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Ep. 16 - Myth of the Rainbow? · Martyr's Row

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  Simon, surname Xylotes, preached the gospel in
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  Mauritania, Africa, and even Britain, in which
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  latter country he was crucified, AD 74. Hey,
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  Stephen. Hey, Paul. You know, it's funny. So
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  we joke about this podcast and how we always
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  record at 4 a .m. Oh, yeah. And it's funny because
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  we're recording on a Saturday morning right now.
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  But it feels like 4 a .m. on a weekday. It does.
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  Yeah, there's something about like Saturday where
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  even if you're not a person that stays out late
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  on Friday, it's like they say you can't catch
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  up on sleep. Yeah. That's not really actually
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  scientifically a thing. But. There's something
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  about the energy of a full week, where you keep
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  going, and you get to the end of it, and your
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  body goes, all right, we made it. Time to stop.
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  Yeah, it's weird. God created our bodies that
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  way. It's true, and if we ignore it, it's like,
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  it just... It hurts. So this, even though this
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  is a morning episode, this might be our sleepiest
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  one. I think so. Prepare for me to just yawn
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  the whole time. Yeah, we're gonna have low voices
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  and clogged ears. Like, yeah. If we look stuffy,
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  that's why. I think it's just, I think that's
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  what living in Florida is like. Yeah, that's
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  true. I think it's just part of it. It's just,
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  you can't fight it. Yeah. We'll have to figure
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  out like prime real estate. Like, what's prime
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  real estate time? What's the least stuffy? Oh
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  yeah, true. I think an actual real estate. Where
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  can I go and be the least stuffy in Florida?
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  Well, yeah. We'd have to leave Florida. Yeah,
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  that's true. It'd be like Southern California.
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  Not even close to your area. No, no. Somewhere
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  in the desert. Well, I do have a story for you.
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  Okay. I like stories. That's good. Because I
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  have one. Okay. I want to hear it. may or may
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  not make me sound pretentious, so I hope it does.
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  We're gonna drink coffee the whole time? Yeah,
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  because it's early. I don't think you're... Okay,
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  you want us to think you're pretentious. No,
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  but it's funnier if I say it. Okay. So I, several
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  years ago, I did a study abroad trip in London.
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  Okay, I was there for a little over a month.
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  Well, we already talked about how I did one in
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  Israel Oh, that's true. So we're just both and
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  you were there longer see So you kind of already
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  have an out perfect Yeah, it's that classic the
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  person who studied abroad one time and doesn't
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  shut up about it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly this whole
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  podcast Yeah, although we are finding consistently
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  that An experience that I've had or you've had,
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  we've both had the same. That's true. So it's
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  actually... It's kind of weird. It's the same
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  experience. Like your dad and my mom grew up
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  Catholic. Yes. Not in the same state, but they
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  definitely knew each other. Because all Catholics
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  know each other. By the power of the Holy Spirit.
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  The Catholic Holy Spirit. I love that. The Catholic
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  Holy Spirit. That's a t -shirt. I actually really
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  like that. We have so many t -shirt ideas. Yeah,
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  that's true. Actually, you know what's funny?
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  This is a total side point of the story I'm trying
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  to tell. I like to derail you if I can. Yeah,
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  it always works. Because my mind just goes. But
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  when I was, the class that I took in London was
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  a mythology class. So I didn't derail you. Oh,
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  you're back on track. Well, I'm on a different
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  track. Okay. Not the one I was trying to be in.
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  Sorry. I caught a different train real quick.
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  Mythology course in London. Which was kind of
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  fun. So we got to go around and like... That's
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  a great place to have a mythology course. And
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  there's such cool just old stuff there. Yeah.
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  You've got the British Museum downtown so we
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  would go and just like explore there. And our
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  teacher would just walk through, talk about myths
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  the entire time. It was awesome. It's funny that
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  we get excited about old things in places but
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  not old people. Why is that I wonder if it's
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  cuz the less pruney Well, maybe it's cuz I'm
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  so excited to be an old person I know say yeah,
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  but like maybe it's cuz things in places don't
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  talk back Right? We like when we can enjoy it
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  at our pace. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, there's
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  gotta be a selfish reason for that. There's gotta
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  be. There's gotta be. Yeah, it is funny. Yeah,
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  because there's even times for myself where...
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  I'm really interested in something at the moment.
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  Then as soon as I ask the question and someone
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  starts telling me the story, I'm like, I'm done.
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  I'm not getting it the way I wanted to. Yeah,
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  that's everyone listening to this podcast. Like,
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  just get on with the story. Well, with that being
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  said, so it was funny in London because so obviously
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  people in. the UK in England, they speak English.
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  They're all old. All of them are old. Every single
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  one. They all feel ancient. But they don't speak
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  the same English that we speak. Right. Whereas
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  like they're slang and they're different words
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  that they use, which is the same slang. Yeah,
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  that's true. I was trying to have another thing
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  to add. There's differences. And so one of the
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  things is I've never been asked what my surname
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  was. Okay, because I get asked in the u .s. What
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  my last name is right? So when I was there they
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  said, oh, what's your surname? Yeah, and I was
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  like what are you talking about? You can just
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  call me Paul But also like are they implying
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  your mail? Yeah, sir. What's your name? It's
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  a weird way to ask that Yeah, but well, I have
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  a name tag on it says Paul and it's interesting
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  with and I'm sure this is fairly common for a
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  lot of people to know this now, but a lot of
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  names that we have today, a lot of last names
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  or surnames, are based off of what your profession
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  was or what you were known for. A long time back,
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  medieval when they were making those. And so
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  it's interesting, so you have someone like, oh,
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  you have like John Smith, and it's like, oh,
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  he was a blacksmith. Yeah, or he came from the
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  line of blacksmiths. You got a baker, and it's
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  like, oh, and that person was a shepherd. Oh,
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  easy. Then you got some weird ones, where it's
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  like some people, actually I have no clue what
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  my last name means. I don't know if you know
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  yours. I don't. OK. Too long, but there's some
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  were saying it actually was just like something
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  that they did that was notable Okay, and it's
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  like oh this person had a lot of anxiety. He's
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  so Yeah, that's that's what their last name means
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  because they were known for that, but that makes
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  me wonder and ask the question I don't think
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  I've ever thought about before which is Do did
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  certain names originally come after the fact
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  or did they come at the beginning? Because like
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  when you're born now When people are born their
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  name First name last name or first name surname.
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  Is there another word for first name? But it's
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  like So so having that did that come after or
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  before because now when you're born we put it
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  in as you're being born Yeah, well, I mean You're
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  born and then you sign it. Yeah. Not you, but
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  your parents. I can't do it. I haven't learned
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  yet. But it seems like... Well, I feel like it
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  came later because... Because it would be like
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  John the blacksmith. Yeah. Not John Smith. Well,
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  because I feel like even before then, because
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  we see this in scripture a lot in other ancient
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  texts. Yeah. Where it was based off of the region
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  that you were from or based off your parents.
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  Right. Like Mary Magdalene. Yeah. Yeah. So it's
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  like, oh, that's your surname is just where you're
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  from. Yeah, it's not like an actual name. Yeah,
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  so we look at like Mary Magdalene. We're like,
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  that's her last name. Yeah It was like I'm not
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  like Paul of Cleveland, right? Well, you're also
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  not from Cleveland well I didn't want to get
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  too specific all from outside Cleveland greater
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  Cleveland Yeah, that's true that works and I'm
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  within I'm a transplant so mmm that then just
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  that's your middle name Paul transplant outer
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  Cleveland now living in Lakeland Transplant from
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  outer Cleveland Lakeland and that's probably
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  there was so much of that. They're probably Your
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  name's Smith. Yeah, and that makes sense like
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  over time. It's just the fact that the quantity
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  of people went up Yeah, well actually, you know
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  the other thing that makes sense about that is
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  cuz you think It would get confusing if you have
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  like 15 Johns in one area. And it's like, well,
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  they're all John, you know, something. I can't
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  think of funny names today. Well, you also think
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  about like in a previous episode, we talked about
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  how the people in Nazareth looked at Jesus in
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  the synagogue and they were like, that's Joseph's
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  boy. Yeah. But the thing about that that's funny
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  is they weren't like, oh, that's Jesus, surname
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  Christ. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well,
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  because that wasn't his last name. Right. Yeah,
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  yeah. But then also, like, they weren't like,
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  that's... Well, and the funny thing, that gets
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  complicated, but they weren't like, that's Jesus
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  Smith. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because his
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  dad is Joseph Smith. Oh! That's the... That would
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  have been such a perfect... I feel like we need
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  that meme where it's just our mouths. I hope
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  you're also listening to this very early in the
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  morning. Yeah, cuz it gets you're along with
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  us. Yeah It makes sense though because a lot
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  of people that time when someone was like a blacksmith
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  Yeah, your kids were blacksmiths to you because
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  there was a family trade So it makes sense like
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  oh this one family does this one thing? Yeah.
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  So that's just their name. Yeah. And to be fair,
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  it'd be like Joseph Carpenter. Yeah. Yeah. Or
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  Joseph, um, uh, General Contractor. Plates buried
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  in the ground. Joseph Contractor. Isn't that
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  just, you know, it's so strange. I actually just
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  had a dream this last night that I was talking
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  to someone. Yeah, I do. I was talking to someone
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  in my dream. we were all like at this Bible study
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  and we were like, was Jesus actually a carpenter
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  or was he a general contractor or like a mason?
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  Oh, or a mason. Oh, a stone mason. Jesus's dad's
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  name was Joseph Smith and he was a mason? Boom,
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  boom, boom, boom. But I was like, why was that?
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  You just went boom boom boom boom boom boom boom
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  boom boom boom That's why so it's interesting
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  and why I bring all this up Classic Paul getting
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  us back on track trying and then I'm like, please
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  find the track again is Our martyr today How
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  many chugga chuggas do you do before the choo
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  -choo good question Chugga chugga chugga chugga
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  chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga that penny
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  for no, that was like at least eight Oh, that
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  was eight. Chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga. This
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  is not good podcasting. No. They're curious.
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  They want to know. Well, OK, so in our martyr
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  today, with our martyr today, something for me,
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  for Simon, that I'm not Simon, for our martyr
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  Simon, that I found interesting. Paul Simon.
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  It starts off with surname. This podcast is a
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  bridge over trouble water. I hope you're sitting
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  in a room of silence listening to us But yeah,
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  so it's like okay, it said his surname is I low
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  T. What is I low T's right? And it's like well.
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  What does that mean? That's just why they just
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  threw a surname in like well And I think it's
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  important to spell it to like oh, yeah zee L
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  o h There's an H. No that was in the pronunciation.
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  Oh, sorry Yeah, let me pull it up instead of
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  trying to remember e l o t e s right Sure, I
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  honestly you spelled it and I didn't I didn't
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  keep any of the letters in my brain spell it
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  again Let us know if I got her z e l o t e s
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  I dig it right Okay, you started spelling it
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  and I forgot every letter after you said it Like
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  sure I feel like Like, I don't know. Comet. Yeah,
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  if you. Yeah, that's the pronunciation. Zebra
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  logo logo bees. Yeah, because I feel like people
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  try and do that, like even sometimes like like
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  my. like someone will try around my kids to spell
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  something instead of say it. And they start spelling
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  it and I'm like, I don't know what you're saying.
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  I have to like spell it back to myself when people
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  do that to me. Well, I have to think so hard.
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  Yeah, cause I'm like, I gotta hold onto every
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  letter you're saying. But, and it's not, it's
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  not like because I'm like low intelligence. It's
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  because we don't. To me that's why. But we don't
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  talk to each other by spelling words. Yeah, right,
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  so I'm like I know what this is a different language
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  It's like people with dogs like you want to go
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  out for an W a L K and I was like I'm just as
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  lost as your dog I know I know and the truth
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  is is the dog and I already read your mind. Yeah
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  The dark the dog already through telepathy knows
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  what you're thinking and I'm like hold on Give
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  a napkin nearby. So your dog's response to that
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  is to look at you Or your friend's dog's response
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  to that is to look at Paul and go, he doesn't
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  know it. Come on. Paul, let me help you. Let
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  me help you. So, xylotes. Let us know what is
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  that all about. Z -E -L -O -T -E -S. Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah. Yeah. So, xylotes. I still, I spelled it
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  and still didn't know what I spelled. I think
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  because the pronunciation is different letters.
