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  Speaker 1: What's going on, everybody. It's Jeff. I wanted to let
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  Speaker 1: you know we recorded this podcast episode on Monday, August nineteenth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. By the time you hear this, some
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  Speaker 1: things may have changed here or there, but we hope
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  Speaker 1: you enjoy the show. Welcome to Table Talk here at
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  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly
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  Speaker 1: Philly sports podcast show in the world, that's right over
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  Speaker 1: eleven years strong. Got a great discussion coming your way
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  Speaker 1: on Table Talk this week. This Philadelphia Eagles preseason. It's
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  Speaker 1: almost in the books. Yeah, there still is some time
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  Speaker 1: left for guys on the bubble to make this team.
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  Speaker 1: What are some of the storylines that we've really been
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  Speaker 1: following here, whether it's Nakobe Dean, whether it's what the
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  Speaker 1: running back room is gonna look like. The excitement of
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  Speaker 1: this Eagles upcoming season is very real. It's right in
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  Speaker 1: our faces. We've got a great discussion, folks. We've got
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  Speaker 1: a fantastic guest, great interview coming your way. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: right to it joining us this week to get into
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  Speaker 1: this Philadelphia Eagles preseason and a ton of storylines. You
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  Speaker 1: can hear him on All About the Birds. Great podcast
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  Speaker 1: I subscribe on Apple Podcasts, follow him on the Twitter
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  Speaker 1: slash x at Chip for the Birds. We've got our
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  Speaker 1: good friendship, Kegy. How you doing, Buddy, Well, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me excited for some Eagles chat and
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  Speaker 2: some Eagles football eighteen days away from the time we
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  Speaker 2: are recording.
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  Speaker 1: Eighteen days that's what we have here. But hold on
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  Speaker 1: really quick, though, Chip, before we get into some Eagles talk. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you are an umpire. You are an umpire and you're
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  Speaker 1: umping a lot of little here. You have so many
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  Speaker 1: games under your belt. And I wanted to bring this
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  Speaker 1: up just because of the fact that my buddy and
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  Speaker 1: co host Eric here on the show. He coaches little league,
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  Speaker 1: He coaches his son's basketball games during the winter time,
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  Speaker 1: and it's because if it's not folks like you, these
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  Speaker 1: sports are gonna go away for our kids. And I
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  Speaker 1: just got to say, man, it is great that you
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  Speaker 1: do what you do umping games. I've got a colleague
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  Speaker 1: of mine who does it as well, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: the county political scene that I'm involved in, and he
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  Speaker 1: does it as well. And if it wasn't for folks
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  Speaker 1: like you, you get a lot of games under your
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  Speaker 1: belt at this point right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you had told me about nine years
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  Speaker 2: ago that I would be pretty much a full time
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  Speaker 2: umpire because I only signed up because my kids league
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  Speaker 2: needed umpires, so I kind of learned how to do
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  Speaker 2: it a little bit, was awful, and then I got
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  Speaker 2: trained by some really great umpires. As as this recording
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  Speaker 2: is happening, I have done one hundred and sixty four
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  Speaker 2: games this year that ranges from Little League to PI
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  Speaker 2: Double A to Men's League to Legion to Perky League
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  Speaker 2: to pretty much anybody that wants me to umpire game year.
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of doing as much as possible to see
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  Speaker 2: if there's any things I don't want to do for
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  Speaker 2: the future. Yeah, but I think with fall ball coming through,
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  Speaker 2: it's potential that I could hit two hundred this calendar year.
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  Speaker 1: We need more folks like you and out there, if
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  Speaker 1: you're listening to this, you we need more folks like
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  Speaker 1: like Jim.
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  Speaker 2: But zero ejections in one hundred and sixty four games,
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  Speaker 2: zero zero zero.
