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Unadvertised Joy · Mom Wars

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  Speaker 1: From the front lines of The Mom Wars. Here's Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Mandel and Kara Kennedy.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to another episode of your favorite new podcast.
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  Speaker 2: This is the mom Wars. I am Bethany Mandel, one
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  Speaker 2: of your co hosts. There's only two of us, and
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  Speaker 2: it's very easy to tell us apart. I am a
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  Speaker 2: mom of six. We homeschool, and I'm a freelance writer
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  Speaker 2: places like The New York Post, the Washington Examiner, and
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  Speaker 2: that's basically it. I am joined by.
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  Speaker 3: Car Kennedy, mom of one.
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  Speaker 2: And wait, what you're just gonna say it? I was
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  Speaker 2: gonna I did the end as like a like a
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  Speaker 2: professional thing.
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  Speaker 3: Well I am, let's just saying because you know I
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  Speaker 3: love it. Well, so, my mother in law, my late
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  Speaker 3: mother in law, had like a very good take on
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  Speaker 3: the fact that like people keep a secret for twelve
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  Speaker 3: weeks and she's just like, this is what makes miscarriage
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  Speaker 3: so not discuss like under discussed. Yeah, and babies and
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  Speaker 3: babies and we should celebrate them like from the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: What And also, I'm just I can't hide it. I
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  Speaker 3: am already told. When my grandmother put her on Facebook,
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know, I was three weeks pregnant when
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  Speaker 3: my grandmother put her on Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: So so in my group chat of ladies. So I
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  Speaker 2: used to have a podcast on Ricochet called lady Brains.
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  Speaker 2: It's all of those ladies. We use someone's name as
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  Speaker 2: a verb for when they tell someone else's news prematurely.
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  Speaker 2: And I won't use that person's name here, but that's
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  Speaker 2: what happened to you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wait, who is it now I'm talking.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to this person I have because it's
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  Speaker 2: like a unique name and a lot of people will know.
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  Speaker 3: Who I'll say. I kind of am that person, though,
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  Speaker 3: I mean to me with pregnancy, because so many of
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  Speaker 3: my friends, like, really, I think it's like an Instagram
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  Speaker 3: brain thing where you don't tell anybody until twelve weeks, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: mainly so you can like get the perfect shot. You
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  Speaker 3: can like hire photographers and the order, like the embroidered stuff,
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  Speaker 3: you know. I feel like it's more to do with
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  Speaker 3: that than honestly anything else. And I'm kind of the
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  Speaker 3: one that's just like, yeah, kay, it's pregnant, or like
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  Speaker 3: so and so is pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: So I waited later and later to tell people because
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  Speaker 2: people got more and more judgmentals kids, and so I
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  Speaker 2: didn't say it for a long time with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them, like five six months with most of them,
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  Speaker 2: because I was just like I don't want to hear it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even tell my family. Towards the last ones.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, that's crazy. I mean I can
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  Speaker 3: see why though, And it also just like it kind
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  Speaker 3: of becomes less of big deal with each kid. I like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like it's just it's not the
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  Speaker 3: first time again, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, So do you feel embarrassed? This is a kind
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  Speaker 2: of a weird question. I felt like a teen mom.
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  Speaker 2: And I also was like, now everyone knows what we
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  Speaker 2: do when we told when we told Seth's uncle when
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  Speaker 2: we were pregnant with one of them, because our kids
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  Speaker 2: are all very close together and age, She's like, how
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  Speaker 2: do you have time? And I was like, that's not
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  Speaker 2: a question I want to answer.
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  Speaker 3: I will say so when my mother came on holiday
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  Speaker 3: with us, I knew I was gonna opulate, so I
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  Speaker 3: kind of sasted it down before and we're like, h
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  Speaker 3: might try and make a baby or this trip is
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  Speaker 3: that okay? And she was like, hmm, I don't really
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  Speaker 3: want to know until like it's done. I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to be pre warned because that I'm just gonna wonder.
