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18 Innings of World Series baseball, Frank Schwab talks NFL & Eliot Clough on the Hawkeyes · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Hi, good morning, good afternoon, welcome Miller and
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Condon on a Tuesday, it's the Iowa sports radio network.
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Trent Condon, Ken Miller, we're going to talk sports with you.
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Bad day for the baseball is boring crowd.
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My God, what a game we'll get into that.
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Here's what's coming up on our program.
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We will recap the NFL like we normally do on Tuesdays.
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We'll get that in segment #1 and then Frank Schwab will join us
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for a few minutes from yahoosports.com, where he covers
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the NFL. We'll get Frank in here about
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1225. Elliot Cleff.
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No press conferences today that I'm aware of.
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There are. There are.
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Yes, coordinators, Coordinators at 1:00.
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So we'll get Elliot right before then and he'll sneak back into
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the room for the press conferences.
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Good. But I I really wanted to pick
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his brain on any Intel on the exhibition game.
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The top secret exhibition game with Texas Tech.
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Have you heard anything? Yes.
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Oh, you have? Yes.
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I should just ask you. That Well, you should I, like
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you, don't think I got my ear to the ground.
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What did you hear? Positive.
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Negative. Concerning.
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Didn't shoot the ball well. Again, they competed well.
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Much better defensively than they were in the first time out
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against Saint Louis. Had some troubles inside, but
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probably the biggest take away, again, they were blitzing out
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Bennett Sturtz did a better job of that.
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He was able to combat it. I think they had some counters
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to kind of the defense that they saw against Saint Louis.
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Much better shots didn't fall. I think they were like one of
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fourteen in the first half, something like that.
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Shot a little bit better in the second.
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Lost by like 10 right in that range.
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That's the top ten, no? Texas.
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Texas is really good. That's a very good team, but
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defense improving. Them Houston, BYU in the Big 12.
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I need to see it with BYU before I put him up in that tier.
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Got to see how the freshman look and before I'm ready to get
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there. But Houston, absolutely.
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Texas Tech's going to be really good.
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And then we'll figure out from there.
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Let's see what else do they have.
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A couple other things. I don't know how much Brendan
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Howson how how he's kind of figuring in had that injury this
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summer that he missed some time, sounded like Alvaro Fool.
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Garris maybe wasn't, he's still, they're still trying to work it
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all out of him. You know, I had some, some maybe
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bad tendencies that they're trying to coach out of him.
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Tends to float a little bit, need him to be a little bit more
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dynamic. But overall, I, I think a good
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performance. I think from what I heard
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they're pretty happy with the way the things went.
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And and now they're done until the actual.
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Yes, and then they'll open up against Alvaro Fool Garris, his
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old team, Robert Morris will open things up and game one of
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the Ben Mcalmara. Good stuff.
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Well, we'll talk to. Elliot, it's got more than I do.
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Though, and we'll pick his brain and on that one, he joins us
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here at about 12:45. At 1:00, I'd forgotten what
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we're. Doing Matt Snyder.
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Of course, we'll head to Los Angeles with
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mattsnydercbssports.com. Get him out of bed as he is
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covering the World Series Games 3-4 and five in LA, and then we
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will wrap things up with Bill Bender.
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We'll talk some college football with our buddy Bill Bender from
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The Sporting News. Trent will make some picks
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before we get out of here as there's college football tonight
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guessing a big slate in the NBA and oh by the way, game four of
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the World Series. Is Otani going to be ready to
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pitch after the game that he played last night was on base,
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what, 9 times in the baseball game?
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Trent, The game had something for everybody, including in just
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an atrocious call early in the game that cost the Jays,
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probably cost them a run, but it's not like it.
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Beau Bichette is not without fault, you know, wandering off
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first base. I mean, you got to be aware of
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what's going on and umpires of a slow, quiet call or not.
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And it was Balfour. It was it was an egregious miss.
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Varsho starts walking off Bichette.
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They're both kind of confused. Varsho then steps back toward
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the batter's box and then starts walking toward first.
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So I get why Bichette's going, but that was disappointing.
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Next year when we get the. Automated system you can
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challenge I'm. Almost ready to just do away
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with them and just have every ball and strike be.
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On I know you hate it. I hate it.
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I don't. I want a guy behind the plate,
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you know, if the, if you're, if the buzzer in your left arm or
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left hand goes, that's a ball you're right-handed to strike.
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That's enough for me. Get it right.
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We've had we have the technology, as the $6 million
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man said once said. I that play, though, when we
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have the challenge system, Challenge system taps his
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helmet. All right, we go.
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Yeah, it was ball 4MM. Hmm.
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Is the runner still out of first base or because it's ball four?
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I would be. It's a dead ball and everybody
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just progresses. Well, he called a strike, right,
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Right. But they challenge it in the
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future, so. They so they go back and get it
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right and put Bichette back on or or second base if they would
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have. So let's let the play play out.
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Yes, while they're determining whether it's a ball.
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Well, I'm not sure they would have got that far.
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Hard to say. Because it was ball 4, it should
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have been ball four and the challenge system that we'll have
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next year, they had tapped the helmets ball 4.
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So that play didn't happen because it was actually ball
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four. He goes to second base.
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Yes, you'd believe. Yes.
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That's the way it should be, Absolutely.
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Yeah. That was one thing I was just
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wondering last night if it plays out in that fashion.
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It has to be right? It has to be.
