Latest / When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom / BTK: The Killer Who Lived a Perfect Life Next Door
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- 0:01A church leader, A compliance officer, A husband.
- 0:06A father. The kind of man neighbors
- 0:08trusted without question. The kind you wouldn't look twice
- 0:12up. And then there was the name he
- 0:14gave himself. Bind.
- 0:17Torture. Kill.
- 0:19Dennis Rader built a life that looked ordinary, on purpose.
- 0:22Stable, structured, predictable. But underneath it, he was
- 0:26feeding something controlled, calculating and patient.
- 0:31In the 1970s in Wichita, KS, they were shaken by a series of
- 0:36brutal murders. The victims were chosen, watched
- 0:39and studied long before he made contact.
- 0:42Families and women who lived all alone.
- 0:44People who never saw him coming. And then it just stopped.
- 0:50The killings ended, the messages stopped.
- 0:52Time passed and the leads dried up.
- 0:55The case went cold. But Dennis Rader didn't
- 0:58disappear. He worked, went to church,
- 1:02raised his family, and built a life that made suspicion almost
- 1:06impossible. It was never just about the
- 1:10violence, it was always about control.
- 1:13And for decades he held on to that control quietly, until the
- 1:17silence wasn't enough anymore. Because eventually, being
- 1:20forgotten becomes worse than being caught.
- 1:24So Dennis came back, and that decision cost him everything.
- 1:29I'm Brittany Ransom and This is When Killers Get Caught, a
- 1:33podcast where I examine the people, the psychology, and the
- 1:35moments that lead to the most extreme acts of violence and
- 1:39what happens when the truth finally catches up.
- 1:42Today's story is about control and what happens when someone
- 1:46needs that control more than they need freedom.
- 1:53Dennis Rader was born in 1945 in Kansas and to what looked like a
- 1:56completely ordinary working class family.
- 1:58There was no chaos that stood out, no obvious warning signs
- 2:01that would make someone step in and say that something's wrong.
- 2:04On the surface, it was structured, stable, the kind of
- 2:07upbringing that blends into thousands of others.
- 2:09But inside that home, there was a different kind of absence.
- 2:12Rader would later describe his parents as emotionally distant.
- 2:15His mother works long hours. His father was strict and not
- 2:18particularly engaged. There was discipline, but not
- 2:21connection. And for a child already wired
- 2:24differently, that gap mattered. Because it didn't start with
- 2:27violence. It started with his imagination.
- 2:30At a young age, Rader begin developing fantasies that
- 2:33centered around control. Not just dominance, but total
- 2:36control. The kind where another person's
- 2:38fear, their restraint, and their helplessness became the focus.
- 2:42He was drawn to bondage in an early age, long before he even
- 2:45knew what it was, fascinated by the idea of simply tying someone
- 2:49up and taking away their ability to move or escape, and instead
- 2:53of being interrupted, questioned, or redirected, all
- 2:56of those thoughts were allowed to grow.
- 2:58He never talked about it, though.
- 3:00He didn't act on it in a way that would immediately cause
- 3:03alarm at school. He just internalized it, and
- 3:06that internal world became detailed over time, more
- 3:09specific and more consuming. There were also early behaviors
- 3:13that, in hindsight, feel like warning signs.
- 3:16Rader admitted to acts of animal cruelty.
- 3:18He engaged in voyeurism. He watched others without their
- 3:22consent. He began stalking in very small,
- 3:25quiet ways, following, observing and learning his community's
- 3:29routines. But from the outside, none of
- 3:31this really defined him. He was quiet, reserved, a rule
- 3:35follower, the kid who didn't bring any attention.
- 3:38And that's the part that made this stage of his life so
- 3:41unsettling. There were two versions of
- 3:43Dennis that were developing simultaneously, the one the
- 3:47world saw and the one that no one else did.
- 3:50And the hidden one was being reinforced through secrecy to
- 3:53repetition and the fact that nothing and no one had
- 3:56interrupted this progression. Each thought, each behavior,
- 4:00each private moment added another layer to something that
- 4:02was becoming more structured, more intentional.
- 4:05Because fantasy, once it's fed long enough without consequence,
- 4:09doesn't just stay a fantasy. It evolves.
- 4:12And for Rader, those early years weren't just a phase or a set of
- 4:16passing thoughts. They were the foundation, the
- 4:19place where control became the center of absolutely everything,
- 4:23where imagination stopped being harmless and started becoming
- 4:25something else entirely. It didn't start with murder.
- 4:29This started with the imagination of a small child.
- 4:34Now, as Dennis moved into early adulthood, those two versions
- 4:37did not separate. They became more organized.
- 4:40On the outside, his life flowed like a clear, structured path.
- 4:43He joined the US Air Force, a decision that gave him
- 4:46discipline, routine, and a sense of order, things that he all
- 4:49valued. For most people, that
- 4:51environment actually reinforces stability.
- 4:54But for Raider, it did something else.
- 4:56It gave structure to a mine that was already fixated on control.
- 5:00After he finished his service, he returned to Kansas and began
- 5:03building what looked like a conventional adult life.
- 5:05He got married. He had children.
- 5:07He settled as the kind of routine that signals
- 5:09reliability. It looked like he was doing
- 5:12everything right. But underneath that stability,
- 5:14the internal world he had been developing since childhood
- 5:17hadn't disappeared. It had become more deliberate.
- 5:20Rigor didn't act randomly. He planned.
- 5:22He observed and practiced. He referred to all of these
- 5:26women he was obsessed with as projects, a word that stripped
- 5:31away their humanity and replaced it with a process.
- 5:33That language alone tells you what he was thinking.
- 5:37This wasn't about emotion. It wasn't his impulse.
- 5:39This was how methodical he spent time stalking, watching people
- 5:44on their daily routines. Even people that he wasn't
- 5:47interested in causing harm to, he still watched them all the
- 5:50time. He was constantly testing
- 5:53boundaries. These were his rehearsals, his
- 5:55dry runs, moments where he would get close enough to feel the
- 5:58control without fully acting on it.
