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Credlin | 29 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: I'm just telling the powers to be. Those two men
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Speaker 2: are my favorite segment all week. I love a show too,
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Speaker 2: but I really like them. Good evening, Welcome to program.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight on Credline underwhelming. That seems
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Speaker 2: to be the prevailing view as the opinion comes thick
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Speaker 2: and fast on Susan Lee's new shadow Cabinet. More on
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Speaker 2: that tonight, including the price paid for awarding the factional
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Speaker 2: BOVA boys over talent. One clear standout though, who's made
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Speaker 2: the great on talent and courage? Andrew Hasty, the newly
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Speaker 2: minted Shadow Home Affairs Minister. He'll join me tonight to
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Speaker 2: discuss the new role. We'll talk about immigration, not just
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Speaker 2: the rate of intake, but the values we expect migrants
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Speaker 2: to uphold and defend. Blasts the self flagellation within certain
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Speaker 2: circles of the Victorian Lipook Party. What it is astounding
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Speaker 2: as judgment day looms tomorrow per former leader John Pizuto
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Speaker 2: and membership concern and that scarce party funds could be
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Speaker 2: used by his mates to bail him out while the
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Speaker 2: coalitions back together again. The Elephant in the room while
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Speaker 2: that still is net zero. So will we get a
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Speaker 2: serious debate on where to now or will the labor
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Speaker 2: like moderates win out?
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Speaker 3: As it is rural and regional Australia and we've been
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Speaker 3: saying this for a long time. Who bears the social,
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Speaker 3: economic and environmental cost of any transition to net zero?
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Speaker 2: I am personally optimistic that we will continue to observe
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Speaker 2: the net zero goal. But first, you heard me last
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Speaker 2: night on the new coalition line are pretty underwhelming, I said,
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Speaker 2: And that's been the general view for most of the
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Speaker 2: media today. Greg Sheridan, writing in The Australian, said that
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Speaker 2: the new shadow ministry selection was weird and the Liberal
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Speaker 2: leader Susan Lee's choices stored up, He said, bountiful troubles
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Speaker 2: for the future. There's a noble illogicality, a determined refusal
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Speaker 2: to use relevant expertise in relevant areas, and overall a
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Speaker 2: starting commitment to incompetence about this shadow ministry. And he
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Speaker 2: finished off his analysis saying that Lee's new shadow cabinet
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Speaker 2: was proof of the old adage that nothing is so
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Speaker 2: bad that it can't get worse. And given the Greg scene,
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Speaker 2: a few shadow cabinets at his time. That's not good. Now,
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Speaker 2: even if you did not vote Liberal at the election,
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Speaker 2: every Australian who wants the best government for our country,
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Speaker 2: she'd hope that Susan Lee and her team succeed because
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Speaker 2: government can only be improved by a strong opposition. Yet,
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Speaker 2: in dropping some strong performers like Sarah Henderson, like Claire Chandler,
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Speaker 2: like Jane Hume, and then sidelining others or demoting them
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Speaker 2: like just Enterprise, I feel that the opposition is only
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Speaker 2: going to make it self the issue because rather than
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Speaker 2: put her best team on the field and demonstrates that
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Speaker 2: she's prized unity over factional rewards, Lee has used a
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Speaker 2: shadow minute to pay back favors and punish those who
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Speaker 2: did not vote for her. Now, John Howard never did this.
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Speaker 2: He always had Conservatives and moderates in his team based
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Speaker 2: on merit and they got to stay there or they
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Speaker 2: were dropped based on performance. Tony Abbott the same. Not
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Speaker 2: so Malcolm Turnbull, who used his ministry as a weapon
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Speaker 2: against his perceived internal opponents and in the end that
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Speaker 2: was part of his undoing. Now, for all the criticisms
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Speaker 2: of Peter Darton post election, one thing that should be
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Speaker 2: properly acknowledged was his ability to hold the team together,
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Speaker 2: which he did in the tough first term of opposition,
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Speaker 2: and to build that team based on talent and experience
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Speaker 2: as well as bringing fresh blood, which he did. He
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Speaker 2: did it based on quality and talent, not about whether
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Speaker 2: they were moderate or conservative, because if a team advances,
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Speaker 2: it advances together. If it fails, well, everyone fails. Politics
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Speaker 2: has a lot of similarities. He was sport. You know,
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Speaker 2: you have to recognize that in our Westminster system, elections
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Speaker 2: are not won by a team of champions, but by
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Speaker 2: a champion team individuals that collectively come together with a
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Speaker 2: unity of purpose, effort and achievement. And when you win,
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Speaker 2: everyone needs to share that win. When you lose, you
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Speaker 2: must be able to put disappointments behind you and play
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Speaker 2: your best game today, regardless of how yesterday played out. Now,
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Speaker 2: I fear that with this huge shadow ministry based on
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Speaker 2: factional matship and not so much merit, this won't be possible.
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Speaker 2: For one thing, I doubt it will be possible to
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Speaker 2: point out all the failings of the government's energy policy
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Speaker 2: at the same time as remaining committed to net zero,
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Speaker 2: the target that all the big emitters have dumped, and
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Speaker 2: that even Tony Blair now says is doomed to fail. Still,
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Speaker 2: Lee has a risk making it worse with her factional picks,
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Speaker 2: most obviously putting the inveterate plotter Alex Hawk into shadow cabinet,
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Speaker 2: with no doubt even more bad groom influence over the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Party. None of this will help her
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Speaker 2: or the party win the next election. It won't make
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Speaker 2: them competitive, and that's got to be her most important
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Speaker 2: task as the leader after it defeated this magnitude. So
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Speaker 2: we'll see. I'm skeptical, given I've worked with most of
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Speaker 2: the people on her front bench before. I've seen them
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Speaker 2: behind closed doors, some of their best, some of their worst.
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Speaker 2: I hope I'm proved wrong, But as I said, we'll see.
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Speaker 2: We'll see. As always, leaders that aren't scared to pick
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Speaker 2: a team smarter than them, braver than them, or they're
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Speaker 2: the leaders that usually succeed those that reward mediocrity, or
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Speaker 2: they tend to seal their own fate. Earlier this week
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Speaker 2: and a remarkably frank address the Indigenous leader, former Labor
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Speaker 2: Senator Pat Dodson has told the rest of us that
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal peopleeople are owed more than just equality, practical reconciliation,
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Speaker 2: he said, and taking steps to close the gaps in
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Speaker 2: close the gap in employment, education and health outcomes. And
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Speaker 2: not enough, said Dodson, because that ignores the inherent and
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Speaker 2: collective rights of the First Peoples of Australia. Practical reconciliation
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Speaker 2: said Dodson suggests that all the First Peoples are entitled
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Speaker 2: to is equality in the standards of life enjoyed by
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Speaker 2: other citizens. And a little more. What he calls and
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Speaker 2: I quote a form of psychological terror nullius is the
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Speaker 2: inability to come to groups with and accommodate the inherent
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Speaker 2: sovereign rights of an indigenous people in a modern nation state.
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Speaker 2: But what exactly are these inherent sovereign rights. If they're
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Speaker 2: the right to a bigger say then everyone else of
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Speaker 2: for what happens in this country, well effectively, that was
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Speaker 2: the proposition of the Voice, and that was overwhelmingly rejected
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Speaker 2: at the recent referendum. If it's the right to benefit
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Speaker 2: sove and above the benefits that other Australians enjoy. But
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Speaker 2: if it's derived not from need or from general entitlament,
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Speaker 2: but from ancestry if that's the proposition, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: If that was ever put to the Australian people for
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Speaker 2: a national vote, I think it too would be resoundedly defeated.