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  Speaker 1: You mean people are behaving that well, they're actually behaving
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  Speaker 1: that well.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Jeff, you know this. I'm also a teacher,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm able to utilize some of my classroom management
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  Speaker 2: strategies as people in the game. Like I was doing
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  Speaker 2: a game with a partner who wasn't as well trained
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  Speaker 2: just this week, and it was men's league, and everyone
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  Speaker 2: was getting a little contentious, and I was able to
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  Speaker 2: escort players back to their sidelines and tell them to
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  Speaker 2: knock it off so that they were able to stay
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  Speaker 2: in the game.
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  Speaker 1: All right, very nice, All right, Well again, folks, if
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  Speaker 1: you want to get involved in your kids after school activities,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's baseball, basketball, whatever the sport is, you gotta do.
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  Speaker 1: What are these sports are gonna end up going away
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  Speaker 1: for our kids. So that being said, let's getting some
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  Speaker 1: Eagles talk here. It's last week of training camp, Chip,
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  Speaker 1: and there are some guys who are gonna be heading
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  Speaker 1: out of town in the New York FO.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I have to say I'm likely gonna be
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  Speaker 1: eating my words here, words that I spoke on the
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  Speaker 1: All About the Birds podcast with you and Johnny a
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  Speaker 1: few weeks ago. At the time, it seemed like a
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  Speaker 1: bonte Maddox was, you know, maybe not at least for me,
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  Speaker 1: thinking because the cornerback room was so full of talent
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  Speaker 1: that he might be a cap casualty or a cut,
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  Speaker 1: I should say, not cap casualty, but cut perhaps. And
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  Speaker 1: I honestly wasn't trying to do like a hot take
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  Speaker 1: because I'm terrible with hot takes. We are terrible with
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  Speaker 1: hot takes on this podcast platform. But there was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of talent in that cornerback room. We're seeing things
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  Speaker 1: playing out, But it seems like a Bonti Maddox is
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  Speaker 1: likely going to be making this Eagles team this season.
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  Speaker 1: But the question is if he's going to remain on
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  Speaker 1: this roster, Like where does he fit, whether it is
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  Speaker 1: slot corner or whether it's safety. He's certainly comfortable at
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  Speaker 1: slot corner again, been playing that safety role here. What
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  Speaker 1: are your thoughts about Vonte Maddox and where he could
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  Speaker 1: fit in the future with this Vic Fangioe defense.
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  Speaker 2: So, I think one thing that we have to discuss
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  Speaker 2: is the fact that we have witnessed over the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of days some cuts of the dead weight in
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles cornerback room, Guys that weren't going to make
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  Speaker 2: the team, so they kind of just cut them loose.
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  Speaker 2: I think that one thing that we weren't really expecting
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  Speaker 2: is the Cooper de Gene injury, which delayed him just
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  Speaker 2: becoming the nickel corner, and it made Avonte Maddox really
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  Speaker 2: really important to stick around. I think the other thing
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  Speaker 2: that's really important is Isaiah Rodgers has shown sheer excellence.
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  Speaker 2: I think Quinnon Mitchell has shown excellence. So you've got
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of guys that have to develop. Avonte Maddox
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  Speaker 2: is a nickel corner. That is what he does. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I think the the other thing that is interesting
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  Speaker 2: to me is James Bradberry, who looked awful at corner
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  Speaker 2: last year. They completely removed from the corner side of things.