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  That's what's in my head. Yeah, that's fair.
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  Yeah, so xylotes, so that's his surname or his
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  last name or what he was known by. Yeah. Which
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  is different than your last name. And when you
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  find out what this word is, if you haven't guessed
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  by now, then it's kind of interesting. Yeah,
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  it's a Greek word that basically like is synonymous
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  with zealot. Yeah. And a zealot is a passionate
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  person. Someone burning with zeal, I think was
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  the... Yeah. Yeah, somebody burning with zeal.
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  Which is a little bit cheating. It is kind of
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  final word by a shorter version of its work.
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  I know our spelling is slightly different Yeah,
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  it says emulator zealous admirer or follower
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  Hmm and I asked you this and people in the comments
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  might be able to or one burning with zeal Yeah,
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  it's like he was known as Simon the zealot. He
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  was yeah, so even when he's like, oh that's because
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  that's what his name is Well, even in even in
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  Matthew 10 for it says Simon the zealot 10 -4
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  It says Simon the zealot and Judas Iscariot who
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  betrayed him. Yeah, right? So and that's that's
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  your lesson being betrayer Well, imagine that
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  that's like your verse to memorize a week. I'm
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  Everybody memorize Matthew 10 -4. I'll say it
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  with you Simon the zealot and Judas Iscariot
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  who betrayed him is easy one. Not bad Just imagining
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  the betrayer being your life. I'm John Betrayer.
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  So that's the thing, like Iscariot also means
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  that. Oh, does it? Yeah. I didn't know that.
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  Yeah, so that's not his last name. That's his
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  surname. It is now the surname is in these cases
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  a last name Well, it becomes a last name, but
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  it was clearly something that was given to him
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  after Yeah, because like when we talked about
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  names indicate him you talk about like like Jacob
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  Yeah, and Jacob he gets his name at birth, but
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  he gets it because of what he's doing Yeah, which
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  is holding on to his brother's heel. Yeah And
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  then his name changes later to Israel, one who
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  wrestles with God because he was wrestling. He
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  wrestled with God. So like his the name comes
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  after the action. Yeah. In those instances, even
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  though one does come at birth, it still comes
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  after the action. So it's kind of interesting
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  because that's how that's how we have this here.
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  So if you're an expecting parent, don't come
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  up with kids names yet. But I also wonder like
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  I haven't looked at this, but I wondered. Like,
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  this is my son, nose picker. But that is, I do
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  hear stories of that, that people will be like,
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  this child is this, this is their name. And then
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  when they come out, they just decide to name
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  them something different. I've heard that many
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  times. Well, that happened to my younger siblings.
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  My parents came up with names for them, and then
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  like a month later, they're like, these names
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  aren't them. Like after they were born? Yeah.
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  A month after? Or it might have been a couple
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  weeks, but they forgot to sign the paper so it
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  never became official. And so they had to go
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  back in and it was like, oh, this is easy. Oh,
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  that's so weird. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, so they
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  were for a month or two, they were calling them
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  something else. Yeah. And neglecting their paperwork.
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  Isn't that crazy? An American way. Ohayan way.
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  Ohayan way. Were they in Ohio at the time? Oh
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  yeah. Okay. Makes sense. Makes sense. Greater
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  Cleveland area. But yeah, so even that, like,
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  Iscariot means a person who betrays another.
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  That's interesting. A traitor. I didn't know
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  that. Yeah, so like, Iscariot's not his last
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  name. It is his surname, which is a little different,
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  right? Is it? I think so I think it's one of
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  those it makes sense because it's basically just
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  a Qualifier to the person's first name, right?
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  Which is something they're known for it's like
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  we'll give them another thing that they're known
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  for right And I think it's kind of interesting
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  for me when I think about that and this is total
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  Paul speculation But you look at how big these
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  kingdoms had have gotten where before it's like,
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  oh everyone's kind of within their own town sure,
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  but now with roadways in just people being more
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  connected to each other. I mean, the other thing,
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  it's funny. It's like for me, at least this was
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  like, oh, well, like that makes sense. Like people
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  had vacations and traveled back in that time,
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  too. Right. It obviously looked a little bit
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  different. But like the Romans were known for
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  going on holidays and traveling to different
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  countries. Yeah, they kind of started that in
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  the modern world. Yeah. Which is like it's a
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  weird idea to think about that leisure. We think
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  like, oh, only we do that. Right. It's like,
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  oh, no, people have been doing this for. a long
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  time, and with how accessible things had become,
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  it makes sense. That's why we think about the
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  Romans all the time. Yeah. I love the Holy Roman
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  Empire. But yeah, so a surname... But so it makes
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  sense where it's like this idea of a surname
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  is a response to being more people in an area.
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  Right. When it's like we've never had this problem
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  before, but now we have to figure out what to
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  do with it. Yeah. So like a definition would
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  be basically a last name. synonymous with family
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  name and last name. But the origins often have
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  roots in occupations, places and names. And then
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  in some cultures, surnames are placed at the
• 20:00
  beginning of a person's name while in others
• 20:02
  they're at the end. So like, I think in some
• 20:05
  ways we've evolved into a last name is just something
• 20:09
  that you kind of inherit through your family.
• 20:14
  But, or you take it on. Cause that is something
• 20:16
  like, I feel like not until I was older did I
• 20:18
  realize like, Oh, I actually can just go change
• 20:21
  my names. Yeah. Like any of them. Which is crazy
• 20:24
  to think about. Yeah. Like the same way I can
• 20:26
  change my address. Yeah. Except that like, I
• 20:28
  do have to like, I can't just change my, I can't
• 20:31
  just change, I have to like go live there. Unlike
• 20:32
  people know how you've got to go do some paperwork.
• 20:35
  That's true. But I also have to like go and live
• 20:38
  there. Yeah, I can't just change my address Well,
• 20:41
  you can just Just make it that way for a long
• 20:45
  time. I guess you could do like a PO box or something
• 20:47
  That's true, but there has to be like some I
• 20:49
  don't know but anyways, yeah, so so Matthew 10
• 20:54
  for Simon Simon the zealot and Judas is scary
• 20:58
  at the one who betrayed him. That's your verse
• 21:01
  for the week. That's your verse for there There
• 21:03
  will be a quiz So that is interesting because
• 21:06
  then Simon whose surname is Xylotes is interesting
• 21:14
  because it still doesn't really answer the question.
• 21:17
  Did it come before or after? Like is it something
• 21:19
  that he was known by or was his family known
• 21:22
  as Zealots? Was he from a family of Zealots?
• 21:25
  Which is kind of interesting or was he the first
• 21:27
  one and it kind of came that. But if you think
• 21:30
  about historically in that area, you just came
• 21:34
  through like 400 years of Jewish zealots. Like
• 21:38
  the Maccabee family. Like there's all these things
• 21:43
  happening in those 400 years leading up to the
• 21:46
  birth of Jesus that I could see him coming from
• 21:49
  a family of zealots. Yeah, that's actually really
• 21:52
  cool. But also known as a zealot. Yeah. So like
• 21:55
  all those things could be true. Yeah. I like
• 21:59
  that. Yeah. And especially as a martyr. all of
• 22:03
  the disciples that were martyred could be called
• 22:07
  zealots. However, a zealot in that time would
• 22:12
  have been more of what the Jewish people told
• 22:17
  the Romans they should be afraid of, which is
• 22:19
  they're gonna overthrow your government now.
• 22:22
  And that's not what they were doing. They were
• 22:25
  saying, no, we're gonna overthrow your government.
• 22:27
  Now, on the back end, the spiritual side. That's
• 22:31
  the part we care about. Yeah, they're gonna fight
• 22:34
  with not flesh and blood. And the way they showed
• 22:38
  that was being martyred. Going like, hey, the
• 22:41
  flesh and blood, we don't care about that. Yeah,
• 22:44
  and I think the other thing, we've talked about
• 22:46
  this a few times too, where it's like how much
• 22:48
  that didn't matter to them. And as far as like
• 22:52
  crucifixion was the absolute... worst possible
• 22:55
  way to die for a human. And I think even today
• 22:58
  it's still considered one of the most horrible
• 22:59
  ways of dying. And it was humiliating. It was,
• 23:03
  yeah. Because it was a false messiah's death.
• 23:05
  Yeah, and I think we talked about this in the
• 23:07
  last episode. Or a failed zealot's death. It
• 23:11
  could be both. Yeah, that's interesting. Where
• 23:15
  it's like, even when we look at the problem that...
• 23:18
  that people at that time had with Jesus versus
• 23:21
  our problem with him, and I'm pretty sure I talked
• 23:23
  about this in the last episode, is for them,
• 23:25
  they're like, why would you wanna worship a crucified
• 23:28
  God? And for us, we're like, why would we believe
• 23:31
  in someone we think is lying? And they're like,
• 23:34
  no, no, no, no, he was humiliated, why would
• 23:35
  you wanna follow that? And for them, it's like,
• 23:39
  well, so they also, because Simon was crucified
• 23:42
  as well. And that's a word that keeps getting
• 23:44
  used for a lot of these martyrs deaths. And it's
• 23:47
  like, it becomes just kind of like, yep, and
• 23:49
  he was crucified. And it's like, this is a horrible
• 23:51
  death that a lot of them went through. Yeah,
• 23:55
  but it also is like an imitation element. It
• 23:58
  also kind of gives historical validity to the
• 24:01
  timeframe where it was under the Roman rule.
• 24:04
  It was within this specific timeframe. The thing
• 24:07
  that's tough about that is, you know, Simon,
• 24:09
  because it says that later, it was probably in
• 24:13
  the Britain area where you were studying myths.
• 24:18
  Like, and this is where Simon the Zealot. Yeah.
• 24:21
  So if he's crucified in 74 AD, then he lived
• 24:28
  past seeing Jerusalem fall. Yeah, that's true.
• 24:31
  Which is also an interesting thing. I do want
• 24:33
  us to talk about that at some point. Yeah, we
• 24:35
  should. Yeah. But not now. No. So your verse
• 24:37
  for today, Matthew 10 -4. Matthew 10 -4. Simon
• 24:40
  the Zealot. And Judas Iscariot, the one who betrayed
• 24:43
  him. Three, two, one. All right, music time.
• 24:48
  Music time. Music in the morning. Music in the
• 24:51
  morning with Stephen and Paul. M -m -m -m -music.
• 24:56
  M -m -m -m -music. Which is, it's funny because
• 24:58
  it's like an early Saturday morning music. How
• 24:59
  many M's do you say before you say music? M -m
• 25:02
  -m -m -music. Do like a joke stutter, but then
• 25:18
  you actually start to stutter and you can't escape
• 25:21
  it, you know Paul I can't say that I've ever
• 25:23
  done that Yes, that is what happened It's because
• 25:37
  you were counting and you went past your count.
• 25:40
  You're like, oh no. How do I get off this interstate?
• 25:45
  All right, so I feel like this is gonna just
• 25:48
  become a classic fashion. Paul's like, do you
• 25:53
  have something? I'm like, yeah, I have something.
• 25:55
  Do you have something? No, I don't have anything.
• 25:58
  Okay, well, I have something, but I don't wanna
• 26:02
  play. I don't want to play anything. You play.
• 26:04
  So you play. Yeah. And I also just have a bunch
• 26:07
  of lyrics. Yeah. That like kind of rhyme. I love
• 26:11
  it. So yeah. Which is kind of fun because it's
• 26:14
  like we don't know what each other is going to
• 26:17
  do. Nope. So this will be like full reaction.
• 26:21
  Yeah. But like I'm also not coming up with words.
• 26:24
  I'm just going to come up with how they land
• 26:26
  in your. Yeah that's fair. How you're playing.
• 26:28
  And I don't even know what I'm going to play
• 26:29
  yet. That's great. But we're going to keep it
• 26:31
  chill. and smooth. Yeah, so don't speed it up.
• 26:37
  No, I'll try not to. Hey, let's leave some of
• 26:39
  those classic Paul turnarounds out. It's just
• 26:44
  me experimenting, but it never works. Yeah, you're
• 26:47
  like continuing writing. Nah. Too much? Who's
• 26:55
  the banana pancakes guy? Oh, Jack Johnson? Yeah,
• 27:00
  let's not go Jack Johnson. That's the vibe you're
• 27:28
  feeling. It is the vibe. No, because I don't
• 27:30
  want to, like, lean into, like, an island accent.
• 27:36
  Let's switch gears. Go very Ohio. Ohio Acoustic.
