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The Friend Who Keeps Score · All About Friendships

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  Speaker 1: A Colored Juice Podcast Studio Production presents....
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  Speaker 2: Hustle Studios. $ 7.
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  Speaker 1: 42.
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  Speaker 2: That is the exact number. Do you want to know
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  Speaker 2: what it was for? A cold brew and half an
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  Speaker 2: order of garlic fries from November of last year, 11
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  Speaker 2: months ago. I bought this man lunch on Tuesday, picked
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  Speaker 2: him up from the mechanic three weeks ago, and And yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: he sends me a payment request for $ 7. 42 with a
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  Speaker 2: note that said, settling up from the diner.
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  Speaker 1: What diner?
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  Speaker 2: What settling up? Are we roommates in an Excel sheet?
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  Speaker 2: Are we running a joint corporate audit? Since when does
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  Speaker 2: friendship come with an itemized receipt from the previous calendar year? Apparently,
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  Speaker 2: the statute of limitations on garlic fries is 330 days.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to All About Friendships. I am Edsel. I
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  Speaker 1: am Kam. And I already looked at the screenshot Paul
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  Speaker 1: sent me at 1 in the morning with three exploding
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  Speaker 1: head emojis. Today we are talking about the friend who
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  Speaker 1: keeps score. The person who cheats loyalty like credit card poids,
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  Speaker 1: counts every single favor, and remembers who bought coffee in 2019.
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  Speaker 2: The emotional accountants. The human cash registers. Tonight we are
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  Speaker 2: auditing the audit and I am not rounding down. But first,
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  Speaker 2: calm the stahan because I cannot yell about $ 7 on
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  Speaker 2: an empty heart. How was your week, Edson? Please tell
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  Speaker 2: me nobody sent you an invoice for being nice.
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  Speaker 1: My week was peaceful and directly relevant to your blood pressure.
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  Speaker 1: On Friday night, four of us went out for wood-fired pizza.
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  Speaker 1: Big dinner, appetizers, drinks, dessert. The bill arrived. And before
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  Speaker 1: anyone could even pull out a phone to calculate who
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  Speaker 1: ate three more slices of pepperoni, my friend Marcus just
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  Speaker 1: slapped his card down on the folder. He looked around
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  Speaker 1: the table and said, I got this one. Somebody else
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  Speaker 1: grab the next one whenever we hang out. No breakdown.
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  Speaker 1: No calculating the tax on someone else's sparkling water. Just trust.
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  Speaker 1: And I know for a fact that over the course
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  Speaker 1: of a year, it all evens out. That is what
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  Speaker 1: normal friendship feels like. The currency of the table is connection,
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  Speaker 1: not mathematics.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds like heaven. A magical fairy tale where woodland
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  Speaker 2: creatures split the check by vibes. Because my week was
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  Speaker 2: forensic accounting with a side of betrayal. I went to
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  Speaker 2: help a friend move a heavy oak desk on Wednesday evening.
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  Speaker 2: sweated through my shirt, carried it up two flights of
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  Speaker 2: narrow stairs, dinged my elbow on the doorframe. We finish,
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  Speaker 2: and as I am wiping the dust off my hands,
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  Speaker 2: he looks at me and says, All right, that makes
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  Speaker 2: us even for that ride I gave you to the
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  Speaker 2: airport in May.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, he announced the reconciliation out loud.
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  Speaker 2: He spoke the ledger into existence. In May. That ride
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  Speaker 2: was five months ago, and it was not even out
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  Speaker 2: of his way. He was already driving past the terminal
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  Speaker 2: to visit his aunt. For five whole months, this man
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  Speaker 2: has been walking around carrying that airport run like a
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  Speaker 2: promissory note in his back pocket. He was not asking
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  Speaker 2: me to help him move a desk because we are friends.
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  Speaker 2: He was calling in a debt. The desk was the
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  Speaker 2: repayment voucher.
