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34- Punch the Monkey & The Great Animal Showdown: Cat vs. Eagle · Arguing Ever After

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Hello and welcome to Arguing Ever After.
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I am Luke and this is my beloved and beautiful wife.
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Amber, hello. Together we're the Lord and Lady
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who lock horns. The count and Countess of
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contention. The Duke and Duchess of
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Disagreement. And the king and queen of
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quarrels. In this podcast, we argue about
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all things big and small, and the audience vote determines who
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to talk about, please send it to us at
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arguingeverafter@gmail.com. OK, here we are at episode 34.
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Do you know what I almost said in the intro?
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I don't know. I almost said.
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We've been together since. And then I was like, wait, I
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haven't thought of a. We've been together since,
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right? And then I didn't have to
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because it's not in the intro anymore.
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No, no, we simplified that a lot, a lot.
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So what happens is you learn what works and you learn what's
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too much work and that that was a little bit of a stretch last
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minute trying to figure out you trying to figure out last minute
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because you don't do research what your answer.
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Is going to be. That's true.
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And us sitting here for a good 10 minutes while I.
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Research is hard. It's not that hard.
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Well, you have to so want to do it.
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That's, well, that's part of part of the truth.
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And if you want to do something, then you put your mind to it and
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then you do it. Super simple.
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I guess I've done research. I I know you have in life in
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general, that is that is factual.
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Otherwise, you probably would not be where you are today.
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I mean, were it not for research, nobody would have
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anything. I don't know if that's true, but
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we wouldn't have a lot. We would have very, very few
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things if we only existed by experience and discovery.
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Speaking of research that we haven't done for a little bit
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that we just did is look and see if we've gotten any new
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listeners. Hey.
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We do. We do, we do.
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We picked up Maryland and Pennsylvania, so.
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Do you know why Maryland is named Maryland?
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I don't know, tell me. It's named for Queen Mary.
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Oh, actually, I did know that. I I randomly just remembered
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that I didn't even didn't even know it until you said it and I
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was like Maryland unlock childhood memory.
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It's because of Queen. Mary, do you know why
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Pennsylvania? It's called Pennsylvania.
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I do not. I do not I oh, I.
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Was. Hoping we.
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Were going to say it. Oh man.
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Well, wait, yes I do. William Penn.
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Now, I have not unlocked childhood memory of what he's
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for or did, but I'm sure it was some sort of American invention
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thing. Or maybe not.
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Maybe he was a Brit from back in the day.
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Now, I really want to know that. Well, this falls in the category
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of things we're going to go look up after the show.
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I actually disagree that we will look it up.
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I'm totally going to look. At that, you might think about
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it when you re listen to this show, you're going to forget in
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about 3 seconds it's. Named after Penn and Teller,
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that's not true either. Not even close.
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Not even close. Oh my gosh.
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Penn and Teller though something really weird that they got their
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start at the Minnesota Renaissance Festival.
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They did. I know.
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I was shocked when. I looked at that too.
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I didn't go look anything up after the episode about them.
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What episode? Didn't we have one about the
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Renaissance? Festival.
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Oh sure we did. Oh no, we didn't.
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We had one about the State Fair. I don't know.
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Did we have one about the Renaissance?
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If we didn't, we should. We probably will next year if we
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didn't. There's plenty of things.
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Because you love it. My favorite No, But, you know,
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just another little Minnesota nod that lots of people know who
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Penn and Teller are. But you know, they might not
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realize and I don't know if they're actually they're not,
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probably not from Minnesota, but they got.
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Maybe not. I don't think they are, but they
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got their start here, you know, which is pretty, pretty
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fantastic. Just like us.
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We got our start in Minnesota. Oh my goodness.
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One day someone might say that. That's possible.
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That's interesting that they got their start in Minnesota, of
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course, so happy to be a Minnesotan today.
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Well, no, actually it was kind of cold, but that's OK.
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We love talking about the weather.
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And oh, I thought it was sort of warm today based on yesterday
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and freezing cold based on 2 days ago.
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Sure, sure. I think we're on the, you know,
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warmth is on the horizon for us. But like, that's a ways.
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It's a ways. That's true.
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I was just really reminiscing about my wonderful two days in
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Arizona. Yeah, you did just get back from
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Arizona. How was that Luke?
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84 in pure blissful, beautiful sunshine.
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Yeah, well, it was cold here and.
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You want to see my redhead look at.
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Oh, you did get a. Little sunburn?
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No, I did. It felt so great.
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I don't know about sunburn. Well, I didn't have any burn
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symptoms. OK, OK, well, did you put
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sunblock on? Because that's super important.
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No, OK, I'm telling you with your shaved head you should be
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using sunblock. I know I have some.
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I mean, I wasn't outside a lot. It was a work conference.
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I have some like so. Like I was outside from, I don't
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know, 5 to 6 a couple of nights. Yeah, having some and using some
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are two different things. That's true.
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So I mean, I have lots of things I.
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Don't I did selfishly just for on the first day I did put
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sunblock on my tattoos in preservation desire for my
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tattoos. But I wear a hat most of the
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time, so. Sure, of course this.
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Is probably from the 30 minutes. I was like, you know, I should
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probably try to get some color on my, my, my yellow dead blue
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scalp. So I took my hat off for like 20
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or 30 minutes. I bet it just attract the sun
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really hard. It makes a second sun.
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Yeah. Oh for sure for sure.
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Hair does a lot for the head and not having it on the air would
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make it quite susceptible to sun damage.
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Just saying as not your local skin doctor, but you know, kind
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of a little. You're our local witch doctor.
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I mean, I could be, I don't know who's saying I'm not, who's
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saying I'm not, But yeah, so Luke was out of town and I
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stayed home and we did some regular life stuff while you
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were gone. It was not exciting here, but
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knock on wood, our puppy seems to be doing very well with potty
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training. Yay.
