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Talks to Toby Hadoke about his choice of Dr Who & the Silurians (6/7) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to my hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast. I am here with the Glorious.
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  Toby hey doakes a hello Toby. Hello Joe the people call you
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  glorious a lot. No will they shoot?
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  Well God bless Toby, are you feeling bold enough to have
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  another question thrown at you? About Doctor Who in the
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  silurians? Throw me any questions that?
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  You like okay, well, we did have a 15-minute conversation about
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  Caribe licen. Before pressing play on a
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  previous episode. However, Jim Allen B asks is
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  Carrie blyton's music for this story easier to stomach that in
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  death, to the Daleks, or revenge of the Cybermen.
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  I want to know, if that's Jim Allen, be the former
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  professional cricketer who used to score me enormous amounts of
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  points in the fantasy cricket league that I still play to this
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  day with Paul Cornell and to Paris other.
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  But Steve, Hatchet, various other people.
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  Not All of them connected with Doctor Who and it's I know it's
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  not but it's just fun because I've seen this gym on Twitter,
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  of course as well. Hello Jim.
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  Thank you for your namesake scoring me.
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  Some superb points in fantasy. In my Heyday.
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  I've gone off a bit but I'm very confident in my team this year
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  but you don't want to know that you want to know about Garrett.
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  I think I think this is I think this is the most distinctive
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  carrier, blindsquare. I love this sort of Dripping
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  waters, you know, sound composition.
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  That the company's the business in the caves I admire the Huts
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  part of the, you know, robots indigestion.
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  That is the, you know, pop in a blender that is the, you know,
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  asthmatic kazoo, whatever you want to call it.
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  You know. There there's this that the
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  dying side And playing a harmonica.
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  However, you want to describe that that particular entry and
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  Anna, but I like it's I always admire something that as a bash
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  that goes, you know, that instead of going well, let's
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  just do what we always do you go.
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  Well, it's Doctor Who. That's why don't we try playing
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  it on a cyborgs comb and see what happens?
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  That's teaching. But yeah.
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  Why don't we try rubbing an it--come on a side of Man's
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  Chest unit and see if it makes music be very out, a spirit in a
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  big wind and I think I mean it is odd but I think, but I like
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  kind of I associate it. So, with the story that I can't
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  imagine the story without it and I and I think it gives the story
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  a unique feel and I always like it when a doctor who story is
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  kind of You know, you can kind of go with, it's not an
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  identikit story, it's carved out its own its own Niche and I
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  think and I don't think it robs the story of Madness in the way
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  that I think the rather, you know, George from Rainbow having
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  a conversation in with the moomins clarinet of death, to
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  the goddess, who lose you? Be interested Daleks Little rump
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  on the planet and you saw the guys this how you get a score
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  the most terrifying creature, you should just going to go or
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  quite fun and and revenge, I mean, they've has had a bit of
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  augmentation itself as an exam they wheeled in Peter Howell to
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  to augmented a bit. I mean, you know, again, I quite
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  like the sort of scratchy wairau, you know, of the, of the
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  cyber cyber mask. Yeah.
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  But I don't think it's, I think it's a bit more of a generic,
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  it's Generic score. Not done.
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  Particularly well, I think revenge, it's fine.
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  Whereas I think salarians isn't attempt to do something that
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  isn't a generic score. So, even if it's not 100%
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  perfect, I think it, you know, when something goes down in
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  flames, it lights up the sky. You know what I mean?
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  So, and I think that's how you should do it.
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  So I think it's my favorite of the Caribe light and scores and
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  I wouldn't have it any other way.
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  You don't think if you ask any Doctor Who fan to hum, Um music
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  from not maybe deep divers like you and me but you know the
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  average Doctor Who fan too huh music from add ugly.
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  Simpson score from other know the late groom their growing
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  Williams era. They might have a bit of trouble
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  but if you are seen Doctor Who fans who have the music from
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  Doctor Who and the silurians I live in and have any trouble at
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  all. Well yes and you I mean you can
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  do this with a certain cognitive, dissonance.
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  I mean, there's no doubt that Dudley Simpson was superb and
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  you know, there's a reason they got him to school so much Doctor
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  Who is He spoke, he spoke the tone and the tenor of Doctor Who
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  fluently. But but a lot of his music is
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  unobtrusive and you would go. Well, that's what incidental
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  music should be. It's like the good Lighting in a
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  theater show. It's only good.