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  Speaker 1: But the strategy is the scorekeeper right there. The moment
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  Speaker 1: he said that out loud, he erased the generosity of
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  Speaker 1: both moments. The airport ride stopped being a kind gesture
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  Speaker 1: from me. And your menu in labor stopped being a
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  Speaker 1: kind gesture on Wednesday. He has turned two acts of
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  Speaker 1: friendship into a bundle of economy.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. I did not help him because I owed him.
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  Speaker 2: I helped him because his desk weighed 200 pounds and
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  Speaker 2: he only has two arms. Why do people have to
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  Speaker 2: ruin a good deed by stamping paid in full on
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  Speaker 2: your forehead?
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  Speaker 1: Because some people are terrified of being in debt and
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  Speaker 1: even more terrified of being taken advantage of. But before
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  Speaker 1: you stroke out over your moving trauma, let us get
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  Speaker 1: some water into you. You have already said promissory note
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  Speaker 1: and forensic accounting before the ten-minute mark.
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  Speaker 2: Water accepted. Let us define the crime, because the scoreboard
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  Speaker 2: has ruined more friendships than distance ever could.
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  Speaker 1: We back. Paul has hydrated. His blood pressure has dropped
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  Speaker 1: from critical to very... alormic Let us establish the landscape.
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  Speaker 1: What is a scorekeeper and how do we distinguish between
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  Speaker 1: healthy fairness and toxic accounting?
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  Speaker 2: A scorekeeper is someone who views every interaction in a
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  Speaker 2: friendship as a credit or a debit. They do not
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  Speaker 2: experience shared moments. They track deposits and withdrawals. If they
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  Speaker 2: buy you a taco on Tuesday, you have a debt
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  Speaker 2: due by Friday. If you forget to text them back
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  Speaker 2: for six hours, they log a penalty point. Every conversation
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  Speaker 2: is a balance sheet and you are always one audit
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  Speaker 2: away from bankruptcy.
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  Speaker 1: That is the fiery definition. Here is the calm psychological translation.
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  Speaker 1: Healthy friendships thrive on reciprocity. But reciprocity is supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be macroscopic. It is measured in seasons, across years, through
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  Speaker 1: the natural ebb and flow of life. Sometimes you are up,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you are down. In a healthy bond, nobody is
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  Speaker 1: tracking the daily margins. Scorekeeping, on the other hand, is microscopic.
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  Speaker 1: It demands immediate settlement. It treats every single action as
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  Speaker 1: an isolated contract.
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  Speaker 2: And the contract always has fine print. Here are the
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  Speaker 2: three distinct species of scorekeepers I have identified in the wild.
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  Speaker 2: Species number one, the decimal tracker. This is the friend
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  Speaker 2: with the calculator app open before the waiter even puts
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  Speaker 2: the check down. they are calculating the exact penny for
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  Speaker 2: the shared guacamole. If you took one more chip than
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  Speaker 2: they did, they are adjusting the tip ratio.
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  Speaker 1: The decimal track rate is annoying, but at least the
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  Speaker 1: ledger is transparent. Species number two is much more dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: The covert martyr. This is the friend who insists on
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  Speaker 1: doing everything. They insist on driving. They insist on paying
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  Speaker 1: for the hotel room up front. They insist on planning
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  Speaker 1: the entire trip. They wave you off with a big
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  Speaker 1: generous smile and say, do not worry about it. I
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  Speaker 1: love doing this. But secretly behind that smile, they are
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  Speaker 1: writing down every single dollar and every single minute of effort.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the martyr trap. Because six months later, the first
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  Speaker 2: time you disagree about what movie to watch on a
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  Speaker 2: Friday night, the trap door opens. They hit you with,
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  Speaker 2: after everything I did for the trip, after I drove
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  Speaker 2: eight hours in the rain, after I booked the reservation,
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  Speaker 2: you did not give a gift. You laid down bait.
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  Speaker 1: Tha's weaponized generosity. It is giving with strings attached, except
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  Speaker 1: the strings are invisible until they wrap around your neck.