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And I think she just needed someone consistent person.
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Oh, you think it's my fault? Nope, I don't think it's your
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fault. I think it's that she just
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needed one consistent person that she knew was going to walk
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with her every two hours, you know?
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She's sleeping through the night yet it seems seems OK.
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More. More I mean.
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Either I slept through the night or we both did the other day.
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I mean, here's the thing, someone's sleeping for at least
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six hours, 5 or 6 hours and I'll take it.
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I mean, that's so much better than what it has been.
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And really, I mean, we, we knew all of this going in.
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Of course, it's part of getting a puppy is you have the little
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bit of the cuteness and a lot of bit of work, but in the end you
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get a dog. And that's really my goal is a
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dog. Puppies are cute but.
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OK. I don't know.
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So, so, but she's doing, she's doing well and you know,
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thankfully we're getting down here recording early enough that
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she doesn't need to be with us. So there should be 0 surprise
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visitors today, so if you were hoping you might catch a
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glimpse. Sorry, we might get a surprise
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visitor of our cat who's down here somewhere.
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Somewhere, yeah. I don't know.
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She she does not like a closed door.
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If she wants to go in somewhere, she'll let us know that she.
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Wants to you know what they say. What does?
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Love is an open door. Love is an open door.
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Love is an open door. So.
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So what else has been going on? So hard not to sing right now.
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I think everybody's appreciated. Oh my goodness, I sing like an
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Angel. You do, you do.
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Yeah, just leave it there and I'll just soak up that for a
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minute. I.
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Feel like I heard somewhere that if angels sing like it's so pure
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that it'll actually could kill. You.
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Oh, come on. This could just be.
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Here we go. Wives, Taylor.
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What kind, I don't know. It's deep in my memory.
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The old witches tale. Why?
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Why? Why?
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Well, 'cause if angels are supposed to be good, would they
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have a You're gonna die singing voice?
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I feel like. Maybe.
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I don't know. I don't know, Probably
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somewhere. You know what?
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I bet my sister told me that and she's probably laughing right
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now listening to this. Oh my goodness.
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But what else has been going on? Lots of things have been going
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on. I but work has been a big thing.
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Our podcast is, I think we're doing pretty good here.
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I'm enjoying it. We've got Penn, Penn State.
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Yes, we we did. We did.
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And we got the state that must be for more than just where part
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of DC resides. But I feel like most of it is
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Baltimore and DC. Yeah.
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That being said, I've really only been to Baltimore and DC,
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so it's probably a skewed perception of Maryland, but I'm
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sure they're like whatever they call it, Backcountry or up north
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or what, you know, every state has a thing like in New York
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it's called upstate and here it's called up north and.
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Or out state. There's yeah, out state.
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I'm sure Maryland has a beautiful, beautiful out state.
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Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure we drove
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through it. We've been through it many
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times, like all over the East Coast.
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So we must have, because we drove to Maryland, so we had to
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drive through it. Yeah, drive to it.
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Yep. But I don't know, there's a lot
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of stuff really close around there, so.
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Do you know who lives in Pennsylvania?
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Lots of people I don't. Know who you mean?
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I think it might actually be Ohio.
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I was gonna say Dave Chappelle because I just saw his comedy
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show. Yeah, but then I realized I'm
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pretty sure he lives in Ohio. I don't know where he lives.
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He lives in the town that I think he grew up in or
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something. It's called like hot spring or
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pure spring Ohio. Sounds like you have a really
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good memory there, yeah. I watched some special.
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Okay. In which he talked about it.
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There's gonna be a special from the show that you went to it.
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So I hope so. I mean, they took our phones
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away and the opening of the show was the big Netflix opening with
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the end and the doom. They opened.
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And all the lighting of the crowd in the background was red
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for the entirety of the show really, which is common in his
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interesting shows. So I feel like there will be a
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special interesting. I'm definitely not going to be
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in the viewing the audience because I was in the nose
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bleeds. OK, I don't think you need to be
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up close to in a comedy show. We've been.
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Close. Yeah, it's totally unnecessary.
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Yeah, might be necessary at a concert.
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Yeah. Maybe not.
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I mean it. Depends.
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It depends on the concert and all of that.
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Like I will say, I don't think a comic is funnier being up close.
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That's true. But I do think some artists
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might be more interesting. But I'm going to also just put a
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little thing out there. A lot of artists who are singing
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tend to be a little bit more attractive, so they might be
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more interesting to look at. That's fair.
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Yeah, yeah. So maybe I don't know.
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I'm excited that we're coming into concert season.
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Yeah. We don't have any tickets for
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anything, so that's OK. That's OK.
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Oh, we will. Oh, I'm sure there's like 7
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shows we're interested in, but we're trying to do something
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different than what we've been doing the last couple years and
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that is not buying tickets right away.
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Yes. FOMO has got to go.
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We're going to resist the urge. Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, there's always, I mean, it's super rare that a concert
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sells out except for. Case in point, the Chappelle's
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Show that I went to, I had the whole fear of missing out.
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I joined the virtual queue at Ticketmaster and I was, it
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literally said there was 100,000 people in line and it's a 20,000
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person stadium. And I'm like, I'd better get
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some tickets. So I bought a noticeably the
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cheapest ones. It's like $100 a ticket or
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something. And then the night of the show I
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kept checking as we got closer and closer, the same nosebleeds.
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We're going for like 20-30 bucks.
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No, I know. I've had AI had a friend you.
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Know where it does matter? I just thought about I was
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thinking about it might not matter at a concert either
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unless you're into the attraction thing.
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It for sure to me seems to matter in a like a play.
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I know you're going to say that and I actually disagree with
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you. I don't want to set up that
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close at a play. We should have a podcast debate
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about it. About what's the better seat in
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a? Theater in the theater, I think
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we might sort of agree on concert venue.
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Yeah, no, but I totally disagree with you on the theater.