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  Speaker 2: They're trying him at safety and he's getting burned all
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  Speaker 2: over again. So I could see Bradberry making his way
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  Speaker 2: out of town if anybody'll even pick him up. Avante
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  Speaker 2: kind of doing that hybrid nickel and cross training at
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  Speaker 2: the safety because he has experienced it both until Cooper
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  Speaker 2: dejene is ready to take over full time at the
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  Speaker 2: Nickel plus Keiley Ringoes look ad. I mean, yeah, like
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  Speaker 2: we said, it's it's an enjoyable problem to have. I
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  Speaker 2: don't see Avonte Maddox going anywhere unless you see some
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  Speaker 2: injuries and we can kind of over sell our worth
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  Speaker 2: of him right right.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a great point too. And again, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'm eating my words because on the All
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  Speaker 1: About the Words podcast, I was like, I can actually
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  Speaker 1: see Avonte Maddox possibly getting cut. But again, I was
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  Speaker 1: under the impression that Cooper de jan was probably going
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  Speaker 1: to be getting onto the field at some point here,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, it's been it's been a little disappointing
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  Speaker 1: that it's taken him such a long time to nurse
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  Speaker 1: that injury. But another part of this defense that I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to dive into with you, Chip is the linebacker position,
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  Speaker 1: specifically na Kobe Dean. I mean, he's had a nice
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  Speaker 1: he had a nice, very nice second preseason game against
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots. He's been such a high energy guy all
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  Speaker 1: throughout camp and throughout this preseason, and two weeks ago
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  Speaker 1: I thought they'd be showing him the door potentially, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. Now do you think Nakobe Dean
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  Speaker 1: makes this roster And what might his impact be if
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  Speaker 1: he if he is able to stay healthy this season?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, the the health is obviously, like you
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  Speaker 2: just mentioned, the biggest thing. We got rid of some
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  Speaker 2: really quality linebackers two years ago with the understanding of
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  Speaker 2: Nakobe Dean was going to take over, and since then
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  Speaker 2: he has not lived up to it. Yes, short answer,
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  Speaker 2: he makes this roster. You're not getting rid of a
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  Speaker 2: first round talent before you've really seen him play a season.
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  Speaker 2: And I kind of go back to the idea of
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles are in this weird area where they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to hold onto players as long as they can, and
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  Speaker 2: I think of like Kavon Wallace, right, Kevon Wallace was
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  Speaker 2: a pretty decent draft pick as far as where he
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  Speaker 2: was picked, but they gave him chance after chance after
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  Speaker 2: opportunity after opportunity until they realized, hey, this wasn't going
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  Speaker 2: to work out. They cross trained in multiple positions when
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  Speaker 2: na Kobe Dean, they really do need to hit on
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  Speaker 2: that pick. And I mean, obviously the likelihood of every
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  Speaker 2: single Georgia Bulldog being a success is not, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not a very likely scenario. But I think that
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  Speaker 2: they're I mean, they went out and they signed Devin White,
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  Speaker 2: who they knew was going to be a starter. I
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  Speaker 2: think they were pleasantly surprised that Zach Bond is doing
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  Speaker 2: everything that he is and that Jeremiah Trotter Junior is
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  Speaker 2: kind of already playing higher. So again, we've got good linebackers,
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  Speaker 2: but the depth behind those main four is quite honestly
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  Speaker 2: a little embarrassing. Yeah, I mean, Ben Dan Sumer cool,
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  Speaker 2: but Orrin Burk's, Brandon Smith. I mean, these are guys
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  Speaker 2: that are not phenomenal linebackers. And I know that the
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  Speaker 2: way the Eagles run their offense is they kind of
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  Speaker 2: they trickle those edge rushers into the secondary, that back nine,
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  Speaker 2: that back seven. So Nolan Smith is kind of like
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  Speaker 2: also a linebacker, and you know they're looking at some
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  Speaker 2: of these other guys, which is great, but you need
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  Speaker 2: classically trained linebackers to do what they do. I think
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  Speaker 2: na Kobe Dean needs some game time. I think he
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  Speaker 2: needs some regular season time. Yes, he's got to stay healthy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he makes this roster, there is no doubt
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  Speaker 2: in my mind. But he's backing up Uh, He's backing
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  Speaker 2: up Devin Wright and Zach Bond Yep. Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: he is a backup, which is very surprising because that
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  Speaker 2: was not the game plan for him even going into
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  Speaker 2: last year. And I think the thing for me that's
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  Speaker 2: interesting and kind of going back to the Avonte Maddocks
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  Speaker 2: piece is you got to look at what this team's
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  Speaker 2: goal is. Obviously, you want to develop talent for the future,
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  Speaker 2: but this is a team that is capable of winning
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  Speaker 2: a super Bowl this season. So if Nacobe Dean isn't ready,
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  Speaker 2: if Cooper dejen isn't ready to compete at a super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl caliber, you have to have guys in front of
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  Speaker 2: them that have already been there.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, Absolutely, And I think with Nakobe Dean, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, it's so so important, so critical that he
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  Speaker 1: actually gets playing time during the exactly. Yeah, that's the
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  Speaker 1: only way that NFL talent is going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to develop. They can't just do it in practice. And
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  Speaker 1: we love hearing in practice that he is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a past defended, past defended here, you know,
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  Speaker 1: deflection here. We love that, but you know what, we
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen it in games, and it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a little different going against number one wide receivers. Number
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  Speaker 1: one tight ends in terms of covering in space. So
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  Speaker 1: he needs that that experience, that in game experience.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the thing that you mentioned, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even worried so much about the wide receivers because,
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  Speaker 2: like we've already mentioned, our cornerback room. That's their job.
