology, which is like an area of interest for me,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that was really cool. Some other things that
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  Speaker 1: we did. We went over right to work laws and
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  Speaker 1: what that means, because I think people miss used that
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  Speaker 1: term right to work and you know, all stuff and
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  Speaker 1: what that looks like. We covered down syndrome, which I
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  Speaker 1: thought was really great.
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  Speaker 2: Yea. We called that the twenty four and Me, which
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  Speaker 2: I I thought.
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  Speaker 1: Was titled Yep, that's good that I like that. We
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  Speaker 1: also did generational characteristics, We covered behavioral jargon, and we
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  Speaker 1: did the mind body problem or mind body duality, which
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  Speaker 1: is interesting that it took us this long to get
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  Speaker 1: to that particular question. As a psychology podcast.
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  Speaker 2: That does just feel like that would have been an
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  Speaker 2: early topic, but yeah, we got there eventually, So.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: We did an episode I really enjoyed that was in
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  Speaker 2: the event of the apocalypse, sort of trying to predict
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  Speaker 2: what people would do in case in the sort of
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  Speaker 2: end times, and we looked to history to see what
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  Speaker 2: people have done in end times like situations, and so
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  Speaker 2: that was fine. The bulk of our episodes this year
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  Speaker 2: were about addiction. We did this very long series of episodes.
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  Speaker 2: There were ten of them, and that didn't even count
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  Speaker 2: the two nostalgia episodes on social media addiction that we ran.
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  Speaker 2: So we we spent a couple of months, more than
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  Speaker 2: I think more than a couple of months talking about addiction,
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  Speaker 2: and we covered everything from just defining addiction, addiction treatments,
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  Speaker 2: harm reduction, sex addiction, food addiction steps, twelve steps. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: exactly right. So there was so many and I thought
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  Speaker 2: that was a really really fun, interesting and illuminating series
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  Speaker 2: that we got stackle. We've never done anything quite like that,
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  Speaker 2: but I think that we will again in the future
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  Speaker 2: if we find a topic that really grabs us in
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  Speaker 2: that way. But that one just felt really right and
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  Speaker 2: we got it was an interesting time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had talked about doing something on addiction for
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  Speaker 1: a while, but so just a little, a little behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes, little inside baseball for y'all. Whenever we talk
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  Speaker 1: about a topic we do we do talk about a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, and sometimes topics come up that are a
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  Speaker 1: lot larger than we can than we can plan for
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  Speaker 1: one episode. Sometimes when we have like split episodes by
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  Speaker 1: accidents because Abraham and I just talked so much that
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  Speaker 1: like it just by circumstance, like our notes are long
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  Speaker 1: enough and we talked so much that we have to
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  Speaker 1: double up the episodes. But this one was one that
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  Speaker 1: had come up multiple times and we decided to really
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  Speaker 1: dive into it and really give it the care that
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  Speaker 1: we wanted to try to give it, because it was
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  Speaker 1: so in depth and so complex and so nuanced and
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  Speaker 1: so many different perspectives on it that we felt like
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  Speaker 1: even two or three episodes wouldn't have been enough. So
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  Speaker 1: we really I think that that was it was one
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  Speaker 1: of those moments where I think we both had a
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  Speaker 1: flash of like, ah, this is the way that we
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  Speaker 1: do this, and this will be a lot of fun,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to break this up in a really
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  Speaker 1: meaningful way. It was cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly right as we started talking about it,
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  Speaker 2: because we did want to talk about addiction, we just
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  Speaker 2: kept thinking like, no, that should be as whole episode,
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: and that should be a whole episode, and eventually we're like,
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  Speaker 2: let's just do a series. Let's just take all these
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  Speaker 2: ideas we have and do each one of them as
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  Speaker 2: a discussion. And some of them were even still fairly
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  Speaker 2: long doing it that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: I think there was one one of them ended up
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  Speaker 2: being a two parter by itself, forgetting which one it
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  Speaker 2: was now, but like a two parterre within a series
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  Speaker 2: of things that was just about addiction. If I remember,
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  Speaker 2: I could be making it up, but yes, yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: was good stuff. And then we also did one on
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  Speaker 2: the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World and then various
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  Speaker 2: other ideas around what the Seven Wonders are and should be,
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  Speaker 2: and had some guests on to talk about the Black
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  Speaker 2: Applied Behavior Analysis Conference and what was going on there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really cool. We also talked about thumbs, revenge,
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  Speaker 1: lizard brains, and universal basic income, which are all very
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  Speaker 1: different topics.
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  Speaker 2: They were quite topic quite different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, quite different, but a lot of fun to
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  Speaker 1: dive into those. Out of those ones, I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was not surprised that lizard brains are not a
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  Speaker 1: thing that we have, but I was surprised at how
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  Speaker 1: important thumbs were.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, thumbs ended up being more interesting than you
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  Speaker 2: might think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Universal Basic Income was ended up being a two
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  Speaker 2: parter and we got to explore a lot of cool
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  Speaker 2: We also talked about empathy. That was another two parter,
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  Speaker 2: and that included the sort of extreme empaths people. The
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  Speaker 2: Electoral College that also ended up being a two parter,
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  Speaker 2: and that one was describing how electoral colleges work and
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  Speaker 2: why they destroy everything. Yeah, and then one of our
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  Speaker 2: most critically praised episodes I think was critical Thinking. We
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  Speaker 2: got some really good feedback on that one.
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  Speaker 1: Where we that's the one where we coined the phrase
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  Speaker 1: heat seeking sperm missile.
