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How To Identify Your Personal Recession · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on Gadigal land. Always was, always
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  Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal land.
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  Speaker 2: Hey chicks, I'm Al. And I'm Sal. And this is
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  Speaker 2: Two Broke Chicks, the show that shares life lessons and
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  Speaker 2: tips to help make you rich in life. And today
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  Speaker 2: we have a bit of a different episode coming for you.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking what is a recession? Why should you care?
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  Speaker 2: But also, could you be in a personal recession? What
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  Speaker 2: does that mean? How to identify the parts of your
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  Speaker 2: life that are maybe recessing a little bit, giving recessive vibes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And how to get out of it. How to cultivate
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  Speaker 2: your own personal economy. Love that. Exactly. But before we
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  Speaker 2: get into it, Sally, my little slick bun, slimy girl.
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  Speaker 2: I was like trying to find something new. Something I
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  Speaker 2: could work in there with. That's okay. I haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: a slick bun on you in ages. I was thrown.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I like it. It looks good. I like
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  Speaker 2: the spiky bits. Yeah, it's very 2000s, the spikes.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I've been saying, you know, I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to practice what I preach, not wearing the sleep bun
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  Speaker 1: too much. I think I was relying on it a
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  Speaker 1: little too much. My hairline was feeling it. What is
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  Speaker 1: your obsession of the week?
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  Speaker 2: Tell me.
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  Speaker 1: My obsession of the week is a new Instagram creator
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  Speaker 1: that I've stumbled across. And her name is Marina Didovich,
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  Speaker 1: I believe is how you pronounce her name.
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  Speaker 2: I'll put a link in the show notes.
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  Speaker 1: But she's a fashion stylist and self-proclaimed shopping addict. But
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  Speaker 1: I really love she creates content. She creates a lot
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  Speaker 1: of like style and fashion and trend based content if
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  Speaker 1: that's something that you're interested in. But one thing I
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  Speaker 1: really love that she does is she has this series
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  Speaker 1: and she'll be like if you like this kind of
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  Speaker 1: aesthetic and it's like a whole group.
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  Speaker 2: Of photos and if you like this kind of aesthetic.
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  Speaker 1: This is what you can look up on like vintage
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  Speaker 1: and secondhand platforms to find it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I like that. Oh, I've seen this. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 2: saw this and I saved it and I was like
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  Speaker 2: that's cool. Yeah. Cause I'm like, sometimes there's things and
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  Speaker 2: you're like, how do I describe that?
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  Speaker 1: And there might be a certain, like, and most of
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  Speaker 1: the time there is a certain term, whether it's like
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  Speaker 1: the aesthetic or the literal definition of like the type
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  Speaker 1: of item that it is and the way that it's
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  Speaker 1: woven or the colors or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm like. How do I?
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  Speaker 1: And then I'm putting it into eBay and, like, it's
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  Speaker 1: not giving me. Try colored bead bag, red, green, blue.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah. But she has, like, all of that fashion
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  Speaker 2: and style knowledge. She has, like, the keywords that you
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  Speaker 2: need to know. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's got the keywords that you can pop in,
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  Speaker 1: which I feel like is really helpful if you're going on, like,
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  Speaker 1: a secondhand shop or even if you're looking on Pinterest
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  Speaker 1: and you just want to find inspo.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. Because, yeah, sometimes I'm, like, I'm typing in and I'm, like,
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  Speaker 2: this is not. And I know I'm barking up the
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  Speaker 2: wrong tree.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know which tree I need to like find.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I love that. Very helpful. What's your obsession? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: my obsession of the week is a fake tan hack
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  Speaker 2: that it's a product if you need to get your
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  Speaker 2: fake tan off in like two minutes and under.
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  Speaker 1: I think this has changed my life. So I actually
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  Speaker 1: have seen this on TikTok for years and.
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  Speaker 2: I've never bought it because it is $ 67. Damn.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And for $ 67, I didn't want it to be good
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  Speaker 2: because I didn't want to have to repurchase it. But
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  Speaker 2: for $ 67, I wanted it to be good. Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 2: It's a battle. You know? It's a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: column A, a little bit of column B. Anyway, it's
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  Speaker 2: the Rose and Caramel 60 Second Tan Remover. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck me, that thing works.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Look at me. Where's the tan? Where's
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  Speaker 2: the tan? What the fuck? I... I am as pale
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  Speaker 2: as the day I was born. And it's not patchy either. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's not patchy. Like it literally got my tan off
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  Speaker 2: in two minutes and I was able to keep all
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  Speaker 2: the layers of my skin. So how do you like
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  Speaker 2: use it? So basically it's in this like tub and
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  Speaker 2: it looks questionable. Like it's greyish.
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  Speaker 1: And, yeah, there's, like, there's something that's coming in my
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  Speaker 1: brain that's, like, grey slop from, like, some Disney movie.