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  If you don't notice it, if it draws attention to itself, it's
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  not really doing its job properly.
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  It's being a little too self-conscious so I, you know,
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  took from and I'm not a musician.
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  So, so I understand from a musician's point of view who
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  might go, well, the whole point of good incidental music is that
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  it? You know, it underscores, it
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  feeds it, Move. But you don't particularly
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  distinct. You notice it and I couldn't hum
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  you much Dudley Simpson at all. So in a way Dudley Simpson has
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  done his job. But as somebody who's not
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  musical who likes Doctor, Who and likes things that stick in
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  my head, you know, I'm much more of a fan of those scores that
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  stick out to me, that that have a sort of story to tell even
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  though probably objectively those sort of identikit Simpsons
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  scores of, you know, Genesis and pyramids and all of those, which
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  are Which to me is slightly interchangeable and over again.
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  I'm sure a proper musician would be able to go, oh no, because I
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  think you'll find this is that and this is that or whatever and
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  I think he's got to be the only whereas I hope nobody is putting
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  this on to listen to as a soundtrack.
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  Well, I hope they're not fucking down to this at the doctor's.
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  Go down in down in there. I'm sure the Gallifrey Club in
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  Brighton. I mean I'm sure there is one,
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  I've never advised him blow. Whereas tried to Romancing with
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  Carrie, blind, score, talk to the silurians.
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  Have you ever tried to romance a bloke with any kind of Doctor
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  Who phenomena jury? Well, my partner's Doctor Who
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  fan now. So yeah.
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  Yeah. I know, but was was, was Doctor
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  Who a way of gaining access alluded in.
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  We are lured him in, with the Android Invasion because I knew
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  it was his favorite. Oh, really?
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  I mean, that's Probably the only time or another has been used
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  quite so far. I'm going to ask you some
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  questions as we go because there's quite a few more.
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  Go out because I can't think of anything else to say you won't
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  count as in then in five four, three, two, one off we go.
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  Okay, so Darren lit. Roundels says.
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  I first saw the black and white version on UK gold and it made
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  the story feel quite cozy. Something, I'm always drawn to
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  the thing about the silurians is their representatives gray just
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  as different in their ideas as human.
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  That every story since has forgotten.
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  And that therefore and over as perfect despite doing nothing to
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  justify that response especially annoying since Warriors that are
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  deep where the doctor rages against the humans for defending
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  themselves. We don't we ask me.
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  Well he's made a good 40 it. Yes.
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  It's a very simplistic. Take they've sort of got the oh
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  yes. This you know that the whole
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  Twist of doctor and I salarians is that actually the salarians
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  aren't bad and we are bad for blowing them up and they've
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  transpose that idea into Warriors of the deep and then
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  have the silurians do precisely nothing to the only thing.
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  We've got to go on that. The solutions are nice.
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  Is that the doctor keeps telling us but they do absolutely
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  nothing to show that. So I mean it's it really falls
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  down in that regard and I actually rather like worries of
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  the deep, I think it's quite a fun sort of action-adventure
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  rebase Under Siege kind of thing going on.
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  I quite like kind of just got to sort of Johnny Morris and Johnny
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  Morris choose that one for Happy Times.
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  Yeah. Contrary bugger.
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  Yeah. So does he know one of these two
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  nurses, not that one. The other one is better enberg.
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  It's not lemon is mate. I want to see.
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  I face that one. That one it's just run in there.
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  That's better in Berg. so you're never too old to learn Aya and
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  now, but What we thought. Yeah.
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  So, so, and, and then. And I thought that was the floor
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  with the, with the, the silurian one.
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  Hungry Earth was that again. You know, we were told that they
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  would never but the captured silurians spent the whole thing.
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  Trying to provoke the humans into killing and you go.
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  Well, anybody reasonable to say well she just, I mean, she's
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  essentially jumped on a gun that's not us.
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  That's not us being genocide humans.
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  That's, you know, that's, that's to get a script to a certain
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  place and and then you have the doctor silurian guy who was
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  basically dr. Mengele in.
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  Yeah, then it's dr. Lovely at this.
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  So for the for the purposes of the Cliffhanger is like
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  brandishing a scalpel, right? And then he's the one that's
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  trusted broker in P time at what is coming on.
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  And I I'm afraid, you know, for characters that are called old
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  young and scientist. In this, there's they've got
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  more character than the ones you've got space names in in the
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  in the in the chimney or two part I'm afraid and Darren lit.