- 6:02And at the same time, the roles that he was choosing in his
- 6:05professional life only reinforce that need for authority.
- 6:08See, he got a job working installing security systems.
- 6:11This job is rooted in protection.
- 6:13He was entering people's homes, showing them how to stay safe
- 6:16and how to protect their space. It's almost a disturbing irony
- 6:22that the man who helped make people feel protected was the
- 6:25same man studying those same people for vulnerability.
- 6:29Later, he would become a compliance officer, a position
- 6:32that gave him direct power over others.
- 6:34He enforced rules, issued citations, dictated what people
- 6:37could and couldn't do. This was about control, and it
- 6:40was a legitimate control base job.
- 6:43And that really defined the stage of his life.
- 6:45He wasn't chaotic, he wasn't spiraling.
- 6:47It was all structure, routine, and access.
- 6:50Everything about this environment allowed him to
- 6:52refine what had always been growing.
- 6:55The discipline of his lifestyle didn't suppress any of his
- 6:58impulses. It sharpened them.
- 7:01Because Dennis wasn't losing control, he was perfecting it.
- 7:05By 1974, though, the line between fantasy and reality had
- 7:09finally been crossed. Dennis had spent years
- 7:12imagining, rehearsing, refining what control would look like.
- 7:15But when he acted, it didn't really unfold the way he
- 7:18envisioned. On January 15th, 1974, he
- 7:21targeted the Otero family in Wichita, KS.
- 7:24Joseph senior, 38, Julia, 33, and their children Joey and
- 7:29Josephine, 9 and 11. Now, this wasn't an impulsive
- 7:32act. Rader had been watching them for
- 7:34two solid months. He had learned their routines,
- 7:37and that night he parked at a distance, climbed a fence, cut
- 7:40the phone lines before he approached the house, and waited
- 7:43until little Joey stepped outside to let the dog out.
- 7:46He then confronted Joey and forced himself in at gunpoint.
- 7:50At first, Joseph Senior didn't really take him seriously, but
- 7:53Rader very quickly made it clear that this wasn't a joke.
- 7:55He claimed he was armed with a loaded 22 caliber pistol and
- 7:58told the family he was a wanted man, someone very dangerous.
- 8:01He ordered them all to lay onto the living room floor.
- 8:04From there he separated the group, moving them women into
- 8:06the bedroom and binding them with rope that he brought with
- 8:08him. The entire scene carried the
- 8:10appearance of a robbery, and so the family responded as if
- 8:14that's what it was. They tried to cooperate.
- 8:16They explained they were uncomfortable being bound and
- 8:19just laid flat on the floor. Joseph Senior Joseph Senior
- 8:23mentioned prior injuries, saying the restraints were causing him
- 8:26pain, and Rader responded in a way that on the surface, seemed
- 8:30considerate. He gave them pillows, adjusted
- 8:33their positions as if he was going to make them more
- 8:35comfortable. Later, he would say that this
- 8:38was the moment when he decided he was going to kill them.
- 8:41Up until then, the situation had the shape of something else, a
- 8:44burglary, a threat, something that could end without violence.
- 8:48But in Dennis's mind, the purpose had shifted.
- 8:51Control was not enough anymore. And that's when the nightmare
- 8:56turned into something worse. He started with Joseph Senior
- 9:00placing a plastic bag over his head.
- 9:02The first time it failed, Joseph was able to bite through the
- 9:05plastic, disrupting writers attempt and forcing him to try
- 9:08again. The second time though, he
- 9:09secured it more tightly and watched Joseph slowly suffocate.
- 9:14He then turned to Julia. He used a rope to strangle her,
- 9:17but it didn't go the way he expected.
- 9:19Strangulation takes a lot of time and strength, and during
- 9:22the process of trying to stab her, she regained consciousness,
- 9:27begging him to spare her children.
- 9:30That interruption, however, did not stop him.
- 9:33When he tried again, he made sure this time she didn't wake
- 9:37up. With Joey Rader adjusted for his
- 9:40earlier mistake, he plays 2 bags over the little boy's head,
- 9:44ensuring there would be no chance of escape, and then
- 9:46watched him suffocate. Finally, Josephine was taken to
- 9:50the basement. He removed her clothing and tied
- 9:52a noose to a pipe overhead. At one point, he asked her if
- 9:55there was a camera in the house, as if he wanted to document what
- 9:59he had done. When she asked what was going to
- 10:01happen, he told her she would be in heaven with her family.
- 10:05He then hoisted Josephine into the air and masturbated while
- 10:08she struggled to survive. Afterward, he took the family's
- 10:12car and abandoned it at a local grocery store.
- 10:15But even then, the night wasn't over.
- 10:17He had to return to the Otero house to retrieve a knife he had
- 10:20left behind. For someone that had spent years
- 10:24building this moment up in his mind, he messed absolutely
- 10:28everything up. There were so many mistakes,
- 10:31interruptions and adjustments, and that all mattered because it
- 10:36didn't stop him. He just realized that next time
- 10:40he had to do it better. What followed wasn't really an
- 10:44escalation in violence, it was the creation of an identity.
- 10:49See, Dennis Raider didn't just want to be another killer, he
- 10:52wanted a name. BTK, bind, torture, and kill. 3
- 10:58words that reduced. 3 words that reduced the human life into a
- 11:03process, a formula. His signature.
- 11:06And once that he had that identity, he needed it so that
- 11:10he could exist outside of himself.
- 11:13He began writing letters to the police, to the media.
- 11:16He described the crimes, inserted himself into the
- 11:18investigations, and demanded attention.
- 11:21These weren't confessions that were driven by guilt.
- 11:23They were performances Because it wasn't just enough to kill.
- 11:27He needed to be seen now. The Witch of the Eagle, a
- 11:30newspaper, got a letter from BTK labeled I Did It, taking full
- 11:34responsibility for the Otero family murders.
