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Are you getting crafty? · Open Comms Radio | A Star Citizen call-in show

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That intro, that new intro's got to go.
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Yeah, it does. Oh my God.
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Thank you. Thank you, Lord Anubis.
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Look, I I had I hadn't heard that intro before because
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usually I'm in here on the other end and I'm not watching Twitch,
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but I saw it the other day and I'm like, Oh my God, no, that
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that I don't know what. Thank you.
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Thank you. Does not fit the theme of
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anything. That's so good.
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Welcome back or welcome for the first time to open Comms radio,
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the number one call in show based around Star Citizen that
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airs on Wednesday nights at 9:00 PM Eastern Time.
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I'm your host this evening Duke Lato the second filling in for
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our usual host Jar Jar Jabroni and tonight I also have with me
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on my Co host cosmic hobo. How are?
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You folks, as you might hear a little under the weather.
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So my buddy Duke will be doing most of the talking this
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evening, but I'm I'm here all. Right.
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That's yeah, really, really inconsiderate of Hobo to choose
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tonight to start dying and to lose his voice after Jar Jar put
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all this trust in US, you know, to cover your show while he's
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away. Well, oops, you can't.
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Can't control random ass viruses that just decides to invade your
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body. That's true.
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You can't if I learned anything from World War Z.
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No, actually, no. I think you learned from that
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movie that you can, right? As long as you're sick enough
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with something else then the virus won't catch.
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You much preferred the book like I I know that's that is not a
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popular like that's not an unusual opinion and by any
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means, but the book was. The book was pretty cool.
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It was cool. Well, we're going to do our
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best. You know, Jar Jar's not here, so
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he left us in charge. And while Jar Jar is away, the
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children will play. So we're going to try to stay on
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track here tonight, try not to mess it up too bad, but no
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promises. Basically, we're going to be
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relying on our guests to kind of keep us on track probably more
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than than we will ourselves. Let's see.
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So tonight we have a question, and the question for tonight is
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what was our question tonight? Do you remember Hobo?
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Are you getting crafty in the verse?
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Are you getting crafty? Well, I would ask you hobo, but
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I don't I don't want to torture you.
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So I think we'll probably just start off we'll probably bring
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up our first guest here. If you've never heard the show
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before or this is your first time tuning in, feel free to
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join us, call in, share your thoughts, opinions.
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You know, we, we have a question of the day, which we try to keep
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on track with, but we will stray a little bit here and there too.
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And that's, that's OK. That's, that's how we roll.
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So we'll bring you up one at a time.
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We're going to start tonight. He's been on the show a couple
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times before now. I think we're going to bring up
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Pluto. Pluto, come on up here.
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Hello, Hello. Welcome.
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Pluto, how you doing tonight? I'm doing all right.
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Excellent. All right.
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Our question for this evening are you going to get crafty?
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I would like to get crafty. But specifically in Star
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Citizen, by the way, I'm not. Expand on that a little bit.
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Yeah, yes, yeah. What I what I'd like I I doubt
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the system is going to allow this, but I would love the
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ability to create like the most garbage weapons that you could
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conceive of out of the machine and then leave them for people
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to find or loot out of my backpack.
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I mean, positively diabolical. Yeah.
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I mean, I think that's possible, right?
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Because you could just craft it from very low quality materials
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and then leave like 200 of them in your backpack so that someone
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has to go through each one looking for that diamond in the
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rough. Well, no, that that'd.
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Be too obvious. The key is to to leave 1 weapon
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in your backpack that they're guaranteed to take, and then
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when they use it, it explodes in their hand.
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OK, wonderful. I imagine that.
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I like the idea. That might be possible with some
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of the wear and tear ones that's added as well, right?
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I mean if they depending on how universal the system is, you may
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we may very well be able to make a pistol out of pressurized ice.
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Yeah, that'll be interesting. OK, so as far as your day-to-day
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crafting in the verse, you picture yourself focusing your
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time on making others miserable. Indeed, yes.
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OK, OK. Respectable, I suppose.
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Yeah, you know, man's got to got to have a coat, so that's good.
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Got to do some things with all of the misfired products the
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machine's going to make. Is there any aspect to the
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crafting that you don't see yourself engaging in?
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We're all, we're on it, we're all apparently we're all going
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to have to engage it because the store weapons are just garbage
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for reasons unknown. It's a pretty typical balancing
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thing to do is to make the stuff you can buy at the store or loot
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off of NPCS. Like even even in the tech
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preview that I was in, because I'm Bucati, there were pistols
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that the NPCS dropped and they're already at 60% and
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durability, so they're going that route for that.
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That seems pretty reasonable for just like pirates and NPCS and
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stuff. Yeah, they were.
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Just random NPCS as well. Buying a brand new weapon from
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the store and it just outright is garbage.
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I can see, you know you craft one and it's better, but why
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does the one from the store have to be considered bad?
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Well, obviously I think the the out of law reason is so that
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people craft right. But what?
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What could be an in law reason? Gun control.
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Control. Well, we can't have that 'cause
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we have the militia mobilization initiative.
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Yeah, but we get the surplus. Like we don't, we don't get the
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good stuff, we get the surplus. I'll see.
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One thing I can think of, the war effort, they get all the
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good guns, we get all the stuff, the machine made by accident
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and. Then we get the leftovers.
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Oh, hey Duke, you were asking about the the footage that
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Broccoli made. It's up right now.
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Nice. See now this so this is footage
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from a an Idris battle that some of our organics were involved in
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and some boarding and fighting on the Idris and stuff.
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So this would be one of those times maybe where having crafted
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weapons would be pivotal, right? If you have something that fires
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more bullets per second than somebody else's, you're going to
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want to have that with you to go boarding I.
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Gotta use crafted tools in this case because we need to fix the
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the Idris and it was a mess and anything to.
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Make it go fast. Do you think we'll be able to
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craft bigger magazines? I'd love to throw a drum mag on
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AP8S. E Interesting we.
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We couldn't craft ammo in the tech preview like it.
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Was. Now that seems like something we
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should be able to craft. Yeah, that would be.
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Yeah, I was going to ask you, Pluto, like, what sort of things
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do you think that you would actually bother crafting in
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bulk? And then that question was just
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answered. I mean, the one thing that I
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think everyone would bother doing is ammo.
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Solid gold FS nuns. Wow.
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OK. It's a choice.
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I mean the the 9 tails would love them true.
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I think 3 would love 1. Do we think we'll see more
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people setting up impromptu shops of their own once we get
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crafting? Certainly could, but not not if
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everybody has their own crafter. And the ability to get material
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true the ability. Because they have the time or
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the desire. This is true you.
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Pay to skip, which is what the entire game is teetering on.
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The differentiating factors are really the blueprints, because
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everything else, yeah, you can make better weapons that you
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could sell, but still can the other guy.
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But if he doesn't have that blueprint of that specific
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weapon, that's that's something quote UN quote rare enough that
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might necessitate you to go out and buy it.
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From the pledge store. Did they talk at all about
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blueprints being something that we could trade?
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I'm sure you probably can't trade a pledge one, but ones you
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earn in game I think those are supposed to be tradable.
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Yeah, it's when you pick it up, it's tied to yourself, to your
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person. But I believe the way they said
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it, because they they love their physicalization, you could then
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physicalize the blueprint you want to trade, but then you lose
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access to it, I think is the route they're going with that.
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And that would be the thing you would trade away.
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Interesting, I will think. Speaking of people with lots of
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money, we got a blue blood who's listening in right now.
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Let's let's call them up. We got a this gentleman that's
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been on plenty of science before, Lord Anubis.
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OK. First of all.
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I have no money. Sorry but you're but you're a
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blue blood. Yes, but that's due to a lack of
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oxygen and a leaky heart valve. Oh, all right, so.
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So how will you get crafty? How will I sorry one second
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come? To the club, no.
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Problem. No problem.
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Cough up a lung or we're all doing it nowadays, apparently.
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No, I literally had just taken a drink of some water and that
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fucked me up. Sorry about that.
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How will I get crafty? Well, I will reference the
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greatest MMO of all time. That is.
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Three CU Star Wars Galaxies, and from what I've seen of their
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previews, they want to go along those routes.
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So, you know, I will grind the shit out of making various
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things in order to build up my skills.