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  Roundels asked a dozen she's If we ask a question, he says just
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  one question. Where are you going?
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  Oh, I love it. He adds greasy comb-over Falls
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  over face. Well, I did at it so long ago
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  since we did that it's not that long ago.
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  We very briefly touched on it but not in a lot of depth.
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  But did we talk about how in the making of documentary?
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  Peter miles has more air when he's talking in the present-day
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  about Doctor Who in the series. That he has in the clips that
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  they cut two of him in. Why that is, but I adore Peter
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  miles in this. I think he's so good.
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  I still think that's one of the best deaths it is in its this
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  entire show it's an actor, not dying attractively, it's great
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  fun dying attractively, you know, a good death scene can
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  make you all Noble and you know vulnerable but in a kind of a
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  god, he's moved us you know you can get you can get points for
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  moving an audience because you died.
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  So sadly and nobly and it's and it's mother.
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  Can you know it's a great thing for Atkins.
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  CET doctor to do to. Get look at me being so Noble
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  and comfortable that it actually takes a I think a really
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  selfless actor to go. No I'm going to I'm going to
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  make death look awkward and horrible and uncomfortable
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  because actually, physical violence does look like that.
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  An uncomfortable situations that are uncomfortable because
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  they're ungainly and awkward this stuff in the station is
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  eyes. Maisie, isn't it?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  All of this film work that Tim Combe does in In in this room
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  and this this has a scale. That's a modern-day scale that
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  if you think how often doctors been in the modern day up to
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  this point, that that you then get spearhead with its High
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  Street Massacre. And then this with its, you
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  know, death of a train station and Trevor Ray their the
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  assistant to script editor who was no mean actor.
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  He doesn't amazing thing, sort of facepalm in a minute.
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  Yeah. When it when it, yeah, it's
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  definitely fuck's the, you know, strange, I think actually this
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  does It convincingly sells the idea of the the plague spreading
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  better than the first episode of survivors.
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  I was quite surprised actually, how sort of in homes that was?
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  Yes, I think the first episode of survivors is very effective
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  but you're right. It does a slightly different
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  thing. It's kind of its you become
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  aware of the extent of it from a small nucleus whereas this
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  actually spreads it out with that, he doesn't get a credit on
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  this but that's Ian Evans, who is who is die the minor in in
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  the green death and he's also the the Exelon with the booming
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  singing voice in that, the excellent high priest.
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  Oh, and I think he died on the 23rd of November.
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  He died on dr. Seuss birthday.
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  I think would you know, my son is unusual for Doctor Who to
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  take the expensive route. So instead of just going always
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  go at, you know, he's gone on a train and he's got in a taxi and
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  he's had contact with all these people know.
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  We're actually gonna, we're gonna Head off to Mary Boleyn
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  station or wherever they are. We?
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  Yeah, whole thing looks so great and and when the camera pans out
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  so you can see it from a yeah you can see it from a sort of
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  distance and you don't really need to say something in over
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  scary, it's really good. It's really good.
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  It's got its got a great sense of scale about it and and and I
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  and a kind of sets of but I get on a train, I go to Treasure
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  Coast is what I could get on a train one down and just be in a
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  carriage with this guy and I'm Dead.
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  That's horrible. I think I think whatever fiction
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  reminds me of the, you know, how easy germs can spread its or is
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  scary. But yeah, this is this is the
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  series that not that long ago was doing the croutons, I loved
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  the croutons but but You know, it's it it's sophistication is
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  somewhat limited. Can, you can see why this
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  captured people can t, you can see what sort of pulled away at
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  the end. Of six might have come along and
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  say, wow, this is much more sophisticated with, I love the
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  60s, I love trap and I love black and white zipper.
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  This is a Renaissance. The the launch of the Pertwee
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  era is a Renaissance for the show.
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  And you know, Derek Sherman wasn't around long but he did he
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  did totally The show from what it was in to what it became
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  very. Very effectively.
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  And and and and I think, you know, it was on borrowed time
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  and this gave it a whole new lease of life.
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  I've got a, I've got a little statement from Lisa, Nicole
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  about the story, and she's always, Hello Lucy.
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  I like the tension between the voices for peace on both sides
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  and those in favor of Destruction, which turns out to
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  be the stronger in the end. I know the Brigadier.