- 11:37Three brothers had actually already confessed to this
- 11:39murder, but Dennis made sure to leave in some details that had
- 11:42never been published publicly to let the police know that he was
- 11:46the real killer. In July, a man in Washington DC
- 11:49was arrested for the murders, but he was cleared after
- 11:52fingerprint analysis. The Wichita Beacon would
- 11:55actually respond to these letters by running a classified
- 11:58ad that said BTK help is available and leaving a phone
- 12:02number. Dennis never called.
- 12:06As the murders continued, that need, that need to be seen and
- 12:10acknowledged, it only grew stronger.
- 12:13He lasted 3 months before killing again.
- 12:16Catherine Bright was 21 when she was attacked in her home, barely
- 12:19surviving. Dennis referred to this attack
- 12:22as Project Lights Out. He had been sloppy here too
- 12:25because he didn't realize that Catherine had a 19 year old
- 12:28brother living in the house with her and on April 4th, 1974 he
- 12:32broke a glass sliding door and waited inside her home.
- 12:35He must have been nervous because he accidentally
- 12:37discharged his gun too and that caused him to almost panic and
- 12:40abandoned the killing because he was worried that when Catherine
- 12:44opened the door she would smell the gunpowder.
- 12:48When both Catherine and her brother returned home, Dennis
- 12:51told them he was a wanted man from California and he needed
- 12:53money for food, forced them into a bedroom and made Kevin tie up
- 12:57his sister and then tie Kevin up himself.
- 12:59Now this time he used household items that he found around the
- 13:03Bright House. He didn't want the police to
- 13:04connect into the Otero murders, not yet.
- 13:07He turned the radio up as loud as possible and then when he
- 13:10went to kill Kevin, Kevin was free and Kevin attacked him as
- 13:15soon as he walked through the door.
- 13:16This ended in a scuffle and Kevin got shot in the forehead.
- 13:21Rader then tried to strangle Kevin on top of the shot, but
- 13:25that was also inefficient and Kevin fought him back.
- 13:29He had to shoot Kevin two more times, once above his mouth and
- 13:33then another simply grazed the side of his face.
- 13:36At this point, Kevin decided the best thing to do here was just
- 13:38play dead and as soon as Dennis was out of the room, he ran and
- 13:45called the police from a neighbor's house.
- 13:47Dennis then immediately went to Catherine's room and tried to
- 13:50strangle her, but she started fighting him after he said he
- 13:54had shot and killed her brother. Rader kind of lost composure and
- 13:57began stabbing Catherine in the upper stomach area below her
- 14:01ribs. That was when Rader heard Kevin
- 14:04call for help again and he just decided it was time to abandon
- 14:08Shep. He stole Catherine's keys, but
- 14:10when her truck didn't start, he just ran away.
- 14:13When the police arrived, Catherine was alive and holding
- 14:16her phone, but she was unresponsive and she died during
- 14:19emergency surgery. Kevin survived, but he didn't
- 14:24give enough information for the police to be able to find the
- 14:28man who killed his sister. Now while Rader craved the
- 14:32attention from these murders, the disaster of the murder made
- 14:35him pause for about 3 years actually.
- 14:38That is until he could deny the compulsion no longer.
- 14:41And on March 17th, 1977, he targeted 26 year old Shirley
- 14:46Veen Ralford. Dennis had actually planned to
- 14:49kill a completely different woman but she wasn't home so he
- 14:52just picked a Random House on the block.
- 14:56This is one of those interesting moments in crime because part of
- 14:58Raiders pathology is that he had this intense need for control
- 15:03but the need to kill was stronger and so he actually in
- 15:07this vein wrist capture. To get the release from the ACT.
- 15:12Dennis would stand on the block and just kind of wait until he
- 15:16noticed a 5 year old boy walking home.
- 15:19The little boy was Steven Relford, and he would run out to
- 15:22grab soup for his mom, who was sick.
- 15:25Dennis pretended to be an undercover detective and showed
- 15:27the boy a photo of his own wife and daughter.
- 15:30The little boy said that looks like my mom and sister.
- 15:33And so Dennis followed him home. Inside the Ralford house, he
- 15:37kept up the detective ruse. He asked the family about the
- 15:40photo, and when Shirley was looking, Dennis pulled his gun
- 15:43out. He told her he was a wanted man
- 15:45and she was being robbed. And just like before, Dennis
- 15:48struggled to properly secure his victims.
- 15:51He tried to tie up the children. They were too wiggly, so he
- 15:55ended up forcing them into a bathroom and then barricading
- 15:58the door. He actually made Shirley help
- 16:01him barricade them in. But before he locked the door,
- 16:05he did give the children their toys.
- 16:07And then he went to go kill their mother.
- 16:10He strangled Shirley after covering her head with two
- 16:13plastic bags. And Dennis said that he
- 16:15originally intended to kill the children too, but the phone rang
- 16:19and one of the children in the bathroom yelled, that's someone
- 16:22coming to visit us. And so Dennis ran away.
- 16:27He decided the next time he would get, he would get it
- 16:30right. And so this time, Dennis spent
- 16:32more time stalking his next victim, Nancy Joe Fox.
- 16:36He waited until December 8th, 1977, to execute Project Fox
- 16:41Hunt, as he called it. That night, he broke into her
- 16:44house through a back window and waited for her to return home
- 16:46from work. When Nancy found him in her
- 16:48home, she actually began screaming full voice to get out
- 16:53and threatening that she was going to call the police.
- 16:55Rader told her he'd already cut the phone lines and very calmly
- 16:58told her he was going to bind her, take photographs, and that
- 17:01he was going to rape her. Rader undressed himself and
- 17:05allowed Nancy to undress in the bathroom.
- 17:07How polite. She resisted, and Dennis decided
- 17:11to handcuff her instead. He didn't actually rape her, he
- 17:14actually kind of sat on top of her and he used his belt to
- 17:18slowly choke her, releasing the pressure enough that she would
- 17:22wake up and then he would choke her until she passed out again.
- 17:26He never admitted how many times he did this, but the following
- 17:29morning he called the police from a phone booth and told them
- 17:32that they could find Nancy's remains in her home.
