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The Trinidad Tradition We Can’t Afford to Lose | Jameel ‘Jappa’ Bisnath · Corie Sheppard Podcast

0:00
SPEAKER_01: Who say what we have in St.
0:02
SPEAKER_01: James is different than we have in India?
0:04
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
0:04
SPEAKER_01: It has no tasa jum in India.
0:06
SPEAKER_01: Pan is the national instrument.
0:08
SPEAKER_01: I love my pan.
0:09
SPEAKER_01: St.
0:10
SPEAKER_01: James is the home of the tasa.
0:11
SPEAKER_01: The largest tasa groups in the world is in St.
0:14
SPEAKER_01: James.
0:14
SPEAKER_01: Use St.
0:15
SPEAKER_01: James as a prime example of how people can live in harmony, unity, love, togetherness.
0:22
SPEAKER_01: You have uh plantations where you have the free persons from slavery.
0:28
SPEAKER_01: And then you have the Indian tears.
0:30
SPEAKER_01: The only day on the plantation you have a day off is hoose day.
0:33
SPEAKER_01: They considered housey.
0:34
SPEAKER_01: The cool it can even.
0:36
SPEAKER_01: They didn't want that togetherness.
0:38
SPEAKER_01: It's not a festival or celebration.
0:40
SPEAKER_01: It's a morning.
0:41
SPEAKER_01: The tattoo represents the tombs.
0:44
SPEAKER_01: I never fall in love with being a common stuff.
0:47
SPEAKER_01: I fell in love with a beautiful woman and I married cheese.
1:11
Corie: Thank you, Pen Oliver.
1:14
Corie: Welcome to the Cory Shopper Podcast.
1:16
Corie: Welcome back to everybody who's been listening.
1:17
Corie: Thank you for all the new people who are tuning in.
1:20
Corie: Today I have with me the general secretary of the St.
1:23
Corie: James Cookerit Community, Hussein Moon Association.
1:27
Corie: How are the Japo?
1:29
Corie: Welcome to the show, sir.
1:30
Corie: Blessing.
1:30
Corie: Mr.
1:31
Corie: Jamil Bizna.
1:31
Corie: People know he has Jameel Bizna or Japo.
1:33
Corie: People know he has.
1:34
Corie: Everybody knows he has Jappa, right?
1:35
Corie: Yeah.
1:36
Corie: Every fellow who tell me from St.
1:37
Corie: James and thing, and I tell him, well, Japo come in tomorrow and he said Japo?
1:42
Corie: Very, very suspect.
1:44
Corie: So I've been everything good.
1:45
Corie: Cool for the hour.
1:46
Corie: I appreciate you taking your time to come out.
1:47
Corie: I know you're fascinating.
1:49
Corie: I can't do that.
1:50
Corie: Long, long time, right?
1:53
Corie: We should date how long childhood was, how long ago it was.
1:58
Corie: Yes, yes.
1:59
Corie: Like anybody who grew up in St.
2:00
Corie: James or who knows St.
2:01
Corie: James knows your involvement in the community.
2:04
Corie: Uh, not just in Hussein, but just as a man in the community, you'll tell me before they bring back jockey and thing the other day, or you're racing jockey in the canal and thing.
2:13
Corie: You know what?
2:13
SPEAKER_01: I was digging a poem in a box and I found it.
2:16
SPEAKER_01: My mom said, Look, look, your match boxes and shit.
2:19
SPEAKER_01: You keep them thing.
2:20
SPEAKER_01: My mommy had everything in a box.
2:22
SPEAKER_01: And when I took it out, I say, boy, and I said I make things a man see me making things.
2:27
SPEAKER_01: And next week I say, we sat a lot of leak in the road.
2:29
SPEAKER_01: Right.
2:29
SPEAKER_01: They say, look, let me throw something, you know.
2:31
SPEAKER_01: But we're planning something, maybe after the hoose come out a day, you know.
2:37
SPEAKER_01: Just do something.
2:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
2:38
SPEAKER_01: Because um, plenty of the youths in the area do understand before the days of Facebook and internet.
2:44
SPEAKER_01: And the video games.
2:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, anything.
2:45
SPEAKER_01: We're listening to video games on all that.
2:47
SPEAKER_01: We fly in kites, making jockey, top, pitching marble.
2:52
Corie: Just confirm something for me now for people who listen to this long time.
2:55
Corie: Which part means a fly kites and St.
2:56
Corie: James in the cemetery.
2:57
Corie: Alright, good.
2:59
Corie: Just let me know that.
2:59
Corie: Just so people know I ain't making nothing.
3:03
Corie: We're playing cricket in the cemetery.
3:05
Corie: We flying kites in the cemetery.
3:07
SPEAKER_01: You understand?
3:08
Corie: You said before you start to make a top race, son?
3:11
Corie: Yeah.
3:12
SPEAKER_01: My son is um 12 in Fatima.
3:15
Corie: Oh, in Fatima.
3:16
SPEAKER_01: One.
3:17
Corie: In for money, no one in.
3:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:18
Corie: So what do you know about top?
3:20
Corie: He knows what you're doing when he's seen you making a top.
3:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
3:22
SPEAKER_01: He um basically always on each sometimes go out.
3:25
SPEAKER_01: I said, go and check that on YouTube.
3:27
SPEAKER_01: You see, man, it's still had them selling on Amazon.
3:29
SPEAKER_01: Seriously, yeah, that top selling.
3:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Adam Link selling, you know what I mean?
3:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:34
SPEAKER_01: So it didn't sound sure gone aside, have it, you know.
3:36
SPEAKER_01: But um basically, if we don't um show the youths what we used to do, our pastimes, those things were just die and actual debt.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: It would be no memory, nothing, no recollection of it, whatever.
3:49
SPEAKER_01: So it don't fade away.
3:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it'll fade away.
3:51
SPEAKER_01: So make your jockey and come out and we advance notice.
3:54
Corie: I used to lose and all small, I'll come out and lose big now.
3:59
Corie: I don't know, I don't know, but I noticed that something is going on with your son.
4:02
Corie: Like you're playing cricket and things still.
4:03
Corie: See, that's an US US.
4:05
Corie: Yeah, yeah.
4:07
Corie: Oh, that good man, that good man, that good man.
4:09
Corie: So you're growing up any traditions, yeah, yeah.
4:11
Corie: Yeah, well, I was looking forward to your comment today because I talk a lot about Hussein and in terms of how much Hussey influenced who I am as a person, basic values that I have now, the way I see the world, and so on.
4:22
Corie: So I wanted that nobody better to than you to come and talk about it.
4:25
Corie: So you since you know yourself, you grew up, we know the bottom of Clarence as being a Hussein.
4:29
Corie: That's where you're born and grew.
4:30
Corie: Yeah, that's that's you from the start.
4:32
Corie: Yeah.
4:32
Corie: So, what would be some of the origins of Husei for people who don't know Hussey at all?
4:36
SPEAKER_01: Right.
4:36
SPEAKER_01: So basically, Hussey as we know it in St.
4:39
SPEAKER_01: James, Trinidad, Hussey, the correct name is the Moham Observance, right?
4:45
SPEAKER_01: Muhammad being the first month in the Islamic calendar.
4:49
SPEAKER_01: Hussey came from India.
4:51
SPEAKER_01: From Iraq, it went to India.
4:53
SPEAKER_01: So basically, it's over 1,340 something years in the world it have Husey.
4:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right?
4:59
SPEAKER_01: Not in Trinidad, any world.
5:00
SPEAKER_01: It sat in Iraq and it spread through the Shia Muslims when they went to India.
5:05
SPEAKER_01: It came from the Uttar Pradesh region to Trinidad.
5:09
SPEAKER_01: When it came to Trinidad, um, basically Indian ship was from 1845 to 1917.
5:17
SPEAKER_01: Right?
5:17
SPEAKER_01: So during that period of time, the East Indians was coming to Trinidad.
5:21
SPEAKER_01: Hussein in St.
5:22
SPEAKER_01: James is unique.
5:24
SPEAKER_01: They had Hussein, Princess Tong, Sandy Grandi, Page, Macbean Village, you name it, Shogonas.
5:30
SPEAKER_01: You had Hussein Takarigua Tana Puna, um, La Coli Street and Lavandel had Husei.
5:35
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay, right?
5:36
SPEAKER_01: Reverse City.
5:37
SPEAKER_01: So it's just located in dentures.
5:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes, and they came to the traditions and they maintained it.
5:42
SPEAKER_01: However, in St.
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SPEAKER_01: James, it never died out.
5:45
SPEAKER_01: It maintained because of the closest of the community.