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  Speaker 2: No, that was in bad arguments.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Yeah, I was thinking. I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: it was like in that world, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, anyway, Yeah, Critical Thinking was a fun one.
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  Speaker 1: We did Royalty, which was nice because we got to
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  Speaker 1: talk about why it happens and also how incestuous it is.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about imitation, which was really cool and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fun and surprisingly one of those things where
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  Speaker 1: there's not a lot of information on it, but like
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  Speaker 1: very rich information on it. Yeah, kind of one of
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  Speaker 1: the situations. And then, like we do every year, we
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  Speaker 1: did our Halloween series.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so in our Halloween series we talked about the
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  Speaker 2: basic idea of fear. We did an episode on skin walkers.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about whether or not you could be scared
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  Speaker 2: so badly that you die of fright, so being scared
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  Speaker 2: to death. We did one on the plausibility of cryptids.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say just cryptids, but it was actually
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  Speaker 2: more specifically about why some of them seem more plausible
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  Speaker 2: and more believable and whatnot. And we did an episode
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  Speaker 2: on ghosts and the fact that they're not real, but
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  Speaker 2: also what people are experiencing when they think they're experiencing ghosts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty cool. And then and in the
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  Speaker 1: minis during that time, we're all about phobias. We did
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  Speaker 1: tackle like specific phobias. Oh and I forgot We did
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  Speaker 1: do another episode during Halloween. It was about ads.
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  Speaker 2: Those were the spookiest because they were doing how scary.
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  Speaker 2: We had some good ads segues this year. My favorite
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  Speaker 2: ad segue that we've ever done for me so far
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  Speaker 2: has been that the ads are to podcast as a
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  Speaker 2: fart is to writing in an elevator. But I think
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  Speaker 2: that was actually last year. But we've had some really
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  Speaker 2: good ones and just making fun of advertisers because even
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  Speaker 2: though they pay us, they are annoying. You know, customers
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  Speaker 2: to businesses can be very annoying. People who work in
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  Speaker 2: retail know this. Yeah. We did an episode on cheerleading,
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  Speaker 2: which is a really good one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That was surprisingly fun and also led back to
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  Speaker 1: my hometown, which I thought was really fun. We did
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  Speaker 1: one on public speaking. We did one on bad arguments,
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  Speaker 1: which is the one with the heat seeking spermissile.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Evolution Forward episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and then we did the Coolest Shop Effect, which
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: we got to talk about movies and stuff.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fun. We did one that was reflecting
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: on the United States presidential election that we called Musings
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: and Prognostications, which we are following with a couple of
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: minis related to that.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: And then we did a very delightful episode on vasectomies. Yes.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: And then we did one on the economy, which you know,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: was bigger than I think a single episode, but also
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: something that we are going to probably continue to talk
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: about in different ways.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: And that one I think did turn out pretty well.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: So interestingly, last year, if I remember correctly, in twenty
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: twenty three, we did seven nostalgia episodes and nostalge episodes
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: if you're just joining us for the first time, our
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: reruns of old episodes where we also expand on that conversation,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: like we say something else about that topic after we
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: play the whole episode. And last year I think we
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: did seven and we're like, okay, we'll probably do more
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: over those next year. We have a lot of old episodes.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: We've been doing this for a long time now, and
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: this year we only did five, so wild I thought
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: we would do more, but instead we released more new
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: content than we have been doing. So we re ran
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: our episode on a Fantasia, which god, I might even
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: want to do something else on this because it's still
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: sticking around. There is social media addiction as part of
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: the Addiction Suite, and that had two parts, so that's
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: three now. We re released one of our earliest episodes
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: in the like I think the first year that we
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: were a podcast, and it was an interview with doctor
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Steve Hayes on the concept of grit and sort of persistence.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: And then we re released our episode on the Dunning
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Kruger effect, and then we had some updated research that
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: questioned some of how the math was done to come
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to those results as well as, you know, just building
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: on some of the existing research and whatnot.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we only did two interviews this year,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting. So we had AI with
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Joseph Daily and then we had our folks from BABA,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: which was really cool. They were leading up to their
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: summer conference, Black Con, which I got to attend and
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: it was pretty incredible, awesome, really really great stuff and
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: so looking forward to what they do this coming up year.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: My understanding is that BABA is doing their conference in Jamaica.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: WOCE year, So that's so cool.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's pretty read.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: All right, So that's that's kind of the year of
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the podcast. But we also decided it would be fun
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: to share some personal things that we have done, and
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: so I want to talk about some books that we've
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: read and movies and TV shows that we've watched, and
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: so I'll go ahead and kick that off. Yeah, I
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: read surprisingly few books this year. I was pretty disappointed
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: in myself when I came down. I was like going
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: through my list just at how few I got through.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: So I read The Egg by Andy Weir. My list
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: is dominated by Andy Weir by the way.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I read Astrophysics for People in a Hurry by Neil
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: deGrasse Tyson. I read The Andromeda Strain, which is a
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: super old book by Michael Crichton, but very very good,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: strong recommend. I read head On by John skull Zy.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: This is like a sci fi sort of book. I
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Fi mystery, I guess in this case.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I reread Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir, which I
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: just read last year, I believe, and then read Randomized
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: by Andy Weir, so lots of Andy Weir stuff. I
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: do give myself a little bit of a pass on
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the number of books that I read because I finished.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I read Rhythm of War this year by Brandon Sanderson,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: and that book's like thirteen hundred pages long, so it