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It has to be. Guerrero makes an unbelievable
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throw to third base, just an unbelievable throw to third
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base. Tommy Edmund says hold by there
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was a lot of them. Oh my God, I thought Garreau
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might have played that made one of the most the best defensive
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play certainly in the game. And then a couple of innings
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later the play with Edmunds play when the the ball was how he was
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able to slide stand and throw to third base to get Kiner Faleppa
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who was in because of his speed. I mean, if Beau Bachette kind of
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Faleppa came in for Bichette, if Bichette is still in the game,
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is kind of Faleppa going to 3rd? Probably not.
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No, probably not. But you can also be mad at your
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team for not getting a runner in scoring position for 10 straight
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innings. Oh, for sure.
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Yeah, absolutely. But it's just that those two
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throws at third base the the real, the relay throw by by
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Edmund to to gun down Snyder at home plate was unbelievable.
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Look, here's my take away on the whole thing.
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If you've got a guy in your team, Nathan Lucas and Miles
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struck, can you really beat the Dodgers with those two bumps?
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Seriously, Lucas is a career minor leaguer.
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He swung at 2 twice. He swung at ball four against
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Clayton Kershaw twice. That brings that walks in the
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winning run. Who knows where it goes.
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Otani was unbelievable. The Dodgers bullpen that we, not
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just we baseball killed leading up to this World Series was
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unbelievable last night. What do you like to have George
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Springer for those last? 11 right?
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There's another one. There's A and he's not soft.
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I mean, you could tell he was wincing.
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He was wince. He went to the hospital for
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crying out loud. It's not like he's in the locker
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room, you know, eating the post game spread.
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He was at the hospital for an MRI.
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What a game. What a game.
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Unreal. How about that?
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Yeah. How about that?
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Will Klein. They just find another one, they
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do. And when client first comes in,
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So what? What was he that he was the
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12345? 6 The last one.
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Is the 10th guy coming 10th or 11?
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Yeah. Last guy to come in and right
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away just blowing 99 like this guy?
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Don't know. I don't know who this guy is.
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Yeah, I watched some baseball. I don't know who he is, and he
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just up there blowing 90. I'm just, what a different world
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we're living in a Major League Baseball.
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That was yet another example. And that guy gutted it out,
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getting 4 innings out of him. Just absolutely tremendous.
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What did he finish with? 4 innings, 5 strikeouts, two
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walks. I'm looking at 72 pitches.
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Yeah, 72 pitches that. Guy didn't think he was going to
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throw 72 pitches for the Dodgers all year, right?
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He throws 72 in a World Series game.
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The The storylines, the edge of your seat, the decision, the.
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Questionable Why is why is Schneider after Vladigro an
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unbelievable at the plate where he hits him with his hand on a
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on a on a Bang Bang play at home at home plate for the Jays to go
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up five four in the game. Why do you why do you pitch to a
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dog? What are you doing?
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It's. Not the time.
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And then after that, he figured it out.
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And it's walk him, walk him and walk little too late.
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John Schneider. Joel, welcome to the program.
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Thanks for being patient. Joel, how are you?
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I'm good. First of all, Full disclosure,
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I'm a big Dodger fan and I'm. A Big Blue Jays fan.
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So back to. And good for you.
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I'm very, very impressed. Very impressed with your team.
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They're fighting harder than you know any team can.
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Here's my thoughts. Schneider came out today and and
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said he's not going to pitch to Otani.
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Doesn't look bad for baseball and the Blue Jays to say we
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can't even pitch to this guy, we're not good enough.
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In a way, yes, but in a way it's the right move.
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You want to win the game. I get it.
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And, and, and by the way, they were, they were not supposed to
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pitch to Otani. He was supposed to pitch all
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balls when he hit the last home. Run.
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That's why, that's why, that's why he started intentionally
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walking. Just put the four fingers up.
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I didn't know that part. Oh my God, that's the.
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Worst. So what are you expecting him
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tonight, Joel, after the game that he played yesterday?
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I don't. The late the lateness of the
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game is somewhat of an issue. He was being walked and he
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didn't do much. So he's he can't be all that
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tired because of because of his play he got.
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Thrown out at second base on a steal.
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He did, and he kind of tweaked himself.
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When he was when he was pushed off the base, but they never
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called that. Ken Herbeck says that's fine.
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Ken Herbeck says that's a OK to do that.
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Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, that's Yeah, I, I did
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never win her. Whatever.
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That's a good one. Yeah, whatever you you keep
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playing. And by the way, Trent, they did
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play out that walk play. That's why he got ticked off.
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Is that what it was? Dead ball.
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Yeah, yeah, it was never a dead ball.
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It was never a dead strike. So right, right.
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I'm just saying next, next year, when there's a challenge, you
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challenge it because it was an awful you.
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Challenge it, you challenge it. It's a ball.
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And and if it was ball 4, which I believe it was, now you get
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runners on 1st and second. Yeah, yeah.
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You put them back out. You don't.
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Yeah, it's, it's a weird play. There were so many weird things.
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I was phenomenal. It was.
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So fun they could keep up with it.
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I mean, look into the numbers sometime online when you get a
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chance to see all the different numbers that came out of that
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game. It's phenomenal.
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Joel, thanks and go ahead. And at my age, this another game
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like that's going to kill me. How?
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Old are you? How old are you, Joel?
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I'm 67 by two till the end of the game.
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Did you? I didn't.
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I didn't. I made it to the 14th.
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The 18th was going to be my last inning, too.
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I was going to go to bed. Yeah.
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So. So thank you, Freddie.
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Yeah, good stuff. Thanks all.
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Appreciate the. Call.
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You bet. We just talked for 10 minutes.