5:49
SPEAKER_01: St.
5:49
SPEAKER_01: James is one of the closeness community.
5:51
SPEAKER_01: You being a man from St.
5:52
SPEAKER_01: James, you should know that.
5:54
SPEAKER_01: St.
5:54
SPEAKER_01: James, everybody is one.
5:56
SPEAKER_01: It has nothing with religion, it has nothing with race.
5:58
SPEAKER_01: Everybody is one.
6:00
SPEAKER_01: Everybody coming out and supporting everybody thing.
6:02
SPEAKER_01: And that's why it never die out in St.
6:04
SPEAKER_01: James.
6:04
SPEAKER_01: Other being it is a yes, it is a religious observance.
6:08
SPEAKER_01: It is also a cultural fabric of the community.
6:12
SPEAKER_01: Where when you come out for St.
6:13
SPEAKER_01: James, everybody participates.
6:16
SPEAKER_01: You do have to be a Muslim to participate in any observances.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: No, it is not a festival, it is a commemoration.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: You're commemorating the death of Imam Hussein Abbas, his brother, who died in Karbala.
6:29
SPEAKER_01: That battle was fought in the year 680 AD.
6:32
SPEAKER_01: And from that day afterwards, they always remember them.
6:35
Corie: So that was a tradition carried out in India.
6:37
Corie: Follow from Iraq.
6:45
SPEAKER_01: But St.
6:45
SPEAKER_01: James is the largest community who say in the Western Hemisphere.
6:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it is?
6:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
6:51
SPEAKER_01: Right?
6:51
SPEAKER_01: So St.
6:52
SPEAKER_01: James is a very, very huge, I mean, population that participates any who say.
6:58
SPEAKER_01: Now, when you go down the streets, we are not responsible for John public.
7:02
SPEAKER_01: Right?
7:02
SPEAKER_01: We're not responsible for persons consuming alcohol on the pavement, on the road, whatever, people coming out of you.
7:08
SPEAKER_01: However, in St.
7:09
SPEAKER_01: James, we have a relationship with the community.
7:12
SPEAKER_01: We have a relationship with the citizens of the Republic are trying to be a way they know it's a religious thing.
7:17
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
7:17
SPEAKER_01: And they will come, yeah, they will watch it, they will learn, but they will see over time by educating people.
7:23
SPEAKER_01: It does be like a festive something, right?
7:26
SPEAKER_01: Yes, you know, people come out and they respect it.
7:29
SPEAKER_01: People come out, the schools come out if as long as Baywood City falls on a school day.
7:34
SPEAKER_01: People will come out and you know what I mean, bring out the kids.
7:36
SPEAKER_01: Because from day one, Mokrapo girls, Mokrapo boys.
7:39
SPEAKER_01: All the schools from the catchment area, they come out and they they come and they um they view it.
7:44
SPEAKER_01: My mom um passed only two months ago.
7:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, she was 88.
7:48
SPEAKER_01: She went Mokrapo girls, and she sent me as a little girl.
7:52
SPEAKER_01: She knew everybody lining up coming out to see to see who's only West Side Main Road, right?
7:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's I think as children, right?
7:58
Corie: The respect thing you talk about was very real because St.
8:00
Corie: James is a place where and maybe plenty of other communities like that too, where we we involved in anything.
8:05
Corie: If it's a cricket, we play in football, whatever it is, and the religious festivals wasn't any different for us.
8:10
Corie: So the respect that we approach it, where I was never Muslim, but I come and beat drum, and I wouldn't beat drum if I not fasted.
8:16
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's just because I know you growing up in here with us, Tim Kiyu, everybody, everybody, everybody coming and participating.
8:24
SPEAKER_01: We eating boiled food, you eating boiled food too.
8:26
SPEAKER_01: Of course, right?
8:27
SPEAKER_01: Everybody helping each other, everybody assisting, and that made me understand when we go outside, and you you understand certain parts of the world we have so much, I mean, fighting and issues and turmoil.
8:41
SPEAKER_01: We're right in the backyard, we don't have that.
8:44
SPEAKER_01: Everybody just because when it's Diwali, we're going on any park to light them beam.
8:48
Corie: 100%, 100%.
8:49
SPEAKER_01: When it's Christmas, we're going to any Christmas party the only park.
8:52
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
8:53
Corie: But when you bring up the park, like the ball might we play cricket, but like when I go to the country, right?
9:00
Corie: Show the respect when you're going to be man, you're gonna go for your ballish.
9:05
SPEAKER_01: So I I would I say I was always said we are very fortunate that our grandparents, because your, I mean, I mean, I was involved in who said as well.
9:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
9:14
SPEAKER_01: And going with this, I think you want to know them or the rest of them could have.
9:21
SPEAKER_01: So you can fool it, right?
9:22
SPEAKER_01: So you can fool it.
9:24
SPEAKER_01: You can fool it.
9:24
SPEAKER_01: And then going back now and seeing Jim, like Rabbit Pelham, Pelham is a good is a friend of the family, like family, yeah, right?
9:31
SPEAKER_01: So Pelham was a former cutter, man.
9:35
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you come now for who say if you are wrong, yeah.
9:37
SPEAKER_01: I mean you still take a drum and go anyway.
9:39
SPEAKER_01: All right, all right, good.
9:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's still a cutter, so he could still have these stories, you know.
9:47
SPEAKER_01: So we we have people around there where um look like this guy, Calvin, who died, man.
9:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: He used to make all the drums, right?
9:54
SPEAKER_01: So as I explained to somebody, you don't have to be an Indian, you don't have to be a Muslim, right?
10:01
SPEAKER_01: As long as you observe the rules and regulation, the fasting, the rituals to participate in any activities, right?
10:08
SPEAKER_01: Got true, got sure.
10:09
SPEAKER_01: And this is why I believe I'm not casting for other areas in the country, but I could talk for sinships.
10:16
SPEAKER_01: We maintain that cohesive community involvement because we cannot bring out that Tazia by ourselves.
10:25
SPEAKER_01: Me and Shazar, my brother Shazar, or Mike, or son Adams, we we alone can do it.
10:32
SPEAKER_01: Me and Sek who alone can't be drumming unite.
10:34
SPEAKER_01: We need other mental health.
10:36
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
10:36
SPEAKER_01: And I really couldn't do it.
10:37
SPEAKER_01: We need mental fully.
10:38
SPEAKER_01: We need mental poly who say, of course.
10:41
SPEAKER_01: Everybody is so Israeli a community, community involvement.
10:45
SPEAKER_01: So if you come for the last, the first ten days in Moharam, you need various Hussey ads, you will see everybody participating because they will have the different camps.
10:56
SPEAKER_01: You have cookery down hard in place, you have Golhamsa on the Western main road.
11:00
Corie: Yeah, yeah, they're in the Western main road.
11:01
Corie: When I went to Musa last year, I see about six Targas.
11:04
SPEAKER_01: Who's those?
11:05
SPEAKER_01: Right.
11:06
SPEAKER_01: So here happened.
11:07
SPEAKER_01: They have five Targas now, and they have the addition now with the moons, right?
11:15
SPEAKER_01: Now, for many years, many years ago, right here in the Sour area, um, they had three moons and seven tasgers.
11:24
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
11:25
SPEAKER_01: Because if you check the National Archives, um August 28th, 1957, the article read Um Splendid Tazas paradigm the Els Group Main Road and three moons.
11:35
SPEAKER_01: Right.
11:36
SPEAKER_01: Grandi had three moons, Princess and Moon.
11:38
SPEAKER_01: So they do they did now in St.
11:40
SPEAKER_01: James in the 1800s, they had three moons.
11:42
SPEAKER_01: Because the Husse that came to St.
11:44
SPEAKER_01: James came from Macarib.
11:46
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
11:46
SPEAKER_01: And from Macarib, my grandfather born in Macarib.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: I see.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: Right?
11:50
SPEAKER_01: And they came.
11:50
SPEAKER_01: Balma is not your name.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: His name is Ali Hussein, Mamali.
11:54
SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, of course, yes, it's true.
11:55
SPEAKER_01: Right.
11:55
SPEAKER_01: So where Balma come from then?
11:58
SPEAKER_01: Right?
11:58
SPEAKER_01: Like Japan.
11:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like me, right?
12:00
SPEAKER_01: I don't think, right?
12:01
SPEAKER_01: So, but the name stay, right?
12:05
SPEAKER_01: So this is why you know we have brothers in seizures.
12:07
SPEAKER_01: They build Hussein Seizures as well.
12:09
SPEAKER_01: They don't have moons down there.