• 27:40
  Ohio Acoustic? Not Worship Acoustic. I'll just
• 27:43
  go Paul Acoustic. Okay. We'll make it minor.
• 27:46
  You do the same thing, but just... I'm good with
• 27:49
  that. Make it a minor. I actually have no idea.
• 27:56
  Feel like that's still worshipy. Yeah, don't
• 27:58
  yeah. It's strumming is like yeah when you're
• 28:01
  strumming it's worship music. It is. I can get
• 28:09
  with this. Okay. You got to figure out where
• 28:12
  you're gonna land though because you're doing
• 28:13
  a setup right now. Yeah. I like that. I don't
• 28:29
  like that. All right, so do something like looping.
• 28:35
  Like something that's like a three or four chord
• 28:36
  loop. I'll just walk it up. This is like what
• 28:48
  producers do in the studio without a live person.
• 28:51
  I'm just doing it with Paul. Paul is my computer.
• 28:56
  I am the computer. resolve there so like yeah
• 29:08
  and then do a fourth back to the yeah yeah do
• 29:20
  that i might try and just keep this low yeah
• 29:26
  do it Although I do always, like, get into it
• 29:29
  and then surprise octave jump. You can't help
• 29:31
  yourself. And I'll be like, it's turn around
• 29:33
  time. It's turn around time. Alright, here we
• 29:37
  go. Geography, archaeology. Ancient beasts and
• 29:56
  other scary fiends Jesus came and overcame the
• 30:00
  grave He preached to the sons of God and Tartarus
• 30:07
  Broke through the barriers, defeated death Resurrection
• 30:11
  life, disciples spread Holy Spirit rest upon
• 30:15
  their head And then they died Because of the
• 30:21
  one they loved We honor those who came before.
• 30:39
  We honor those who came before. We honor those
• 30:48
  who came before. Constantine ruined everything
• 30:58
  Augustine supernatural beads Apollyon in the
• 31:03
  bottomless pit Enoch won, angels threw a fit
• 31:11
  Throne in Pergamum, golden cherubim Don't touch
• 31:15
  the tree, just be who you were meant to be On
• 31:22
  martyr's row, we honor those who came before.
• 31:28
  On martyr's row, on martyr's row. On martyr's
• 31:37
  row, we honor those who came before. On martyr's
• 31:43
  row, on martyr's row. Augustine's supernatural
• 31:54
  beings Apollyon in the bottomless pit On martyrs'
• 32:04
  row Honor those who came before On martyrs' row
• 32:11
  On martyrs' row Paul have a fun one for you today.
• 32:22
  Oh Since we're recording this in the morning.
• 32:25
  Yeah, and Serial is a great way to start the
• 32:29
  day. So true Did I ever tell you I was a serial
• 32:32
  enthusiast for a long time? like You were consistently
• 32:38
  enthusiastic. Yeah, everybody who's my brother
• 32:41
  and I moved into our first apartment together.
• 32:43
  Okay, and It was our first time that we were
• 32:46
  like we can buy whatever we want So you did like
• 32:49
  serial testing? We just bought cereal. That's
• 32:55
  funny. At one point my brother had this, you
• 32:58
  know like those dome lights? Yeah. He took one
• 33:02
  of those, cleaned it, and filled it with cereal.
• 33:04
  Gosh. It was a lot of cereal. Wow. Just, that's
• 33:09
  a good way to waste a whole day. Yeah, and then
• 33:11
  we realized, oh, this is why we need to eat other
• 33:14
  things. Oh, this is why our mom did what she
• 33:17
  did. Because this will kill us. But anyway, cereal.
• 33:23
  It's funny, though, because my older brother,
• 33:26
  like I did as well, but we both moved out when
• 33:28
  we were 18 and at some point moved back in with
• 33:30
  our parents and then, but he's eight years older
• 33:33
  than me. It's the most punk rock thing you can
• 33:35
  do. I know it's a very Florida thing. I guess
• 33:38
  a Midwest thing, too I don't need you mom and
• 33:41
  dad. Hey mom and dad Can I come back and live
• 33:45
  with you just for a minute? It wasn't long, but
• 33:48
  But yet no hit so I went to his first apartment
• 33:54
  and I opened the pantry and it was just Florida
• 33:57
  ceiling in the pantry hungry Howie's boxes but
• 34:02
  But there was no pizza in them. Yeah, it's just
• 34:05
  empty boxes. This is trophies. But the truth
• 34:08
  is, is like when you live in an apartment, like
• 34:10
  taking a box like that, you can't like, you don't
• 34:12
  want to shove those into the trash can, trash
• 34:14
  bag, because it takes the whole trash bag. And
• 34:17
  you're like, I'm not going to bring just one
• 34:18
  to the dump. The dumpster. Yeah. So then eventually
• 34:21
  you bring none of them and they just fill up
• 34:23
  an entire pantry. There's literally nothing else
• 34:25
  in the pantry. It was just floor -to -ceiling
• 34:28
  hungry house boxes. Like, well, I know what kind
• 34:30
  of pizza you like or what's the cheapest. You're
• 34:33
  right. That's the answer. Yeah, that's true.
• 34:36
  Or both, I guess. But Paul, I have a question
• 34:38
  for you. Yeah, please. We've been talking a lot
• 34:40
  about Britain today. Have we? I was about to
• 34:45
  genuinely answer you. I love it. Yeah, our martyr
• 34:50
  today, Simon. Yeah. The zealot. Zylotees. Zylotees.
• 34:56
  He was crucified in Britain. Yeah. According
• 35:00
  to John Fox. I was about to say John Hancock.
• 35:06
  Not John Hancock. Wasn't he a founding father?
• 35:10
  Yeah. Every time I hear that name, I think of
• 35:14
  Tommy Boy. Okay, he takes the test like John
• 35:17
  Hancock. It's Herbie Children don't watch that
• 35:25
  movie don't But uh, yeah, so Britain and then
• 35:30
  you went to Britain. Yeah, and I keep saying
• 35:33
  Britain But like it makes it sound more like
• 35:36
  regal. I know So I feel like in light of that
• 35:39
  because it's the morning. Mm -hmm And I do love
• 35:43
  cereal I feel like I need to ask this question
• 35:45
  in a British accent. Okay, please. But like a
• 35:49
  British accent of a British person who doesn't
• 35:51
  exist. So just an American British accent. An
• 35:55
  American British accent of a person who's trying
• 35:58
  to write a film about cereal being made in Britain.
• 36:04
  Okay. Are you guys with me? Yes. I said, are
• 36:09
  you guys? Like, there's a bunch of people here.
• 36:12
  But I can't hear you! Are you ready, kids? Okay,
• 36:20
  so my question, Paul. What is the myth of the
• 36:27
  rainbow? What I love about that is... Because
• 36:36
  it's a Lucky Charms reference. I know it is.
• 36:39
  Which is Irish. That's the action I was doing.
• 36:46
  Our gateway to it. We're just trying to make
• 36:48
  a bunch of British people upset. Colonizing.
• 36:52
  Yeah, well, it's great. You know St. Patrick's
• 36:54
  Day. That's a thing. That is a thing. Yeah, that
• 36:57
  happens all around the world. It's a real thing.
• 37:01
  So Paul, what's the myth of the rainbow? Well,
• 37:04
  gather round. Gather round. Now this isn't a
• 37:10
  fairy tale. No, this is myth. This is myth. Which
• 37:14
  is different. Very different. If you don't believe
• 37:16
  me, go back two episodes. Yeah, two episodes.
• 37:20
  This is our myth series. Yeah. Which might just
• 37:22
  be what the podcast is. Which is funny, because
• 37:24
  I think I made a joke about us doing like a sermon
• 37:27
  series. about myths when it's like, this is a
• 37:29
  50 part series on it. And it's just becoming
• 37:32
  that. This was supposed to be one episode. And
• 37:36
  then it was supposed to be two episodes. Then
• 37:39
  it was supposed to be a trilogy. And then we're
• 37:40
  like, no. It's probably at least two more. At
• 37:43
  least. Yeah. Which hopefully you're here for
• 37:46
  it because we are. Yeah. There's a lot to unpack.
• 37:49
  Well, and I think one of the main residuals or
• 37:54
  something that is happening because of the way
• 37:57
  we're approaching the podcast is like it's addressing
• 37:59
  all of the things that are exterior. Yeah. A
• 38:02
  little bit to the biblical conversation. Absolutely.
• 38:05
  Because I feel like that's what I always did
• 38:09
  and that's what like people always... asked questions
• 38:12
  or I feel like I was part of conversations that
• 38:13
  were like, okay, but what about this? Like consider
• 38:16
  this, which is the philosophical question. So
• 38:18
  it's like, here's the biblical narrative. Here's
• 38:21
  the center line. But what do we do with this
• 38:25
  over here? What do we do with this over here?
• 38:27
  How do we bring it back to the middle line? How
• 38:29
  does everything push against, you know? And honestly
• 38:33
  make and bolster up and build up the true myth.
• 38:38
  Yeah, and I think that's so important for, so
• 38:43
  it's funny, it's funny I'm saying this this far
• 38:46
  into the recording as well, into our episodes.
• 38:49
  This is funny, I'm already laughing. That's good.
• 38:53
  Hysterical. Well it's like, so this is episode
• 38:56
  16? I think so. We keep saying that, so regardless,
• 39:00
  this has to be 16. Yeah. Uh oh. We'll see. I
• 39:05
  like it better if we're wrong. As we're like
• 39:07
  pushing it out, it's like, oh wait, this was
• 39:09
  supposed to be 16. Oh no. So if this is 16B,
• 39:13
  it's because we forgot. We should do that. There's
• 39:17
  no 17, it's just 16B. Or no. 16 is just 16B.
• 39:23
  Oh yeah, let's do that. This is like 15, 16B,
• 39:26
  17. People will be like, where's 16A? There's
• 39:28
  an asterisk on the end of it. It's a myth. It's
• 39:31
  a myth. Did it ever really exist? It was pre
• 39:35
  this. But so for the podcast, it's funny because
• 39:38
  it's called Martyrs Row. Right. And it's funny
• 39:41
  because we don't spend a ton of time talking
• 39:43
  about martyrs. Sometimes. We do sometimes. Yeah.
• 39:46
  And it's funny. It's like, well, in my head,
• 39:48
  it was very clear. That's what we were doing
• 39:51
  like we know why we were doing though And it's
• 39:53
  a lot of people that hasn't so I'm like, let
• 39:55
  me just make it clear here at least the way I
• 39:58
  see it Yeah, because you might have a different
• 40:00
  approach to it as well. I don't think we've talked
• 40:02
  about this I don't think we have I like that
• 40:03
  it is for me. It's like well, I think it's it's
• 40:06
  kind of like the Focus for all of us. It's like
• 40:09
  well, let's look at a martyr and we start that
• 40:12
  by talking about one. And by all of us, you mean
• 40:14
  all of us here at Martyrs Row? All of us here
• 40:16
  at Martyrs Row. Exactly. And it's like, okay,
• 40:21
  so let's talk about that and see the zeal they
• 40:24
  had for their faith and the burning passion that
• 40:27
  they had to unwaveringly stand next to it or
• 40:32
  stand by their faith. And so let's center ourselves
• 40:36
  first by looking at that. Right. And then now,
• 40:38
  let's bring up the questions and the frameworks
• 40:40
  that can cause us to falter or fail. And it's
• 40:43
  like, no, let's realign so that way we can stand
• 40:46
  against our faith in the same way. That's how
• 40:49
  I view it. And it's made so much sense to me.
• 40:52
  But as a whole, each podcast is somewhat a practice
• 40:56
  in apologetics. That makes sense. That's how
• 40:59
  I like to view it. And also because a lot of
• 41:02
  these questions that we talk about, I hear this...
• 41:04
  often from a lot of Christians where they're
• 41:07
  like, oh, the idea of aliens or the idea of the
• 41:12
  flood or some kind of evolutionary debate, some
• 41:15
  kind of scientific, it's like that edge of the
• 41:17
  earth that shakes my faith. And it's like, why?
• 41:20
  That shouldn't. Regardless of the alien ones,
• 41:24
  if there are aliens or there aren't aliens, if
• 41:26
  the Book of Enoch is true or it's not true, that
• 41:29
  really shouldn't shake your faith at all if we
• 41:31
  have a right framework of what the Bible says.
