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Patricia Muehsam, MD – Beyond Medicine · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
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Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science, and
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Speaker 1: the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
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Speaker 1: we will explore these topics and so much more with
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Speaker 1: fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to
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Speaker 1: Destination Unlimited. What do healing and health, physical, mental, emotional,
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Speaker 1: and spiritual really mean? After decades researching this question, doctor
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Speaker 1: Patricia Mussom, MD offers a revolutionary way to think about health.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Trish, my guest this week on Destination Unlimited, is
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Speaker 1: a pioneer in the synthesis of science, holistic health, health,
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Speaker 1: and contemporary spirituality. She has distinguished herself as a practitioner, educator,
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Speaker 1: and research scientist and has been an influential force in
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Speaker 1: shaping the landscape of healthcare options available today. Doctor Trish
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Speaker 1: is the founder of Transformational Medicine, a whole person approach
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Speaker 1: to health and wellbeing, offering tools and resources for individuals
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Speaker 1: and communities in person and online. Her website is Transformationalmedicine
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Speaker 1: dot org, and she joins me this week to share
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Speaker 1: her path and book, Beyond Medicine, A Physician's Revolutionary Prescription
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Speaker 1: for achieving absolute health and finding inner peace. Please join
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Speaker 1: me in welcoming to Destination Unlimited, Doctor Patricia Musom. Welcome,
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Speaker 1: doctor Musom.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Victor, thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: And I understand that you like to be called doctor Trish,
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Speaker 1: and that's what we're going to call you.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds great.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful, doctor Trisha. What inspired your book Beyond Medicine?
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Speaker 2: Well, the inspiration from Beyond Medicine came from two very
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Speaker 2: big personal events in my life. Actually, I should say
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Speaker 2: that the inspiration for how I worked today and how
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Speaker 2: I came to understand health and healing, which is what
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Speaker 2: led to the book, my wanting to share a new
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Speaker 2: way to think about health and healing. Those two big
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Speaker 2: personal experiences were first, when I was in my early twenties,
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Speaker 2: I started having what we would call psychic or out
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Speaker 2: of body experiences, and it was an incredibly powerful period
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Speaker 2: in my life that unfortunately ended not so happily. It
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Speaker 2: was misunderstood by many people. People I told that I
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Speaker 2: shouldn't have told perhaps, and I ended up getting locked
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Speaker 2: up in a psychiatric word, destined to be medicated for life,
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Speaker 2: told that I was essentially mentally ill. But to make
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Speaker 2: a long story short, that period of psychic openings led
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Speaker 2: me to understand that.
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Speaker 3: There is.
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Speaker 2: Marvelous, real, remarkable reality beyond cognition and our five senses
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Speaker 2: that I like to call the unseen world, and some
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Speaker 2: may call it an expanded state of consciousness, but that
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Speaker 2: is a place where inspiration, clarity, healing, and connection with
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Speaker 2: unseen realms arises. And in that period of time, I
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Speaker 2: experienced a kind of piece I'd never known before, and
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Speaker 2: a piece that led me to understand that that piece
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Speaker 2: was always available to us if we could access that
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Speaker 2: particular place, that unseen world. So the psychic experiences also
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Speaker 2: I call them spiritual awakenings or spiritual openings. That was
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Speaker 2: one powerful experience, the notion that we don't have to suffer,
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Speaker 2: that suffering is not inevitable. And the second experience wasn't
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Speaker 2: a personal experience I had. In my primary family, my
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Speaker 2: father had had a quite catastrophic stroke when he was
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Speaker 2: in his late forties, and nearly twenty years later, when
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Speaker 2: I was in my medical training, he experienced a treatment
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Speaker 2: of a very gifted, somewhat eccentric physician scientist who worked
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Speaker 2: with energy, chigong and a unique theory of pathogenesis of
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Speaker 2: how disease happens. And my father's catastrophic stroke had left
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Speaker 2: him initially partially aphasic, meaning he couldn't get the words
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Speaker 2: out that he wanted to get out, and partially paralyzed
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Speaker 2: on one side of his body. And after this these
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Speaker 2: treatments with this somewhat eccentric but brilliant scientist, his speech
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Speaker 2: came back. So that was another turning point for me
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Speaker 2: that led me to believe without a doubt that healing
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Speaker 2: was possible beyond the conventional Western biomedical model and beyond
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Speaker 2: our current paradigm of understanding health, illness and healing. And
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Speaker 2: those two were formative experiences that led me to how
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Speaker 2: I worked today and I wanted to at one point
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Speaker 2: some years ago go before I put Bent into paper
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Speaker 2: share all of that in book form with the world Wonderful.
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Speaker 1: How do you define absolute health and why does it matter?
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Speaker 2: I define absolute health as simply peace of mind. Peace
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Speaker 2: of mind is our essential nature. It's the way we
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Speaker 2: were born to be, and it matters because that state
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Speaker 2: of inner peace is where we need to be mentally, emotionally,
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Speaker 2: and also physically. The body needs to be in a
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Speaker 2: state of absolute rest to healers to for healing to happen,
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Speaker 2: the body won't heal otherwise. Our thoughts and our feelings
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Speaker 2: affect our health instantaneously. Other every thought and feeling is
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Speaker 2: either creating a state of ease or disease. So a
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Speaker 2: calm a peaceful mind creates a calm and peaceful body.
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Speaker 2: A disturbed mind creates stress in the body. The body
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Speaker 2: needs to be calm for healing to happen.
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Speaker 1: And how do we get there?
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Speaker 2: Well, there are many many ways to get there. In
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Speaker 2: my book, in the Teachings of the Big I offer
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Speaker 2: what I call the five five absolute health tools, and
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Speaker 2: some of these are very, very simple and very mediate.