12:10
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
12:10
SPEAKER_01: Right?
12:11
SPEAKER_01: Many years ago, I think they had six stages down there.
12:13
SPEAKER_01: Right.
12:14
SPEAKER_01: But it comes down to four now.
12:15
SPEAKER_01: Right?
12:16
SPEAKER_01: Home in St.
12:17
SPEAKER_01: James now, we we had the moons, and we'll be bring back one, which is the Abbas moon.
12:21
SPEAKER_01: Because any battle of Karbala, as I said earlier, our next misconception, just clean up the misconceptions where people think.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
12:29
SPEAKER_01: It was never two brothers killing two brothers.
12:31
SPEAKER_01: That's a misconception.
12:33
SPEAKER_01: Imam Hassan died 10 years before Hussein.
12:37
SPEAKER_01: But any battle of Karbala, it was three brothers.
12:40
SPEAKER_01: It's Hassan, Hussein, and Abbas.
12:42
SPEAKER_01: Abbas and Hussein were the ones that were killing Karbala.
12:45
SPEAKER_01: This is why we brought back, we reintroduced, in fact, the Abbas moon, which was just a lawsuit through history.
12:52
SPEAKER_01: Right?
12:53
SPEAKER_01: Because other parts of the world have it.
12:55
SPEAKER_01: Right?
12:55
SPEAKER_01: So that was that's a kind of misconception.
12:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, an exconception, this is not a festival or celebration, it's a mourning, they're mourning the death.
13:03
SPEAKER_01: So the tajas represent tombs?
13:05
SPEAKER_01: The tombs.
13:05
SPEAKER_01: The tajas represent the tombs.
13:08
SPEAKER_01: We cannot visit our ancestors when they left.
13:10
SPEAKER_01: They could not visit Karbala or Iraq.
13:12
SPEAKER_01: Why we Karbala is located in Iraq.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: So this is why they build the the replica tombs, the mausoleums, or the Tajir, the Taziah.
13:19
SPEAKER_01: Right.
13:20
SPEAKER_01: Already Tajia.
13:21
SPEAKER_01: Tajah is the is the replica tomb.
13:23
SPEAKER_01: Now, the correct name is the Hussein procession.
13:26
SPEAKER_01: But in Trinidad, once again, they call the name Hussein.
13:29
SPEAKER_01: So that's the Hussein procession.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, really the Hussein procession, right?
13:33
SPEAKER_01: And Hussein came about.
13:35
SPEAKER_01: Now, persons were killed commemorating Hussein in 1884, October 30th, 1884, the Hussein riots or the Hussein massacre that took place in San Fernando, where the colonial powers at the time made an instruction where they ban Huse from coming out of the plantations.
13:52
SPEAKER_01: For what in the early days, the historians tell you, they considered Hussey the coolie cannival, right?
14:01
SPEAKER_01: Because they didn't want that togetherness.
14:03
SPEAKER_01: Remember, safety was abolished in 1834.
14:06
SPEAKER_01: So you have uh plantations where you have the free persons from slavery, sure, and then you have the indenters.
14:14
SPEAKER_01: The only day any plantation you have a day off is Husey Day.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: So you looking at any island, you have 120 people, any police force.
14:23
SPEAKER_01: And in one plantation, you have 30,000 people joining up with the other brothers and sisters, the freed slaves.
14:29
SPEAKER_01: That's a threat.
14:30
SPEAKER_01: That's a threat.
14:31
SPEAKER_01: And that's happened throughout.
14:32
SPEAKER_01: So them tell yourself now, they look at it as nah, or they're not staying.
14:36
SPEAKER_01: And they said, Well, no, we're not staying in.
14:39
SPEAKER_01: And this is how the riot took place in 1884.
14:44
SPEAKER_01: But before that, on King Street, King Street, which is present-day Independence Square, when the houses was coming on from La Cooley Street and Lavantil.
14:55
SPEAKER_01: And who said Billing in St.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: James.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: So where they used to go now, they used to go with the Riverside Plaza.
15:01
SPEAKER_01: Because the toll gates.
15:02
SPEAKER_01: And the houses used to go up there.
15:04
SPEAKER_01: Any 1800s, we hooked 1860 something.
15:08
SPEAKER_01: David was wrong.
15:10
SPEAKER_01: So what happened is the first time they went to Queen's Royal College ground is around 1860.
15:19
SPEAKER_01: Now that it never had Queen's Royal College ground.
15:22
SPEAKER_01: That was the government farm.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: Right?
15:24
SPEAKER_01: And when they built Magnificent 7, they moved the government farm to Val Sean.
15:31
SPEAKER_01: Right?
15:32
SPEAKER_01: Because you said pay a dollar, a dollar for you can carry 10 cows for a dollar to graze.
15:37
SPEAKER_01: Right?
15:37
SPEAKER_01: So Sinclair, right?
15:40
SPEAKER_01: So up to today, you will see every year, we get permission to go and do the prayer in that same spot, that parcel of land.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: Right?
15:51
SPEAKER_01: Now, our not a charter was signed by the British governor at the time, right?
15:56
SPEAKER_01: Granting permission for the persons from the St.
16:00
SPEAKER_01: James area to conduct their prairie ritual.
16:02
SPEAKER_01: So that's really the turning point.
16:04
SPEAKER_01: So that route that we use all the days and nights for who say that ever so since the Sadabel Hussein.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: Really?
16:12
SPEAKER_01: Right?
16:13
SPEAKER_01: So in basically saying 1850 and 1860, that is the same route.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: You realize the moons the red and green will meet in front of KFC.
16:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what it was.
16:25
SPEAKER_01: Many years ago, I think that was Carrier Bar, right?
16:28
SPEAKER_01: And before that, they had a next place there.
16:31
SPEAKER_01: But the reason being the Romeo Street is south of Romeo Street, which is Mukrapa Road.
16:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
16:37
SPEAKER_01: They had plenty barrack housing down there.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: In the early days, in the 1800s, they have over 40 families building who's censorships.
16:45
SPEAKER_01: We have 40 families.
16:46
SPEAKER_01: And they have three moons.
16:47
SPEAKER_01: So at the end of the day, they meeting them.
16:50
SPEAKER_01: They have the meeting points.
16:51
SPEAKER_01: So cooker with coming up with whoever the families from the West.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: The ones coming up there.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: And then Nizam Street now, remember you never had no Mukrapo cemetery.
17:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
17:01
SPEAKER_01: Just imagine Mukrapo Cemetery as an open land field.
17:04
SPEAKER_01: Right?
17:04
SPEAKER_01: And south of that barrack house and close border in the swamp.
17:09
SPEAKER_01: So Mukrapo Cemetery was open um May the 17th, 1926.
17:15
SPEAKER_01: This year was 100 just for that cemetery, in fact, right?
17:17
SPEAKER_01: Western cemetery that was open August 1st, 1900.
17:21
SPEAKER_01: Right?
17:22
SPEAKER_01: So those are the two main cemeteries in citieships.
17:24
SPEAKER_01: And we just going back there where most of the East Indian after indentureship, plenty of them will get left stranded.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: You have no family, you have no way of going back home because they're making you have no money to go back home.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: Where you end up on the street.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: That you now end up making the house of refuge.
17:43
SPEAKER_01: Right.
17:43
SPEAKER_01: People are the house of refuge.
17:44
SPEAKER_01: People are going to stay in.
17:46
SPEAKER_01: And then all the opening cemetery now.
17:47
SPEAKER_01: So when you die, you go up there.
17:49
SPEAKER_01: So that was considered the pauper cemetery.
17:51
SPEAKER_01: Western?
17:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: Right.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: Being the pauper meaning the colonial powers at the time they say, look, they don't want it.
17:58
SPEAKER_01: Of course, it's separation.
17:59
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna bury the course.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: So this is why now in Sinj, we have certain turning points.
18:04
SPEAKER_01: So that's why the corner room you street, the junction of Salaza to the North Room, you to the south.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: Because that's the meeting point.
18:11
SPEAKER_01: Everybody meeting at that location.
18:13
SPEAKER_01: Right.
18:14
SPEAKER_01: The old post office.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: When we say we came at the old post office or batter corner, yeah.
18:18
SPEAKER_01: That is that imagine us at Nizam Street.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: So so around that area there.
18:23
SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna turn there because we had other targets coming up Nizam Street now.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: So that was an area where they maintained and that route stay.
18:31
SPEAKER_01: They will say they now where we go the food at this.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: We go up 79 road, down Mary Street, if at 330.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: So half past three, they will say, could be wherever time that coincides with the time Imam Hussein was killing Carabala.
