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- 0:00Why does understanding your trauma not lead to healing?
- 0:05Why does knowing your triggers not help you be less reactive to
- 0:10your partner and actually cause fewer cycles in your
- 0:14relationship? It's because inside alone is not
- 0:18enough to heal trauma. So by the end of this episode,
- 0:22you're going to be able to understand the limits of insight
- 0:25for healing trauma, what does make the difference in healing
- 0:29trauma, what actually does work, and how to begin to take steps
- 0:34towards healing your trauma starting today.
- 0:38Welcome to trauma free relationship.
- 0:40I'm your host, Tom Phillip, and I've been working for years with
- 0:43adults who struggle with relational and attachment trauma
- 0:47to regain trust in themselves and others so that they can
- 0:51experience a safe and secure relationship.
- 0:54Let's get started. OK.
- 1:09As I mentioned in the opening, one of the things I think people
- 1:14get stuck on when they talk about healing their trauma is
- 1:19having enough insight. Well, if I just understand, And
- 1:23this is especially true when we're talking about the more
- 1:27avoidance styles of attachment, because they want to lead with
- 1:33their intellect. They've learned to shut off
- 1:35their emotions, to turn off their attachment strivings and
- 1:39longings. And instead they want to
- 1:42primarily engage with others and the world through their
- 1:46intellect and makes them really, really smart.
- 1:49But it also creates a lack of information about themselves and
- 1:53their world that they cannot draw upon.
- 1:56So inside alone is not enough to heal trauma.
- 2:03It it, it can help with some things.
- 2:05So don't get me wrong insight. It's not as if it's not
- 2:09important. And I say that because really,
- 2:12in some ways, my whole show is is based upon education.
- 2:15It's based upon helping others understand and and have a
- 2:20language to what they might be experiencing.
- 2:24And I think there's a lot of power in that, don't get me
- 2:26wrong, But I'm under no pretense that I'm actually healing
- 2:31people's traumas by them listening to the show.
- 2:36Does it create some sight of a a kind of a placebo effect?
- 2:40Yes, I think it probably does. I think people that have some
- 2:43understanding then then can take some steps, but in terms of
- 2:47actual healing of the trauma, that's, that's not really what
- 2:50I'm doing here. What I'm doing is education and
- 2:53it's providing insight. So there's definitely a place
- 2:56for that. And I, so I'm not downplaying
- 3:00inside. I'm not downplaying
- 3:03intellectualizing or understanding your trauma
- 3:07because I do think we need to be able to understand it and put a
- 3:11language to it. So when we start talk about
- 3:13things like naming patterns, insight can really be really
- 3:17helpful with that. It can be helpful to understand
- 3:20how do we see this cycle that me and my partner get into that can
- 3:25play out regardless of what we're talking about, this
- 3:29negative pattern that can reoccur in my relationship that
- 3:34keeps us stuck. Understanding that can be
- 3:37helpful and and insight can provide that.
- 3:40Reducing shame around trauma. Understanding that you're not
- 3:44broken, but rather your trauma is an adaptation to an
- 3:50inhospitable environment that your nervous system had to adapt
- 3:55for what it was lacking. And that's not a matter of
- 3:58brokenness, that is a matter of resourcefulness.
- 4:02Your nervous system knew what to do, and as a result, you have
- 4:09the work of trying to heal that, to retrain your nervous system
- 4:13to know that you're safe in the here and now.
- 4:17Because when it encounters signals that say it's unsafe, it
- 4:22wants to go right back into that protective mode.
- 4:24It goes right back into its defenses because it knows what
- 4:27to do to keep you safe. But that doesn't mean you're
- 4:30broken. It just means that there's some
- 4:32work to do about teaching it how to learn to be safe in the here
- 4:38and now. When we talk about creating some
- 4:40meaning around our life and purpose, that's very much
- 4:44cognitive insight type of behavior.
- 4:48And that can be very important as well, including improving
- 4:52empathy for ourself and others. We need to be able to recognize
- 4:56when that part of us takes over and just wants to beat the crap
- 5:00out of ourselves for past mistakes or for the trauma that
- 5:05we suffered when we were shamed and ridiculed for having a
- 5:09feeling that that really said more about the adult in our
- 5:14lives and way less about us. But nonetheless that impacted
- 5:18us. And now we hold all those types
- 5:21of maladaptive responses that we have to deal with.