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Speaker 2: Those five tools are breathing, meditation, journaling, a tool called
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Speaker 2: mirror work for those of your listeners who are familiar
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Speaker 2: with Louise Hey, that's a technique that Louise Hay cultivated
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Speaker 2: in her teachings. And the fifth tool, the fifth of
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Speaker 2: the five apps held tools, is mind body sensing, a
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Speaker 2: somatic process where we tune into what's going on in
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Speaker 2: our bodies physically sensation wise. These are tools that help
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Speaker 2: us cultivate this idea of being here now, being present
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Speaker 2: in the moment, not in the past, not in the future,
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Speaker 2: but in the moment right now.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the first one breathing. Tell us about the.
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Speaker 2: Breathing sure, well, the simplest breathing tool that we can
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Speaker 2: access is what's typically called abdominal diaframatic or belly breathing,
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Speaker 2: and that type of breathing instantaneously turns on what's called
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Speaker 2: the power sympathetic nervous system. That's the system we need
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Speaker 2: to have turned on for rest, for healing, as well
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Speaker 2: as for sleeping and for digestion. That system lowers our
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Speaker 2: blood pressure, it lowers how fast the heart is beating,
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Speaker 2: it lowers our breathing rate, and it facilitates that place
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Speaker 2: I mentioned, that place of absolute health that we need
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Speaker 2: to be for healing to happen. And also it's a
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Speaker 2: place we need to be for clarity if we're confused,
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Speaker 2: if we don't know the answer to some sort of
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Speaker 2: challenge we're experiencing in our life. So abdominal or belly
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Speaker 2: breathing is the quickest and most powerful tool we have
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Speaker 2: to instantaneously turn us from a state of agitation or
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Speaker 2: vigilance to peace. And what about journaling, Well, journaling is
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Speaker 2: a wonderful tool that can help us access what's going
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Speaker 2: on internally, emotionally and thought wise when we may have
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Speaker 2: a hard time doing that just naturally. It's a that
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Speaker 2: we can put our thoughts, emotions to paper. And I
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Speaker 2: especially emphasize the technique called stream of consciousness writing, where
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Speaker 2: we just literally write whatever comes to mind, and that's
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Speaker 2: another tool to help us cultivate this be here now process.
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Speaker 2: There are other journaling methods as well. There's non dominant
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Speaker 2: handwriting where we write with the hand that we don't
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Speaker 2: normally write with if we're dominant, either left or right handed,
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Speaker 2: or journaling exercises for accessing our inner child, for accessing
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Speaker 2: our higher wisdom. But these are tools that can really
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Speaker 2: help us to just be present with us with what's
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Speaker 2: coming up internally.
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Speaker 1: And what about tuning into the body that you had described.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, that's the mind body sensing process that I mentioned,
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Speaker 2: sometimes called somatic experiencing. It's just another tech t nique
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Speaker 2: to again cultivate this place of being present with what
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Speaker 2: is we're often so many of us, especially in the
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Speaker 2: Western world, in our heads, in our forebrains, in our
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Speaker 2: thinking brains, and it's way to literally drop our attention
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Speaker 2: into our physical body and be mindful present with what's
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Speaker 2: going on in the physical body, and it moves us
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Speaker 2: from mind to body. It can move us from mind
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Speaker 2: to heart, from mind to body, and that's another very
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Speaker 2: powerful way to get out of our thinking brain, which
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Speaker 2: often can keep us from being here now and feeling
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Speaker 2: what's going on in the moment.
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Speaker 1: So let's take an example. Let's say one of our
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Speaker 1: listeners is at work one day and someone does something
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Speaker 1: that they find challenging. What should the response be.
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Speaker 2: I suggest that people do what the easiest is for
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Speaker 2: them to do. And if they're in a work setting
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Speaker 2: where it's very exposed and they're not able to find
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Speaker 2: a place of peace, the easiest thing to do is
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Speaker 2: just go to the bathroom, sit on the toilet, and
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Speaker 2: do some belly breathing, and that will allow us to
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Speaker 2: calm the nervous system, which will move any thoughts or
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Speaker 2: emotions of agitation towards feelings of peace and ease. If
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Speaker 2: feelings are feeling very challenging, another process to do is
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Speaker 2: that mind body sensing that I just mentioned, finding the
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Speaker 2: feeling in the body. If somebody's feeling agitated or angry reactive,
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Speaker 2: imagine dropping down into the body and feeling where in
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Speaker 2: the body they feel that emotion, and breathing into that place.
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Speaker 2: That's another intentional process to move us away from that
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Speaker 2: heightened state of emotion or thought.
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Speaker 1: So all of these steps really about being proactive rather
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Speaker 1: than reactive. Absolutely, yes, And in the workplace that can
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Speaker 1: be a very important thing for sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it doesn't mean it's an essential element of
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Speaker 2: human nature that we can be reactive. We're emotional human beings.
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Speaker 2: We were hardwired evolutionarily to respond to stressors, and then
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Speaker 2: depending on who we are personality wise and the experiences
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Speaker 2: and whatever traumas we may have had, we may react
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Speaker 2: to situations internally emotionally. So I won't say we shouldn't
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Speaker 2: ever be reactive. In fact, I like to delete the
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Speaker 2: words should from our vocabularies. But when we're noticing that
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Speaker 2: we're reacting, the key is to noticing that and using
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Speaker 2: that observation and then experimenting with the tools that I
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Speaker 2: mentioned to shift that state.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about that mind body connection a little more.
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Speaker 1: Please explain just how omnipotent our thoughts and emotions are.
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Speaker 2: Sure, well, the mind and the body are intimately intimately
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Speaker 2: linked in fact, there's really no separation between the two.