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We didn't even bring up the game winner.
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Yeah, and there were. How about Fred prior to that?
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Let me get to my favorite Freddie Freeman moment.
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We got thrown out by Far by by Bob.
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God, I can't think of his name. The the Grand Slam dude Barger
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Barger when he got thrown out by Barger on a just a complete
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bullet from right field. But yeah, the home run just kept
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going and going. So here's me.
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Full disclosure, I went to bed like the 14th.
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Inning and I hit record. That was enough.
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I yeah, I couldn't take it anymore.
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I couldn't take it. I knew you were sleeping, Jayce
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got tweeted at us. So.
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I get up early, get the coffee, I'm all set to go turn the TV on
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watching the game. So you don't check your phone?
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No, the phone's off. Didn't look at sports.
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Center. Nothing, nothing.
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Twitter just went right to the game.
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Newspapers not a thing. Anymore, sadly, but it would
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have been on the front step. They wouldn't have had it in
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there though regardless. So Clement flies out in the 17th
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inning. I think it was Clement and my
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and stopped. It just stopped.
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I didn't. Instead of it going 3 hours past
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the I even thought about it subconsciously.
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Do I just want to do an hour and a half or three hour and a half
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is good? Oh, no, yeah.
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So I then I was, I was clubbed. So I had the 7th and 18th
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inning. I found out like online right?
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Which was just. Brutal.
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Yeah. At that point, did you know what
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had happened? You still No, I still.
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So you went searching? Yes.
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For the late innings. I.
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Mean, I knew it would. I kind of knew which way was
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going, right? It's the Dodgers, and you've got
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Miles Straw and Ernie Clement and Nathan Lucas and Ty France
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and Hyneman and some guys. I mean, look at full credit to
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them. They're putting up a hell of a
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fight. That's a team.
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That's a baseball team. Tommy.
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Tommy Edmond was out of his. Mind, he was great.
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He might have been the. MVPI think he might have been.
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Well, oh Tommy, right? He's at his own strategy.
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But other than him, Tommy Edmonds, 2 throws of the relay
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throw, and I was surprised the Oscar Hernandez was able to
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field that one out there as cleanly as he was, or as he did
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rather, because he's kind of an adventure out there.
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But what a game overall. My God, this one's going to be
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talked about for a long, long time and understandably so.
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It was phenomenal. So much theater, so many plays,
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guys getting thrown out at third, guys getting thrown out
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at home, pitching changes, long fly balls that ended up being
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outs. It was one thing after another.
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Really, really good stuff. All right, coming up on 12/15.
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I do want to get to the NFL at some point here in the first
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segment. Now here's a guy we'd be talking
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a lot to in the weeks ahead. Hello, Wade, looking Bill, how
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are you? How was your summer?
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You know, it's really good and it's kind of basketball season,
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but I want to talk a little bit about baseball.
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I'm all for it. Hell yeah.
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So. So I think it was.
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Sorry. Let me get, I think it was after
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the game and it was, it was Freddie Freeman's press
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conference, you know, with the formal.
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Yeah, in front of all the media. And you're still up at this
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point? No, I was no, so no, of course
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not. I you know, I'm like, I went to
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bed, you know, but just watching the highlights last night, I'm
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sorry, watching the highlights this morning and they're and
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they're, and they're interviewing, I think it was
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Freddie Freeman and they, you're talking about the home run and
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like you mentioned cannibal getting thrown out and, and he
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said, can we just pause? Can we just pause and say that
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our starting pitcher for tonight's game, because this
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after midnight was on base 9 times today.
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I mean, and, and when he said that after all Otani's, you
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know, 10 strikeouts, three home runs in the, in the division
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series and what he did when he said that, I thought that is the
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most unbelievable I've ever heard that their starting
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pitcher for tonight's game was on base 9 times today.
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It's just, it's just unbelievable what he's doing.
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Yeah, it really is. It's AI mean people foolishly
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bet somebody else to win the MVP with the World Series.
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I was looking for prices. I was too.
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That's what we. Do right, you don't want to take
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the favorite, but just. Still early though.
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Yeah, No, I mean, what? If I hope.
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Doing a third tonight and gives up five runs.
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I don't know. I mean, never know.
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Alejandro, Kurt keeps doing what he's doing.
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You ready to talk Hawks with us in the weeks ahead?
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Yes, I think they play a week from tonight.
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Robert Morris, I think comes into town.
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So, you know, everyone's cautiously, cautiously.
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We'll see. We'll see.
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As are we. Wait.
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Good to hear from you. I'll reach out next week.
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Thank you buddy. Great time of year.
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Thanks. Thanks for all you do.
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See you guys. Thank you.
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Bye. Bye.
15:27
Bye bye Wade looking Bill. He joins Trenton Nye, former
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Hawk, of course, through a whole bunch of times weekly.
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Joel brought up, I think a good point on what?
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Well, he said, you know, is it a good look for baseball just
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blocking him every time? You know what's a bad look for
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Mookie Betts? Mookie Betts goes one of eight.
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Mookie Betts threw out all the extra.
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And he had a he had an air last night, too.
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So many opportunities, you know, so many chances.
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So Mookie Betts, I think it's the worst look for him because
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they're not scared of Mookie Betts.
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But that just tells me to go ahead and bet all his player
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props tonight. Oh, really?
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This guy's way better than that. He had a bad night last night
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too, there's no doubt about that.
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Any update on Springer? I mean, it's got to be he's,
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he's got. I haven't seen anything this
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morning. Nathan Lucas won for 8:00.