- 17:35That call would be released in 1979, but it never actually led
- 17:38to any roll. Around January 31st, 1978, Rader
- 17:43sent a bizarre letter to a local classified department of the
- 17:46Wichita Beacon. It contained a poem he wrote
- 17:49that began Shirley Lux, Shirley Lux, and then it went into
- 17:53explicit details of how he murdered Shirley Ralford.
- 17:57One month later, on February 10th, he sent another letter to
- 18:00the Wichita TV station KAKE Cake and took responsibility for the
- 18:05Otera murders as well as Bright, Ralford and Fox.
- 18:09This letter was important to the investigation because Rader
- 18:11asked how many do I have to kill before I get a name in the paper
- 18:14or some national attention? Very clearly detailing his
- 18:19compulsive need for attention. He also took time with this
- 18:22letter to compare himself to Jack the Ripper, son of Sam and
- 18:26the Hillside Stranglers. He wrote another poem titled
- 18:29Death to Nancy. He told the police to send him a
- 18:32hidden message. The police instead traced the
- 18:35letter to Wichita State University, where Dennis was a
- 18:38student. BTK wasn't a nickname that was
- 18:42given by the public. It was something that he
- 18:44created, something he fed, and something that Dennis needed.
- 18:49Every letter, every message, and every taunt was part of him
- 18:52constructing this identity because the act of killing
- 18:56people was only part of it. He needed that recognition and
- 19:00as long as he was being watched, talked about, and chased, he was
- 19:02getting exactly what he wanted. Dennis tried to kill again in
- 19:06April of 1979. This time his target was 63 year
- 19:09old Anna Williams. Just like with Nancy, he stalked
- 19:11her for months, preparing his attack and approach, even
- 19:14breaking in ahead of time and stealing from her.
- 19:17The break in actually caused Anna to hire a security company,
- 19:19and while we don't know if Dennis installed her specific
- 19:22system, we do know that he worked for ADT and he used his
- 19:25job to spy on his victims. The night that he broke into
- 19:29Anna's home, he was confident that he knew her routine, but
- 19:32Anna had been invited out by her friends to go square dancing and
- 19:36she stayed out late. Dennis waited in her home for
- 19:39hours and frustrated, went home and penned the poem.
- 19:44Oh Anna, why didn't you appear? He dropped that letter off at
- 19:48Anna's house and inside of the envelope included the drawing of
- 19:52a nude woman tied up, and then he added in a scarf and two
- 19:55plastic hair clips. The scarf and the clips had
- 19:59belonged to Anna and they had been stolen during the earlier
- 20:02break in. He delivered that letter to her
- 20:04in June. The police wouldn't hear from
- 20:07BTK again until 1988. After 77, the violence stopped.
- 20:13As far as the police knew, there were no new bodies, no new
- 20:16messages, no signs of BTK. For investigators, it felt like
- 20:19the case had simply gone quiet. Another killer who disappeared
- 20:22without explanation. This wasn't anything new.
- 20:25Maybe he'd moved to another part of the country.
- 20:27Maybe he died. Maybe he lost his nerve.
- 20:30But Dennis didn't disappear. He settled in.
- 20:34This is the part of the story that's easy to misunderstand,
- 20:36because on the surface it looks like restraint, like something
- 20:39inside of him shut down. But nothing about Rader suggests
- 20:42he suddenly became a different person.
- 20:45If anything, he became more controlled.
- 20:47There are a few ways we can explain the law.
- 20:50His children were growing up. His responsibilities were
- 20:52expanding. A stable home life requires
- 20:54time, attention, and consistency.
- 20:56It's possible that maintaining that image just became his
- 20:59priority. It was more important to him
- 21:01that people saw him as the every man, the everybody's dad.
- 21:08There's also the question of fear.
- 21:11By the late 70s, law enforcement was paying attention.
- 21:15His letters had drawn focus. The risk was real.
- 21:17And let's be real, his prior murders had not been clean and
- 21:21easy. He left behind a lot of DNA
- 21:23evidence. And even though we weren't in a
- 21:25state of technological advancement to do anything with
- 21:28that evidence, all it would take was one mistake and he would be
- 21:32caught and humiliated. But for someone like Raiders,
- 21:35stopping doesn't necessarily mean they lose the urge.
- 21:39If we follow Robert Ressler and John Douglas FBI profiling
- 21:42system, Dennis will be classified as a classic
- 21:45organized serial killer. And nothing about this subset of
- 21:48individuals is impulsive. Everything is about constant
- 21:51routine control, controlling the crime scene, maintaining your
- 21:54social focus, and above all else, patients.
- 21:58Organized killers are known to have very long cool down
- 22:01periods, and Rader is not the first killer of his kind to
- 22:05suppress his urge for years. For Dennis, those years of
- 22:09suppression were focused on him building an almost untouchable
- 22:15social reputation and image. He was the church president.
- 22:18He was a Boy Scout leader, a city compliance officer.
- 22:22Positions that all signal trust, authority and good moral
- 22:25standing. The kind of roles that don't
- 22:27just blend into your community, they actually anchor you into
- 22:30it. He was the dependable neighbor.
- 22:34Never BTK that same person who had committed those murders was
- 22:38now enforcing the rules, mentoring children and leading
- 22:41people spiritually within his church.
- 22:43Not as a cover in the traditional sense, but this was
- 22:46a fully integrated aspect of his identity.
- 22:49This isn't what you would call a fracture.
- 22:51Like other killers we discussed over the years who might be
- 22:53suffering from multiple personality disorder, Dennis
- 22:56just had two sides to himself who he could flip between very
- 23:01easily. And he was fully cognizant of
- 23:03both aspects of his identity, the father and the killer.
- 23:09They were all parts of the same man.
- 23:11He had combined these identities and he learned how to control
- 23:14both. Whatever existed in those
- 23:16earlier years hadn't disappeared.
- 23:18He contained it. Dennis Rader didn't stop being
- 23:23BTK. He got better at hiding him.
- 23:26Now, as the murder stopped, The investigation didn't.