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: took me a while to get through. And then I
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: read Stories Are Weapons by Annalie Knwitz. This is essentially
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: a book about psychological warfare, and it gave me a
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: lot of ideas for upcoming episodes. And then I finished
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: The Half Life of Marie Curie. This is a pretty
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: short book. I'd probably just call it a novella by
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Lauren Gunderson, and it's very how to talk about this,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: it's kind of a loose fictional interpretation of how the
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: life of Marie Curry sort of ended between her and
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: sort of her close friends, and so there's a lot
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: of like dialogue that I think was largely made up
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: for the or like derived from like letters that she
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: in exchange with people. But it was good. And then
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I'm very close to being done with a couple of books.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens, which I've never actually
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: read before and is delightful. It is so good, short,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: very short, but really really good book. Strong recommend. Like
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: his writing. Man, it was just really really good. Also,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: if you've seen him up at Christmas Carol, it is
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: shockingly close to the book, like word for word in
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: many places, can press it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Wow. I love that.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And then I'm almost done with a book called Tress
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: of the Emerald c by Brandon Sanderson. It was one
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: of his secret projects books, just a really really good book.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Matter of fact, I'm enjoying it so much. It's it's
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: becoming one where I'm starting to tell people, if you
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: want to read a fantasy book that's just like a
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: self contained story, read this one.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I got two notes real quick. One, The Half
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Life of Marie Curry is one of the best titles
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: for a book ever given her history. Love that and
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: for the Andromeda Strain. And Michael Crichton. I read or
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I watched the Ted talk the other day that was
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a book designer and it was this guy who was
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: talking about how he had designed cover like book covers
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and how like the designs for book covers were really
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: important and how they and how they portrayed the story.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: And he was the guy that came up with the
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: logo the Tyrannosaurus skeleton for the Jurassic Park book. Whoa,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And it was such a great like, it was such
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: a great Ted talk because he was talking about book
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: design and thinking about it and the art processes for it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And when he brought up he brought up Jurassic Park.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: He had done a Murracami book as well, which was
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: really cool. So like there's a couple where I was like,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't know he did, Like he did so many
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of these really famous book covers that I was like,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: this is David said er, yeah, David Sideris. He did
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Naked by Him Too, which is like a New York
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Times bestseller, so really really cool stuff, really great Ted
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: talk if you can watch it.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: And for those of you who are aren't sure why
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Shane is bringing up Jurassic Park, it's because Michael Crichton
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: also wrote Jurassic.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Park, yes, yes, yes, sorry, and The Lost World the sequel.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: True.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I read Jurassic Park when I was like eight.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: That book is mightily.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Gory, is it? Yeah, it's scary. I'm going to read it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I'm interested to see. But yeah, he Michael Crichton, I
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: think is a name that few that more people should
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: recognize because he also wrote like the Sphere.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And I think Contact too maybe.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, well no, I think Contact was actually Carl Sagan, Okay,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: but he wrote Congo. I think it was called.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, Congo, uh huh, yeah, yeah, I've got I've got
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a Congo book right here. Because the joke, the joke
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: in our house is that my wife knows Tim Curry
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: from Congo, Like that's the specific movie that she always
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: points out to him, even though she's watched them. In
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: other things, she will explicitly try to find a really
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: obscure movie to reference an actor from. So like when
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: she talks about Laurence fishburn it's always from Pee Wee Herman.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: It's never from anything else that he's ever done.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: It's a very funny joke.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that is really funny. Laurence Fishburne and
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: his Apocalypse Now I think he was in Yeah when
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: you like Super Super Young. Yeah, Yeah, that's great.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny. So books I've read. I read
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: seventy books this year. Wow, but I'm not gonna read
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: all the pick your highlights, I think. Yeah. My highlights
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: are Upgrade by Blake Crouch, which is a really great
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: sci fi mystery DNA upgrading kind of thing, really really
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: great stuff. Love his stuff. Cool Psychology Essentials for Behavior
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Analysts by Lauren Toby and Eric Renade. That is a
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: really great introduction if you have never been exposed to psychology,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: if you got in a behavior analysis and like you
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: want just kind of like the nuts and bolts. It's
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a really great collection of chapters that talk about what
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: you need to know from the psychology world and really
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: how we're not that different.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I finished reading the Dune series, like the main the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: main story the eight books that are like that wrap
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: up the main storyline. I finished reading that this year,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and that took some wild turns.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I read the graphic novel series called Fables, which is great.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: It's a it's I think I mentioned on the show before,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: but it's basically all of your fairy tale characters living
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: in New York after they have left their fairy tale
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: worlds because an emperor has started taking over their lands,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and how they are living and dealing with modern problems
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: inside of New York as fairy tale creatures and so
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: like you have you know, the Big Bad Wolf and
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Snow White and all kinds of boy, Blue, Pinocchio, all
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: of them are there, and they're like big personalities, really
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: fascinating stories, really cool how they did that cool. Two
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: books for the year are probably Between Two Fires by
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Christopher Bulman, which is about a night and a young
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: girl and a pastor who are living during the plague
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and they are traversing the countryside and dealing with all
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: manner of spooky beings and monsters and creatures of the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: night and darkness. It is a fantastic read. It is