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Speaker 2: At the same Reconciliation WA event where Dodson was speaking,
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Speaker 2: West Australian Premier Roger Cook announced that every Aboriginal person
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Speaker 2: still living removed from his or her family prior to
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy would receive eighty five thousand dollars from West
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Speaker 2: Australian taxpayers.
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Speaker 4: In recognition of the harm and trauma experienced Bistall and
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Speaker 4: generation survivor under historical laws and policies that disadvantage to
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Speaker 4: disadvantage Aboriginal people.
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Speaker 2: Now what sort of burden of proof will Cook apply
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Speaker 2: against these payments. Sure there were different standards in those
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Speaker 2: days and things done that we wouldn't do now, but
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Speaker 2: it's like payments for this for what was done legitimately
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Speaker 2: within the laws of the time. They make me very
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Speaker 2: uncomfortable about how we treat the past and our history.
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Speaker 2: As Bob Hawk famously said on the day of our
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Speaker 2: bicentenary in nineteen eighty eight, in this country, there is
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Speaker 2: no hierarchy of descent. There is no privilege of origin.
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Speaker 2: But that's exactly what most Aboriginal activists want, and most
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Speaker 2: labor and peas are still inclined to give it to them.
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Speaker 2: Not just the respect owed as we should to the
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Speaker 2: first Australians, but special rights based on ancestry. Now, just
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Speaker 2: as we rejected to classes of citizens during the Voice debate,
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Speaker 2: we must also reject this latest push from Pat Dodson.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get the headlines now. Good gee, we've
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Speaker 2: got the supercar to night, haven't we, Election analyst Tom Connell.
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Speaker 1: A day after managing to get the coalition back together,
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Speaker 1: the Opposition leader wanted to sprook a fresh start and unity,
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Speaker 1: but the questions focused on who is not on her
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Speaker 1: front bench team after Jane Hume and Sarah Henderson were dumped.
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Speaker 5: Look, I don't want to reflect on individuals and individual
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Speaker 5: appointments except to say everyone remains important.
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Speaker 1: The Liberal leader says her first job is to do
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Speaker 1: less talking.
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Speaker 5: To listen, pete to listen, and it is vital that
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Speaker 5: we go back with humility to the Australian people and
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Speaker 5: we hear what they want us to hear.
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Speaker 1: But one policy has already been decided. To lift the
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Speaker 1: moratorium on nuclear power and demand by the nationals.
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Speaker 5: There's plenty of work to be done in terms of
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Speaker 5: nuclear energy policy more broadly after that.
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Speaker 1: But that hasn't placated at least some National MPs, including
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Speaker 1: one who used to be leader and now finds himself
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Speaker 1: on the back bench.
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Speaker 2: And this is the right team to do it.
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Speaker 6: Team that's been chosen, and I'll get in behind that team,
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Speaker 6: as I'm sure Barnaby will.
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Speaker 7: As well, and we'll work hard.
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Speaker 8: I realized, you know, you've got to sit on the
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Speaker 8: pine for a while, and that's okay.
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Speaker 1: And there is still a push on climate policy to
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Speaker 1: consider scrapping net zero by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 3: The is rural and regional Australia. We've been saying this
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Speaker 3: for a long time. Who bears the social, economic and
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Speaker 3: environmental cost of any transition to net zero.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister was forced to defend his government's budget
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Speaker 1: decisions today after a report claimed that if there were
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Speaker 1: a conflict in the near future, Australia might not be prepared.
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Speaker 7: We are spending a lot of money, as we should,
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Speaker 7: on these exquisite capabilities that are likely to come to
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Speaker 7: fruition in the late twenty thirties. Twenty forties like the
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Speaker 7: Orcat submarines. But with the world as dangerous as it is,
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Speaker 7: so many national security threats, there is a risk that
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Speaker 7: we have a gap in the short term.
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Speaker 1: Anthony Alberanezi going after the organization itself.
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Speaker 8: Well, that's what they do, isn't it has to be.
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Speaker 8: I'm in seriously, they need to I think have a
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Speaker 8: look at themselves as well and the way that they
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Speaker 8: conduct themselves in debate.
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Speaker 1: Tom connell Sky News.
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Speaker 2: Camera, all right, plan to get through it, don't have me?
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Speaker 2: Owur journalist for Daily Telegraph, James Willis Emidia commentator Caroli Katsambardas,
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you. Both. Assessments today the new lawk Opposition
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Speaker 2: shadow ministry coming thick and fast. Much of it surrounds
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Speaker 2: the fact that there are now fewer women on the
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Speaker 2: Opposition front bench, certainly in shadow cabinet, with a particular
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Speaker 2: emphasis on well performing conservative women being demoted or dumped
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Speaker 2: all together. This point today was put to Susan Lee.
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Speaker 5: Look, I don't want to reflect on individuals and individual
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Speaker 5: appointments except to say everyone remains important and the women
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Speaker 5: that you've mentioned are talented and will continue to contribute
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Speaker 5: incredibly well. Of the new shadow ministry that I announced
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Speaker 5: is women.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Pete.
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Speaker 5: I want to see more women, more women come into
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Speaker 5: our party, and I was able to announce women who
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Speaker 5: are younger in terms of their political career, and I
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Speaker 5: know that they're going.
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Speaker 2: To do very well too. Now, Karly Sarah Henderson that
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Speaker 2: issuedd have stated yesterday she said she was disappointed. I
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Speaker 2: spoke here last night, had just into napaty p. Price.
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Speaker 2: She was disappointed she's been demoted a Claire Chandler, she's
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Speaker 2: been dumb to. I mean, no one could accuse these
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Speaker 2: women of lacking in performance or capacity, and I reckon
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Speaker 2: you know the fact that they're all conservative women. It
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Speaker 2: feels like they have been targeted. I might add two
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Speaker 2: that these women who have been dropped have been replaced
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Speaker 2: by women that aren't even elected yet in the parliament.
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Speaker 9: Peter, that's a great point. The other point to make
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Speaker 9: is thank god there is a coalition again. But the
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Speaker 9: problem is these women, Claire Chandler, Just Center and also
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Speaker 9: Jane Hume. They are women that have been in the
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Speaker 9: trenches for the last three years. I mean, no one,
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Speaker 9: I mean without just Center Price. You know, she's single
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Speaker 9: handedly achieved you know, helped to achieve the no vote
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Speaker 9: as well. It seems to be a lot of maneuvering
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Speaker 9: behind the scenes. And my worry is that one could say, well,
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Speaker 9: you get what you get, but you don't get upset.
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Speaker 9: But the problem is if you are one of those
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Speaker 9: three women, it's no point Susan Lee saying, oh, look,
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Speaker 9: you know they'll continue to contribute and I want more
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Speaker 9: women to come in. You've got three great women there,
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Speaker 9: and yes, some mistakes were made by Jane Hume and others,
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Speaker 9: but it's a conservative party. As you often say, you
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Speaker 9: can't be labor light. These are three women that have
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Speaker 9: proven themselves as great performers and I just think that, yeah,
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Speaker 9: you're completely right. I think they have been targeted as
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Speaker 9: conservative women. However, the task is now the next three years.