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  Speaker 2: Their job, and the safety is that we have as
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  Speaker 2: an organization for as long as I can remember, off
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  Speaker 2: the top of my head, been absolutely scorched by tight
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  Speaker 2: end after tight end after tight end, and especially.
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  Speaker 1: Because intermediate routes, especially in the interview rods.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and it's because they have put no value into
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  Speaker 2: the linebacking room. So when I think of, Okay, in
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  Speaker 2: order to make the Super Bowl, na Kobe Dean is
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  Speaker 2: going to have to be able to one on one
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  Speaker 2: bring down George Kittle in open space. Then if we
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  Speaker 2: get to the Super Bowl, Nakobe Dean is going to
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  Speaker 2: have to be able to bring down one on one
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  Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey in space.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And I don't see.
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  Speaker 2: That happening yet because I haven't seen it happen. And
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  Speaker 2: they mentioned all the time, you know, well, they're playing
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  Speaker 2: in the preseason against guys who probably won't make the roster,
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  Speaker 2: and that's great that they look good against them, but
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  Speaker 2: they are not all pro level talent right exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Well, before we move over to the offense here, we've
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  Speaker 1: seen certainly seen ups and downs from this defense throughout
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  Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks. During this preseason. Chip'm wondering, like, what,
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  Speaker 1: what has you most concerned about the Eagles defense here
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  Speaker 1: in this preseason that could potentially, you know, stick with
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  Speaker 1: this team into the regular season. Do you have one
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  Speaker 1: specific concern that you're like, you know what, they got
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  Speaker 1: to write this ship here, it's gonna it's gonna create
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  Speaker 1: some problems right out of the gate.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that, and it's it's a good question.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think that my biggest concern is looking
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  Speaker 2: at what this Eagles had last year with guys like
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  Speaker 2: Fletcher Cox, with Hassan Reddick, with these guys who were
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  Speaker 2: constantly getting pressure. When we played against the Ravens in
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  Speaker 2: the first preseason game, we did play a decent amount
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  Speaker 2: of our starters against their second team defense or their
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  Speaker 2: second team offense, and they moved the ball on us.
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  Speaker 2: And again it was early in the preseason, So again
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  Speaker 2: I'm not putting a ton of.
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  Speaker 1: Stock on it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a concern, and I think that from that middle
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  Speaker 2: those a those A gaps where Jordan Davis and Jalen
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  Speaker 2: Carter and Milton Williams have absolutely got to be more
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  Speaker 2: destructive so that Josh Sweat and Bryce Huff can really
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  Speaker 2: step up. I mean, I don't want to be traveling
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  Speaker 2: all the way down to Patrick Johnson as the high
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  Speaker 2: point of our pass rush. We gotta start getting to
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback. Because if you're able to get to quarterback
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  Speaker 2: and I've seen this one, you know, back when we
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  Speaker 2: played against Tom Brady and you hit him, and you
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  Speaker 2: played against Peyton Manning and you hit him, they don't
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  Speaker 2: pick you apart. It doesn't expose that glaring weakness with
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  Speaker 2: the linebackers like it does when you don't get to
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, all right, Well let's move to the offense now.