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  Speaker 1: And species number three is the suffer-off champion. This is
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  Speaker 1: the scorekeeper who competes in the Missouri Olympics. You tell
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  Speaker 1: them you are exhausted because you worked nine hours yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: and without missing a beat, they say, try working 14
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  Speaker 1: hours with a migraine while your refrigerator is leaking. Your
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  Speaker 1: pain is never valid because their score on the suffering
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  Speaker 1: board is always three points higher.
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  Speaker 2: If you have a headache, they have a brain tumor.
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  Speaker 2: If your tire went flat, their entire car fell into
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  Speaker 2: a sinkhole. You cannot share your life with someone who
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  Speaker 2: thinks your bad day is an invitation to win a
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  Speaker 2: trophy for agony.
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  Speaker 1: So you have the decimal tracker, the COVID, the moderate,
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  Speaker 1: and the suffer of champion. All three suffered from the
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  Speaker 1: exact same underlying growth. They cannot just be with you.
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  Speaker 1: They have to measure against you. Let us get into
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  Speaker 1: the personal damage. Paul Yud. have an entire archive of stories,
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  Speaker 1: give us the centerpiece.
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  Speaker 2: The centerpiece goes back to my late 20s. I had
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  Speaker 2: a buddy, let us call him Greg. Greg was a
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  Speaker 2: great guy on paper. Funny, smart, always invited people out.
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  Speaker 2: But Greg had what I now recognize as a terminal
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  Speaker 2: case of Invisible Ledger Syndrome. Four years ago, Greg helped
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  Speaker 2: me assemble a massive Scandinavian wardrobe in my bedroom. You
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  Speaker 2: know the kind. 38 wooden panels, 600 screws, and an
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  Speaker 2: instruction manual with zero words. Just pictures of a cartoon
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  Speaker 2: man crying.
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  Speaker 1: Those wardrobes have ended marriages. Taking that on is serious commitment.
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  Speaker 2: It took us five hours on a sunny Saturday afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: I ordered two large pizzas, bought sparkling cider, and thanked
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  Speaker 2: him 47 times. Genuinely thought it was a milestone moment
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  Speaker 2: for our friendship. Fast forward eight months. We are in
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  Speaker 2: a fantasy football league together. Draft night arrives. Greg offers
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  Speaker 2: me a backup running back with a sprained ankle for
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  Speaker 2: my star wide receiver. A completely lopsided, insulting trade.
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  Speaker 1: The sports listeners are groaning right now.
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  Speaker 2: I laughed and said, No way, man. That trade is
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  Speaker 2: terrible for my team. Greg gets completely quiet on the phone. Then,
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  Speaker 2: in the most chilling, calm voice you have ever heard,
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  Speaker 2: he says, After I gave up an entire Saturday to
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  Speaker 2: build your wardrobe, you cannot even help me out in
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  Speaker 2: fantasy football.
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  Speaker 1: No, he did not.
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  Speaker 2: He cashed in the wardrobe for a backup running back.
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  Speaker 2: Equated five hours of sweat and wood glue with a
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  Speaker 2: fictional mobile app roster. And when I told him those
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  Speaker 2: two things had nothing to do with each other, he
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  Speaker 2: went scorched earth. He listed every favor he had done
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  Speaker 2: for me over three years, remembered that he gave me
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  Speaker 2: jumper cables in November of 2021, remembered that he lent
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  Speaker 2: me a folding chair for a barbecue, an entire catalog
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  Speaker 2: of kindness stored in his head, deployed as emotional blackmail
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  Speaker 2: the second he did not get his way.
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  Speaker 1: What did you say to him in that moment?
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  Speaker 2: I was so stunned that my brain rebooted. I just
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  Speaker 2: sat there holding my phone thinking, has every single hangout
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  Speaker 2: we had been in audition? Did he build that wardrobe
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  Speaker 2: because he cared about me? Or did he build it
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  Speaker 2: because he wanted a five-hour coupon he could redeem whenever
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  Speaker 2: he felt like it? It made me look back at
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  Speaker 2: every conversation we ever had and wonder which ones were
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  Speaker 2: genuine and which ones were just him accumulating leverage.