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Speaker 9: We've got to get to the next election and hopefully
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Speaker 9: present a united front and be the alternative government of
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Speaker 9: the Australian voted public votes for.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, and I'll make a point about joy and
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Speaker 2: Yume too. She wasn't the only one who supported the
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Speaker 2: work from home policy. I mean Susan Lee was the
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Speaker 2: deaf of the leader. It would have crossed her desk
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Speaker 2: agus Taylor, who stays in the shadow cabinet, it would
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Speaker 2: have crossed his desk. I think there's a bit of
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Speaker 2: cherry picking of blame there going on. Now she's not
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Speaker 2: a conservative, she's a moderate, but I don't think she
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Speaker 2: should be on the back bench. There are some moderates,
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Speaker 2: of course, who do warrant they warrant promotion. There's some
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Speaker 2: impressive CVS in a number of those people, but there's
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Speaker 2: also some factional hacks too, who I would regard as
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Speaker 2: having very little ministerial merit. Alex Hawk's a good example here.
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Speaker 2: I mean he's been parachuted right into cabinet. The place
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Speaker 2: is going to leak like a sieve. I'll tell you why.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that I'd be happy about that. There
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Speaker 2: are some other good ones, so I do concede that.
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Speaker 2: I just think this has been James willis the cabinet
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Speaker 2: you have or the cabinet you create where you're basically
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Speaker 2: making more enemies than friends. And that was a hallmarker
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Speaker 2: sort of the term lera. We don't want to go
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Speaker 2: back to that. And we know Peter Dutton was able
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Speaker 2: to put moderates and conservatives there and hold the show together.
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Speaker 2: I think more than ever that's the job of Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee and to rebuild. Listen and rebuild.
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Speaker 10: We'll good evening to you, Peter, and I think in
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Speaker 10: the lead up to the leadership contest between Angus Taylor
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Speaker 10: and Susan Lee, we were assured by some of the
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Speaker 10: people that you had shown on the screen that there
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Speaker 10: were no deals, no promises, and there were no rewards
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Speaker 10: for getting behind Susan Lee. I think you're right. I
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Speaker 10: think there are some people that have been rewarded based
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Speaker 10: on which faction they are in the Liberal Party and
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Speaker 10: indeed who they supported to get Susan Lee over the
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Speaker 10: line by a handful of votes. On the women that
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Speaker 10: you've just identified, Sarah Henderson, Jane Human, also Claire Chandler,
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Speaker 10: I think they were three of the great performers in
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Speaker 10: terms of cut through with the media. They did a
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Speaker 10: lot of media in that first term of the Albanezi government.
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Speaker 2: They've got a very good.
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Speaker 10: Public profile and I think they've got good relationships with
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Speaker 10: a lot of media outlets and I think that does
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Speaker 10: count for something. So to not reward that and identify
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Speaker 10: that is a mistake in my view. The other issue
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Speaker 10: we've got in New South Wales is of course, the
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Speaker 10: Liberal Party is such a rabble here. We've got administrators,
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Speaker 10: are three very respected senior Liberals that are effectively running
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Speaker 10: the party.
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Speaker 2: But as the days go on, the moderates.
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Speaker 10: In particular and some of the senior New South Wales
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Speaker 10: liberals want them gone, want the power to come back,
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Speaker 10: want you know, the executive to come back into place.
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Speaker 10: And I'm not convinced.
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Speaker 2: That's still a good idea.
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Speaker 10: I think the last couple of years has been such
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Speaker 10: a rabble that we'd be better off keeping a few
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Speaker 10: senior heads in for now and seeing how things play out,
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Speaker 10: because we're far from good at this point in time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The people who speak speak about their two former
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Speaker 2: Federal Party presidents are Stockdale and Richard Awson in particular.
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Speaker 2: Both of them are redrafting the constitution in newt Earth Wilds,
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Speaker 2: that's what they are asked to do, prepare the party
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Speaker 2: for the federal election and also redraft the constitution. And
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Speaker 2: James they want to put more power back in the
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Speaker 2: hands of the rank and file, the factional warlords on
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Speaker 2: the right and the left that I want that, so
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Speaker 2: they don't want this federal intervention extended beyond the data
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Speaker 2: of June. A lot of members wanted extended, a lot
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Speaker 2: of factional bother boys do not, So this will be
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Speaker 2: a showdown very shortly, won't it.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right, And we've identified that there's been issues
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Speaker 10: with pre selections and Susan Lee, I might add have
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Speaker 10: this issue before the last election on the one before that,
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Speaker 10: I think Alex Hawk. We know that Scott Morrison took
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Speaker 10: control of all the pre selections prior to the twenty
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Speaker 10: twenty two campaign. We've also had issues, Peter, as you
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Speaker 10: know with councils. Local councils have not a single Liberal,
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Speaker 10: even previous Liberals that were just seeking re election all
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Speaker 10: got wiped out because the Liberal Party in New South
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Speaker 10: Wales couldn't get their paperwork in on time. And on
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Speaker 10: top of that, you've had issues with branch stacking that
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Speaker 10: is ongoing. We're hearing stories about all the time. We've
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Speaker 10: brought you a few about Angus Taylor and a takeover
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Speaker 10: by staff at Alex Hawk's office that's been unfolding. So
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Speaker 10: they're a long way from being trusted to have their
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Speaker 10: house in order and I think for the time being
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Speaker 10: would be better off in those tave hands, redraft that
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Speaker 10: constitution and figure things out. But mind you, there aren't
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Speaker 10: many New South Wales Liberals left in the Federal Parliament
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Speaker 10: as we know.
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Speaker 2: Keep you here to the ground. I think this is
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Speaker 2: going to get pretty interesting. Before that deadline, let's go
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Speaker 2: down to Victoria. The ban on the sale of machetes
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Speaker 2: is now in force. The Premier today warning retailers that
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Speaker 2: they are still selling knives and she's after them.
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Speaker 11: Consumer Affairs have established a task force and they will
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Speaker 11: be out from today ensuring that retailers are complying with
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Speaker 11: this ban, ensuring that these dangerous weapons are not on shelves,
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Speaker 11: and any retailer found not to be complying with this
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Speaker 11: ban faces hefty penalties.
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Speaker 2: Well, we had a whole lot of retailers reported in
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Speaker 2: the media still selling the weapons, some for as there
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Speaker 2: is four dollars for a machete, one shop selling three
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Speaker 2: big machetes for less than eighteen dollars. I'll tell you what,
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Speaker 2: I'd be terrified of a task force of Consumer Affairs
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Speaker 2: crely that I'll be shaking in my boots if they
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Speaker 2: were going to knock on my door. Because we have
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Speaker 2: the whole issue with vapes there supposedly on legal paper
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Speaker 2: not available. But of course I could walk into any
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Speaker 2: tobacconist right now and ask the right question, and then
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Speaker 2: we pulled out from under the desk.
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Speaker 9: Well, Peter, I don't want to knock you over with
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Speaker 9: a feather, but I noticed that the Premier doesn't say
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Speaker 9: that the task force is actually made up of fourteen officers,
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Speaker 9: and those fourteen officers were actually the officers for the vapes.
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Speaker 9: So now they've swung from vapes to machetes. The other
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Speaker 9: thing is this is a fascicle. This is a ban
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Speaker 9: on the sale of machetes. Using the machetes doesn't come
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Speaker 9: into law until September first. It's been criticized widely because
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Speaker 9: it's just words. It's a chaotic thing. Police have actually
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Speaker 9: said they are meant to be these disposal bins where
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Speaker 9: the blades can be put in with no you know,
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Speaker 9: as part of an amnesty. But the problem that we've
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Speaker 9: also got is tonight we've got laws being rushed through
19:54
Speaker 9: the Victorian Parliament because the new appointment for the Victorian
19:57
Speaker 9: Chief Commissioner as a New Zealand.
19:59
Speaker 2: Gentleman sixty years old.
20:00
Speaker 9: He was retired apparently to be a head of Victoria Police,
20:03
Speaker 9: you need to be an Australian citizen. So now they're
20:05
Speaker 9: changing the laws and we've had just the chaos. We've
20:08
Speaker 9: got a thousand officers, one thousand vacancies in the police force.