- 23:30Law enforcement in Wichita formed what became known as the
- 23:33BTK Task Force, a dedicated group focused on identifying a
- 23:36killer who had already shown he was methodical, patient and
- 23:38capable of disappearing. They weren't dealing with
- 23:42someone reckless, they were dealing with a person who could
- 23:44blend in, and that made their job exponentially harder.
- 23:48In the 1970's, the tools we think of today simply didn't
- 23:51exist. No modern DNA profiling, no
- 23:53national database to instantly cross reference evidence.
- 23:57Investigators relied on physical evidence, witness statements,
- 23:59and behavior patterns, all of which only go so far when the
- 24:02offender doesn't leave much behind.
- 24:05And DNA only matters if you can actually compare it to a person.
- 24:11So the fact that he had left behind so much DNA didn't mean
- 24:16anything. And despite all of the early
- 24:19mishaps, Rader was still careful.
- 24:21He was actually quite meticulous in cleaning his time scenes.
- 24:27He didn't leave any obvious connections between his victims.
- 24:30There were no clear suspects who stood out.
- 24:33Instead there was just this growing list of possibility.
- 24:36Hundreds of names that became thousands.
- 24:38Men who lived in the area, men with criminal records, men who
- 24:40seemed just a little bit weird, but nothing that definitely, but
- 24:45nothing that definitively ever pointed to just one person.
- 24:49And at the same time, the case had another problem time.
- 24:53As the years passed without any new murders or communication,
- 24:56public fear began to fade. What had once felt immediate and
- 24:59urgent just became distant. People moved on.
- 25:03Leads went cold. Resources shifted.
- 25:05And for investigators, that creates a different kind of
- 25:08pressure, because the longer a case that's without movement,
- 25:11the harder it will be to revive. When this memories fade,
- 25:14evidence degrades. Momentum disappears.
- 25:17But the task force never stopped.
- 25:19They reviewed files, revisited evidence, followed leads that
- 25:22continued to go nowhere, tried to build a profile of someone
- 25:27who, by all accounts, had simply vanished.
- 25:30And that was the problem. They weren't chasing somebody on
- 25:33the run. They were hunting a ghost that
- 25:35had just decided to stand still. Dennis wasn't running.
- 25:39He was living his life exactly the way he always had been, and
- 25:42as long as he stayed quiet, there was never anything that
- 25:46would pull him back into the light.
- 25:49After six years of silence. Though Dennis killed again
- 25:53Marine Hedge, whom Raider called Project Cookie, she lived just a
- 25:57few houses down from him. He chose her for a specific
- 26:00reason. He wanted to see if he could
- 26:02kill one of his neighbors and get away with it.
- 26:05On April 27th, 19. 85 Rader created an alibi.
- 26:09He left a Cub Scouts outing early, feigning sickness,
- 26:12changed his clothes, stopped at a bar to make himself appear,
- 26:14talks intoxicated, and he even called a taxi and used a fake
- 26:19slurred voice so he could be dropped off near his
- 26:21neighborhood without any suspicion.
- 26:23He cut Hedges phone line, broke into her home and hid in her
- 26:27closet. When she returned with her
- 26:29boyfriend, he waited only after the boyfriend left, and Marie
- 26:35only after the boyfriend left and Maureen went to bed, the
- 26:38dentist make his move. He startled her awake, subdued
- 26:41her and strangled her. But for Rader, the killing
- 26:44wasn't the end here. He took her body to his church,
- 26:48a place where he had the keys and privacy.
- 26:51There he staged her body and took photographs, turning the
- 26:54scene into part of his fantasy. Before morning, he cleaned
- 26:58everything up, removed her body and later dumped it in a remote
- 27:02area. Days later, her car was found
- 27:05abandoned and shortly after that her body was recovered 7 miles
- 27:08away from home. His next murder was.
- 27:12Vicki, wet girl. At the time, Rader was still
- 27:16working for ADT and while on the job he noticed 28 year old Vicki
- 27:20and began watching her, later calling her project Piano.
- 27:24On September 16th, 1986, he used his job as a disguise, wearing a
- 27:29hard hat and posing as a phone technician.
- 27:32He first entered a neighbor's home to make his presence seem
- 27:34legitimate, and then he went to Vicki.
- 27:39Once inside, he. Made small talk while pretending
- 27:42he was checking her phone line. Then he pulled a gun and forced
- 27:45her into the bedroom. Vicki fought back.
- 27:48She actually managed to break free from the original bindings,
- 27:51and she scratched his face hard enough that he later admitted
- 27:55that that marks scarred. The struggle, along with the
- 27:58barking dogs and open windows made Raider very nervous, and he
- 28:02knew his time was limited. Even so, he couldn't stop.
- 28:04He had to finish the ritual after killing her.
- 28:07He took photos of her body before driving away in her car.
- 28:10He actually passed her husband on the way away from her home
- 28:15and then abandoned the vehicle nearby and returned home.
- 28:19For years, Vicky's husband was the number one suspect.
- 28:26It wouldn't be until nearly two decades later that Rader finally
- 28:28admitted the truth in 2004. At the time, her case was
- 28:34actually unconnected, another tragedy without a clear answer.
- 28:38But even in silence, Rader wasn't disconnected from
- 28:41violence. In January of 1988, there was a
- 28:43woman named Mary Fager and she received an envelope postmarked
- 28:47January 5th and inside was a poem titled Oh God.
- 28:51He put Kelly Sherry in the tub along with a disturbing drawing
- 28:56of a bound young girl near a pool just days earlier.
- 29:00Mary's husband, Melvin and her two daughters had been murdered
- 29:04in their home. The details were horrific, and
- 29:07it absolutely matched the poem. But Rader was never actually
- 29:10linked to those killings, and he never claimed responsibility.
- 29:14He just inserted himself because he wanted to be a part of the
- 29:18investigation. He referenced the crime he wrote
- 29:21about. It created his own version of
- 29:23the scene. It wasn't accurate, but it's
- 29:26still caused a lot of trauma for Mary Fager.