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  Speaker 2: Is it The Sword in the Stone?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be that or it could be Try
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  Speaker 1: the Grey Stuff, It's Delicious from Beauty and the Beast.
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  Speaker 2: Or I'm thinking of– There's some, like, picture of, like,
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  Speaker 2: grey food in, like, a Disney movie that's, like.
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  Speaker 1: Not good.
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  Speaker 2: The Gruel from The Simpsons, the Krusty Brand imitation gruel. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it does look like that as well. Anyway, it looks
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  Speaker 2: kind of crazy. And you put it on your skin,
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  Speaker 2: your dry skin– for 60 seconds to three minutes, which
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  Speaker 2: is great because some of the tan removers I've tried
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  Speaker 2: in the past, it's like, now walk around naked for
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  Speaker 2: 10 minutes. And I'm like, I'm scared. And your skin
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  Speaker 2: starts to feel all tingly. Literally. I'm naked and afraid
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  Speaker 2: in my own apartment, which is something that I don't
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  Speaker 2: enjoy being. So 60 seconds, I think I had it
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  Speaker 2: on for two minutes, right? Then you get in and
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  Speaker 2: you use like a mitt and you scrub it off.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is like it lathered, like it lathers up. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know if this is working
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  Speaker 2: because I felt like it just would lather up and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know if this is actually
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  Speaker 2: doing anything. I put my leg under to rinse it off.
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  Speaker 2: All gone. All gone. Bye-bye. Okay. I think I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to have to get this. You can try some of
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  Speaker 2: mine before you invest to see if you like it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm influenced, I feel. I was like, what the hell?
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  Speaker 2: And then, because I was like, is this propaganda? When
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing everyone talk about it online, I'm like, is
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  Speaker 2: you just trying to send me to your Amazon storefront?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Are you just trying to get that three bucks commission?
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  Speaker 2: And because it's really hard to find a good tan remover.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. And like, I do also really like the
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  Speaker 2: Bondi Sands one if you want a more affordable option
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  Speaker 2: as well. I do think that one is a good one.
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  Speaker 2: But this one, I just really didn't have to work.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I want. I don't have time to scrub
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  Speaker 2: down to my skeleton. Yeah, like it didn't hurt. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that's the thing as well. It is really painful. And I'm, like,
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  Speaker 2: red raw being, like, and, like, all patchy. I look
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  Speaker 2: like a Christmas chicken before it gets cooked. Like, when
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  Speaker 2: I am coming out of the shower being, like, why
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  Speaker 2: do I do this? Yeah, please, I just want to
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  Speaker 2: be hot and tan. Seriously. And so I was, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: my God. Love it. And it has... 4.1 stars on
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  Speaker 2: Amazon out of 1,400 reviews. So I really liked it.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it did a good job. Like, look at
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  Speaker 2: my leg. That's crazy. Right? I would usually be like...
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  Speaker 2: And I had like a fresh tan on. So it's good.
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  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 1: It's good.
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  Speaker 2: It's done. It's good. Gorgeous. There you go. All right.
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  Speaker 2: So what is a recession? We wanted to do this
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  Speaker 2: episode because... I feel like this word is thrown around
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  Speaker 2: a lot on social media. Like we see things like
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  Speaker 2: the lipstick index or like hemlines are getting longer. That
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  Speaker 2: means a recession is coming or like X signs we're
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  Speaker 2: entering a recession. Recession indicators. Recession indicators. Before we start,
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  Speaker 2: Australia is not in a recession. This episode is not
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  Speaker 2: designed to scare anyone or make anyone feel like doom
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  Speaker 2: is impending. And I really want to start by that. Like,
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  Speaker 2: That is not happening right now. But I kind of
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  Speaker 2: was sitting here being like, I feel like I've seen
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  Speaker 2: this word so much. And I'm kind of like, what
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  Speaker 2: does it mean?
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  Speaker 1: It's one of those terms that's like thrown around a lot.
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  Speaker 2: But I think a lot of us don't really have
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  Speaker 2: an understanding of what it actually is.
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  Speaker 1: So I kind of wanted to do an intro of
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  Speaker 1: like what is a recession?
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  Speaker 2: What does the word actually mean? In literal terms. In
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  Speaker 2: literal terms because I think that allows us, one, to
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  Speaker 2: not get scared every time it's thrown around online as well.