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So my results when I do craft things are higher than others.
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I will require higher quality materials and people will gather
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them for me and I will pay them for those higher quality
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materials. And then they will go, oh, but I
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want your really cool weapons that you make and you know,
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like, OK, well, you know, pay me this or bring me these materials
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I'm making that. It creates a real economy.
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So weapons crafting or, or, or components crafting, you're
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going to have to figure out what you're going to do ahead of time
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because you're probably going to have to specialize in in that in
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order to be able to get better results, to produce better
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equipment than other people. That's the driving force of the
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crafting. If they make it all equal that
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you can Max out everything so easy that anybody can do it,
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it's going to ruin crafting. But from what I understand
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that's that's not the case. We're going to have to level
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things up so. You're going to have crafting
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skills in different category. Yeah, yeah.
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You don't want a weapon Smith that can also do all the, you
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know, the vehicle shit or the vehicle weapons.
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Like you'd have to specialize. That's it's the only way to
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create a player economy that you can have people who stand out,
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you know, like, oh, go to this guy.
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He makes the best, the best ship weapons.
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You know, he's been just grinding away for years and now
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he has like, the greatest ones you could ever buy.
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He's expensive as hell, though, you know, if you want that.
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But you know, there is people who are cheaper who also make
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good stuff too. You have to have that kind of
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like gradient in quality and it has to matter.
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That's the other thing. They have to be relevant to your
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stats. So if you're running around and
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you're using Shields that are supposed to be the best and
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you're just getting, you know, stomped by, you know, Pve, then
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there really isn't any point to it.
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So hopefully sick and take care of that part and stop being so
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fair with everything because you really do have to have skills,
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you know, and it's not just twitch skills.
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It's also about, you know, the the components you choose and,
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and, and the time and effort you put into it.
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Because if it's just going to be what it is right now, it's not
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going to work. Well, I think I, I don't know, I
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think Chris might have something to say about that.
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I mean, he's showing that he, he definitely wants it to be a true
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skill based world, right? He doesn't want everything to be
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based on well, I'm a level 300, so I'm going to be a level 50.
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No, but if I put 10,000 hours into learning a craft, which,
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you know, in my real life, I, I do, you know, I'm starting to do
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more engineering projects for the company that I'm working
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with. But you know, my, my main job is
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to put things together and advise on how to, you know, work
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on scaling that up for full production, things like that.
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So if I put 5000 hours into that, then I would think that I
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would have learned how to make a better project than someone who
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just started and that carries over into the game.
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Well, you'd think as you say you'd, you'd think that would be
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the case. Sometimes it's not though,
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right? And some new guy can show up and
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he's just got the skills. Yeah, usually that comes from
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somewhere, though. They don't just have the skills,
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they learned it somehow. Myself, I learned everything at
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home, you know, spent five years, you know, just like
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honing all the little crafts that I have.
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So when I show up at the job, you know, I know a bunch of
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things already, but the, the new person who shows up and they're
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and they're amazing. They didn't just, they didn't
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just like show up and they're amazing.
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They spent years becoming amazing.
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But I think the issue with, you know, the, the skill based
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system that you talked about is it locks everyone into the same
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system for learning those skills, right?
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So it it deletes any chance of someone coming along who's just
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more capable. Well, I mean, we are talking
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about avatars in a game, so you know, that that that that that
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grinding would reflect stimulated real world experience
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in how to craft things. Because I could show anybody how
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to paint a panel, but they're not going to necessarily
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understand the fundamentals of how that paint gets applied.
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And, and you know, and, and temperature and, and, and, and
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moisture and things like that that come into, you know,
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applying the paint is the paint chemistry, correct?
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Things like that. So in, in the game, things like
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that would be translated as grinding, you know, because you
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do get a feel for it. It's not just do this and it
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does it. There's, there's a lot that goes
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into everything you do. And part of it becoming a part
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of your experience is getting that mind body connection in in
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your skills and that that's experience.
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So grinding would translate into that as far as better results
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and stats. Speaking of experience, we have
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another caller with loads and loads of of experience.
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Before you bring up our next caller, let me do one of our two
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ad reads. VIX when you're 6 top of VIX.
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Please don't rhyme our name with anything else.
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What? All right, robot.
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What? Ad was that.
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That was that was for VIX. Where is VIX?
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What is VIX? Where is it?
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I imagine it's sitting on Hobo's counter right now.
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Yeah, I've got, I've got a couple bags of them.
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I've got it in my hair. I've got another commercial that
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was sent over to us. Oh, all right, save it, save it.
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We still got a lot more. Show to go.
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We got time, We got time. We can do a 15 minute commercial
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break. Don't we have another caller?
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Lots of experience. You know them, you love them.
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Hopefully. Wicket.
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Come on up buddy. Citizens.
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Long time listener, forced occasional caller.
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Forced. No, I'm not forced.
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I jump in the clown car willingly.
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That intro, that new intro's got to go.
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Yeah, it does. Oh my God.
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Thank you. Thank you, Lord Anubis.
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Look, I I had I hadn't heard that intro before because
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usually I'm in here on the other end and I'm not watching Twitch,
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but I saw it the other day and I'm like, Oh my God, no, that
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that I don't know what. Thank you.
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Thank you. Does not fit the theme of
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anything. That's so good.
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So wicked. Are you getting crafty in the
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verse? Well, not yet.
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I'm not an EVO, but I've I've consumed a lot of content of
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folks that are in EVO and have tested the systems.
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Of course, I've listened to some of what you guys have said and
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overall I'd love to get crafty and long and short of it is I
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think it's a good first step from what I've heard so far.
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But along with the way they're going to do crafting in the
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future and how quality works, I think it's a misstep.
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And hear me out. So right now, you know, they're
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going to the, the, the like you're going to have to get
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certain components to craft like, you know, you need
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aluminum, you need, you might need iron, you might need
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plastic, what whatever the case may be, whatever the ingredients
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are, and depending on where you harvest those ingredients,
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there's going to be a quality attached with it.
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And it seems like the quality is tied to the perceived danger of
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the system. In other words, Stanton
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supposedly is the safest area. So anything you harvest there.
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The quality isn't going to be as high as, for example, if you go
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to Pyro, where Pyro's a unlawful system and the, the harvest,
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those harvestables there are going to have a higher quality.
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And if you use a higher quality component in a recipe, a
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schematic or blueprint, whatever they're calling it, then you're
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going to get a better result. So in other words, if you craft
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a, a, a weapon, if you use low quality components and you craft
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it and you get a good roll, or I don't know even know how that
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part of it works. Let's say, if you just use the
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lowest quality stuff, it's just going to make the same kind of
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weapon that maybe you get in the store.
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I don't know the exact particulars, but let's say for
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say, but then if you go to Pyro and harvest there and you get a
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higher quality component resources to craft with, then
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like let's say instead of your rounds per minute out of your
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gun being 10, now there may be 20 double just hypothetical.
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We don't really care about the numbers the the the whole idea
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of it, which that's fine in and of itself.
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But for example, aluminum, let's say one of the recipe resources
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that you have to harvest is aluminum.
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The thing that I find kind of dumb is aluminum.
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Is aluminum all right? Whether you harvested on Earth
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or in Stanton or in Pyro or Nyx, why you?
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Harvested in Great Britain though, because then it's
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aluminium. Right.
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That's right. Yeah, you're wrong.
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Boom. But.
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The the the atomic nature of the component doesn't change.
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There's no such thing as high quality aluminum.
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You know, that's what refining is for.
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You know, if you harvest something, if you harvest raw
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ore, right when you go to harvest that raw ore, there may
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be more impurities in it. So when that you when you go to
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refine it, you should get less raw ore out of it because it's
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not as pure. But if you find a higher quality
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ore, then it should refine to more aluminum.
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In other words, if you have low. Quality.
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Aluminum Ore, you harvest it, you you refine it and then you
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know, you may get like 1 scooey of, of aluminum out of it.
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But let's say you go to pyro and you find a more pure form of
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that ore and you refine it. Then you should maybe get A2
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scooey result or whatever. I'm just using rough rough.
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Numbers they. Don't have to be exact, but you
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get the point. Yeah.
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And then the refining should be what gives you the quality.
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Yes. Well, where it's refined like,
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you know, right now, certain certain refineries have bonuses.