- 5:26Insight can be helpful in US understanding and naming that,
- 5:31but there is a limit to insight and there's things that insight
- 5:34cannot do. Insight cannot calm or regulate
- 5:38your nervous system. No amount of understanding, no
- 5:42amount of insight can help you regulate your nervous system.
- 5:47No amount of insight can help you feel safe in the moment.
- 5:52That's something that only your nervous system can do.
- 5:56No amount of insight can help you rewire those implicit
- 6:02memories that are even beyond language.
- 6:07Those moments when in your body you just feel unsafe, but you
- 6:12don't know why. When the smoke alarm goes off
- 6:15and says there's smoke, there must be a fire.
- 6:18Your body's responding the way it's been trained to do that and
- 6:22no amount of insight can change your body from trying to to
- 6:27trigger the smoke alarm to help warn you to impending danger.
- 6:32And then finally, no amount of insight can heal your attachment
- 6:36wounds that are again stored pre verbally, meaning that took
- 6:42place prior to language. If if you were abused
- 6:48emotionally, not given what you need prior to about two years of
- 6:52age before your left hemisphere and and prefrontal cortex really
- 6:58come online because those are the the dominant areas that help
- 7:02us understand verbal language and speak it ourselves.
- 7:07Before that, that all that is stuck in your right hemisphere
- 7:11and in your amygdala. It's pre verbal, meaning it's
- 7:14without words. And this isn't part what your
- 7:18nervous system is doing when it goes off, when you feel flooded
- 7:22by anxiety or shame, what's happening is you're you've
- 7:26gotten some kind of message and been triggered as to danger.
- 7:33And it may be, it may not be a fire, it may just be smoke.
- 7:37But your body's doing what it knows to do and no amount of
- 7:41insight can stop that from happening.
- 7:44So trauma isn't a logic problem, it's a survival memory problem.
- 7:51And an insight is necessary, but it is not sufficient.
- 7:56Let me say that again. Insights necessary, but it's not
- 8:00sufficient. There is things it can help you
- 8:03with, but there are limits to to what insight can do for you,
- 8:09which is why I opened the whole show was saying, why does
- 8:13understanding your trauma not create healing?
- 8:15Why does knowing your triggers not make you less reactive to
- 8:18your partner and cause fewer cycles in your relationship?
- 8:23It's because those things are beyond what insight can provide.
- 8:27And so I think it's really important for us to understand
- 8:32what the limits of inside are, not that we shouldn't chase and,
- 8:36and, and tackle some kind of understanding around what's
- 8:39happening to us. As I said, I've had a lot of
- 8:42responses with this show, people letting me know that it would
- 8:47even within a first few moments of, of an episode, it can it can
- 8:52change their life according to them.
- 8:54This is what they're writing to me.
- 8:55And I'm very blessed to have those responses and I'm a very
- 8:58appreciative of that. Do I think that all of a sudden
- 9:00they're healed and don't have to struggle with the trauma
- 9:03anymore? Absolutely not.
- 9:05Do I think that they are, you know, they've completely tackled
- 9:07their their triggers? Absolutely not.
- 9:10But I do think they have a greater understanding.
- 9:14And I do think that they have a language now in which they can
- 9:17start to try to heal, because I think that's one of the, the
- 9:22real power of this podcast is helping people put a language to
- 9:27their experience, things that seem unformulated, unorganized.
- 9:33Hopefully through this show, you're creating some kind of
- 9:36organization to your experience. That would be, that would be the
- 9:42pinnacle of, of the show to me. If I can help people do that,
- 9:46that is absolutely fantastic. And, and I've gotten feedback
- 9:50that that is part of the value of this show for people.
- 9:54But when we start talking about healing trauma, we have to talk
- 9:57about it from a top down versus a bottom up problem.
- 10:00And when we're talking about a top down, we're talking about
- 10:05more cognitive inside approaches to healing trauma.