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It's not just really bothered. Yeah, miles strong.
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Miles strong. They're built a little
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different. Yeah, Ernie Clement, one for 8.
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Jimenez, one for six. Kirky, they had to take him out.
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That was the Remy. He's the catcher, right?
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He's my guy. He's he's built like you.
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We we are both fire hydrants. Yeah, he's built like you.
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All right, we're going to talk some NFL.
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Did you watch much of the Chiefs last night?
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Had it on to one of the team. In fact, I had the audio on and
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that's like the crazy play with the should have been ball
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forward that we were talking about.
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I had the volume on that on the NFL game.
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So that was kids are running around and so that's why also
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some confusion. What is going on here?
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Like he put his arm up. There's no way he called that a
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strike, right? Right.
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Flip it out. To hear Smoltz explain it like
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that was bad. But yeah, watched a lot of that.
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Washington had a lot of. Opportunity.
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You know what? Mariota didn't play poorly, did
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it? I only saw it during the
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commercials of the baseball game Woulda saw.
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That was a woulda shoulda game. I mean, there's there's plenty
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of that that they were hanging around that first drive.
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I mean, they marched right down the field and.
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It's Debo Samuel, right in the face mask.
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If he wasn't wearing a visor, does that bounce?
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I just there were a lot of breaks.
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The Holmes did not play well in the first half.
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A lot of breaks went Kansas City's way, and though they get
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the win, you know they move on. Did you see the roughing the
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passer at the end? I don't think so.
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It was probably the right call. Oh, you're just going to
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complain about that again because it's Patrick Holmes, you
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know? Troy Aikman said it as much.
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You're going to get a call, especially this quarterback.
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Well, that's kind of that's. Pretty grumpy anymore.
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I like Troy. For that I know you.
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Do take your time out. We will be joined by Frank
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Schwab, yahoosports.com on the NFL Elliott cleft still to come
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this hour we'll head to LA catch up with Matt Snyder.
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I got to read his piece, I bet just pretty good.
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What, what, what time the media gets out of there?
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Are they are the media shuttles they're still running, or are
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they left high and dry at the end of that?
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Well, because it's not just, well, yeah, Shuttle.
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Oh, you got a bus driver that's been sitting there?
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Exactly. What if they've hit overtime?
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What if they've hit their allotment of hours, whatever it
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is, and they're searching at, you know, 2/3, 4:00 AM Pacific
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Time, trying to figure out, hey, who's got over hours left?
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Who can actually drive this thing?
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Do they fall asleep? I've never been to Dodger
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Stadium. The thing I keep hearing every
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time I've talked to people who have been there, the nightmare
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that is the parking lot, Yes, the traffic in and out of it
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looks really cool though. I'd love to get there one day.
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Probably will at some point. We shall see if they move.
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Dankity be a whole lot. Easier that would that would
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work out well. We got retirement right around.
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The well, yeah, Miller and Condon underway before we get
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the break. Let's do this time for a
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Iowa Sports Radio Network. I'm Miller Condon, welcome back.
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See Iowa Sports Radio Network wherever you are listing in the
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state of Iowa. Glad you are or wherever on the
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iheart app. Let's get to our friend Frank
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Schwab. He covers the NFL for
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yahoosports.com. yahoosports.com and he is with us.
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Frank, as always, thank you for doing this.
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Trenton KED, good to speak with you.
19:28
How are you, Frank? Doing well, doing well.
19:31
That was you know, and I'm not even talking about University of
19:34
Wisconsin, but that was 1 bad weekend of football, wasn't it
19:37
was terrible, yes, just good. I know it's luck of the draw.
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There's no, you know, nothing to take from it, but boy, it was
19:44
boring. No, I'm you know when The Jets
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and the Bengals might have put on the best show, which does
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have a high bar to begin with and that that might have been
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it. But I couldn't agree with you
19:53
more. That's an excellent point.
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I want to start with the Colts. And are you a believer in this
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team at this point? A7 and one record says that the.
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Yeah, they're absolutely legit. They've got the best record in
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the NFL. A lot of still detractors out
20:08
there. Where are you?
20:09
Frank Schwab on the Indianapolis Colts.
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I guess I'm warming up on them. At some point you just have to
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tip your cap. And we've had teams, you know,
20:19
through the years that you know, they're winning one point games
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or they just catch a a run of a schedule that's just so soft
20:26
that they're just they they almost can't help but win games.
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The Colts team is blowing out opponents.
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They've had quality wins. They've won on a road.
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They their stats look fine or point differential.
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Like there's nothing about the Colts that tells you this is
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going to regress other than what we thought about them before the
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season, what we thought about Daniel Jones and what we thought
20:47
about Stike. And maybe everything on the
20:49
field has been fantastic. It all checks out, right?
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So I don't know. I do I think that this is some
20:56
Super Bowl contender? Not really, but it's at some
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point you just say, well, who's playing better?
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Who's who do I do? I think the Colts absolutely,
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positively can't beat. They should have beat the Rams
21:08
in LA. Like the Rams are a really good
21:09
football team. They kind of bow race the
21:12
Chargers. Chargers are a good football
21:14
team in LA. They beat the Broncos, who I
21:17
have a lot of respect for. So yeah, I think the Colts are
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for real. Whether that means they're going
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to make an AFC championship game or not, I don't know.
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But I mean it, it seems kind of the floor for this team is about
21:28
like 12 wins like that. That's kind of a worst case
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scenario at this point. So Friday into Saturday, we see
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kind of a converging of your worlds.