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I think that it is, it's, it's not I, I want to see the whole
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show. And when you're up close, you
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end up like kind of having that tunnel vision of what's directly
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there instead of being able to span out and watch everything.
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Easy. Why do I mean like front row?
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Well, we've done almost front row we're.
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Supposed to save this for the next podcast.
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OK, it's saved for the next podcast.
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Save it. It's saved.
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Good. There's so many times we say
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save it for the next podcast. I see you're trying to score
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additional votes by wearing an Up North shirt.
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No, I just happened. I'm not aware of this, but you
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know, like I, I've worn it a few times.
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I probably was just shouting into my microphone.
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Sorry. You've worn it two in a row.
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Oh, sorry everybody. I actually don't know that, but
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I love your reaction just now, I don't think.
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The thing is, I don't think most people are paying any attention
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to my clothes, least of all me. That's actually true.
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Yeah, yeah. Most people aren't paying
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attention to you, period. I've learned that about myself.
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I don't think on this. Time.
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Gosh, you just made that very about yourself.
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And I was gonna follow up with a sentence that was like,
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literally, it's true that nobody cares about you ever.
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Myself and everyone else included.
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I mean, if they're listening to the podcast, I think they might
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care slightly about. I don't know that they would
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care what you're wearing. I don't think they care what I'm
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wearing. That is my point.
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Like what your hair looks like that I don't know.
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Like I think people really honest to goodness don't care.
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No one's taking fashion advice from me.
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No, I mean just in general of other people.
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Like we hang a lot on as a, as a culture in at least the US, we
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hang a lot of lot of weight on vanity, on appearance, you know,
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the clothes you're wearing and like how your hairstyle and all
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the whatever shoes are out and all this stuff.
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And it's like people chase it like crazy and spend all kinds
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of money and time and then guess what?
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We all get old and we die and it doesn't matter.
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Wow. Also, nobody cares.
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I wonder if we were to promote something, if anyone would buy
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it. I don't.
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I just don't think so. I don't really.
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Think like are we at influence level?
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We're not. We're not even at a micro
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influence. Yeah, not, not at all.
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I mean, I can't even influence my friends so.
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I can influence a lot of people, but I don't think anything.
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To buy a product. I guess I could actually now
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that. I I mean I would hope you can.
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I have intentionally influenced people to buy.
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I don't mean professionally either.
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I mean like in my personal life. That's.
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Weird. I would say professionally,
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that's your careers. Yeah, I'm real good at that.
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It's kind of important that you can influence people to buy
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things. More so now it's about
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influencing. It's about influencing culture
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within the place that I work, Yeah.
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So that they can serve customers in the best way possible.
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Well, if like 3 years from now someone's listening to us like a
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old show, right? Like this would be an old show
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to them. I'm.
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Sure there might be. They might be like wow, I can't
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believe how small they were talking and look at them today.
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Of course I'm gonna buy this. You know this can opener that
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they recommended right? Also, by the way, that's a can.
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Openers is a whole another can. That can openers is definitely a
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problem. Yeah, I don't know why we're
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having so many issues. With Did the last one turn out
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okay? Are we still the juries?
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Out here's what I've learned after years of breaking can
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openers. Okay, and I don't know if anyone
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else is having this problem. Okay, but here's what I learned
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growing up. We had the same can opener my
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whole flipping. Mind literally has the same one
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since when I was a kid and it still works great.
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We never like did anything with our can opener.
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We never washed it or anything. I mean, I'm sure maybe every
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once in a while, but like in general, it was open the can
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throw it back in and maybe you look at it and you're like, is
18:08
there any dirt on it? No, great.
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You throw it back into the spot wherever you find the can opener
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in our household, because I don't like germs and you don't
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like germs. I really don't like germs.
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Our kid does like the concept of dirt.
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So anyhow, we use the can opener once, throw it in the
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dishwasher. The dishwasher is the problem
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why we keep breaking can openers.
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We've talked about this before. Yes, but that is the problem.
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So if there were to be one that could hold up to the dishwasher.
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There's not. Well, not, not yet, not yet.
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But if there were, I would, you know, I would let people know
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about that. But right now we're just going
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down the hand wash route. So we'll see.
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We'll see how that goes. Do you want to talk about other
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current events? Oh, there's something that's
18:57
going on right now, but maybe. Oh, what do you want to talk
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about? I want to talk about like this
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big video that's going on around right now.
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Is it our podcast? No, but wouldn't that be great?
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Would be what? What are you talking?
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About no no no no. Have you seen this video about
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Punch the Monkey? Punch the monkey, you have that.
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Punchkin. Nope.
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Oh, Punchkin is a little monkey in Japan who lives in a zoo.
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OK. And his mom, it's a major video
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out there. So again, and if you're watching
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this 10 years in the future and you're like, I don't know about
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Punchkin, OK, just Google it. You'll be able to find it.
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I mean, he's this I think maybe a macaque must be a macaque.
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Anyhow, he his mother rejected him as a baby and she's like, I
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don't want nothing to do with him.
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OK. And none of the other females.
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He's in a zoo. He's in a zoo.
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Yeah. Did I not say that?
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Maybe he didn't, I don't know. I think he, well, he for sure is
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in a zoo now. But anyhow, he was rejected and
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the keepers were then taking care of him because no one else
20:01
was like, yeah, I'll step up. That's my my monkey.
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So the keepers were taking care of him, but they noted that or,
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or they knew that closeness was a is super important to monkeys,
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you know, So they got a gave him a stuffed animal that is his
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best buddy. It's like a larger macaque and
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he's had it forever. And it looks like that stuffed
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animal, you know, when you have it as a kid who's just like all
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gangly and stuff. But so he was having, he was
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developing a relationship like a, a bond with the stuffed
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animal. But the other monkeys still were
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like, Nah. And so whenever they would get
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out on the enclosure and they decided, let's put the stuffed
20:45
animal out on the enclosure. This is very interesting stuff
20:49
to someone like me. Let's put the stuffed animal out
20:52
on the enclosure and see what happens.