18:46
SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
18:47
SPEAKER_01: Exact moment.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: This is why a man asked my time.
18:51
SPEAKER_01: Why can I bring up who say boy earlier?
18:54
SPEAKER_01: I see no.
18:55
Corie: I used to think that Big Music only was tired while he was sleeping late, but he was coming out so late.
19:01
SPEAKER_01: So the nights now we realize the procession, they will leave from like 10 30 to 3 30.
19:08
SPEAKER_01: But the main rituals is really done between our time.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that certain things had happened, so that's why you're recreating that.
19:14
SPEAKER_01: And who say, I mean, we get his support throughout the years, I mean, from the TTPS, right?
19:20
SPEAKER_01: Because they know we cannot take care of ourself in our way.
19:22
SPEAKER_01: It has no incident, it have no they help with traffic management.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: Right?
19:27
SPEAKER_01: Because everybody have a each huser now have a headman.
19:30
SPEAKER_01: Headman came about now.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: Many years ago, in a Muslim home, it will have a head.
19:36
SPEAKER_01: Right.
19:37
SPEAKER_01: Right?
19:37
SPEAKER_01: Or or the clan.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: They will have a head.
19:39
SPEAKER_01: He in charge.
19:40
SPEAKER_01: Maybe the oldest one, or not necessarily the oldest, but the man with the knowledge, the man with the expertise, he may be man with the finance.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: It's money.
19:49
SPEAKER_01: It costs money to build these six.
19:51
SPEAKER_01: Right.
19:51
SPEAKER_01: So that again, it have some friends of the family.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: They will come every year.
19:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:57
SPEAKER_01: We'll have 500.
19:58
SPEAKER_01: All this, whole that.
19:59
Corie: So for funding first, you usually get sponsors and public funding and things.
20:04
SPEAKER_01: Well, many years ago, I mean, we did, we used to apply it to the government.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: That kind of just we just again.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: Right.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: Um, the the at the time the families decided we handling it.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: And where do that come from?
20:17
SPEAKER_01: Like culture?
20:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, many years ago that was from culture.
20:20
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
20:20
SPEAKER_01: Now it is a Junior Williams.
20:21
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
20:23
SPEAKER_01: It's all that that era, right?
20:24
SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: But um, the families uh says for me, we be they got up because I say, we bill any we say.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: So it's our responsibility is a dig in my pocket billet.
20:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just make sure that right?
20:35
SPEAKER_01: I'd rather go and ask a neighbor.
20:38
SPEAKER_01: Contribute to you, right?
20:39
SPEAKER_01: I don't really support that.
20:41
SPEAKER_01: If somebody comes on their own and want to give a contribution, fine.
20:46
SPEAKER_01: Of course, yeah.
20:46
SPEAKER_01: Contribute and we say, okay, we're buying four skin for these drums, or vice versa.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
20:51
SPEAKER_01: Gotcha, gotcha.
20:51
SPEAKER_01: Like that way.
20:52
Corie: And I would usually see jerseys with like solo or the elements like the responsible.
20:55
SPEAKER_01: Solo is the ones that they they are one, that is one corporate entity, forever grateful to them.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: Every year, we don't have to ask them, not a letter.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: They call us, hey, put on a list, what colour you want?
21:09
SPEAKER_01: And they bring in jerseys and high thousands.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:15
Corie: And everybody wants a jersey.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: So that is it.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: So solo do that.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes now, like the baby now.
21:23
SPEAKER_01: Um, so we give solo that baby city.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: Because that's where you're getting the most visibility.
21:29
SPEAKER_01: And they will say night now.
21:30
SPEAKER_01: Well, sometimes people may, I might do some jerseys for the ARDA.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: We just come out, you know what I mean?
21:34
SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
21:35
SPEAKER_01: I don't know my leg for my company, right?
21:36
SPEAKER_01: My pest country.
21:37
SPEAKER_01: I I would just as we, right?
21:39
SPEAKER_01: And we just come out, you know what I mean?
21:41
SPEAKER_01: So, but basically, um, the next thing with Husseys we were talking about the the involvement with the members of the public, right?
21:51
SPEAKER_01: I do lectures at the Center Festival and Creative Arts, do we, as a guest lecturer.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, they have Hussey as one of the main.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Topics, Hussein and Ram Leela.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: So I do who say where um if they're doing the degree program, who say is one of the main topics.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: Many years ago, um, we had negotiation with CXC and they had Hussey as well in the syllabus teaching with Hussey, whatever.
22:15
SPEAKER_01: Because you had to teach more Caribbean history, right?
22:19
SPEAKER_01: Because who say what we have in St.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: James is different than we have in India.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
22:24
SPEAKER_01: It had no Tasha drum in India.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: No, right?
22:27
SPEAKER_01: It's Tasha, a Tasha drum.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: They play different.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: See, right?
22:31
SPEAKER_01: Holy Bollywood movie, you never see how I beat it.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: Now it came.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: No, that's the thing.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: That was that was a big argument here then.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: I told them, I said, listen, pan is we national instrument.
22:41
SPEAKER_01: I love my pan.
22:41
SPEAKER_01: I can't play pan, but I behind all says.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: I don't miss pan my mouth.
22:45
SPEAKER_01: I thought we can play.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: I go in my pan.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: I go in my pan.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: I go miss pan.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: Me and my wife, we go pan.
22:53
SPEAKER_01: Right?
22:53
SPEAKER_01: August 10th, we did in tongue.
22:55
SPEAKER_01: Pan day, right?
22:57
SPEAKER_01: Anything we did when they launched Pan.
22:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:59
SPEAKER_01: I don't miss my pan.
23:00
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
23:01
SPEAKER_01: My son does play with um he started form one with his party more.
23:05
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he likes he pan.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:07
SPEAKER_01: And and the easy thing is about it's cultural.
23:10
SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure, sure.
23:11
SPEAKER_01: You know what it's a culture.
23:12
SPEAKER_01: Tasa was um it came along with India.
23:17
SPEAKER_01: It came as a Tasha drum.
23:19
SPEAKER_01: It became the TASSA in thing.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: Yes, we we brought it to how it is now, right?
23:25
SPEAKER_01: We real additions and whatever, whatever.
23:28
SPEAKER_01: But I wouldn't say TASA is not unique to Trinidad alone.
23:35
SPEAKER_01: That's my own.
23:40
SPEAKER_01: So, but pan, we think.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: Well, I see that become a big debate.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: I was talking to somebody about the and I tell them plain because people call me as the association, like, all is he home at thing?
23:51
SPEAKER_01: I say, yes, since he home tasks.
23:54
SPEAKER_01: The largest task groups in the wood is in synchrons.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: Come on, base you have.
23:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, people building beaten from all over.
24:00
SPEAKER_01: Fine, yeah.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: No problem.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: I respect you.
24:02
SPEAKER_01: Is that an instrument?
24:03
SPEAKER_01: We proud to know you're taking it outside wherever, but at the end of the day, try and be hoose.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
24:09
SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course, of course.
24:11
Corie: Well, let me ask you about the just to break down some of the parts of it for people who never see it, right?
24:15
Corie: So understand that the tache represents the two.
24:17
Corie: The two.
24:18
Corie: What the moons represent?
24:19
SPEAKER_01: The moons are built from bamboo, um, grass, right?
24:26
SPEAKER_01: Cloth.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: 100% cotton.
24:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:28
SPEAKER_01: That cloth had a starch.
24:30
SPEAKER_01: That cloth had a iron.
24:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, proper.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: So the moons basically are built in secrecy from ever since.
24:38
SPEAKER_01: Because we built abasmo, we reintroduced the moon.
24:41
SPEAKER_01: Many, many years ago had, right?
24:43
SPEAKER_01: And after we did bring that back just so we had consultation with historians, we had consultation with Maulanas or Shia clerics outside world.
24:52
SPEAKER_01: We they have it in other parts.
24:53
SPEAKER_01: Iraq have it, Lebanon have it.
24:55
SPEAKER_01: So they say, yes, they it existed many years ago.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: Right?
24:58
SPEAKER_01: And then we got footage, all archives.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: We said where they had three moons.
25:03
SPEAKER_01: When we come to we say they had three moons.
25:04
SPEAKER_01: So red, green, black.
25:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the black.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: Black in Islam is mourning.
25:08
SPEAKER_01: Right.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: Right?
25:09
SPEAKER_01: There is a morning.
25:10
SPEAKER_01: So we're like Muslims will go to a funeral.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: Right?
25:13
SPEAKER_01: Black is the colour morning, right?
25:16
SPEAKER_01: So all of us came from black mud.