- 10:10And those are limited. One of the most famous books
- 10:14written on trauma by Bessel Vanderkolk is called The Body
- 10:19Keeps the Score, and he named that book specifically because
- 10:23of what he spent decades learning about trauma.
- 10:27That trauma is stored in the body.
- 10:30It's not just stored in the verbal side of the brain.
- 10:34And so a a top down approach would be much more cognitive
- 10:39types of approaches, insight types of approaches.
- 10:42These dominated therapy in the early 19 20s in America through
- 10:52psychoanalysis, very insight driven and through the cognitive
- 10:57revolution in the 70s and 80s, very insight driven and, and,
- 11:01and those are powerful. Don't get me wrong, I'm not, I'm
- 11:03not bashing those types of therapies, but when we're
- 11:06talking about healing trauma, what we have come to learn
- 11:10through better science and and better experiments and better
- 11:14instruments that we you can use to measure trauma is that a
- 11:18bottom up approach works better. Because trauma is often stored
- 11:24in body sensations, in implicit emotional memories and in
- 11:31relational expectations, which is very much what our attachment
- 11:36styles are about. And so that all those things,
- 11:40body sensations, implicit emotional memories and
- 11:43relational expectations, those are stored in the body.
- 11:47They're not stored in the verbal side of the brain.
- 11:51So part of healing is to be able to engage the body, and we call
- 11:56it moving up and to the left, meaning we engage the body, we
- 12:01move it up to the right hemisphere where we can now be
- 12:05able to understand and feel a broader range of our emotions
- 12:11and our sensations. And then through that bodywork,
- 12:15we move it over to the left hemisphere where we can then put
- 12:19words to it. And in doing this, that gives
- 12:22you a much greater chance of actually healing your trauma.
- 12:26So understanding those implicit memories that lead to your
- 12:30relational expectations, what you expect of yourself and
- 12:34others that then can be put into language such as I have a fear
- 12:40of abandonment that is being triggered in me right now.
- 12:44And I can communicate that to my partner so that I can experience
- 12:49safety in this very moment and not just respond to what my body
- 12:53is telling me feels unsafe. That is much more of a bottom up
- 12:59approach as opposed to a top down approach.
- 13:04So, you know, one of the dangers I think of trying to rely on
- 13:09insight alone is that we can sort of over intellectualize
- 13:14things, right? We can tend to overanalyze our
- 13:17feelings instead of actually feeling them, explaining our
- 13:22reactions rather than regulating them.
- 13:26Well, I only got upset because you said this.
- 13:29If you could say it this way, I wouldn't get upset and wrong.
- 13:35That doesn't work. That's first of all an
- 13:37intellectualization and an over explanation of how you became
- 13:42dysregulated. One, you're not feeling your
- 13:45feelings. Two, you're putting all the the
- 13:47emphasis on your partner, not yourself.
- 13:50It's you that became dysregulated, not your partner.
- 13:54And so you have to take ownership of that.
- 13:57And so a much better way to do it is to allow yourself to feel
- 14:00those feelings, learn how to catch those feelings when
- 14:05they're when they're less intense as opposed to the peak
- 14:09of their intensity. And then being able to regulate
- 14:12yourself through different tools so that we are able to able to
- 14:22regulate ourselves in that moment and communicate what is
- 14:25happening to us in that moment. So that is very different than
- 14:30saying, well, I only got upset because you did this.
- 14:35So, you know, intellectualization can often be
- 14:38used as a defense, especially using insight to avoid
- 14:43vulnerability. And again, a lot of this, I'm
- 14:46going to emphasize here, the more avoidance style of
- 14:50attachment because a lot of intellectualization and the
- 14:55cutting off of feelings, they're not experiencing it in the body.
- 14:59That tends to be the modus operandi of the more avoidance
- 15:04style of attachment as opposed to the more anxious style.
- 15:08The more anxious style, they're not always feeling their core
- 15:12feelings. What they're feeling is a
- 15:13conglomerate of emotions that is overwhelming in the moment and
- 15:18often shows up primarily as anxiety.
- 15:21The smoke alarm has gone off, the person smells the smoke.
- 15:25They associate the smoke with an absolute fire, and they
- 15:29attribute that fire to their partner.