20:13
Speaker 9: This does nothing to keep Victorian safe. We saw the
20:16
Speaker 9: diabolical scenes at north Land Shopping Center on the weekend
20:19
Speaker 9: and ironically they've arrested all the youths that.
20:24
Speaker 2: Were involved in it.
20:25
Speaker 9: One of them was wounded, but that fellow is already
20:27
Speaker 9: out on bail and he's now been rebuiled. So we're
20:30
Speaker 9: going around and around in circles again and it's putting
20:34
Speaker 9: the safety of Victorians at severe risk.
20:38
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the Victorian liberals are still squadbling amongst themselves. You're
20:42
Speaker 2: going to understand why Victorian voters and businesses are justifiably angry. Hey, James,
20:49
Speaker 2: what's the latest Your story last week about these dodgy,
20:52
Speaker 2: potentially lethal hot water systems funded with taxpayer money. You're
20:57
Speaker 2: calling a pink that's two point zero. What can you
21:01
Speaker 2: tell us?
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Speaker 10: Well, Peter, I could actually spend the rest of your show,
21:07
Speaker 10: and indeed the rest of the night, talking about what
21:09
Speaker 10: I've looked into over the past week. My mind almost
21:12
Speaker 10: exploded a few times by just how complicated this is,
21:15
Speaker 10: and you'd think something like a hot water system would
21:18
Speaker 10: be very straightforward, but instead what the government has done,
21:21
Speaker 10: and this was massive in New South Wales and Victoria
21:24
Speaker 10: in particular, but also applied to Queensland and South Australia
21:27
Speaker 10: and other areas, was basically encourage people to get rid
21:31
Speaker 10: of an electric or a gas hot water system because
21:35
Speaker 10: they said they were bad for the environment and not
21:37
Speaker 10: good for the planet, and gave you an incentive to
21:40
Speaker 10: basically get a heat pump, which is a better or
21:43
Speaker 10: more energy efficient version. The problem is that the state
21:46
Speaker 10: and federal incentives were stacked that allowed these systems to
21:50
Speaker 10: be installed for free or thirty three dollars in a house,
21:53
Speaker 10: and as a result of that, it allowed this feeding
21:57
Speaker 10: frenzy where we had cowboys in the same way pink
22:00
Speaker 10: bats happened under the RUG government basically installing these things unlicensed,
22:04
Speaker 10: no qualification, dodgy goods from overseas, and the government in
22:09
Speaker 10: New South Wales was not checking tradespeople licenses until November
22:12
Speaker 10: that was two years after the scheme started. Victoria's had
22:15
Speaker 10: a chakra in this space as well, four hundred thousand
22:19
Speaker 10: of these heat pumps were installed between twenty twenty two
22:22
Speaker 10: and the end of last year without having to meet
22:25
Speaker 10: a standard minimum performance standard which applies to TVs and
22:30
Speaker 10: other appliances. So this is a gold medal example of
22:33
Speaker 10: net zero green energy policy just being rushed through with
22:37
Speaker 10: no consideration for the consequences. And as a result, people
22:40
Speaker 10: have got these things in their homes. They're breaking down
22:42
Speaker 10: after a few months. They're potentially dangerous. It's a mess,
22:45
Speaker 10: and it's got Chris Bowen and Matt keenan New South
22:48
Speaker 10: Wales in particular, all over it.
22:52
Speaker 2: In his way to the subsidies for the batteries come James,
22:55
Speaker 2: because they are like a veritable bomb on the side
22:59
Speaker 2: of your house. If you think things are bad now
23:01
Speaker 2: with the scooter fires and all the other stuff that
23:05
Speaker 2: has come from these lithium ion batteries, wait till you've
23:07
Speaker 2: got a unit on the side of a suburban house.
23:10
Speaker 2: I'll look for your stories. Then, Thank you, James, Thank
23:13
Speaker 2: you Caroly. All right, after break, it's time for some
23:15
Speaker 2: Saturday the net zero debate, and one such voice of reason,
23:18
Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty in our moment class is the newly minted
23:21
Speaker 2: Shadow Home Affairs Minister. What's going to be is approach
23:24
Speaker 2: to immigration, not just the rate of a Margaret intake,
23:27
Speaker 2: but also do they adopt Australian values. Welcome back and
23:34
Speaker 2: to tell you how smart, in my view is you've
23:36
Speaker 2: made the point that people will just cross the marrying
23:38
Speaker 2: if I want to get a machete or buy them
23:41
Speaker 2: online from the overseas. This is just an absolutely toothless
23:44
Speaker 2: band in Victoria. Still to come though platitudes from someone
23:48
Speaker 2: in the Liberal Party about supporting women, that's not the
23:51
Speaker 2: case in Victoria. The targeting and Moyer redeeming. The deadline
23:54
Speaker 2: is tomorrow for John Bersuita to pay up. I'll get
23:56
Speaker 2: you the latest and that in a moment. But first
23:59
Speaker 2: despite in the coalition and we know that the issue
24:02
Speaker 2: of net zero by twenty fifty will remain the next
24:04
Speaker 2: issue inside the Liberal and National parties. I was very
24:07
Speaker 2: pleased last night when I watched the ABC and I
24:10
Speaker 2: heard those comments from Liberal MP Andrew Hasty, which restored
24:15
Speaker 2: some perspective into this debate.
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Speaker 6: The question of net zero again, that's a straight jacket
24:21
Speaker 6: that I'm already getting out of. The real question is
24:25
Speaker 6: should Australian families and businesses be paying more for their electricity.
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Speaker 2: I'm pleased to say, The new Shadow Home Affairs Minister
24:34
Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty joins me. Now, Andrew, I think you're spot
24:37
Speaker 2: on with those comments, and I think Australians absolutely want
24:41
Speaker 2: an adult debate on this. I don't just want the
24:43
Speaker 2: politicians to debate it, we want a community debate as well.
24:46
Speaker 2: But you also went further and you exposed I guess
24:49
Speaker 2: the hypocrisy that lies at the heart of the budget.
24:53
Speaker 2: On one hand, we're bringing in all these expert revenues
24:55
Speaker 2: because we sell our coal and our gas and our uranium,
24:59
Speaker 2: so we think it's worthy to sell. But we're stopping
25:02
Speaker 2: Australians using it here and we spent all these billions
25:05
Speaker 2: to go green.
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Speaker 6: Good evening, Peter, That's right, there's massive hypocrisy at the
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Speaker 6: heart of the net zero economy. The world's three largest emitters, China,
25:16
Speaker 6: India and the USA are pretty much walking away from
25:20
Speaker 6: net zero. The US has walked away through President Trump
25:22
Speaker 6: with the executive order that he gave in January to
25:26
Speaker 6: walk away from Paris. China has only committed to net
25:29
Speaker 6: zero by twenty sixty, but only after they peak by
25:33
Speaker 6: twenty thirty with their emissions, and India is aiming for
25:36
Speaker 6: twenty seventy. Both China and India are growing in their
25:39
Speaker 6: coal uptake, and we provide. We were the biggest exporter
25:43
Speaker 6: of coal last year in twenty twenty four, almost fifty
25:46
Speaker 6: six billion US dollars. So the hypocrisy is this, whilst
25:50
Speaker 6: we're denying Australians our own abundant fuels for power, we're
25:55
Speaker 6: sending them to China and India particularly, who are actually
25:57
Speaker 6: growing their emissions. And so if people are really serious
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Speaker 6: about net zero, they should ban our coal exports and
26:03
Speaker 6: they should be honest with the Australian people about what
26:05
Speaker 6: that would do with our tax revenue and how we
26:07
Speaker 6: wouldn't be able to fund the NDIS, our healthcare and
26:11
Speaker 6: a whole range of other essential government services.