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  Speaker 2: Understanding what something is means that, you know, you have
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  Speaker 2: a better way of looking at it and knowing how
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  Speaker 2: it applies to you. Yeah, exactly. And that way you
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  Speaker 2: can kind of tell when something's just like, they've just
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  Speaker 2: put the word recession in it. If it's fear mongering. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just to scare you just to get views. Yeah. Essentially. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But then it was– I was like– and then we
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  Speaker 2: were kind of thinking like, but you know what? You
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  Speaker 2: can actually feel your own like personal recessions. And there's
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  Speaker 2: even ways that, you know, how can you look at
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  Speaker 2: your own life and where are you feeling like you're
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  Speaker 2: missing things or you want to work on more or
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  Speaker 2: whatever that is and what are the signs you're in
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  Speaker 2: a personal recession, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 1: Like a bit of a rut. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know? And how to get yourself out of the personal–
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  Speaker 2: The personal recession or rut. Yeah. Love it. You know? So–
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  Speaker 2: What is a recession and why should you care? It's
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  Speaker 2: a financial term that's thrown around a fair bit by politicians,
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  Speaker 2: but what does it actually mean and how does it
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  Speaker 2: impact us is that in basic terms, a recession is
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  Speaker 2: when a country's economy stops growing and instead starts shrinking
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  Speaker 2: for a prolonged period of time. At the same time
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  Speaker 2: that this is happening, the unemployment rate is also rising
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  Speaker 2: and So, aka, no economic growth and more people out
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  Speaker 2: of work. Not fun. Yeah. Not fun. Not good vibes.
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  Speaker 1: And in Australia, we measure this by looking at the
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  Speaker 1: total value of all goods and services that we provide
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  Speaker 1: in the country. And this is called real gross domestic product.
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  Speaker 1: If it falls for two consecutive quarters.
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  Speaker 2: Then we're in a recession.
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  Speaker 1: And like we were saying at the top, recessions do
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  Speaker 1: sound really scary. I think when we hear recession, we
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  Speaker 1: think like, the Great Depression or like the 2008 recession.
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  Speaker 1: And they do sound scary, but yeah, not all of
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  Speaker 1: them are. Sometimes they do only last for a few
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  Speaker 1: months and other times they are a bit more serious
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  Speaker 1: and can last for a year or more. And we're
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  Speaker 1: also not downplaying like that very real stress and impact
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  Speaker 1: that recessions or even just any sort of like economic
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  Speaker 1: volatility can have.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Because... In a.
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  Speaker 1: Broad sense, during a recession, a few very noticeable things
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  Speaker 1: can happen.
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  Speaker 2: Businesses close down.
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  Speaker 1: Workers can lose their jobs, banks take control of more
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  Speaker 1: mortgages and homes than usual. And then, like you were saying, because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe unemployment is rising and because people aren't
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  Speaker 1: earning as much money, They're feeling the pinch and therefore
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  Speaker 1: not spending as much as we usually would and not
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  Speaker 1: stimulating the economy. And then that actually slows down the
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  Speaker 1: economy even more. It's like a vicious cycle. So to
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  Speaker 1: stimulate the economy, you need people both buying and selling things.
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  Speaker 2: Without buyers, you don't have sellers.
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  Speaker 1: So like it's a cyclical kind of problem. I thought
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  Speaker 1: you said sick little problem.
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  Speaker 2: It's a sick little freak. It's a sick little problem.
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  Speaker 2: It is a sick little problem. And I was really like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 2: It is. Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: But, yeah, and you also mentioned that, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: the recession, you know, obviously there is the conversation about, like,
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  Speaker 1: people earning less money, people spending less money, but there's, like,
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  Speaker 1: other indicators that are that people do say that this
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  Speaker 1: is happening, a recession is coming, which is really interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And one of them, and one of the most popular ones,
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  Speaker 1: is the Lipstick Index. So during the early 2000s recession,
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  Speaker 1: chairman of Estee Lauder, Leonard Lauder, coined the term after
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  Speaker 1: noticing that when overall consumer spending dropped and big ticket
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  Speaker 1: items remained unsold, Estee Lauder actually sold more lipsticks. Because
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  Speaker 1: consumers were buying smaller, low-cost treats like a lipstick as
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  Speaker 1: a source of emotional comfort when they were feeling some
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  Speaker 1: of that economic turmoil and couldn't, say, put money towards
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  Speaker 1: a house.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, I'll buy a lipstick instead.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The other one was recession pop.
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  Speaker 1: So in the late noughties between 2007 to 2014, we
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  Speaker 1: had an era of recession pop.
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  Speaker 2: When the world was knee-deep in a recession, pop music
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  Speaker 2: upped everything. The BPM to induce positive emotions with songs
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  Speaker 2: like Far West Movement's Like a G6 to Lady Gaga's
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  Speaker 2: Just Dance, which also bangers. Honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Why were we like 15 years old singing Like a G6?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly. Like our life depended on it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was the hottest fucking shit in the world. Bring
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  Speaker 2: it back. Also, like, uncomfortable. Like, stop. You know? I know.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'll be like, kids these days and the things
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  Speaker 2: they're consuming meanwhile I'm watching Dirty and being like, perfect. Seriously,
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  Speaker 2: I was singing Rude Boy in the front of my
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  Speaker 2: car by Rihanna when I was like 12 years old
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  Speaker 2: and my mum's like, what?