- 15:32And so they're just showing up as a sort of overwhelming
- 15:37feeling of emotions as opposed to being able to shift through
- 15:41the anxiety and really identify, oh, in this moment, what I'm
- 15:45really feeling is this fear of rejection, this fear of not
- 15:50being good enough. And that's what's driving all
- 15:53this other anxiety. And so it's not as if we can't
- 15:56over intellectualize if we're anxious.
- 15:59But primarily, I see this a lot with the more avoidance styles.
- 16:04And then, you know, finally, I think we can use
- 16:06intellectualization as a sort of self judgment.
- 16:10You know, I should be past this by now.
- 16:13More condemnation of where we think we should be as opposed to
- 16:16where we really are. Why am I still struggling with
- 16:19this? I should be over this by now
- 16:21and. And that is definitely true with
- 16:24the more avoidance style of attachment.
- 16:27That's definitely true because they often think my feelings
- 16:31aren't getting me anywhere. This isn't helping anything.
- 16:35I shouldn't be feeling this anymore and yet I am.
- 16:38So I'm just going to continue to shame myself and, and lack any
- 16:42self compassion in these moments and beat myself up.
- 16:46And so they have a part of them that is very much sort of a
- 16:51judgmental ridicule that that beats them further down and
- 16:57shames them further down, which only perpetuates their trauma.
- 17:01Because part of their trauma was they were shamed for having
- 17:03feelings in the 1st place. They were shamed for having
- 17:07needs in the 1st place. And so inside can be helpful,
- 17:13but insight without a sense of embodiment can keep people stuck
- 17:21in their trauma. Again, it can be sort of a top
- 17:24down approach as opposed to a bottom up approach.
- 17:28So embodiment is very important and that leads us to what does
- 17:33it take to really heal trauma? If insights important, it's
- 17:37sufficient or it's necessary but not sufficient enough to heal
- 17:41it, then what does actually heal trauma?
- 17:44And I think there are core elements of it.
- 17:47So the first one certainly is nervous system regulation.
- 17:51We have to be able to regulate our nervous system in order to
- 17:56be able to feel more safe in the here and now, safety before
- 18:02insight. So if our body moves into fight,
- 18:08flight or freeze, it's too late. We're not going to have the
- 18:13insight necessary to be able to regulate us.
- 18:16We first have to be regulated and we first have to begin to
- 18:20feel safe. Then we can apply our intellect
- 18:24because otherwise our intellect is just going to have that fire
- 18:28alarm that goes off that says you're in danger, you're in
- 18:30danger, get the heck out of here or fight back or, or flee or
- 18:34whatever you're going to do or freeze up.
- 18:38And, and as a result, your, your thinking, your
- 18:41intellectualization is just going to respond to feeling
- 18:45unsafe in your body. And so being able to regulate
- 18:50our nervous system, being able to understand how we can get
- 18:55back in the window of tolerance. And I've mentioned that before,
- 18:59basically that's just the area where we feel safe, we feel
- 19:04grounded, we feel safe and we feel connected in our body.
- 19:08That's being in the window of tolerance.
- 19:11When you're outside that window is where you're, you've gone
- 19:14into fight, flight or freeze or you've disassociated.
- 19:21And and so you've popped out of that what we call the window of
- 19:25tolerance. If you just think about like a
- 19:27normal window, it means you've gone above the window or you've
- 19:31gone below the window. And so being able to regulate
- 19:35our nervous system and learning how to do that is absolutely
- 19:39crucial because again, it's that embodiment piece that really
- 19:43makes the difference. And being able to heal and being
- 19:47able to then apply insight and understanding to what just
- 19:52happened physically with you. A second one is sort of the
- 19:57embodied awareness, understanding your sensations
- 20:01before the narrative. I get people so often that want
- 20:05to come in and want to talk to me and they want to just tell
- 20:08stories about what happened or they want to go back and they
- 20:12want to talk about what created the trauma in the 1st place and
- 20:15how mean their parents or caretakers were and and all the
- 20:20horrible physical, emotional and sexual abuse.
- 20:23That they suffered through and, and I can understand them
- 20:26wanting to tell that story. I really can't.