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  Speaker 3: But it's done now, I guess. I was also on
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  Speaker 3: FaceTime with her when I found out, because it was
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  Speaker 3: like it was like ridiculously at least to do a test,
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  Speaker 3: like I hadn't even missed a period yet, and I
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  Speaker 3: was on FaceTime her. She was like with my grandfather
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  Speaker 3: as well, like and she was like, oh, just do it,
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  Speaker 3: just do It'll be so fun So like the freak
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  Speaker 3: paid on a stick on face expected it to come
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  Speaker 3: up like inconclusive or negative. And then I looked at
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  Speaker 3: it time, I say, and I was like, oh.
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  Speaker 2: So this is not a conversation we perhaps should have
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  Speaker 2: on the podcast, but I find that so fascinating. So
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  Speaker 2: on the last episode, we talked about how I've never
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  Speaker 2: been an adult with parents alive.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and like they know what you do. Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's so weird. It's funny because my mother is a
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  Speaker 3: huge crude as well. Like I know some people who
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  Speaker 3: talk about sex or other kind of stuff like that
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  Speaker 3: with their parents a lot, and I find it so weird.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah I would have wed. Yeah, I think it's really odd.
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  Speaker 3: But I'll mentioned like a couple of stuff there I give,
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get pregnant or whatever, you know. So
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  Speaker 3: I feel like there's a fine line, and I'm pretty
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  Speaker 3: good with the boundaries.
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  Speaker 2: I find that so interesting. Yeah, it was so deeply uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: When Seth's uncle asked me how we have the time,
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  Speaker 2: I just at that point that was I think our
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  Speaker 2: third kid, and they were really close together in age,
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  Speaker 2: and at that point I told Seth. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you will be the one that tells our family from
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  Speaker 2: now on, and well, your family my family, I just
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  Speaker 2: stopped telling. But like it's different because like I don't
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  Speaker 2: have siblings, they don't have parents. Like my cousin texted
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  Speaker 2: me with one of my kids, one of my later kids,
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  Speaker 2: She's like, I had a dream you're pregnant. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, funny, l I am. And that was
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  Speaker 2: how I told her. But I just stopped telling my
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  Speaker 2: family after a while because they were like, what are
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  Speaker 2: you doing exactly? Is this gonna be like the duggers.
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  Speaker 4: I will say, like, it's only when you've had a
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  Speaker 4: kid that you do become more interested in like how
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  Speaker 4: people have time, or like the specific time in between kids.
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  Speaker 3: I know a few people who got pregnant exactly three
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  Speaker 3: months after the kid was born.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa.
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  Speaker 3: And one of them was even born three months after
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  Speaker 3: the mother had a C section and so, and like,
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  Speaker 3: when you hear that and you don't have kids, you
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  Speaker 3: don't really think about it a lot. But I remember
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  Speaker 3: being three months postpass him when she told me that,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, that is crazy. You are crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I the first this is so much information. This is
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  Speaker 2: why it's good that our husbands don't listen to this
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  Speaker 2: bad At the first kids, I was scared the first
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  Speaker 2: couple of times, Like it's scary things are to tell
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  Speaker 2: people no, no, no to like jump back in the arena.
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  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, yeah, I mean it depends if you tear
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  Speaker 3: or not. I can imagine if.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't tay. Just it's just scary at first.
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  Speaker 3: Well, things are definitely different. I mean I have stretch
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  Speaker 3: boks in places that I did not have stretch balks.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody told me about that. Also hemorrhoids. Trying to say,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is boy too, cm I, but that
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  Speaker 3: has to.
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  Speaker 2: Be the thing our poor, our poor podcast editors. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: the only man who has to listen to the show.
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  Speaker 3: He said last week that they was a lot of
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  Speaker 3: breast so involved. Did you see the title? It's just
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  Speaker 3: comed The title hemorrhoids is the one thing that I
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  Speaker 3: swear not a single soul mentioned it to me before
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  Speaker 3: I get it, and I was googled at what the
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  Speaker 3: hell is wrong with me?