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  Speaker 1: I really wanted to talk about this running back room
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  Speaker 1: here because it's it's fascinating to me what we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: end up seeing during this regular season. With the exception
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  Speaker 1: of Kenny Gainwell, in my opinion, I can't wait to
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  Speaker 1: see what Saquon Barkley and Will Shipley do this coming year.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there were some folks out there that were
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  Speaker 1: pooh poohing the Shipley pick and what he's shown us
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  Speaker 1: thus far here in camp and these preseason games has
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  Speaker 1: been pretty impressive for a rookie, I believe, and yes
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  Speaker 1: it is still the preseason. That's the caveat, But the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles rushing attack I think is heading to that next
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  Speaker 1: level chip here, and I do wonder if it may
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  Speaker 1: potentially be at the level of the Baltimore Ravens and
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  Speaker 1: if the rushing game will be the offense's identity this
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  Speaker 1: coming season. Here, I wonder what your thoughts are with this.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you thought about this, where the rushing
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  Speaker 1: attack is really going to go with this team and
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  Speaker 1: potentially defining what this season might be offensively.
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  Speaker 2: So there is no doubt the Jeffrey Lurry and friends
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  Speaker 2: do not consider a running game sexy. They don't. We've
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  Speaker 2: heard it when they hired Siriani. We heard it just
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  Speaker 2: about every single which way. They do not enjoy running
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  Speaker 2: the ball. It is not key for explosive plays. The
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  Speaker 2: fact that they went out and they spent money on
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  Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley kind of blew my mind a little bit
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  Speaker 2: after just very recently not spending money on Miles Sanders,
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  Speaker 2: who has some slight less mileage on the tires. With
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  Speaker 2: that being said, this Eagles offensive line, even even now
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  Speaker 2: you know having lost Jason Kelsey, is one of the
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  Speaker 2: most dominant in football. They can move the ball and
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  Speaker 2: offensive linemen enjoy run blocking because it means they get
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  Speaker 2: to go attack right. Pass blocking it's more defensive. It's
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  Speaker 2: keeping your quarterback clean. I think, look, I really like
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. I think that he kind of got a
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  Speaker 2: raw deal last year, and because he had to be
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  Speaker 2: about ninety seven percent of the offense meeting, he was
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  Speaker 2: either throwing and taking a hit or he was running
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  Speaker 2: and taking a hit and the brotherly shove and taking aim.
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  Speaker 2: He got beat up last year and we saw it early.
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  Speaker 2: They have to be more balanced. When this Eagles team
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  Speaker 2: is most successful, it is when they are grinding you down,
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  Speaker 2: pounding you into the ground, and then when they start
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  Speaker 2: to creep up extra men into the box, you're throwing
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  Speaker 2: over top. Look, we've got incredible wide receivers. We've got
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  Speaker 2: a I don't want to say an incredible tight end.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a good tight end. Yet I am not
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  Speaker 2: high on Dallas Godter as one of the elite tight ends.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's a struggle. It's that's my personal issue. He's
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  Speaker 2: good for one drop a game. But if you look
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  Speaker 2: at this rushing attack and you're able to get five
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  Speaker 2: six yards on first down, it opens up your playbook right,
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  Speaker 2: and last year, going into it saying Kenny Gainwill is
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  Speaker 2: our starting running back was a mistake, yes, right, Going
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  Speaker 2: into it saying Boston Scott is going to be a
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  Speaker 2: huge contributing member was a mistake. When you had DeAndre Swift,
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  Speaker 2: who when you allowed him to run the ball, seriously,
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  Speaker 2: had two very very good games, exceptional games. Those were
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  Speaker 2: probably the best that we look. So now you add
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  Speaker 2: a Saquon Barkley, you add a guy who has never
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL played behind this caliber of offensive line,
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  Speaker 2: who has never really played with this caliber of quarterback,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: who is a weapon in and of himself. I think
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: this rushing attack could be very good. And I like
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Gain well as a spell back as coming out of
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: the backfield, lining up in the slot. When you look
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: at Will Shipley, I like him kind of cross training
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: as almost a fullback. Right. I am a huge fullback fan,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: like bring back the fullback right right, Yes, let him
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: carry the ball and get those one to two tough yards.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Let him block. He's a good blocking running back. Past
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: those guys, I don't think they have anybody in the
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: tight end in the running back room. Lou Nichols isn't
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: making this team. Tyry and Davis Price is making this team.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Kendall Milton is not making this team. These are training