25:19
SPEAKER_01: Adam was created from black mud.
25:21
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
25:22
SPEAKER_01: So in Islam now, Shia Islam, they commemorate Hussey.
25:27
SPEAKER_01: Now Hussey, as we know it in St.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: James, or Trinidad, unique in its own way.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: Because in the Middle East, they do not have Ataja.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: Right?
25:39
SPEAKER_01: Because the tomb is in Iraq.
25:40
SPEAKER_01: So you don't need them.
25:42
SPEAKER_01: Right.
25:42
SPEAKER_01: So this is why we have it in Trinidad.
25:45
SPEAKER_01: In India, in certain parts of India will do it.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: Lock now.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: Utah paradigm north of India.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: Kashmir is where the more stronger Muslim population is.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: Right?
25:56
SPEAKER_01: Although in certain villages in India, we will have the Hindu brothers and sisters.
26:02
SPEAKER_01: Participants and bilan tasks too.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: Because in the Battle of Karbala, not only Muslims were there, we had a John that he was a Christian and he died in Karbala.
26:15
SPEAKER_01: But he was assisting Imam Hussein, which was the Prophet's grandson, right?
26:19
SPEAKER_01: So then we had two Sikhs that die as well in Karbala.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: It was the Muslims, right?
26:24
SPEAKER_01: So it was really one the battle really was about really standing for truth.
26:31
SPEAKER_01: Hussein being the bloodline of the prophet coming down.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: It was a civil war, basically.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
26:37
SPEAKER_01: Where the Muslim will have the caliph and going down.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: And when Hussein brother Hassan died, they say, well, nah, Hussein, you can't get that.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: And next man come and get.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: But that man was everything against what he drinking.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: He doing everything against the rules.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: Everything.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: Killing Sharon, raping woman.
26:54
SPEAKER_01: He doing thing, everything against.
26:56
SPEAKER_01: Because nothing, nothing as a Muslim, Islam is meaning peace.
27:01
SPEAKER_01: Right?
27:02
SPEAKER_01: A Muslim is a believer.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: You're not believing in the books.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: So we believe in the Old Testament.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: We believe in the the Engine which the Psalms, these are the Psalms.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: We believe in the Engine with the New Testament and the Quran.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: So you can't be a Muslim and you don't believe in the the Old Testament.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can't against that.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: You understand?
27:20
SPEAKER_01: Because the walls.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: And that is where so it's Muslims kill Muslims.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: There was no non-Muslim killing people.
27:27
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
27:27
SPEAKER_01: You understand?
27:28
SPEAKER_01: That is where it happened.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: So that's the next plug once a point where in those days it had a silver one in the Islamic world in the year 680 AD.
27:35
SPEAKER_01: So you see how long that is.
27:37
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how you remember all these dates before that.
27:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that even before Christ was Columbus, right?
27:41
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:42
Corie: So but I again growing up, I remember the Green Moon and the Red Moon.
27:46
Corie: That's the two things.
27:47
Corie: Because in St.
27:48
SPEAKER_01: James, as I say, we the Green Moon, the only part in the world that Imam Hassan has remembered for sure is Trinidad, St.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: James.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: Right.
28:00
SPEAKER_01: Because other parts of the world.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: Because remember, you are remembering the death anniversary basically of Imam Hussein and Abbas.
28:08
SPEAKER_01: Right.
28:09
SPEAKER_01: So we did have the green moon in the commemoration.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: Right.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: Because it was ever since they always had three moons, many, many.
28:17
SPEAKER_01: We're talking about 18, 60 something partner, right?
28:21
SPEAKER_01: So plenty of people, my mother never see the moon.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: My grandfather Balma never see that to the moon.
28:26
SPEAKER_01: He's born in 1900, right?
28:27
SPEAKER_01: So we're talking about that stop in 18 something, right?
28:30
SPEAKER_01: So far back, right?
28:32
SPEAKER_01: Now it have other communities had the other moons, right?
28:37
SPEAKER_01: Now I don't know the colours or the death, right?
28:40
SPEAKER_01: But I know they had um red moon and princess tong, red moon and grandi, right?
28:45
SPEAKER_01: Because red moon is represent Imam Hussein.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: Imam Hussein was killed by bloodshed.
28:51
SPEAKER_01: They cut off his head.
28:51
SPEAKER_01: That's why the red signify the blood.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: The green moon represents Imam Hassan.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: Now he was poisoned 10 years before Karbala.
29:00
SPEAKER_01: His wife poisoned him.
29:01
SPEAKER_01: So it's why the green and blue is for poison.
29:05
SPEAKER_01: The Abbas moon, we know historians will tell us what it was black, right?
29:10
SPEAKER_01: Um black colour mourning.
29:12
SPEAKER_01: And they have the green because the the Abbas had a green turban.
29:17
SPEAKER_01: So because when we did history for other parts of the world, they have that the colour.
29:21
Corie: Right.
29:22
SPEAKER_01: Remember, we are bringing back something where everybody dead.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: And no eyewitness, but you could go by historian, historical facts from other countries.
29:30
SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course, of course.
29:31
SPEAKER_01: And they kind of bring it as close as possible then.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: But no, when that's the moon, before before you go on to the moon, they represent the bodies of the Hussein and this is why they meet or they greet.
29:42
SPEAKER_01: They say they kiss.
29:43
SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah, yeah.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: Now the word they say in in sins, you know, they will say they have a they do the salami.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: Israeli salam.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: So when Jesus met his apostles, peace be unto you.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: So when a Muslim bridge here they say, a salam alike home.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the peace of the Lord be upon you.
30:02
SPEAKER_01: So salami.
30:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: So Daddy, you know, you know, words, you have to get in Trinidad.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course, yeah.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: Well, if you say who said that big doctor they keep turning words and changing words.
30:12
SPEAKER_01: Because, like my grandfather, they name it Balma.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: You understand?
30:18
SPEAKER_01: Because I always grew up small.
30:19
SPEAKER_01: I balma my mother say, you know, my father was Ali who saying.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: So, you know what I mean?
30:25
SPEAKER_01: At the end of the day, now our yard is very unique in St.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: Jim here, Clarence Street.
30:31
SPEAKER_01: We have the Bis Ali, which is we build in the back.
30:35
SPEAKER_01: Clarence Street side.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: On Panka Street side.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: Pancas Street side.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: Then in front, you have the balma.
30:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: And then next to that, now we had the Abba Sun billing right there.
30:41
SPEAKER_01: What's it building Abasoon Belly?
30:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
30:44
SPEAKER_01: So that is the yard.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: And then now, who my us now?
30:47
SPEAKER_01: Each who say village.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: See just have it too.
30:51
SPEAKER_01: There's one area which is considered the local carbala, which is an area where they will do the prayers.
30:56
SPEAKER_01: Remember, many years ago we took a bad amsenize.
30:59
SPEAKER_01: Right.
30:59
SPEAKER_01: That don't my us now.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: Because 15 years now.
31:03
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:03
SPEAKER_01: That was move.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was it wasn't a unilateral decision.
31:07
SPEAKER_01: Because as you said, remember the council of the group of the headmen, right?
31:12
SPEAKER_01: So we have something called the general council, which is the the eight headmen.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: So you have the five Tajas, which is Panchaity, Cockerit, Golhamusin, Balma, Bisali.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: And you have the red moon, green moon, and the other moon.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: And they will, they are the ones.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: So we have a registered association, right?
31:29
SPEAKER_01: We have a constitution, we have bylaws.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: So it's not just a piece of paper.
31:34
SPEAKER_01: We just have one.
31:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
31:38
SPEAKER_01: So this is why other areas in the country don't have that.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: I believe down Crazy, they have groups, but they do have an association.
31:45
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: You know, advise them, they should do.
31:48
SPEAKER_01: Because what happens, you see, when you're negotiating with any state agency, like the TTPS any.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: Then we want to know eight men bringing a letter to Zero.
31:57
SPEAKER_01: Come on.
31:57
Corie: They need a body.
31:59
Corie: It's easier.
32:00
Corie: It's easier.
32:02
SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: So we have that, right?
32:04
SPEAKER_01: So at present, I am the on every tree as we have elections, right?
32:08
SPEAKER_01: So we everything above board.
32:10
SPEAKER_01: You know?
32:10
SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
32:11
SPEAKER_01: Five by night.
32:13
SPEAKER_01: But he involved more in the building of the moon now, or who say or everything.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, Dad, you know, he has his team.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: I mean, with an each team, I should say, everybody.
32:24
SPEAKER_01: He's still walking, he's single.
32:25
SPEAKER_01: He did, he did.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: You know, yeah, you know what I mean?