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  Speaker 2: And then so it dovetails nicely into my fear and
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  Speaker 2: paranoid about colon cancer, because colon cancer is killing like
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people of our generation that I do
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  Speaker 2: not think is normal.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't that the one that progresses like really really quick people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't know until you're basically did. And
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  Speaker 2: so having hemorrhoids and being terrified of colon cancer is
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  Speaker 2: not a good combo. Yeah, zero stars do not recommend.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I can talk about hamoids old day.
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  Speaker 3: I have so many hamroids stories.
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  Speaker 2: So let's let's shift gears for a moment from hemorrhoids
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  Speaker 2: to our second lady, shall we. Right, there's no there's
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  Speaker 2: no easy way to do this.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not just going to cut off.
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  Speaker 2: So I got mad at Seth on Sunday because so
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  Speaker 2: we went to it was like ninety three, ninety four,
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  Speaker 2: ninety five degrees, So we needed something indoors and I
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  Speaker 2: don't feel like we do enough as a whole family
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  Speaker 2: out of the house. And so a couple of months
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  Speaker 2: ago I flew into Dulls and I was like, oh wow,
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  Speaker 2: that that Aaron Space thing. I've seen so many people
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  Speaker 2: post pictures of it. It's so close to Dullas we
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  Speaker 2: should go, And so I've had it in the back. No,
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  Speaker 2: not to the one year Dallas Radibal.
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  Speaker 3: Wait. I have lived in the US for two years
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  Speaker 3: and I've been maybe twenty five times. I'm not even kidding.
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  Speaker 2: One near Well you live closer, yeah the dah Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but you live closer right, yeah, Yeah, it's like fifty
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  Speaker 2: it's like fifty minutes from us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So we went. Finally, my younger two boys, who
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  Speaker 2: are almost four and two years old two and a half,
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  Speaker 2: are obsessed with rockets and airplanes, so like duh, we
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  Speaker 2: had to go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So we walked through for like an hour and a half,
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  Speaker 2: had a super duper duper fun time, and we sat
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  Speaker 2: down all eight of us in the booth because they're
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  Speaker 2: six children and two parents and we're stuffed in and
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  Speaker 2: giving the kid snacks and seth Lee's over and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't that woman look like Usha Vans at the checkout?
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  Speaker 2: And I turned around and he didn't believe it was her,
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  Speaker 2: and because she's like alone with three kids who are
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  Speaker 2: at a table on the other side of the room,
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  Speaker 2: and she's like she ran up to the self checkout
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  Speaker 2: to like get some waters for them. And I looked
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, that's Usha. That is Usha,
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  Speaker 2: and so I immediately was like I'm going to shoot
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  Speaker 2: my shot. And I jumped up and I was like, hey, hey, hey, there, Usha, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: and she looked at me and she's like very nervous.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't really want to make eye contact with me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, it's cool, it's cool. Were good? Were good?
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  Speaker 2: And she just went on Megan McCain's podcast and it
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  Speaker 2: was in a great episode and I really recommend people
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  Speaker 2: go listen to it. And I listened to it, and
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  Speaker 2: so I was like, I'm friends with Megan. It was
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  Speaker 2: a great and I didn't want to be like, your
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  Speaker 2: husband follows me on Twitter, but like, your husband does
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  Speaker 2: follow me on Twitter? Yeah, like years. Actually, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a big fan since like hillbili Elogy days before he
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  Speaker 2: was even like political in any way, So I just
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  Speaker 2: I name dropped Meghan. I was like, I'm friends with Megan.
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  Speaker 2: It was a great show. Love love you, and she's
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  Speaker 2: and she was clearly like flustered, and she's like I
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  Speaker 2: have to get back to my kid. I'm like, totally understand.
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  Speaker 2: I have six over there. You're good. I love you.
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  Speaker 2: And as we were walking away, I was like, bt, dubs,
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  Speaker 2: my kids are all doing your reading challenge, which most
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  Speaker 2: of them are. Actually, my oldest daughter is reading Jake
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  Speaker 2: Tapper's book right now. Actually, oh my god, that's hilarious,
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  Speaker 2: enjoying it very much. But it was funny because she
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  Speaker 2: asked me. She's like, mommy, what's an eight? What's AIDS?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, well, it's a very sad virus.
