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Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 5 Episode 9 - Listening to Fear · Shit 90s Shows Taught Me | Felicity/ Buffy the Vampire Slayer/ Boy Meets World / Dawson's Creek/ 90s TV

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before Just be how never ended with those How you need as a door Searching for something to put a smile back on your face Just remember in unusual times I can come from an unusual place
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need a partner for the ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word and I'll be there Just ask
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's 20, 20 That ain't far enough behind me So if you want this sweetest honey I think hindsight's 19, 19 Isn't me pretending I got a hand I can land Who's like you really can need a friend Just ask
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[SPEAKER_04]: So are we welcome back to shit 90 shows top me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just early in here with my co-hosts.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're hungry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're how are you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Jess, I feel as though if anybody is watching our YouTube's, you got
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[SPEAKER_03]: abducted by the aliens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've taken you away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They have put you in a creepy little shack.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know all over my face.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's gloop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's gloop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's gloop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got glooped.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you got glooped.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you're going to be able to come back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just just shows my commitment to the podcast that I am.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm on vacation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm on vacation on vacation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I love work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like you're in Burmuda.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, let's be real.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, I am away.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We are staying on my parents' cabin for the week.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We decided to take a week off between the holiday on Monday and then my husband's birthday and our wedding anniversary all kind of falls around the same time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and come and joy the fall leaves falling and the cool fresh air.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's where I am currently.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So apologies if you're watching the video, my setup is not ideal, but I'm working with what I've got.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have a light in front of my face.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So at least I'm not sitting in darkness.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the line for your face from an interrogator because you're getting abducted and you're getting murdered.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's only so much I can do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But this episode, season five episode nine, listening to fear.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like
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[SPEAKER_04]: If not for the a few of the revelations, this episode, when it comes to Dr. Ben, I don't know what understand if people were doing a rewatch and maybe skip this one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just very heavy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a very heavy episode of Buffy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, she's kind of a filler episode, but also I think it's like important for Buffy and Dawn's character development.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really liking what they're doing in that department a lot, and I feel as though I've done it complete
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[SPEAKER_03]: 180 on dawn.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm very happy to hear that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I really really like her and I really like their dynamic as sisters, especially because like there's a 100% chance Joyce is a dead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So like
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 150%, so like they're going to need each other and Joyce makes Buffy promise.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I mean, not that way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was so sweet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't necessary.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just, I mean, in terms of, but there's no way Buffy wouldn't take care of that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I know, but I was still very touched by the scene, especially because with everything going on with Joyce's health, obviously,
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[SPEAKER_04]: whether or not she really means those things.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's still saying them and so the impact like impact versus intent or whatever, right like Donna still impacted by that, but she is still impacted by everything she's saying and yeah well we'll get into all of that because there is like
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, this is some like very heavy stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like based on what some people have told us about what to expect from season six about like it being heavier, it dealing with like some serious topics.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It feeling dark right it feeling a little depressed so at times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like we're getting a little sneak peeks of it here with like the joys and her daughters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is, I am so sorry to keep comparing it to Harry Potter, but this is the order of the Phoenix that sets us up for book six, book six season six.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Huffleprens, which is like a real.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Super, it's like kind of dark.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We get like a lot of like creepy backstory, which is actually my favorite Harry Potter book, but because of all of like the background stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, it's like darker like Harry Potter's dark.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's always like a little
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we're focusing on season five right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of stuff happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, the focus of this episode is like Joyce is about to get surgery.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She, we end the episode of her going into surgery and throughout it, like she's progressing like the tumor is pressing on her brain and is making her say like really.
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[SPEAKER_03]: crazy things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: However, at the same time, there's a lot of people saying a lot of crazy things that people are going quote unquote crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, does everybody have brain tumors?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I still think that it is a brain tumor, but like, how does it relate and coincide with all the other, like, right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it I do want to like mention a few things here because you brought it up right of we have the mental ward is overloaded at this point we hear from Dr. Ben.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're booked to capacity so they're ending up sending some people home with families who can take care of them which it's so many thoughts on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I think it's interesting that Joyce is experiencing some of those experiencing some of those symptoms where she's saying things she doesn't really mean and kind of just like very she's just saying strange things.
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[SPEAKER_04]: However.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She didn't come into the hospital as a like mental ward patient, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like she came in because she has had these really bad headaches.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so she's presenting differently, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're not treating her the same way that they're treating those patients.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And yet,
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[SPEAKER_04]: The monster that we will talk about, the nasty, black, tar, legless, larva monster is treating her a very similar way, treating her like he has to quail the the mental patient or whatever they wanted to say.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I think that's really interesting and I think we'll have to talk about how glory kind of works into this and how she's connected to all of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's, it is really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like they're definitely has to be more to the joy thing than just coincidentally.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She has a brain tumor at the same time that everyone in town is losing their minds.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just interesting to me that it is a little different.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not presenting the same way and yet Sarah, it does have the similar results in terms of what she's
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[SPEAKER_04]: Her realization of Dawn is not mine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it proximity to Dawn?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it the fact that like Dawn, she's living with Dawn, she almost like Dawn is a ball of radiation that is
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's getting more and more affected by it, but then like why does nobody else get that so It's it's I It's one of those things is like I feel like we're so close, but like I just don't know what it is like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I think
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[SPEAKER_03]: it's like maybe we're circling around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she'll answer anything one piece of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then it's going to be the end of the season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we were like, Oh, duh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, how did I not see that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like it has something to do with the fact like it's done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the fact that like she was able to see clearly at a second.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that like I caused an aneurysm slash brain tumor, I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then,
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[SPEAKER_03]: She is simultaneously like gang affected and the tumor is growing the more that she spends with dawn, but then like I do know that like one things are pressed against your brain like you can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: um like speech or yeah, like things can get impacted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's like all the above.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just like don't you know what?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a scientist.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not, how am I supposed to know?
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're not Dr. Melissa.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are not brain doctors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't know all of this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, we should get some way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We should get a consultant.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we need to get a consultant to tell us what the
10:03
[SPEAKER_04]: It is interesting that like now Dawn has had three separate instances where people have basically said called her a thing and said she's nothing right like said she's wild and like said all these mean things to her we have the guy in the hospital this episode.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, who says there's no data, there's no pictures that thing there when he talks about Don the guy outside the magic shop who did like the little miss muff it quote to her.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then obviously Joyce calling saying you think you're nothing you're a shadow, which obviously stuck out to me because the tumor is called the shadow like there's a lot of references to shadows, which I think you spot on in terms of.