• 41:34
  Yeah, that's true. And so I think that's why
• 41:36
  these questions that we talk about are so important.
• 41:39
  Because it's like, well, let's not just say,
• 41:42
  I don't know, and just ignore it, and just go
• 41:44
  right back to reading the Bible, ignoring the
• 41:46
  parts that are weird. It's like, no, let's actually
• 41:48
  see how it fits in, if it fits in, and where
• 41:51
  it fits. Yeah, and I think that the weird things
• 41:55
  and the unusual things are the most interesting
• 41:58
  things. Absolutely. And I think it's a mistake
• 42:00
  for us to decide that the Bible is just going
• 42:03
  to be the simple boring things. Yeah. And all
• 42:06
  the weird things will leave that up to people
• 42:08
  writing books and movies and like all the other
• 42:12
  stuff that's happening in the world. Because
• 42:13
  then as a Christian, you don't really have a
• 42:16
  ton of framework for things that are happening
• 42:18
  in the world that are weird and strange. Yeah.
• 42:21
  You just kind of go that that doesn't really
• 42:22
  exist until you encounter it and then you don't
• 42:25
  have a framework for it. Yeah. Because you've
• 42:27
  ignored it in the Bible. And most of that stuff
• 42:30
  is in there. So like, the Bible actually gives
• 42:33
  us framework for all the weird and scary things
• 42:36
  that we can encounter in the world. It already
• 42:38
  gives us the framework for it. But if we shy
• 42:41
  away from it in our study, we have to figure
• 42:43
  it out again ourselves. Yeah, it can shake our
• 42:45
  faith because we don't realize it's there. Right?
• 42:48
  So like that is, that is kind of a key point.
• 42:51
  Yeah. So the myth of the rainbow. The myth of
• 42:54
  the rainbow. What is the myth of the rainbow?
• 43:02
  That's like That's like the key to the Irish
• 43:06
  accent start as high as you can then go down
• 43:12
  And if anyone wonders ethically I am a little
• 43:20
  bit Irish let's not talk about ethics ethics
• 43:24
  Ethnic is notice it is I Was making a joke what
• 43:30
  she's speaking of ethics okay leads into the
• 43:33
  myth of the rainbow. Oh boy. Yeah, oh boy Spit
• 43:38
  take Mickey Mouse. I was like what voice is that?
• 43:47
  If I did it better, you'd pick it up. I think
• 43:50
  I did it pretty good in my head. I think so.
• 43:52
  Oh boy! You have to like break up in the middle
• 43:56
  of it. Just think about corporate greed as you
• 44:01
  do it. That's a question we should answer. Was
• 44:06
  Mickey Mouse a Freemason? They'll never sponsor
• 44:10
  us now. I don't know if I want to be sponsored
• 44:13
  by Disney. I don't think I do either. Although,
• 44:18
  we don't want them against us, I guess. Well,
• 44:22
  Martyrs Row. Welcome to Martyrs Row, where Disney
• 44:27
  is against us. That also includes - That would
• 44:31
  be such a flex. It's like Comcast, ESPN. Is Comcast
• 44:37
  still a thing? Isn't that like the conglomerate?
• 44:39
  I think it is. It's like a big thing now. Yeah.
• 44:41
  I haven't heard that name in a while. I think
• 44:42
  they're trying to stop talking about that. Yeah.
• 44:45
  The myth of the rainbow. The myth of the rainbow.
• 44:48
  Well, so it's funny. It's like, okay, so where
• 44:51
  did the rainbow come from? I don't know, Paul.
• 44:53
  And what does it represent? Who? Who? What? Where?
• 44:58
  Why? How? Rainbow? Rainbow. Rainbow is fun to
• 45:04
  say. And it's interesting, so we look at like
• 45:05
  the Bilbo account. Taste the rainbow. Taste it.
• 45:09
  I actually don't know - That's Skittles. Off
• 45:11
  the top of my head, if any other culture has
• 45:14
  a rainbow myth. Skittles, we're ready for you
• 45:16
  to sponsor us. I'll take a Skittles sponsorship.
• 45:20
  We will eat Skittles every episode. In fact,
• 45:25
  we'll just put a dispenser right here. The official
• 45:26
  candy of Marger's Row with Skittles. Every time
• 45:31
  we say rainbow, we have to eat one. I would say
• 45:36
  it a lot. Marger's Row officially sponsored by
• 45:38
  Skittles. And now we need a dentist. Oh yeah,
• 45:41
  good point. We can make that local. That'd be
• 45:44
  sweet. That can be a regional spot. Cold Gate
• 45:45
  maybe. Cold Gate. I'm an Arm and Hammer, guys.
• 45:49
  Was this 1950? Yeah. Yeah. Outer Cleveland area.
• 45:56
  The greater Cleveland. So rainbows, what, when,
• 46:01
  where, why? Yeah, so I don't actually know if
• 46:04
  another culture has like a rainbow myth. OK.
• 46:07
  Off the top of my head. I actually didn't look
• 46:09
  into that at all. Good. I'm glad I asked that
• 46:11
  question. Which is more fun. Yeah. But I do know
• 46:14
  the biblical account. OK. Which most of us hopefully
• 46:17
  do. And we look at like, okay, so what does it
• 46:21
  represent? It was interesting is when we look
• 46:22
  at like how a rainbow is like how it happens
• 46:26
  Yeah, yeah, it takes some rain. It does and it's
• 46:29
  funny because according to the Bible Mm -hmm.
• 46:31
  It had never rained up into the flood. Yeah,
• 46:34
  and so there had been no rainbow Yeah, which
• 46:37
  is a weird idea. Yeah, it's one of those things
• 46:39
  that it's like that's again going back to the
• 46:41
  weird So like that's weird. Yeah, how do crops
• 46:43
  grow? Yeah, and it's like they just out here
• 46:45
  watering every blade of grass. With what? Did
• 46:48
  they have water hoses? Yeah. You know what I
• 46:53
  mean? It's like, that's a weird idea. Yeah. But
• 46:55
  I guess a lot of ancient cultures, they would
• 46:57
  use like freshwater springs and next to the rivers.
• 47:01
  And that's usually where they were nearby. They
• 47:02
  would feed it into the crops. Yeah. For like
• 47:04
  irrigation and stuff. Right. Yeah. Which like,
• 47:06
  okay, that makes sense. It does. And it would
• 47:07
  also make sense because, I mean, we see in like
• 47:10
  the garden where there was a mist that... watered
• 47:14
  all the plants and everything. But we also know
• 47:17
  it's like, yeah, we were placed here as gardeners
• 47:20
  originally to take care of the earth. And it's
• 47:22
  like, well, it would make sense that they would
• 47:24
  irrigate and take care of things that way, because
• 47:26
  that's one of the sole reasons that we were here.
• 47:29
  Yeah. And it's potentially less desert area originally.
• 47:35
  Right? Yeah. I mean, if you're next to four rivers.
• 47:40
  Yeah. Not the barbecue place. Not the barbecue
• 47:42
  place. But that's actually where they got their
• 47:45
  name, by the way. Oh, really? Yeah, it's a biblical
• 47:46
  reference. That's interesting. Yeah. Four rivers
• 47:51
  sponsor us. Bold claim. I know. But we look at
• 47:55
  it, it's like, okay, so the rainbow came after
• 47:57
  the flood. Right. And God said, that's a sign,
• 48:00
  a promise to you that I will never flood the
• 48:02
  whole earth again. Right. Just some of it. Just
• 48:05
  some of it. Yeah, but it is interesting though
• 48:08
  because when you say that like rain is it's almost
• 48:10
  this It's like this reminder in some ways. It's
• 48:14
  a little bit of a it's not really a threat because
• 48:16
  you have a rainbow that comes after Yeah, but
• 48:18
  it is a little bit of a reminder that like once
• 48:21
  there was a flood right, but Don't worry the
• 48:24
  rain is gonna stop. Yeah, that's what's so interesting.
• 48:27
  Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's fascinating as well because
• 48:30
  That it's again that term whole world yeah, and
• 48:35
  this is not the direction that we're headed with
• 48:37
  it but but you think about that it's like okay
• 48:40
  is it when it talks about whole world is it talking
• 48:42
  about geographically the whole world right or
• 48:46
  all the people within it because we see such
• 48:49
  a literary device that's used often is the world
• 48:53
  refers to the people that aren't christians or
• 48:56
  the people that aren't israelites sure yeah and
• 48:59
  so it's like well that's actually a really interesting
• 49:00
  idea then if we're gonna attach that wordplay
• 49:04
  to it as well yeah um and so when we see this
• 49:07
  like so when god says well we see there are floods
• 49:10
  that happen but it doesn't take out the whole
• 49:12
  world all the people yeah Yeah, like tsunamis
• 49:16
  and like yeah different cataclysms that that
• 49:19
  are still actively happening, right? But it's
• 49:21
  not a whole world or even a whole Culture. Yeah,
• 49:25
  or a whole group of people being wiped out. Yeah.
• 49:28
  Yeah, and it's one of those where It's it's an
• 49:31
  interesting question as well because in this
• 49:33
  we're been talking about the setup is like what
• 49:35
  are the myths that we see across cultures and
• 49:38
  so if like myths happen, or sorry, myths do happen
• 49:42
  everywhere. Myths happen. But myths happen. That's
• 49:44
  a shirt. Myths happened. Yeah. But it's like,
• 49:50
  okay, so floods happen. Right. Pretty much everywhere.
• 49:54
  Yeah. But why do we see flood myths, like massive
• 50:01
  flood myths across All cultures. Yeah, in ancient
• 50:05
  cultures. In ancient cultures. Because that brings
• 50:08
  up an interesting idea. Yeah, because part of
• 50:10
  the myth conversation that we're having is where
• 50:13
  is there a true story, a true through line? Yeah.
• 50:17
  And if that is true, typically what happens is
• 50:21
  there are a bunch of other pieces of evidence.
• 50:26
  that point to the truth of that story or of that
• 50:30
  claim. So the other pieces of evidence when you're
• 50:33
  looking at ancient texts and storylines, the
• 50:37
  best way to to find other evidence for those
• 50:40
  claims is to look across other ancient stories
• 50:44
  around the same time and figure out if everybody
• 50:47
  else is also saying a similar thing. Yeah. And
• 50:50
  that's the interesting thing is that we do see
• 50:52
  that. Yeah. Which is really cool. Yeah. Because
• 50:54
  they don't have the Internet. Right. They don't
• 50:57
  have phones that we know of. Yeah. And it true
• 51:01
  that that's definitely a different episode. That
• 51:05
  is ancient ways of communication. Oh, yeah, that's
• 51:08
  through frequency and sound transfer. The pyramids.
• 51:12
  Oh, oh, did I say it? But, you know, so they
• 51:17
  do exist for us. They do exist. They are a real
• 51:20
  thing. You can see them. The pyramids. Can you?
• 51:23
  Oh, or have you seen the real ones? Or What's
• 51:26
  Underneath. I do every song except the one. There
• 51:33
  we go. Bambi on theme for today. Ancient Myths.
• 51:48
  I just laughed myself. I know. Paul's losing
• 51:52
  himself. Yeah. Well, yeah, so it's like. We can
• 51:56
  expect to see floods Cultures ancient cultures
• 52:00
  experiencing floods. Yeah, so if there's a flood
• 52:02
  in the Bible details in their stories, right?
• 52:04
  That's where it's like eye raising eyebrow raising
• 52:08
  Did that feel good no like when you like scratch
• 52:17
  I can't my eyebrows don't work independently
• 52:21
  That's awesome. So other flood myths Yes. So
• 52:27
  I want to read you some. Okay. But yes, I'm going
• 52:31
  to read you some. Okay. And I just. I want you
• 52:34
  to sit back and enjoy the mints. Okay. I wish
• 52:37
  I did have a recliner this morning. That actually
• 52:38
  would be nice. We'd fall asleep so fast. This
• 52:40
  morning? We would. Just the end of the... We'd
• 52:43
  just slowly fall asleep. In the last 15 minutes.
• 52:46
  Then we wake up. Anyway. See you next time. See
• 52:50
  you next time. Three, two... We fall asleep to
• 52:55
  it. So the biblical flood. Yeah, let's start
• 53:00
  there. Which is Noah. Yes. Avi. Right. Well Noah
• 53:03
  didn't start the flood. No, he didn't, but he
• 53:05
  was in it. He didn't start the flood, but he
• 53:10
  was riding it through on a wooden ark. That should
• 53:15
  have been our song. That's good. So God sends
• 53:21
  a flood due to wickedness. Okay. Noah builds
• 53:25
  an ark, instructed by God. Ark rests in the mountains
• 53:28
  of Ararat. And then Noah sends birds to find
• 53:32
  dry land. That's kind of our bullet point. Where's
• 53:36
  that? Is that in... I actually don't know. Turkey.