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So they put the stuffed animal monkey on in the enclosure.
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And of course Punchkin was like, that's my friend and was hanging
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out and then other monkeys wanted to be his friend.
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Because they wanted to hang out with.
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Yeah, it's interesting. The stuffed animal or or the
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monkey with the stuffed animal. I I think it's, they saw that
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the monkey that he had something and he wasn't, you know, they're
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like, cool, let's hang out with him because he's accepted by
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something else. Oh.
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It's a very interesting thing when I in another life, and I
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know I've talked about it here briefly in another life, I did
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do some volunteering at a zoo and one of the cool things I got
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to do was watch primates and see how they interact, which is just
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really enlightening about how humans interact and all of that.
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But but that was something that you would notice kind of how
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they how they get along and how much it is very similar to that
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of humans and talking about monkeys.
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I just have to say, RIP Jambu the orangutan.
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He was my favorite orangutan that they had.
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But all sad. I know.
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Well, so that's the punchkin thing.
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People are like, oh, they're watching the video and they're
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crying because this poor little baby monkey has no friend.
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But anyhow, so but then he did because he's like, hey, but I
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got my buddy, my stuffed animal. So I just find them to be very
22:27
interesting. Monkeys in general, primates in
22:30
general, they're just super interesting critters.
22:34
I don't know, I like them a lot. It's one of the few that we
22:37
don't have to personify. They seem quite good at carrying
22:41
their own personalities. It's amazing.
22:45
It's amazing how much they know and do and also the intelligence
22:52
scale from one to the next, right?
22:55
Like if you're talking apes versus, you know, just regular
22:58
monkeys and then like. Jambu versus.
23:01
Jambu the orangutan versus like. Spider Monkey.
23:05
Spider monkeys are just wild all together.
23:08
I mean, if there is a monkey that I would not mess with, it
23:13
is a spider monkey. We've talked about this.
23:15
Which I know sounds super odd because like there's a ton of
23:18
monkeys out there, you know, like a baboon.
23:20
Why wouldn't I mess? I feel like my odds are better
23:22
against a baboon than a spider monkey, you know?
23:25
Which is sort of interesting because they baboons are a
23:28
little bit more aggressive. I don't.
23:30
Know I feel like for sure your odds are better against a spider
23:32
monkey. Oh, I don't know.
23:35
Your fear might be real. That's the thing.
23:37
But that doesn't make it real. But I think fear really is a
23:41
factor in how you might be. That would be recently
23:46
relaunched. I was gonna say that.
23:48
'D be a really good name for ATV shelf.
23:50
Here. Wouldn't it though?
23:54
But anyhow, that's that's kind of what I think.
23:56
However, I find them fascinating primates, but I don't find
24:01
humans as fascinating. I have kind of a bleaker view on
24:05
humans and I do for primates. But you know, that's just sort
24:11
of, I don't know. So that's what's, that's what
24:13
I've been thinking about. What have you been thinking
24:14
about in current events? You asked about current events.
24:18
What was I kind of saying? Which might not be.
24:20
It's not current for some people.
24:22
It well, it's current for our current.
24:25
Right, I know, but I'm telling. You it's topical recently.
24:32
Well, then if I then I'm going to give it away.
24:35
Well, the people are they're already going to know.
24:38
Maybe you and you already know the the recent the eagle cams in
24:45
the Minnesota observatories picked up the first hatchling of
24:52
the year. That's really great.
24:54
That's really. Great.
24:55
Which is pretty wonderful, I see, because they are wonderful.
24:59
I saw something a while ago that they're like, oh, we see two
25:01
eggs in a nest, so I'm glad that one is hatched and they'll just
25:05
keep on going. But those eagles are doing
25:08
pretty well here. I don't know.
25:10
I remember never seeing them as a kid.
25:13
And then, you know, in 2012 and then in 2013, I started seeing.
25:19
2012 OK, good. So you're 14?
25:23
Is that what we're going for? No, I was a kid at 2012.
25:28
So you're 20? Good.
25:29
Yeah, yeah, OK. I mean, kid is general, but
25:32
anyhow. But you see them a lot more and
25:35
it's not as surprising as it used to be.
25:38
And maybe that's partly just where we live because we live
25:41
closer to a river, but I feel like they're just around a lot
25:44
more often. I don't know what else.
25:49
What else? Well, I don't know, but I do
25:53
have a question for you, Amber. You have a question for me.
25:58
This is unexpected. I thought you were gonna say
26:01
unacceptable. In this corner we have Luke.
26:06
You're supposed to say. And now, ladies and gentlemen,
26:08
the moment you've all been waiting for.
26:10
Okay, see, I'm not trained on that.
26:12
See, I'm the question asker, all right and.
26:14
Then you say the part about that.
26:17
But now, ladies and gentlemen, the moment you've all been
26:20
waiting for in this corner, we have Luke weighing in at 183 lbs
26:26
according to your last. No, that was OK.
26:28
Wait, so let's be clear, just a little brief sidebar.
26:31
That was after I had throat surgery and couldn't eat for a
26:34
week. Then I had back surgery and I
26:37
couldn't move for three weeks, but I could eat.
26:41
So the scales got a different number on it.
26:44
You may continue. All right.
26:46
Well, you're showing. Aiming to weigh in at 185 is
26:49
good. OK, OK, all right, cool, cool,
26:51
cool. He's coming in hot with a tanned
26:55
head, maybe a little extra tan to battle today over whatever
27:01
question he's going to ask. And I better be the one that I
27:04
believe you will. We have still 8 ties, and Luke
27:12
is actually rising up in the ranks.
27:14
He's got eleven wins, 14 losses. That's still a gap.