- 20:29But here's the thing, telling the story doesn't heal the
- 20:33trauma. And at some point I often have
- 20:36to stop them, slow them down to try to get them into their
- 20:40feelings of what they're saying. Not just the intellectualized
- 20:45version of the story, but actually experiencing that in
- 20:50the moment so that they can then learn how to regulate themselves
- 20:55in the here and now. And so you're, you're literally
- 20:58healing trauma by learning to be safe in the here and now based
- 21:03on something that happened there and then in the past.
- 21:07And so the bodied awareness is really important, learning to be
- 21:11able to hold your emotions and, and learning how to linger in
- 21:18them long enough that you can learn from them, glean what
- 21:23they're trying to tell you, feel them and locate them in your
- 21:27body so that the you can then organize them into a place where
- 21:33you can communicate what's happening to you.
- 21:36And often times again, I see a lot of, of people that we have
- 21:41in our coaching program, they just want to bypass that
- 21:43completely. They want to go right to the
- 21:45storytelling without trying to re experience it.
- 21:48Why? Because re experiencing is
- 21:50painful. And hey, I totally get that.
- 21:52But if you don't learn how to re experience that and create a
- 21:57different outcome for yourself. Learn to regulate yourself
- 22:00through that pain. Learn how to hold it and stay in
- 22:03the window of tolerance and not pop up into fight, fleet fight
- 22:07or flee, freeze. Excuse me then.
- 22:11Then you're just repeating the same patterns inside yourself.
- 22:15Those same trauma triggers are just playing out over and over.
- 22:19So being able to hold that and that emotion long enough to
- 22:23learn from it and to regulate it, that can make a tremendous
- 22:27amount of difference. I think also having a corrective
- 22:32relational experience, being able to use others to help
- 22:37regulate you is really important to being able to heal your
- 22:41trauma. Often times the lack of having
- 22:45somebody help you regulate yourself when you were a child
- 22:49or when you were in real need in your adolescence or when you
- 22:55were in your first marriage and you were struggling and your
- 22:58partner was not there for you time and time and time again,
- 23:02that taught you that you could not depend on others to help you
- 23:06Co regulate. And so part of a secure
- 23:10attachment is being able to Co regulate over time.
- 23:15Being able to come in a vulnerable and soft way and
- 23:19express your core vulnerabilities to a partner who
- 23:23can, in that moment, empathize and show up for you and help you
- 23:28regulate by helping you take on some of that pain you're in that
- 23:33helps you feel better in the moment.
- 23:36There's a reason we go to therapist.
- 23:38There's a reason we go to our best friends.
- 23:40There's a reason we go to our mother who might be our best
- 23:43friend. There's a reason we reach out to
- 23:45people because when we're in pain, when we need somebody, it
- 23:50is others who helped lessen that pain for us.
- 23:54They may not be able to step into our shoes completely and
- 23:57experience exactly what we're going to, but news flash, they
- 24:02don't have to. You don't have to experience
- 24:05exactly what somebody else is experiencing and know exactly
- 24:09what that is like in order to be able to share and empathize with
- 24:13them and be a compassionate other for them and be able to
- 24:18help them regulate those emotions and ultimately feel
- 24:21better. So being able to get a different
- 24:25experience through learning how to Co regulate is very healing
- 24:30for our trauma. And then finally, I think
- 24:34repeated experiences, not realizations, being able to
- 24:39repeat those healing experiences over and over so that we become
- 24:43less triggered over time, so that we are able to regulate
- 24:48ourselves more easily is really what helps heal trauma.
- 24:53Being able to be more in touch with our body, to feel our
- 24:57emotions and those sensations, to understand where they come
- 25:01from, and to be able to create a sense of safety for ourselves in
- 25:05the moment is really what allows us to heal our trauma long term.
- 25:11Because healing is less about understanding your past and more
- 25:15about experiencing safety in the present.
- 25:18And I'm going to repeat that again because that is so
- 25:21crucial. There's a lot of, I think even
- 25:23therapist that still think you have to go back to the moment
- 25:27where trauma was created and work through those memories in
- 25:31order to be able to feel safe in the here and now to fix your
- 25:34trauma. And that's just not true.
- 25:36Lots and lots of research have shown you don't need to do that.