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  Is criticized for sealing the silurians in, but given
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  everything. It was always going to happen.
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  The plague part is really frightening.
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  It takes the drama from the slightly, Fantastical setting of
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  the lab and caves to the real world.
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  The cast is great. Peter miles has what must be one
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  of the best ever moments in. There's nothing wrong with all.
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  Sorry Haley he has one of the best ever.
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  There's nothing wrong with me moments in all of Science
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  Fiction and false McKay is nicely Shifty.
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  So yes, I A lot and I'll stop now before I review the whole
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  lot, that's very nicely put loose ball.
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  True, David G asks, is hello are you a cycler in one of the most
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  dr. Ish moments in the whole series
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  with kind of. Yeah, it is and I think but I
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  think it's also matched by, you know, hello gentlemen, or
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  whatever it is, where he comes in, at speaks to the three of
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  them, okay? Episodes later, he's very good
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  at impassivity, Peter miles, you know, he's He's not moving many
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  muscles in his face, you know, it's all in the eyes.
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  The rest of him is fairly deadpan.
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  I mean, this this this huge things at stake for him here.
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  Isn't he knows of this has sold, then his career is down the pan.
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  You know. And, you know, I have to say, I
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  met Peter, the miles he was bat is a fruitcake.
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  I met Paul Darrow. He was a, he was a loon and I
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  have to say, and it's why I don't sort of put much that
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  serious on social media. There's a real earnestness these
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  days that Tips feel the need to do.
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  So to go, you know, I'm in that television programs so that and
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  I know that people need to use a platform to do good.
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  I totally understand that. But do you know what, I kind of
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  miss the fact that that the acting profession that I was
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  sort of drawn to be a part of was part of that draw, was
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  because everyone was a bit of a kick bunkers and you had a great
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  and people would throw stories and be Indiscreet, and there was
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  a certain amount of You know, and sometimes not, not very
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  nice, but sort of had to, and sometimes not very nice to be on
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  the receiving end of, but it was kind of rite of passage.
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  But I kind of, you know, it's one of the reasons I love
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  meeting all of these. These, you know, these these
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  venerable old fest sewer. Sadly now a Dying Breed because
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  it's a certain amount of barking - that is hugely enjoyable and
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  great fun. And but that's that sort of
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  creative. Park that then when I can be
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  used to give some sort of interesting and fun performances
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  who's this Joe? Who's this Soldier?
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  Tell me this is private Evans from the driver Evans from the
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  web of fear. We got it is to who you know.
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  It's I'm so pleased. They didn't make him the same
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  one just to kill him. Almost immediately, is it just
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  this one sunnis in? Yeah, pretty much.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  So I'm sure she's a little pissed about an interview with
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  Mervin haseman saying that, you know, when they were considering
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  doing unit as a regular thing, they'd given a thought to
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  Bringing Evans back. But at decided not to because it
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  would be cruel of the Welsh. So, instead, he gets to do that
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  and this and, and this is recognized him.
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  Who's that? With a moustache?
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  He's the one who's in charge of the prison in episode 2 of the
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  war games. He's and he's also the Geordie
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  guard in Mark of the Rani. Lord is it.
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  But Lord, you know, Terrance Alexander's sort of guard guy
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  who gets ya, various bits and Bobs to do and he's also, I've
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  just been so he's also an extra in quatermass in the pit.
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  You can see him, Richard Steele. He's called so yeah, he doesn't
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  like that scene in the war games is Heaven is a great father.
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  How dare you treat me like this? Oh they're about the inherent
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  lunacy of the actors of the time.
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  Do you think perhaps people toe the line now?
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  Because there is a sort of immediacy in people reacting to
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  having met people and you know because of social media we
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  obviously wasn't as relevant back then was it, you know, you
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  can argue could You could, you could be an asshole in a green
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  room and there would be no evidence of it and it would be
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  forgotten the next day. Now, unfortunately, we, you
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  know, we scrutinize a now. This is not to say that we have
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  an also wiped out, loads of really bad behavior.
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  And some, you know, some quite toxic behavior of course,
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  particularly from, you know, people in positions of power,
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  particularly from Men, in positions of power, I get up,
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  I'm not talking about that. I'm not going.
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  Oh yes. We should be able to have
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  directors forcing themselves on young women.
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  It I don't mean that, but we should also was getting rid of
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  that. We should also be able to Coop.
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  Keep Peter Miles, because bat is a fruit cake.