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: so scary. It's medieval horror. It is so scary. There
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: is a scene where they are in there on a
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: raft and they start getting attacked by these jellyfish, but
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the jellyfish of eating people, and all you can see
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: inside the jellyfish is human skulls. Wow, it's like it's like, huh,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: it's it's very very scary.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Sounds like fun.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really. It's a great read. So Between Two
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Fires or eleven twenty two sixty three by Stephen King,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: which just blew my socks off.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: That was just such a good book. Yeah, that's all right, one,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: it was amazing, all right. Any other notable highlights for
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: books for you this year?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I think that covers it. I read a lot, but
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: like I think those ones are the ones that stick
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: out to me this year.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: What in your mind is the opposite of a highlight
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: a low light? So here is a low light. It's
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: an ad. We're also going to talk about some movies
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: and TV shows that we watched. I'll do movies. I
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: watched a lot of movies and I will watch more
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: before this episode after we record this and before this publishes.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: But I did pretty well. I watched sixty two movies
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: so far, and actually it was more than that. But
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: the sixty two new movies that I had not yet seen. Okay,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: this is only a list of things that I'd never
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: seen before. Some of them are actually kind of old.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I'm kicking out a few of these and only keeping
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: sort of the more notable ones, and I'm not going
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: to linger very much on them because that would take
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: way too long. But I watched Spider Man Across the
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Spider Verse, looking forward to the sequel to that Super
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Mario Bros. Movie, which was better than I thought it
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: should be, The Flash, which was better than I was afraid.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: It was going to be Killers of Flower movie, which
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: is fantastic but long. The Green Knight Spirited Away I'd
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: never seen before and it was fabulous, and in fact,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I want to rewatch it. Meghan with a three foeurign E,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: which was weird. Five Nights at Freddy's Dune Part two
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: one of the best movies I saw this year. I
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: think June part two specifically was I saw the Creator
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Renfield was hilarious. Monkey Man was wild and very interesting
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and very unique and by the same director of The
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Green Knight. Yeah, I believe Cocaine Bear. Same actor too, right, yeah,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: same actor yeah, Fall Guy, Fantasy Island. This one was
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: super interesting idea and it kind of stuck with me,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: so I left it on here. Asteroid City as Wes
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Anderson one no hard Feelings, Oppenheimer, Godzilla Minus one. I
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: didn't see it until this year. Loved it. Deadpool and
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Wolverine amazing, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, loving
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the series, Mission Impossible, Dead Reckoning Part one was great,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Despicable Me Part four, Yes, I love those movies. They're
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: really fun. Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny, Pig Furiosa,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Max Saga was enjoyable, Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, which I've now rewatched,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: john Wick Chapter four, Inside Out two which was also
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: there is also my like top three movies of the year.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Then I'm the Last Dance Alien Romulus probably also in
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: my top three. Carry On, which was so much better
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: than I thought it was going to be. So if
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: you're curious about this, it looks good. Yeah, it was good,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: So check out carry On and then Red One, which
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: was also a really fun, completely bonkers Christmas movie.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I love that. You know, I didn't watch a lot
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: of movies this year. I don't know why. I tried
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to go back and look at my because I keep
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: all I keep track of all of them on letterbox.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: So I was looking at all the movies i'd registered
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: for this year, and I got a lot of the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: ones that you have too, But the ones I would add,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I would say Dune Part two and Inside Out to
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and Deadpool Versus Well and Deadpool and Wolverine incredible, a
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch, Like all of them are
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: really good. Dune is in particular beautifully shot. It is
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: one of the It is just amazing.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: As hard so the original Dune has original the David
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Lynch Dune as as charming and quirky as that movie is,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and I think there's a lot that people really enjoy
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: as fans the look and esthetic of Dune. The new
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Dune movies are the opposite of that. They are some
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: of the most stunning cinematography that has ever been done. Yes,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I mean really set the bar at a whole new
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: level for what amazing world building looks like in cinema.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Just incredible.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the only two movies I would add that there
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: are the three movies I would add would be Godzilla
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and King Kong New Empire, which is a lot of fun.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that. I mean, you can't really go
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: wrong with like giant monsters fighting giant monsters and just
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: watching humans go. Oh no, it's a lot of fun.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I would also add the Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare, which
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: was a lot of fun.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Oh. I start did it on a plane, but I
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: didn't get more than like ten minutes in. I haven't
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: seen it finished it yet.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Uh, it's it's so great. That one was a lot
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: of fun. And in Trap, I actually really enjoyed Trap.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I forgot Trap.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I actually really enjoyed that one. That
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: one was a lot of fun.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Cool. Any other movies for you?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: No, that's it. I mean that's really like I said,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't really watch a whole lot of movies this year.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I missed. I missed out a lot on a lot
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of them because I just I wasn't really intentional about
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: watching movies this year, which I would like to try
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to be better about, because I do really enjoy going
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to the movies, watching movies and having fun with that.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what what I did with movies you did with books?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was saying, I think that's I think that's
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: where we swapped.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I watched a lot of television this year. For
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: better or for Worse, far Go season five a fantastic
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: one of the best seasons so far. Animal Control, I
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: think it's season two or three? Now, what if? Was
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: season two? Echo?
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Cake? I think is on? Was season three? Fall Out?