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: It's something we all have to go through. Canon event.
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  Speaker 2: Canon event. I can't interfere. Seriously. But.
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  Speaker 1: It also happened similarly after the Great Depression with the
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  Speaker 1: rise of disco in the 70s and 80s. But the
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  Speaker 1: other one that I also have seen is that a
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  Speaker 1: recession indicators that men buy less underwear.
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  Speaker 2: What? Yeah. So apparently they like, you know, just reuse
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  Speaker 2: their Spiderman mask with like a 17 holes in it
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  Speaker 2: and they don't buy, you know, new underwear. Because they
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  Speaker 2: just keep using like the old one was one that
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  Speaker 2: I also saw that I was like, oh. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody check your boyfriend's undies. Yeah. Babe, did you buy
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  Speaker 2: undies this month? Yeah, fuck the news. If there's holes
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  Speaker 2: in the Calvins. Men just need to buy new undies
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  Speaker 2: more in general. They do. They're like, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why they get like emotionally attached to their underwear. I
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  Speaker 2: tried to throw out a pair of my boyfriend's underwear
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  Speaker 2: the other week. Genuinely. And he nearly had a conniption.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's not even in the room.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Rob, I literally put my whole arm
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  Speaker 1: through the hole.
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  Speaker 2: I got my whole arm. I know the gesture I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing right now. Oh, I like it. Okay. I literally
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  Speaker 2: just had to zoom out and be like, I got
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  Speaker 2: my whole arm through the hole. I'm like, wait, are
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  Speaker 2: we still talking about the undies? No, seriously. I got
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  Speaker 2: my whole forearm through this fucking hole in these undies.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like. This isn't good. Maybe he likes
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  Speaker 2: the breeze. No. And then I was like, I'm throwing
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  Speaker 2: them out. And he was like, no, don't. My emotional
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  Speaker 2: support undies. I was like, what could you need these for?
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  Speaker 2: They're not doing anything. You might as well just have
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  Speaker 2: your dick out. Yeah, full command. Seriously. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: in what world? And then I literally put them in
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  Speaker 2: the middle and he took them out. So I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what that's telling us. So recession. Yeah, no. We're
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  Speaker 2: all fucked. I think, yeah, they're just men are weird.
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  Speaker 1: So now we understand, I guess, the context of what
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  Speaker 1: a literal recession is.
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  Speaker 2: We wanted to talk about a personal recession. And I
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  Speaker 2: think it's important to have that differentiation of what an
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  Speaker 2: actual recession is before we get into your personal recession.
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  Speaker 2: Because a personal recession, there's no.
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  Speaker 1: Scientific backing to that, right? And I want everyone to know.
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  Speaker 2: That recessions as their definition, are a very serious thing. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and we're not downplaying that. Yes. But you can also
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  Speaker 2: feel like you're having a personal recession, and that has
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with the economy. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: A personal recession refers to the economy of your own life.
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  Speaker 1: and parts of your life that used to be growing
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  Speaker 1: but are now contracting. And similar to an economic recession,
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  Speaker 1: there may be no single big crash kind of moment.
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  Speaker 1: It can be a slow decline across a few key
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  Speaker 1: indicators until one day you notice that overall you're operating
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  Speaker 1: at a loss and it has that kind of domino effect.
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  Speaker 2: And similarly, these things can last a long period of
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  Speaker 2: time or they can last a couple of months. And
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  Speaker 2: the key is being able to identify where you may
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  Speaker 2: feel as though your personal economy is starting to contract.
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  Speaker 2: And these can be in a couple of categories. So
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  Speaker 2: the first one is motivation and ambition. So if you're
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  Speaker 2: having trouble making decisions, focusing on tasks or feeling motivated,
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  Speaker 2: this may be a sign that you're experiencing ego depletion.
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  Speaker 2: And there is actually a theory coined by Roy Baumeister. Baumeister?
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  Speaker 2: Come on, Roy. He explains that self-control is like a
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  Speaker 2: muscle and it can get fatigued from overuse. And I
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  Speaker 2: actually think you could apply this to self-awareness as well.
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  Speaker 2: There is such a thing as being too self-aware and
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  Speaker 2: where you start feeling the need to police and be
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  Speaker 2: conscious of every single thing that you do. And that
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: can also be like a bit of a zap to
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: your motivation or you start feeling scared to do anything
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: because you're like, well, what if I do the wrong thing, right?