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Speaker 2: This is a concept that is rooted in all the
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Speaker 2: ancient global healing traditions, but it's something that we and
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Speaker 2: I certainly wasn't exposed to in my medical training, that
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Speaker 2: we as a Western culture have lost touch with. We
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Speaker 2: have a doctor for the heart, a doctor for the
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Speaker 2: digestive system, a doctor for the mind and the emotions,
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Speaker 2: but in fact, the mind and the body are intimately
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Speaker 2: inextricably connected. There is no separation between what we're thinking,
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Speaker 2: what we're feeling, and what's going on in the physical body.
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Speaker 2: And if something's going on emotionally, there will always be
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Speaker 2: a physical component. If there's something going on physically, if
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Speaker 2: we have an illness, a symptom, a disease, there's always
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Speaker 2: an emotional component. Every thought, every feeling is either creating
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Speaker 2: a state of ease or disease in the body. Like
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Speaker 2: I said earlier, a calm, a peaceful mind creates a
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Speaker 2: calm and peaceful body. A disturbed mind creates stress in
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Speaker 2: the body. What I love about it, being a physician
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Speaker 2: and a scientist, is that this is ancient wisdom, and
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Speaker 2: it's wisdom that we've lost a bit in the practice
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Speaker 2: of Western medicine that this ancient wisdom is now very
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Speaker 2: well documented by the tools of modern science. There's a
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Speaker 2: growing vast body of research that has shown that feelings
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Speaker 2: either held and it held within we kept in i e.
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Speaker 2: Repressed or expressed in extreme can cause disease and can
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Speaker 2: impede healing. Even cancer and diseases that Western medicine deems
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Speaker 2: incurable can be completely cured as long as we address
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Speaker 2: the wholeness of the individual, and that means acknowledging the
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Speaker 2: emotional correlates to those physical illnesses. In other words, emotional
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Speaker 2: healing can mend us absolutely.
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Speaker 1: You've mentioned before that you've been a patient yourself. How
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Speaker 1: has that influenced your practice?
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Speaker 2: In many many ways. It's it's influenced me in terms
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Speaker 2: of the importance of the practitioner. I don't even like
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Speaker 2: to use the word patient, but in terms of the
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Speaker 2: relationship between the practitioner and the patient for all the
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Speaker 2: intentsive purposes, I'll just use that word now. Our relationships
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Speaker 2: with practitioners can either be supportive or they can be destructive.
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Speaker 2: And I've had some wonderfully supportive healing partnerships, and I've
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Speaker 2: had some that were not supportive at all, and the
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Speaker 2: healing partnership can impede our healing if it's not a
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Speaker 2: supportive one. Obviously, it gave me great insights and empathy
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Speaker 2: into being a patient, a quote patient, and you know,
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Speaker 2: a view as an insider from the patient perspective, and
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Speaker 2: even if as a physician there were times that it
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Speaker 2: was very challenging and very disempowering because of how our
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Speaker 2: medical our medical system works today.
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Speaker 1: And how important is listening in the practice.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's absolutely one hundred percent important.
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Speaker 1: Do you find that many practitioners today, many physicians don't
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Speaker 1: spend enough time listening.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think most physicians who are employees of either
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Speaker 2: academic centers or of large practices, and now nowadays large
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Speaker 2: practices are getting brought up the way veterinary practices are
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Speaker 2: getting purchased, are set up to see patients in very
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Speaker 2: little time segments, so absolutely they're not able to listen.
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Speaker 2: In my work, when I work with people doing health consultations,
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Speaker 2: I spend an hour and a half to two for
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Speaker 2: the first session, and often it's the person whom I'm
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Speaker 2: working with that is telling me what's going on with them.
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Speaker 2: When I truly lessen and when I ask ask specific questions.
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Speaker 1: So instead of the word patient, perhaps those who need
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Speaker 1: to be listened to.
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Speaker 2: That's a great way of putting it. Yeah, are those
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Speaker 2: who need to be.
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Speaker 1: Heard for those who need to be heard? Really? Yeah, wonderful.
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Speaker 1: You explain that he may be a return to the
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Speaker 1: body or a departure from it, for example death. Just
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Speaker 1: what do you mean by this?
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Speaker 2: Well, we obviously tend to think of healing as an
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Speaker 2: improvement in our physical health, but I also offer that
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Speaker 2: healing can mean death. Death is a normal and natural
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Speaker 2: part of life. This may not sit well for those
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Speaker 2: of your listeners who may not like to think of
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Speaker 2: the notions of dying and death. For so many of
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Speaker 2: us in this culture, we think of death as a
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Speaker 2: distressing or even horrific idea, and that's certainly the tendency
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Speaker 2: of Western culture. But healing is a return to our
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Speaker 2: essential nature, and our sential nature, as I said, is
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Speaker 2: that place of calm and peace, And it's how we
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Speaker 2: return to our if we're meant to get well, and
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Speaker 2: it's how we can leave our body with peace and ease,
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Speaker 2: if we're meant to leave our bodies. Tremendous cultural distress
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Speaker 2: over the idea of death. You know, we're so attached
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Speaker 2: to the notion of longevity and fear of aging and
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Speaker 2: all that's associated with aging. We've really horbalized dying and death,
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Speaker 2: which is which is really unfortunate. And if we were
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Speaker 2: able to accept that the experiences of being human, including illness, dying,
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Speaker 2: and death, are natural and normal experiences of being human,
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Speaker 2: we might very well be able to navigate them with
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Speaker 2: more ease and enter them with more ease, and leave
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Speaker 2: our bodies with more ease. But that's a cultural issue
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Speaker 2: in the Western world that's challenging for us, and certainly
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Speaker 2: it's challenging the Western medicine because we do horribalize dying
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Speaker 2: and death in the Western medicine for the most.