27:21
You won like the last four, two in a row.
27:25
No, no, no, Sir. No.
27:27
Well, don't. You worry the people will prop
27:31
you up yet again. I'm certain of it.
27:34
Yep, Yep. And I'd still have to win like 4
27:37
to be beating you. That's a lot.
27:41
Sure to beat me. Yep.
27:43
Yep. That's like a lot.
27:44
It was a lot, you know. All right, so.
27:46
So what's your question, Luke? And in this corner we have get
27:52
it together. I don't.
27:54
Know how to do this backwards? I don't know how to.
27:55
Do this part in this corner we have Amber with the freshest of
28:02
haircuts that looks so good. What do you mean?
28:06
It's like it's not that three days old.
28:08
Or something. Yeah, it's old.
28:11
And a beautiful pale complexion since you commented on mine
28:19
claiming to weigh in at 135 lbs who's clearly a winner in life
28:25
and this podcast because not only is she beating me 14 to 11,
28:29
but she has me. I knew you were going there.
28:32
Yes, you did. I knew.
28:32
What you were going? I meant every word of it all.
28:35
Right, all right, what's? So my question for you is, if
28:41
you could be any animal, what would it be?
28:46
Any animal, if I could be an animal.
28:50
This is a really interesting question for me because I have
28:57
such a love and interest in animals that I when we talked
29:05
about this, there's like 7 questions that are somewhat
29:08
interrelated, but my answer to what animal I would want to be
29:12
versus my favorite animal, the animal I respect the most.
29:15
Like, these are all very different animals and I'm going
29:20
to save some of my arguments. Let's do an animal series like
29:24
like the next few. Well, if we can figure it out
29:26
anyway, keep going. OK.
29:28
I kind of like that idea. We're going to do which animal
29:31
do you want to be? Then we do, which I never
29:33
thought of that question, which animal do you respect the most?
29:36
Yes. These are all.
29:37
Like. What's my favorite animal?
29:40
What's your favorite animal? And then we had we had a versus
29:44
question like which one? Yeah, which would win?
29:47
In a fight. And then there's also the Which
29:49
one is better? Right.
29:52
Which is close to which would you like to be, but not quite
29:54
the? Same.
29:54
No, it's not at all. Anyway, so there's lots of
29:57
questions. We could have a little series.
29:59
We could. We could it could be our Be the
30:01
Creature series. Oh, we're inviting the Kratz in.
30:04
Oh by the way, talking about ticket prices, OMG.
30:08
What? What?
30:08
They had like a tour ticket back when our kid was in.
30:11
Oh, yeah. And it was like sort of nearby
30:14
in Wisconsin. Yeah.
30:15
And the tickets were like $500. No, they weren't.
30:18
This is not true. $300. This is not true.
30:20
It was expensive. There's no way.
30:22
Maybe second hand. I looked and it was like, I
30:25
think it was like 5. 100 No way. I mean, were the were you
30:27
getting to go on tour with them and go hang out with the
30:30
animals? Nope, it was just to go.
30:32
I couldn't believe it anyway. All right.
30:34
So there's lots of different thoughts I have about animals,
30:38
and I will say that I have a very limited knowledge, but
30:42
maybe slightly higher knowledge than someone who knows nothing
30:48
about animals. OK, But if I could be any
30:54
animal, that was the question, what would I be?
30:57
It's very specific. Let's make one assumption.
31:00
You're not a human. That's you know what, I would
31:03
not choose human. I'm not in real life.
31:05
That would probably be one of the I've had the human
31:08
experience and I would choose something.
31:09
Wow Sir, let's be a little less negative cause humanity is
31:13
actually quite great. No.
31:15
But like, you know, we have so many constraints as humans.
31:18
I don't know that I would. I would want something that's a
31:20
little bit more free. That's what I would want if I
31:25
had a choice, like I didn't have to pay taxes.
31:27
OK, Dopey then. So so when I'm thinking about
31:32
this animal, I'm thinking about overall a few things.
31:38
Quality of life really matters to me and and what type of life
31:46
I would be living. Am I stuck living in 100%
31:52
instinctual fear reactive world? Am I living in complete
31:59
oblivion? Like think about a little
32:01
goldfish with a 10 second memory, you know, am I, do I
32:07
want to be intelligent or do I want to not be intelligent?
32:10
Because like, you know, I mean, ignorance is bliss for a reason.
32:15
But I thought about things I like as a human and I thought
32:18
about, you know, what's, what's some things I like as a human
32:21
that I can enjoy as an animal and then bring that too, right.
32:26
So in going with that, I have thought that if I could be any
32:31
animal in the world, I would want to be a cat.
32:37
Unbelievable. A domestic?
32:39
Why? Unbelievable.
32:40
Just. Of all the animals in the world.
32:43
OK, yes. Yes.
32:44
I mean, if you think about a cat, they, they sleep a lot and
32:49
that's, I like sleep and I don't feel like we get enough sleep.
32:53
They're really able to be very independent, but they can be
32:59
social if they want to be social, right?
33:03
So they kind of do their own thing, which is kind of my
33:07
attitude. Like I'm, I'm kind of
33:09
independent and I really like being independent, but I'm
33:12
social if I want to be social, right?
33:15
And they are, I mean people who as a domesticated cat, we'll
33:21
even go that far for you. I won't even like, I'll narrow
33:25
it down for you. People who get cats, just cat
33:30
people are they're a whole nother critter.
33:35
People who get cats love cats. They do, and they'll do all
33:40
sorts of things for their cat. I think about our cat that we
33:43
have who's, what, nine years old now?
33:47
And for her whole life we thought she was the least
33:50
athletic cat that ever existed, and that happened to be true.
33:53
We thought she couldn't jump up and she just didn't need to.
33:59
She had been carried up for eight years and finally one day
34:04
someone, our child, chose not to put her up in the bed.