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  Speaker 1: The element deepest ruin on the scorekeeper inflicts. They retroactively
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  Speaker 1: poison your good memories. A memory that felt warm and
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  Speaker 1: generous suddenly feels like a staged loan transaction. You cannot
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  Speaker 1: look back at the Saturday afternoon with the pizza and
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  Speaker 1: the laughs without realizing that that invisibly meteor was running
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  Speaker 1: the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: The meteor was running? That is the perfect way to
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  Speaker 2: put it. And the moment you realize the meter is running,
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  Speaker 2: you can never relax around that person again. Every time
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  Speaker 2: they offer you a stick of gum, your brain goes,
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  Speaker 2: what is this gum going to cost me in six months?
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  Speaker 2: Is this spearmint flavor going to cost me a weekend
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  Speaker 2: helping him paint his garage?
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  Speaker 1: It breeds paranoia, and paranoia... is the absolute death of intimacy.
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  Speaker 1: But now, because fair is fair on this show, I
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  Speaker 1: have to step into the confessional. Because as easy as
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  Speaker 1: it is to point fingers at Greg and his warm,
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  Speaker 1: robin voice, I have been on the other side of
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  Speaker 1: the whistle. Wait.
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  Speaker 2: Calm, Edsel, the Zen master of boundaries. You were a scorekeeper.
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  Speaker 2: Please tell me you kept a spreadsheet. I need this
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  Speaker 2: for my soul.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that is a dangerous setup. That is a test
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  Speaker 1: of character that would make Shakespeare nervous. And I failed
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  Speaker 1: the test. Not openly. I did not throw things or yell.
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  Speaker 1: I smiled, congratulated him, showed up to his housewarming party.
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  Speaker 1: But inside my chest, a scoreboard flickered on. Every conversation
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  Speaker 1: we had for the next year became a quiet, bitter
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  Speaker 1: competition in my mind. Whenever he talked about how stressful
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  Speaker 1: his new job was, I would immediately shut down emotionally.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, you have no right to complain. You make
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  Speaker 1: twice what I make. You have weekends off. Your life
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  Speaker 1: is easy.
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  Speaker 2: The Silent Courtroom You were the judge, the jury, and
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  Speaker 2: the stenographer.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And you started leaking out in tiny parts of
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  Speaker 1: basic drafts. And we say, Nat, I had the second
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  Speaker 1: meeting since I was six in the evening today. And
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  Speaker 1: instead of saying, that sounds draining, I was dealing with,
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  Speaker 1: must be nice to wrap up by six. Some of
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  Speaker 1: us were on our second shift until midnight. Or you
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  Speaker 1: would talk about going to Anak's skill fest on And
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  Speaker 1: I would make a snide comment like, oh, well, when
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  Speaker 1: you have corporate money to burn, I guess that is
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  Speaker 1: called elite.
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  Speaker 2: Ouch. The needle jabs. The passive-aggressive paper cuts.
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  Speaker 1: It was awful. And the turning point came about eight
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  Speaker 1: months in. We were sitting on the tailgate of this
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  Speaker 1: truck after grabbing burritos, and he turned to me with
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  Speaker 1: this exhausted look and said, Edsel? Why does it feel
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  Speaker 1: like every time I talk to you lately, I have
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  Speaker 1: to apologize for doing well? Why does hanging out with
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  Speaker 1: you feel like a competition when I'm not allowed to win? Wow!
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  Speaker 2: He called you out directly.
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  Speaker 1: I think back in the ways. I like Nassius by
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  Speaker 1: Tractors of the Coriuri. They aren't on my mind, I think,
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  Speaker 1: every way. And then Nida Sankar, his affinities, will set
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  Speaker 1: a first in a set. And he hit John up
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  Speaker 1: every date. But it is the sign of supply-fail-technique. A
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  Speaker 1: narcissist is the shark with the interior of the igra-balsi-dele.
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  Speaker 1: A disease will activate. If he had more money and
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  Speaker 1: more success, then I had to have more suffering and
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  Speaker 1: more moral grit. I turned to my best friend and
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  Speaker 1: didn't oppose him just so I could protect my young,
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  Speaker 1: fragile ego.