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[SPEAKER_04]: proximity to Don, because like you said some sort of radiation situation, the shadow is Don and now has infected Joyce and Buffy is somehow immune because she's a slayer and whatever whatever she says.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's like everybody okay, but they don't live with her.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: who doesn't live with her?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the other people, like the Scoobies or Giles, like they still live with her, though.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think you're right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's the closeness, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: The proximity.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Dawn and the other thing is, Dr. Ben, because what we might as well talk about him here, another part, I don't refuse to call him a Dr. Ben.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's probably a fake doctor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's not, like he's probably half demon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a medical student.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this man is a sham and you're like, this is this prestigious doctor Ben, but go on, I'm Ben, yeah, he, I haven't even been but go on, what do you want me to call him?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Ben, this is where the very first time we see in this episode, I started to feel an inkling of a red flag.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know, I know you've been on this train.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You've been on this train.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm giving you all the credit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have been very against Ben.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, very, I see Ben.
11:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever seen that Demiolavato tweet where it's like,
11:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Get away from her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Get a job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every time I see Ben, I literally think like get away from her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like every single time since the moment I've seen them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, like part of it is like your in my ear being like, oh, like hot, hot doctor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not talking to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm interested.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, get away from her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Get a job taken.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This was the first time I felt a little inkling that something was wrong is when he approaches Buffy and Don and Willow at the hospital after Don gets accosted by the mental patient.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, hey, what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What did he say?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's like very he's pestering her with questions to the point where I was like, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I am merely with a little bit
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then, of course, we get the confirmation by the end of the episode that the same guy that was working for Glory shows up in Ben's car.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we find out Ben is the one who summoned the Queller who will talk about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he says he did it to clean up Glory's mess.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like he's done his whole damn life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm thinking he's her brother.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that feels right to me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're both hot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that tracks show.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But if he, so if he is summoning the Queller, which is meant to kind of put down mentally unstable people, that means that glory is the cause of the mental instability in sunny Dale, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, that track.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, yeah, and I think as though
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, I feel like that has made sense for a while aside from the fact that like the monks literally mess with everybody's memories.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like when you're messing with Memories and people's brains like I feel like that's bound to happen, but then glory is probably like if there was no Like no sort of threat to the monks
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[SPEAKER_03]: spells or their powers, then maybe it would be more seamless.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like it makes a lot of sense that, I mean, this whole situation, like they did this whole spell thing because glory was going after the portal slash keys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just like, you know, causing a fact, causing a fact.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, one is one's affecting the other.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that was really interesting that the the guy who comes to like chastise, Benton about summoning the Queller is like, we don't need this unwanted attention.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, but all the people in this town are going nuts.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, how is that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: How?
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[SPEAKER_04]: How?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It just feels like, I mean, maybe he's just mimicking what like reeling a message from glory, because glory loves chaos.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like she loves, she thrives on it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then the other question being like, okay, so this
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[SPEAKER_04]: Alien thing, the Queller, follows Joyce and the girls home, seemingly because it thinks that she's mentally unstable.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, she we've seen she's not as bad.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She hasn't reached the point of the other people that are in the ward, but I mean, I guess because they're all dead already.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, who's next?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm still hungry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I still got work to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, Sarah, I need to ask you because
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[SPEAKER_04]: so many thoughts on the decision for joys to go home, rather than having to stay literally a day and a half in the hospital.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This felt like such a poor decision.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, obviously, the patient is going to want to leave.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The patient with a brain tumor wants to go home
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[SPEAKER_04]: What are we doing here, doctor?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What are we actually doing?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you're like, hmm, 18-year-old, 20-year-old girl, she should be able to handle administering meds and watching her younger sibling while also taking care of her mom.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What are we doing here, doctor?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Truly, where is the, where is the
16:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, like, it was clear to me that this was a really screwy move as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, this is this whole hospital.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But like, what do we expect from a hospital within Sunnydale?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's an honestly, they're probably like, we need beds because we're communicating more and more patients.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I totally agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that this was an unhinged decision by the doctor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't trust this doctor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, we were like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: This guy is terrible, but I manner he's like rude and like, I don't know, he like remember in the last episode he was just like power of piling stuff on to Buffy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So like I don't love this doctor anyway, but this was such a bad decision.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And also once again, it's like a day, you know, before the surgery, it was so it's.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I understand that she wants to go home like that's totally understandable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course she wants to go home, but I feel as though, I don't know, I would keep her in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It'd be a different story if she was post surgery, and it's been like a couple weeks of monitoring and
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they want to go home then.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Buffy's like, OK, I can minister like the medication.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I can watch her of anything happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can bring her back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't feel like I would have a problem with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But especially because
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[SPEAKER_03]: she just has been having these like incidences where she says these like really unhinged things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I also feel like it came up nowhere from Buffy and I honestly think it's just like a mechanic for Buffy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: enjoys and dawn to come home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think like it's just like a story mechanic that the show had to do because like if we're thinking about this logically like I don't think Buffy would have wanted her mom to come home at that moment seeing her have these like blitz.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think Sophie, yeah, I think Buffy is kind of like, okay, the way I viewed it was Joyce is really suffering like she really doesn't want to be at the hospital.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She said time and time and time again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to be here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to go home.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Buffy is you've seen her before.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We've talked about this about her being like, I'll fix it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll handle it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I've got this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's very much like a fixer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She has this maternal side where she's always taken care of other people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think between her wanting to do that for Joyce and also wanting them not to all be cooped up in one room and Dawn having to suffer in that way as well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think Buffy is kind of like let's just do this at home.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They'll all be more comfortable.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I could see from a character perspective why she would feel that way, especially because she does take so much on that this is like nothing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's another thing on the pile of things Buffy is taking care of.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But like, yeah, the doctor in my opinion, I'm not blaming Joyce or Buffy in this case.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm blaming the doctor for not saying this is strongly against what I think is the best thing for you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like you be going home against doctors, recommendations, like
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because he knows, he listed a ton of symptoms that she may have from this tumor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I'm sorry, she's like a flight risk.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's a danger for herself and others.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You don't know what she's gonna say or do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, this is not a person that should be at home in the care of her two daughters.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that is just a young daughter.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just not the right thing to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like there's no more proof of that than when it was like, let's send Joyce to bed, but not give her any of the sedatives that the doctor escaped us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not getting nothing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's not a freaking doctor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like unbelievable, all bad decisions being made here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, Sarah Hooken really blamed Buffy for wanting to have a moment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: to herself doing the, she's still doing the dishes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's still taking care of her family, but she's turning up some Latin music, and she's crying it out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, a classic, crying, clean dishes, is such a mood.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How relatable is that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not to me, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty sure that I've cried and done dishes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I've definitely taken moments of privacy to myself and just like let it all out, like whether that be even if it's not crying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like the times where I get where I allow myself to like let the rage out, it's usually completely on my own, like in my car, like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: gutter rules, dream of aggravation, um, haven't had that in a little bit, thank God, knock on wood, but I just feel like, Buffy and I are very similar in that way of like, our purist, like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: deepest emotions.
20:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to do that in front of people.
21:02
[SPEAKER_03]: People are not going to see that side of me.
21:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Crying, yeah, I think my relation is anger.
21:11
[SPEAKER_03]: When I have those angry moments,
21:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then I just like let myself go like that, uh, but yeah, I mean, that really, that really hurt.
21:26
[SPEAKER_03]: One more thing about the joyous thing.
21:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, everything turned out okay.
21:30
[SPEAKER_04]: So, surprisingly, so much worse could have happened.
21:35
[SPEAKER_04]: She kind of set fire to their home truly.
21:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, she just randomly gets up starts making breakfast like dropping things.
21:41
[SPEAKER_04]: She again, she could have heard
21:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, an alien attacks them and they live because I just want to say Dawn is a rock star because this thing is terrifying looking she attacks it and then when it like screeches at her I love her screaming like
22:00
[SPEAKER_04]: Don is an icon.
22:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Don is a legend.
22:02
[SPEAKER_04]: She took care of her mother all while feeling like her mama's saying awful things to her when her mom is not feeling well.
22:10
[SPEAKER_04]: She's a little bit of an almond mom telling Buffy she's fat.
22:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, really out great stuff from Joyce because of this tumor, but Don perseveres.
22:19
[SPEAKER_04]: I I love this episode for Don because again, the character work.
22:23
[SPEAKER_04]: you know, she's the younger sibling.
22:24
[SPEAKER_04]: I love her.
22:25
[SPEAKER_04]: But she she's very strong.
22:27
[SPEAKER_04]: She's very resilient.
22:28
[SPEAKER_04]: And I do think she's smarter than people give her credit for in terms of picking up on things.
22:35
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I really loved this episode for Don, but she was very strong.
22:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so we got let's talk about this monster.
22:43
[SPEAKER_03]: So nasty.
22:45
[SPEAKER_03]: This I do not know that aliens were a possibility in this show like I barely things be fallen from space now.
22:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know that this is like.
22:56
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's bad enough that we have to worry about things from down below, not Australia, like they're okay.
23:02
[SPEAKER_03]: But down under, not down under, but like, you know, like hell, but also we had to worry about things from the sky now Jessica, we haven't talked about aliens on this show before what's your stance on aliens.
23:16
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's silly to say that aliens don't exist because space is just so vast, they're bound to be something else out there.
23:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, do you think that you're going to see aliens in your lifetime?
23:29
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no.
23:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Number one, because anybody should want to come to Earth at this point.
23:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Like we totally fucked up this planet like beyond repair.
23:38
[SPEAKER_04]: So no one's like, hmm, those people look smart and interesting.
23:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Let me go check them out, probably not.
23:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Number two, because if the aliens did contact us, again, I don't think I'm their choice.
23:49
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
23:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Like if you're looking for like the
23:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Probably not going to be the girl with like a pretty average life in upstate New York, you know, sure.
24:00
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.
24:01
[SPEAKER_03]: What about you?
24:01
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you feel about aliens?
24:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, my stance on aliens is the same stance on robots.
24:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I respect the aliens.
24:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I respect them.
24:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that they have a place in this world.
24:13
[SPEAKER_03]: If they come down, I just want to know that like, I'm an ally.
24:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm cool with you.
24:18
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, I don't fuck with you.
24:20
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
24:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Like yeah, I just want you to be your own alien person and if you take over the world, just like remember that like peace be with you and I'm cool, you know, and that's my stance that's my stance with the robots to I respect them all robots and I make sure I see that.
24:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I can get because I know that they're listening, right?
24:46
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I know that I know that they're listening.
24:48
[SPEAKER_03]: So like, I don't believe this podcast, yeah, I'd like you.
24:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that you're cool and your 900 teeth, like those are cool.
24:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you look like you have great dental health, why he didn't use his legs.
25:00
[SPEAKER_03]: He had legs.
25:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
25:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I like that you can stand on the ceiling.
25:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's really cool too.
25:07
[SPEAKER_03]: So like, why is it spin up goop in people's faces?
25:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Like it looks like you've heard of him.
25:13
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you've got so gross.
25:15
[SPEAKER_04]: The goop was so nasty and the fact that after it looked like Joyce had, have you ever done those like wax things where you get wax on your hands, then you like peel it off?
25:25
[SPEAKER_04]: It looked like someone had done that to her face.
25:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Look, like, I think it's a cool power in my sense.
25:30
[SPEAKER_03]: This alien has, I respect you alien and your group.
25:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And everything about you, I respect you.
25:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like, I really don't.
25:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, as much as I love it, I love it.
25:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Sarah, I love it.
25:42
[SPEAKER_04]: It's one of the same.
25:43
[SPEAKER_04]: It isn't, though.
25:45
[SPEAKER_04]: In real life, in real life, I am just so opposed to a group because I don't like when my hands feel briny and sticky.
25:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, if I...
25:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Give myself like a PBJ sandwich or something.
25:55
[SPEAKER_04]: And I get jelly on my hand immediately washing my hands.
25:58
[SPEAKER_04]: I just like, I'm the girl that like have you seen the, have you seen like the TikToks and stuff where it's like, if you like crack an egg, and then you immediately like turn on the sink and like rinse your fingers off because it's just like the gooeyness.
26:13
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't, I don't get that algorithm, honestly.