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: camp guys to eat of carries the Saquon Barkley should
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: be getting somewhere between eighteen to twenty three carries a
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: game if you want this offense to really be as
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: exceptional as it can be.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: And balance too. You use the word balance, and I
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: have yes, I absolutely think that's critical with this offense
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: this coming season. But there's another aspect of this offense
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: that is going to be critical if Jalen Hurts does
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: go down, and that's the backup quarterback position here. So
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: let's get into quarterback two here. Dam Tanner McKay man.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: He seems to be the clear number two quarterback on
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: this team during this entire preseason. Kenny Pickett's noodle alarm
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: just isn't cutting it for me, and I know a
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: lot of the other fans out there as well. What
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: do you think really should happen with quarterback two back
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: up to Jalen Hurts moving into this season here? I
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of back and forth with this,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: and of course, what the Eagles did trading for Kenny Pickett,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: giving up some assets to get him. But it's been
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: amazing what we've seen from these two, you know, quarterback two,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: quarterback three type of guys. Here, Tanner McKey looks like
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the guy what are your thoughts? Man?
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: So if you listen to Nick Sirianni, which I did,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: he he said flat out well because he was asked
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: this question, you know, Tanner's kind of looked better, and
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: he said, well, Kenny had a good game too, like
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: not a lot of balls at the ground. I mean,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: if number one, this team goes as far as Jalen
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Hurts takes them, right, this team is built around Jalen
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Hurts for his particular skill set. In my opinion, Tanner
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: McKee has looked good against guys that probably will not
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: be playing NFL football this season.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: That's fair, which.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Again, which again, that's what the preseason is for. I
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: really enjoy Tanner McKee's confidence. He is willing to throw
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the ball places that only his receiver is gonna go
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: get it. Kenny Pickett looks a little more timid. He's
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: the check down king and that mentions the noodle or
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: if Jalen were to go down, I would feel more
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: comfortable with Kenny Pickett running this offense because again of
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the balance that this offense is going to require.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: That's a fair point, Yep.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: You don't need a quarterback to throw you to a
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: championship with this offense. If that was the situation and
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: it came to that, yeah, I think tannermer Key is
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the better arm. I feel like Kenny Pickett is the
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: better and already more experienced quarterback. Now, what we also
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: know is Howie loves a good trade deadline, so I
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: could see him recouping some of the picks and sending
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: either Tanner, Mricky or Kenny Picket somewhere. I think their
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: neck and neck. I think that they're good at the
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: things that they do. I just think that the way
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: that this offense is built, McKee isn't ready for the
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: reins yet.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I got it. I think it's fair. I absolutely think
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: it's fair. Again, folks, we're talking to Chipkegy from the
• 21:35
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• 21:39
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• 21:43
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• 21:46
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• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I let you go, Buddy, want to get into a
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: two part bubble question for you here, I guess first,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: let's start off with a certain player who makes this team.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Who you're going to be ticked off if they do so,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be ticked off. If blank player makes this team,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: who is that for me?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: And again I don't consider him a bubble player just
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: because of what he is owed financially. But if James
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Bradbury makes this team, I he number one. I have
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: not forgiven him for being a giant. Right, he was
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: a giant. So if you you know how they say
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: in New York, if you can make it there, you
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: can make it anywhere. Well, if you can't make it there,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be in Philadelphia. Let's start with that. James
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Bradbury looked absolutely atrocious after last season, so bad, so
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: bad that they're like, you need to learn a different position.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And he's not like a first or second year player.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: He's been in the league for you know, more than
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: five minutes, and they said, you're really that bad. We
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: went out and got a bunch of rookies and first
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: year players can do the job better than you. If
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: he's looked bad at safety because it's not his natural position, right,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: If James Bradbury makes this team. I think it is