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Speaker 2: And we're not just selling our coal and our guests
26:17
Speaker 2: to these countries. We're actually making them stronger. I mean,
26:20
Speaker 2: they are growing their manufacturing capability, they are making defense
26:23
Speaker 2: steel out of our iron ore, they are powering their
26:28
Speaker 2: economies and they're growing their own national security. At the
26:31
Speaker 2: same time here we're weakening our capacity. I mean we're
26:35
Speaker 2: about to shut down in South Australia the only place
26:37
Speaker 2: that can make rail lines, so we'll not be able
26:40
Speaker 2: to make rail lines in Australia. We've got issues with fertilizer,
26:43
Speaker 2: with urea, we've got other issues with our alminium which
26:45
Speaker 2: you know are looming, and we've just basically closed down
26:49
Speaker 2: the last manufacturer of architectural glass in Australia. Or because
26:53
Speaker 2: you know, we're ticking the box when we're only one
26:55
Speaker 2: percent of the problem and the rest of the world's
26:58
Speaker 2: doing whatever they like, that's right.
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Speaker 6: We're forcing the cost of this on Australian families, seniors,
27:05
Speaker 6: businesses and industry, and our businesses are either closing down
27:08
Speaker 6: or going offshore because they can't compete anymore. So we're
27:11
Speaker 6: deindustrializing at a rapid rate, and we've got to start
27:15
Speaker 6: fighting for the Australian people. Our job as the opposition
27:17
Speaker 6: is to give an alternative policy to labors. And as
27:22
Speaker 6: long as we accept their terms, which is zero, is
27:24
Speaker 6: where we want to go. I will never be able
27:26
Speaker 6: to provide an alternative. So that's why I think we
27:29
Speaker 6: first of all have to take the moral high ground
27:31
Speaker 6: and call out these hypocrites who're more than happy to
27:33
Speaker 6: sell coal and gas and uranium to the world's biggest emitters,
27:36
Speaker 6: and yet force increase poverty on Australian families and are
27:40
Speaker 6: dropping living standards because they're paying through their nose to
27:43
Speaker 6: pay the cross subsidy for the renewables sector that are
27:46
Speaker 6: getting from our government policy.
27:51
Speaker 2: I know you've got a portfolio where it includes immigration.
27:54
Speaker 2: I'll get to that in the moment, but a real sense,
27:56
Speaker 2: I really send Sandra here fire in your belly in
28:00
Speaker 2: a way I haven't seen since you got into parliament.
28:02
Speaker 2: So please tell me that this is how you are
28:05
Speaker 2: going to operate this term, that you are actually going
28:07
Speaker 2: to be a bit more forthright because Australians are desperate
28:11
Speaker 2: for some leadership here.
28:13
Speaker 6: They are desperate for some leadership and we're going to
28:15
Speaker 6: give it as part of the coalition under Susan Lee,
28:18
Speaker 6: and I'm going to be a strong voice for it
28:20
Speaker 6: as the Shadow Minister for Home Affairs. I really do
28:23
Speaker 6: care about this country. I care about our sovereignty. It's territorial,
28:26
Speaker 6: it's digital sovereignty, but it's also it's also our economic sovereignty.
28:30
Speaker 6: And if we can't generate reliable, affordable base load power,
28:34
Speaker 6: if we're completely dependent upon countries like China for renewables
28:38
Speaker 6: in solar and wind, we will not be a sovereign country.
28:41
Speaker 6: And so this is really critical. Energy security is national security,
28:46
Speaker 6: and this is an area that I'm going to work
28:47
Speaker 6: very closely with Dan teen on because it's absolutely essential
28:50
Speaker 6: that we get it right and we provide an alternative
28:52
Speaker 6: for the Australian people when they go to the polls
28:54
Speaker 6: in three years time, they should be thinking the coalition
28:57
Speaker 6: they're fighting for us and they want to deliver cheaper,
28:59
Speaker 6: affordable power of my family.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's go another area. Immigration. We're open in Australia
29:06
Speaker 2: having a debate about the quantum and how quickly they come.
29:09
Speaker 2: So the overall numbers you were different than labor, and
29:13
Speaker 2: how quickly they come you were different than labor. But
29:15
Speaker 2: when it came to the debate about the values, what
29:19
Speaker 2: sort of Australians are we importing? Do they want to
29:23
Speaker 2: embrace our values where they defend our values. That's a
29:26
Speaker 2: debate that's starting to happen overseas. I think places like
29:29
Speaker 2: the UK sadly in some areas and some regions are
29:32
Speaker 2: too far gone. But are we going to start to
29:34
Speaker 2: have that fight in Australia or that debate in Australia,
29:38
Speaker 2: because you know, we have a non discriminatory immigration system. Fine,
29:44
Speaker 2: and I do not think we should discriminate on race,
29:47
Speaker 2: but by God Andrew, we should discriminate on values. You
29:51
Speaker 2: don't meet our values, you don't get to come.
29:55
Speaker 6: Look, I think it's a very basic entry requirement that
29:58
Speaker 6: people who want to live in our country, which is
30:00
Speaker 6: a very special country, sign up to our values. You've
30:03
Speaker 6: got to learn English because that's our common language that
30:05
Speaker 6: we speak together as one people. And you've got to
30:07
Speaker 6: share our values, which are democratic and which believe in
30:10
Speaker 6: the dignity of the individual, which respect for your neighbor
30:14
Speaker 6: participating in this great democracy. Because Australian democracy, whilst being
30:18
Speaker 6: one of the oldest continuing democracies, will only continue to
30:21
Speaker 6: go forth if we have a population engaged in the
30:23
Speaker 6: political process who believe in our common values and who
30:26
Speaker 6: are willing to protect and defend them. And that's the
30:28
Speaker 6: sort of people that we want joining our countries. So
30:31
Speaker 6: our policy is non discriminatory, it's color blind, but we
30:34
Speaker 6: have to insist on some fundamentals and it has to
30:36
Speaker 6: be values first and foremost.
30:40
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations and your appointment again to the front bench.
30:42
Speaker 2: And I also should say, unlike most of your colleagues
30:45
Speaker 2: around the country, and you've got to swing to you
30:47
Speaker 2: in your wast of Canning. So congratulations there to your
30:50
Speaker 2: campaign team and yourself and your family. Thank you, Andrew.
30:54
Speaker 2: Right after the break, the story that should allarm all
30:56
Speaker 2: parents is incidents of violence rise amongst children, children to
31:00
Speaker 2: children violence and it's linked back to violent online pornography.
31:04
Speaker 2: Not an easy discussion, one we must have class. The
31:07
Speaker 2: network player at the center of the transgender controversy lashes out.
31:12
Speaker 2: More on that too, Welcome back still to come. What
31:19
Speaker 2: next for Donald Trump's tariffs? A federal trade court has
31:23
Speaker 2: ruled them unconstitutional. The first psychologists are sounding the alarm
31:27
Speaker 2: and the damaging impact of violent pornography on young children
31:31
Speaker 2: amid a shocking rise in child on child sexual assaults
31:35
Speaker 2: and New South Wales alone, almost three thousand children were
31:39
Speaker 2: sexually assaulted by other children last year. That's a forty
31:43
Speaker 2: six percent increase from twenty to fifteen. JOTED went out
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Speaker 2: to discuss this Australian Center for Child Protection Director Professor
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Speaker 2: Leah Bromfield. Well, let tell you what, Leah. I warned
31:53
Speaker 2: my viewers that this is a difficult topic to discuss,
31:56
Speaker 2: but we're talking about reporting by teachers of sexual violence
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Speaker 2: between children, and some are as young as four years
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Speaker 2: of age. What on earth is happening, Peter?