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They've had that forever. You might have a better result,
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but that also that had to do it at the time when you harvested a
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mineral. And I know we're talking about
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harvesting now, but this hall has a point when it comes to
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crafting. When you harvested the materials
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and you refined them, you know, every ore that you were, every
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asteroid or every Rock You mind, whether it's planetary or out in
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space, had a mixture of elements.
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And when you refined it, you would get a, you know, depending
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on where you refined, you get a higher or lower amount out.
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So that's fine. But now that we're going to go
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to a single, single, single ore like you, if you go to mine
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something, it only has aluminum and the inert.
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So that's fine. But then the refining process,
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she would dictate what, how good or how much of it you get
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because aluminum is aluminum or gold is gold.
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I think where the quality come should come in is the recipe
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itself, the blueprint. You know, in other games, you
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get it. You start off with a basic, a
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basic blueprint and then you research that blueprint.
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And by researching the blueprint, you know, and it's
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research is just a process that takes time, for instance, in
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some other games. And but as you do more research
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on the, on the blueprint, it becomes better, better.
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And so how do you make money off that?
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Well, let's say you could copy the blueprint and like let's say
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Duke has a has a blueprint for a pistol and I have the same
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blueprint for the pistol, but mine has three levels of
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research in it. So the quality of it is going to
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be two or three 100% better than his just for instance, rough
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numbers. So I could make a cot.
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Let's say there's a way to make a copy of that.
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Now my copy would sell for more than his plain Jane copy.
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And that's how you can then make money when the crafting game
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without even making the item. And now let's say if that's a
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rare resource or it's a limited use blueprint or recipe, you can
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only make it so many times. And then the the the the rather
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the schematic degrades to where you can't use it anymore.
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It's trash. You have to get a new a new
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copy. That's the other question I had
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in the in the whole blueprint thing.
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Or is do they call them blueprints or recipes?
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What do they call them in in store citizen?
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They've been calling them blueprints.
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OK, so the, the blueprints, I know, I think an evil coddy,
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they gave you some blueprints to to play around with and test,
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right? And then there was another one
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that you could don't like you could get from doing a a like a
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like a evil coddy mission. And then that the reward was a
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blueprint. They tied it to one of the
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Ghillie missions. Right.
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So you did the mission and then you got that, you got that
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blueprint. Now, I don't know right now and
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Eva caught it is that you can just reuse that same blueprint
26:16
over and over and over and over again, right?
26:19
Correct. And how does it work?
26:22
Do you just get it in your inventory and you have to have
26:24
it in your inventory to use it at that, at that, at that
26:28
crafting station? Or do you have to plug it into
26:30
the crafting station? It's tied to you, the character.
26:34
So once you get it in your inventory, it's just part of
26:37
you. It's like knowledge per SE.
26:41
Not even really in your inventory it's.
26:47
It's not a physical thing. So do you consume it?
26:50
Basically you learned I never did the.
26:53
Missions to get the to get the ones.
26:57
I only had the starting ones and Rob and I started in Checkmate
27:03
SO and the Gilly missions were over in Hurston and I believe
27:08
ship weapons were broken. Gotcha.
27:12
So the the starting blueprints you got, the starting blueprints
27:16
you got, they were just accessible when you interacted
27:20
with the crafting machine, right?
27:21
Yeah. Yeah, OK.
27:23
Yeah. So that in itself is a problem
27:26
because especially since the way they want to physicalize
27:30
everything, that should blueprint should be a physically
27:33
physicalized thing. I should be able to kill you and
27:37
loot you and take your your physicalized blueprint.
27:42
That would be better. That would be more interactive
27:44
gameplay, especially for the how they're physicalizing
27:49
everything. Why not that?
27:52
Then those blueprints themselves have a value.
27:56
The other thing about the blueprints, I wish.
27:58
I know this is early days and this is just the evil coddy, the
28:01
initial here. Here's how blueprints are going
28:03
to work. But as they develop it, I'm
28:06
hoping that they will become physicalized.
28:08
Not only that, I hope not only do they are they becoming a
28:12
mission reward, but maybe basic ones you could buy like on the
28:17
market, just like it at a shop. OK, because let's say you buy a
28:22
gun like a CUDA gun, and hopefully this would really make
28:28
crafting very, very worthwhile. Let's say over time there's wear
28:32
and tear on that CUDA handgun and the only way to.
28:35
Repair you can either throw it again.
28:38
What? What did you?
28:39
Wear and tear. No, no wear.
28:43
Is it a CUDA? I thought it was a coda.
28:47
Coda, coda, coda. OK, sorry, do you keep your CUDA
28:50
in your woof? No, he he his weapon is a 1971
28:57
Plymouth Barracuda with the Shaker hood and a Keith Black
28:59
engine. Anyway, I'm crazy but I just say
29:03
they are. Planning on having the
29:05
blueprints physicalized as well. OK, well that's a good no they
29:10
and hopefully then also a way crafting will be used is to
29:15
repair wear and tear on items. You know, like let's say you had
29:20
that Coda 50 and let's say you've, you know, you've, let's
29:25
say after shooting it 100 times, it starts exhibiting a lot of
29:30
wear and tear, maybe misfires, or maybe it doesn't shoot at
29:33
all, or maybe it just doesn't work.
29:36
You know, you pull it out and you click nothing.
29:38
The only way to you can either throw it away, buy a new one,
29:41
craft a new one, or maybe throw it in your crafting box and
29:44
repair it or maybe even upgrade it.
29:49
You know better. I never thought.
29:53
I'd tell you this. Wicket.
29:54
But I agree with you. I agree with you completely.
29:59
Thank you. The other thing is, is that the
30:01
whole the whole crafting system may be being based on on since
30:07
we don't have have an XP system where you don't with as you
30:12
level up, we're not leveling up. So you know, everything is
30:15
knowledge place. You're you're a good pilot
30:17
because you've been piloting a long time.
30:19
You've put the time in to learn how to fly your ship very well.
30:23
So there's no real way to do that with crafting.
30:26
So that's why the whole research and making making stuff better,
30:31
making recipes or or blueprints better.
30:34
Then it's cool that the subway, the blueprints through as a
30:41
reward for completing missions. It would also be super awesome
30:46
if when you go to some of the all these different
30:49
installations we have all over the verse bunkers, you have, you
30:56
have the the distribution centers, the asteroid bases, you
31:01
know, the the ex smuggler missions.
31:04
If they can retrofit retrofit crafting stations into those
31:11
were the MPCS might be used. You know, crafting themselves.
31:14
Because now that they brought crafting to the verse, it would
31:17
make sense that the MPCS are also crafting.
31:20
Absolutely. What if you stumble upon one of
31:23
those and you find like a rare recipe or you loot some some MPC
31:29
and then you loot a rare recipe. And maybe it's it's it's limited
31:35
use. You know, there's so many in
31:38
ways that I hope they think about doing after they put like
31:42
the tier 0 or Tier 1 implementation that they now
31:46
have an evil coddy. These are just some hope would
31:52
eventually come to crafting. Having not been able to do it
31:54
myself yet, I think it's a really good idea.
31:58
I think it, it opens up so many more gameplay avenues and so
32:02
much, so many things to resource gathering, crafting, economy.
32:11
All the pieces you know are starting to come together to
32:14
make this bigger, better hole and hopefully they don't slip up
32:18
and mess up. Now with these NPC crafters that
32:24
you're talking about in the bunkers, do you do you think?
32:28
I mean, so, so one of the things with all this crafting is, is
32:32
the economy, which requires player to player, you know,
32:35
transactions if you're running to, you know, a, a bunkers
32:43
crafting station, because that's the best station to use or
32:46
whatever. I, I, I think that that kind of
32:49
removes the economy from it all together at that point.
32:53
Well, there could be the player economy as well, You know, if
32:56
you're going there, it's just like the CZS we have now, right?
33:00
It's not really part of the economy, but it becomes part of
33:03
it because that's just where you get these rare items from.
33:07
So it could be the same thing. You people who are really into
33:10
FPS, that's their way of joining the economy, right?
33:14
They go into these bunkers, they fight the bad guys, they get the
33:19
higher level blueprints and then they sell them because they
33:23
don't want to put their time into manufacturing, but they do
33:26
like shooting stuff. But the manufacturing itself is,
33:31
is the part where it's like, OK, so if you're having an NPC do
33:34
that for you, you know, because it's a high quality blueprint,
33:38
but the NBC is going to manufacture it for you.