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It's the NFL, but it's also the injury report which goes hand in
21:38
hand with gambling. And you write a lot about that
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at Yahoo. Take us in.
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We'll get to see Lamar Jackson potentially Thursday night on
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the road against Miami. The well, he was a full
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participant. Well, we're just, no, he wasn't
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a full participant for the first team.
21:51
He was with the scout team. And then of course, he doesn't
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play against the pairs. Just a lot of layers to that
21:56
story, Frank. Yeah, absolutely.
21:59
I mean, there's not honestly that many layers.
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I think there's one layer and it's just John Harbaugh and the
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Ravens lied. That's and they got caught.
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Like, OK, Like I don't buy this in any way, shape or form.
22:11
This Harbaugh. Like, oh, we just made a
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mistake. We didn't know even if that's
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true, but John Harbaugh's coach, what, 20 years by this point,
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like 1520, whatever is banned, that's not even an excuse.
22:24
Like this is not some rookie head coach who was like, oh, I
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didn't realize that the injury report was that way.
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You know better. And it was clear what they were
22:32
doing. They were just keeping it a
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secret for the Bears to. I mean, I don't think there's
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anything nefarious going on as far as gambling or anything like
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that goes, but on a week the the NBA was on the headlines for
22:43
insider information like you could and people say like, who
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cares? Yeah, Andrew was just for
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gamblers, blah blah. Well, the reason it matters is
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because everybody in that building knew Lamar Jackson
22:54
wasn't going to play. Everybody, every player,
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probably support staff, coaching staff, let's say conservatively,
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100 people knew Lamar Jackson was not going to play in that
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game pretty clearly, right? So all it takes is calling up
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your buddy and being like, hey, you know, you can get the Bears
23:12
right now at 6 + 6 1/2. That line's going to drop to -1
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1/2 on Saturday. That's insider information.
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That's what we're talking about. That's why these NBA guys are in
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trouble. So, so and or props or whatever,
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whatever bets you want to make against Lamar Jackson, once you
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know he is not going to play and again, the whole building knew
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that on Friday, it just becomes a fiasco.
23:36
And this whole thing, I think Atlanta Falcons did the same
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thing. They're not getting enough
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attention for it because there's this thing that happens at the
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Ravens just outright lied about the whole like full participant
23:47
practice. The Falcons just played the game
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of limited, limited, limited. His list is questionable on
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Friday and then we'll rule him out on Saturday.
23:55
Nothing changed on Saturday. Michael Pennock wasn't going to
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play. Like they didn't wake up on
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Saturday and say, actually, Michael Pennock looked really
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bad in practice the other day. No, they knew all week he wasn't
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going to play. That's that those kind of
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shenanigans can't happen anymore either.
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Like what the NFL gotten business gambling, which is
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fine. You know, I like that world.
24:13
You like that world. We're all in it.
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But part of the responsibility then is there are no more injury
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reports shenanigans. There are no opportunities for
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somebody in the Atlanta Falcons building to say, hey, I watched
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Kirk Cousins take first team reps the whole week.
24:28
Kirk's starting in this game is not Michael Pennix.
24:31
And that's again, insider information that they can't
24:34
happen when you start playing games with the injury report.
24:36
Sunday Night Football, I went into it as kind of a, you know,
24:39
I wanted both teams to show me which one was for real because I
24:42
didn't believe in the Steelers and I wasn't sure about the
24:45
Green Bay Packers. Yeah, I saw Week 1 and that
24:47
obviously was was eye opening. Love was unbelievable in this,
24:51
particularly in the second-half of that game.
24:52
What did you learn in Sunday Night Football when it comes to
24:55
both of the participants? Yeah, very interesting because
25:00
you're right. Like I mean, from through half
25:03
time of the Sunday night game, I just kept saying to myself,
25:06
where is that? Where is this Packers team?
25:08
For the first two weeks when I was sitting, I was pounding the
25:11
table for them saying this is the best team in football.
25:13
They're number one of my power rankings.
25:14
They are easily the best team. That team hasn't shown up since
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the middle of September and now we're struggling against the
25:20
Steelers team. Well, I'll be honest, I have no
25:22
respect for the Steelers. I, I don't think Steelers are
25:24
good football team. I I what do the Steelers do?
25:27
Well, their defense is really, really old and slow and they're
25:30
just getting torched by bad quarterbacks.
25:31
Not that Jordan loves a bad quarterback, but we give up 20
25:34
straight completions at home. That's just a bad defense
25:37
offensively. There's no explosive plays
25:39
except once in a while DK Metcalf gets free.
25:42
Not like they have Jonathan, like, Jalen Warren playing well,
25:44
but he's not like, is he Jonathan Taylor or anything like
25:46
that? So I don't think the Steelers do
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anything well, and I don't think they're going to win that
25:50
division. And yet the Packers were
25:52
struggling badly with them at halftime, and then all of a
25:56
sudden, Packers showed up. And yeah, I don't know if that's
25:58
necessarily a reflection on the Steelers or the Packers, but it
26:02
was good to see from the Packers to to reach that level again
26:06
where you're like, yes, for half of a football.
26:08
I saw that team that I was so high on for the first two weeks
26:11
of the season. We'll see if they can keep this
26:12
going because every week they play with their food.
26:15
Every week it's like, oh, let's we need a fourth down conversion
26:18
to beat the Arizona Cardinals like that.
26:20
That doesn't scream to me that you're one of the best teams in
26:22
football. But you look at the roster, you
26:24
look at their high end performances and you could see
26:27
it. I just want to see it over and
26:29
over and over and more consistently.