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  Is completely been wiped out. Sorry, I can't imagine that
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  eccentricities. No, I don't think it hasn't.
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  It's all about, it's all about balance and I certainly don't
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  want to be a poet. Was better in the old days
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  because it cuz cuz we have we have loads of great actors.
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  Now, we have loads of interesting.
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  Characters and all sorts of stuff.
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  I just I don't know. I was just just watching miles
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  there and thinking about Darrow. I was I was thinking how sort of
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  Ernest things have got these days but the pendulum swings and
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  and of course all of that stuff has been bred from a need to
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  chip make certain changes within the industry.
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  I'm I'm not blind to that nor am I undermining that but Sorry, to
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  interrupt you at. How economic is this
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  storytelling here? Oh, it's brilliant.
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  I love a montage. We didn't come from the
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  Brigadier on the phone. The doctor with a test.
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  Choose to the station, where people die.
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  Did you see the shot as well behind the cat?
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  The ambulance? Yeah.
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  Again, and I thought initially, I thought that was a stop shot
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  and then it stops by a load of corpuses.
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  I'm like, I'm not they feel that.
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  No. And then there's this bit with
• 22:36
  with Masters is death where you get the railings and it goes one
• 22:40
  way and he goes the other way and the screen Aiming woman is
• 22:43
  Michael aspel, zechs wife, Elizabeth power, who was the
• 22:47
  woman that had an affair with Arthur Fowler in EastEnders.
• 22:49
  There you go, you can have that for free meals.
• 22:51
  Whatever, what was the name? Mrs. Whatever.
• 22:54
  She was called. What was she called?
• 22:55
  I don't know. I remember vividly, though.
• 22:58
  Why can't I bring my name? Welcome basically.
• 23:00
  Remember Pauline knocking him out with a saucepan.
• 23:02
  Yeah, but I love that death of and I it's little things like
• 23:07
  the fact it's obviously filmed either early in the morning or
• 23:09
  when it's really cool. You can see his breath, you
• 23:12
  know, those Little bits of things that just make it, he
• 23:14
  remembered that shot. Tim comb, you know, because when
• 23:16
  Benson collapses in the mind of evil, he goes beyond raelians
• 23:19
  again, doesn't it? Yeah.
• 23:21
  And it's nice and it gives you because of the way that the
• 23:23
  camera can't quite process, the picture, it gives it a woozy
• 23:27
  kind of quality about it. It's very statement of drama to
• 23:31
  it as well, shooting From Below like that.
• 23:34
  Here we go about with test tubes but perfectly I have to say is
• 23:38
  damn good. All of this, this kind of
• 23:40
  business the It sounds trite to say and I'm really don't mean to
• 23:45
  me having somebody that's really that looks really convincing
• 23:49
  squeezing things into test tubes and using a microscope.
• 23:54
  Is, you know, it could so easily be undermined.
• 23:57
  Yeah, by an actor without Pertwee, sort of Panache and
• 24:01
  Knack. He's a very capable man.
• 24:03
  You know, you can imagine he would jump on a motorbike and
• 24:05
  immediately know how to drive it.
• 24:06
  You can you can imagine you could you know throw him a piece
• 24:09
  of broken food processor and he be able to have a look at it,
• 24:11
  work at a minute, he he carries all of this stuff with a sort of
• 24:16
  effortless skill that isn't showy that isn't that isn't
• 24:20
  demonstrative. It's just a sort of innate.
• 24:23
  To that you kind of need from the doctor which which makes you
• 24:27
  feel reassured in these moments of Jeopardy.
• 24:30
  That, you know, he could do all of this stuff and he looks he
• 24:33
  looks like a real Pro property when I was watching curse upheld
• 24:36
  on. Yes.
• 24:36
  All right. There's a sequence there where
• 24:37
  Arcturus is happened, a bit of a nervous breakdown and portrays
• 24:40
  there in the guts of this thing. Clearly just yet stabbing it
• 24:44
  with a screwdriver or something Allah.
• 24:45
  But with so much conviction. Yeah.
• 24:48
  All you can think about doing death to the Daleks episode 4.
• 24:51
  Where is giving the city a nervous breakdown is Pulling
• 24:54
  out, all these bits of circuits and just doing little you
• 24:57
  absolutely convinced. Yeah.
• 24:59
  He's really good at all of that stuff.