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: So if you've really been locked in and powering through
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: a stressful full-on week, your brain can start to feel
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: like it has less discipline to give by the end
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: of the day. So it's not a character flaw. It's
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: basically a battery problem. Like you're running on low, girl. Yeah, exactly.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: The petrol light is on.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's interesting because I think– well, according to
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: this theory and this study, the solve for that ego
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: depletion or your motivation recession is kind of counterintuitive because
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: it's actually to rest and to give yourself permission to
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: switch off and like setting those boundaries and time blocking
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: your tasks and not going like.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Full throttle all the time.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Because I think people see those as indicators of like,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I'm a really motivated, hardworking person. But the thing is,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: is that you crash and burn. So the solve for
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: this is actually giving yourself permission to stop and rest,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: which I thought was really interesting. Another recession, personal recession
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: indicator is a friendship recession. So when life gets really
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: busy and sometimes like the last thing that you want
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: to do on the weekend or after work is socialize.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Which is so relatable. It can feel really, really exhausting.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, for example, if you found that you've stopped
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: reaching out or initiating plans, you might be experiencing a
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: friendship recession.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: And I do think that.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Like a friendship recession can look a lot of ways,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: but I do think that that's one of the common
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: signs that I think a lot of our chicks could.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Probably relate to.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: And one solve for this is calling your friends. Yeah,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, I feel like the solve
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: is vulnerability.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: And I agree. Sometimes I think we've lost the art
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: of vulnerability a little bit. Yeah. And being like, ah, shit. Yeah.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I think a little as well. I was reading this
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: post from an Instagram page and it was like we've
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: thrown around the word like toxic a little bit too
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: much as well. Like some things aren't toxic. They're just uncomfortable. Yeah.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Therapy speak. Yeah. You really liked that, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah. Um,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: so like someone saying no to you, isn't them being toxic.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: It's like setting a boundary or someone saying like, you know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: when you said something hurt their feelings, isn't like being toxic. It's,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: you know, someone being vulnerable and wanting to share and
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: connect with you. Yeah. Or saying that like, I'm going
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: through a hard time. That's why I haven't reached out
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: to you. Or maybe that's why I've been a little
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: bit distant.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing, like we've used therapy
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: speak to basically I do think it's important as well.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: And I do think there are very toxic friendships out there.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Totally. But is it toxic or is it uncomfortable? Yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: And maybe vulnerability is like the antidote there. Yeah, exactly.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And I saw an interesting article published in The Cut
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the other day and the headline was something like, we
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: should be allowed to cold call our friends.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: And that, well, it caught my eye. I'm teasing because
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: you do let me call you now. Yes.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: But that is one of my like– I won't say
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: toxic traits, but it's one of my little hang-ups, pun intended,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: is that I don't, is that if I get like
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: a call out of the blue, I freak the fuck out.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but is that also because you're like, what's happened?
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Is everything okay?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: But that's kind of what she was pointing out in
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: this article, that she was like, in the last 20 years,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: there's sort of like a new boundary that has been
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: popped up that it's no longer appropriate to just like
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: call a friend.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. um and talk and i do think that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Like my personal preference is to like send a text
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and be like hey are you free want to give
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: you a quick call to.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Chat i don't know i feel like that could potentially
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: stress me out too yeah it has to have it
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: has to have i want to have a giggle just
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: want to just want to have a yarn like everything's
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: okay because someone texts me and they go hey can
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: i call you yeah i'm like what i'm like someone's
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: fucked it's all over she hates.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Me yeah true it kind of sounds like a we
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: need to talk but yeah it was really interesting because
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: she was saying that she you know has felt this
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: boundary within her friendships and as a result like you
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: know they text each other but she was like I've
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: actually flipped it and I've started cold calling my friends
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and we have these little chats that don't go for
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: long but we have these little catch-ups and Contrary to
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: popular belief, it actually was way less.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Demanding on her energy and her social battery. I couldn't
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: agree more. Than lobbing texts back and forth. I could
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: not agree more because as like I forget to reply
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: to texts all the time and it's just like how
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: my brain works. Yeah. And it's not from a– it's
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: never coming from a perspective of that like I don't
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: want to respond to the person. Yeah. And so like
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that is such– and I think that's a very prominent
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: thing that a lot of people go to like, I
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: remember seeing a meme of a cake once and it
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: was like, sorry, I forgot to reply to your text.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: And I had like a hundred thousand likes. And I
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, see, I'm not alone. That like my,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: one of my long distance best friends and I call
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: every morning. Like, and it's not, it's not Bible either,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: but it's like when I'm in the car on the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: way to work, I'll like give her a call. And