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  Speaker 2: And I started getting into this whole thing. She's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's not. Like yeah, it's a really sad virus. And
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  Speaker 2: was like, honey, your mom's brain goes to a dark
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  Speaker 2: place sometimes. Can you show me the word? And she
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  Speaker 2: pointed the word and it's like Biden's AIDS and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's just the people that have him. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: my mind goes to death instead of someone.
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  Speaker 3: The wait, hang on, what is Usha Vance's Breeden.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so it's cute. So if you google like Second
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: Lady Reading challenge for kids that are in like K
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  Speaker 2: through twelve, if they read ten books in the summer,
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  Speaker 2: which like my kids like filled out all ten already
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  Speaker 2: and I just have to honestly put it in the mail,
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  Speaker 2: they get a prize, which I'm really kicking myself for
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  Speaker 2: not asking her what's the freaking prize? My kids are
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  Speaker 2: dying to know. I thought that's crude, I know, And
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  Speaker 2: you get like entered to win a tour of the
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  Speaker 2: White House.
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  Speaker 3: Oh nice, Yeah, we're done. Who I have?
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  Speaker 2: So I tweeted him and I was, I like did
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  Speaker 2: like a whole little, you know, tweet thing saying I
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  Speaker 2: saw her, she was alone, and like obviously she was alone,
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  Speaker 2: obviously there were secret Service there, but they weren't helping her,
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  Speaker 2: Like she's she's solo helping those three kids, who, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, were dressed as astronauts and an Air Force pilot.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so cute, Yeah I have. I'm basically it's so cute.
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  Speaker 2: I'm basically a stalker. Like I write about them all
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  Speaker 2: the time. People send me pictures of them all the time,
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  Speaker 2: and like to see it in the flesh in like
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  Speaker 2: in the wild.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh they are totals normal, totally delightful, normal family. Like
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  Speaker 2: she's just getting her kids lunch and like throwing out
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  Speaker 2: waters and she like, I mean she could have people
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  Speaker 2: helping her.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah she didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just her mom there with three kids alone.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, you go girl, Yeah, I love you.
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  Speaker 3: What a fun place to take the kids to as well.
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  Speaker 3: I love that. What was your favorite plane that me
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  Speaker 3: and Nick often talked about our favorite planes?
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  Speaker 2: Really, that's so cute. I had no favorite plane. It
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  Speaker 2: was neat for us to see the discovery. We so
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: we went to the regular Air and Space pretty recently,
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  Speaker 2: we go there, like we've done that like five or
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  Speaker 2: six times. Yeah, and we had Every time we go,
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  Speaker 2: we have a very long conversation about Apollo thirteen. Have
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  Speaker 2: you ever seen the movie Apollo thirteen with Tom Hanks.
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  Speaker 3: I have a hilarious story about this. So I watched
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  Speaker 3: Apollo thirteen and I was the only person ever watch
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  Speaker 3: it to not know how it ends. I'm not joking. Wait,
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  Speaker 3: he is the one that blew up right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah they lived?
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  Speaker 3: Did they Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Lived?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? They lived? Okay, But I didn't know anything about
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  Speaker 3: Apollo thirteen, nothing at all, and I was so anxious
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  Speaker 3: the whole time because it's like a high stress film. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it is very hard, And I googled it twenty minutes
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  Speaker 3: before it ended. And Nick was so furious with me,
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  Speaker 3: first because I didn't know the story of Apollow thirteen,
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  Speaker 3: and then second me because my gen z brain got
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  Speaker 3: the better of me and I didn't finish it through
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  Speaker 3: to find out.