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Speaker 12: It is really concerning. We've seen over the last several
32:16
Speaker 12: decades the incidents of child sexual abuse that's perpetrated by
32:19
Speaker 12: adults decrease. We should be beating the problem of child
32:23
Speaker 12: sexual abuse in this country, but the fastest growing form
32:27
Speaker 12: of child sexual abuse now is sexual harm caused by
32:30
Speaker 12: other children.
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Speaker 2: So we talk about violent pornography, but I mean, how
32:38
Speaker 2: is this happening that you've got six seven eight year
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Speaker 2: old kids accessing violent pornography and even contemplating what it
32:46
Speaker 2: is and mimicking that sort of behavior amongst their peers.
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Speaker 12: The answer is the Internet. When we look at what's
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Speaker 12: changed in our society and what's leading to this huge
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Speaker 12: rise in sexual calm, it's what's in children's happening in
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Speaker 12: children's bedrooms, in our laund rooms while we sitting next
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Speaker 12: to them on the couch. Our kids have got all
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Speaker 12: of this information that's now coming into that onto their screens.
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Speaker 9: You know.
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Speaker 12: The report by the e Safety Commissioners showed a very
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Speaker 12: large proportion of Australian children are actually seeing sexual images
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Speaker 12: online that they're not seeking, so they're just popping up
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Speaker 12: in their feed This is really damaging for kids. And
33:31
Speaker 12: then when I start seeking that information, when they start thinking, oh,
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Speaker 12: this is normal, this is where I get my sex said,
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Speaker 12: then what they're seeing is horrifically violent pornography.
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Speaker 2: Okay, no young child has a fire without the parent
33:47
Speaker 2: giving it to them and paying for the phone bill
33:50
Speaker 2: and keeping it internet connected. I mean, what can parents
33:55
Speaker 2: now reasonably do. I mean, we'll talk about big tech
33:57
Speaker 2: in the moment, but what can parents and grandparents and
34:01
Speaker 2: aunts and uncles do to sort of root this out
34:05
Speaker 2: if we can get involved in a practical way to
34:09
Speaker 2: best protect children.
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Speaker 12: And absolutely that is what has to happen. One of
34:16
Speaker 12: the problems we have with child sexual abuse is actually
34:18
Speaker 12: that as adults, we find it really uncomfortable to talk
34:22
Speaker 12: to kids about sex sexuality. So there's a whole piece
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Speaker 12: there around monitoring what's happening, talking to kids about what's
34:30
Speaker 12: happening on their devices, being aware, putting in screen limits,
34:35
Speaker 12: having those conversations all the time. But the reality is
34:39
Speaker 12: that even if you are locking down your kid's phone
34:42
Speaker 12: then they might still see it through their mate on.
34:45
Speaker 2: The school bus.
34:46
Speaker 12: So we also actually have to we have to be
34:49
Speaker 12: the alternate voice for our kids, and even though it's
34:52
Speaker 12: really uncomfortable as parents, as grandparents, we have to take
34:56
Speaker 12: those opportunities for the incidental conversations. When you see something
35:02
Speaker 12: in a movie on TV, you know, an off color remark,
35:06
Speaker 12: use it to have that conversation with kids about what
35:09
Speaker 12: are healthy relationships. If we don't go there, they're getting
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Speaker 12: their sex head online and it's causing boys and girls
35:17
Speaker 12: so much damage. We don't want our boys to be
35:20
Speaker 12: getting our sex their sex head and thinking this is
35:22
Speaker 12: what a positive relationship looks like. You know, I'm talking
35:26
Speaker 12: about protecting boys and girls by having this conversation.
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Speaker 2: I really appreciate you putting this into the public domain.
35:35
Speaker 2: I mean, I have to say I used to work
35:36
Speaker 2: for the Communications Minister many years ago, so you know
35:40
Speaker 2: I felt I had a handle on the problem. But
35:42
Speaker 2: I tell you why, after reading when you've uncovered in
35:45
Speaker 2: the work you're doing, Leah, I had no idea, particularly
35:48
Speaker 2: in a relation to young ones and the sexual violence.
35:51
Speaker 2: So thank you. All right, Australia, that's a conversation where
35:54
Speaker 2: we're going to have at home. As much as we
35:56
Speaker 2: want big tech to step in. Let's return out a
35:59
Speaker 2: looming deadan tomorrow for former Victorian Liberal leader John Pizzuto,
36:03
Speaker 2: who's been alwayed by the federal court to pay some
36:05
Speaker 2: two million dollars in legal costs, having lost his case
36:08
Speaker 2: the defamation case against his colleague more redeeming now. Understandably,
36:12
Speaker 2: liberals concerned about perzuto seat of Hawthorne. They don't want
36:15
Speaker 2: to buy election and they want to avoid it at
36:18
Speaker 2: all costs, are having discussions about the Liberal Party and
36:21
Speaker 2: one of its financial entities, of Cornback Foundation, stepping in
36:24
Speaker 2: to bail our John Perzuto. Last night I said that
36:28
Speaker 2: would be morally wrong to use Donus' money in that way. Well,
36:32
Speaker 2: the feedback I've had from you when party mems around
36:34
Speaker 2: the country are too what if you're very strongly about it,
36:37
Speaker 2: you do not want this to happen. Now, John Berzuto
36:40
Speaker 2: can pay up, and if you can't pay, it's a
36:43
Speaker 2: lot of money. I accept that those who backed him
36:46
Speaker 2: is financial backers, the billionaires and others, Well they should
36:49
Speaker 2: pay up in his behalf. And this is a mess,
36:52
Speaker 2: but it's one of Perzuto's own making, and it's something
36:55
Speaker 2: that has been discussed right around the country. Lucy Zelig's
36:58
Speaker 2: joining me now. She's put it into respective in a
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Speaker 2: brilliant column in the Newscort papers today, and please say
37:03
Speaker 2: she joins me now. Well, Lucia, I read your column
37:06
Speaker 2: last night. It was a cracker. You're not inside the
37:10
Speaker 2: party like me, and I've been following this case for
37:13
Speaker 2: a long time, but you gave it a lot of
37:15
Speaker 2: moral clarity, and you're saying that, you know, the Liberal
37:18
Speaker 2: Party has got problems with women, and then they're doing
37:21
Speaker 2: this to one of their own, and they wonder why.
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Speaker 13: It's true, Peter, And unfortunately it's a tag that they
37:27
Speaker 13: haven't been able to shake since the biggest fraud in
37:30
Speaker 13: feminist history, Julia Gillard decided to get up with that
37:33
Speaker 13: infamous speech and hurl those nasty slurs at the then
37:36
Speaker 13: Tony Abbott at the time. And I think it's just
37:39
Speaker 13: a disgrace, particularly given that she, under her leadership, decided
37:43
Speaker 13: to include gender identity in the sex discrimination Acts. So
37:47
Speaker 13: it's all quite comical. But at the end of the day,
37:50
Speaker 13: what we're seeing play out here in Victoria, it is
37:52
Speaker 13: a mess and it is by John Purstudo's hand. I mean,
37:56
Speaker 13: nobody wants to see anyone end up in this scenario.
37:59
Speaker 13: I don't hope that he ends up bankrupt. We don't
38:02
Speaker 13: like to see this in fighting within the Liberal Party.