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Speaker 1: I have several friends who are death doulas, who work
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Speaker 1: together with patients and hospice situations and give so much
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Speaker 1: love and so much understanding, not only to those who
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Speaker 1: are about to depart, but to their families who are
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Speaker 1: standing by. And I think it's a wonderful gift.
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Speaker 2: It's beautiful. We need more of that.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. My guest is doctor Patricia Musom. Her book is
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Speaker 1: called Beyond Medicine, a Physician's revolutionary prescription for achieving absolute
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Speaker 1: health and finding inner peace. Doctor Trish, please share with
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Speaker 1: our listeners where they can get your book and find
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Speaker 1: out more about you and your work.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you can get my book everywhere books are sold.
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Speaker 2: It's on Amazon, it's on Barnes and Noble, it's on
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week, doctor patriciamusom
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Speaker 1: her book Beyond Medicine, a Physician's Revolutionary prisons Scription for
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Speaker 1: achieving Absolute Health and finding inner peace. Doctor Trish, on
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Speaker 1: consciousness and the power of our minds on our minds
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Speaker 1: as medicine, you offer us a chapter on consciousness research, parapsychology,
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Speaker 1: research on phenomenons such as near death experiences, past lives,
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Speaker 1: and more. Why did you include all of this in
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Speaker 1: your book?
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Speaker 2: Oh, this is actually the favorite, favorite part of my book.
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Speaker 2: It's maybe more esoteric for some. In this section of
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Speaker 2: the book, I invite readers to travel with me to
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Speaker 2: a place I call what I referred to earlier as
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Speaker 2: the unseen world, a world beyond our logical thinking brains,
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Speaker 2: a world beyond our five senses, a world where we
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Speaker 2: don't necessarily begin at birth and end at death, and
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Speaker 2: where our minds can go places our bodies can't, places
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Speaker 2: we've never imagined. And I do this because I want
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Speaker 2: to offer up readers who may wrestle with disbelief that
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Speaker 2: believing in this unseen world can help us to make
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Speaker 2: this seemingly magical and miraculous come true. As I said earlier,
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Speaker 2: you know, healing of even diseases that Western medicine deems
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Speaker 2: incurable is absolutely possible. But if we don't believe it's possible,
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Speaker 2: that belief can make it impossible. So I offer up
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Speaker 2: stories and the science of those stories as avenues for
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Speaker 2: expanding our beliefs, for traveling beyond how many of us
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Speaker 2: are taught to think about space and time, and beyond
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Speaker 2: how we convention, conventionally or ordinarily perceives ourselves in the
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Speaker 2: world around us. So if we can be open to
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Speaker 2: these magical experiences that I offer, these miraculous phenomena, believing
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Speaker 2: them can open us up to navigating those possibilities for
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Speaker 2: ourselves in our own lives.
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Speaker 1: You have a chapter titled Miracles Are the Natural Order
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Speaker 1: of Things describing your personal experiences with healers, mystics, and
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Speaker 1: others with apparently miraculous abilities. Why did you offer your
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Speaker 1: readers these details, especially if the central theme is that
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Speaker 1: our healer lies within.
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Speaker 2: Now that's a great question. Well, that chapter is the
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Speaker 2: chapter that follows the one that I just described, a
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Speaker 2: part of the same section of the book about the
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Speaker 2: unseen world. And I do share my personal experiences that
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Speaker 2: I've had with various types of healers and mystics, people
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Speaker 2: that had or have apparently magical or miraculous abilities. And
26:52
Speaker 2: I do that again for the same reason I offer
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Speaker 2: the stories up with the hope that they can give
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Speaker 2: readers reason to go beyond any disbeliefs, so they can
27:03
Speaker 2: go beyond any limiting beliefs they may have about their
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Speaker 2: health and about their possibilities for healing, about any limiting
27:12
Speaker 2: beliefs they may have about circumstances and situations in our lives.
27:16
Speaker 2: Bearing witness like I did to my father's seemingly miraculous
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Speaker 2: cure of his aphasia, his inability to put the words together,
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Speaker 2: bearing witness to what appears magical and miraculous can help
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Speaker 2: us to be open to experiencing the magical and the
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Speaker 2: miraculous for ourselves. It can help us dissolve those disbeliefs
27:37
Speaker 2: and take our fears away, and even offer us hope,
27:41
Speaker 2: offer us hope, and offer us peace of mind. They're
27:45
Speaker 2: very expansive experiences, and they certainly were for me when
27:48
Speaker 2: I first met the various people that I talk about
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Speaker 2: in that chapter.
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Speaker 1: I'll share a personal experience with you. I've had the
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Speaker 1: gift of an inner voice, a guide, a spiritual guide,
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Speaker 1: angelic guide. I don't know what people label these things today,
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Speaker 1: but whenever I had something that would come up in
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Speaker 1: my life that required more than I thought. Within myself,
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Speaker 1: this still soft voice from within would appear and give
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Speaker 1: me guidance, and I always trusted that voice. It was
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Speaker 1: not the shouting voice of ego, but again that still
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Speaker 1: soft voice. Within nineteen seventy five, I was in the
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Speaker 1: United States Air Force. I was stationed in Soul, Korea,
28:31
Speaker 1: and we had a intramural football game with Army guys.
28:35
Speaker 1: I was Air Force and they were Army, and this
28:37
Speaker 1: one gentleman the Army didn't know what touch tackle meant,
28:41
Speaker 1: and he went headfirst into my lower back, the small
28:44
Speaker 1: of my back and knocked the wind out of me,
28:47
Speaker 1: knocked me the floor. And within a couple of days
28:50
Speaker 1: I started having really, really bad pain in my lower back.