26:17
[SPEAKER_03]: That seems like it's perfectly curated for you, my dear.
26:22
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't get a lot of the Taylor Swift algorithm, but I do get the wash or hands after eggs algorithm.
26:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
26:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't like how this thing didn't use its legs.
26:31
[SPEAKER_04]: It was really nasty, but you know what?
26:33
[SPEAKER_04]: You know who swooped in to save the day, Sarah?
26:35
[SPEAKER_04]: You know who was there?
26:36
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, did it help out?
26:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, fucking creep in a half.
26:40
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just hanging out on the basement, sniffing her panties, stealing her panties.
26:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, it was over.
26:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I gotta say.
26:46
[SPEAKER_03]: But, I, what's again?
26:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's pretend Buffy is one of our best friends, right?
26:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Like she's one of our best friends.
26:55
[SPEAKER_03]: She's far away from him, Buffy.
26:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like why are we, why are you rooting for a man that like literally is about to steal all of her dirty socks and then make a, like Olga Pataki shrine out of person.
27:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Helga Pataki.
27:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Helga Pataki.
27:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Olga probably did things too.
27:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
27:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Olga was the cool sister.
27:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's the thing.
27:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Number one, the reason I do it is mostly because you hate it so much that I really get a lot of joy out of it, him though, but you hate the pairing.
27:29
[SPEAKER_04]: You hate the even you hate the chatter of a pairing.
27:33
[SPEAKER_03]: You, you, you, that I feel like a lot of noise that I don't need in my life.
27:37
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so number one, that's why.
27:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Number two, I just like spike as like a character.
27:42
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's very fun.
27:43
[SPEAKER_04]: And I like the banter they have back and forth.
27:46
[SPEAKER_04]: So those are the main two reasons I do love because he's there.
27:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Again, he's being a creep out and getting photos of her.
27:52
[SPEAKER_04]: He's there to help out though.
27:54
[SPEAKER_04]: And he like throws Buffy a knife, which I freaked out of originally because I was like, Oh my god, like who just chunks a kitchen knife like that.
28:01
[SPEAKER_04]: But of course, she's nice and nice.
28:03
[SPEAKER_04]: That's stab stab stab.
28:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
28:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Kills them on stir and comes Riley, who we will talk about because I have so many thoughts on Riley.
28:11
[SPEAKER_04]: And I love Spike being like, sorry, you missed out.
28:14
[SPEAKER_04]: You weren't here to affect your girlfriend, but I was, Mr. what is it, Mr. Stigio girl?
28:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's what Spike is giving.
28:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Spike, Spike, nagging Riley is actually pretty funny.
28:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Because he's right, like he, I mean,
28:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Spike is always there because he's stalking buffy because he's obsessed with her.
28:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Riley's out and doing stuff, question mark, but he's right, like Riley came like 20 minutes too late, like, you know, Riley could have should have been there, but he was there like blowing
29:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I do think that spike begging Riley is a really funny and dynamic.
29:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that I think that, I think that angel and Riley are both like, get easily flustered by spike.
29:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're very similar in that serious, both of them.
29:23
[SPEAKER_04]: They're serious.
29:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they could be serious.
29:25
[SPEAKER_04]: And now Riley has turned into a sad boy, which Angel has always been.
29:30
[SPEAKER_04]: So they have that in common as well.
29:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I still, yeah, do you want to get into?
29:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have anything else to say about spike before before?
29:38
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm ready to talk about Riley because he's going through it.
29:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't totally understand what he's doing.
29:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Besides the fact like obviously a ton of self sabotage.
29:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's interesting that like he's letting all the vamps just like suck his blood because I thought this last episode.
29:57
[SPEAKER_03]: when I saw him go to that girl, like was like, oh, you know, try my neck, try my, try my flavor.
30:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, my, I was like, is he going to ask him, ask her to turn into a vampire so that he can have some sort of power.
30:14
[SPEAKER_04]: And, and I don't know if that's what we're walking towards or moving towards, like, that would surprise me, just, and I know this is like meta, but like because we're kind of doing that on the angel, that would like surprise me.
30:27
[SPEAKER_04]: We're doing it on Buffy too with Darla, with all the Darla stuff.
30:30
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like that'd be a step too far because he really does hate the desires.
30:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he wants to become one.
30:37
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he wants to like feel, he wants to, he wants to, I want to feel something.
30:42
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, he's like, he's getting the, like,
30:47
[SPEAKER_04]: basically the vampire version of a bloat job this episode Which is like okay, he's ditching the scoobies who were on patrol and like really struggling to like do things like Port Giles is getting the shit kicked out of him like this man.
31:01
[SPEAKER_04]: He's supposed to be a watcher He's not supposed to be on the front lines leaving alone, you know?
31:05
[SPEAKER_03]: He wants it to be he wants it to be that's wrong him
31:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Riley is like, oh, okay.
31:11
[SPEAKER_04]: We're all here.
31:12
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a thing that fell from the sky.
31:13
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's check it out.
31:14
[SPEAKER_04]: He's all up on it.
31:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Like my guy on you.
31:17
[SPEAKER_04]: It's right about the radiation.
31:18
[SPEAKER_04]: Like watch your drunk near that stuff.
31:20
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you do want to be in for it.
31:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I don't know.
31:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Get away from it.
31:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And then he's like, oh, you guys go and risk their tunel.
31:26
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not that smart.
31:27
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I don't see the bucks.
31:29
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're like, okay, call us, blah, blah, blah.
31:32
[SPEAKER_04]: He immediately picks up the phone and calls the fucking government.
31:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, bro, I thought we entrusted the government it doesn't really agree.
31:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that he needs to go back.
31:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm late to be honest with you.
31:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that he needs to go back to the initiative.
31:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that this is where he's going to wind up, unless he becomes a vampire or dies, and some weird situation.
31:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's time.
31:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's where he's happiest.
31:53
[SPEAKER_03]: That's where he found purpose.
31:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's time for him to go back to the initiative and I think like this was the first time where he kind of felt like himself again when he got away from gain the blowies from the vampires and causing some sort of like mayhem I think like it was the first time that he was like.
32:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like myself and when you are like so disconnected from who you are because of depression or because of like big changes in your life and you fall back into a place of comfort, I think like he excels like he was able to feel like a leader again, he was like, you know,
32:39
[SPEAKER_03]: say like oh I have an idea of course he got there and like completely missed the mark like by 20 minutes but also he was right like he was right he knew as soon as they found out that oh the the monster that they're looking for the alien that they're looking for is going to a specific house of somebody that was released that day he was right he knew it when right to joys so
33:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that this is where he excels and where he needs to be, like he needs to be.
33:11
[SPEAKER_03]: like we've been saying, the man needs to get a job.
33:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he needs to fall off.
33:14
[SPEAKER_04]: He thrives in the structure.
33:16
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's the thing is like, Riley and the initiative or what remains of the initiative feels like it's like the government.
33:24
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the bureaucracy.
33:26
[SPEAKER_04]: They'll eventually get there.
33:27
[SPEAKER_04]: But they're going to go by the book.
33:29
[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to go step by step by step.
33:30
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're going to arrive 20 minutes too late.
33:32
[SPEAKER_04]: The first is obviously like was already there.
33:34
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's about example.
33:35
[SPEAKER_04]: But like, you know, they're not just going to run into danger and like figure it out on the fly.
33:42
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's not what Riley does and he doesn't really like doing that sort of thing and that's a thing.
33:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's not for him, but I will say is Riley is never smarter than when he's hanging out with the initiative.
33:54
[SPEAKER_04]: They show up and he's like, oh, it's some sort of protein, alkaloid.
33:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, no, it's not venomous.
33:58
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's not dangerous.
34:00
[SPEAKER_04]: My guy, have you run like tests on it?
34:02
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you know this?
34:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, is he a scientist?
34:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you randomly become a scientist?
34:07
[SPEAKER_04]: When did this happen?
34:08
[SPEAKER_03]: How often does the government slash army slash initiative run into extraterrestrials because once again, like I didn't even know that this was an option.
34:18
[SPEAKER_03]: So how and they first came and they're like, oh, is this I forget the word that they use, but basically is this of course, and they said no, he said no, this is an extraterrestrial, this is alien so it's like how like with this guy actually know about.
34:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Like alien subject matter, like I don't know.
34:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it just felt like what I really didn't enjoy from Riley because I again, I don't really like him calling in the government because how can we trust them, but also I felt like he was not communicating at all with the Scoobies in terms of like open communication, right?
34:58
[SPEAKER_04]: Like they are always the ones reaching out to him.
35:00
[SPEAKER_04]: He ditched them when they were doing the patrol, then
35:03
[SPEAKER_04]: He like, they're doing all this research trying to figure out what's going on.
35:07
[SPEAKER_04]: It's Willow who calls him and is like, we figured this out.
35:09
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a quailer.
35:10
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, well, in the madman.
35:12
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, oh, yeah, I know I'm at the hospital.
35:13
[SPEAKER_04]: All these dead people.
35:14
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, why didn't you tell the scoopy?
35:16
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like, the work together.
35:18
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, yes, you, I feel like between the two groups.
35:22
[SPEAKER_04]: If you had worked together, maybe you get their sooner.
35:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, because Riley is the one who says, oh, let's use the, like,
35:31
[SPEAKER_04]: You're like, as you said, that was correct thing to do.
35:34
[SPEAKER_04]: It worked, but maybe if you had worked with the Scoobies, you could have figured this out sooner.
35:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it just, I don't know why he was side stepping the Scoobies if you're like,
35:46
[SPEAKER_04]: him.
35:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
35:48
[SPEAKER_03]: We lost him.
35:49
[SPEAKER_03]: We lost him.
35:50
[SPEAKER_03]: We're all he's gone from the Scoobies.
35:52
[SPEAKER_03]: He's yeah, like he kind of thinks there are a bunch of clowns because they are.
35:57
[SPEAKER_03]: He thinks that they are like, like, like, volunteer.
36:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And spontaneous.
36:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And they are like, he doesn't respect them.
36:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Which I'm not saying, I'm definitely not saying
36:17
[SPEAKER_03]: do business.
36:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not going to clue them in.
36:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's he's getting so disjointed from the group and I think that he is separating himself from them.
36:29
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, which once again, like it's just we're just like firming up the fact that like.
36:36
[SPEAKER_03]: We are on a path of Riley is no longer part of the Scoobies.
36:40
[SPEAKER_03]: He needs to do his own thing.
36:42
[SPEAKER_03]: He needs to get back to the structure that he thrives on.
36:47
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that the Scoobies don't see it that way.
36:51
[SPEAKER_03]: They still think that he's one of them.
36:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And they want to include them.
36:56
[SPEAKER_03]: They really trust what his opinion and what he has said.
37:00
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think that like he's lost the respect of them.
37:06
[SPEAKER_03]: except for maybe, like, except for Buffy and like, maybe.
37:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I think that's it.
37:12
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the, like, you just see them as a bunch of clowns.
37:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Zander is the one who, again, this episode tries to have a conversation with him of like, hey man, where were you last night?
37:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, we were doing the patrol and you were nowhere to be found.
37:26
[SPEAKER_04]: I really like that they're giving this part of the, you know, reaching out to Riley to Zander because like you said we've seen them kind of have some buddy buddy stuff in the past.
37:35
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think it's interesting and fun that Zander is the one having these sort of chats.
37:40
[SPEAKER_04]: with Riley, but it doesn't really seem to be having any impact on Riley, like he's not taking any of this heart.
37:46
[SPEAKER_04]: And honestly, the most a great thing, he does this episode, we haven't even really talked about, which is the fact that he uses a cell phone holster.
37:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it was offensive.
37:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have any proof of this quote unquote cell phone holster?
38:01
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have like I did not take screenshots or anything.
38:05
[SPEAKER_04]: It's in the scene where he calls the initiative to come in.
38:11
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like whips out his cell phone off of his belt.
38:14
[SPEAKER_04]: How big is the cell phone?
38:17
[SPEAKER_04]: So phone, I don't know how big.
38:18
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a flip phone.
38:19
[SPEAKER_03]: No, right?
38:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
38:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember.
38:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because Are you a problem like with the fact, is it was it like a leather holster?
38:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it like a bulky thing?
38:28
[SPEAKER_04]: All any notice was he pulled the phone off of like his belt loops, you know, situation.
38:34
[SPEAKER_04]: I was not here for it.
38:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
38:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's the bad.