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe one of the best series this year that was
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: so good.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I heard that was good.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Ghosts I think it was season three, now into season
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: four The Bear. I watched all the seasons of that
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: this year. Abbott Elementary, all the seasons of that this year.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: The Boys season four, which, if you're into that kind
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: of thing, is wonderful and really enjoyable, but is also
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: very very rated R and gory. Yes, Yes, Presumed Innocent,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: which was a really interesting one. Umbrella Academy, which was fantastic.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: The Devil's Hour season two great, but like ended in
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the middle of the story for setting up season three.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I guess The new season of Only Murders in the
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Building was great. I've never seen Righteous Gemstones before, but
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I went ahead and watched all of the seasons of
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that and those were super good. The new season of
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: The Great British Baking Show is a kit Holiday Edition,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: The Great British Baking Show Holiday Edition, and then the
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: new season of Crime Scene Kitchen.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Of all the TV shows I can think of
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: this year that I watched, I really think I only
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: watched Great British Baking Show.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a great one.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't watch a lot of TV this year. Yeah,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: You did watch a Shoka though, I.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Think, oh yeah, so yeah, So I watched all the Marvel,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I watched ah Soka, I watched I Gota all along.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I watch Loki season two this year. I think Loki
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: season two is this year. So I watched all that
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and that was cool. And I've been catching glimpses of
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the shows that's all about, like the Chicago it's like
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Chicago Pet, Chicago Fire, Chicago Medical. Okay, and they're like
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: all these intertwined. They're all written by Dick Wolf. So
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: if you're intil like, okay, what's the show called, what's
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the It's the Law and Order. That's what it is.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, I was like Crime and Crime in
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Jail or something. So I left the Crime to Jail shows.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: They should rename them that. Yeah.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So so right now I'm catching like episodes of
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Chicago Med, which is all about like the drama happening
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: and like the emergency department of this hospital, and it's
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: been really fascinating because they do touch on like like
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: social issues, like you know, insurance covering people's care and
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and like making decisions that are the most ethical versus
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: like because it's a for profit hospital, so they're now
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: like having those conversations about ethical treatment and all that
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: stuff too. So like there are some cool things that
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: are happening inside of it. But yeah, I didn't really
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: watch a lot of TV this year.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Is an interesting interesting guys. Yeah, he loves the first
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: responder industry.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I think he's definitely like he's made it work. I mean,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: if you watch Chicago Fire, Chicago Peat, and Chicago Med,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: all three of them tied together and there's like ten
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: seasons of each, Jesus well, like he's like the Scrooge
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: McDuck of true crime. Right now, he's like just diving
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: into vaults of cash.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so those are the entertainment things.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I have one more thing I like to add because
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: something that's a big part of my world, I mean,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: in both of our world is music, and so I
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: wanted to share a couple of records this year, but
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed that. I think people should check out.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: So Drug Church they put out a record called Prude,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: which is really great. That's probably my record of the year.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Darkest Hour if you like thrash metal, put out a
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: new record this year called Perpetual Terminal, which is awesome.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: The Hope Conspiracy came back with the angriest hardcore record
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I've ever heard of my life, and it's called Tools
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: of Oppression Rule by Deception, and when you open it up,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: it is a bunch of pigs in business suits, like
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: counting their money. It's like they are aggressively mad. And
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: then it was the Mattis hardcore record I heard up
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: until I heard this last one, which is a band
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: called No Cure, which they put out a record called
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I Hope I Die Here. Okay, Yeah, So they recently
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: had a scuffle at a show where I think the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: guitar player and the bass player were stabbed and the
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: bass player had to get like forty five or fifty
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: stitches or something like that across the stomach you stabbed
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: in the stomach, and then like a week later played Hellfest.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: So seemed like really great. Dudes. They put out a shirt,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: like a benefit shirt that was just it was the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: band's logo and it was just a picture of the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: dude's scar on a stomach and it said something like
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: you can't kill, no cure or something like that, and
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: so they put out a benefit shirt and to help
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: pay for his medical bills. Is the last one I'll
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: say is Planes was taken for Stars. Their singer had
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: passed away from throat cancer a couple of years ago,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and this is the last recording they had of the
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: band together before he had passed, And so they did
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: this really great I got this really great version of it.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: It's a vinyl record that comes with a full color
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: photo book of them recording and like leading up to
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: the recording and putting it all together. So like it's
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: a really cool memorial for this band, and so if
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: you like to check it out. They put out this
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: record called do You Love Me? And that's the last
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: record they put out as a band.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I don't have much I've unfortunately been I
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: listened to so many podcasts and audiobooks and stuff that
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I don't find my way to music as much as
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I once did. For those people who like the Deftones
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: but if they were heavier, this band called Weight of
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: the Tide. They put out an EP called What Pale
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Victory Nice. It sort of reminds me of like heavier Deftones.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I think sort of got that vibe to it. I
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: like that Dance. Gavin Dance put out a few singles
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: this year, war Machine, the Ghost of Billy Royalton, Straight
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: from the Heart, and Speed Demon. Those were all all
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: pretty good. So those ones for me.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I think I like it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: There's one I don't think I mentioned last year, which
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: is what it came out last year. Well, we did
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: talk about Blinkwin Eddie Tupe out One More Time, which
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: was really good. But the other one I was thinking
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: of is Thrice re re release the Artist and the Ambulance,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: but like they replayed the whole album like modern Thrice.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I guess yes, and it was absolutely fantastic, So strong
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: recommended there.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a that is a good version of
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: that too. It was really cool.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we wait time for an ad break or
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: do we do we move on?