28:53
Speaker 1: And I was being treated by the medical facility over there,
28:57
Speaker 1: and a friend of mine said, have you ever tried acupuncture?
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Speaker 1: And I'd heard of acupuncture, but I'd never experienced it.
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Speaker 1: He says, why don't you try acupuncture? And I found
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Speaker 1: a Korean acupuncturist and I had a treatment, and within
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours the pain was gone, and I said,
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Speaker 1: this is a miracle. Unbeknownst to me at the time
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Speaker 1: in Korea in those days, practitioners of acupuncture did not
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Speaker 1: necessarily use disposable needles. Their sterilization techniques were not the best.
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Speaker 1: Hepatitis B was endemic in Korea for our audience. That
29:29
Speaker 1: means many people carried the disease without manifesting these signs
29:33
Speaker 1: of illness. Two weeks after I had the acupuncture, I
29:37
Speaker 1: woke up one morning not feeling right and I looked
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Speaker 1: in the mirror and my eyes were turning yellow. And
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Speaker 1: I went to the base hospital and they looked at
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Speaker 1: me and said, you have hepatitis. They immediately admitted me,
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Speaker 1: and they were treating me differently than they were treating
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Speaker 1: the other patients in the ward, giving me infusions of
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Speaker 1: vitamin K, which I didn't understand at the time. Other
29:58
Speaker 1: things were also going on, and one day the doctor
30:01
Speaker 1: asked me if I had a will. I said no, why.
30:03
Speaker 1: He says, well, you're very seriously ill and we want
30:05
Speaker 1: to protect your family. You need to get a will.
30:07
Speaker 1: And they had the Judge Advocate General's office send somebody
30:10
Speaker 1: over to do a will for me. And one night
30:14
Speaker 1: I'm laying there, I had lost a lot of weight,
30:16
Speaker 1: I had no appetite, no desire to eat, and the
30:19
Speaker 1: voice came and the voice said, ask the doctor for
30:22
Speaker 1: a picture of something that shows a healthy liver. So
30:26
Speaker 1: when the doctor came in, I said, do you have
30:27
Speaker 1: anything that shows a healthy liver, a photo or something,
30:31
Speaker 1: And he said why, I said, I just want to
30:32
Speaker 1: see what it looks like. So he begrudgingly brought me
30:35
Speaker 1: an anatomy book open to the page with a healthy liver.
30:38
Speaker 1: And I started studying this picture. And after a few minutes,
30:42
Speaker 1: the voice said, put the book down and place your
30:44
Speaker 1: palms over your abdomen. And I did, and I started
30:48
Speaker 1: feeling this wonderful warmth and this wonderful tingling sensation. And
30:52
Speaker 1: I don't know how long it took, but a few minutes.
30:54
Speaker 1: After a few minutes, I fell asleep. The next morning,
30:57
Speaker 1: at five am, the nurse woke me. She apologized for
31:00
Speaker 1: waking me up. She said, I have to take a
31:01
Speaker 1: blood sample from you. Two hours later she came back.
31:04
Speaker 1: She said, the laboratory messed up your bloods. We have
31:07
Speaker 1: to take another draw. An hour later, the doctor came
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Speaker 1: in and said, after I gave you the book last night,
31:13
Speaker 1: what did you do? I told him. He said, you're crazy.
31:16
Speaker 1: I said what he said, because last night your liver
31:19
Speaker 1: enzymes were such that we didn't think you'd survive the night.
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Speaker 1: This morning, they're almost normal. We've never seen anything like
31:26
Speaker 1: that happened before I had a complete recovery, And in
31:30
Speaker 1: my official medical records the doctor wrote, quote, the luckiest
31:35
Speaker 1: SOB I've ever met in my life. And then after
31:38
Speaker 1: I got out of the Air Force, a couple of
31:39
Speaker 1: years later, I heard that there was a laboratory in
31:43
Speaker 1: Manhattan that was looking for samples of people of blood,
31:46
Speaker 1: samples of people who had had hepatitis B as they
31:48
Speaker 1: were trying to develop a vaccine. And I went to
31:51
Speaker 1: donate a sample and the doctor said, we can't use
31:54
Speaker 1: your blood, And I said why He said, because there's
31:56
Speaker 1: no evidence that you've ever had the disease.
31:59
Speaker 2: That's a more marless story.
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Speaker 1: That's my miracle story.
32:03
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that, Victor. That is wonderful.
32:06
Speaker 1: So on our non Western approaches to health and healing,
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Speaker 1: you detail the history of the alternative medicine movement in
32:14
Speaker 1: the United States, and you describe supportive science around many
32:18
Speaker 1: alternative practices not currently accepted by western medicine. Why haven't
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Speaker 1: these ideas taken hold in Western medicine yet?
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Speaker 2: There are multiple reasons that those ideas have not taken holds,
32:32
Speaker 2: and they center around the socioeconomics and the culture of
32:38
Speaker 2: Western medicine. Western medicine is a multidisciplinary system. It became
32:47
Speaker 2: focused on systems. As I said earlier, there's a cardiologist
32:51
Speaker 2: for the heart, a neurologist for the nervous system, psychiatrists
32:56
Speaker 2: for the thoughts and the emotions. So we're very specialized.
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Speaker 2: I don't see the whole. We see the trees, not
33:02
Speaker 2: the forest. And similarly, in the scientific disciplines, there is
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Speaker 2: very little communication between the disciplines of basic science such
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Speaker 2: as biochemistry and biophysics and molecular biology and clinical medicine.