- 25:39What you need to do is to be able to experience something
- 25:43similar to those feelings and learn how to regulate them in
- 25:47the here and now so that you can, one, regulate yourself and
- 25:51two, reach out to others to help you regulate as well.
- 25:55So healing is less about understanding and your past and
- 26:00more about experiencing safety in the present.
- 26:04So let me just say, you know, at the end of this podcast, here's
- 26:09what we're kind of closing this out.
- 26:12Are there ways that you feel like oftentimes you
- 26:14intellectualize, maybe you find yourself listening to tons and
- 26:18tons of podcasts? Thank you.
- 26:20By the way, if I'm one of them. But you're not actually doing
- 26:23some of the work that creates sort of more embodied type
- 26:27healing. Do you find yourself over
- 26:31intellectualizing your emotions and your experiences?
- 26:35If so, then I think you really need to try to shift and do some
- 26:40of the harder work, but the work that's actually going to get you
- 26:44further down the road. And so the types of things that
- 26:47are going to get you a bigger bang for your buck in terms of
- 26:50your time, your money, your expense is things like somatic
- 26:54healing, breath work, mindful mindfulness, you know, focused
- 27:00on sensations in your body, attachment based experiences
- 27:05such as Co regulating, trying to embrace vulnerability.
- 27:10These are the types of things that actually are going to get
- 27:14you further down the road in learning how to answer some of
- 27:17those fundamental questions we asked at the opening, as opposed
- 27:21to just trying to gain more insight into what's happening to
- 27:27you. I want to end with just a brief
- 27:29example. I had a couple I was working
- 27:33with a number of years ago and it, it, it was a heterosexual
- 27:38couple. The, the wife was female, the
- 27:42husband was male in this particular example.
- 27:46And I was working with the wife, and we were working on her sort
- 27:51of defensiveness. And she would get triggered and
- 27:55then she would play out what she had learned from the
- 28:00relationship with her mother. And so she would dysregulate.
- 28:04She would put tremendous amounts of pressure on her partner to
- 28:07conform to her expectations of the way he needed to act and
- 28:11respond. In those moments, she would say
- 28:14very hurtful, awful and mean things to him, demean him, put
- 28:19him down. All of this was in an effort to
- 28:23try to get what she needed in the moment.
- 28:26All of this was in an effort in some ways because she lacked any
- 28:30other skills to be able to articulate what she needed.
- 28:36And so in my work with her, we were able to get her to a place
- 28:41where she could hold the pain of not getting what she needed,
- 28:47such as a attuned response from her partner, a sense of safety
- 28:53and security, a feeling that she was important and valued and
- 28:58that her feelings mattered. And she eventually was able to
- 29:03breakthrough her defenses enough that she was able to hold on to
- 29:08this vulnerability of of what she really craved and needed.
- 29:13And she kept crying and saying over and over, I just want to
- 29:16feel safe. I want to feel secure.
- 29:18I just want security in my relationship.
- 29:20I just want security. And it was through this process
- 29:24and holding on to that long enough because what I did was
- 29:28not let her move away from those feelings.
- 29:30I encouraged her to stay with those feelings.
- 29:33And I kept telling her, you are safe right here, right now.
- 29:37You are safe with me. You are safe with your husband.
- 29:40And when she was able to move out of that experience, when
- 29:43it's sort of that that wave of vulnerability had passed, she
- 29:48was actually able to feel lighter.
- 29:51She felt much more healed in a sense that she was able to feel
- 29:56less need and less fear, not only within herself.
- 30:00She's now getting triggered less often and she's able to trust
- 30:05herself more and her partner in her relationship.
- 30:10So that is kind of an example of a bottom up ability to be able
- 30:15to heal your your actual trauma. Notice we weren't telling
- 30:20stories. Notice that she wasn't just
- 30:23telling me what had happened in the past.
- 30:25She was telling me and feeling what was missing in the present.
- 30:30And so that's a little bit about what we mean when we start
- 30:35talking about the limits of insight and how to actually heal
- 30:41your trauma. Thank you so much for listening.
- 30:44My name is Tom Phillip and I'm here to remind you to stay
- 30:46grounded, clear and connected.