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  Speaker 2: So my third kid, Ultima is his like name. He
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  Speaker 2: is a very nervous media watcher, and he is he
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  Speaker 2: During Apollo thirteen, he was just pacing. Yeah, he couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: He couldn't happen. That contract anxiety inducing for him. When
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  Speaker 2: he was little, we went to Hershey Park, I guess
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  Speaker 2: he was like four or five and they showed a
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  Speaker 2: movie that was like Welcome to Hershey Park and he
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  Speaker 2: got so scared. We had to seth had to walk
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  Speaker 2: out with him. Oh that's that's who he is.
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  Speaker 3: That's so cute.
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  Speaker 2: He's such a like he's such a crazy, like tough kid.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like habitually surprised when I'm like, oh right, you're
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  Speaker 2: actually very sensitive to like movies and books and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: The kids all really want to see Jurassic Park, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I can never show them. I can never
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  Speaker 2: show him that movie. I can show the other ones
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  Speaker 2: that movie.
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  Speaker 3: I can never wait. Isn't that like twenty Jurassic Talks.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen a couple of.
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  Speaker 2: Them, Yeah, the first one We're Have you ever seen it?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Nick makes me watch so much stuff, I've
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  Speaker 3: probably seen it.
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  Speaker 2: So I remember that movie vividly. I was ten years
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  Speaker 2: old and my mom My mom did not care for
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  Speaker 2: like age mornings, Like she didn't care if someone was
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  Speaker 2: something was marked like NC seventeen or whatever, like I
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  Speaker 2: was not a sheltered child, and she brought me to
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  Speaker 2: Jurassic Park and I got so I was ten years old.
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  Speaker 2: I was so scared that I sat on the floor
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  Speaker 2: of the of the movie theater with my hands over
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  Speaker 2: my head and the floor is super sticky. I remember
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  Speaker 2: it so vividly, and my mom was like, hey, you
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  Speaker 2: okay down there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I'm just more comfortable down here. Thanks,
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  Speaker 3: I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: So that's always what I think of when I think
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  Speaker 2: of Jurassic Park. No, but that is a really scary movie,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think I can never show him. I
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  Speaker 2: think he'll have to go to college never having seen
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  Speaker 2: Jurassic Park.
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  Speaker 3: What about like scary scary films? Does he like like stuff? Mom,
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  Speaker 3: you said it's like scary films?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Never, I mean everything scares him?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, next doesn't like very films.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like them either. I don't see the point.
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  Speaker 2: I also don't see the point in shows or movies
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  Speaker 2: that make me cry. Why do I want to cry?
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  Speaker 2: Like just gratuitously cry. I felt like that Mandy Moore
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  Speaker 2: show This is Us. It just was trying to make
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  Speaker 2: me cry.
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  Speaker 3: Actually week that wait, I cry over anything. So it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of hard to separate what is created in order
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  Speaker 3: to make me cry and what I've just cried at
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  Speaker 3: because I just cry all the time.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: So seth, I'm not that person, which is why I
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: don't like when I feel like I'm being forced to
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: do it, which is why I stopped watching This is Us.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: But it was funny when I was pregnant with our
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: oldest so we used to be really big fans of
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: bar Rescue. Have you ever heard of this show? That's
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: exactly what it sounds like this John Taffer goes in
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: and rescues bars that are like about.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: To fail bars okay, bar Rescue, Yeah, and like Gordon
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Ramousy's Yeah.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: So Seth banned me from ever watching Bar Rescue again
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: because I cried every single episode.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: This is their life savings, this is all.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: We have to stop it. I don't watch this with
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: you anymore. And that was basically the end of us
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: watching things together.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: So wait, do you have So I have a friend
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: who they have like separate TV watching rooms because they
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: specifically set out to watch like their separate shows. Whereas
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm gonna get a divorce when Nate
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: watches Someday without me.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: We used to be like that, and now I don't
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: remember the last time because he hates watching things with
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: me because I play on my phone and then I
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: ask him what just happened? And so we have not
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: we've not watched anything together in probably eight years because
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: you just can't handle it anymore.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have like a whole time to not be
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: on your Oh I guess you can't watch TV, can you?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: No? No? No TV? Oh my god, I don't even
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: know how to turn our TV. What to do on Shabbat? Yeah,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: we read, we sleep, we play with the kids, we
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: go to the park, we have meals with friends like
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: we did.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, right, But if there any like background
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: noise running, then.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: No, I mean screeches of six children.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Want to know background noise? I have to have something
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: on something.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Really Yeah, yeah, no, I find it very enjoyable. It's