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Speaker 2: And I talk specifically in that chapter about, for example,
33:26
Speaker 2: acupuncture and homeopathy. Homeopathy is a practice that is quite
33:32
Speaker 2: different in theory to the practice that I was trained
33:37
Speaker 2: in in allopathy. Although I have been trained in homeopathy.
33:42
Speaker 2: There is a tremendous influence of the socioeconomics of pharmaceuticals
33:49
Speaker 2: and our culture. Homiopathy involves remedies that cannot be patented.
33:54
Speaker 2: They cannot make money for the pharmaceutical companies. It also
33:59
Speaker 2: works according to principles that are foreign to the principles
34:03
Speaker 2: of allopathy. However, there has been a tremendous body of
34:07
Speaker 2: great research. I'm not biased. I'm actually stating this as
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Speaker 2: a fact, even though it may sell that I'm biased.
34:13
Speaker 2: Great research by physicists, by engineers, by molecular biologists on
34:19
Speaker 2: what's called low dose phenomena homeopathy involves highly dilute substances.
34:25
Speaker 2: This research supports the veracity of this practice. But however,
34:29
Speaker 2: because I explain how scientific disciplines don't communicate with one another,
34:34
Speaker 2: that research never trickles down into the medical community. Physicians
34:38
Speaker 2: don't read the clinical journals and the basic science research
34:42
Speaker 2: journals of other disciplines. So it has to do with
34:47
Speaker 2: the socioeconomics of the system. It has to do with
34:51
Speaker 2: the nature of the let's say, the educational system itself,
34:57
Speaker 2: and how the knowledge systems work very independent, leave one
35:00
Speaker 2: another and don't communicate with one another. So politics and
35:04
Speaker 2: economics and the structure of let's say the pistemology of
35:09
Speaker 2: our traditions, and the mainstream media does not communicate any
35:14
Speaker 2: of that because it doesn't receive information from the scientific
35:21
Speaker 2: media that discuss those issues. Yeah, so there's a tremendous
35:26
Speaker 2: bias and physicians aren't educated in disciplines outside their own
35:34
Speaker 2: biomedical model and system.
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Speaker 1: Your book is a do it yourself guide with exercise
35:43
Speaker 1: tools and resources for exploring the teachings in each chapter.
35:48
Speaker 1: What are the five absolute health tools?
35:51
Speaker 2: The five absolute health tools are those mind body medicine
35:55
Speaker 2: tools I mentioned. Breathing, mindfulness and meditation is the second one.
36:02
Speaker 2: Journaling is the third one. Mirror work the Louise Hey
36:10
Speaker 2: develop technique and mind body sensing, and those are tools
36:15
Speaker 2: that can help us cultivate that place of absolute health,
36:20
Speaker 2: that place of inner peace, that place we need to
36:23
Speaker 2: be for the body to heal and for us to
36:27
Speaker 2: have clarity inspiration. And I'm sure Victor, when you have
36:30
Speaker 2: that remarkable experience with the hepatitis and the healing, you
36:37
Speaker 2: were in a place of rest when you heard that
36:40
Speaker 2: inner voice, when you heard that inner guide telling you
36:43
Speaker 2: to look at a picture of a healthy liver, You
36:47
Speaker 2: had inspiration coming from some sort of unseen place, some
36:51
Speaker 2: unseen reality. But it's that place we need to be,
36:55
Speaker 2: where where we can heal and where we can receive inspiration,
36:59
Speaker 2: and and those tools, those fives out absolute health tools,
37:04
Speaker 2: can help us get there.
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Speaker 1: You explain how each one of these five tools has
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Speaker 1: been shown by solid science to change our brains, change
37:12
Speaker 1: our bodies, improve our moods, and improve health outcomes.
37:16
Speaker 2: Tell us a little more, Ah, that's a big question.
37:20
Speaker 2: Let me see where to start. Well, I mentioned earlier,
37:23
Speaker 2: breathing has been shown to instantaneously calm the nervous system.
37:27
Speaker 2: Breathing turns on the parasympathetic nervous system, the system for rest,
37:33
Speaker 2: digest and healing. Mindfulness and meditation. There's been a lot
37:37
Speaker 2: of research on brain imaging studies showing the effect in
37:41
Speaker 2: the brain of meditation and mindfulness practices. For example, there's
37:46
Speaker 2: a part of a brain called the amygdala, which is
37:48
Speaker 2: like the thermostat of our emotions. It registers the temperature
37:53
Speaker 2: of our emotions. And there's a part of a brain
37:56
Speaker 2: called the prefrontal cortex. That's the part of the brain.
38:00
Speaker 2: Forgive me for those of you who aren't so into
38:02
Speaker 2: the science. I love explaining the science because so many
38:05
Speaker 2: of these practices are often thought to be really kind
38:08
Speaker 2: of oh soft practices, but there's hard science supporting their veracity.
38:15
Speaker 2: So brain imaging studies have shown that through the practices
38:20
Speaker 2: of meditation and other being here now practices like mindfulness
38:25
Speaker 2: the relationship between the part of the brain, the amigdala
38:28
Speaker 2: that registers and reacts to our feelings and their prefrontal cortex,
38:33
Speaker 2: the part of our brain that can huh, step back
38:36
Speaker 2: and well, yeah, I noticed I was feeling angry or
38:40
Speaker 2: anxious or scared. But you know what, I don't need
38:44
Speaker 2: to I don't need to react to that. I don't
38:47
Speaker 2: need to be that. That's just something that I'm experiencing.
38:50
Speaker 2: But I can watch it as it's as if it's
38:52
Speaker 2: a movie on a screen in front of me. So
38:55
Speaker 2: imaging studies of the brain have shown that meditation actually
38:58
Speaker 2: changed the wiring between that emotional thermostat, the amigdala and
39:04
Speaker 2: that bearing witness part of our brain, the prefrontal cortex.