- 29:31It was like he was observing, analyzing, and responding from a
- 29:34distance. He actually later described
- 29:36admiration for this killer, saying another one prowls the
- 29:40deep abyss of lewd thoughts and deeds.
- 29:43Even without committing an act, he wanted proximity to it.
- 29:48And then he went quiet for another few years.
- 29:51His. Last and final murder was. 1981
- 29:54he targeted 62 year old Dolores Davis after watching her near
- 29:57her home, referring to her as project dog side.
- 30:00He had been casing her house for quite some time, waiting for the
- 30:03right moment. Finally, on January 18th, he.
- 30:07Created another alibi. Similar to before he left a.
- 30:10Boy Scout outing. Early changed clothes, made his
- 30:13way to her home on foot through fields in a cemetery.
- 30:16The cold pushed him to act quickly, and instead of quietly
- 30:19entering, he just broke in. He waited until Davis went to
- 30:22bed and then forced his way inside her room.
- 30:24At first he told her he was going to tie her up and take her
- 30:27car. She resisted, and when he
- 30:29threatened her with weapons, she decided to comply.
- 30:32He ransacked the kitchen to maintain the illusion of a
- 30:35robbery, but when Dolores started pleading for her life,
- 30:39he just strangled her. Now initially.
- 30:43Dennis intended to stay longer with Dolores body, but he had to
- 30:47leave sooner than expected. He moved her body, drove it to a
- 30:50remote area and abandoned it and he returned to her house to
- 30:53clean up parts of the scene and re establish his alibi before
- 30:57anyone had noticed he was gone. Weeks later they found her body
- 31:01under a bridge and then just like before, it stopped.
- 31:05No communication, no activity that law enforcement could tie
- 31:08back to BTK. And the cases just sat.
- 31:12The name BTK faded. The fear that once gripped
- 31:15Wichita slowly dissolved into something more distant.
- 31:18But silence. For someone like Dennis Rader,
- 31:21it's not permanent because being forgotten becomes its own kind
- 31:25of pressure. And in 2004, that pressure
- 31:28broke. It started on March 19th, 2004.
- 31:32The Wichita Eagle received a letter from someone named Bill
- 31:35Thomas Killman, A moniker, and it took credit for Vicki
- 31:39Weggol's murder. He included photographs from the
- 31:42scene and a copy of Vicki's driver's license before.
- 31:46This moment, police. Had never known that Vicki was
- 31:48killed by BTK. Now what?
- 31:51Dennis didn't realize. Was that in 2004?
- 31:53There was new evidence and new technology.
- 31:55Vicki had DNA under her nails from where she scratched him.
- 31:58And the police began to DNA test hundreds of men in the region,
- 32:01professors, police officers, anybody who was in a position of
- 32:04power. And in the end they ended up
- 32:06doing 1300 tests the samples. Were.
- 32:10Court ordered to be destroyed after eliminating A suspect.
- 32:14They may not have found BTK, but they knew they had his DNA and
- 32:18they could link it to all of his past crimes in.
- 32:21May of 2000 and. 4K Ake received a letter with chapter headings
- 32:26for the BTK story. It came also with fake IDs and a
- 32:31word puzzle. On June 9th, graphic images of
- 32:35the Otera murders were found taped to a stop sign at the
- 32:39corner of 1st and Kansas roads in Wichita.
- 32:42It also included a sketch labeled The Sexual Thrill Is My
- 32:45Bill. And there were more chapter
- 32:48headings for this unwritten book that he decided would be called
- 32:51The BTK Story. This sort.
- 32:56Of story he wrote about himself was very similar to a 1999 story
- 33:02that had been written about him by a Court TV writer named David
- 33:06Lore. So apparently BTK said you did a
- 33:10good job, but here, let me fix this.
- 33:13In July, a package was dropped in a return slot at the local
- 33:16Public Library that took credit for a suicide in Argonia, KS.
- 33:21Police weren't sure if this was a copycat or Dennis just playing
- 33:24mind games with them. In all of these correspondences,
- 33:28he gave entirely too much personal information about
- 33:31himself. He told him he was former
- 33:33military. He told him he loved trains.
- 33:34He did try to mislead them by saying he'd been born in 1939.
- 33:38But what the police didn't know was that Dennis was trying to
- 33:41kind of rally himself to get ready for another kill.
- 33:44He'd actually set a date in October of 2004.
- 33:48He was in the process of stalking his next victim, and he
- 33:51wanted people to remember the fear of the 70s when he started
- 33:55up again. We don't know why he didn't go
- 33:57through with it. Instead, though, he continued
- 34:00his campaign with the local media.
- 34:02In the month of October, he dropped a Manila envelope in a U
- 34:05PS: box with cards of images of just horrible violence against
- 34:09women, and he also had drawings he did himself of children in
- 34:13bondage. It also contained A threatening
- 34:15poem about the lead investigator, Lieutenant Ken
- 34:18Landware, and a fake autobiography about his life
- 34:23then in. December.
- 34:24Police found another package at the local Murdoch Park that had
- 34:27Nancy Fox's driver's license and had a doll that was bound at the
- 34:31hands and feet with a small plastic bag over the doll's
- 34:34head. But in January of 2005, Dennis
- 34:38left a cereal box in the bed of a pickup truck at Home Depot,
- 34:42and when the owner saw it, he immediately threw it in the
- 34:44trash. Dennis had to write a letter to
- 34:46the police asking. So you guys didn't get my new
- 34:49package? And telling them where he had
- 34:52left it and the police had to go recover the items from the
- 34:55garbage. Surveillance videos showed a
- 34:57figure in a black Jeep Cherokee leaving the box, but old school
- 35:00CTTV was pretty bad so they couldn't see his license plate
- 35:04or really any details on his face.
- 35:06In February, he sent more cards to Cake and another cereal box
- 35:11with a doll inside of it. Then Dennis made a mistake.
- 35:18In one of his letters. He asked the police a simple
- 35:20question. Can a floppy disk be traced?
- 35:24Investigators saw an opportunity.