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: been harder, Yeah, it's not.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: It's objectively great.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it's been harder because everything in the
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: last year and a half two years has basically happened
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: on Shabbat. So I have a policy that I keep
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: my phone on but silent, and then I have like
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: a handful of people who can break through the do
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: not disturb and they do. Sometimes when you know, a
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: war starts or.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: If that happens, what do you go on your phone?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, yeah, especially for I mean for work purposes.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I have a communications firm. I don't like, don't really
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: talk about it that much, but I have a communications
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: firm that I have some clients that like, I need
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: to be available if there's breaking news because they need
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: to communicate things. But you know, ninety nine percent of
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: the time it's not necessary. But if a war starts
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: on Shabbah.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: It's been a few of those that may.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a few, right, So yeah, so it's really nice.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: And the other day, actually, Lindsay Fifield, who I used
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: to do Lady Brains with, she's one of the people
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: who can break through my do not disturb, and she
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: forgot it was Saturday, and she called me and I
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: was like, because the last time she did that was
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: on October seventh, twenty twenty three, And so I picked
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: up the phone. I was like, hey, Lindsay, what's up.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: And she starts like chattering about something. I'm like, oh
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: my gosh, Lindsay is Shabbat And she's like, all right, yeah, okay,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: sorry bye.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Oh is she Dorish?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Oh okay.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: She she trained to be Jewish. She lived with me
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: when she first moved to d C. She didn't have
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: a place to live, and she was working nights. It
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: was actually a really interesting job. She was helping coalate
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: like briefing documents for government officials and so all of
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: that had to be done at night so that they
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: had a briefing book in the morning, and so that
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: was her job. Yeah, so she worked nights doing that.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: She moved in and slept in my bed during the
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: day work, and I like rarely saw her and she
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: lived there for free. But then we realized when she
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: moved out and finally got her own place like two
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: months later, that she had been cleaning our apartment the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: whole time. Oh, I had no idea.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: And he didn't even realize.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: No. Suddenly suddenly the apartment just fell apart, and I
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: was like, wait, you weren't That wasn't me. You thought that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I thought that was you, And she was like in.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: My roommate was like, no, I thought that was you.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: And we're like, oh crap, we shouldn't have let to
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: go about.
• 22:01
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• 22:05
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• 22:10
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• 22:11
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• 22:13
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• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Wait can we media gossip beside? Yeah?
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: That's dor it.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: So did you see the tablet Dinner?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And I'm still bummed I wasn't invited.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Wait, I know, say, I guess I had a whole
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: time with somebody over this. Did you see Aesavia Banks
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: was there? Yes, boobs out naked.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't see boobs out.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: She was naked. She she wore like a Nate, like
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: a she ad dress. Yeah. And also like the real
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: house fives were there as well. I saw some real
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: house fives there. I was like, wow, what is this dinner?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I want to go? Yeah, it was funny. I actually
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: was looking at their website today because I want to
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: subscribe to their magazine because I love having Shabbat reading.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: We just got it. It's very good.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Really, okay, good, I'm gonna do it. You got yeah,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: because we do. Something happened to my my Washington Examiner subscription. Actually,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: what happened, I don't know. I don't get it anymore. Yeah,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know what happened.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe they took you all this.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I was paying for it for years because I was like, yeah,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: it was like a low running fight. Oh, I didn't
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: tell you why I was mad at Seth about your shot.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Hold on, I'll rewind and I'll tell you why I
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: was mad. About Seth. So he I used to tell
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: him every week like bring home the mag and he
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: did it and every Friday, but like, so where's the bag? Oh?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Sorry or forgot it? And I was like you want
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: screw it? And I just subscribed, yeah, like paid for it.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, now I don't need you. Now, just withdraw
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the reasons that we're fighting.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: I don't do anything to not pay for magazine. So
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: then I expect you know.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Me too, I'm really mad about it. Yeah, And so
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I just it just was worth it because I was
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: getting really angry at him every single week, and so
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I was just like, I'm I will pay eighty five
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: dollars a year to not be angry at you.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: So I am angry at him about Usha actually, because
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: he had seen her several times before the cafeteria and
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: people flag it for me.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: He says he wasn't sure, but he was pretty sure