• 53:42
  Northern Turkey. Yeah, because there's a whole
• 53:46
  thing with mountains of Ararat where the ark
• 53:52
  landed. Yeah, right? Because haven't they supposedly
• 53:55
  found... It's resting place. Yeah, outline of
• 53:59
  the supposedly. Yeah. Yeah. But I haven't seen
• 54:02
  it. No, I've seen a picture. Yeah. They're like,
• 54:06
  look at that outline. And I've seen many videos,
• 54:08
  but yeah, I haven't been there. Well, if other
• 54:10
  people like it proves the flies like, no, it
• 54:12
  doesn't prove. No, it proves that a boat was
• 54:15
  built. Yeah. And someone left a big boat that
• 54:18
  was just there. Yeah. But it does. It is interesting,
• 54:21
  though, when you look at that and like it. What's
• 54:24
  weird to me about that type of thing is how much
• 54:27
  stuff is actually probably in existence and ready
• 54:32
  for us to find that proves some of these ancient
• 54:36
  myths true that we just haven't found yet. Or
• 54:41
  people have found them and hid them, or they
• 54:45
  found them, didn't tell anybody about it, or
• 54:47
  didn't know what it was. Which is another episode
• 54:49
  for sure. Yeah, I mean, you even think about
• 54:50
  the Dead Sea Scrolls. Like those are found by
• 54:53
  shepherds. Yeah, and they've been hidden for...
• 54:56
  a long time for centuries and literally the guy
• 54:58
  was like they took some of the scrolls and they
• 55:00
  just sold them to a market yeah and then someone
• 55:03
  was like wait this is this is uh where did you
• 55:08
  get this from this is significant this is a massive
• 55:13
  finding archaeological that's what we all hope
• 55:15
  would happen when we go into like a pawn shop
• 55:17
  I know. Like I just found this in my attic. This
• 55:19
  is a Monet. How did you have this? Here's one
• 55:23
  billion dollars. Yes. Yeah, it's true. But no,
• 55:28
  mountains of Ararat. So not Gobekli Tepe, but
• 55:32
  is it Tahari Tepe? Is that there? It's in northern
• 55:38
  Turkey. Oh, that's right. Because that's only
• 55:41
  it's very close. It is. It's like it's it's close
• 55:46
  enough. that you could travel to it like 20 miles
• 55:49
  away or something like that yeah it's something
• 55:50
  pretty close yeah um which is interesting because
• 55:53
  there's a whole there's a whole conversation
• 55:55
  there's a whole conversation about one of the
• 56:00
  sons of ham yeah that potentially goes there
• 56:03
  and finds ancient knowledge yes which takes us
• 56:07
  back to our boyinak too it does yeah so That's
• 56:11
  a whole other thing, but the location of it is
• 56:14
  actually pretty interesting. Yeah, so we do find
• 56:17
  Yeah, I want to say Tahari But but yeah, so what
• 56:22
  are the points of the biblical flood and I want
• 56:24
  to find that yeah Well, I mean so that's so I
• 56:28
  kind of set it up with that too So we can kind
• 56:29
  of see these are the main themes of these myths
• 56:32
  I'm kind of pulling out because obviously I can't
• 56:34
  write every single one of them out, right? That
• 56:36
  would be a very long time But kind of our main
• 56:40
  theme points from this is we have God sending
• 56:43
  a flood due to wickedness, instructed by God,
• 56:47
  Noah then builds an ark, and then the ark rests
• 56:49
  in the mountains of Ararat, and then he sends
• 56:52
  out a bird to find dry land after the flood has
• 56:54
  subsided. So those are kind of like our theme
• 56:58
  markers. It's like, okay, let's hold onto those
• 57:01
  themes, and then let's use that and go to our
• 57:05
  next one. and let's wait before we do i forgot
• 57:09
  for a second i was like let's just carry this
• 57:11
  it is so it is um oh yeah it is gobekli tepe
• 57:17
  oh okay uh yeah so gobekli tepe is in turkey
• 57:26
  um yeah about it's about 500 kilometers south
• 57:37
  of Mount Ararat. What's that in... I don't know.
• 57:42
  In freedom terms. In freedom terms. In American.
• 57:45
  In American. What is that in American? It says
• 57:48
  it takes about 157 hours to walk there. Yeah,
• 57:53
  that's... You got nothing else going on. That's
• 57:56
  significant. Yeah, it's in the south region.
• 57:59
  But yeah, so that's kind of interesting. That's
• 58:02
  fascinating. Because... Gobekli Tepe, I feel
• 58:06
  like there's one closer than that. I'm not gonna
• 58:08
  look that up. You guys can look that up. This
• 58:10
  is another episode. We'll definitely get into
• 58:11
  that. Yeah, we need to. But the interesting thing
• 58:14
  about that is that's kind of a modern looking
• 58:17
  back. Like I'm guessing that's not gonna be in
• 58:19
  one of your, in your list at all. Believe it
• 58:22
  or not, no. But Gobekli Tepe is, it's a site
• 58:28
  that they believed was in existence around 12
• 58:31
  ,000 years ago. Yeah. Which is interesting because
• 58:34
  it kind of hints to a global cataclysm where
• 58:38
  Gobekli Tepe they believe was buried. Yeah, but
• 58:43
  intentionally buried. Intentionally buried. Yeah.
• 58:45
  And it would have been buried before the flood.
• 58:48
  Right. Or a global cataclysm that is shown in
• 58:52
  the sediment in the ground above it and through
• 58:56
  it. So that is kind of interesting when we talk
• 58:59
  about like a flood. And even like not even getting
• 59:02
  into like global flood or local flood, because
• 59:06
  even if it is a local flood, that's still in
• 59:08
  Turkey. It's still pretty close. Yeah. So it's
• 59:10
  interesting that it's all in that region. Yeah.
• 59:13
  And we've talked about Turkey before in significance
• 59:15
  to Mesopotamia and Abraham. Yeah. So like Israel
• 59:22
  kind of in a lot of ways, a lot of things come
• 59:25
  out of Turkey. modern day Turkey. I mean, that's
• 59:28
  where, we're talking about the Fertile Crescent.
• 59:31
  Right. Yeah. Yeah, so it's not necessarily like,
• 59:34
  we need to do a whole episode on the significance
• 59:36
  of Turkey itself. Yeah, I think so. Because I
• 59:38
  think in the biblical narrative, we just kind
• 59:42
  of say that the landmass of Israel, modern Israel,
• 59:45
  is the most important thing. And the truth is,
• 59:50
  it is the promised land, it's the land flowing
• 59:53
  with milk and honey. But it seems to not necessarily
• 59:57
  be the starting point. Mm -hmm, but instead of
• 59:59
  the landing point Yeah, so then if if there is
• 1:00:02
  a starting point Sounds like it's Turkey Yeah,
• 1:00:06
  or at least a restarting point. That's true.
• 1:00:09
  Oh Yeah, so but some other myths let's carry
• 1:00:14
  this through Let's look around the world at other
• 1:00:18
  flood myths. Let's see who else what else people
• 1:00:20
  have to say Okay, so I'm actually gonna jump
• 1:00:22
  and we're not gonna put a time on it No. Right?
• 1:00:25
  Like a time frame on the flood. No. These are
• 1:00:28
  just... That's a different episode. That's a
• 1:00:29
  very different episode. Just the timeline of
• 1:00:32
  history in general is an episode in and of itself.
• 1:00:35
  That's true. But I'm actually gonna jump over
• 1:00:37
  here to the Greeks. Okay, Greeks. Hey Greeks.
• 1:00:42
  And this is... Hey Greeks! Paul, I think you're
• 1:00:45
  more tired in the morning than at night. I think
• 1:00:47
  it's because I'm licking this and like, I don't
• 1:00:49
  know how to say this word. Decalian and... Pira
• 1:00:54
  Greek words are hard. We're gonna go with that.
• 1:00:57
  I'm here for it. It's really like Ducaleon And
• 1:01:01
  so in this one Zeus sends a flood due to wickedness.
• 1:01:05
  Oh Interesting. Okay. Decalian and Pira. Yeah
• 1:01:09
  warned by Prometheus survive in a chest They
• 1:01:14
  land on a mount Parnassus and throw rocks that
• 1:01:18
  turn into people. Whoa. Isn't that crazy? That's
• 1:01:22
  an impressive rock throw. I know. So they're
• 1:01:24
  like, we need some people. Let's just throw some
• 1:01:25
  rocks. What mountain is it? It is Mount Parnassus.
• 1:01:32
  P -A -R -N -A -S -S -U -S. Yeah, keep talking
• 1:01:36
  about that. I'm interested in that. Yeah. So
• 1:01:38
  I'm curious to see the location of it, because
• 1:01:40
  I actually haven't looked into that. But it's
• 1:01:43
  interesting, so even when we compare these two,
• 1:01:45
  it's like, so what's the reason for the flood?
• 1:01:47
  Well, it's actually the same reason. There's
• 1:01:50
  wickedness on the earth, and the god in the story
• 1:01:53
  is like, I don't like that, let's fix this. But
• 1:01:58
  then we have someone, in this case it's actually
• 1:02:00
  in the Greek one, it's a separate individual,
• 1:02:04
  Prometheus, who's gotten in trouble a lot by
• 1:02:07
  giving humans fire and stuff. perpetually in
• 1:02:11
  trouble with the gods. But he actually tells
• 1:02:14
  these two individuals about it. It's central
• 1:02:16
  Greece. Okay, which would make sense that it's
• 1:02:18
  in their region. Right, right, right. Yeah. So,
• 1:02:23
  yeah, because everything centers around whatever
• 1:02:25
  culture it's in. Yeah, like Delphi. Says that
• 1:02:28
  Zeus sent two eagles to find the center of the
• 1:02:30
  earth. Bang, and that's it. And they say that,
• 1:02:33
  yeah. that central Greece is the center of the
• 1:02:37
  earth, which is another funny thing because...
• 1:02:38
  Just funny because we know it's America. We know
• 1:02:43
  it's Washington DC. No, but you think about it
• 1:02:48
  like... I mean, everyone mad there for a second.
• 1:02:52
  But like central, like the center of the earth
• 1:02:55
  and that mountain is in the center of Greece.
• 1:02:59
  Yeah. So like it's the center of their world.
• 1:03:02
  Yeah, that's not necessarily the world. Yeah,
• 1:03:05
  but their world it is in their world. That's
• 1:03:07
  the center which Goes back to the makes a lot
• 1:03:10
  of sense. Yeah, we go back to do drama 32, which
• 1:03:12
  we referenced a lot in this Yeah, it would make
• 1:03:15
  sense it. Oh, no, it's all about this right here,
• 1:03:17
  right? Right now cuz that's about the God who's
• 1:03:19
  over them. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. So that's
• 1:03:22
  really interesting so Now I want to jump to the
• 1:03:26
  Norse. Okay, we're staying as we know Zeus. I
• 1:03:29
  mean, that's a pretty popular. Yeah And mostly
• 1:03:31
  from Hercules. Yeah, I think you mean Honkelees.
• 1:03:37
  Honkelees? Do you remember that from the cartoon?
• 1:03:40
  Yeah, yeah. Not where I thought you were going.
• 1:03:42
  Oh no. That's awesome. So the Norse. Even weirder
• 1:03:49
  names to say. I'm here for that. Um, Burglmer
• 1:03:53
  and Wymers. Okay. Blood. Blood? That's part of
• 1:03:58
  their name? Or to their blood. That's kind of
• 1:04:01
  like, uh, it's Wymer's blood. Okay. And so the
• 1:04:04
  world is flooded with the blood of the saline
• 1:04:06
  giant. Yikes. Which we talked about in the creation
• 1:04:09
  myth where - We did. Not only was everything
• 1:04:11
  created from his body - Yeah, it was also flooded.
• 1:04:13
  It was flooded with his blood. Yeah, but that's
• 1:04:15
  kind of cool. It's kind of gross. No, I mean
• 1:04:19
  like - But yeah, this guy is really - Like the
• 1:04:21
  earth is covered in the blood. Yeah. Right of
• 1:04:24
  the one who created it which is interesting.