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: we talk like 10 minutes a day.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: And it's so much, you might be like talking 10
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: minutes a day because we do not talk about catching up.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: We're not like, oh, how's, It makes it so much
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: easier to actually keep in touch. Like we actually just
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: talk like a smack.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Like the whole morning and it's so much easier. But
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I will say, this might be a hot take, I
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: think a cold call is a lot more polite. Like
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: cold calling your friends is more polite than sending them
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: a four-minute voice note. Yes. I agree. I think sending
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: a four-minute plus voice note is actually more rude than
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: than calling a friend out of the blue. I agree.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Because the other person can't even interact. It's very much
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: like you sit here and you listen to what I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: have to say without giving any sort of insight or
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: back and forth. Because I'm like, what the fuck am
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I getting from this? Sometimes it's good if, like, I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: tried to call you, it's easier to just send the thing.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's fine. Voice notes aren't illegal in my books.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Voice notes are fine. No. And, like, four minutes may
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: be fine because that can go quickly. But if you're sending, like,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: a seven to ten– To 15-minute voice note. I'm not
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: listening to that.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: And as somebody who hosts a podcast, like, that's a
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: podcast episode.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: That's a podcast. That's not a voice note. And, like,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I want to talk to you. Yeah, I want to
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: throw my. I want to talk to you. So, like,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: let's lock in a time. Like, call me. Yeah, I agree.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Call me. Don't send me. And, like, if it's a
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: video and I have to watch it. That's a double whammy. Like,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: that's not okay. That's not okay. Yeah, I agree. And
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: do you know what? Every friendship has their own love
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: language that there will be friends that are like, No,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: we voice note and we love it and that's fine.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: But I– no. No, I find it very one-sided. Like,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: bin the voice note, bring back the cold call. Yeah. Because, like, you–
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I just feel so much more connected– When there's someone
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: actually on the other side of the phone. Yeah. And
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I'm having a conversation. If you need to send like
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a 10 minute voice note, I don't know, I've rolled
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: myself up now. Like you probably need to like, that's
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: probably you needing to vent something. Like that's very real
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and very valid. Yeah. But like maybe journal. Totally. And
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: then call your friend.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree. I agree. I don't know if this
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: is like a hot take. I'd love to hear what
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the chicks think. If you disagree, it's fine. Totally. Don't
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: tell me. Also, you don't have our numbers, so that's fine. Yeah,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and that's the thing. There will be friends. We have
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: a friend.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Who I love dearly who doesn't, but the thing is
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: she gets distracted.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Halfway through the voice note, she'll be like, oh, lads.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And she'll know it's her now.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: And she'll be like, oh, lads, you'll never guess what happened.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I was walking down the street and then, what's that? Wait,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: does that take everyone? Oh, no, I think I forgot
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: my sunglasses at home. I've got to go back home now. Oh,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I've got to go all the way up the stairs.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: And she starts narrating her life. And I'd just reply
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: and I'd be like, I'm not fucking listening to that. Yeah,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I literally will be like, girl, girl, what's the TLDR
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: of this? Half the time, if there is a voice
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: note that is longer than like seven minutes, I'm just
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: reading the preview. If it's longer than 30 seconds, I'm
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: reading the preview. I'm reading the preview. Personally. And then
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: if I'm like, what's that word? Okay, fine. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Hot take. Hot take. I love it. Okay. So confidence recession.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Do you regularly talk yourself out of speaking up in
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: a meeting or maybe you overqualify everything you say, which
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: is like, this might be a dumb question. If so,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: you may be experiencing a confidence recession.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the solve here is to use the self-efficacy formula.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So psychologist Albert Bandura's research has researched a formula for
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: confidence called the self-efficacy theory.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: It focuses on specific situations or challenges rather than overall confidence.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Because if we're going through life being like, you know what?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'm confident. I'm going to be confident today.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: That's not going to fucking happen. You can't just flip
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: a switch. Especially if you're like a naturally kind of insecure,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: anxious person. Like that is really, really hard. Yeah. So
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: he identifies four main sources of self-efficacy that can help
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: boost confidence. And again, things like this is a journey.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Like Recessions don't disappear overnight. Yeah. You know, they can
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: take a little bit of time. They can take a
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: little bit of massaging, a bit of work. So performance accomplishment,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: aka mastery, successfully completing a task builds belief in future success.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Number two is vicarious experience, aka modeling. Watching peers or
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: role models succeed increases your own confidence. I like that
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: because I think that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Like, well, I would have thought that, oh, no, that
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: will make me feel bad about myself. Potentially.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I think that's the way you look at it. Exactly. Like,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I think you can look at, like, it is perspective. Like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: if you look at someone doing something you want to
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: do and you're leaning, like, you can choose to either
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: lean into jealousy and being like, oh, I could never
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Or that should be me or, yeah, like that. Or
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: you can look at it being like, wow, there's someone
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: else out there doing it. That means there's going to
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: be opportunities for me to do it too.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: And that's like flipping it on the head and getting
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: out of the, and I say this word wrong every time, scarcity. Scarcity.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Which one is it? It's either, but I think scarcity