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Let's do a quick gab break, all right, I want
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: to move on to some sad stuff for a minute,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: which is the in memorium part. It seems like a
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: boatload of celebrities died this year. I wasn't really planning
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: on talking about them, but there were some notable scientists,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: in particular in the sort of behavioral sciences. Doctor Elizabeth
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Hughes Fong was the founder of the Multicultural Alliance of
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Behavior Analysts. She was a published researcher on culture and
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: diversity and behavior analysis and an associate director at Pepperdine's
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: online MSABA program. She was a pretty well respected, well
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: known figure who passed away this year.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: There's also Daniel Konneman. He was the Eugene Higgins Professor
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: of Psychology emeritis. He's a Professor of Psychology and Public
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Affairs emeritus and a Nobel Laureate in economics.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Taversky and Conoman are very commonly cited and thinking
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: about decision making. I believe the book that he published
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: was called Thinking Fast and Slow, which has been reference
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: and used a lot in various economic and social psychology
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: type circles. So very very well known, well respected behavioral
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: scientist Norman Peterson. I don't know much about this person.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I know he was a member of ab Association for
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Behavior Analysis International, so I can't speak too much beyond
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: his character other than he was seemed to have been
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: in that sphere. And then Peter Higgs was a Nobel
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: winning physicist who also passed away this year.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Yes. And then there was Alexi Navaldi, who was a
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: domestic opponent of Russian President Vladimir Putin, so sounds like
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: he was probably on the right side of history.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And he was the one that made the news
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: because he was only forty seven and supposedly died of
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: some random, unavoidable thing while imprisoned simply for being a
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: political opposition to Putin. But it was pretty clear that
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: he was almost certainly killed executed. Yeah, yeah, excuted. And
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: then the most the one that hits hardest for me.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: This is a person that I knew well, just the
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: nicest person you will have ever met, and also made
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: many valuable contributions to education, particularly in the world of
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: precision teaching. She had many and still has many curriculum
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: books available online and was developing many more. I just
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: saw her in November. It was Elizabeth Houghton, just one
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: of the most delightful people. It was really quite depressing
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: to hear her passing, and she was still pretty young.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Really just the kindest person ever. So much love to
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: her family and just really sad that she's not with
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: us any longer.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like love and peace and all the
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: things that go along with this, because I know losing
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: folks are it can be pretty hard. So hopefully everybody
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: is taking care of themselves and just lots of light
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and love your way.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Indeed, Well, twenty twenty four was a weird year. I
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: sort of tried to capture what stood out to me
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: as some of the main events of the year. I'm
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: going to try and take better notes about that in
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five as it comes along. But in just
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: thinking about a reflection of the year, I tried not
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: to go with things that were like just happening recently,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: but those are really fresh in my mind, so like,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I am going to talk about those. But to me,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: one of the themes of twenty twenty four, and I'm sure
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: will continue to be a theme moving forward, was ai
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Ai everywhere everything. We've got AI music, we've got AI photos,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: we've got AI videos, we've got AI deep fakes, we've
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: got Ai yeah, wage generators, we've got AI coding, we've
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: got AI in like all of our software platforms anymore,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: and now AI on iPhones, so like AI is out there.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Like that was like the theme of twenty twenty four
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: to me was artificial intelligence is now everywhere.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, there was also the Summer Olympics, which took the
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: world by storm for lots of different reasons. We had
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: break dancing and the incredible ray gun. It's just like
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: just just absolutely astounding and incredible. And there was also
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: that the guy who was the second place, the silver
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: medalist in the shooting competition, who like went in with
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: no gear, no specialized like he just was like, I
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: just got really good at shooting a handgun and that
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: was his training, and everybody else was like really professional
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: and like looked like spies, and he was just kind
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: of like an everyday dude that just walked in and
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: just dominated. Yeah, hey man, his partner, I want to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: be clear, it was like his partner too, wasn't just him,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Like the two of them were like unbelievable in that.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Wow, So the US took the podium in nineteen events.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: There were one hundred and twenty six medals that the
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: US won, and forty of them were gold, So the
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: US actually took home the most medals.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, China won ninety medals and forty of them were gold.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: So still quite a few, quite a few athletes in
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: these in these groups.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Those the next most decorated group. And there were not
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of overlaps overlapping events where China won medals
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: of the US also one. They seemed like they were
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: in totally different categories. Yeah, a lot of the time.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: And then of course go Jira played a pretty memorable
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: opening ceremonious yes, which I don't know how to describe
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: other than what a spectacle that was.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: It was a metal band playing on the side of
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: a castle. It ruled. It was fire everywhere.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: There were heads, there were beheaded people and fire and
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: things shooting all over the place, and it was heavy
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: metal and it was really interesting.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: It was glorious. I love it.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Another major event of twenty twenty four that's very relevant
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: to US at least is that the US has decided
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: to dismantle its government and hand it to a bunch
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: of corrupt criminals, rapist oligarchs and dictators. So as a country,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: we're completely faked. And because we're moving into an oppressive
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: regime it is, and one of which we have been
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: very critical and will be continued to be very critical
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: as possible. This podcast will be crushed or otherwise disappear,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: or we're just not popular enough for anyone to care,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: and we'll just keep doing our thing and throwing pebbles
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: at the evil giants.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see, We'll see what happens. Speaking of evil giants,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: a healthcare CEO was murdered in broad daylight, and so
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni had been on the run and had started
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: an upswelling movement of outspoken resistance towards health insurance companies
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: and all that. So the man has become something of
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a folk hero in these days. It's been a really