• 1:04:26
  Yeah, which is like or what it's created from
• 1:04:28
  biblically. We would see that as a cleansing
• 1:04:30
  Yes, that like the blood blood the blood of god
• 1:04:35
  Covered. Yeah is a is cleansing the earth. Yeah,
• 1:04:39
  right and making way for what is to come Yeah,
• 1:04:41
  which is that's an interesting point to bring
• 1:04:43
  out of it. Yeah Um for that you're like you shouldn't
• 1:04:46
  but that's no that's very interesting Um, and
• 1:04:50
  then only burgle mirror His wife survived in
• 1:04:53
  a wooden box So the both of those are wooden
• 1:04:55
  boxes. Yeah, that's weird. Isn't that interesting?
• 1:04:58
  Yeah, because what's an arc? Yeah a wooden box.
• 1:05:01
  Yeah, exactly Well, it's interesting even that
• 1:05:04
  in this one. They're like, oh his him and his
• 1:05:07
  wife survived But it's strange that they say
• 1:05:08
  only him and his wife. Yeah, so it's just one
• 1:05:11
  pair Yeah, and this is where it then jumps kind
• 1:05:13
  of to the greek is in this one it's like it's
• 1:05:16
  only these two people as well that survive yeah
• 1:05:18
  and they create people by throwing rocks but
• 1:05:20
  in this one um the two survivors throwing rocks
• 1:05:24
  they repopulate the frost giants they're just
• 1:05:28
  like yeah let's make some frost giants which
• 1:05:30
  that's one thing i find interesting about the
• 1:05:32
  the norse and a lot of their mythology is it
• 1:05:34
  revolves heavily around giants yeah that makes
• 1:05:38
  it a fascinating idea but the snow is deep up
• 1:05:40
  there yes You have to be tall to walk around.
• 1:05:45
  Well, it's like, cause they're there for their
• 1:05:48
  might and they're tall people there too. So we
• 1:05:50
  need bigger people. Yeah, true. That's a good
• 1:05:52
  point. Yeah. Like the gods need to be bigger
• 1:05:54
  than us. Yeah, cause they're huge. Yeah. Well,
• 1:05:57
  that's what we joked about that. Like, you know,
• 1:05:59
  somebody had said to me, I think they said it
• 1:06:02
  to me or I heard it somewhere, but like they
• 1:06:04
  wanted their Jesus to be a big guy. It's like,
• 1:06:09
  oh, he's... He wasn't. He's like, Jesus is yoked.
• 1:06:13
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You want him to be a
• 1:06:14
  big guy. Yeah, yeah. So what you're saying is
• 1:06:16
  you want your God to be how you want him to be.
• 1:06:19
  Yeah. Yikes. I was like, that's scary. Yeah,
• 1:06:22
  yeah, yeah. That's very scary. Yeah. How about
• 1:06:24
  just submit to God? No. All right. That's too
• 1:06:28
  much of a tangent. Too much. OK, and now I'm
• 1:06:31
  kind of jumping all over the place, and it'll
• 1:06:32
  make sense in a second why I'm jumping the way
• 1:06:34
  I'm jumping. But so far I'm getting each one
• 1:06:37
  is one couple. that emerges and they're all in
• 1:06:40
  wooden boxes yeah yeah and uh the reasons for
• 1:06:44
  the floods at least majority -wise now is because
• 1:06:47
  of wickedness yeah the funny thing is we don't
• 1:06:50
  think about the ark as a wooden box yeah but
• 1:06:52
  it is made of wood and it was sealed up yeah
• 1:06:56
  right yeah so that's the thing is like it wasn't
• 1:06:59
  meant to sail it was meant to save You know what
• 1:07:02
  I mean? Pretty good. Good alliteration. Thank
• 1:07:04
  you. I was like, this could be good. Another
• 1:07:07
  word would work better, but that, I like that.
• 1:07:08
  That's like the end of the sermon punchline.
• 1:07:11
  Your arc was not meant to sail. It was meant
• 1:07:14
  to save. Man, we're just literary. So don't leave
• 1:07:19
  where you are. Stay there. Stay there. Because
• 1:07:22
  people there, they need you. Stay planted. Yeah.
• 1:07:25
  All right, keep going. I have my sermon illustration
• 1:07:28
  for later. You're welcome. If you guys hear this.
• 1:07:32
  Let's not flesh that out too much because I need
• 1:07:34
  to write it later. Tell us later. I'll preach
• 1:07:38
  that sermon next. So I'm actually going to jump
• 1:07:40
  all the way down to, and so this isn't a specific
• 1:07:43
  Native American tribe. It's kind of a conglomerate
• 1:07:45
  of a lot of them. OK. And so the tribes that
• 1:07:49
  include. flood myths are basically all of them.
• 1:07:52
  Like to name a few, it's like the Navajo, the
• 1:07:54
  Hopi, the Cree, the Lakota, the Choctaw, the
• 1:07:57
  Cherokee, the Menominee, Haida, Seminole, et
• 1:08:03
  cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So it's like, they
• 1:08:05
  all have their own versions of this, but this
• 1:08:08
  is kind of two points that are pretty universal
• 1:08:13
  through theirs. And they're all from a similar
• 1:08:15
  landmass, so that kind of makes sense too. Yeah.
• 1:08:19
  So, the flood wipes out wicked people. That's
• 1:08:22
  how they start. And it's like, nice. There's
• 1:08:25
  a constant theme happening here. That's a good
• 1:08:26
  way to start a song. Flood wipes out wicked people.
• 1:08:31
  So don't be one. Constantine ruined it. And then
• 1:08:36
  a hero survives on a raft or similar method.
• 1:08:39
  Still would. So it's like, yeah, there's some
• 1:08:41
  wooden craft that a hero or a person survives
• 1:08:46
  on. Sure. And it's interesting that even that
• 1:08:50
  they call him a hero because it's a differentiation
• 1:08:52
  with all of these It's a differentiating this
• 1:08:54
  person from the wicked people that are being
• 1:08:57
  destroyed. Yeah, that makes sense I mean even
• 1:08:59
  in even in Greek mythology Yeah, hero was a common.
• 1:09:04
  Yeah word used. Yeah. Okay, so but just one What
• 1:09:09
  do you mean? Oh, yeah, this one just it just
• 1:09:12
  specifies one. How did he make more people? And
• 1:09:14
  that's right. I didn't because all those are
• 1:09:16
  different I was like, all right. Well, I'm not
• 1:09:18
  gonna put all of them in there. Yeah, that makes
• 1:09:19
  sense. It's interesting though. Yeah, but it's
• 1:09:22
  like oh, it's so like those are those two big
• 1:09:24
  points that we see This flood takes out wicked
• 1:09:27
  people and then someone survives on something
• 1:09:29
  wouldn't yeah, make sense Yeah, yeah, it's kind
• 1:09:32
  of it's kind of fascinating just that alone.
• 1:09:34
  It is yeah, but now I want to go to China, okay
• 1:09:40
  And not that far from Turkey. Yeah. Yeah, not
• 1:09:44
  too far. Yeah in this I love how I'm gonna say
• 1:09:47
  it. I apologize for my pronunciation on this
• 1:09:49
  one. The only reason I say it is because people
• 1:09:51
  still speak Chinese to this day. That's true.
• 1:09:55
  And they don't speak ancient Greek. Actually,
• 1:09:57
  more people speak Chinese than any other language.
• 1:10:00
  That's true. I think. Isn't it Indian? Well,
• 1:10:04
  but Chinese people also speak English. I guess
• 1:10:07
  they have, yeah. Some of them do. It could be
• 1:10:09
  that English is actually the pervasive language.
• 1:10:13
  Yeah, we have to look that up. Yeah. For another
• 1:10:17
  story. This is Gun Yu. Okay. So a massive flood
• 1:10:23
  threatens humanity. Yu controls the waters by
• 1:10:27
  digging channels and draining them. Yu becomes
• 1:10:31
  the first emperor of the Shia dynasty. Why is
• 1:10:36
  that funny? It's funny because it's just like,
• 1:10:38
  well that's completely different than everyone
• 1:10:40
  else. And it's funny that it - That's the myth
• 1:10:45
  that comes from China. Where they're just like,
• 1:10:48
  how can I use this for political gain? Where
• 1:10:51
  he's just like, yeah, so that flood, it was gonna
• 1:10:53
  take you guys out, but I saved you. And now I'm
• 1:10:56
  your emperor. Oh, I didn't even think about that.
• 1:10:59
  Okay, so that's a myth created by a guy. That's
• 1:11:02
  what it seems like. Gotcha. It seems like - So
• 1:11:04
  that's not even a cultural myth. That's just
• 1:11:06
  some guy who wanted power. He's like, I wanna
• 1:11:08
  be your emperor. And so - I saved you all. But
• 1:11:13
  even this is like, oh, there's a flood, a massive
• 1:11:15
  flood that threatens all of humanity. Yeah. And
• 1:11:18
  he dug a trench. He's like, I got you. OK, so
• 1:11:22
  the flood myth there is that he saves the Chinese
• 1:11:26
  people. Yeah. So the flood never actually hits
• 1:11:28
  them. That's cool. Yeah. But that still means
• 1:11:31
  that it did happen. Yes. So that's kind of wild.
• 1:11:35
  Even then they're not denying that the flood
• 1:11:36
  happened. Yeah. Or was going to happen. Right.
• 1:11:38
  But it's funny too that he digs channels and
• 1:11:40
  drains the flood. But it also means that... He's
• 1:11:43
  just like, let me work real quick here. I know,
• 1:11:45
  I know. Just real quick. Redirect this. Yeah.
• 1:11:48
  That sounds like some giant stuff. But it's funny,
• 1:11:50
  it's like, so this flood threatens all of humanity,
• 1:11:52
  but you, with a shovel, can dig enough? Well,
• 1:11:56
  he didn't say shovel. No, but I don't know what
• 1:11:58
  else they'd use. He might have just been like,
• 1:12:00
  he's like, I gotta get my back home, I'm just
• 1:12:02
  gonna... This is a massive one. He just sings
• 1:12:08
  and then trenches are dug out. Yeah. That seems
• 1:12:12
  more like it could have happened. Well, so...
• 1:12:15
  Yeah, that's true. Well, so I have a twist for
• 1:12:18
  you now. Okay. And I haven't told you this yet.
• 1:12:20
  Okay. And the reason I'm using the Chinese myth
• 1:12:24
  as a pivot point. Okay. Because every myth I've
• 1:12:27
  read to you so far comes from a descendant of
• 1:12:31
  either Shem or Japheth. Oh, all of those tribes?
• 1:12:36
  Yeah, from those two family lines. Oh, whoa.
• 1:12:41
  Yeah. And the pivot point for the Chinese one
• 1:12:45
  is because we actually don't know directly who
• 1:12:47
  they're descended from because there's these
• 1:12:49
  mixes. So they're like, it could be from... any
• 1:12:51
  three of them or a combination of the three.
• 1:12:53
  Which I find interesting, because it's like,
• 1:12:55
  oh, it is different, but it could be this conglomerate
• 1:12:58
  of all three lines combining with their own versions
• 1:13:01
  of the story. And then this guy's like, nah,
• 1:13:04
  this is what happens. Well, the thing that I
• 1:13:06
  like about that one, though, is it's a guy saying,
• 1:13:10
  all right, you guys have this flood myth. Yeah.
• 1:13:13
  And I'm going to use that in order to tell you
• 1:13:17
  why I should be in power. Yes. You know what
• 1:13:19
  I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So China's still
• 1:13:21
  here because I kept itself. Redirected the flood,
• 1:13:26
  yeah. Self? I kept it safe. I kept itself. I
• 1:13:31
  kept it pretty self. That's awesome. That's great.
• 1:13:36
  So yeah, so now what I want to do is I want to
• 1:13:39
  read the myths from the lines, the descendants
• 1:13:42
  of Ham. OK, that's wild. Yeah. Where does this
• 1:13:45
  come from, though? So this would... Can I ask
• 1:13:48
  the origin of the origin? Yeah, of course. What
• 1:13:51
  do you mean? Like as far as the... Like who says
• 1:13:54
  that it comes from Ham? Oh, I see. Yeah. And
• 1:13:57
  so it's like it doesn't come from Ham directly.