33:41
I mean, I think that removes the IT removes that player component
33:44
again. I mean, I think if a, if a
33:46
player who has now we do have things like reputation, which
33:49
open up higher level missions. So, you know, if you work up
33:55
your crafting reputation, then you get higher level abilities
34:01
to unlock off of a off of blueprint.
34:04
You know, so you're going to want to find someone with a, you
34:07
know, you know, just like someone can call up a VHRT for
34:11
you, you know, they can call up that extra little feature that
34:14
you would get from a higher crafted weapon.
34:18
I do like the idea of the blueprints being limited to like
34:22
Wicket was saying, and that's not, you know, somebody was
34:26
arguing this with me before they were like, well, it's it's
34:28
stupid. Why would a blueprint break?
34:31
And it's not the blueprint breaks, it's that it's
34:33
contracted, right? Like you're only allowed so many
34:36
uses on that blueprints contract before it runs out.
34:42
Well, in, in in like EVE Online, right?
34:46
They have what are called old blueprint originals and
34:50
blueprint copies now. Blueprint originals were handed
34:54
out probably 15 years ago. OK, I don't even think you can
34:58
find blueprint originals in the game anymore.
35:00
Everything. All blueprints you find now are
35:02
copies of those originals and all those originals.
35:07
Somebody found them at the time, or purchased them or uncovered
35:10
them or got them part of a as a reward, or looted them from
35:14
killing an MPC, and they found these quote UN quote original
35:18
blueprints. Now an original blueprint is
35:22
usable forever. Obviously it's not a copy.
35:25
What made limited use was the copying system, because you
35:29
could make a blueprint, but the blueprint would only work for so
35:34
many uses. And then after that, after those
35:37
so many uses, the blueprint would decay.
35:41
So it wouldn't work in the quote UN quote crafting machine
35:44
anymore. And that's the way they got they
35:47
they got around that to make originals and copies of
35:50
originals valuable. Now, of course, before you made
35:53
a copy, you did that the whole researching arc of the game
35:57
where you put in research, research into a, which was just
36:01
another version of crafting, but it was only for the blueprint.
36:05
And then you, you could, you could research efficiency, you
36:09
could research material. The crafting took less time and
36:18
you know, you could do a mix of those.
36:20
I think you could do a mix of those things.
36:22
So most people they did the, the material efficiency because less
36:27
goo to put into the into the mushkirt component.
36:31
Then the other thing like the other thing I have not seen yet
36:34
in in Star Citizen for crafting is in most games nowadays the
36:40
the crafting is multi tiered. So for example, if you want to
36:44
make a gun, you're going to have to craft a receiver, then you're
36:48
going to have to craft a barrel, you're going to have to craft a
36:52
handgun, a handle, a trigger, whatever.
36:56
You know, the the different components.
36:57
Like let's say there's 3 or 4 components for a handgun, maybe
37:00
5 components for a primary weapon, A2 handed weapon.
37:08
And let's say if. If that's the case, then you
37:12
should have to be able to, you should have to craft those sub
37:14
components and then take those sub components and assemble them
37:18
into a hole. That would be interesting.
37:22
Does does it work? Is that working now?
37:25
The way that the crafting works as it currently stands is yes, a
37:31
gun has multiple components, pistol has three components, a
37:36
rifle and larger has like 4, and you put in the resources to
37:42
those components and then it makes the end result.
37:46
So that would. It's all a one step process,
37:49
right? It it's clearly designed to be
37:54
able to do it for multiple steps for larger projects.
37:59
Like if you only have at the time aluminum, you can put in
38:03
the aluminum or copper or whatever so you can come back
38:08
later if you need to go get the other parts.
38:11
But you can at this time it is still just input.
38:15
Output because you can't have like an inventory full of
38:18
completed gun barrels. Correct.
38:21
Not at this, not the way that it's set up currently.
38:26
I don't know if they plan on changing that or if it's this is
38:29
the plan. I can't wait to have 500 trigger
38:33
springs and 200 Cotter pins. Well, it would be interesting if
38:38
you can do that and so that you can have different quality
38:42
levels, however they decide to do that, right.
38:44
So you could be the guy that has, oh, you, you know, you want
38:47
the best trigger. You, you got to go to Pluto.
38:49
He's got the best triggers and you could just specialize in
38:53
that. But at the time, right now,
38:55
that's all at one step. So it's like you you want a
39:00
better trigger, you have to put your resources towards the
39:04
trigger in that depth. In in this in this.
39:10
Pump out the better the gun with the better trigger.
39:14
Another another way of doing the quality thing right.
39:18
Let's say instead of making, you know, high quality aluminum, low
39:22
quality aluminum, you could just say that certain like right in
39:28
in the in in in the evil coddy. Now certain oars can only be
39:35
mined on certain moons and then certain systems per SE, right?
39:42
So in other. Words if you need corundum.
39:45
If you need corundum right, you have to go to the moon or planet
39:51
where corundum is. And let's say it's an only.
39:55
It's only in pyro on one planet or moon.
39:59
Yeah. And that that's one of the big
40:00
changes to mining that they did. OK, so that's an EVO right now.
40:06
Well, evo's not up right now, but yes.
40:10
So in, in, in the, in the latest test, the systems, that's how it
40:15
is. So in, in, in, instead of having
40:20
high quality metals and low quality metals, they should just
40:25
give you a a if you know, instead of saying aluminum for
40:29
this part, they should say any metal, any jam, any this or any
40:36
that. And then, you know, for
40:38
instance, iron could be substituted by steel, could be
40:44
substituted by aluminum, could be substituted by titanium.
40:49
And each of those are, you know, 1 is it's quality, it's quality
40:56
101 is quality 501. Another one could be quality
40:59
800. If you go decide to go with
41:01
titanium, because titanium is of course the of all those metals,
41:05
it's the superior metal, but it's usually the most expensive
41:08
metal. Then you just need to make sure
41:09
that titanium is hard as fuck to get.
41:14
I like all that, but we have a question in chat.
41:18
It's from Skeeter and actually would help provide some context
41:21
to what has been said so far from Cedar.
41:26
Wait, what are they doing to mining adding quality?
41:30
I'll start with that first question.
41:32
So they like completely redid the resource distribution from
41:38
mining in the tech preview. It is still a work in progress
41:43
as they said, but the short of it is that materials will be
41:49
specifically to certain areas now.
41:52
And when you find those materials, it'll be just that
41:58
material. So if you're looking for copper,
42:01
you go to, I don't know, I'm moving around Hurston, we'll say
42:05
Damar. Let's say you go to Damar and
42:07
Damar has copper. So you go to Damar, it has
42:10
copper, you're looking for copper.
42:12
You'll find that sort of thing. And as far as quality goes, we
42:20
didn't really see that implemented in the tech preview.
42:23
We only saw sort of the placeholders for it and we only
42:25
really saw the placeholders for durability as well.
42:29
So we only sort of have an idea of what they want to do with
42:33
that. But yeah, well, we'll see
42:38
probably in a future, I think we're going to see it on the PTU
42:42
within the next week or two. Like, I think it's going to come
42:46
pretty soon. Can I answer a question from
42:52
Chad? Yes, go for it.
42:58
I understand you don't mind steel, but you can refine steel.
43:04
So you'll I just use that as a as a as a catch all.
43:08
But you know that that's a very interesting observation, Skeeter
43:13
that what if you take iron and then you're able to refine pure
43:18
iron into steel instead of just iron?
43:22
And I think that's. Horrible which way you're going
43:25
to use it. Bessemer Process.
43:28
It depends. But that is interesting because
43:32
that adds more gameplay. Right now you're bringing
43:34
Refinery into and I because I feel like some of these changes
43:37
take away some of the gameplay from mining.
43:42
Like it's nice that I mean like the coolest thing is that you
43:45
can see the materials within a rock from like 5K out is what
43:49
I'm hearing right now, But there's like there's no because
43:55
you can see what it is. You know what you're looking for
43:58
and then you're just out looking for high quality rock.
44:02
It's also on the star map, so you look like on the star map
44:05
and go this planet has copper or whatever so I know where to go.