38:37
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, obviously we're in the early ought to like, it's a little forgivable, but like, it's the biggest it's like, and one of the cell phone holsters, it's like a big, it's also like guys don't have a purse or a back pocket, they have pockets, they have pockets unlike us because the society fucking hates us and says, no, you must buy a purse, you can't have pockets.
38:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Going back to the radiation of it all, like, where's the research about what happens when you put their, they're probably worried about the radiation with the cell phones being close to the life he's standing so close to something that fell from the sky.
39:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
39:16
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if on his belt is like as far as like his pocket, like it's very close.
39:23
[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, what?
39:24
[SPEAKER_04]: I, he's my man.
39:26
[SPEAKER_03]: You different into the answer.
39:27
[SPEAKER_03]: The earth.
39:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I just couldn't have a kid defense.
39:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm loyal.
39:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, I'm not blind.
39:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm calling out his bullshit.
39:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm saying that he is self harming that he's authorizing himself that he is going down a path that's probably not healthy.
39:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I want him to do something that is good for himself.
39:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't I can't speak on the cell phone holster.
39:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Why does he want to have one does he think it's functional probably.
39:56
[SPEAKER_03]: He probably thinks that he's like, this is so convenient, function, not form.
40:02
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
40:03
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, this is fashion, yeah.
40:05
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not fashion.
40:06
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I don't have time for fashion.
40:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I need a place for me to grab myself cellular device.
40:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm, and I need it fast.
40:15
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's Riley's shit.
40:18
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's a disaster.
40:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's an absolute disaster.
40:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't call for him.
40:22
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, like he's like ditching people, hanging out with vampires.
40:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, like he's like, he's like a fucking mess in a half.
40:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think like you nailed it.
40:33
[SPEAKER_03]: We nailed it.
40:33
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just trying to feel something.
40:35
[SPEAKER_03]: He's being very melodramatic, but no, no.
40:39
[SPEAKER_03]: his face is very cute.
40:41
[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't have time for him, but I think that the things saving him from more of my wrath.
40:46
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk about in a little bit, which is Angel being like an edge lord and just being insufferable all the time.
40:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I will talk about them.
40:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Melo drama.
40:56
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.
40:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god,lessness.
40:58
[SPEAKER_04]: One other thing before we get to all the Quarty corner stuff.
41:02
[SPEAKER_04]: The Terrain Willow star gazing scene, I thought was just so adorable, specifically because Terra didn't know the names of the constellations when she was a kid, so she made up her own.
41:12
[SPEAKER_04]: I really loved this scene.
41:14
[SPEAKER_04]: They got to just be a couple and hang out and do a cute little activity.
41:18
[SPEAKER_04]: It was so like quaint and adorable.
41:20
[SPEAKER_04]: I loved it.
41:21
[SPEAKER_03]: They're cute.
41:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I really like Mala.
41:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that they just make a sweet couple.
41:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I really do.
41:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that they really, they really work for me.
41:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
41:33
[SPEAKER_03]: And Tara is like a gem.
41:35
[SPEAKER_03]: She's just a gem.
41:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Really is.
41:37
[SPEAKER_04]: She's so sweet.
41:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Anything else on the episode?
41:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Like you said, we end with joy going into surgery.
41:43
[SPEAKER_04]: So we'll kind of see where they'll all of that goes.
41:46
[SPEAKER_04]: So this is anything.
41:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's no way that she's going to just like die during surgery.
41:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Only turn up a so it's in like she has to die more dramatically than in surgery, I think.
42:00
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, okay.
42:01
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like they're gonna like, not that it's not dramatic to die in surgery.
42:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm saying like, maybe a monster has to be involved.
42:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Like maybe like I think I think we're not done with the joyous story line.
42:13
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think like they're gonna remove part of the tumor whatever, maybe in rose back, maybe like you know, I don't know, I just don't care.
42:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
42:21
[SPEAKER_03]: What if like glory is able to do some sort of like crazy like,
42:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to like, kind of like make the aneurysm like and kind of or wash his her brain or whatever.
42:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And like she's the one that kills.
42:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, like, or maybe it's just like I'm able to like snap my fingers and like Joyce is able to it like has a has an aneurysm or like a brain bleed and like some sort of like it's like glory that's able to like fuck some shit up or exome.
43:03
[SPEAKER_04]: I still I still maybe I should walk back the monster thing.
43:06
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think she's going to die this early in the season, but I also think Joyce's death could be something that is very human and normal just to hit home the fact that Buffy can't save everyone from everything.
43:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Like she could just die from illness.
43:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that there's going to be a level of Buffy feeling like it's her responsibility.
43:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.
43:28
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah.
43:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
43:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Also, did you respond?
43:30
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm curious.
43:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you also do you also read that Ben is glory's brother?
43:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that the connection there?
43:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
43:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure.
43:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he says all of my life.
43:41
[SPEAKER_03]: That sounded very like.
43:43
[SPEAKER_03]: rather like, or like, family member, I have to clean everything up.
43:47
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's the Dawn connection, right?
43:49
[SPEAKER_04]: Like the sibling relationship we're exploring with Dawn and Buffy.
43:53
[SPEAKER_03]: But if she, if she, okay, so if she's like this, like crazy old demon, I don't know if she is like a brother, but whatever, all of his life, not all of her life.
44:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel as though like why if he is equally as evil and old,
44:13
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
44:14
[SPEAKER_03]: She's a chaotic mess.
44:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know because she's the younger.
44:17
[SPEAKER_03]: She's just like, um, like a good demon.
44:22
[SPEAKER_03]: That is ancient.
44:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it doesn't really make sense totally.
44:28
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
44:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I feel yeah.
44:31
[SPEAKER_03]: There's, I feel like I don't know if he's some sort of like,
44:38
[SPEAKER_03]: servant of hers, like, or, like, a watcher, a equivalent, or could be, um, I don't know.
44:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, why would he have to clean up her messes?
44:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it felt familiar to me, um, but I don't know.
44:56
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just interested to see how, how all these, yeah, it's something.
45:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's definitely
45:08
[SPEAKER_03]: evil.
45:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And their goal is to get the portal, the key to the portal and go back to wherever, what's the portal to again, do you know?
45:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
45:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I just know she's the key.
45:24
[SPEAKER_03]: The key to the portal to some other dimension because she wants to get back.