26:31
That's what great teams do. That's the next thing for the
26:33
Green Bay Packers to not just do it for a game.
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Two games, 1/2, but for a month straight just beat the heck out
26:40
of opponents. That's what we need to see next
26:42
from the Packers. North of our border, the Vikings
26:44
will turn back to JJ McCarthy after that weird ankle injury
26:48
that lingered for a long time. We find out Carson Wentz has
26:51
been playing with the dislocated shoulder on top of it, then a
26:55
torn labrum and fractured socket that happens in the game over
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the weekend. It's just one after another.
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And it feels like there's been a lot of weird injury stuff with
27:02
the Vikings. I don't think this is a KOC
27:04
problem or maybe even an organizational.
27:06
It almost seems like might be a team doctor that might be
27:09
getting in some trouble here. What a weird, weird situation
27:11
with Minnesota. And I guess we'll get to see now
27:13
with JJ McCarthy, because they have to.
27:16
Yeah, and that's the thing. And in some ways, and we talked
27:20
about this on podcasts with Andrew Siciliano yesterday,
27:24
Inside Coverage podcast, that in some ways, I think this takes
27:27
the pressure off of JJ McCarthy because there's nobody over her
27:30
shoulder anymore. And I get that like, you know, I
27:33
it, it would be, it would be a change.
27:36
McCarthy gets hurt. They're they're in a world,
27:38
they're in world trouble. Like they got to go to, you
27:41
know, to Max Bosner, who, you know, undrafted guy, who knows,
27:46
hey, I look good in preseason, but what does that mean?
27:48
But right now, performance wise, JJ McCarthy can go out there and
27:52
make some mistakes and not feel like anybody's going to be like,
27:54
well, maybe you should turn the Carson Wentz.
27:56
That option is off the table now.
27:57
So I think in some ways this helps McCarthy that he there's
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no pressure on him to to that he's going to get benched.
28:04
There's pressure on every NFL quarterback, but that he's going
28:07
to get benched or Carson wins or anything like this is going to
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happen. Just go play with a free mind.
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Whatever mistakes you're making, not going to yank for for Max
28:14
Brosner. And so we'll see what JJ
28:17
McCarthy has, but this Viking season slipping away quick.
28:20
It is really, really in in dire straits right now.
28:23
You look at their schedule coming up and it's like, well,
28:25
who do you beat? I think they got Lions this
28:27
week, if I'm not mistaken. I know the Packers are coming
28:29
up. Yeah, the Packers are coming up
28:31
really soon. Like, they have a lot of tough
28:34
games coming up. And all of a sudden you're like,
28:36
I don't see really the path out of this for the Vikings and
28:39
let's change it. Regard these just awesome, which
28:41
could be I mean, but I I keep saying Bonex started last
28:44
season, his work year. He was terrible for the first
28:47
moment and then he turned it on and became really good with a
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good coach. Well, that's what J has too.
28:51
So. But but right now, yeah, that
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Carson Wentz kind of being done for the season.
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Now have a look at JJ McCarthy and say, hey, Kate, all right,
29:00
let's see what you got. And I think that's a good thing
29:01
for the Minnesota Vikings, that over the long term.
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Yeah, they have to do it last thing, Frank, a week.
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Today is the NFL trade deadline. What are you expecting?
29:09
Are there going to be any big names like a Crosby, like a
29:12
Garrett, maybe a receiver or two?
29:14
An active tread deadline mean used to come and go like it was
29:17
nothing there about back in the day.
29:19
Now it's seemingly there. Might there, there, there might
29:22
be some moves made. What are you anticipating?
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Yeah, I think it's usually pretty quiet.
29:28
We make a big deal out of whoever gets traded because it's
29:31
fun and we like talking about trades and whatnot.
29:32
But it's usually like Amari Cooper goes with the Bills and
29:35
he ends up with like 100 yards like those type of trades like.
29:39
And so I think there's going to be some movement.
29:41
I think Jacoby Myers will get moved like moves like that.
29:45
Reese Halls very interesting because why would The Jets hold
29:47
on to him unless you're going to sign into an extension, what's
29:50
the point? So it gets get something out of
29:52
him while he can right now the one that the one that I'm really
29:55
kind of interested in is Trey Hendrickson because I think a
29:58
Bengal like on one hand, the Bengals can look and say AC N
30:02
stinks. Why can't we jump back into
30:04
this? But I think when you're at home
30:06
and you get torture, I think 500 yards by The Jets and Justin
30:09
Fields, like you just realize we're not a very good football
30:12
team. What are we doing?
30:13
Like let's Trey, Trey Hendrickson get something for
30:16
him while we can. So I think that's the prudent
30:19
movement. I don't know if the Bengals are
30:20
necessarily going to do it. I don't necessarily know if the
30:23
price they're asking everybody's going to pay that.
30:25
So I think he's the most interesting name.
30:27
That's the most interesting situation.
30:29
I think the second most interesting situation is just
30:31
what do the 49ers do? Because I can see it both ways.
30:35
The 49ers defense is good, not going to be good.
30:38
They just gave up 475 yards of the Texans who didn't even have
30:40
Nico columns. That offense, that Texans
30:42
offense has been bad most of the season and they torch the 49ers
30:45
who are without Bosa, without Warner.
30:47
So you're sitting there, you're John Lynch, you're Kyle
30:49
Shanahan, you're saying on one hand you're like, we're five and
30:52
three. We have a roster of guys who the
30:54
windows closing soon, Kittle, Trent Williams, McCaffrey, all
30:57
these guys are going to be gone very soon.