44:10
Yeah. I, I don't know, I feel like
44:12
they took away some of the depth by removing like, you know, the
44:14
idea of I'm looking for this material, so I need to look for
44:18
igneous rock because that's going to have the highest chance
44:21
of finding it. I feel like they could have left
44:24
that in but like wicked was. Saying like, we just know that
44:28
copper is somewhere on the planet and you want to do some.
44:32
Ground but like 1. Of the one of the one side of
44:38
the coin is finally exploration. You send a ship out there and
44:44
then you're like, oh, this world has copper on it.
44:47
The other side of the world, the other side of the coin is we're
44:50
in UEE territory and everything's been charted.
44:55
For Stanton, yeah. For Pyro, I think there's room
44:58
for for having question marks. Same goes for Nick's apparent.
45:05
Didn't the Lord says if you're a realist, the Lord Pyro is
45:07
supposed to be tapped out? Wow.
45:10
Yeah. And then if you go with realism,
45:14
you probably anything worth mining has probably been mined
45:17
and every one of these systems, yeah.
45:20
Yeah, right. Like.
45:24
Play, play. You could do a, a scanning, so
45:27
you could come up with a scanning system where you scan,
45:31
I don't know if you, if it would be like a whole moon or a
45:33
hemisphere or quarter of a hemisphere.
45:36
And you got a heat map. And then the heat map indicated,
45:39
you know, a, a certain type of deposit.
45:41
And, and then as you got closer, it becomes more granular.
45:46
And then that helps you determine, OK, I'm going to
45:48
scout in this area because this looks like the, the, the, the
45:51
best area for this ore I'm looking for.
45:54
But I, I still don't think that the ore should have quality.
45:57
I think the quality should be should come from the mining
46:01
refinement, not like the ore itself.
46:04
It it should have a purity so that you know how concentrated
46:08
it is, but it shouldn't have. That that could be a thing.
46:11
That could be a thing less. Less inert like it like if they
46:15
want to do that, if they want to tie more purity into like
46:22
copper's more pure in pyro than it is in Stanton.
46:25
It's kind of hokey, but I guess that could.
46:28
Work so. I mean.
46:30
He did kind of hint at that a little bit with just so
46:35
everything in the tech preview, Chris was like like it was stand
46:39
in, it was it was all placeholder.
46:43
And one of the ways they sort of hinted at that was at the time
46:47
everything now was one for you get one resource and you get 1
46:51
inert for mining from something. So all they'd need to do in that
46:58
instance would be changing the slider for quality as far as the
47:04
way you're describing it as more of a purity thing, and then
47:09
maybe doing more of the actual quality within the refinement
47:15
process. We don't know exactly at how
47:18
quality is being implemented, say.
47:20
That. Straight up, they've not been
47:22
entirely clear on how that's going to work, so there's still
47:28
room for that to be the way you've described.
47:34
Well, all everything that I've described is just kind of
47:36
spitballing, brainstorming, hoping you know, based on what
47:41
I've heard, based on information I've seen some videos I've
47:45
watched over the last couple of days where people describe their
47:49
their limited experiences with with crafting and also with
47:52
mining that some people did and posted some videos online.
47:56
Now they didn't show anything. They were just talking about it
47:58
and using stock footage that's already that's been cleared to
48:01
be released. But based on what they were
48:04
talking about, that's where I'm coming up either with these
48:08
questions slash ideas. You know, just to be a extra
48:13
annoying, I want to mention Star Wars Galaxies again.
48:16
It really was the greatest crafting and player economy
48:21
experience and. If it was so great, what
48:24
happened to Anubis? You want to know what happened
48:28
World of Warcraft? We want to get into this rabbit
48:30
hole world. Of Warcraft.
48:32
All right, go back, go back. Finish your thought.
48:37
World of Warcraft was a great game.
48:40
It was a great game. It was a completely different
48:42
type of game, but Sony figured, well, we want to make more
48:46
money, so let's copy that one. And it didn't quite work out
48:50
because the. Way watching MMO is name a
48:52
better combo. Yeah.
48:55
I mean, back in the back in the 90s and into the early 2000s
49:00
when you had game designers, these were people that were like
49:03
true artists. You know, they were passionate
49:07
about what they did. I mean, to the point of
49:09
obsession where they almost turned development into a
49:13
science in order to make the game as fun as possible.
49:15
Because, I mean, look how much littler, you know, fewer
49:18
resources they had and how much harder it was to make a game
49:21
back then. So when they planned out was
49:25
always like an animal. Yeah, and when they planned out
49:29
an MMO, it was more akin to something like D&D or you know,
49:34
like like where where it has these these rules that really
49:37
have long term effects. And that is now the reason I am
49:43
hopeful is because a lot of what I've heard in the citizen cons
49:50
we do and all of the you know, the so whatever videos they do
49:59
with with, I don't know, they have like 15 different, you
50:02
know, series about everything about Star Citizen as far as
50:07
Sig. But everything they've described
50:10
seems to be along those lines of people who genuinely want to
50:15
make something in the vein of that game theory type of, of,
50:23
you know, development, you know, from the 90s and the early
50:28
2000s. So I'm excited about that.
50:31
It's the only thing that's keeping me, you know, hoping,
50:34
you know, and, and, and wanting to play this game for the next
50:36
10 years is the fact that they have said that is specifically
50:40
what they want to do. They want to make it
50:41
complicated. They want to make it fun.
50:43
They want to make a reason why you have to connect with other
50:46
people. OK.
50:49
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If you want to be successful, just copy a 23 year old defunct
51:18
MMO. So recently Open comms had our
51:22
first, I think it was our first, our first poll.
51:28
The question was what do we think about dual wielding for
51:32
Star Citizen? And tied for first place in the
51:37
responses was with 33% of the votes.
51:41
Yes please dual wielding is fun and no it's unrealistic and
51:47
arcady. So as you can see, really
51:51
successful poll, they're clear cut answer from our listeners
51:56
there. You know, I got to say from a
51:58
real, real world perspective, yes, dual wielding is is is
52:04
unwieldy. They really work really well.
52:09
You have to be extremely experienced to do something like
52:12
that. And from a realistic
52:14
perspective, I'm going to call crap on calling it dual wielding
52:19
because we all know the term is dual fisting as coin.
52:21
So thank. You high wicket.
52:26
Yeah, Wicket the the original dual Fister.
52:30
Yeah, both those fists as hard as he.
52:33
Can listen the the whole idea with with with dual wielding,
52:38
dual fisting is it's the fun aspect.
52:42
It's not supposed to be lore accurate or, or or or physically
52:46
accurate. I mean, if, if you want to be
52:48
accurate, you know the, the, the amount of, of force that we
52:55
apply to our ships and to our bodies in these in these
52:59
spaceships, we fly around in half the.
53:01
Time we should. Always all be blacked out true.
53:05
Oh, yeah, Pushing to the edge where you're almost blacking out
53:07
because it's just like, you're just getting those fists and
53:10
it's just like, have you? It's a fun, it's pleasurable
53:13
experience, right? No, no, no, no.
53:15
Think, think about when you go to land at a hangar somewhere
53:18
and and you have to make that lack that little jerky motion to
53:22
because you're about to hit the wall or something.
53:24
That alone would be probably enough to to break your neck in
53:29
in some. We have we have inertial
53:31
dampeners. So do when you get off the ship.
53:36
No, we don't have inertial dampeners.
53:38
Only the elevators have inertial dampeners.
53:41
Oh, they definitely have inertial dampeners, that's true.
53:44
We also had a comment from the Internet which I'd like to
53:46
share. I think some some interesting
53:49
point of view may possibly let's see.
53:54
So vio vio blight or vio blight says I hate to add on to the
54:01
scope creep but one day a bullet resistant shield and a power
54:06
sword would be cool. Maybe for close quarters combat
54:10
boarding or something. I own a legionnaire and I feel
54:14
like my boarding party will get shredded or grenaded as soon as
54:18
my boarding doors open. Hope we get something basically
54:22
space marines or maybe flash bangs when it opens IDK.
54:30
We need you were looking for. Is the one hand tractor band in
54:35
a four CU box to just hold in front?
54:40
Of you what? You need is a breaching Saber.
54:45
No. It's 1000 years in the future.