38:05
Speaker 13: We don't also like to see that they're having to
38:07
Speaker 13: sue one another just to be able to clear their names.
38:10
Speaker 13: But this is a reality that Moi Redeeming was thrust into. Unfortunately,
38:13
Speaker 13: he was given an opportunity, as the judgment read in
38:17
Speaker 13: her case in December twenty twenty four, when she won
38:20
Speaker 13: that defamation trial. He was given the opportunity to settle
38:24
Speaker 13: this matter before it went to the federal court for
38:27
Speaker 13: a sum to the tune of ninety nine thousand dollars
38:30
Speaker 13: without an apology attached to it.
38:32
Speaker 7: Which is crazy.
38:33
Speaker 13: But refuse not to took his arrogant position all the
38:36
Speaker 13: way to the federal court, full well knowing that this
38:39
Speaker 13: could be something that could potentially bankrupt him and ruin
38:42
Speaker 13: his political career. Now it's a shame that this is occurring.
38:46
Speaker 13: I'm a Liberal Party loyalist and have been for twenty years.
38:49
Speaker 13: But to ultimately, if you are going to falsely accuse
38:52
Speaker 13: someone of being a neo Nazi for simply standing up
38:55
Speaker 13: at a rally and declaring biological reality and advocate hating
39:00
Speaker 13: for the safety of women and girls in single sex
39:02
Speaker 13: spaces and sport. Then you should pay the consequences for that.
39:07
Speaker 13: And as I said in my column, you made your
39:08
Speaker 13: bed now, John, you need to line it.
39:12
Speaker 2: And it's not a controversial position. I mean, two years
39:16
Speaker 2: on from that rally, of nearly two and a half
39:18
Speaker 2: years on from that rally, you've got the UK Supreme
39:21
Speaker 2: Court upholding the very thing that demon was expelled from
39:25
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party and defending it. And it's not a
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Speaker 2: culture issue. I get really angry when people try and
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Speaker 2: say this is a culture war issue, this is about
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Speaker 2: biology and common sense.
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Speaker 13: And they love to lean on that particular tagline as well,
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Speaker 13: don't they, Peter, the so called culture war. Let me
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Speaker 13: be very clear in this, this isn't a culture war.
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Speaker 2: This is a war on women's rights.
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Speaker 13: Anytime that women are being silenced for simply trying to
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Speaker 13: declare that sex matters, that biological reality is a thing,
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Speaker 13: that's a war on their ability to speak out. And
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Speaker 13: as I also pointed out in my column, so much
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Speaker 13: for this, particularly from the left, about let her speak.
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Speaker 13: And you know, all these things about hashtag me too
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Speaker 13: and encouraging women to stand up and to share their stories,
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Speaker 13: they're not being encouraged to do that in this particular situation.
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Speaker 13: And I think one of the greatest issues, aside from
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Speaker 13: the fact that you know, this is a conflation of
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Speaker 13: rights between women's rights and trans rights. And let's also
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Speaker 13: be clear that trans these are human beings that we're
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Speaker 13: dealing with. But it's the conflation of the two rights
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Speaker 13: is what has led to this ultimate mess and we're
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Speaker 13: seeing it play out not just here in Australia but
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Speaker 13: globally as well. And I think we have to move
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Speaker 13: to a point now where we start actually supporting women
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Speaker 13: who have this view rather than shaming them and calling them,
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Speaker 13: you know, transphobes and bigots and Nazis. Shutting down the
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Speaker 13: debate does not progress this conversation, and we desperately need
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Speaker 13: progress because it's quite clear that this simply is not working.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 2: We are this sort of evidence of that to s
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Speaker 2: the other day, transgender Nepple Plan knocking out to opponents
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Speaker 2: in a netball game. They went to the ground. There's
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Speaker 2: been a win for common sense. There too, are the players,
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Speaker 2: including the one you can see here. They've now been
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Speaker 2: banned from competing in this particular female on the competition.
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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what, you shouldn't have to put
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Speaker 2: that to where our news media outlets across the country
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Speaker 2: for governing bodies of sport to take action.
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Speaker 13: No, but it's unfortunately the reality that we're in Peter
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Speaker 13: because the governing bodies around the country with a multitude
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Speaker 13: of sports, have shown I men's cowardice when it comes
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Speaker 13: to this particular issue. When I think Netball Australia is
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Speaker 13: one of them. Off the back of the announcement last
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Speaker 13: year when World Netball made the decision to ban transgender
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Speaker 13: competitors from the competition, the conversation was brought here to
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Speaker 13: Australia and I had it with the team over at
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Speaker 13: the Project. Liz Ellis was also on the panel at
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Speaker 13: the time and she said that, well, trans women aren't
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Speaker 13: coming at the sport in droves, regardless of the numbers.
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Speaker 13: That's not the issue here. The point that we need
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Speaker 13: to talk about is the integrity of the sport, the
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Speaker 13: safety of the sport, and also the undermining of the
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Speaker 13: very reason these two categories were created in the first place.
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Speaker 13: But you won't see much more movement from a Nepaul
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Speaker 13: Australia on this issue because Les Liz Ellis has now
42:14
Speaker 13: been reappointed as the chair over there. So too many
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Speaker 13: of our institutions are ideologically captured by this, so many
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Speaker 13: of the politicians, and you've referenced Senator Claire Chandler earlier.
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Speaker 13: It's a shame that she's been kicked back to the
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Speaker 13: back bench, but she was someone that was advocating so
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Speaker 13: fiercely on this particular front. We need more people within
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Speaker 13: these relevant institutions to stand up and have a voice
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Speaker 13: on this so that we can put an end to
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Speaker 13: this madness and actually reverse the decisions that were made
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Speaker 13: by the Gillard government in twenty thirteen to include gender.
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Speaker 2: I can tell you act. I can tell you let's
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Speaker 2: Sen Claire Chandler will be unleashed now, not even constrain
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Speaker 2: one iota because she's not in the shadow cabinet. And
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Speaker 2: we rely on you. You are a sports broadcaster as well
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Speaker 2: as obviously a commentator or broad and I always look
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Speaker 2: to your comments, particularly in the realm of sport and women.
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Speaker 2: So you keep up the fight. I'll keep up the
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Speaker 2: fight and Claire Channelers, you'll get back into it. I
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Speaker 2: can guarantee you that. Thanks for your time. All after
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Speaker 2: the break, the federal court steps into block Donald Trump's
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Speaker 2: sweeping tariffs. What's it means for Australia and the PM
43:16
Speaker 2: A swipe and aspy. We'll get to that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. A US federal Trade court has blocked Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump's sweeping Liberation Day tariffs on most countries, including Australia.
43:31
Speaker 2: I even that the President has overstepped his constitutional authority.
43:35
Speaker 2: Lawyers the Trump administration about to appeal the ruling. Now,
43:38
Speaker 2: the White House has issued a statement saying it's not
43:40
Speaker 2: for unelected judges to decide how to properly address a
43:43
Speaker 2: national emergency. To discuss this and well, let's bring in
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Speaker 2: my international panel sky and is contributed Kosher Gartera and
43:49
Speaker 2: former Labor m P Michael Danby. Well, I'll tell you what, Michael,
43:52
Speaker 2: this is a blow, but given Trump's usual sort of practice,
43:55
Speaker 2: it'll be a stumble, not yet a fall.