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  Speaker 2: That takes real guts to admit. How did you fix it?
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  Speaker 1: I had to sit there and eat that swallow burrito,
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  Speaker 1: swallow my pride in telling the truth. I told him,
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  Speaker 1: you are right. I have been jealous. I have been
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  Speaker 1: comparing our lives. I have been making you pay for
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  Speaker 1: both instructions. I'm sorry. Ever met them all? Whenever that
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  Speaker 1: ugly little comparison voice whispered in my ear, I made
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  Speaker 1: a conscious choice to shut it down. If you cannot
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  Speaker 1: celebrate your friend when they are winning, you're nope, their friend.
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  Speaker 1: You're just fine. You turned into my hater.
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  Speaker 2: Man, that is heavy. But here is where we have
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  Speaker 2: to have our debate, because I agree with you that
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  Speaker 2: jealousy and petty invoices are toxic. But what happens when
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  Speaker 2: the scoreboard is not in your head? What happens when
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  Speaker 2: a friendship is genuinely, objectively lopsided? If I am the
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  Speaker 2: one who always pays for dinner, always drives across town,
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  Speaker 2: always listens to their problems for two hours, and they
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  Speaker 2: never once return the favor. Am I keeping score by noticing,
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  Speaker 2: or am I just not being an idiot?
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  Speaker 1: There's a massive difference between noticing an imbalance and maintaining
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  Speaker 1: a scoreboard. Noticing an imbalance is about health and self-respect.
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  Speaker 1: You look at the dynamic and realize, I am pouring
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  Speaker 1: into a bucket with a hole in the bottom. That
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  Speaker 1: is a diagnosis. Scorekeeping, however, is not about health. Scorekeeping
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  Speaker 1: is about keeping the other person in debt so you
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  Speaker 1: can maintain power over them.
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  Speaker 2: But do you not need the receipts to prove the imbalance?
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  Speaker 2: If I go to a friend and say, hey, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like this relationship is one-sided, the first thing they
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  Speaker 2: are going to ask is, what do you mean? And
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  Speaker 2: if I do not have the examples ready, if I
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  Speaker 2: cannot say, well, I drove you to the airport in May...
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  Speaker 2: and I bought lunch on Tuesday, and I helped you
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  Speaker 2: move your wardrobe, then I look like I am making
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  Speaker 2: things up. The receipts are my evidence.
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  Speaker 1: And that is precisely where you lose the plot, Paul.
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  Speaker 1: The moment you show up with an itemized list of
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  Speaker 1: your all-good deeds, you transform a conversation about emotional connection
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  Speaker 1: into a courtroom trial. The other person immediately gets defensive
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  Speaker 1: because nobody likes being audacious. Now, instead of talking about
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  Speaker 1: how you feel disconnected or unappreciated, you are arguing about
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  Speaker 1: whether the garlic fries from last November count as a
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  Speaker 1: full lunch or a snack.
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  Speaker 2: The garlic fries count. There was a only.
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  Speaker 1: You see, You are already litigating the AOLI. You are
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  Speaker 1: missing the forest for the French fries. If you have
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  Speaker 1: to present plenty pieces of documented evidence to convince someone
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  Speaker 1: to treat you with care, the French paper is already over.
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  Speaker 1: You do not need a spreadsheet to justify having boundaries.
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  Speaker 1: You simply say, I have been living green lately, and
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  Speaker 1: I need more balance in how we show up for
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  Speaker 1: each other. If they care about you, they will hear
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  Speaker 1: the emotion behind the words. If they do not care,
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  Speaker 1: 30 receipts will not change their mind.
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  Speaker 2: That is annoyingly wise. Because when I think about Greg
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  Speaker 2: and the wardrobe, the reason I got so furious was
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  Speaker 2: not because he remembered the wardrobe. It was because he
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  Speaker 2: used something that was supposed to be love as currency.
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  Speaker 2: The second love becomes currency, the exchange rate is always terrible.