32:27
SPEAKER_01: The debt mom passed away.
32:31
SPEAKER_01: But he did, you know, he's doing what you have to do.
32:32
SPEAKER_01: I mean, but we had our support because I mean my sister Shereen, she comes down.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, Shazad around, Shazad and his family.
32:39
SPEAKER_01: So it's it's it's not just me alone, right?
32:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my family, Shazad family.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: He does help daddy.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: That daddy called, and he has his friends who could be there with him, you know, helping, whoever.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: Then my son Adam, he has his team at the moon.
32:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, youth man, but they did I mean they are wrong.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: First of all, what we grew up seeing for reading among the 40 days when we believe and dancing, only we dancing moon for July and August.
33:01
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
33:01
SPEAKER_01: So you know what I mean?
33:03
SPEAKER_01: We coming out and just singing, you know, the hoose is gun shooting, it's football, it's whatever, whatever, whatever.
33:11
SPEAKER_01: Everybody eating in wherever you are playing around and there's a shit.
33:17
Corie: So that is just a james.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: Any house you go by, you ain't hungry.
33:20
Corie: No, no, no.
33:20
SPEAKER_01: They go in any yard.
33:22
Corie: And anybody recognize you as just one of the boys in the area.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: Look like you go wrong by the park by sea, one of them, yeah.
33:26
Corie: Of course.
33:27
SPEAKER_00: Except when they go wrong, they they're taken care of.
33:31
Corie: So when you go home, the amount of free B and M and scream meat and everything.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: When you go home, we don't want to study nothing.
33:38
SPEAKER_01: Nah, it's a different way, it's a different world.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: When you go down by match you are the palette, you're getting snacked.
33:42
Corie: Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:43
Corie: So you don't want to study your belly always full.
33:46
Corie: And I didn't see it in a while because I think I stay away, I move around so much, and I came back.
33:51
Corie: So it's just last year.
33:52
Corie: I just happened to be by Carl Jacobs on them, actually.
33:54
Corie: And I know it was big.
33:55
Corie: As some as I some youth men asked me to drop them in St.
33:58
Corie: James, because I never see who say, and that's when I saw how big it is.
34:01
Corie: That's the first time I see the Abbas moon, too.
34:03
Corie: Um, something I want to ask about that before moving from the moon too was the things that adorn the moon, other than the cloth and so on.
34:08
SPEAKER_01: What basically is this the moons, um, the abas moon, the red moon, and green moon, are traditional moons where it's built out of bamboo.
34:18
SPEAKER_01: Right.
34:18
SPEAKER_01: So you cut your bamboo, yeah.
34:19
SPEAKER_01: That's strip the bamboo, it's real okay.
34:21
Corie: And so it's heavy as it's look when all the old.
34:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's heavy, yeah.
34:24
SPEAKER_01: It's heavy, it's heavy.
34:25
SPEAKER_01: And the swords and all them things.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a real blade, isn't it?
34:28
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's real.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:30
SPEAKER_01: The real blade.
34:31
SPEAKER_01: Right?
34:31
SPEAKER_01: So that's why when you see a moon too, then do not play fast and go close, close to what you people think.
34:37
SPEAKER_01: So that's why all of this wrong man is protect, right?
34:40
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
34:41
SPEAKER_01: You ain't see many moon coming from ankles anyway.
34:43
SPEAKER_01: Right.
34:44
SPEAKER_01: No, the moons in battle many years ago, that chain hammer, right?
34:50
SPEAKER_01: The chain hammer serialized is something called the ionies, which is some silver things, right?
34:55
SPEAKER_01: That are sewn on into the moon.
34:56
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
34:57
SPEAKER_01: Then you have something called the dal.
34:58
SPEAKER_01: When they say you say it have five towers in the moon, it's not a tower you're making roots.
35:03
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, no, no.
35:05
SPEAKER_01: It's whatever the new one.
35:06
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
35:07
SPEAKER_01: It's a dal.
35:07
SPEAKER_01: A dal is a breast split.
35:10
SPEAKER_01: I think if we're arrows at men, got you.
35:12
SPEAKER_01: You used to have that.
35:12
SPEAKER_01: Got you.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: So they'll have that on it.
35:14
SPEAKER_01: You have mirrors.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: Many years ago, they put mirrors on the helmet.
35:17
SPEAKER_01: So it's a blinding archers if you're trying to hit you any sun.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: Remember, it's 1861.
35:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's all for 18 walking out.
35:24
SPEAKER_01: I understand arrow and spare and sword.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so if you blind him, you give a chance.
35:29
SPEAKER_01: So this is why, so this is why it it it replicates us so close.
35:33
SPEAKER_01: Remember these things came from India.
35:34
SPEAKER_01: The same design pattern came from Iraq.
35:37
SPEAKER_01: So it's the same pattern.
35:38
SPEAKER_01: Now in India, the same moon we call it in Trinidad, it's called a Sippa.
35:42
SPEAKER_01: Sippa means armor.
35:44
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:45
SPEAKER_01: Right?
35:45
SPEAKER_01: Armour.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: So that makes with like metal plates and it is armor.
35:49
SPEAKER_01: So different parts of the world have different traditions and cultures.
35:53
SPEAKER_01: So this is why in Trinidad, that is our tradition, our culture.
35:58
SPEAKER_01: We make it, we're not.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: So why is that be so heavy?
36:01
SPEAKER_01: Right.
36:02
SPEAKER_01: So basically, it's a form of penance, right?
36:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, where that was told for me.
36:08
SPEAKER_01: The older ones who passed on, eh?
36:10
SPEAKER_01: Right.
36:10
SPEAKER_01: Right.
36:10
SPEAKER_01: Had one, Sidney Karate, also known as Mr.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: Boogie.
36:13
SPEAKER_01: He was from the Punch IT, you say.
36:15
SPEAKER_01: He only died two years ago at the age of 95.
36:17
SPEAKER_01: He had real history, I mean, got things.
36:20
SPEAKER_01: He was telling me, um, the moon is really that penance.
36:23
SPEAKER_01: In other words, people make promises to belisten carry you then.
36:28
SPEAKER_01: So it comes like the way they carrying is the pain and sacrifice who seen went through.
36:33
SPEAKER_01: No water, you're hungry, you're barefoot.
36:36
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
36:36
SPEAKER_01: So it's barefoot, you know.
36:37
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I see.
36:38
SPEAKER_01: Fots is barefoot.
36:40
SPEAKER_01: You make up on that sucks, but that ain't help.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: No, no.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: Right?
36:43
SPEAKER_01: That sucks going through.
36:45
SPEAKER_01: So is weight, is weight, you know, son.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: It is it is weight, you know, son.
36:49
SPEAKER_01: And um, so the moons maintain that.
36:52
SPEAKER_01: Right.
36:52
SPEAKER_01: The moons maintain that that thing.
36:54
Corie: So the same menus again licks long time and they drop the moon on it.
36:57
SPEAKER_01: Two years ago, my grandfather died like about 11.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: My dad's father, and he was from Boneswood, right?
37:04
SPEAKER_01: Well, he originally from um Mary 23 Mary Street, St.
37:09
SPEAKER_01: James.
37:09
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
37:10
SPEAKER_01: Mary Street is present, they commoner street.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: Right.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: And the red moon was from 14 Mary Street, right?
37:17
SPEAKER_01: So this is why um the he I didn't know the old man and Emily tell me that Tamran whip.
37:23
SPEAKER_01: If you drop that, you're getting strokes.
37:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:25
SPEAKER_01: So again, I'm saying.
37:27
SPEAKER_01: So, well, now the moon and really that I mean, I never, I mean, I never I did 18 years old.
37:33
SPEAKER_01: I never see the moon for since I think, right?
37:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me neither.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: So we young fella.
37:37
SPEAKER_01: So I never in my lifetime.
37:41
SPEAKER_01: I never yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:42
SPEAKER_01: But it's a so much men mental.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, see it dipping, right?
37:46
SPEAKER_01: But in those days when the moon fell, my grandfather told me in the early days, he was a young fella.
37:51
SPEAKER_01: He say it's dirt and tram car.
37:55
SPEAKER_01: A dirt road.
37:56
unknown: Yeah.
37:56
SPEAKER_01: When they come along Bonesword, they'd have a ravine, the bones with ravine.
37:59
SPEAKER_01: The bridges by coming in a street corner.
38:01
SPEAKER_01: So the bread moon coming across, you had across Mary Street.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: Come across that wood bridge and come down the western bank of the Bonesworth Ravine.
38:12
SPEAKER_01: So you can't let's go.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: It's not no sewer.