34:08
And she's like, I want to be in the bed.
34:10
She won't do it. I will jump.
34:12
Blew my mind. There's even video.
34:16
I There's, Yes, This cat has lived eight years of her life
34:19
with us and we've never seen her jump more than two feet.
34:24
She's never had two. Maybe 3?
34:26
Maybe 3? That'd be a stretch.
34:28
Though but there was a video of her jumping 4 feet people.
34:33
At least four of I would say maybe even 5 it.
34:36
Was a leap like she actually like looked like she knew what
34:40
she was doing. But in general, cats can jump 5
34:43
to 8 feet. That's pretty awesome.
34:44
Like, could you imagine just sitting there and being like
34:46
jumping that much of A, you know?
34:48
That would be fantastic. Fantastic, you know, and they
34:52
can play when they want to play and, you know, just like their
34:56
temperament can be very agreeable.
35:01
But like, the people who own them love them so dearly that
35:07
they will let a cat be what a cat is.
35:10
If you think about it. I mean, we had a cat who was
35:13
terrible. What a domesticated cat is.
35:16
Yes, yeah, OK. Yes, I mean, there are, there's
35:21
a whole world in which folks worship cats.
35:25
You know, they're like, they're so great.
35:26
We are going to worship them as the gods they are.
35:29
I have a friend who came over and.
35:31
Are you talking about the Egyptians?
35:33
Yes. That was 5000 years ago.
35:37
Whatever, whatever. Well, you said there were people
35:40
as if they were like next. Door.
35:42
There were a lot of love people. OK, discount a whole entire
35:46
civilization. I certainly will not.
35:49
Anyhow, so like we had a friend who came over clearly a cat
35:53
person saw her cat in her cat tree and just was like, oh, You
35:56
Beautiful Princess, queen of and I'm like, who does?
35:59
I mean, people do that cat people do that and cats are
36:02
like, Yep, I am that great, thank you and feed me right,
36:08
like that's pretty awesome. I think that why wouldn't I want
36:12
to be that and they're soft and when they start out, they're
36:15
super cute as kittens, but I I don't know if they can hide in
36:20
anything. If they can get their head in
36:22
someplace, they can get in. They can climb trees.
36:26
Like they're just very athletic in the ways that I couldn't
36:29
possibly be like they. I would love the almost I I like
36:39
I, I would love the abilities that they have with their
36:43
flexibility, their strength. They're clearly intelligent, but
36:50
also honored within the home. This is why I would want to be a
36:54
cat, so I could sleep all day, eat the food I want, be petted
36:58
when I want to be petted, and when I bite someone because I
37:01
don't want them touching me, no one says that that's the wrong
37:05
thing to do. You don't blame a cat for doing
37:07
that. You blame the human.
37:08
And I kind of mad respect there. Mad respect.
37:13
Well. So that's what I would choose.
37:16
Luke, what animal would you choose if you could be any
37:21
animal in the world? I definitely have an answer.
37:25
OK, so first of all this is a difficult argument to have
37:30
because I do feel like we should have had some prerequisites we.
37:35
Had tons. Well, domesticated versus non
37:39
domesticated is a pretty, pretty big.
37:43
One, that's a whole other question.
37:45
Well sure, but here you are having picked a domesticated
37:48
animal and I'm about to pick a non domesticated animal because
37:52
the question was too broad. But that's sort of my fault
37:56
because I didn't put my foot down anyway.
37:58
Oh my God. Anyways.
38:04
Put your foot down, Put your foot down.
38:07
Like about what we were going to record on.
38:10
That's all. We could have recorded something
38:11
else. So it does make my thoughts
38:19
wander a little bit on what you answered.
38:22
Like specifically a domesticated cat.
38:26
And then their qualities and a lot of their qualities actually
38:29
exist in a non domesticated cat 'cause there are Wildcats, yeah,
38:35
that are not in someone's house that also sleep all day.
38:40
Yeah, that probably maybe to some degree might actually eat
38:44
more of what they want. I don't know that you said you
38:46
get to eat what you want. I doubt cats are like, I want to
38:49
eat kibble. You did say that, and so now I'm
38:51
using it against you. Wow.
38:53
I think cats probably would rather eat fresh things because
38:58
it is in most cats, not ours at all.
39:01
Natural instincts to hunt and kill and eat things and play
39:07
with their prey, which we have had cats that did that they
39:11
would. They would hunt and play with
39:12
things. Ours is a Princess.
39:15
She would not. She just watches things.
39:18
Yeah, just watches. So, so I think that there are
39:22
there are debates to be had as to whether it's actually better
39:26
to be a domesticated cat or a non domesticated cat.
39:30
Of course it's easy for us as humans who, as you so eloquent
39:38
in eloquently put it, the terrible or whatever you said.
39:42
But like it's easy for us to think that the cats that live
39:46
with us have the best life because of course we think that
39:51
it justifies our having them. If we didn't think that, we
39:56
wouldn't have them. So we have to somewhere in our
39:59
brain tell ourselves they have it best.
40:03
Let's continue it. And so the cat.
40:06
Just says, OK, now. I mean, I, I guess I could make
40:09
another argument on that same vein of thinking if you just
40:13
left all your doors open, like lots of cats aren't coming back,
40:17
they're just going to leave. What?
40:21
And lots don't. So they're just going to leave
40:24
because they want to be out the house.
40:25
They want to go climb a tree or they want to, I don't know.
40:29
We'll climb a tree to chase a bird, to chase a squirrel.
40:33
Maybe not. Not our cat anyway, But there
40:37
are cats who probably would like something like that.
40:39
They would maybe like that. And there are Wildcats, I
40:43
imagine, who born wild would not ever in a million years want to
40:49
have the confines of a house and a little little kiddie tower and
40:54
a, you know, go to the bathroom in a little clay crystal stink
41:00
box. I mean, I'm certain that that a
41:03
domesticated cat seems real good to the domestic hater.