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  Speaker 1: In bankruptcy spirit, in a real friendship, giving should be
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  Speaker 1: an act of completion, not an act of investment. When
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  Speaker 1: you help someone, the reward is helping them and enjoying
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  Speaker 1: their company. If you are only giving because you expect
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  Speaker 1: a future payout, you are not being a good friend.
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  Speaker 1: You are an investor buying shares in human obligation.
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  Speaker 2: An investor buying shares in human obligation. Write that down.
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  Speaker 2: That is going on a canvas above my desk because
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  Speaker 2: that is exactly what it feels like when someone calls
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  Speaker 2: in an old favor. It feels like a corporate acquisition
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  Speaker 2: of your free time.
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  Speaker 1: Time for the mirror segment. Last week, people were squirming
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  Speaker 1: in the seats of our favors. And tonight, we are
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  Speaker 1: putting this spotlight on your own internal ledger. Here are
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  Speaker 1: five unmistakable signs that you are running an active scoreboard
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  Speaker 1: in your friendships, whether you admit it or not.
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  Speaker 2: Howdy. I am already nervous. Give us sign number one.
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  Speaker 2: Sign number one, the zero balance panic. If someone does
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  Speaker 2: something nice for you, applies your coffee, brings their souvenir,
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  Speaker 2: pays for your parking, you cannot just say thank you
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  Speaker 2: and enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: You feel immediate suffocating anxiety until you find a way
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  Speaker 1: to repay them within 48 hours. You cannot tolerate main
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  Speaker 1: and emotional debt. Because you assume they view you the
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  Speaker 1: same transactional way you view them.
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  Speaker 2: Guilty as charged. If you hand me a $ 10 pastry,
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  Speaker 2: I am buying you a $ 12 latte within 20 minutes
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  Speaker 2: just to clear the screen.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was being polite. That is not politeness, Paul.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: That is an inability to receive grace. When you refuse
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to let someone give to you without immediately paying them back,
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  Speaker 1: you roll them of the joy of giving. You turn
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  Speaker 1: that gift into a bill you have to settle. Sign
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  Speaker 1: number two. The anniversary of slights. You remember the exact month, location,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and circumstances of minor offenses that happened two years ago.
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  Speaker 1: If someone is 15 minutes late to lunch today, your
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: blank immediately pulls up the file from October of 2024
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: when they were 20 minutes late to a movie. The
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  Speaker 1: Historical Archive of Petty Crimes. You keep the file warm
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  Speaker 1: in the filing cabinet of your mind. Exactly. Sign number three.
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  Speaker 1: The conditional. Yes. When a friend calls you asking for
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: a favor, your first thought is not, do I have
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the time and energy to help? Your first thought is,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: what have they done for me lately? Or what can
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  Speaker 1: they do for me in the future? If the ledger
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  Speaker 1: is not in your favor, you say no out of spite.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that is cold. That is mercenary behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Sign number four, the beauty celebration. When your friend shares
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  Speaker 1: massive good news, an engagement, a raise, a new apartment,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a marathon finish, your very first physical sensation is a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: tight knot in your stomach. You feel an involuntary wave
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: of a comparison before you can muster a congratulations. And
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: sign number five, Side number five, the nuclear ledger and arguments.
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  Speaker 1: Due to a routine minor disagreement, you said in the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Unleashed catalog of past sacrifices that the other person that
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: made you knew you were talking. You say things like,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I drove two hours to see your band play in 2022,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and you cannot even hope you'll pick up my direct getting.
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  Speaker 1: You reveal that your kindness was never free, it was collateral.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: If three out of those five hit you, put the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: whistle down and take off the referee jersey. You are
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: not officiating a game. You are ruining your relationships.
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  Speaker 1: So how do we break the habit? How do we
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: transition from a transactional ledger to genuine AmiMusic connection? Here
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  Speaker 1: is the first step after do.
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  Speaker 2: Step one, better involve an actual fire because I want
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: to burn some fictional invoices right now.