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: find for me. Dude, I'm like the biggest Usha Vance
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: fan on the freaking Planeteah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not mad at him. Not good husband.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because we never ever fight. And someone
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: asked me the other day, like a parenting question, like
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: what do you do. Do you fight in front of
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: your children? I was like, oh, we never fight. And
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: then this weekend we fought the whole week The whole
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: weekend I was I was really mad at him about
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: a couple of things that I've now forgotten. So this
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: is like, yeah, this is what you need in a marriage.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: You just have to forget all the fights. But I
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: did have grievances against him all weekend long, and we
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: fought all weekend. And then I made like a really
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: snide comment at dinner on Sunday night with friends, and
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: he was like, what what was that? I was like,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I'm so mad at you? And he was like for what?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I like, I don't remember anymore exciting all weekend and
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I don't remember the context, but I remember I'm mad.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Did he do this in front of friends?
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I made the snide comment about him, and he waited
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: until we were alone to be like wtf.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I say, he's a very good husband.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And my answer was I don't know why I'm
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: mad at you, but I am. That's yeah, that's not good.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not even pmssing. He asked me like, is there
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: like some sort of calendar I should be using it?
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: And I was like, Dad, don't.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: You dare I would this. This is the less annoying
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: thing that's happened to me in the past few months.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Is I taught Nick about a loucial face because it
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: was like three or four months ago now, and he
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: said something. I snapped at him and he was like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: how's wrong with do? And I was like, I just
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: can't stand you. I'm in my lucy phase. I don't
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: know what it is. Everything it aut you annoys me,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: every single thing. And then of course he's like, well,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: it's a lucial face. And I'm like, I'll just look
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: it up and don't even want to talk to you
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: to explain it. And now I have dug my own grace.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Is that boy talks about lucial faces anything else?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I I remember trying to teach Seth about the whole cycle.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: With our first kid, I ran and I remember how
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: it was so anti climactic. How I told him I
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: was pregnant. Was I ran into the bedroom holding a stick.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I was like, look, look, and he was like, oh,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: does that mean you're ovulating? And I was like what,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: But why do you think? I was not taking no
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: for an answer. Two weeks ago. My friend, No, this
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: is the big khuna. This means we accomplished what we
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: needed to accomplish. And yeah, no, he I don't know
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: how much he knows now. I feel like he knows
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: a lot now.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: So when I paid on a pregnancy stick and it
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: was positive, I then tried to work out like, well
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: my d day would be and I was doing all
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: of this googin and it not. That makes sense to me,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: and it didn't with my first baby as well. Because
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: so apparently by the time you off the late tag,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: you're already two weeks pregnant. That's how they count it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how they count it, but like you're not.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Actually yeah, so the day you miss your period is
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: for you start four weeks. I don't understand.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Why does anybody understand or we just say do this
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: and nobody really gets why.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: No one understands why because the whole pregnancy years I
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: want to understand. Then you're starting at that four week
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: and so when you're twenty weeks pregnant, you're actually only
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: sixteen weeks pregnant.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Oh that's why you're pregnant. They say you're part of
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the ten months.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: But it's actually it's actually not we see. Yeah, okay,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: it's very silly. Yeah No, I'm I am so excited
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: for you, and I'm excited to see how I feel
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: as this progresses because I get pregnancy jealousy.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't go.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I think that I will, but I'm curious to see
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: how it goes, because I still could pop one more out.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, you could pop twenty more out if you
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: wanted to.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I'm thirty eight and a half.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine. Dude, who are not having babies into
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: their fifties now? Yeah, but like I say, you're on
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: some of them, some of them not. I mean I
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: have a lot of friends in their forties now having
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: their first It's crazy. I mean, I'm happy about it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: They wish they did it ten years ago, but yeah,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: they're still doing it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: You could easily pop out five six more.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm twenty seven. I could pop out. It's crazy.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: You can pop out loads. I started at twenty seven.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: You've already got a baby.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I know. I'm so trad. I'm even more tad than you.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I will say, though, you did kind of freak me
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: out because I did mention to you a couple months
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: ago that I wanted to get pregnant, and you said, oh, like,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: how how many months first part? And would you be?