39:08
Speaker 2: So that's pretty cool. And similar research has shown that
39:13
Speaker 2: the effects of journaling change the brain, change our bodies physiology,
39:19
Speaker 2: lower our vigilance measures like lower the blood pressure, lower
39:25
Speaker 2: the heart rate, turn on the feel good rest and
39:27
Speaker 2: relaxed system, and the same with somatic experiencing and mirror work.
39:33
Speaker 2: They've all been shown through science to cultivate that nervous
39:38
Speaker 2: system of rest and relaxation and healing.
39:43
Speaker 1: I found that when I bring through poetry. I've been
39:45
Speaker 1: writing poetry since I was a kid, and I found
39:48
Speaker 1: that when I bring through poetry, when I'm done, I
39:51
Speaker 1: feel absolutely wonderful.
39:53
Speaker 2: Hmm, that's marvelous. And when you write the poetry is
39:57
Speaker 2: it does it just kind of flow from your hands
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Speaker 2: to the keyboard of your pen to paper when you're writing.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I call it inspired poetry. It comes through me.
40:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's lovely.
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Speaker 1: achieving Absolute health and finding inner peace, Doctor Trisha, what
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Speaker 1: are the four primary medicines?
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Speaker 2: The four primary medicines are food, what we take in
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Speaker 2: physically and that includes beverages, lifestyle, how we go about
44:53
Speaker 2: our day. That's the second one. The third is relationships
44:58
Speaker 2: and community, how we can connect and whom we connect with.
45:02
Speaker 2: And the fourth primary medicine is purpose. What moves us,
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Speaker 2: what gets us up in the morning, and what me
45:10
Speaker 2: keep us up past our bedtime. It's literally our reason
45:14
Speaker 2: for living, our vital force.
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Speaker 1: I understand the other ones talk about food. Can't vote
45:22
Speaker 1: food be something not a medicine.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean?
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, tell me that the abuse of food someone
45:32
Speaker 1: who over eats or someone who eats foods that are
45:35
Speaker 1: not healthy.
45:36
Speaker 2: Oh sure, sure. What I mean when I say food
45:40
Speaker 2: is medicine is food is our optimal medicine when we
45:43
Speaker 2: can cultivate food according to our best needs. And in
45:47
Speaker 2: my work, I do what's called constitutional constitutional nutrition. That's
45:54
Speaker 2: an individualized approach that is rooted in the global tradition
46:00
Speaker 2: of Chinese medicine and aria Veda. We're each and every
46:02
Speaker 2: one of us has unique nutritional needs according to our
46:05
Speaker 2: unique constitution. So yes, you know if we're not eating
46:09
Speaker 2: in ways that are supportive for us food, that food
46:13
Speaker 2: may not be medicine for us. But when I talk
46:16
Speaker 2: about and write about it, and we're with people on
46:19
Speaker 2: food is medicine, I help them cultivate and approach to
46:23
Speaker 2: food and eating choices and eating habits that allow them
46:30
Speaker 2: to cultivate food as their best medicine.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now I understand you had alluded to this before
46:38
Speaker 1: when we were talking about the doctors giving enough time
46:41
Speaker 1: to truly listen to those who come to them. Let's
46:44
Speaker 1: understand a bit of the politics and economics of it all.
46:48
Speaker 1: And why do you include all this the politics and
46:51
Speaker 1: economics in your book.
46:54
Speaker 2: I talk about that, and that's in this section that
46:57
Speaker 2: we talked about a little bit earlier, when we talked
46:59
Speaker 2: about alternate of medicine practices that are often marginalized and
47:04
Speaker 2: they're even called alternative because they're not accepted by the
47:07
Speaker 2: mainstream Western medical culture. But the politics and economics creates
47:15
Speaker 2: that paradigm where we treat the disease, the symptom, the
47:21
Speaker 2: illness the person has, not the person who has the disease,
47:26
Speaker 2: symptom or illness. And that reminds me of something that
47:30
Speaker 2: Hippocrates said he's considered the founding or one of the
47:34
Speaker 2: founding fathers of Western medicine. He said, it is more
47:37
Speaker 2: important to treat the person who has that disease, more
47:42
Speaker 2: important to know the person that has that disease than
47:47
Speaker 2: to know the disease that person has. And indeed, when
47:51
Speaker 2: we can truly hear, when we can truly listen, we
47:55
Speaker 2: can come to know the person that has whatever that
47:59
Speaker 2: condition is that they're coming to us with. And that's
48:02
Speaker 2: why I spend a lot of time with the people
48:05
Speaker 2: with whom I partner, and I like to call it
48:07
Speaker 2: a partnership, to know who they are, in their lives,
48:11
Speaker 2: where they've been in their lives, what's important to them,
48:15
Speaker 2: what's challenging to them, what are their passions, what are
48:19
Speaker 2: their struggles, what are their hopes, what are their traumas,
48:22
Speaker 2: what are their life circumstances, Because whatever's going on their
48:27
Speaker 2: body is completely linked, connected, linked, and costly related. A
48:33
Speaker 2: lot of repetitive words there to who they are. So
48:40
Speaker 2: getting to know the person is essential and we can't
48:42
Speaker 2: do that when we're allotted fifteen minute time slots to
48:49
Speaker 2: see a quote patient. And that is the politics and
48:53
Speaker 2: economics of healthcare, because healthcare reimbursement is for most people
48:58
Speaker 2: involves insurance companies, and they reimburse for certain procedures and
49:04
Speaker 2: certain types of visits, and those procedures and visits are
49:07
Speaker 2: based on time. And the more people you can see,
49:12
Speaker 2: the more the insurance company can be built. And that's
49:19
Speaker 2: the unfortunate reality of it. We live in the of
49:23
Speaker 2: all the developed nations, we live in the sickest developed
49:28
Speaker 2: nation in the world and the one that is the
49:31
Speaker 2: costliest in terms of healthcare. And what's hopeful, what we
49:37
Speaker 2: can think about that's hopeful is that, really we have
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Speaker 2: so many powers within ourselves to heal. We talked about
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Speaker 2: the four primary medicines. Those are medicines we can cultivate
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Speaker 2: completely on our own without the need for a practitioner.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes we do need practitioners and healing practices. But we
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Speaker 2: certainly have a disease care system that focuses on the disease,
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Speaker 2: not a health care system that focuses on the health
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Speaker 2: or the wellness.