45:29
[SPEAKER_03]: That's her great.
45:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to get back back where I don't know back to another version of the reality or another realm.
45:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, well, like how did he or so they're stuck here, right?
45:45
[SPEAKER_03]: They're stuck here and they want to get back, but then when he wants to get back to so then why would he want again her way to get the key so like there's something there's something that like is not not totally tracking like maybe he's not totally bad like maybe he's is really trying to
46:08
[SPEAKER_03]: protect civilization as we know it.
46:13
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like trying to thwart some of her things.
46:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe they have to be here.
46:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And he doesn't want to go back or like he doesn't want like the realms to like converge into one.
46:28
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know, like I think that like it's more curious like how did she get here?
46:36
[SPEAKER_03]: And why because she's like a Billy she's older than anything that can be spoken like the written word or whatever right so then it's you know what I mean like I think like this is just something that like we haven't sorted out yet.
46:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
46:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
46:52
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
46:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's talk through Angel because I've watched season two episode nine, the trial.
46:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Geez.
47:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Talk about, okay, mellowed like this is literally a like a mellow dramatic telenovela.
47:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Angel will do anything for a cute blonde.
47:14
[SPEAKER_04]: Angel will literally give his life for a cute blonde loves the ones.
47:18
[SPEAKER_04]: So to recap, we find out Darla is dying from syphilis because when she got brought back to life by Wolferman Hart.
47:26
[SPEAKER_04]: They like this her illness from when she was mortal has continued.
47:30
[SPEAKER_04]: So she is striving to get bit again because she wants to be immortal.
47:36
[SPEAKER_04]: So she finds some nasty ask guy tries to bring him into an alley.
47:40
[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't even know what he's doing.
47:41
[SPEAKER_04]: It's literally like he's a virgin and like she's going to fuck him.
47:44
[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't know what he's doing.
47:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Angel shows up stabs him and angel decides.
47:50
[SPEAKER_04]: Darlah, Darlah, my dear Darlah cannot let her die.
47:54
[SPEAKER_04]: So he is going to do whatever he can, which turns out to be some sort of trial, where he has to fight some hard opponent, and he has to walk over hot coals, dunk his hand in holy water, and then literally sacrifice himself to save her, which he agrees to.
48:11
[SPEAKER_04]: My guy, like I know you had sex with her for like 150 years, but there are other women in the
48:20
[SPEAKER_04]: such a sim.
48:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I can't stand him.
48:22
[SPEAKER_04]: I really can't stand him.
48:24
[SPEAKER_04]: He's so annoying.
48:25
[SPEAKER_04]: He is the drama.
48:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Everything is the drama with Angel.
48:28
[SPEAKER_04]: He is the most self-righteous like martyr.
48:33
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he is like the biggest martyr complex.
48:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it is the most infuriating thing to watch at times.
48:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I gotta be honest with you, at this rate on this show, I think I'm rooting for the bad guys to win.
48:47
[SPEAKER_04]: But the thing is like you're rooting for Lindsey that and Lindsey sucks and Kate, like she's kind of a bad guy too.
48:54
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but also like.
48:56
[SPEAKER_03]: It drew Lulu comes at the end.
49:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe I'm rooting for Drew to just like end up always rooting for Drew.
49:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't care where she shows up, what shows she shows up.
49:06
[SPEAKER_04]: She can show up on like the young and the restless.
49:08
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, yes, Rulu, let's get them.
49:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, she's like this.
49:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, maybe, maybe Angel does have to leave for up.
49:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, of course, I don't want cordy to like, to leave.
49:21
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, I,
49:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, like if Angel gets eliminated from existence, is that so bad?
49:28
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not.
49:29
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not the worst thing that's ever happened.
49:31
[SPEAKER_04]: And here's the thing.
49:32
[SPEAKER_04]: How did you feel about the little loophole situation that ends up happening?
49:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Where after Angel's like, yes, get on me.
49:38
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to say for the guys like, oops, he's sorry.
49:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Can't fix her because this is her second chance.
49:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I think it makes sense.
49:49
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think Angel got a little upset and it's like Angel maybe you should have told them the all the information upfront like did you read the fine print yeah we could have skipped ahead a little bit of save some time and some tormenting honestly if you explain the entire situation and I think that like you know I don't think that we're not cats we don't have nine lives you know what I mean, like we can't be checking off if you've already got in a free pass once to come back oh.
50:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's just a sign, angels come back once maybe we'll never get to see maybe when he dies, we'll never come back probably not.
50:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I think everybody, I think angel probably has nine lives, but nobody else probably Buffy has nine lives.
50:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I think everyone except
50:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
50:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Essentially what I think is that he really put up a fit and I think that the trial people were in the right because they were like they literally had like no substitutions, no exclusions.
50:49
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
50:50
[SPEAKER_04]: On the menu.
50:52
[SPEAKER_04]: And find print and he neglected to read the astray.
50:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Karen did so bad.
50:57
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, I want to speak to your manager immediately.
51:01
[SPEAKER_03]: He threw a T-Trump and Darlas like Darlas.
51:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Darlas like you know what?
51:07
[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.
51:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I will take my steak medium rare.
51:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't find your sacrifice has taught me what being human is all about.
51:18
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to be human.
51:19
[SPEAKER_04]: It will be fine.
51:21
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll tie the syphilis.
51:22
[SPEAKER_04]: It's okay.
51:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I will walk beside you until you die and keep it.
51:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe angels should catch the syphilis too.
51:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they can both die together all of the notebook.
51:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I really wish you could catch the syphilis driving me crazy and I was very when I when I tell you the scream I scrumped when they opened those doors and in walks through Lulu and she fights Darla and then this
51:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Queen, bitch, this H-B-I-C, Drulu Lou is like, you know what Angel?
51:57
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a cut right above dentities and you know what?
52:00
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a motorboat, Darla, and she's gonna suckle that blood out and I'm gonna stare into your eyes when it happens.
52:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I was really hurt.
52:09
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the other thing, right?
52:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Because like Darla was like, I should just become a vampire because then I won't die
52:17
[SPEAKER_03]: angels like you don't want to do this like you're human you got the human chance you have your soul and essentially it was like either you dives the fluff or you become a vampire I think I'm taking vampire too and I like that darla was like I'm sorry drew Lulu is like I'm going to just take this in my own hands you know I bet darla tasted nasty though because like syphilis blood cannot taste good
52:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I, I can't speak on that, you know, Darla got them pipes.