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: fascinating thing to see develop it is.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: It is interesting, and I think as a podcast we've
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: been very clear we're not ever in support of murdering humans,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: and I think mostly we're not in support of violence
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: right in whatever form that that takes. And I think
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: it is worth reflecting as a society. What happens when
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: that many people start supporting someone who committed a murder
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and what that might say about our health industry and
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: also what we think about with respect to violence. And
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: so it has been an eye opening thing that is
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: a really unfortunate and also informative. Yes, I guess so
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: that was a thing that I think is as obviously
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: making the news rounds right now, it probably will as
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the trial happens and as more evidence comes out and whatnot.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know that there's going to be a
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: formal trial because he's being tried under terrorism laws, which
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: means that he will not get a jury.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, gotcha. Interesting.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so thanks to the Patriot Acts, all right.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I guess we'll see how that shakes out.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Another major story is drones. I guess there's drones everywhere
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: in New Jersey. It's freaking people out.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people are mad about this. Speaking of drones. Though,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: there were congressional hearings on UAPs and so there has
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: been a lot of discussion around aliens and transparency about
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the government and what they know and what they don't know.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: And it's been really fascinating to watch that happen kind
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: of under the radar while everything else is on fire.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: True, true, Now I do want to just as a
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: quick note on the UAPs, as someone who would love
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: if we found evidence of alien life. I would love it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I would be so tickled and enamored and interested in
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: like we had some kind of evidence of alien life.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I need that evidence to be overwhelming so that I
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: can really get excited. Like how disappointing to find out
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: over and over and over again it was a balloon,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: it was a murmuration of birds, it was some kind
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: of spycraft, or it was a drone, or it was
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: a shooting star or whatever like.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I don't understand this willingness to accept the worst evidence
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: and then just be disappointed by over and over again.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: And I guess it's people are like so convinced that
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: they're not disappointed or something. So I don't know. My
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: thought is, like, I would love it if we did
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: have evidence that there were like extraterrestrial beings that what
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: we could communicate with, and that evidence needs to be overwhelming,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: and right now it is barely approaching underwhelming. It is
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: so bad, right, so, like, hopefully there is evidence of
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: that but until there is I will am I'm not
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: convinced by the pathetic, blurried fast images that like no
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: one can see and the poor records of things that
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: are like better explained by other things, like when we
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: find extraterrestrial life, the evidence will be very very clear
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: that that's what that is, and then I will be overjoyed.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, until there is evidence.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: There is no evidence, Yeah, exactly, that's exactly right. We
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: did get a Spotify wrapped and it told us things
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: about who we are as people, and it gave us
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: feels a little bit. So here's some information that we
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: got from the wrapped. We had a nine percent growth
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: in listeners, so thank you for listeners. Happy to have you, Yes,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: thank you, six percent growth in the number of streams,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: a thirty four percent growth in the number of followers
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: who apparently also are not just listeners that may be
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That was an interesting difference there, Yeah,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: But the most interesting stat to me was that eighty
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: six percent of our listeners discovered us this year. Wow,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: which was greatly surprising. So all most of you, most
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: of you listening, if you're listening now, most of our
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: listeners this year found us this year.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: That's wild. So thank you for being here more than anything.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, happy to have you.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Some other fascinating things about the show Organizational Psychology.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Our episode on that is still our best performing episode,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: which is really great.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: By almost one thousand percent.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and people really love that one.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Apparently. I don't even I go need to go back
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: and listen to it. See.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, maybe we'll do nostalgia. We'll see
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: if we'll do it. Yeah, we'll beef that one up.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Most of our audiences between thirty and forty four years old.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: The majority of those are about thirty five to forty
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: four years old. And we were streamed in seventy nine countries.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Woo, hello country child that aren't to the US.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Hello all y'all, we see you.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Apparently we were in the top ten number podcasts for
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: nine hundred and four people, We were in the top
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: five for five hundred and eleven people, and we were
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: the number one podcast for ninety nine Red balloons. Ah
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: and by that, by that I mean ninety nine people.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you all. That's so great, and so it's
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it's very flattering that you all are listening to us.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: We really appreciate you. And uh and and I'm happy
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: that we could that we could be in your ears
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: so much, and that you wanted us there. And we
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: can also tell that you wanted us there because we
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: got an average of a four point nine rating out
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: of five on Spotify, So I really appreciate your kind
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: ratings as well.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, take that, Jordan Peterson, The rivalry lives on. I'll
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: never let it die.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: No, that's very very reasonable. All right, Well, we actually
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: do like we do a thing where we recommend things.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: If you're joining us for the first time and that's
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: new to you. Most of the time when we do episodes,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: we talk about an actual topic that is substantive, and
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: we we unpack that as I discussed in summarizing all
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: the things that we did, and then at the end
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: of that we will just say, hey, here's the thing
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: that I thought found I'm recommending to people. And for me,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: it's often movies. For you, it's often books or music,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: and sometimes it's totally random things. Yeah, we are going
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: to do that, even for this episode, even though this
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: is kind of a unique episode in what it is
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: because we're just sort of reflecting on the year. But
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: before we do that, I'm going to bow once more
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: to the advertising kingpins that have are threatening to break
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: my knees if I don't otherwise let them in.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Be safe.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: They said, you better play that ad or we'll see
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: what my wiffle bat does to your knees. What that was?