31:01
We need to chase this thing. On the other hand, you're saying
31:04
is 1 move really going to change the trajectory of our season,
31:07
make us a Super Bowl contender now we're giving up future draft
31:09
picks and we might be setting back our inevitable kind of
31:13
reload. I don't know what the 49ers do
31:15
and I'm fascinated to see how they approach the trade deadline
31:18
because I can see from both ways if they were like we're all in
31:20
because this group, we don't have much time left with all of
31:23
them. We need to maximize this now.
31:25
We're five and three. We're not in a bad position
31:26
record wise. I can understand that.
31:28
I can also understand the kind of stamp Pat and say we're not
31:32
fixing all of our problems with one trade.
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Trey Henderson doesn't even fix everything.
31:37
So I'm very interested to see what the 49ers do.
31:39
Excellent point on the Niners. Something to watch, no doubt.
31:41
Frank, thanks for doing this. We'll talk to you in the weeks
31:43
ahead. Thank you, Frank Schwab.
31:46
Absolutely. Appreciate it.
31:46
Yep. Good to talk to you.
31:47
Frank Schwab, yahoosports.com, as we check in in the NFL.
31:51
That's a really good point. But where, where do they go?
31:54
Do you think they're a Super Bowl team?
31:55
No, I don't either. They're five and two, but I
31:58
don't think they are. We'll take a time out.
32:00
We'll talk Hawks with Elliot Cleft, get some Intel into the
32:04
secret scrimmage against Texas Tech football stuff as well.
32:08
Miller and Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
32:11
I'm Millory convin welcome back. Coming up on well, it's just
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past 1245. Matt Snyder from lacbssports.com
32:19
kicks off hour number two on MLB.
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Elliott Cleft standing by in Iowa City.
32:24
Both coordinators meeting the press here.
32:26
Coming up at the top of the hour.
32:27
We get Elliott for a few minutes in advance of that Elliott
32:30
Trenton, Ken, thanks for coming on football momentarily.
32:33
Just just pick your brain. If you know anything pursuant to
32:37
the scrimmage against Texas Tech that was played last week, any
32:41
Intel come your way on that game?
32:43
What stood out? What they you know what maybe
32:45
worrisome? What have what have you gleaned
32:48
from people you've spoken with? Sure.
32:51
So mostly our Sean Bach got got that for us over at Hawkeye
32:55
Insider. Of course, Sean covers
32:57
recruiting for basketball, football as well for us.
33:00
But Tech, which not a huge deal considering they are the
33:06
preseason #10 team in the country have a lot more
33:09
continuity than this team considering all the moves with
33:12
the transfer portal and and all that.
33:14
Of course, that's the team that Drake sounds like Iowa had some
33:19
troubleshooting from deep. Still played a decent amount of
33:23
young guys and you know, as much as we can get from something
33:28
like that without being there. Sounds like, yeah, they
33:30
struggled to shoot from three, which is something that wouldn't
33:33
expect from this team considering Bennett starts
33:35
Brendan Housing on the roster and you've got some other young
33:38
guys that can can fill it up from three.
33:40
So yeah, you know, maybe, maybe some concern there, I guess.
33:44
But yeah, all things considered, it is still early.
33:48
They are playing Robert Morris for a reason next week.
33:51
Get get some, get get some things going.
33:54
But yeah, it dropped a loss. But again, not not a ton of
33:57
concern right now. Yeah.
33:59
And they'll have an opportunity to kind of ramp up into the
34:01
schedule. Here, is it more offensive or
34:04
defense? You mentioned mentioned the
34:05
shooting woes there and and that's a part of it, obviously.
34:08
What about on the defensive side of the ball?
34:10
What have you heard there? One thing that I did here, it
34:12
was an improvement from what they saw against Saint Louis,
34:14
but certainly not I don't think we're Ben McCollum and that
34:17
staff want them to be on the defensive end of the floor.
34:20
Right, Yeah. And I, I would imagine you're
34:22
still working on some some things in terms of communication
34:25
rotations, how you want to attack a pick and roll and such.
34:29
And of course they don't scout, you know, scrimmages.
34:31
So that has to the defensive effort and and scheme is going
34:37
to be contingent on who you're playing, when you're playing,
34:40
where you're playing. And you just don't know exactly
34:42
what everything's going to look like when you're facing the team
34:45
in a scrimmage. So presuming, and of course, you
34:47
know, I'm not saying that that fitness isn't there is a
34:51
problem, but who knows, maybe it is something to to continue to
34:55
work on as the the season goes along.
34:58
But thank you. But anyway, just something
35:03
something to maybe think about right now.
35:05
I mean, team still hasn't played a full 5 on five actual game.
35:08
So just something of note for now.
35:11
But yeah, again, I the last thing I'm I'm feeling right now
35:15
is concerned. Let's talk football, Trent, you
35:18
done basketball wise. Just let's go back to Saturday
35:20
night. Course, they're off this week,
35:23
they've won their last three and just a complete pasting of the
35:26
Gophers. Your take away from watching
35:28
Gronowski, what he did, Kumari Moulton Weijin continues to, you
35:33
know, stake his claim amongst the top punt returners or kick
35:36
returners in Hawkeye history. Your thoughts on the 41 to three
35:40
win over the Gophers? Yeah, to me, it's it's just a
35:45
complete actually what Kirk's parents want from his football
35:49
team. Dominance in all three phases is
35:51
what we saw on Saturday against Minnesota from, like you said,
35:55
region. Gronowski, the passing attack,
35:57
the run game defence is awesome. You get that interception from
36:00
Zach Lummer. I'm assuming you guys know this,
36:03
but in case anybody's listening who might not that was there
36:07
were two touchdowns by two kids from the same high school in
36:10
northwest Iowa on Saturday between Zach Luttmer and Reese
36:14
Vanderzee, both from central Lyon, George Little Rock of
36:17
power up there in northwest Iowa.