• 25:01
  And you know what else he does? He does a wonderful thing for
• 25:03
  the kids where she gives him the shot and he oh yeah it was
• 25:07
  Agony. Yeah, love it.
• 25:10
  Yeah, it's fantastic. Ha ha ha.
• 25:13
  But you know I really like the scenes of the two of them
• 25:17
  working together on like a scientific problem.
• 25:20
  I don't see what doesn't work about Yes, no, I really like it
• 25:25
  too. And, you know, Liz, there's
• 25:28
  still managed to get into Jeopardy.
• 25:29
  You know, she still managed to get kidnapped, but and, you
• 25:33
  know, and Joe, as you say wasn't useless, it wasn't that, you
• 25:37
  know, we traded lives in for somebody incompetent, Joe is
• 25:40
  Scotty and funky, but she's also an escape ologist who's, you
• 25:44
  know, who's got the smart. So in comparison mischel's
• 25:48
  there, you know, being brainy and helping out and things
• 25:50
  whereas jove sort of spills the Fungus over the slides and
• 25:55
  that's how discover the you know it's almost I kind of like that
• 26:01
  as well. I do like I always feel that the
• 26:05
  doctor should sort of save the universe that the whole ethos of
• 26:08
  Doctor Who is that? We saved the universe by
• 26:10
  mistake. Not because I've just been
• 26:13
  watching the Mandalorian before we got to get through.
• 26:15
  We got together tonight and I it's part is lovely.
• 26:18
  It's very works extremely well done but it is all very again.
• 26:23
  It's I know the way we have the way and I shall go where top of
• 26:27
  the mountain, and it's all a bit kind of it takes, it's all quite
• 26:31
  serious. And what I sort of like about
• 26:32
  Doctor Who is that, even if you're it's life and death, and
• 26:36
  I'm not saying it should be unserious in that, it should
• 26:38
  wink at the audience and undermined that, but it has at
• 26:42
  its heart. A sort of adherence to the idea
• 26:47
  that we get through things because of Plucky, improvisation
• 26:53
  or Or or accidental hutzpah rather than, because we're so
• 26:58
  effing amazing. Because I can't identify with
• 27:01
  somebody who's brilliant? Because that's not how I feel.
• 27:03
  I can identify with somebody or give it their best shot.
• 27:07
  Hopefully get it right here. He is Peter miles.
• 27:12
  Look at salute. You, it's fantastic.
• 27:20
  And it's only like, you know, little bits of color in a few
• 27:22
  bits of latex. Left it, Dry.
• 27:23
  And then sort of plucked to be also a man key.
• 27:29
  And this is exactly unflappable. Art is still completely in
• 27:33
  character, isn't it? Yeah.
• 27:35
  And I remember being surprised this because in the book he just
• 27:38
  he survives till episode 7, essentially in the book and when
• 27:41
  the salarians come in and sort of say, you know, you'll get out
• 27:44
  do this or do that and he just goes no and they disintegrate
• 27:47
  him that a and then miss Travis. Who's is a system?
• 27:50
  Which helps to save the day. So he yeah he just gets
• 27:53
  disintegrated by the silurians whereas I am gang.
• 27:58
  It's great. I didn't it links up on the
• 28:01
  fucking table. Yeah.
• 28:03
  And tries to throw the drink a day Yeah, yeah, look as its, I
• 28:12
  love this and I do and I know some people who would watch that
• 28:16
  and go, oh, that's just ridiculous.
• 28:17
  Death is ridiculous. Violence is ridiculous.
• 28:20
  It's not, it's not precise, it's not choreographed.
• 28:25
  And I think it's a brave actor that does that I'm I'm full of
• 28:28
  admiration, which it was so satisfying about it is is
• 28:31
  basically we've been waiting six episodes for him to lose his
• 28:34
  temper. Yeah, is kept it all simmer in
• 28:37
  under, that's the other thing. Yeah.
• 28:39
  It's it's not that, it's that sort of provide, it's not that
• 28:41
  he's been at 11 for the whole thing.
• 28:44
  And this is just the natural progression of that.
• 28:45
  He, this has been simmering and it's fun.
• 28:48
  That's the scene where it boils, and it's fantastic.
• 28:53
  Oh and we get another great Cliffhanger as well because he's
• 28:55
  now got the Cure. So her are everyone's going to
• 28:59
  be saved and that's what I mean. And kidnapping, it's the sort of
• 29:03
  equivalent of major Baker. Are coming in just at the wrong
• 29:06
  moment. Yes.