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: is more Australian. Scarcity is maybe the more British. Do
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: you know what I realize it is? It's because I
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: also say masturbating.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I know. I know.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: There's certain words that you do the more posh, whereas
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I'm so bogan that.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like masturbating. No, but like I'm masturbating. Scarcity. Scarcity. Scarcity. Fuck,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I did it wrong. No, I don't know who I am.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe it is scarcity. No, I think I've just said
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: it that many times that we're like confused. Tomato, tomato. No,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: my mum literally even was giggling about it on the
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: phone to me the other day. She's like, do you
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: know the other thing you say wrong? And I'm like,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: add it to the fucking list. Add it to the
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: fucking list. And who taught me how to speak? You. Exactly.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: The call is coming from inside the house. I actually
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: had to go to like a speech therapist when I
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: was little because I couldn't say things at the back
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: of my mouth. So if I was saying cat, I
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: would say tat. Bless you. If I was saying guitar,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I would say titto. I like that. I know. Titties.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: So number three, verbal persuasion, a.k.a. social receiving positive feedback, encouragement,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: and coaching from credible sources strengthens self-belief. And number four,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: emotional arousal. That's it. No, no, I'm kidding. So managing stress, anxiety,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: and physical reactions improves confidence. Kind of like exposure. Yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Exposure therapy a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: And I like all of those things because I feel
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: like they are things that are achievable but also it's
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: like some things are things that you can do and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: then other things it's like you are relying on other
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: people and like the support. So I think that is
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: part of it. Like to boost your confidence you have
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to do the work but you can also get the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: support of people around you.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: And we've got two more. Mm-hmm.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Creativity recession so this refers to when ideas that used
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to come easily now feel forced or derivative of previous
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: ideas that you've had before or it could be abandoning
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: something before you even start or before it's finished because
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you feel like the idea isn't good enough or maybe
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: you feel like you're just constantly consuming and not really
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: producing or creating anything and also it could even just
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: be like losing that feeling of playfulness and joy that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: is supposed to come with creativity and you've lost that
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: like low stakes experimentation that comes with creativity because you're
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: like no everything must perform every single thing I do
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: must be good and perfect and as good as the
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: last thing that I've done.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: There's like optimization sickness yeah actually like that everything must
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: be the most like optimal way of doing something.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: It must be perfect in quotation mask well fuck it
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: whatever um i'm being creative But the solve is that
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: quantity breeds quality. So I read this study that was
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: described in Art and Fear and it described a ceramics
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: class and a study that they did.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: We should do one of those. We should. I feel
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: like we would have like a ghost moment. I was
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: just laughing. Did you see? Did you see my face?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I started smiling. We can fuck a horny ghost. It's
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: not cheating if it's with a ghost. No.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: No. Whatever. Okay.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Back to. Oh, my God. So creative. Yes, the creative recession.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Would you fuck a ghost? Yeah. But you can't see
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the ghost. What if the ghost is, like, really fucked? Like, really?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I need to sense the energy. If they're ugly, I
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: don't really care. Well, yeah, we're never going to know. Yeah,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: but it's more if it was, like, a bad, yuck energy.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: If it was, like, a nice, horny energy, maybe. Well, duh.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I'm imagining it would be, like, some sexy old pirate
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: or something. Like, of course. You've imagined, like, Captain Feathersword
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: from fucking, like, The Wiggles. Which is Smash, by the way.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I know. Controversial crush. Dead person you would fuck. Go.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I'm kidding. Oh, shit. I went to say it. Never mind.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Let's move on. It's not speaking ill of the dead.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And it's like Freddie Mercury or someone. Yeah.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Good one.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Okay. Anyway, where was I? Back to the ceramics class. Okay.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: So in this study, they were describing a ceramics class
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: that was split into two groups. One of the groups
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: was graded purely on the quantity of the pots produced
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: and the other purely on the quality of a single
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: best pot. The quantity group ended up producing the better
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: work because they spent the term actually making things and
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: learning from their mistakes or learning from each of their attempts.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: And not striving to be perfect in one go. Yeah.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: While the quality group spent time theorizing about perfect and
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: had little to show for it at the end.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: So this study found that.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: The volume of reps beats waiting for the perfect idea
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: or creation to come.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I like that because I think you could apply that
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: to like anything.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Well, there's so many times that I'll be like typing
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: something up and I'm like, that sucks, delete.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Type another sentence, that sucks, delete.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: But I feel like even with some of the writing
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: projects we've been doing recently, like I'll just write it
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: out and hope that maybe a ghost fingers me along
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the way. But....
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. For context, she's.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Looking at me laughing and that's why I was like,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: we're bringing it back.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I would, like, love to be fingered by a ghost. Honestly, yeah. But, like,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: there's also such a lie because I'd be like, that tickles. Yeah, true.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Because if a ghost started fingering me, I'd be like, ah!