36:19
So it's pretty cool. I I I'd be curious to to find
36:22
out the last time that happened that, you know, haven't been an
36:26
OABCIG graduate myself. I'm pretty proud of of what
36:30
Cooper was able to do and and his time Cooper de Jean was able
36:33
to do here, but got got to be proud up there if you're from
36:36
central Lion. But anyway, I'm.
36:37
Glad you brought that up. I did not know that I'm.
36:39
I'm glad you mentioned that. There you go.
36:41
Well, all things considered, just just about as perfect game
36:44
as as one can have in in in that moment.
36:48
Of course, things to clean up. I'm I'm sure Mark, in my
36:51
opinion, Mark has still been a little bit late on some throws,
36:54
some overthrows. You want to clean that up.
36:57
He's hoping he can be 100% by Oregon and of course that that
37:00
would hopefully, you know, change some things on the
37:02
throws. Kamari Moulton, man, he is just
37:05
like 1 shoestring tackle away from a big game or from a big
37:08
gain or, or a touchdown every game it seems like.
37:11
And and and multiple times and going back and reviewing the
37:14
film. That was one thing.
37:16
The other thing to mention about Lutmer too, is Phil Parker
37:20
showing off some of his, his knowledge on the defensive side
37:23
of the, the field when they're running a traditional 4/3 and
37:26
they don't have a cash out there, they've got 3
37:28
linebackers. Parker's putting Zach Lummer at
37:31
cornerback out there with TJ Hall.
37:33
So it's, it's a move to keep one of your best players on the
37:35
field. And, and I noticed that in the
37:37
rewatch. I thought that was, that was
37:39
awesome. And, and to, you know, mention
37:41
the other Central Lion player, Reese had that awesome catch in
37:44
the corner of the end zone. I just don't see anybody else on
37:47
this roster doing that right now, maybe other than Dayton
37:49
Howard, who wasn't available. But getting Reefs back is huge
37:53
and and seems like he's really hit his stride now.
37:55
You know, this defense was frankly for Iowa standards bad
37:58
in the first month of the season.
37:59
You go back to what we saw, different portions of it.
38:02
Even against Albany, there were stretches.
38:04
But here they are and they're playing at an elite level once
38:07
again. One thing that that I was
38:09
reminded of, Phil Parker talked about maybe having to change the
38:12
some things up because of the way that they were tackling
38:14
early in the season. Maybe follow that one away for
38:17
next season. But what has it been?
38:19
What what do you think is the key to this defense seemingly
38:21
turning around and and becoming once again an elite level
38:24
defense? I I think chemistry and having
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played actual games on the field together is something that's
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incredibly underrated right now because while this team had
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there were veterans, they weren't experienced, if that
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makes sense. Because you go down the line
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with Jackson, Rex Roth, now Jayden Montgomery, who has been
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awesome in, in stepping into that Mike linebacker roll,
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Carson Shire, then to Cohen entering her and and, and, and
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like as Zach Lummer lumber got to play a little bit last year
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and and got probably more experience than a red shirt
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freshman typically does. But now they're starting to find
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some cohesiveness. They're starting to obviously
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turn the ball over. That's that's massive.
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And the the execution I think is there.
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And honestly, like Montgomery has been a huge part of that.
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His ability to read and react, I think has been better than
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Jayden Harrells was. His ability to just make the
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play when it's presented to him, trust his eyes, trust his his
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film study has that's been massive.
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And you know, another thing, I think Xavier Wampa has really
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started to fill his his shoes in that free safety spot.
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He is laying the wood out there on some of these hits.
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And and TJ Hall, I I mean, he was great from the beginning of
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the season, but he's really just elite finally got that first
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interception. Desean Lee is playing well.
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Yeah. I mean, and I think that it's
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silly. It's kind of coach speak, but
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but confidence is a big part of that too.
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Like they've been able to hold these these pretty, pretty good
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teams to incredibly like Minnesota could do nothing,
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nothing against Iowa on Saturday.
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The only reason they got in Iowa territory for that field goal
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was 3 penalties. That's the only reason it should
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have been 41 zero. This defense is playing like one
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of the best in the country right now and you know, at the
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beginning of the season. And it would have been very
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easy, especially with the way Dante Moore started the year, to
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say up that's another blowout top ten team coming to Kennick.
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They're going to, I mean, you know, a lot of these games,
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these top 25 games haven't been at Kennick, but it was just a
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feel of Oregon's going to come to town and and beat the crap
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out of them. And you don't feel that way
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anymore at all. And a lot of it is because of
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this defense. Wish it was this week.
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That's my only. Yeah.
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Keep that momentum going, Elliot.
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Cliff, Elliot, thanks for doing this.
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So we appreciate it. We will talk to you next week.
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Thank you, Elliot. Sounds good.
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Thanks guys. Yep, thank you.
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hawkeyeinsider.com 24/7 Sports. By the way, Sam Levitt out for
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Arizona State. Jeff Sims gets the call, so.
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Campbell was pumping some sunshine up as.
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He ever coach speak? Uh huh.
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Hour 2. We'll head to LA to kick it off.
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Miller and Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.