• 1:13:59
  Like we can't say that. Yeah. But it comes from
• 1:14:01
  the descendants of Ham. Okay. Because of the
• 1:14:04
  genealogies. And looking at like where they migrate
• 1:14:06
  and where they go. I see. That makes sense. We're
• 1:14:07
  just kind of following that through. So there
• 1:14:08
  is some guesswork in that. Because we know where
• 1:14:10
  they went. We know these people went here. Right.
• 1:14:12
  And so most likely that's the people that developed
• 1:14:15
  into these civilizations. Right. Yeah, that makes
• 1:14:18
  sense. So it's kind of interesting. It also makes
• 1:14:20
  sense why the flood myth carries through all
• 1:14:24
  these traditions. Yes. Because it's disseminated
• 1:14:27
  down through the sons of Noah. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:14:31
  Which is, that's wild. It's such a wild idea.
• 1:14:33
  That makes sense though. And it's funny because
• 1:14:35
  there's an interesting pivot here that happens
• 1:14:37
  when I switch to reading myths from the lines
• 1:14:40
  of Ham. Okay. And the Mesopotamian ones we're
• 1:14:43
  gonna start with. This is Gilgamesh. Okay. And
• 1:14:47
  it's so funny how it starts. So we've seen up
• 1:14:49
  until this point that - Which, this real quick
• 1:14:52
  side note. Yeah. Have we talked about the Library
• 1:14:57
  of Nineveh? We have not. Which is where Gilgamesh,
• 1:15:01
  the story of Gilgamesh is found? Yeah. Okay.
• 1:15:04
  I don't think we've talked about that at all.
• 1:15:05
  We should. We should do just an episode on Gilgamesh
• 1:15:08
  too. Yeah, but the Library of Nineveh apparently
• 1:15:11
  held a lot of ancient knowledge. Which is interesting
• 1:15:15
  in the context of Nineveh. But then also, that's
• 1:15:18
  where we found the epic of Gilgamesh. Which,
• 1:15:21
  I'm not surprised. Yeah. Sorry. No, you're good.
• 1:15:24
  That's another episode. That's good. That's a
• 1:15:26
  little like, we should write that down. Write
• 1:15:27
  that down for us, please. Library of Nineveh.
• 1:15:30
  So, up until this point, all these myths shared
• 1:15:33
  the common theme of the Flood, for the most part,
• 1:15:37
  is here to wipe out wicked people. Yeah. Or wickedness.
• 1:15:40
  Right. So, in the Mesopotamian one... Okay. Humanity
• 1:15:45
  is creating too much noise. I like that It sounds
• 1:15:49
  like my house with my kids Yeah, and so it's
• 1:15:52
  like oh, so he's like you guys are too loud Yeah,
• 1:15:54
  yeah, so the god Enki warns a man Utnapishtim
• 1:15:58
  to build a boat Lands on a mountain and releases
• 1:16:01
  birds to find dry land the gods regret the flood
• 1:16:05
  and grant him immortality. Oh wow, so it's like
• 1:16:08
  Oh, so it's like, it has nothing to do with wickedness.
• 1:16:11
  These are just like, I'm trying to take a nap.
• 1:16:12
  It's just too loud. And you guys are like, chill.
• 1:16:14
  But that might allude to like, the idea that
• 1:16:17
  making noise. It could, like something evil.
• 1:16:20
  Is synonymous to, yeah. Yeah. To evil things
• 1:16:23
  happening. Yeah. Yeah. But I just love that contrast.
• 1:16:26
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, wait, what? Too loud.
• 1:16:28
  The best way to do that is just go underwater.
• 1:16:30
  Turn it down. That's the volume button. Just
• 1:16:32
  dump water on them. That's the volume knob for
• 1:16:34
  God. It's just a flutter knob. Just water. When
• 1:16:38
  he gets a little out he just floods a little
• 1:16:39
  bit. Yeah, but then he sends a rainbow Don't
• 1:16:43
  worry. I'm not gonna flood it. It's just gonna
• 1:16:45
  rain a little bit, which is just adding like
• 1:16:46
  it down the base. Yeah So when it rains, it's
• 1:16:50
  God saying hey, just keep it down a little bit
• 1:16:52
  even a little noisy Starting to get a little
• 1:16:55
  loud go back inside Go back to your homes. Actually,
• 1:16:59
  that's a good point that it's kind of like the
• 1:17:01
  rain when the rain comes people go back And yeah,
• 1:17:03
  they separate kind of hide inside. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:17:06
  but they separate Yeah, true. And go to their
• 1:17:08
  own places. Yeah. When it rains. It's like kind
• 1:17:12
  of God being like, they don't gather anymore.
• 1:17:15
  Like, go separate. This is how myths are created.
• 1:17:18
  Yeah, exactly. Modern myths. That should be the
• 1:17:22
  name of this thing. Modern myths. Modern myths.
• 1:17:24
  No, that's like a history channel. Ah, that's
• 1:17:27
  true. Doc. Yeah, that's true. I think it actually
• 1:17:29
  is. But anyways. Is it really? Probably. It's
• 1:17:32
  gotta be. If not... Sponsored by History Channel.
• 1:17:35
  Let us know. Do we want that? Modern myths. I
• 1:17:38
  don't know. I just want the aliens guy. Ancient
• 1:17:41
  aliens? Yeah. So now looking at the Hindu myth.
• 1:17:47
  This is Manu and the fish. Vishnu disguised as
• 1:17:50
  a fish warns Manu of a flood. Manu builds a boat.
• 1:17:54
  He restarts civilization with divine help. So
• 1:18:00
  that doesn't show a cause of the flood. Mm -hmm.
• 1:18:02
  It just shows the there is a flood coming. Yeah
• 1:18:05
  Yeah, so each of these are kind of showing that
• 1:18:07
  yeah, it's kind of like removing that element
• 1:18:09
  of the reason Yeah, there just is something it's
• 1:18:12
  just assuming that there is a flood Yes, and
• 1:18:15
  so each of these gods are coming up with a way
• 1:18:17
  to yeah, so that's interesting It's also interesting
• 1:18:20
  that Vishnu comes as a fish. Yeah, he's just
• 1:18:22
  like let me just disguise the fish This new sounds
• 1:18:25
  like a fish. It kind of does. Yeah But that is
• 1:18:29
  interesting because they're not saying we created
• 1:18:32
  the flood. Yeah. They're saying we're finding
• 1:18:34
  a solution to the flood. Yes. So which honestly
• 1:18:38
  that is something that we see in Gilgamesh. Yeah.
• 1:18:40
  Where it's like oh let me warn this person because
• 1:18:42
  it's like this is there's nothing we can do about
• 1:18:45
  this is going to happen. Right. Yeah. It's interesting
• 1:18:47
  that oftentimes within these the flood or the
• 1:18:52
  warning of the flood some like it like a lot
• 1:18:55
  of it comes from this supreme God. within their
• 1:18:59
  godhead. Right. So like we even see with Enki
• 1:19:03
  he's like he's a higher god than a lot of them,
• 1:19:05
  or Vishnu is a higher god than the rest of the
• 1:19:08
  Hindu gods. Yeah. So it's like that's kind of
• 1:19:11
  interesting that even then it comes from one
• 1:19:13
  who's above the rest of them, or Zeus. Yeah.
• 1:19:16
  It's like yeah he is the the king of the gods
• 1:19:19
  in that in that area. Well Zeus killed his dad
• 1:19:22
  though right? Yes. Yeah. Can even eat everybody.
• 1:19:27
  Stop eating people. Stop! That's just a good
• 1:19:31
  thing to live by. And then now... Sorry. Stop
• 1:19:35
  eating people. Rules for life. I mean, if you
• 1:19:38
  are, please stop. Please don't do it. It can't
• 1:19:41
  be that good. It will not end well. Now one of
• 1:19:45
  our favorites, the Mayans. Oh, yes. So this is
• 1:19:49
  the Papavool. Say that again. I'm not going to
• 1:19:54
  The gods The gods flood the world to punish wouldn't
• 1:20:01
  to punish wooden people who lack souls. Oh That's
• 1:20:05
  the wooden people float fascinating, isn't it?
• 1:20:09
  Yeah Survivor that's interesting. Yeah survivors
• 1:20:12
  flee into forests and become monkeys. Whoa And
• 1:20:20
  that this is the second time the gods destroyed
• 1:20:22
  the earth, and we are currently living in the
• 1:20:24
  third world. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So they're
• 1:20:28
  not the original flood. They're a second flood.
• 1:20:31
  Well, not the first cataclysm. Gotcha. So you're
• 1:20:35
  saying like, oh, like, yeah, the gods have destroyed
• 1:20:39
  the earth before. Right. This is the third. We're
• 1:20:41
  living in the third one, so they've done it twice.
• 1:20:43
  Yeah, yeah. And the reason for the first or for
• 1:20:47
  the second flood. Or the second cataclysm. Yeah
• 1:20:50
  was because these wooden people that didn't have
• 1:20:52
  any souls That's weird and that opens up huge
• 1:20:56
  parallel. It does Which is like oh, that's interesting,
• 1:21:00
  but that's what I think that's the thing that
• 1:21:01
  I like I'm again to say this about these myths
• 1:21:04
  is how it's like they are there are differences
• 1:21:07
  Yeah, but each of them carries an element that
• 1:21:09
  we see in the Bible accounts is missed. It's
• 1:21:14
  like all of these, there's some tie -in or some
• 1:21:17
  detail that the Bible has that all of these share
• 1:21:20
  in one way or another. Yeah. Yeah, the flood
• 1:21:24
  was intended to wipe out evil on the earth. Yeah.
• 1:21:29
  Or like in that instance, wiping out those without
• 1:21:33
  a soul. Yeah. And those that had souls became
• 1:21:36
  monkeys, which then kind of points to... an evolutionary
• 1:21:40
  conversation it does which is especially in the
• 1:21:42
  Mayan very interesting that is interesting yeah
• 1:21:45
  yeah um so then this one which this one i think
• 1:21:48
  you'll like it's fun this is the aboriginal australian
• 1:21:51
  myth okay um tidalic and the frog say that again
• 1:21:57
  i'm afraid to tidalic and the frog in the frog
• 1:22:03
  princess and the frog oh i'm sorry He is the
• 1:22:06
  frog. He is the frog. Teetalick the frog. I misread
• 1:22:08
  my own notes. Oh, okay. That's a surname. The
• 1:22:11
  frog. The frog. It is though. That's a surname.
• 1:22:16
  It would be the surname. Everything ties together.
• 1:22:18
  It does. We're good at this. Here we are. A giant
• 1:22:23
  frog drinks all the water. Oh, thirsty. Then
• 1:22:27
  animals trick him into laughing, causing a flood.
• 1:22:31
  So he throws up. The water restores balance to
• 1:22:34
  the land. That makes sense That's one of those
• 1:22:39
  for me. It's like whatever this like wait. How
• 1:22:41
  did you even get to that? They're in Australia
• 1:22:43
  Yeah, it makes sense like a giant frog. He drank
• 1:22:46
  all of it. Yeah So there's a you think that's
• 1:22:49
  he made it a barren wasteland then the whole
• 1:22:51
  earth and then animals like we gotta make him
• 1:22:53
  laugh I love that It's the only way to get him
• 1:22:58
  to spit it back out Wow, that's a huge frog.
• 1:23:02
  It's a big frog. Yeah Think of it like, how do
• 1:23:04
  you hold all that water? Where's that frog now?
• 1:23:08
  Well, he laughed too hard. He just deflated.
• 1:23:11
  He's like... He's somewhere in the ocean. He's
• 1:23:16
  somewhere there. Probably. Probably somewhere,
• 1:23:20
  yeah. Just drinking up some water. Just a big
• 1:23:21
  frog in the ocean. Just hanging out. I like that.
• 1:23:23
  Like, I'll drink it again. Yeah, it's true. So
• 1:23:26
  those are the myths I have for us today. Okay.
• 1:23:28
  Myths, myths. And so I think... Again with it,
• 1:23:33
  and these ones, I'm sure are more familiar to
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  people because the common myths, shared flood
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  myths, is a popular topic. The creation ones,
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  I don't think we hear very often, and even the
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  other two categories that we'll be talking about
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  in the next few episodes. But for this one, it's
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  like, it is more familiar, but I don't know if
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  I've ever heard anyone... kind of break each
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  of them down a little bit, even just a summary
• 1:23:58
  of them. Yeah, and see how they all have a through
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  line. Yeah. Yeah. And it's fascinating that even
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  then it's like we still see that through line.