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  Speaker 1: Set one is unrecorded generosity. For the next 30 days,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: do small, thoughtful things for your people and deliberately forbid
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: yourself from remembering them. Buy the coffee and do not
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: mention it. Send the helpful link and do not check
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: if they read it. Get a compliment with zero expectation
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: of return. Train your brain that giving is the entire event.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: There is no second act where you collect a prize.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. Give and delete the receipt immediately. What
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: is step two?
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  Speaker 1: Step two is radical acceptance of gifts. The next time
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: a friend offers to pick up the tab or drives
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you home or helps you carry something heavy, look them
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  Speaker 1: in the eye, smile, and say, Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: I really appreciate you. And then stop talking. Do not
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  Speaker 1: reach for your wallet. Do not offer to pay the tip.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Do not say, I owe you one. Sit in the
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable warmth of being loved without paying for it. Let
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: them have the blessing of being generous.
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  Speaker 2: That is going to feel like torture for the first
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: three times, but it is necessary medicine. And step three?
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  Speaker 1: Step three is adjust the Caesar of the ledger. If
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you are genuinely feeling exhausted in a friendship, sit down
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: with that person and speak from your own capacity. Do
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: not bring a list of what they failed to do. Say,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I have been feeling overwhelmed lately and I do not
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: have the bandwidth to carry as much as I have
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: been carrying. Can we talk about how we can support
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: each other better? Focus on the future health of the bond,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: not the past balance of the account.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: And my personal edition, One Team, One Dugout. When your
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: friend hits a home run, you do not sit on
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the bench grumbling that you only hit a single. Their
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: run goes on the team board. If my boy wins,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: my squad wins. When Edsel gets a win, Paul gets
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a win. We share the victory. The moment you divide
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: the dugout into two competing teams, you have already lost
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: the game.
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  Speaker 1: One team, one dugout. That is how a friendship survives decades.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: You throw away the scoreboard, you put your glove on,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and you play the game together. Thailand's a time. After
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: spending 40 minutes arming our emotional finances, we have the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: most beautiful appropriate show to spotlight today. We are shouting
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: out the Wallet Whisperer.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: The Wallet Whisperer. Tell me this is about actual money
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: and not emotional trauma.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: It is about a good practical money. Financial news, what
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: broke and done for regular people. Investing, saving, and side
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: hustles made simple, accessible, and completely digestible. Because here is
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the philosophy. If you love spreadsheets, if you love tracking
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: every single cent, if you love calculating return on investment,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: do it with your bank account, not with your best friends.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Keep the forensic accounting where it belongs. Put your
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: ledger in a high-yield savings account, let the compound interest
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: work for you, and leave the $ 7 coffee receipts in
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: the trash can where they belong. The wallet whisperer. Go
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: follow it, go listen, get your money right, and let
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: your friendships breathe free of charge. Real talk as we
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: wrap up. If this episode made you squirm in your seat,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: if you realized you have been holding onto an old
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: favor like a get out of jail free card, or
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: if you have been feeling bitter because your friend is
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: having a winning season, today is the day you burn
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: the scoreboard. Send a text to a friend you have
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: been quietly competing with. Tell them you are proud of them.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Tell them you love seeing them win. No qualifiers, no
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: passive aggressive asterisks, just pure unmeasured support.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: If this podcast is helping you navigate the messy, beautiful
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: reality of adult friendships, take 30 seconds right now, hit follow,
• 27:33
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• 27:36
  Speaker 1: person in your life who always insists on splitting the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: bell down to the last penny. Or better yet, send
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: it to the friend who pooped up the tab last
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: week and say, I'm not paying you back today, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: am just saying thank you.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Next time on All About Friendships, group chat politics, the
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: side chats, the screenshots sent to the wrong thread, the
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: friend who goes silent for three weeks and then drops
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: a bomb at two in the morning, and the unwritten
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: rules of how to exit a group chat without starting
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: a civil war.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Group chat politics is going to end three different group chats.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: And I am already looking forward to the wreckage. Until
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: next time, burn the ledger, trust your people, and let
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: generosity do the math. Good night, everybody. Good night. Throw
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: away the calculator.