- 35:26They responded through a classified ad in The Wichita
- 35:28Eagle telling him it would be safe.
- 35:30One line, Rex, it'll be OK. And Dennis believed them.
- 35:36On February 16th, 2005, Rader sent a purple Memorex floppy
- 35:40disk to a local TV station with a letter, a fake gold necklace,
- 35:43and a photocopy of a book titled Rules of Prey.
- 35:47It was another attempt to insert himself into the story, another
- 35:50way to be seen. But this time he'd gone too far.
- 35:53Because what Rayder didn't understand, or maybe he just
- 35:56chose to ignore, was that that disk held more than just the
- 35:59files he intended to send. It held information about him.
- 36:04The metadata they pulled from the disk LED investigators to
- 36:07Christ Lutheran Church in a simple Google church showed that
- 36:12only one man at the church was named Dennis, and Dennis had
- 36:17edited a file that was on that floppy drive.
- 36:22This man who had spent. Decades controlling every little
- 36:27detail had just handed himself over to the police and he didn't
- 36:31even realize it. Surveillance would follow and
- 36:34police felt very confident after seeing the black Jeep Cherokee
- 36:38that they had the right guy. The problem was, this is still
- 36:41circumstantial evidence. OK, we have the floppy Dr. that
- 36:46has a man named Dennis who works at the church editing the file.
- 36:50And yeah, Dennis does drive the same car that we saw drop off
- 36:54that cereal box, but it wasn't enough.
- 36:58Police started to do something. Unique at the time, they
- 37:00obtained a search warrant to analyze a Pap smear sample from
- 37:04Dennis Rader's daughter. She's gotten her pap smear.
- 37:08When she was in school at Kansas State University.
- 37:13They got that information. From the medical clinic, DNA
- 37:16testing revealed there was a familial match between the
- 37:20sample and the DNA recovered from under Vicki Weggarl's
- 37:24nails. The result indicated that the
- 37:28killer was a close relative of Dennis Rader's daughter, and
- 37:32when combined with the other evidence, it gave investigators
- 37:35enough to move forward with an arrest.
- 37:38Dennis Rader was arrested while driving near his home on
- 37:40February 25th, 2005. An officer asked him, Mr. Rader,
- 37:45do you know why you're going downtown?
- 37:47And he replied, oh, I have suspicions.
- 37:50Why? Now on February 28th. 2005
- 37:55Dennis was charged with 10 counts of first degree murder.
- 37:58It was rumored that during interrogation he confessed to
- 38:00other murders, but the DA chose to go with cases they had direct
- 38:03DNA evidence to convict. The DA would later say that this
- 38:07was not true, but it does kind of follow how most DAS work.
- 38:11You want the confirmed kill, not potentially others.
- 38:14That would make the case more confusing.
- 38:19Interestingly enough, Dennis. Was particularly worried about
- 38:21the death penalty and he was also worried about general
- 38:24population in prison. He specifically said he didn't
- 38:26want to be with the loonies in Gen. pop as if he's not one of
- 38:30the loonies. On March 1st, his bail was set
- 38:33at $1 million and then on March 3rd a not guilty plea was
- 38:36submitted on his behalf because he stood in court and refused to
- 38:39say anything. Then on June. 27th he decided to
- 38:43change his plea to guilty. That, coincidentally, was the
- 38:46first day of his pretrial hearing.
- 38:50So in order. For them to want to work with
- 38:53him, they said you need to stand in front of us and tell us
- 38:56everything. So he did.
- 38:59Dennis did. In court, there was no
- 39:00breakdown, no visible remorse, no moment where the weight of
- 39:04all he had done seemed to catch up with him.
- 39:06Instead, he spoke. He was calm, clear and in
- 39:09detail. He waved his right to a trial
- 39:12and he delivered a full confession, walking through each
- 39:15murder as if he were recounting a simple series of tasks.
- 39:19He used his own language, his own structure, referring back to
- 39:23the same patterns he developed years earlier.
- 39:26Binding, strangulation, control. No hesitation, no emotional
- 39:30shift as he talked about the victims, not even the children.
- 39:33No acknowledgement of the lives he had taken beyond the
- 39:35mechanics of how he did it. At times it sounded like a
- 39:39confession and other times a report.
- 39:43In fact, sometimes when the DA asked him questions, he
- 39:47corrected details, clarified the timelines, added information
- 39:53that only he would know, not to express his guilt, but to make
- 39:56sure the story was accurate and complete, because even then he
- 40:01was still trying to control the narrative.
- 40:03Families of the victims sat in the courtroom and listened as he
- 40:06described their loved ones final moments with the same tone
- 40:10someone might use to just explain taking the trash out.
- 40:14And that's what made it so unsettling.
- 40:16There was no distance. From this, for him, he was never
- 40:20overwhelmed by what he had done. He was reliving it in court, in
- 40:24front of the families of his victims.
- 40:28And in that moment, the same need that drove him to write
- 40:31those letters, to name himself, to come back after decades of
- 40:34silence, it was still there. He needed to be heard.
- 40:38He needed to be understood and to make sure that nobody got his
- 40:42story wrong. Sorry on June. 27th, 2005 Dennis
- 40:51Rader was sentenced to 10 consecutive life sentences,
- 40:53ensuring he would spend the rest of his life in prison.
- 40:57Even then, though, the control he chased for decades, it didn't
- 41:00fully disappear. Remember, he didn't confess over
- 41:04guilt. He wanted to be heard and as he
- 41:08was being transported to El Dorado Correctional Facility.
- 41:12It was just a regular day for him.
- 41:14The contrast actually was striking.
- 41:16During the drive, the driver said he made small talk about
- 41:19the weather as if nothing had changed in his life.
- 41:23But then as they were listening to the radio, as they were
- 41:25driving to the prison, the victim impact statements played
- 41:29over the radio. And Dennis cried.
- 41:33Not in the courtroom, not while he confessed, but they're in
- 41:36private. And then the door closed on his
- 41:39cell. He was placed in solitary
- 41:42confinement for his own protection, a status that will
- 41:45probably remain for the rest of his life.