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Speaker 14: Everything's a deal. Appeals will deal with It's just like
44:01
Speaker 14: the higher courts will deal with overruling by district courts
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Speaker 14: in some remote place in America of getting rid of
44:11
Speaker 14: immigrants who have committed crime. So I think it will
44:16
Speaker 14: end up in the right place. I'm an old fashioned
44:21
Speaker 14: free trader, but tariffs in some cases might work, and
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Speaker 14: I think what there'll be a deal where they come down,
44:29
Speaker 14: but he'll be allowed to do it by the courts eventually.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm afraid trainer too when there's a level playing field,
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Speaker 2: and a lot of the countries that we trade with
44:36
Speaker 2: around the world increasingly there's no level playing field. So
44:39
Speaker 2: I think that's where you've got to sort of adjust.
44:41
Speaker 2: Call On Ely talked to me about the big, beautiful
44:44
Speaker 2: bill that went through the Congress, and of course there's
44:48
Speaker 2: lots of elements in it, but it's also precipitated the
44:51
Speaker 2: departure of one very big figure in the administration.
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Speaker 15: Yes, Elon Musk, his time was coming to a natural
44:57
Speaker 15: end anywhere because he had the special deal that necessarily
45:00
Speaker 15: necessitated him leaving it one hundred and thirty days or so.
45:02
Speaker 15: But he did make some cutting remarks about how the
45:04
Speaker 15: cuts don't go deep enough, which is true. What it
45:07
Speaker 15: does do is on the revenue side, for in terms
45:09
Speaker 15: of tax cuts for Americans, it went pretty far. It
45:13
Speaker 15: allows Trump to keep the tax cuts they did in
45:15
Speaker 15: twenty seventeen that are due to expire. He's added more on.
45:18
Speaker 15: He's increasing taxes on university endowments and other things like that.
45:22
Speaker 15: More deregulation and business friendliness and all that's good, but
45:25
Speaker 15: it doesn't cut deeply enough, and it factors in tariff revenue,
45:28
Speaker 15: which is a wild card. We don't know how that
45:30
Speaker 15: story is going to end. If not, it's going to
45:32
Speaker 15: add four trillion to the thirty six trillion dollar deficit.
45:34
Speaker 15: And that's what Musk and other fiscal hawks are taking
45:37
Speaker 15: issue with. But spending cuts has never been Trump's main thing.
45:40
Speaker 15: He's getting what he wants interoms of tax cuts, provisions
45:43
Speaker 15: for the wall, and things like that. And I think
45:44
Speaker 15: he's taking what he thinks he can get and kicking
45:47
Speaker 15: the can down the road on spending, and.
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Speaker 2: He'll be out of demonstrate to the electric invited for him.
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Speaker 2: I said I would do all of these things, and Larin,
45:53
Speaker 2: what is the significant omnibus bill?
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Speaker 15: That's right, and he's doing it. He's also a pragmatist,
45:58
Speaker 15: so all these things are about horse trade. And it
46:00
Speaker 15: already passed my very narrow margin. So he's taking what he.
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Speaker 2: Can get when China. Michael went after Australia a while
46:06
Speaker 2: back and had a whole list of demands, all these
46:08
Speaker 2: things that we needed to do to get back in
46:10
Speaker 2: their good books. One of them was to scrap a body,
46:14
Speaker 2: a policy defense think tank called ASPY. It's run out
46:17
Speaker 2: of camera, it's been supported by partisan for many, many years.
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Speaker 2: It looks to me that the Prime Minister might be
46:24
Speaker 2: swayed here by Beijing. Have you listened to these comments?
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Speaker 8: Well, that's what they do, isn't it, ASBI. I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 8: they need to I think have a look at themselves
46:37
Speaker 8: as well and the way that they conduct themselves and debates.
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Speaker 8: We've had a defense strategic review, We've got considerable additional
46:45
Speaker 8: investment going into defense.
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Speaker 2: Now what prompted that was the latest cost of defense
46:53
Speaker 2: report from ASBY that says we've been left with a
46:55
Speaker 2: hollowed out defense department by the Albanesi galvvent. But the
47:01
Speaker 2: targeting of ASSPI that makes me very nervous.
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Speaker 14: It's been I'm with Kim Beasley and John Howard and
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Speaker 14: sending this up on with a bipartisan view on national security.
47:10
Speaker 14: We have one less squadron of F thirty five's we
47:14
Speaker 14: have three of the four mechanized battalions in the Australia
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Speaker 14: and the ADF abolished. They've hollered out the defense forces
47:21
Speaker 14: in order to pay for the submarines in the future.
47:24
Speaker 14: And if people are not allowed to say that, that
47:26
Speaker 14: is censorship and it's a mark of the total failure
47:31
Speaker 14: of the alp Right in the National Caucus to point
47:35
Speaker 14: this out. Of course, the Prime Minister from the Socialist
47:39
Speaker 14: Left woant to quiet in their critics. That's what they've
47:41
Speaker 14: always done. In fact, they set up this inquiry into Aspy,
47:44
Speaker 14: which had a predetermined yess Minister kind of results a
47:48
Speaker 14: hit job. They went to quiet in their critics and
47:51
Speaker 14: Asby was serious, solid information, particularly on China.
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Speaker 2: And I'll make the point too. You know, defense bureaucrats
47:58
Speaker 2: will be there for twenty or thirty years throughout their career,
48:01
Speaker 2: and if they are uniformed, when they retire from the military,
48:05
Speaker 2: they often come back as lobbyists and consultants. The minister's there,
48:08
Speaker 2: if you're lucky, for four or five years, and so
48:11
Speaker 2: you need an external party to hold the bureaucrats, quite frankly,
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Speaker 2: to account, which is what Askeby does. And I think
48:18
Speaker 2: this is part of the agenda not just of the
48:20
Speaker 2: government but the bureaucrats to avoid scrutiny.
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Speaker 14: Well, this is why I'm glad Michael Schubrich and Peter
48:25
Speaker 14: Jennings have got out into a separate organization because at
48:28
Speaker 14: least their voices can't be stifled.
48:30
Speaker 2: Because he's blown out. They'll still live on to be.
48:33
Speaker 14: Find another day like Pallas General Marion from the Swamp
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Speaker 14: Fox days in America.
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Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on with this Harvard contagion? Donald Trump
48:42
Speaker 2: and international student visas? That looks like it's spreading across
48:45
Speaker 2: other institutions.
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Speaker 15: So this is a continuation of a fate that this
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Speaker 15: organization has picked with the university sector. Tactically, they're alleging
48:53
Speaker 15: that they haven't been forthcoming with requests about information of
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Speaker 15: academic misconduct or other tapes of misconductnduct by international students,
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Speaker 15: and with respect to those protests or even otherwise sharing
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Speaker 15: video footage from it another door antisanitism, yes, and beyond
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Speaker 15: that as well, just any international student who's misbehaving. They're saying,
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Speaker 15: we are entitled to that information and Harvard is allegedly
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Speaker 15: slow walking that. But the real reason for it is
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Speaker 15: going taking the fight to the sector, which is that
49:20
Speaker 15: ultimately it is an American institution. It is not a
49:23
Speaker 15: global entitlement. That we do have sympathy for international hardworking
49:26
Speaker 15: students who are excited to go there and now may
49:29
Speaker 15: not be able to depending on how this ends up.
49:31
Speaker 15: But they get a lot of benefits from the American
49:33
Speaker 15: tax payer direct funds, taxes and status of a very
49:36
Speaker 15: rich endowment fund. They're not particularly friendly to the administration,
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Speaker 15: and he's not afraid to fight dirty, I think in
49:43
Speaker 15: a way that people don't before, and that's what this
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Speaker 15: is about.
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Speaker 2: Interesting LaVette, thank you very much. That's if it may
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Speaker 2: have a lovely way. Can I'll be back on Monday,
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Speaker 2: of course, but up the extent you Bob