54:49
These motherfuckers better have invented a damn lightsaber by
54:53
then, right And you and and and and Eva to the damn ship, right?
54:58
And yeah, yeah, Qui gon, you know, the, the, the side of the
55:02
ship, you know, just cut a hole right, right through the right
55:04
through there to open a door. And that's how you breach.
55:08
Well, you die. You die instantly when you
55:11
breach the air seal and it thunks that hunk of metal into
55:15
your chest and you fly away, No. No, no.
55:18
I mean, you, you, you'll kind of crack it open at 1st and it's
55:20
just like, you know. Is is that ship supposed to
55:24
physically breach through through the wall of a ship or is
55:28
it? Does it have like some kind of
55:30
mechanism for that or is it supposed to be just able to dock
55:33
with the ship? Well, they confirmed because
55:35
they said it was going to include hacking, right?
55:39
Yeah, it was going to talk on 2 airlocks, doors and stocking
55:45
ports and. That can't come.
55:47
In at like it just can't come in at a couple 100 miles an hour
55:50
and just Pierce through the that's.
55:53
The the vandal boarding pods do. Yeah, the vandal does.
55:57
The Legionnaire is going to. Happen, but it's going to be any
55:59
fun that's not going to be any fun unless.
56:03
Like a legionnaire. Well, if you think about it, if
56:07
if, if, if you're like in a pressurized ship and something
56:10
like a vandal pod came in or the Liberator was able to do the
56:14
same thing, more or less as soon as that kinetic, that kinetic
56:19
energy hit and exploded a hole through the thing, it would
56:22
either evacuate the air or create a shockwave that
56:27
basically flattened everybody in there.
56:29
So we wouldn't be worrying about getting flash banged or
56:32
anything. I could see everybody getting
56:34
knocked down once you breach once once you breach atmosphere
56:37
and it has a, you know, explosive depression, you know,
56:40
like everybody just hits the floor because they could just
56:42
knock knock off their off their ass.
56:45
But I mean, the, the truth of the matter is, is that if you're
56:47
breaching. And that sudden stop for the the
56:50
occupants of the Liberator. Oh, nothing will happen to them.
56:53
Inertial adapters. Go ahead, Anubis.
56:56
But, but, but I mean, the, the truth of the matter is if we're
56:59
going to be breaching these things, it better be.
57:02
Oh yeah, you know, you want to bust in there and just fucking
57:05
make it. Be Macho Man Randy Savage.
57:09
No, you're a kool-aid man. You're gonna.
57:10
Bust a wall. You know, oh, Kool-aid sounding.
57:14
Like rock Macho man. Maybe make it dramatic where
57:18
they, you know, you could kind of see like the, you know, the
57:22
the battle starting to to melt away and you're like, oh shit,
57:25
they're going to breakthrough. They're going to bust through
57:26
any moment, you know, and you're worried and what are worried and
57:29
all of a sudden, you know, and then then you just like just
57:33
fucking take them out or whatever.
57:35
Or they take you out because you suck, you know, I mean, but
57:37
either way, you know, I mean that dramatic, you know,
57:41
entrance is what it's all about. If they just make it like, oh,
57:44
let me hit the keys on the keypad and just like beep, beep,
57:46
beep, beep, ah. Well, the doors still get open,
57:50
right? And then you're still going to
57:51
walk through it and then fight your way forward.
57:54
Yeah, but I mean, you know, what a Kool-aid man.
57:59
You want a kool-aid man? OK, I'm.
58:01
Bringing that before Genaria. OK, understandable.
58:09
Getting, getting. Back to crafting and, and and
58:11
the new mining changes and stuff.
58:14
Has it been confirmed that it's 4.7 or they're quote UN quote
58:19
trying to bring it in 4.7? Today's update says the the.
58:27
Official word is tentative. They always say that though.
58:31
Yeah, I think that's his confirmation.
58:34
Is that what we're going to get is Yeah, yeah.
58:37
A very low key dev will explain this in the comments to him.
58:41
You know, ever. Another another interesting
58:44
thing I I heard a couple mentioned a few times and some
58:47
videos I watched this week when they were talking about the new
58:54
mining changes, the new crafting implementations and and so
58:59
forth. A couple of folks were talking
59:03
about, well, supposedly they're moving stuff that was developed
59:08
for a Squadron 42 into the PTU, and that's, you know, where
59:13
we're at now. So if that's the case, shouldn't
59:16
all that already be fleshed out? And 40 and 42, if that's
59:19
supposed to be released this year and they're just tweaking
59:22
things, you know it. Seems like I don't think
59:25
Squadron 42. Like anything.
59:28
Anything. Well, I don't think there's
59:31
crafting in Squadron 42. I mean, I don't know.
59:39
At this point it seems like most of the things they're bringing
59:42
from Squadron are more like the Cortex, like the Vulcan, you
59:46
know, like getting some of these things that they've optimized
59:48
for Squadron to work in the PU, which is a very different
59:53
animal. I have no I have no idea if if
59:57
if mining and resource gathering is going to be part of anything
1:00:00
in Squadron 42. I have no idea.
1:00:02
Yeah, I don't think. Anybody could say yes or one way
1:00:05
or the other. I mean, you're in the military
1:00:09
training to fly the FHC presumably.
1:00:12
I don't think gemstone is in there.
1:00:15
The, the, the other thing that is kind of concerning about when
1:00:19
I heard those statements was the whole flight model.
1:00:23
You know, it seems like a, it's, it's, it's constantly in
1:00:26
development. Shouldn't that?
1:00:28
Already be. Fleshed out in Squadron 42 and
1:00:30
kind of fixed and we're working on release.
1:00:33
And they're still in. Theory.
1:00:36
In theory, it's fleshed out for the Fighters class.
1:00:40
The things that you're going to be flying in the game, it's
1:00:43
probably done for them, but for nothing else.
1:00:50
Yeah, I've had the same thought. Well, to me it just seems kind
1:00:54
of concerning because the, the cinematics that we've been
1:00:58
presented of 42, you know, there's always fighters, there's
1:01:04
like medium sized ships or super gigantic ships.
1:01:08
They're all in the same space. So they all have to, you know,
1:01:11
unless everything is super on rails, which will be super
1:01:14
disappointing if that's how that game plays out.
1:01:18
You know, if you have no, if there's no risk to you dying or
1:01:22
being incapacitated and having to restart the mission first,
1:01:25
per SE, if it's a single player game, I'm I'm I'm guessing it's
1:01:29
going to be a cinematic type of quest mission, whatever that you
1:01:38
play through. And you know, some of the stuff
1:01:40
is going to be scripted on kind of on rails.
1:01:43
You have to go move to A to B to continue the story.
1:01:47
But there's going to hopefully part of the quote UN quote game
1:01:50
is you have to fight the aliens, you have to fly the ship, you
1:01:53
have to shoot the gun. You know, it's not just totally
1:01:56
on rails and you're just along for the ride.
1:01:59
So if that's the case, then there should, there has to to be
1:02:03
some subtle that's to be some sort of shooting model, you
1:02:06
know, armor, Shields, all the stuff, unless they're just going
1:02:10
to, you know, phone it in and the the numbers are the numbers.
1:02:14
I don't know how else to put it. It it makes so the selection of
1:02:21
ships is is was hinted at before is vastly different.
1:02:25
Like we're talking at dozen probably ships that will be
1:02:30
liable in Squadron 42 bull fighter part and then really big
1:02:35
ships like that doesn't the really big ships are probably
1:02:38
mostly be on rails. So I mean, that's to be
1:02:42
expected. You're not going to be carrying
1:02:45
out lead actions as a dad role or whatever.
1:02:51
It's the fighters. It's it's World War Two dog
1:02:54
fighting in space. Remember, that's what Chris
1:02:56
wants. And that's easy enough to.
1:03:03
But aren't the the the flyable ships in 42?
1:03:06
Those are also ships that are available in PTU.
1:03:10
Yes, but you don't have to balance them the same way.
1:03:15
They they're a very different balance for when you're fighting
1:03:19
against just in PCs in a closed environment that is a primarily
1:03:27
cinematic experience as we've seen at least from the Squadron
1:03:31
42 demo compared to anywhere any that.
1:03:36
Statement kind of ruins Squadron 42 for me a little bit because
1:03:41
my, my, well, I'll explain it to you.