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: And I said nine months? And you like that's the
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: that's was your worst, You said the nine months.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so how far apart? Will these two kids be?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Eighteen months?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've done that twice.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard, I will say my older two. So
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I did it with my older two kids and my
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: younger two kids. They were seventeen months apart, both of
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: them were. It was very hard. My older two were
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: very very close for a long time. Then they stopped
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: being close because they have very different personalities, which is
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: funny because she has my personality and he has Seth's
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: personality and they are like oil and water apparently. But
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: my younger two boys are so sweet. They're so besties
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: and like super codependent and really sweet. And it's like
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: really manifesting right now because my four almost four year
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: old is at day camp for the for the last
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: week and a half, and my two year old is
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: still home with me and he just asks me all
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: day where his siblings are. But he's loving his only
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: child life. I brought him to a music class last
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: week and he was like, this is amazing. Everyone's singing
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and dancing, and I had my mom all to myself.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: This is all he is so cute. I'm struggling not
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: to say the names because I'm not used to that,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: because now I'm mad. Then I know zip it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Well, it's fine because I forget their names usually, so
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: it's easier.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the nine month gus, So my pie in my
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: head will see what transpires is to just do it once,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: so it can't be that bad.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: You know, it's addicting, it's quins.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Well, this is kind of the thing that's freaking me
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: out because obviously I found out so aily and the
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: the task result like came up straight away and it
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: was like really dark bred and you know they say,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: like gg that will like the big in the possibility
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: of twins.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I will warn you that children are addicting. Yeah,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I thought I was done after number four, and after number.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Five they're pretty cute. This is well, definitely. Now she
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: walks around with like her one twos, just like poking out.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: She's got Harvey any hair, she has a dressed on.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. Nick made such a horrible joke today
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: that I should not sell but he said that she
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: looked like the TSA agent from the Biden administration. No,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: non TSA agent was I don't know he stole bags
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: from TSA.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, it was like Homeland Security.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: It wasn't TSA.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: But can you picture the guy that I'm Nick thanks
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: of my nine monthol books like that in a dress.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Not terrifying that that guy had as much power as
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: he did.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Actually, it's really terrifying. When do you think of stuff
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: that happened two or three years like four.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the norms, the norms were, the
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: norms are now being you know whatever. So this was exciting.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I feel like this, we're gonna have to We're gonna
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: have to like really promo this episode because this is
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: like crazy exciting news or do you want to just
• 33:07
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• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll see, we'll see. This will uncover who listens
• 33:14
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• 33:18
  Speaker 3: in the next two weeks and they don't grad tonight me,
• 33:21
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• 33:23
  Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, yeah, so let's not put it
• 33:27
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• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Do you think, oh my god, it's so sneaky.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because then people really have to listen to it.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to put a plug right now. We have
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: twenty eight reviews of our podcast on app Yeah, it's
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: not really nice.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: People got us.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: It's really nice. Yeah, so if people want to go
• 33:48
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• 33:50
  Speaker 2: just read a couple of the reviews because they were really,
• 33:53
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• 34:02
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• 34:04
  Speaker 2: or when I can after my kids go to bed.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: That's probably when you should listen to this podcast. Thank
• 34:08
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• 34:11
  Speaker 2: just talking about normal things and not sensationalizing or giving
• 34:14
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