• 29:07
  And coming in at just that the Roma.
• 29:08
  Now, we've got the site. Look, we've upped it again, and
• 29:10
  I'll get another episode out of this yet, baby.
• 29:13
  I'll tell ya. Although, it does give the
• 29:17
  Nicholas Courtney a chance to someone who's very good on a
• 29:19
  telephone. You know, he really convinces
• 29:21
  me. It.
• 29:22
  Go pick up the phone and goes the daily W.
• 29:24
  Yes. Reporter.
• 29:28
  I don't they in that. Who killed Kennedy Brooke.
• 29:30
  Yeah. Isn't it the reporter?
• 29:33
  I like this effect as All the, the burning through in the white
• 29:37
  top. I love the whole thing of the,
• 29:39
  you know, that this is Justin that it's sort of organic
• 29:42
  manipulation from these creatures that are sort of of
• 29:45
  the earth, you know, I like that that's sort of suggested without
• 29:48
  being sort of dwelt upon or have a big speech about and I love
• 29:52
  that again, the Silhouettes of them coming through the smoke.
• 29:55
  I feel like it's brilliant visual watching.
• 29:58
  This case are really looking at the visuals now rather than
• 30:00
  listening to it and how the lights are kept out there.
• 30:04
  Very often in silhouette and very effective for it.
• 30:08
  That wrote that the ambulance man who is recovering is Dave
• 30:11
  Carter the old silurian. There we go.
• 30:14
  They've taken him out of his rub.
• 30:15
  Its rubber costume, and stuck him in bed.
• 30:17
  Going well with. We paid you for this week and
• 30:20
  you go, I love this dialogue. Here, they're basically sets up
• 30:23
  what's going to happen, right? All they need is the formula
• 30:26
  now, right? I'll go and get it though, and
• 30:30
  arrows, great at that stuff, as he just done a, the silurians
• 30:32
  are everywhere. They've killed, Sergeant Tarts.
• 30:34
  And I Let's do it next week where he goes, private Upton's
• 30:37
  dead, you know, and it's not private Upton who we've never
• 30:42
  met, you know, but it gives it a real, you know, the silurians
• 30:45
  they're everywhere. He's his Steely voice means that
• 30:49
  all of that stuff has real impact.
• 30:51
  He could have just run in and went my wife has been added, oh
• 30:58
  I love Darrow, I'll never know. What do you think this?
• 31:07
  This acting star was ever involved, people.
• 31:10
  And you guys, as far as I'm concerned, it never went away.
• 31:14
  These are, the music goes insane here as they come through the
• 31:18
  door. Yeah, of course, one last gun
• 31:24
  from Bowie. Yeah.
• 31:27
  Yeah. It's a shame.
• 31:28
  It's not, it's not, it's not a great shot that sadly, her.
• 31:32
  She's that. You think you may be watched a
• 31:33
  few of went. Oh, I need to Stop.
• 31:35
  No because he never quite you never quite loses the gun does
• 31:37
  he? I don't think he ever talks when
• 31:39
  he is been strangled by those tentacles in spearhead from
• 31:43
  space because that cameras. So in his face.
• 31:45
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 31:48
  It's a, it's a shame that he never.
• 31:51
  That's, that's maybe his Achilles his Achilles, he is
• 31:55
  Achilles next, which although the sides did the telephone
• 32:00
  wires in Terror of the autons as well?
• 32:01
  Uh, yeah. Yeah.
• 32:03
  Uh, pretty effective. Well, Toby, I've saved all the
• 32:07
  last episode questions for the last episode because obviously
• 32:10
  people have some things to say about the brigadier's actions.
• 32:14
  Yeah, yes. So should we skip into episode 7
• 32:18
  and find out what people have got to ask?
• 32:20
  Yeah, I mean we're talking about episode endings.
• 32:24
  I listen to a hamster with a blunt penknife and sometimes the
• 32:27
  episodes just now, giving you a name
• 32:48
  I love it. Anyone can go and we will be
• 32:53
  more Shenanigans in Wembley more.
• 32:55
  Next time, I thought I had fun. Sometimes I go to the bit where
• 32:59
  I go and I'll cut it there. A lotta believably, I'll
• 33:05
  actually Better Than I Used to Be he's to be absolutely
• 33:07
  atrocious, but