1:03:46
My vision of the way this this whole universe of, of, of Star
1:03:52
Citizen, Star Citizen and the Star Citizen slash Squadron 42
1:03:57
was going to work is like a lot of games.
1:03:59
They start off with a a main store queue and for the PTU, the
1:04:09
main store request was basically Squadron 42.
1:04:13
You know, this is where you learn to fly.
1:04:15
This is where you learn to use this this is this is besides
1:04:19
being a an awesome game and in a in a in a long form story slash
1:04:25
quest slash mission. However you want to whatever
1:04:28
vernacular you want to use that brings you into the open world
1:04:33
PTU Star Citizen. Once you complete the main game
1:04:38
Squadron 42 10 year adventure in the persistent universe.
1:04:42
Come join us. That kind of thing Well, no,
1:04:46
it's it's more akin to GTA. So you know, you have your your
1:04:50
single player story and then you start playing online because you
1:04:55
know, but you. I I played the full GTAI never I
1:04:59
I didn't play GTA until about two years ago.
1:05:02
OK. And I played the full mission
1:05:05
before I ever went online. Exactly.
1:05:08
Play through the whole story. And then, but by playing through
1:05:11
the whole story, that prepared me to because I knew how to
1:05:15
drive. I knew how to, to, to, to, to,
1:05:18
to shoot weapons. I knew the mechanics of the
1:05:20
game. Yeah, but that's not a required
1:05:23
thing to go online. I mean it's it's not tutorial
1:05:26
for the. No.
1:05:28
Greater game. And the mechanics aren't one for
1:05:31
one. I'm not saying everybody has to.
1:05:33
I don't, I don't think everybody has to share my vision.
1:05:36
I'm I was just describing my vision of what sold Squadron 42
1:05:42
and the persistent uniform. This is this is how I took it
1:05:45
in. This was my my dream, my hope,
1:05:47
my desire. I'm not saying this.
1:05:49
Is literally not. We have to accept it or die.
1:05:52
Let's not let your hopes die now, because we don't.
1:05:55
We're, we're not sure. But more importantly folks, we
1:05:57
we do have one last caller. Oh, I'm.
1:06:00
Coming more towards the show now, but late.
1:06:05
It's OK, He's he made it. He made it.
1:06:08
Let's bring him up right away. Here we got broccoli.
1:06:11
Rob, come on up, broccoli. Broccoli.
1:06:20
You got a little little hand there.
1:06:24
There we go. Do.
1:06:25
You hear me? We hear you.
1:06:28
All right, what's going on? Y'all well are you?
1:06:31
Getting. Crafty in the verse.
1:06:33
Yeah, we're, we're talking about craftiness.
1:06:36
I hope to be, come the end of March, optimistic.
1:06:46
I mean, it's going to happen. What?
1:06:50
Do you see? What do you see yourself doing?
1:06:52
How are you going to engage with crafting?
1:06:56
Short term, just, you know, testing, having fun with it,
1:07:02
maybe getting little little buffs here and there.
1:07:06
As I saw in the the tech preview, you can sort in like
1:07:12
eek out like barely a buff on some things, which will be fun
1:07:16
and make me feel like I have more ownership over that thing.
1:07:19
Because I went out and sourced the materials and made it myself
1:07:25
kind of leaning into that whole ownership thing that I've been
1:07:31
looking for in this game. So everything's not just, you
1:07:33
know, random bit of armor or just a random gun or a random
1:07:40
ship with guns on it can feel more like mine.
1:07:45
So you're more excited about? The this has given me a thought.
1:07:51
I wonder if our materials are weight based and if we'd be able
1:07:56
to craft like a lightweight FFS Nine that doesn't give you a
1:08:00
speed penalty. I don't see weight as a stat
1:08:05
option you could change. That might be something I do
1:08:09
know. I do know there's sort of like
1:08:12
gives and takes with and not currently, but they've talked
1:08:16
about upgrading in a certain direction so that fire rate goes
1:08:20
up but recoil goes up. Also like it's not like a direct
1:08:26
buff, it's sort of changing things for what you are looking
1:08:31
for. We have a question.
1:08:34
Basically, for every increase, there's a decrease or penalty on
1:08:39
another slider basically, which is very, very well.
1:08:44
That's a that's a good design for a lot of different crafting
1:08:48
methodologies in a lot of different games.
1:08:50
You know, you can, you can make it hit harder, but it doesn't
1:08:53
have the range. Or like like Broccoli said, you
1:08:57
can make it fire faster but it's got more recoil so it's less
1:09:01
accurate or. I think I'm ultimately I'm
1:09:05
looking for what I'm always looking for in this game.
1:09:09
The why. Why am I doing it?
1:09:12
I made this thing. I spent the time to find the
1:09:16
materials to do all that. The why is because it's a little
1:09:19
bit better and that might help me out.
1:09:22
Might not, but it might. And the even the idea of that is
1:09:28
enough for me. So you're looking for the
1:09:30
personal refinement of these things rather than the, you
1:09:34
know, going to some like legendary, you know, gunsmith.
1:09:39
I hope to be that guy in some things.
1:09:44
OK. Like I kind of want to be able
1:09:48
to craft a handful of things really well or have like a
1:09:52
handful of really nice blueprints that I can then, you
1:09:56
know, market and go around and sell and, you know, have fun
1:10:01
with that, but also make things for myself.
1:10:04
Yeah, and then people come to you with good shit to make it.
1:10:08
To make that happen, we need two things.
1:10:10
We need some sort of market that we can interact with and we have
1:10:13
secondly, we need to have built in scarcity.
1:10:17
Base Amazon. There's got to be some way to.
1:10:23
Merchant map. Is there going to be any
1:10:24
integration between crafting and salvage slash repair?
1:10:31
I would think so. Salvage, yeah, 'cause RMC is a
1:10:35
temporary thing, or the whatever the munching material is there.
1:10:39
Eventually you're going to break down the ships into what they're
1:10:43
actually made of, like iron. And no, not ten, unless we're
1:10:47
talking Drake, but little, you know, like it's actual component
1:10:52
parts. Shots fired.
1:10:54
Yeah, you know. His arms be supposed to be the
1:10:57
same way. Yeah, it's supposed to be what?
1:11:01
There's three ways to go with this.
1:11:09
So that's exciting. And then once that's in, then
1:11:13
we're only a couple of a couple of more dreams and steps away
1:11:17
from building our own chips. Base building.
1:11:23
Well, we're going to have to make screws and then panels, and
1:11:26
then we have to engineer wiring and then connectors.
1:11:32
I'm here for. Forget the valid car keys to
1:11:34
make your glass. Of course, but that's what that
1:11:39
future glass can you give? Oh, isn't it like like plasteel
1:11:42
or something like that? Something super strong.
1:11:46
Yeah, like transparent steel. Transparent aluminum.
1:11:51
Yeah, you talk into your mouse to make it.
1:11:57
Cool. Glad everybody got that.
1:12:00
Yeah, it's just the the longer term, I think it's going to be
1:12:04
cool to fuck. What how am I?
1:12:09
How do I say it? Like everyone sort of as I, I
1:12:13
went back and watched the, the building your home, which had
1:12:16
everything about blueprints in it.
1:12:17
And there's going to be over 1000 blueprints.
1:12:20
And I'm guessing they're going to take a lot of Rep in a lot of
1:12:23
different places to have. So I'm guessing everyone's not
1:12:26
going to be able to get these, you know, everyone's not going
1:12:29
to be able to grind out 1000 blueprints.
1:12:33
So it'll be cool to kind of work with your org mates to have
1:12:35
different like niches that they fill.
1:12:40
Like someone climbs really high in the cargo Guild and then
1:12:45
they've got access to XY and Z blueprints and you're doing
1:12:49
cargo to a little like certain extent, but not as much as they
1:12:52
are. And you're like, hey, can you
1:12:54
make this for me if I find you the pieces like yeah, sure.
1:12:58
Do you need, I don't know, I'm with the Mercenaries Guild.
1:13:02
Do you need like a gun or this, that or the other thing?
1:13:05
So it'll be fun to sort of have that relationship that needs to
1:13:09
be built. Peter in chat says unpopular
1:13:14
because because Titan drew up to actually talk himself.