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: strictly out of a financial liability to get rid of him.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: He's owed a decent amount of money and that's too
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: much dead cap money.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it absolutely is. Although I mean we saw
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: what the Eagles did with regard to Carson Wentz and
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the cap money that they you know, that dead cap
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: money that they had to spend and pay to get
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: rid of him. I don't know there is a precedent
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: for it. Let's see if they actually do it. Second
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: part of this question here, you're going to be ticked
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: off if this player is actually cut from the team.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Who's that player?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: So it's the word cutting implying that they're not going
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: to be added right to the practice squad, or the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: word cutting that yeah, but they'll be on the practice squad.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Where do you want me to go with this? Because
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I have a couple.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Of thoughts because my thought process was they are cut
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and even not even on the practice squad.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, Johnny's new favorite player is Nick Gates and it's
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: because he looks like an absolute psychopath, wearing no gloves,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: no tape, no elbow pads, no nothing. And I think
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: that he's kind of that old school throwback player where
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: he's gonna go and he's gonna knock somebody's block off,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and there's never too much of that on an NFL
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: football team. And I think about a guy like, you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Brett Toth, who I can't believe is still even on
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: a roster. Yeah, you know, I don't consider Brett Toath
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: very good. I would like to see Nick Gates take
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: that spot where he can then cross train at guard
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and center, kind of like Toath is doing, but a
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: little more aggressively. But in my mind, like I look
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: at a guy like Trevor Keegan, Trevor Keegan, in my opinion,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: looks good enough to start right this second. Now, I
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: don't know who you're replacing with because the right guard
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: position hasn't been as clear cut as I think it
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: should have been, because you know, they were like, oh,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Tyler Semole, he's been hurt. Mkay. Beckton's size is huge.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I want to see him train more at right tackle.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I would love to see Keegan getting some first team
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: reps and seeing he looks phenomenal.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he absolutely has. And that's the one interesting part,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: you know, as we're as we're closing out our conversation,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: here is the offensive line depth heading into this season.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Ship while it is different in some ways this season,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: more like we don't have certain players that have been
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: around for quite some time. The Jeff us goals.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: And Kelse I miss Kelsey already.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Exactly, Jason Kelsey not being there. It's so bizarre. But
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the fact that there is talent behind some of these starters,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: it gives me hope that we're not gonna have to
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: plug and play and just hope and pray and cross
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: our fingers if Lane Johnson goes out or if something
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: happens with Landon Dickerson. So I am very happy with
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the depth. And again it comes down to Stoutland University. Yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Jeff Stotlin has been able to do in terms of
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: developing even the depth of this offensive line.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I know that they don't put in
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: assistant coaches and position coaches into the NFL Hall of Fame,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: but if they did, Jeff Stoutland would be it should
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: be the Stoutland wing of assistant coaches in Ohio because
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: watching what he has done with guys like Jordan Mylata,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: watching what he has done with making Cam Jurgens and Landon,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Dickerson and Lange. I mean, if there is anybody that
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: can turn former first round pick Mackay Beckton into the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: fearsome monstrosity that he was projected, he's huge. Yes, yes,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: it is Jeff Stalin. And then I look, I try
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: to mention it at least once a week, just out
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: of sheer sadness. But then I think about guys like
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: you know, Jamo Brown who couldn't hack it. Why because
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: they didn't commit Stotland University. I look at guys like
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Hollypoolevadivtai who went to Stotland University, signed huge deals and
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: then as they walked away any from Stalin University struggle.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: There is no doubt in my mind that the most
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: valuable person in the entire Novacare complex is Jeff Stoutlin.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: What a great way to en this particular podcast and
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: table talk interview show Again, folks, Chip Keagy from the
• 27:16
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• 27:23
  Speaker 1: it was great talking to you. Let's talk more of
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: this coming to Eagle season. I'd love to have you
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: back on the show, my friend.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Always, I always, always, always appreciate you. Man.
• 27:31
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