- 41:47He was removed from the public, separated from other inmates,
- 41:49stripped of the environment that he had control over.
- 41:53But that doesn't mean that the need for control ever
- 41:55disappeared, just adapted. In prison, he continued to seek
- 41:58out attention in whatever ways were available to him.
- 42:01He was corresponding with outsiders, talking to his fans
- 42:06and warned by president officials about these ongoing
- 42:11communications that he was crossing lines.
- 42:13At one point, he was granted limited privileges for good
- 42:16behavior, access to ATV books and art supplies.
- 42:20Even that, though, sparked concern with prosecutors arguing
- 42:24that exposure to media and imagery could actually allow him
- 42:27to relive his crimes. Essentially, if you guys give
- 42:30him crayons and pencils, he's going to draw his murders again.
- 42:34And they had a good point because for Dennis Rader, the
- 42:38story never really ends. It just changes form for him.
- 42:42They're even reports of him setting rules for how people can
- 42:45contact him, conditions and boundaries, requirements, even
- 42:49now in a prison cell, attempting to dictate the terms of
- 42:52interaction, reinforcing the same pattern that defined his
- 42:56life outside these walls. Control over access, control
- 43:00over communication, control over how he is being perceived and.
- 43:05Outside the prison. The fascination still hasn't
- 43:07gone away. Profilers study him, his
- 43:10behavior, his communication, his psychology, his name.
- 43:14Continues to surface. In discussions about criminal
- 43:16profiling, in the evolution of serial offenders, books have
- 43:19been written, interviews have been given.
- 43:22His story is revisited again and again in podcasts like these.
- 43:27Even his home families had to confront this reality.
- 43:30His daughter, Carrie Rawson, has spoken publicly about the
- 43:33impossible task of reconciling the father she knew with the man
- 43:37she now understands him to be. A childhood that felt normal,
- 43:43refrained by something hidden in plain sight.
- 43:46For years, Carrie tried to find a path forward.
- 43:48She spoke about forgiveness, about faith, about trying to
- 43:50make sense of it. But that changed In 2021.
- 43:54She made a decision to cut off contact with her father.
- 43:57What she had learned, what she had uncovered, made any
- 44:00relationship impossible to maintain.
- 44:02As investigators revisited old evidence, they found journals.
- 44:05Radar had kept detailed, coded records of his thoughts and
- 44:08actions. Carrie helped decode parts of
- 44:11them, and what surfaced was deeply personal.
- 44:14One entry read Carrie back slash BND, back slash Game 1981.
- 44:21BND was Dennis's shorthand for bondage, and in 1981 Carrie was
- 44:27a toddler. In October of 2023, she
- 44:31confronted him in prison face to face, and what followed was not
- 44:35accountability. I sat feet across from.
- 44:39You. You crumpled up, rotting away in
- 44:41a wheelchair, me standing tall and brave and confronted you
- 44:45with the hard bare truth you had kept hidden from me for over 4
- 44:48decades. You denied it.
- 44:50Gas let me emotionally and verbally abused me and asked me
- 44:54what PTSD is and then when I explained it told me I had
- 44:59brought this all on myself. Even then.
- 45:03Faced with all the information, he refused to admit what he had
- 45:07done to carry. And at the same time,
- 45:11investigators in Osage County have continued examining
- 45:14hundreds of drawings and writings recovered from Raiders
- 45:17home in 2005, hoping they may connect him to additional
- 45:21crimes, including the 1976 disappearance of Cynthia Kenny.
- 45:26But Dennis remains silent, and in that silence, the pattern
- 45:30continues. Because even now, control is the
- 45:33one thing he refuses to give up. It's the one thing that no one
- 45:36can take from him. The truth and.
- 45:39It's still sitting exactly where he wants it.
- 45:42The odds are that he has actually committed more crimes,
- 45:45but he has absolutely no intention of telling us anything
- 45:49about it. Dennis intends.
- 45:51To die with that truth. Dennis Raider didn't look like
- 45:58a. Monster.
- 45:59That's the part that usually stays with people.
- 46:02He wasn't hiding in the shadows, he wasn't disconnected from
- 46:05society. He was a part of it.
- 46:08A neighbor, a Co worker, a man trusted to enforce the rules, to
- 46:11lead and to protect people. And all the while, there was
- 46:15someone else living beneath the surface.
- 46:19That's why we keep talking about.
- 46:20Him. That's what makes this all so
- 46:21unsettling, because it enforces you to confront the reality that
- 46:25most people don't want to accept.
- 46:27Someone can appear completely normal, completely ordinary, and
- 46:33still be capable of extraordinary harm.
- 46:36In the end it. Wasn't the crimes that brought
- 46:39Dennis Raider down, it was his ego the same?
- 46:43Need. That pushed him to name himself,
- 46:45to write those letters, to insert himself into other
- 46:48investigations. It's all what exposed him.
- 46:51The media gave him a platform, and after a long time, he used
- 46:56it exactly the way he wanted to until it became a trap.
- 47:00Because the more he reached out, the more he needed to be
- 47:02recognized, the more he revealed, piece by piece, detail
- 47:06by detail, until there was enough information to find him.
- 47:09And at the center of all this was control.
- 47:12Dennis wanted to control his victims, control his image,
- 47:15control over when he would appear and when he would
- 47:18disappear. But control for Dennis.
- 47:21Wasn't just a desire, it was an addiction.
- 47:24And like many addictions, it eventually cost him everything.
- 47:30What he wanted the most. To be seen.
- 47:33It's what led him to be at caught.
- 47:35And once that happened, the version of himself he spent
- 47:37decades building collapsed, leaving behind not a mystery,
- 47:42but a man. A very real human man who chose
- 47:47over and over again to be something else.
- 47:50Because the truth is, Dennis Rader didn't just hide in plain
- 47:53sight, he depended on it. I'm.
- 47:56Brittany Ransom. And this has been another
- 47:58episode of When killers get Caught.
- 48:01And remember, the truth always leaves the trail.