1:13:18
Unpopular take. I'm not thrilled about crafting,
1:13:21
I think it's just going to make it harder to get Top Gear which
1:13:25
only rewards the unemployed can spend most of most time in game.
1:13:31
You know, you know, lucky for Skeeter, he's in a he's in a
1:13:34
good Guild. Org Org.
1:13:37
As someone with limited plates on myself, I can see where he's
1:13:40
coming from. But I think there's, I think
1:13:44
there's going to be a player economy really quick where
1:13:47
you'll be able to purchase a lot of this stuff.
1:13:50
I think that's game design for the least common denominator,
1:13:53
and I hate that. Oh well, we have to design the
1:13:56
game for those people who don't have time to play the game.
1:13:59
Well, that's not my. Problem, right?
1:14:01
It's also forcing people to interact with each other in, you
1:14:06
know. And what it is in?
1:14:09
An M&O? What?
1:14:10
What's? Interacting with each other.
1:14:12
That's the worst. Yeah.
1:14:14
And it's going to, you know, it would be nice if like, but
1:14:18
people that have a bunch of time are going to have the time no
1:14:21
matter how the game is built. So if it takes an hour to grind
1:14:25
out a blueprint, then that just means they'll have, you know, 12
1:14:28
times as many blueprints. And I'm sorry, I don't like the
1:14:32
idea that, you know, oh, well, the only reason I'm not as good
1:14:36
as other people is because they're unemployed.
1:14:38
I mean, no, sorry. There are plenty of really
1:14:41
great, great players out there that I have ground their stuff
1:14:45
and put everything they have into it because that's what they
1:14:47
do when they get off of work. And that's just an excuse when
1:14:50
someone tells themselves, Oh well, they're just an employee
1:14:53
so they're going to have an advantage over me.
1:14:54
No, like honestly, it's really. They're not.
1:14:58
They're not just unemployed, they also have no life outside
1:15:00
of that. Yeah, yeah, though if you want
1:15:05
to compete, be a bigger nerd. Just saying, you know, that's
1:15:10
the only. Video game and your friendships
1:15:12
tell your friends and family you know that you you don't want to
1:15:15
speak to them have. No relationships with anyone.
1:15:18
Stop going out. Don't read any books.
1:15:21
Yes, I mean. Listen in, in, in the human
1:15:25
experience, no matter what it is.
1:15:28
The more time you invest, the better you become.
1:15:32
That's just the that's just part of the human condition.
1:15:35
I know man. For the for the most part.
1:15:38
I still missed the course of all.
1:15:40
I mean, you know, are there are there shitty players that have
1:15:44
10,000 hours in whatever game title, of course, but overall.
1:15:49
Yeah, but they're blaming everybody.
1:15:50
With 10,000 hours, he's an expert at almost everything that
1:15:53
has to do with that that title or if you have a master
1:15:58
Carpenter that's got 10 years in the in the in the carpentry
1:16:01
field and there's a new new apprentice with six months in
1:16:05
the 10 year veteran is going to have the experience.
1:16:08
That's just, that's just the nature of life and.
1:16:11
Time. And that's not to say The
1:16:15
Apprentice isn't talented, it's just the 10 year veteran just
1:16:19
kind of like knows the workflow and has a better grip of it.
1:16:25
That's what's called talent. Well, Speaking of time, I'm
1:16:29
afraid we are coming to the end of our time here tonight and
1:16:33
we're going to end our show the way we usually do.
1:16:37
We're going to go in reverse order here, and we're going to
1:16:41
start with broccoli, Rob. Broccoli.
1:16:43
Is there anything that you'd like to say to Chris Roberts,
1:16:46
the folks at CIG, or the people on the Internet?
1:16:50
Make it hard to get a lot of blueprints.
1:16:53
Make them choose which blueprints they want to get, and
1:16:56
make them think really long and hard about it.
1:16:59
OK. Should we limit the number of
1:17:02
blueprints? No, I think soft.
1:17:07
In a soft sense, yes. I don't think you should be a
1:17:10
master in every Guild. I think you're going to have to
1:17:11
pick one, maybe 2 depending on how much time you have.
1:17:16
But I think it should be a you should have to interact with
1:17:21
other people to get a large amount of the blue of access to
1:17:26
what the blueprints make. OK, wicked.
1:17:33
Do you have anything you'd like to say to Chris Roberts, DIG or
1:17:37
the people on the Internet? Well, Sandy, it's your turn
1:17:42
again. Make sure you're.
1:17:44
There he goes. Pays attention to the show.
1:17:49
We talked about a lot of good ideas.
1:17:51
No, it's not harassment, it's just a nudge.
1:17:56
He's just making sure she's checking her notes, you know?
1:17:58
I'll tell that to the. Judge, if we were to compile all
1:18:01
the times you've said Sandy, it'd be a four hour show.
1:18:04
Oh, Sandy, can't choose again. No, nobody else.
1:18:08
What's wrong with? That.
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I went straight to Greece. Ask the courts what's wrong with
1:18:13
that. I mean, I'm pretty sure at this
1:18:15
point it's it's legally actionable.
1:18:17
All right, it's not like it's Lord.
1:18:19
Anubis. Outside of somebody's house.
1:18:22
Not yet, as far as we know. Not yet.
1:18:26
Here is this guy. Calling in say, to Chris
1:18:29
Roberts, the people at CIG or the focus on the Internet.
1:18:32
Yes, Sig, I'm glad you're here to hear what we have to say.
1:18:39
Thank you for sitting down with us.
1:18:41
I wanted to reiterate that we pay you and we are your ultimate
1:18:47
bosses and we are the boss of you.
1:18:50
So copy a Star Wars Galaxy. It's you know, it's it's the
1:18:55
best game ever made. And if you don't, then you know
1:18:58
I'm going to sue you. So do it.
1:19:04
OK again just copy a want to say 23 year olds defunct video game
1:19:14
you. Stay defunct and I say it's it's
1:19:17
actually like has been resurrected by the community
1:19:21
because like it's that good. I'm just saying, just saying you
1:19:26
don't know. How do you know Duke Little?
1:19:29
I don't know. I don't know.
1:19:31
Duke Little, Duke Little. Anything you'd like to say to
1:19:38
Chris Roberts, the people at CIG, or the folks on the
1:19:40
Internet? I would like a crafting machine
1:19:43
installed on the 600I rework. Want a 3D printer on there?
1:19:50
Yeah, I don't doesn't have one. Stupid Drake Clippers got 1
1:19:54
though. So is the crack OK?
1:19:59
You should have like a little one on all ships so you can like
1:20:02
at least make a multi tool or something like that I.
1:20:05
Mean we got the wheel around 1:00, but you know that takes
1:20:08
out cargo space. Talking about one that's
1:20:09
installed in the wall. Yeah, the magic food hole that
1:20:15
makes your meals for you. Yeah, when are we going to get
1:20:18
our food cookers cooking? Yeah.
1:20:22
That's off the. Machine it still doesn't work.
1:20:24
Yeah, I want to. We're going to be able.
1:20:26
To play, yeah. When are we going to be able to
1:20:28
play video games in the in the in the ships?
1:20:31
Doesn't the Harbinger have that? No, but lots of space stations.
1:20:36
Do they have space stations? Have lots of arcade machines,
1:20:39
Yeah. Yeah, play some Galaga.
1:20:44
Before before you shut down, not interject.
1:20:50
He's going to mention Sandy again.
1:20:52
No promise. I'll give you what you can have
1:20:55
1 1/2 things. OK, go ahead.
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First thing, the great Clippers, not stupid.
1:21:02
And second, second, more important.
1:21:06
Secondly, more importantly, in Jar Jar's absence, I think Duke
1:21:13
and Hobo, you guys did a wonderful job.
1:21:20
That's well, Thank you. Thank you, Wicked.
1:21:22
I'm glad I'll do. It next week I won't sound like.
1:21:24
This wicked's just trying to suck up right now, Jesus.
1:21:28
Well, it's working, it's working.
1:21:32
Wicked, wicked you got. You got stroked by ego.
1:21:34
Open calm points. Oh man.
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I'm going to abuse my power as the as the host today to ask
1:21:45
hobo, can you, can you play us out?
1:21:49
My God, you want me to do that right now?
1:21:50
OK, I do. Let me get a cough.
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Out. Of the way first one second be a
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trumpet OK that.