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  Yeah. Through most of them. There's always an
• 1:24:10
  element of that that attaches to one. Yeah. Even
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  in this one, it's like, you're like, well, what's
• 1:24:14
  the through line here? It's like, well, what
• 1:24:16
  was the purpose of the flood? biblically speaking,
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  it was to remove wickedness and restore the balance
• 1:24:22
  to start over. And then we see in the Australian
• 1:24:25
  one, it's like, well, that's what it did. The
• 1:24:27
  water restored balance to the land. And it's
• 1:24:30
  like, well, that's restoring order. Something
• 1:24:34
  chaotic happened, and now order has been restored.
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  So it's like, there's always those elements of
• 1:24:40
  the point of the story or details of the story
• 1:24:43
  that carry through every single myth. And it's
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  interesting to me, and that's why I even brought
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  up, so the last ones that I read were all from
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  the lines of Ham, those civilizations that descended
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  from that. How we see similarities based on the
• 1:24:57
  quote unquote righteous lines, and then the differences
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  or even similarities through the unrighteous
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  line. And it's like, I find that very fascinating.
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  How we see the similarities and differences in
• 1:25:09
  those stories and yeah, their descendants and
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  regionally where they're from. Yeah, that's cool.
• 1:25:15
  I mean, I think that's the thing to note, too,
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  and to look at from top to bottom is like when
• 1:25:21
  we read the Bible, the Bible is not in isolation.
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  We've talked about this before, but it's a it's
• 1:25:27
  in a lot of ways, it's a response to what's going
• 1:25:29
  on. Right. So the Bible is kind of the Lord telling
• 1:25:33
  us all this stuff that's happening around you.
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  Here's why it's happening. Here's what's happening.
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  and all the stuff that you don't really understand
• 1:25:43
  why it's happening. It's actually happening on
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  the back end. It's happening in my space. And
• 1:25:50
  then pulling it into these are the effects on
• 1:25:53
  the earth that you see, and here's what you can
• 1:25:55
  do about that. And I'll send Jesus, I'll send
• 1:26:00
  my son to make everything right in order for
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  you to be restored back to me. And in that way,
• 1:26:09
  like washed by the blood is an interesting parallel
• 1:26:12
  to the flood. It is. Especially to other flood
• 1:26:15
  myths, which you see the one flood myth where
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  it was the blood of the God poured out. Yeah.
• 1:26:22
  In order to cleanse the earth from what it was.
• 1:26:25
  Right. So you kind of see that again. So in some
• 1:26:28
  ways, Jesus's blood poured out on the cross is
• 1:26:32
  a bit of a new flood. that washes us, resets
• 1:26:38
  us, right? But without flooding and destroying
• 1:26:40
  the earth, instead it's a solution. So that we
• 1:26:43
  can then choose him. Because in the original
• 1:26:46
  flood, it was just wiping out all sin. It was
• 1:26:49
  just like, we gave you a shot, we're wiping it
• 1:26:52
  out. The sign is Noah. If you see Noah, then
• 1:26:56
  follow Noah. But if you don't, we're wiping the
• 1:27:00
  whole thing out. So the whole thing gets wiped
• 1:27:03
  out on the other end. there's no water flood
• 1:27:06
  that wipes out all of humanity but instead there's
• 1:27:09
  a savior that we can choose and we're washed
• 1:27:12
  by his blood and we're cleansed by his blood
• 1:27:15
  and we go and we talked about this before but
• 1:27:17
  baptism as going under the waters but then reemerging
• 1:27:21
  not staying under the waters but reemerging so
• 1:27:24
  it's cool like there's this this parallel too
• 1:27:27
  with the waters of the flood and the blood of
• 1:27:31
  God the blood of the Son of God. Yeah. Yeah.
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  So it's kind of cool to tie all those things
• 1:27:38
  together. It is cool. And that's what I, I think
• 1:27:39
  that's what I love about biblical prophecy, especially.
• 1:27:42
  Yeah. Is that even in Old Testament prophecy,
• 1:27:46
  when we look at that, it's like, oh, these have
• 1:27:47
  been fulfilled. And it's like, yes, it has. But
• 1:27:50
  also it hasn't fully yet. Right. In the way of
• 1:27:53
  like, there's, it's not, it doesn't just mean
• 1:27:55
  one thing. Yeah. And we see that even in, I mean,
• 1:27:59
  we've brought this up on even on tipsy theology
• 1:28:01
  before with Passover. And it's like, well, that
• 1:28:05
  tells the story of the Israelites in Egypt and
• 1:28:08
  their exodus. But it also tells the story of
• 1:28:10
  Jesus and what he did. And it's like, oh, that's
• 1:28:13
  interesting. And we see the warnings and the
• 1:28:15
  tellings of the flood, or even the coming of
• 1:28:18
  Jesus and the second coming of Jesus. It all
• 1:28:20
  tells the same story in these literary elements.
• 1:28:24
  It doesn't just mean one thing. It means all
• 1:28:26
  of these things. Yeah, and it's all tied in.
• 1:28:30
  So nothing is happening isolated. So like in
• 1:28:33
  the Bible, nothing is isolated happening just
• 1:28:35
  for no reason. It's connected to something else.
• 1:28:38
  Yes. So it's happening because of or as a solution
• 1:28:41
  to like it's like that's what's happening in
• 1:28:44
  the Bible. So that's why like looking at it as
• 1:28:47
  a whole and as a full picture is so important
• 1:28:50
  because it all ties in. Yeah. It's like you have
• 1:28:52
  these these elements. Yeah. But even like like
• 1:28:57
  when they when they put the sword in the side
• 1:29:00
  of Jesus and the blood and the water flows out.
• 1:29:02
  You have all these things that are kind of tied
• 1:29:04
  together that it's kind of interesting because
• 1:29:08
  that blood or that water that spills out kind
• 1:29:11
  of washes over the mountain that he's on, Gaugathe,
• 1:29:19
  which Gaugathe is the place of the skull. That's
• 1:29:24
  so crazy. And arguably, according to extra biblical
• 1:29:28
  myth is where doesn't David take the head of
• 1:29:32
  Goliath? Yeah. And that's why it's called Golgotha.
• 1:29:36
  Yeah, I think that's right. The place of the
• 1:29:38
  skull. Which even that is like, and this is obviously,
• 1:29:41
  this is me on a philosophical side, like taking
• 1:29:43
  it beyond what it is. Yeah. Potentially. Yeah.
• 1:29:47
  And it's like, when we think about how this even
• 1:29:48
  ties to these flood stories, it's like, well,
• 1:29:51
  here's David taking the head of a giant Goliath.
• 1:29:53
  Yeah. and he's placing him here. But then we
• 1:29:56
  see in like the Norse mythology that it's like,
• 1:29:59
  well, it was a giant who was slain. Yeah. And
• 1:30:02
  his blood covered the earth. Right. And then
• 1:30:06
  we see Jesus on the same place where David laid
• 1:30:08
  that skull. Yeah. And on top of a giant. And
• 1:30:12
  his blood in his water is like flooded, flooded
• 1:30:16
  out of him. It's like, well, that's. kind of
• 1:30:17
  beautiful when you think about these stories
• 1:30:20
  and these images that are created from that.
• 1:30:22
  Well, especially because, and something that
• 1:30:25
  we're kind of working towards, but the flood,
• 1:30:29
  the original flood, there's a result of the abomination
• 1:30:33
  that happens between the sons of God and the
• 1:30:35
  daughters of man in Genesis 6. And that's wiped
• 1:30:39
  away, right? So that's... that when you bring
• 1:30:43
  that up, like the giant that is of the line of
• 1:30:46
  the Nephilim in a Goliath, but then Jesus' blood
• 1:30:53
  washes over that the same way that the flood
• 1:30:56
  wiped them out. Yeah, it covers the wickedness
• 1:31:00
  and destroys. I mean, as the Mayans said, the
• 1:31:03
  wooden people. Without souls. Without souls.
• 1:31:07
  Yeah, that's wild. But that is interesting though,
• 1:31:09
  because it's like you look around and you go,
• 1:31:11
  there's giants everywhere. Like no matter where
• 1:31:14
  you look, there's giants everywhere. They're
• 1:31:16
  everywhere. Yeah, and it's typically the response,
• 1:31:19
  like the wickedness happening is typically, or
• 1:31:23
  like the solution is typically a response to
• 1:31:26
  the wickedness of the abomination of... tainting
• 1:31:30
  the human bloodline. Those that were on the earth
• 1:31:35
  who wanted to rule the earth, they weren't given
• 1:31:39
  reign, but instead humanity was through Adam
• 1:31:43
  and Eve. Yeah, and it's amazing that we even
• 1:31:45
  see that with Jesus, who came from a pure bloodline,
• 1:31:50
  as far as there is only humanity within him.
• 1:31:52
  Right. and he came as the perfect man, the perfect
• 1:31:57
  human, and his blood washed out, and it wasn't
• 1:32:00
  a blood that was tainted by other things, but
• 1:32:02
  it was a fully human, pure blood. And I think
• 1:32:06
  what's so cool about that as well is when we
• 1:32:08
  see even these stories of like, yep, this is
• 1:32:12
  the third time that something like this happened,
• 1:32:14
  or the Aztecs, it might have been the Mayan Aztecs,
• 1:32:17
  I think it was the Aztecs, like we're living
• 1:32:18
  in the fifth. creation. And it's like, this is
• 1:32:21
  the fifth time that it's been destroyed and started
• 1:32:23
  over. I think all those are so interesting in
• 1:32:27
  that why does God, if it's true, why does God
• 1:32:30
  keep restarting things? Why is that image there?
• 1:32:32
  But now instead, with Jesus, he didn't just restart
• 1:32:36
  again. He said, no, actually, I'm gonna do it
• 1:32:38
  differently this time. With the flood, that was
• 1:32:41
  him restarting everything. And he's like, no,
• 1:32:44
  no, no, this time I'm actually just gonna redeem
• 1:32:45
  these people, because I want these people. And
• 1:32:48
  everything else, all the other ones that have
• 1:32:50
  fallen away, they're just gonna go. Yeah. I'm
• 1:32:52
  just getting rid of them. Yeah. And it's like,
• 1:32:55
  I think that's part of the beauty of it too,
• 1:32:56
  where there's something different that happened.
• 1:32:59
  Right. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, and it's interesting
• 1:33:02
  to get into the different iterations of creation.
• 1:33:05
  Yeah. Especially in the instance that the Mayan
• 1:33:09
  gods are potentially going back to... sons of
• 1:33:16
  God who rebelled. And then the world being set
• 1:33:21
  over. So by the time you get to the Mayans, it
• 1:33:24
  is the third time. Because then they're coming,
• 1:33:27
  you know, and then the Mayans get wiped away
• 1:33:30
  as well. So then you have like these iterations
• 1:33:34
  that kind of go over and over again because of
• 1:33:36
  the wiping out of civilizations. And civilizations
• 1:33:39
  that are intentionally worshiping not the one
• 1:33:43
  true God. and making an abomination on the earth,
• 1:33:47
  which is originally God's temple, that he was
• 1:33:51
  to dwell and move back and forth and commune
• 1:33:55
  with man. That's cool. It's cool. I think the
• 1:34:02
  thing that I love And what I love especially
• 1:34:04
  about these, the Pentateuch, is these literary
• 1:34:08
  devices that are used and how it's like, again,
• 1:34:10
  it's like it's not just telling one thing. It's
• 1:34:13
  not just like, yep, this is historically what
• 1:34:14
  happened and that's it. It could be telling that.
• 1:34:17
  It could not be telling that. But it's like there's
• 1:34:19
  so many literary, there's so much imagery that
• 1:34:22
  is pulled from this that applies to so many aspects
• 1:34:25
  of the Bible and the story that it's telling.
• 1:34:27
  And I think it's beautiful to kind of see all
• 1:34:29
  of that in play. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. So
• 1:34:32
  maybe we'll end where we started. Yeah. Paul?
• 1:34:37
  What is the myth of the rainbow? We have to gather
• 1:34:41
  around and gather around. And we'll see you next
• 1:34:44
  time on the next episode of Martyrs Row, where
• 1:34:47
  we continue the myth conversation. Let's get
• 1:34:50
  mythy. Let's get mythy. That's terrible. That's
• 1:34:52
  terrible. I like it. Three, two, one.