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Speaker 1: I've known people who define themselves by their illness.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I have too.
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Speaker 1: What does that do when they do that?
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Speaker 2: It keeps them sick?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? M hm, yeah, absolutely, You're a physician, and a
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Speaker 1: physician's primary role is in supporting health. But your book
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Speaker 1: isn't really just about health. It's offering readers a way
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Speaker 1: to navigate life with ease and a way home to
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Speaker 1: inner peace. Why did you choose.
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Speaker 2: That well, because health is just one aspect of our humanness.
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Speaker 2: The health of our physical body, the health and wellbeing
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Speaker 2: of our emotional state, and the whole experience of being
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Speaker 2: human doesn't involve just our physical bodies and our emotional state.
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Speaker 2: But our experiences of life are navigating of life, and
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Speaker 2: health is a reflection of our navigation through life. So
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Speaker 2: I offer tools that are not only relevant to addressing
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Speaker 2: if something that may be going on health wise, whether
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Speaker 2: it's emotional or physical, the tools are navigating whatever we're
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Speaker 2: experiencing in life. These tools I offer for healing are
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Speaker 2: tools that we can use for navigating challenges and relationships,
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Speaker 2: challenges and finances, challenges in the workplace, challenges or confusion
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Speaker 2: in our life path, or challenges with navigating the experience
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Speaker 2: of being human. So it's all connected.
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Speaker 1: What would you hope that readers receive from your book?
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Speaker 1: What's the take home message?
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Speaker 2: Several take home messages The first is that inner piece
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Speaker 2: is your essential nature and that the path there is
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Speaker 2: effortless and simple. Another message is that healing of any
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Speaker 2: condition is absolutely possible, irrespective of what Western medicine tells
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Speaker 2: us about that condition, and that healing involves letting go
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Speaker 2: and surrendering and what I call healing from the inside out.
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Speaker 2: It necessitates a healing internally and emotional healing from the
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Speaker 2: inside out of those mind body connections, those thought emotions
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Speaker 2: that are linked to that condition, if it's a physical condition.
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Speaker 2: I'd also like people to understand that we're all going
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Speaker 2: to leave our bodies. We're all going to die, some
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Speaker 2: of us quickly, some of us slowly. That it's a
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Speaker 2: fact of life. And if we can embrace this and
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Speaker 2: learn to be fearless around it, and I actually offer
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Speaker 2: tools for dealing with a navigating fear that we can
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Speaker 2: we can live with ease, and we can leave with ease,
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Speaker 2: and we can experience life with more joy and less worry.
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Speaker 1: I like that. Live with these and leave with these.
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Speaker 2: I love that, and I've been there, and I'm navigating
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Speaker 2: life myself, so I continue to practice what I preach.
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Speaker 2: Some days I'm better than others in terms of navigating
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Speaker 2: my experience of being in a body and navigating my
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Speaker 2: experience of being a human, navigating this lifetime, this particular lifetime.
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Speaker 2: But I can share with you that when I'm able
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Speaker 2: to use these tools, I've come to a place that
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Speaker 2: is just peaceful and free and lovely. And again, that
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Speaker 2: is our essential nature. And some of us may have
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Speaker 2: never known that that we can feel a place of
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Speaker 2: peace and ease.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely tell us about the organization you founded, Transformational Medicine.
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Speaker 2: Transformational Medicine is the organization that I founded that describes
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Speaker 2: the type of work I do. It's it's an approach
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Speaker 2: to healing that allows us to consider complete transformation from
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Speaker 2: illness to disease, free to cure, complete transformation from suffering
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Speaker 2: to peace. It's a whole person approach to health, to
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Speaker 2: navigating health into navigating life. And I offer health consultations,
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Speaker 2: offer what I call mind body healing sessions. I offer
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Speaker 2: writings as we're talking about, and I offer communities of
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Speaker 2: support both in person and online. So it embodies the
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Speaker 2: essence of my work that we can transform our lives
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Speaker 2: from illness to well being, from suffering to ease.
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Speaker 1: Beautiful, the wisdom and experience of doctor Patricia Musom her
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Speaker 1: book Beyond Medicine, A Physician's revolutionary prescription for achieving absolute
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Speaker 1: health and finding inner peace. Doctor Trish, one more time,
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Speaker 1: please share with our listeners where they can get your
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Speaker 1: book and find out more about everything you do.
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Speaker 2: You can get my book everywhere. Books are sold on Amazon,
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Speaker 2: at Barnes and Noble independent bookstores, at my publisher's website,
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Speaker 2: New Worldlibrary dot com. You can learn more about my
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Speaker 2: work and me, and you can even connect with me
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Speaker 2: is at my website Transformational Medicine dot org. Transformational Medicine
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Speaker 2: dot org.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Trish, thank you so much for joining us and
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Speaker 1: sharing your experience and your wisdom and your big heart.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Victor for having me. It was lovely chatting, and.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm Victor
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Speaker 1: the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.