41:08
So I mean, I think that's worth bearing in mind.
41:14
I do like cats. I mean, I have had cats as an
41:19
adult. I didn't have them as a child.
41:21
I do think they're cool and cute and funny and all of those
41:25
things. And you know, like not saying I
41:28
don't like cats. I'm just saying there's plenty
41:31
of argument to be made for whether they should, whether
41:34
they would prefer or could should be domesticated,
41:38
etcetera. But that's what you want to be.
41:40
Your most, most desired creature you would like to be is a
41:44
domesticated house cat because they have it easy.
41:47
In a lot of places all over the world, cats are domesticate.
41:52
Cats are indoor. Outdoor cats, sure.
41:55
We choose not to do that mostly where we live because it's
41:58
unsafe for them. When they are outdoor, they
42:00
still go back to the indoors. Sometimes.
42:04
Most of the time. Sometimes when they escape, they
42:07
don't come back. Sure, very.
42:09
Yes, they might get injured, all sorts of things, but continue.
42:12
Mm, hmm. Mm hmm.
42:14
Mm hmm. Anyway, my animal of choice of
42:18
what animal would I like to be? I'm sure there's an animal
42:21
probably that it exists that I don't know about that I would
42:23
pick instead. I will say that.
42:25
But of the animals that sort of briefly came to my mind in a
42:28
question of like what would you be is an eagle?
42:34
And there's lots of reasons. They're like the anti reasons of
42:39
what you said that I like them for.
42:41
I I think eagles are as special as we have made them be as
42:47
humans in ancient Native American lore, they are the
42:55
messengers to the spirit world. That was one of their probably
42:58
earliest reverences, that Native Americans who lived in the world
43:04
in the wild revered them as messengers to the spirit.
43:10
World that's valid, but the Egyptians aren't.
43:14
What's no, it's a fact they were probably here's the listen to
43:18
what I said. You just pick up an argument.
43:21
I said that is probably one of their oldest reverences, meaning
43:26
like we revered them for that. OK.
43:30
I didn't say anyway. I didn't say that the Egyptian
43:33
thing wasn't real. They were.
43:35
They had a cat God. I mean, I'm fully, fully aware
43:39
of that anyway. So also, I mean the most I
43:49
think, at least for me, but that's 'cause I'm in the USA.
43:52
The most recent probably references their designation as
43:56
the national bird of the USAI. Don't know when they were
44:00
designated as the national bird, but I know that our country
44:05
1776, so that's not very old. You know, I know a little bit
44:11
about that. Do you want to hear a little bit
44:12
about that? Sure.
44:13
It was either going to be between that or the Turkey.
44:17
Well, they picked right so, and one of the reasons they were
44:24
chosen was that our one of our founders, Ben Franklin was a
44:32
big, big fan and they were viewed much like they were
44:38
viewed in reverence was for their their ability to fly high
44:43
and they had a, you know, a proud regal bearing and they
44:48
were expert hunters and comma etcetera, whatever.
44:51
So some of those things are are like really cool.
44:57
So they're one of the highest flying birds altitude wise on
45:03
the planet. I recently learned this that
45:06
they. Were you researching?
45:08
I was researching they in theory we don't know because we're
45:14
humans and we're not always monitoring everything they do.
45:16
But they've been recorded to fly as high as 15,000 feet.
45:21
That is insanely high. I once jumped out of an airplane
45:25
at 12 or 13,000 feet. 15,000 feet is 3 miles into the sky
45:32
almost. I just.
45:33
This is not a. That is a wild number.
45:36
Don't want to do that. Well, right, you don't, but
45:40
that's OK. If you picked cat, yes, an eagle
45:43
could eat a cat. Why would?
45:47
It. Probably wouldn't because
45:49
they're actually quite tricky and evasive.
45:50
I imagine they'd go after something a little simpler.
45:53
Typically eagles go after rodents and fish.
45:58
That's one of the things I think that's cool about an eagle is
46:01
that they can from a huge distance away, I think it's like
46:07
up to 5 miles or some crazy, who cares number like 3 miles can
46:12
see like a fish swimming underwater and then go dive
46:17
vomit and catch it, which I find totally awesome.
46:23
And then like the other sort of cool some stuff about them.
46:28
They are not the fastest bird. That's the peregrine Falcon.
46:31
But they're super fast and when when they're diving, they can
46:35
fly up to or around 100 miles an hour, which is super duper fast.
46:42
And they also are semi migratory.
46:47
So they do like, I mean, we're in Minnesota, so part of what I
46:51
know is probably based on where I live, but they do fly SA
46:54
little bit from where we are, but not like super far.
46:59
Like they're not some of the migratory birds that we have
47:02
here go like crazy distances. They go to like South America
47:05
and back, but eagles don't. They typically just go to like
47:09
southern parts of the continent or middle parts of the continent
47:13
and then they come back. And I think that's cool 'cause I
47:17
like the idea of migrating to nicer weather when the weather
47:21
changes. I do think it's interesting that
47:25
so many creatures, like come to where we live in the summer
47:30
months because it's like fertile ground where like there's so
47:34
many creatures to eat and to feed your young and to mate and
47:39
then fly. I think that's actually kind of
47:42
weird and cool about where we live.
47:46
And so that's one of the reasons eagles come back here is because
47:49
we have fertile ground for them to have mating season, which is
47:55
cool. They build wicked cool, strong
47:59
nests that can hold hundreds of pounds.
48:02
That's one of the things I think that's cool.
48:04
They make sturdy houses. Well, not houses, they make
48:09
sturdy nests. And I also think that comma
48:16
eagles in general, because I mean, maybe I would pick a bald
48:19
eagle, but there's other there's other eagles that are also super
48:24
cool, like the stellar sea eagle.