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: That was a reference to Gary Larson Fareside comics. There's
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: a really good one about the gangster using a woofle
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: bat or threatening someone with a woffle bat.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: That's kind of great.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I love that. It's really good. Okay, yeah, let's recommend
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: some things. I'll let you go first.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Recommendations. A few minutes before we started recording this episode,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I was able to pull out the items that I
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: just baked today for the Christmas holiday, and for the
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: first time in my life, I made banana bread from
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: scratch fun, which is really cool. And so my recommendation
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: is baking. Spend some time baking. It's a lot of fun.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I know people get really worked up about it, but like,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: just find a simple recipe, go out there, bake something
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you like. This year, I have learned how to make
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: a pie from a scratch. I made an apple pie
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: from scratch that was delicious, and I made banana bread,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: which was also very very very very very good and
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: very very I think just fun. Yeah, it's messy. Yeah,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: you're going to mess up. I think that's people always
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: worry about messing up. But I've learned that, like, if
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: you mess up, it's fine. You learn from it and
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: you could do something better next time. So yeah, So
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: my recommendation is baking. Spend some time baking and messing
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: with recipes and writing them down and playing around with
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: it and seeing what you can come up with. It's
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: There are a million recipes, there are a million recipe books,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: there's all kinds of stuff. Yeah, that's a great recommendation.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I love that. And there's something really fun. I don't
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: know if it's actually cheaper, but it's kind of cool
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: when you like make a staple food for yourself that
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: you then have available to you that you would otherwise
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: have to buy. Like I've got these recipes for all
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: these salad dressings, and so we can make them like
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: these large batches, and then we have like these containers
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: that like we can just make salad dressing whenever we
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: need it. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not sure we're actually
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: saving any money on this, but it feels cool to
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: like be in control of that and feels like, oh,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: I don't have to go buy this this disposable bottle.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe it is one more thing because I can just
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: make it and put in this reusable bottle that we've
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: been using for those So that's cool.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I got some inspiration for this from some things that
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: are difficult to give a lot of context too. But
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: my recommendation is to start if you can. Like this
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: is a very ambitious recommendation. I haven't done this, but
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: I would like to to start or to join some
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: kind of secular social group. And there are some of
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: these that are starting to pop up. There are like
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: some secular like churches if you will, I know that
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: are starting to become a thing that people will go
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: and they just aggregate just to like have a social
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: thing that they do. They spend a couple of hours,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: they do like ted talk style presentations, or they might
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: you know, just talk about something valuable to them, or
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: they might read some poetry or whatever, and it's just
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: a way for people to get together and enjoy that
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: time with one another without it being religiously oriented. And
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: there might be lots of reasons for that. My specific
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: reason for recommending it be a secular group is because,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: as I've said many many times on this show, my
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: primary allegiance is to humanistic psychology and science like that's
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: essentially where the things that I think are important, and
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: I think that they're important because they are largely for
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: the well being of humans, and particular I mean, for
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: a very long time, but particularly recently, the religious side
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: of things, they have really generally thrown their hat in
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: the ring of authoritarian of conspiracy, theories, of pseudoscience, of
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: anti science, of hatred, of bigotry, and I just can't
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: recommend that as the thing. So and it's not all
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: of them are. There are going to be plenty of
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: them that are very, very kind, very generous, if you
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: very wonderful people, and if you find that and that
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: works for you, great, But by and large, if you
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: show up to one, I'm afraid that's not going to
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: be the kind of environment you find yourself in. So
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I would love to see more. And the other thing too,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: is there are just a lot of people in this
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: country that are secular, and they don't have big social groups,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: and they are very alone. A lot of the time,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and so I think there's a lot of good that
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: could be gained by just creating a bit more of
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: a movement around socialization with other humans where it is
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: just about the only goal of socialization. It's just about
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: building relationships and getting to know people and supporting one another.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: And so if you can start one and you have
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: that ambition, amazing, go ahead and do that. If you
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: can join one and there's like one nearby, you really great.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: I would do that in a heartbeat. So those are
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: kind of that's my recommendation. It's a big one, and
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody can do it, but that's
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: what I'm going with.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. Find your people, Yeah,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: find your people?
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I think that's what we have to
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: say to wrap up the year. If you listen to
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: us on Christmas, why but I'm happy to have you here,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: that's great. If it's after Christmas, then awesome. I hope
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: you had a really great holiday and are going to
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: have a really great new year. As I said, this
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: is the last full length episode will be releasing of
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, although there is one more mini that
• 54:35
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• 54:37
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• 54:40
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• 54:43
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• 54:46
  Speaker 2: there are quite a few things that go along with
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: having like a small business that is a podcast, And
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: there are some people who have already made that leap,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: and their generosity is just It gives me hope in humanity.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: So here are the people who give me hope. Mike
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: m Megan, Mike T, Justin, Kim Brad, Stephanie, Olivia, Brian Ashley,
• 55:05
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• 55:09
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• 55:11
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• 55:13
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• 55:17
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• 55:20
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• 55:24
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• 55:27
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• 55:29
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• 55:38
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• 55:38
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• 55:40
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• 55:41
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• 55:43
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• 55:45
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• 55:49
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• 56:04
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• 56:05
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• 56:06
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• 56:08
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• 56:21
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• 56:24
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• 56:26
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• 56:28
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• 56:30
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• 56:32
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• 56:35
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• 56:37
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• 56:38
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• 56:41
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• 56:45
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• 56:49
  Speaker 2: have to say before I say Happy New Year. Is
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: there anything you would like to add or anything that
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I forgot before we end this shame.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: No, Happy new Year, and we look forward to sharing
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: with you next week. Are four one hundredth episode?
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, thank you. I forgot to mention that this
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: is our three hundred and ninety ninth episode, which is
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: a lot of episodes. So we are now past the
• 57:11
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• 57:13
  Speaker 2: us every single day and for an entire year and
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: not run out of things to listen to. A matter
• 57:18
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• 57:20
  Speaker 2: and so four hundred is a cool mile marker works
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: at to bring you our four hundredth episode, but we
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: will do that in twenty twenty five. Thank you for
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: being with us for twenty twenty four. I hope that
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: your year was was pretty good. I hope that you
• 57:32
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• 57:35
  Speaker 2: what are your whatever your circumstances, I appreciate you, and
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: I think that's it, so Happy New Year, Happy holidays.
• 57:41
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• 57:45
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• 57:49
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• 57:51
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• 57:57
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