52:47
[SPEAKER_04]: She can sing as much as I have cast.
52:49
[SPEAKER_04]: I hope her his horrendous karaoke.
52:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Darla is singin' her little heart out.
52:54
[SPEAKER_04]: She's doin' it.
52:55
[SPEAKER_04]: She's doin' the thing.
52:56
[SPEAKER_04]: And I appreciated that she at least put in some effort unlike Angel.
53:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this just a lesson to be learned that like number one like if you are a good singer you should just do karaoke if you're not a good singer maybe should avoid karaoke no be passionate if you're bad I don't care if you're bad if you put on a show that and also.
53:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Darla should have been more safe with her sexual advances a thousand years ago.
53:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Sarah, I think the whole thing was that she was a sex worker, and that's how she got the syphilis.
53:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sex work is real work.
53:35
[SPEAKER_04]: It is, and even back then, and also they didn't have the protections.
53:38
[SPEAKER_04]: And also, like, what was she supposed to do?
53:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Their condoms didn't exist.
53:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, she's not going to be like, here take some sheep skin, put it on your dick.
53:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Barfe.
53:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if they had done anything she could have done.
53:48
[SPEAKER_03]: sheep skin, harm comes.
53:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Come.
53:52
[SPEAKER_04]: No, when she was alive,
53:55
[SPEAKER_03]: about 3,000 years ago, ancient Egyptians used linen sheets to protect against disease.
54:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And 1700's condoms were made from animal intestines.
54:03
[SPEAKER_04]: What you know, I don't know, a long time ago, and you know the men, they're like, I'm paying you shut up, bitch, take it.
54:10
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, they're not putting anything on their dick.
54:12
[SPEAKER_03]: The sheep intestines have been around for a while.
54:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm just saying.
54:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I don't think the, honestly, I don't think the linen was a good idea.
54:23
[SPEAKER_04]: No, that's on scratchy.
54:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, the other thing to is, uh, I love and all the flashbacks that we got of like, uh, Darla and Angel's relationship.
54:32
[SPEAKER_04]: She's like, I'm a did you bitch.
54:33
[SPEAKER_04]: See ya.
54:35
[SPEAKER_04]: See ya later.
54:36
[SPEAKER_04]: You die all alone.
54:37
[SPEAKER_04]: It's fine.
54:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I love this.
54:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Again, uh, try to convince me Angel is a better character than Darla.
54:43
[SPEAKER_04]: It ain't gonna happen.
54:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Can we swap them?
54:45
[SPEAKER_04]: We call the show Darla instead.
54:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I would
54:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, imagine them as like, girl gang, that sounds fun.
54:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, I think I'm out on courty.
55:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, I think I'm bad here, cut really.
55:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't know what to make.
55:05
[SPEAKER_04]: No, okay, listen, one bad haircut is acceptable.
55:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I've heard it's going to be more than one bad haircut.
55:12
[SPEAKER_04]: I have heard as well, but like, you know what, if we don't know for sure, we don't know for sure.
55:16
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see.
55:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, anyway, that one, become a go.
55:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Then I'm like, hmm.
55:23
[SPEAKER_03]: You have a mom haircut, cordy.
55:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, she's trying.
55:27
[SPEAKER_04]: It was that really odd.
55:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Scrying to do what?
55:29
[SPEAKER_04]: Be like awfully a trendy.
55:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Be trendy.
55:32
[SPEAKER_04]: She's trying her best to be trendy.
55:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, um, anyway, that that was the angel episode.
55:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I thought it was interesting mostly because I like Darla, but angel really drove me up a wall this episode.
55:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Like he's very, very annoying.
55:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he got to do his favorite thing and try to be the savior to a blonde to need, which is his favorite hobby very annoying.
55:55
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very irritating.
56:03
[SPEAKER_03]: and that is complain about Angel how he is sacrificing himself to somebody like you write a mother him yeah um so I don't know guys like you really have to wait until season five for this show to get good like are you people okay like maybe what are you we'll lose here now
56:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to hear the episode titles for next week?
56:32
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
56:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
56:34
[SPEAKER_04]: So for Buffy season five episode 10 into the woods into the woods into the woods into I like that show.
56:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's so that's one of my old favorites.
56:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen it, I don't think.
56:48
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, but I want to, I don't, I think that when we were watching a lot of Broadway, I think you've probably seen it.
56:53
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the one where it's like, well, it's the one where it's all the fairy tale characters and like the first act is like little red writing hood and Cinderella.
57:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I didn't watch this.
57:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And then in the second half, it's like everything just like goes twisted on its head.
57:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I saw this.
57:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Jack in the Beanstalk, really?
57:15
[SPEAKER_03]: How did you avoid that?
57:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but I didn't sound familiar to me.
57:20
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I just think that you don't remember.
57:23
[SPEAKER_04]: That's very possible.
57:25
[SPEAKER_04]: The other episode that I will be watching, but you were under no obligation to watch, is season two, episode 10 of Angel.
57:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Read Union.
57:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay, well, that sounds intriguing.
57:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's game reunited?
57:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Drulu and Angel.
57:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'll watch that.
57:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sounds fun.
57:44
[SPEAKER_04]: So that'll be next week.
57:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Anything else there?
57:48
[SPEAKER_04]: You want to tell the people about before we get on out of here?
57:51
[SPEAKER_04]: No, not really.
57:54
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, either.
57:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Go check out talking chat.
57:56
[SPEAKER_04]: We're finishing up Shits Creek.
57:58
[SPEAKER_04]: It, we only have a few more episodes.
58:00
[SPEAKER_04]: It's devastating.
58:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
58:02
[SPEAKER_04]: End of an era.
58:02
[SPEAKER_04]: So that will be that.
58:04
[SPEAKER_04]: And next week, we'll be back with some more buffy.
58:06
[SPEAKER_04]: And we'll see if Joyce dies.
58:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Probably not.
58:09
[SPEAKER_04]: But maybe there's a possibility.
58:10
[SPEAKER_04]: She could die.
58:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Exciting stuff.
58:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
58:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I truly don't know.
58:15
[SPEAKER_04]: OK.
58:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, until next week, everyone here, and if the last time.