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, my.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: God.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so true. But, like, the ghost, oh, my God.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I really am scared that we're not going to be
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: able to get this back. No, we've got this. Ken,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: has anyone, statistically.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Sally, there out there, if anyone is listening to this
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: and you have been fucked.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: By a ghost, please write in. Please write in. I
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: will send you a present. I need to know. We'll
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: feature it on like the Diabolical Confessions episode. I need
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: to know. Have you been fucked by a ghost? This
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: is for science. This is for science. This is for women. Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: And this is for us. Your recession is at risk. Okay.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: If you haven't fucked a ghost, you're in a personal recession, essentially. Okay.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Moving on. Moving on. Energy recession.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: If you consistently feel tired, even after like a long
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: night's sleep and you're waking up tired, everything feels like
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: it takes more effort than it previously did or the
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: things that like aren't exciting you.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Everything feels like effort. Yeah. If like you used to
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: love doing something and now you're like, oh, I've got
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: to do that. Like that's probably a sign that you're
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: in a bit of an energy recessh. So the solve
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: here is to use the four energy model. If you're
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: feeling like this, your energy won't be fixed just by
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: a good night's sleep. And that's why it's really important
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: to identify what's causing that, what's really draining your energy
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: right now. And a lot of the time, this can
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: come from misplacing our energy too and overthinking things that
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: actually don't even matter or don't matter as much as
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the energy that we're putting towards it so that When
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: it's time to put energy towards the things that actually
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: refill your cup. Yeah, you don't have it. Yeah, you
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: have two cups. There's like one cup that it's got
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: like a hole in the bottom of it and you've
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: got to put energy into that one and that energy
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily come back.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: But that's just life. Like there are just things that
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you put energy out and that's how it goes. And
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: then there are things that you put energy into and
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: it's like a circle and it refills that cup. Yeah.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: And if you're always putting energy, I don't know where
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I fucking got this metaphor from but it's working in
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: my brain.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: No.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: But if you are constantly putting energy into the cup
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: with a hole in it, both cups are empty. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Beautiful.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I'm literally Oprah. Okay? Put that shit on a shelf.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: That's like I'm going to actually like patent that, okay? Yeah,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: that's good stuff. They're like a full cup metaphor has
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: been around for years. No, no, no. Let me have
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the win. Let me have the win. I've never been
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: fucked by a ghost, okay? Okay. So if you're feeling
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: like this, the full energy model is also a popular
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: thing to use. It was popularized by Jim and Tony
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: that argue, I can't say their last name. So it's
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Jim and Tony. They argue that harnessing your energy, not
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: your time is the key to high performance. So they
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: say to look at your energy as four distinct reservoirs,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: physical energy. So like your biological health, sleep, nutrition. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: so that means, you know, staying hydrated, protecting your sleep,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: moving your body, Emotional energy, so how you feel, which
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: is like practicing gratitude, deep breathing or removing yourself from
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: situations that feel draining. Your mental energy, such as concentration,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: problem solving, that can be like blocking specific time for
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: deep work, making sure that you're not surrounded by a distraction.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: So even having like your phone in the room with you,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: even on do not disturb, still distracts you more than
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: having it outside of the room. Yeah. And then social energy,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: a deep connection with your core values and purpose. So
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: sometimes this even looks like doing a bit of a
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: values audit. And where do you sit alongside that? Identify
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: your goals for each day that leads back to your
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: larger why.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: And I think there are probably also so many different
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: ways that you can probably experience a personal recession. These
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: are just a few that we thought a lot of
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: you chicks would be able to relate to and that
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: we can relate to. But Similar to an economic recession,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: it's framing these lifestyle dips or changes as a personal
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: recession can help you reframe the rough patches that you're
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: going through as cyclical and repairable rather than like a
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: personal and permanent deficiency.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Like they're all things that will ebb and flow just
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: like the economy.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Right. And like we said before, governments don't respond to
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: recessions by saying try harder. So like you shouldn't either. Yeah.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: It's one, identifying your sector that needs stimulating. Two, don't
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: demand growth without investment. And three, look for your leading indicators.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: The economy doesn't recover in one day, so don't expect
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: that of yourself. Love that. Love that. We need to
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: wrap this because we're now too silly. Yeah, we're in
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: a silly, goofy mood. I was going to say, how
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: do you stimulate your own economy? And I knew what
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: the answer would be. So I was like, I'm not
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: even going to ask. Yeah, don't even. Don't even. It's
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: not even going to be helpful to anyone. Go fuck
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: a ghost.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's the answer. I think we can wrap
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the podcast forever now. Like, we've cracked the code.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: We've cracked the code to life. Yeah. Like, I am.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I would like for us to go away and to
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: come back in private.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: We can discuss whether we'll share this on the podcast. Chicks,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: let us know if you want us. And I want
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: us to go and work on and then we're going
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: to go have drinks.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: And share our top five ghosts we want to fuck. Oh, perfect.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Done.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. Actually, feel free to pop that
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: in the comments. Yeah. Give us some inspo. Yeah, give
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: us some inspo. Anyway, on that note. Thanks to you
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: chicks for having us in your ear holes. We love
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: to be here. Love you. Bye. Bye.