48:29
I feel like if I were to have picked eagle, you'd say it must
48:32
be a specific eagle. I didn't make you pick a breed
48:35
of cat, did I? No.
48:36
But you made me pick the type of cat, yes?
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Well, there isn't another type of eagle.
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What? There's OK, keep going.
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You're the one that picked a domesticated species.
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I picked a wild bird. That's fine, I.
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They're all wild. There's big differences in the
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species of like the breeds of cat.
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That's still a species cat comma.
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OK, keep going. Oh my gosh.
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Stellar Sea Eagle. OK, I will.
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Is that that's your choosing the stellar?
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'S wouldn't be opposed. OK, Although I do think the
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American bald eagle is cooler. Well, that's.
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Definitely what you picked because you were talking about
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it being the symbol of America. Yeah, but you talked about
49:16
random other cat facts that we're either our cat or not our
49:19
cat or whatever. So I'm gonna talk about can I
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talk about a cool factor? Sure.
49:25
Talk about eagle factor. Are you gonna be OK?
49:27
Yeah. Go breathe.
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This is for fun. I know.
49:31
I'm having fun waiting. So stellar Sea eagles are so big
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it's creepy. So a bald eagle, the one that I
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was talking about and generally the one that's my pick.
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OK. But I would also go for golden
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eagle or whatever anyway, the the bald eagle attraction for me
49:52
is that they're they're protected so you can't kill
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them. And so that's nice anyway.
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But like the stellar sea eagle, they go to the Russian Kamchatka
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Peninsula, which is a super cool pocket of the world.
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They're like 4 feet tall standing up.
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Yep. That's like bigger than most
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small children. Like it'd be like if you went to
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like grade school, like 4th grade would be Stellar's Sea
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eagles. Just a bunch of creepily large
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with crazy white eyes and their wingspans are like 8 to 10 feet
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or some stupid terrifying number.
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Bald eagles and I think Golden Eagles because they're similarly
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sized, have wingspans in the 6 to 8 foot range, which that
50:42
sounds really cool. I like the idea.
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I'll get off of the other eagles for the rest of the thing.
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I just really like the stellar sea eagle.
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But so one of the other things I love about eagles, of course,
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and it's, you know, off silly of me to ignore their ability to
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fly, which I just find amazing and wonderful.
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And I think it'd be super cool if you had wings that were like,
51:07
I don't know, commensurately large enough to carry you on the
51:10
wind. So for us it'd be way bigger.
51:12
But eagles, I mean, like having an 8 foot wingspan in AI.
51:17
Think it was something like 10 to 15 LB body.
51:21
That is totally wild. Yeah.
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And I think it'd be so cool to just be able to like, from land
51:29
or water or whatever, to just get up, you know, to take off on
51:34
the wind and flap your wings and fly and be able to go up so
51:39
high. Like, so, so, so high.
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When you're that high, you can see the curvature of the Earth.
51:45
It's like amazing to be that high up in the clouds and
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feeling the wind. I like the idea of flying a lot.
51:55
Yes, you brought that up a couple.
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A lot, A lot, a lot. I know you're you're very
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against the idea of flying. So, yeah, you know, I mean, we
52:03
can credit the birds with our ability as humans to fly in, in
52:08
airplanes because we did it and and built our structures based
52:11
on how they look. So anyway, I, I think it's cool
52:16
and I like the idea of being in the wild.
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I mean, the, you know, the idea of, of existing for like just
52:27
yourself. Like not, not in the selfish
52:32
way, but hey, hey, hey, hey, hold on a second.
52:35
I'm just saying for like, for like you're, you're not like, I
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don't know, you're hunting to feed yourself.
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You're being self-sufficient, I guess is what I meant.
52:49
So you're not like stockpiling dead animals for, you know, like
52:56
you, you, you live for the day and you live in the moment And
53:00
you are, you know, obviously when you're a parent, you're
53:05
you're serving your children. But I just the ideas are all
53:10
really cool. OK, I think most animals live in
53:14
the moment. I really do well.
53:16
Humans are bad at it. We are.
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This is one of the reasons why like I'm like I'd pick an.
53:21
Animal. This is not a humans episode.
53:23
I Oh my gosh, Ouch. I was just saying that I think
53:27
that that is common to that is not a specific eagle trait I did
53:32
learn recently, which I had never known before, is that they
53:35
can get stuck when they fight with their talents and like they
53:40
can die. Like they could be up in the air
53:43
fighting and their talents get stuck together.
53:46
Like fighting each other. Yeah, 'cause they do fight.
53:48
I mean, every animal fights. What?
53:50
Do you mean they stick like they stick into the other bird?
53:53
I did not. I mean like I've seen.
53:55
So I used to work with a woman who did like, she was a avian
54:04
veterinarian. And anyhow, one of the things
54:06
she does is she saves these Raptors.
54:10
And so I don't know if she's the one who posted it, but yeah, I
54:13
mean, like that that can happen. And yeah, I mean, hope they hope
54:17
that it's not too high up there so that they don't fall to their
54:19
complete death. But yeah, anyhow, OK, well,
54:23
eagles, because you're into eagles and that's fine.
54:28
You spent a little bit of time debating about where I was wrong
54:31
and I'm just going to tell you, I, I just yeah, it's fine that
54:35
that's what you want to be. I'm still going to stick with
54:38
cat. I think that they're a great
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critter. They are adaptable and they live
54:45
the good kush life, which is what I would like.
54:50
And if they don't, they're still able to adapt out in the wild
54:54
cuz they do. We have feral cats, all of that.
54:58
They get to the best of many worlds.
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So I'm going with cat. I want to be a spoiled house
55:04
cat. That's what I got.
55:07
Well, folks, there you have it. Yeah, two sides of a very
55:12
different coin. Which animal would you like to
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be? Yeah.
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So all you have to do now, why don't you tell them, dear?
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Is you want to vote and that's gonna be done on Spotify polls.
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55:31
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