38:15
SPEAKER_01: You understand what I'm saying?
38:16
SPEAKER_01: That is that is I talk about that market some in Woodbrook.
38:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that a market some across asked us another market.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: Woodbrook had the own market.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: Right?
38:25
SPEAKER_01: Woodbrook's like a market, in truth.
38:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's somehow, they know.
38:30
SPEAKER_01: So we're talking about in the early days of the century.
38:32
SPEAKER_01: So I can understand how it dropped it.
38:33
SPEAKER_01: So it's the significance of the spinning.
38:35
SPEAKER_01: Right.
38:36
SPEAKER_01: So in other words, when the moon goes, they go basically 10, 10 or 12 steps forward, eight steps back.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: And it's just so you just keep going forward.
38:46
SPEAKER_01: So you just want to know how the moon is moving when they moon coming back.
38:49
SPEAKER_01: So you go 12 and they come back eight.
38:51
SPEAKER_01: So you always go forward.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but moving it.
38:55
SPEAKER_01: You understand?
38:55
SPEAKER_01: They're moving it.
38:56
SPEAKER_01: Now many years ago now they had something called data.
38:59
SPEAKER_01: That car is a street fighting, like a sick fight.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: The East Indians used to be like a sword, right?
39:06
SPEAKER_01: A sword fight, a theatrical presentation.
39:08
SPEAKER_01: They have a shield, which is a dial, and a piece of wood.
39:11
SPEAKER_01: And they're playing like they think it dies arena when they had the battle.
39:15
SPEAKER_01: Right?
39:16
SPEAKER_01: Now in St.
39:17
SPEAKER_01: James, they had a high madras population, right?
39:22
SPEAKER_01: So the Madras, you know, they came from Madras, Sri Lanka, right?
39:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, my grandmother, my grandmother was madras.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: Right?
39:32
SPEAKER_01: My grandmother was dark, real dark, right?
39:35
SPEAKER_01: My grandfather, no Alice, and he was fair from Loch now, so different, you know what it is, right?
39:40
SPEAKER_04: Of course.
39:40
SPEAKER_01: And so she was a Tangwell.
39:43
SPEAKER_01: She was Roman Catholic.
39:46
SPEAKER_01: But she married into a Muslim home.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: She maintained traditions, right?
39:50
SPEAKER_01: So that was traditional in the early days.
39:53
SPEAKER_01: I could go from my family, right?
39:55
SPEAKER_01: We were only the first families to intermarry with different races, different religions.
40:01
SPEAKER_01: Right.
40:01
SPEAKER_01: My wife is a Roman Catholic.
40:03
SPEAKER_01: So two weddings then.
40:04
SPEAKER_01: Two wedding.
40:05
SPEAKER_01: Muslim wedding, one, one, one, one weekend, goat, and then they have more goat again to eat, right?
40:11
SPEAKER_01: Your father, father, Christo.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: Right?
40:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, Robert's a car and street man.
40:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
40:16
SPEAKER_01: And in Robert's early days, yeah, I mean, he passed you say that too.
40:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, everybody, Dave and Robert, everybody in Cam should ask.
40:24
Corie: Of course, of course, of course.
40:26
SPEAKER_01: Everybody can go say this, it's show you love and togetherness, yeah, and and community.
40:33
Corie: It's like like a playground almost even outside of the table.
40:35
Corie: Everybody just gathered in the case.
40:36
SPEAKER_01: But I'm gonna tell you after we say, I bring him back on the table tennis, but so I will let you know.
40:43
SPEAKER_01: Corey was a big table tennis.
40:44
SPEAKER_01: He beat him right through.
40:46
SPEAKER_01: See cricket and thing.
40:47
SPEAKER_01: We gain him some yorkers and zopping him and thing.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: I think that particularly sorry, so but um he beat any at all.
40:55
SPEAKER_02: I never could do that again.
40:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm making excuses in advance.
40:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm making excuses.
40:59
SPEAKER_00: We make we make um we make we want pool table already.
41:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right to the table, right to the house.
41:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's you everything, everything we playing table tennis, right there, you know.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: Everybody was it's community, you know.
41:11
SPEAKER_01: But the most important thing, I believe, coming out of who say for me is being able to instill that in my children.
41:19
SPEAKER_01: Where I always say that love.
41:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean, love thy neighbours, they love thyself.
41:28
SPEAKER_01: And one thing I can say in the community is that part of singe, like I talk about south of the main road, right?
41:33
SPEAKER_01: Because because plenty of men because I live, yeah, because I live on the northern side of the main road, no, right?
41:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
41:39
SPEAKER_01: No, yes, um, but growing up in St.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: James, most of the activities were south of the main road.
41:46
SPEAKER_01: Racing, jockey, whatever, whatever.
41:48
SPEAKER_01: Although my father did, because my father and them was St.
41:50
SPEAKER_01: James hustlers, the cricket team.
41:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right?
41:53
SPEAKER_01: So them Mr.
41:53
SPEAKER_01: Daway was older than them, and Bill and them fellas, and what I mean.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: Them is them is men when I make my dad born and grew up on Common Street.
42:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so he from my man that side, right?
42:04
SPEAKER_01: So he basically, you know, he he known throughout St.
42:08
SPEAKER_01: James.
42:09
SPEAKER_01: I mean he older St.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: James, right?
42:10
SPEAKER_01: Through who's yeah and thing, whatever.
42:12
SPEAKER_01: But um, I personally um believe that that love, that that appreciation from your neighbors, you know, and you really, you really, I gotta that upbringing.
42:22
SPEAKER_01: Because when I go to other parts of the country, um with my business and all, I do pest control, right?
42:26
SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah.
42:27
SPEAKER_01: And um, when I go to my workers and I go in certain parts of the country, right?
42:33
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
42:34
SPEAKER_01: I just appreciate I say, boy, yeah, boy.
42:36
SPEAKER_01: Tango from Sing Jane, boy.
42:38
SPEAKER_01: It happened to me when I move in different areas.
42:41
SPEAKER_01: It's different.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: It's very, very different.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, different.
42:43
Corie: I think we come from a time where yards was open too.
42:45
Corie: You used to just walk in a man yard and from because I remember time.
42:48
Corie: You just go by some.
42:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, we go by Miss Leno next, or Mr.
42:51
SPEAKER_01: Sellers had two horse.
42:52
SPEAKER_01: Were you growing up?
42:53
SPEAKER_01: Your neighbor had two horse.
42:55
SPEAKER_01: Two horses.
42:58
SPEAKER_00: Somebody have a horse, no yeah.
42:59
SPEAKER_00: You want just peeping over the fence and you're feeding your horse grass and they're beating him.
43:05
Corie: No, but your father, my grandparents, my mother never tell me about the two gyms.
43:08
Corie: People used to have cow chicken thing.
43:11
Corie: It was a common thing back in the day.
43:13
SPEAKER_01: In the 1940s, 1950s, when they've when they pass the the the public health regulations, it's not the face or the ordinance and they ban people from raring livestock, right?
43:23
SPEAKER_01: Because you could still have a cow in here, yeah.
43:27
SPEAKER_01: Not for business, but you can't have 20 oh yeah, you can have one cow, right?
43:33
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, with you, wait here.
43:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I always wanted to do that, yeah.
43:37
SPEAKER_01: Let me test and see the let me trade them.
43:42
Corie: And let me see if they will come, yeah.
43:44
Corie: Just one job away from me.
43:45
Corie: I wonder if she knows about this.
43:52
Corie: Come and talk about this, and just so people get a better understanding of it.
43:54
Corie: And you tell them, like, who says a wrong job?
43:56
Corie: Who says not a fixed date every no?
43:58
Corie: How is it identified?
44:00
SPEAKER_01: Who say the Islamic calendar is 355 days is lunar.
44:06
SPEAKER_01: So the moon will take 29 days or 30 days.
44:10
SPEAKER_01: They're wrong it off, right?
44:11
SPEAKER_01: At 30 days.
44:12
SPEAKER_01: So we know it's ready.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: 29 days the moon will take the goal.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: So this is why every year it's shorter 10 days.
44:19
Corie: Oh, I see.
44:20
SPEAKER_01: Right?
44:20
SPEAKER_01: So it's a lunar.
44:21
SPEAKER_01: So who's saying fix, right?
44:24
SPEAKER_01: They can't say a lunar cycle.
44:26
SPEAKER_01: So you must see the moon.
44:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:27
SPEAKER_01: They must side the crescent.
44:28
SPEAKER_01: So it's about 10 days, but you have to side the crescent.
44:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:30
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
44:31
SPEAKER_01: Right.
44:31
SPEAKER_01: Now we send any application a month before.
44:34
SPEAKER_01: The TTPS regulations, right?
44:36
SPEAKER_01: Two weeks, you suppose, but we send it we advanced, so we'll know how it is.
44:40
SPEAKER_01: So basically, we will just go in when we side crescent to let them know, okay, dizzy days for the road.
44:45
SPEAKER_01: You know, because it's four days, it's three nights and a daily procession.
44:48
SPEAKER_01: Right.
44:48
SPEAKER_01: Flag night is dedicated to Abbas, the standard bearer.
44:52
SPEAKER_01: Abbas never get killed flag night.
44:55
SPEAKER_01: Everybody get killed, Behuse Day.
44:57
SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah.
44:58
SPEAKER_01: Right?
44:59
SPEAKER_01: Everybody thinking.
45:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:01
SPEAKER_01: Right.
45:01
SPEAKER_01: It's starting the procession.
45:02
SPEAKER_01: Now, India, bro, that in India that is where they start that.
45:05
SPEAKER_01: Because in Iraq, they do have that.
45:07
SPEAKER_01: Abbas is honored on Behuse Day.
45:09
SPEAKER_01: What sure?
45:10
SPEAKER_01: He dead Behuse Day.
45:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:11
SPEAKER_01: So there's no flag night on it.
45:12
SPEAKER_01: Right, they don't have that, right?
45:14
SPEAKER_01: So it every we our tradition came from India.
45:17
SPEAKER_01: So it came from Iraq where a man called Timuru.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: Timur was from India.
45:22
SPEAKER_01: He visited Karbala and he just fell in love.
45:26
SPEAKER_01: He ended up converting to Islam.
45:28
SPEAKER_01: Right?
45:29
SPEAKER_01: He was like a king then in that one of these things.
45:31
SPEAKER_01: Right.
45:32
SPEAKER_01: And he was Hindu.
45:33
SPEAKER_01: He converted.
45:34
SPEAKER_01: And he brought body traditions from India.
45:37
SPEAKER_01: From Iraq to India.
45:38
SPEAKER_01: And that is how it spent like a thousand years in India.
45:41
SPEAKER_01: Right.
45:41
SPEAKER_01: Because if you come by us, I have a friend.
45:45
SPEAKER_01: Good friend of ours, Ganesh.
45:47
SPEAKER_01: I mean, um, he came with us, he helps us, he assists us.
45:52
SPEAKER_01: And people were fascinated.
45:54
SPEAKER_01: They say we have dias lit in our yard as Muslims.
45:56
SPEAKER_01: Right.
45:57
SPEAKER_01: We do it diyas, boy.
45:58
SPEAKER_01: We go wicked our Hindu partner.
46:00
SPEAKER_01: We must make cut and we I say, I mean, whom are we?
46:04
SPEAKER_00: We mean who are you?
46:05
SPEAKER_01: I said, come.
46:06
SPEAKER_01: When he comes and see that, we be like, wait.
46:09
SPEAKER_01: I say, yes.
46:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
46:10
SPEAKER_01: Come on, who say is is basically I believe 80% of the participants.
46:17
SPEAKER_01: 75 to 80% of the participants is Christians.
46:20
SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah, yeah.
46:21
SPEAKER_01: St.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: James especially.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're telling him Christians.
46:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:24
SPEAKER_01: Roman Catholic, Anglican Baptist.
46:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's intelligent.
46:28
SPEAKER_01: I grew up, I never see it as much different than us.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: It's just us.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: It's just always.
46:31
SPEAKER_01: You know, because we grew up in a street.
46:33
SPEAKER_01: David.
46:34
SPEAKER_01: It have a lunch.
46:35
SPEAKER_01: It have an Anglican church.
46:37
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't have Mother Desa Church next.
46:40
SPEAKER_01: Do the Baptist church next.
46:42
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
46:42
SPEAKER_01: And have any feast, you're coming and see.
46:44
SPEAKER_01: But we mean we used to go there all the time.
46:45
SPEAKER_01: And we're going to get snacks.
46:46
SPEAKER_01: And then you had the Usayad.
46:48
SPEAKER_01: And then you asked an church.
46:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so for me growing up and for any other people, it's like it moved.
46:53
Corie: Whatever festival it is, wherever we celebrate, we do it, we do it together.
46:56
SPEAKER_01: And then you have the temple along the road.
46:57
SPEAKER_01: We're going to buy country.
46:58
SPEAKER_01: And then I think we get anything.
46:59
SPEAKER_01: You understand?
47:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like that's the nice thing about every festival, you know.
47:03
SPEAKER_01: The only thing is this we're going to sweat on a Sunday morning.
47:06
SPEAKER_01: But we know the old ladies and say, hey, we people at the temple going, don't make no noise.
47:10
SPEAKER_01: We will wait.
47:11
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
47:11
SPEAKER_01: So we cricket playing any evening when we have no temple because we respect.
47:15
SPEAKER_01: And that is why I believe, don't tell when we go places, we maintain that as adults.
47:22
SPEAKER_01: As adults.
47:23
SPEAKER_01: And I like that you say too that.
47:26
Corie: I know they'd be better citizens.
47:28
Corie: Of course, of course, of course.
47:29
SPEAKER_01: Because though get up, shouldn't they have the whole is a very, how we can put it?
47:35
SPEAKER_01: We are difficult people sometimes.
47:37
SPEAKER_01: If we want to be.
47:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: Right.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: For sure.
47:40
SPEAKER_01: So some now I say, you know, all I had to do is show that respect.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: That is it.
47:46
Corie: That is all it is.
47:47
Corie: That's all it is.
47:48
Corie: And that's part of this is the respect too, because understanding is bringing a little bit more that respect.
47:51
Corie: Because I mean, all in my life, I know Flag Knight.
47:53
Corie: It's the first time I understand what Flagnight is about.
47:55
SPEAKER_01: Flagnight represents Abbas.
47:57
SPEAKER_01: So people would never stand back bearer.
47:58
Corie: So you would have basically you're pushing it with flags.
48:02
SPEAKER_01: But each one of those flags.
48:03
SPEAKER_01: That is not my flag, you know.
48:04
SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
48:05
SPEAKER_01: Oh, daddy, you know.
48:06
SPEAKER_01: There is people from my community bringing flag.
48:08
SPEAKER_01: I see.
48:08
SPEAKER_01: So it have people who fast in all.
48:11
SPEAKER_01: They're not coming in the yard.
48:13
SPEAKER_01: Right?
48:14
SPEAKER_01: They will come and put a flag.
48:15
SPEAKER_01: Understand.
48:16
SPEAKER_01: They will come and bring their flag.
48:17
SPEAKER_01: Right.
48:17
SPEAKER_01: Hindu, Baptist, everybody coming to the thing.
48:20
SPEAKER_01: So when you see them flags out there, each flag represents somebody who put a flag.
48:24
SPEAKER_01: I understand.
48:25
SPEAKER_01: I understand.
48:25
Corie: So you see how my people.
48:26
Corie: Of course, of course.
48:27
Corie: It's before.
48:28
Corie: It's before.
48:28
Corie: Right.
48:29
Corie: So before flag night, how much nights is beaten, who say?
48:32
SPEAKER_01: Ten days.
48:33
SPEAKER_01: So when we now we see the crest on the moon, we know the first day of Mohoram.
48:37
SPEAKER_01: Right.
48:37
SPEAKER_01: Tuesday night, first night.
48:39
SPEAKER_01: So we sat on Tuesday.
48:40
SPEAKER_01: The eighth night of Moham is flag night.
48:43
SPEAKER_01: It is dedicated to Abbas.
48:45
SPEAKER_01: The ninth night, small who say Ali Asgard.
48:49
SPEAKER_01: A Hussein six-month-old child he was killed.
48:53
Corie: Oh, so it's a small tomb.
48:55
SPEAKER_01: That's a small tomb.
48:56
SPEAKER_01: He's buried there as well.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: And then Behusa night.
49:00
SPEAKER_01: Ashura.
49:01
SPEAKER_01: Ashura meaning tenth.
49:03
SPEAKER_01: Tenth day.
49:04
SPEAKER_01: Asure.
49:05
SPEAKER_01: So this is why Ashura is the tenth night of Muhammad.
49:08
SPEAKER_01: Daddy Behuse comes out and the moons.
49:11
SPEAKER_01: Daddy Big Night.
49:12
SPEAKER_01: Everybody comes around.
49:13
SPEAKER_01: And then Behuse day.
49:15
SPEAKER_01: So technically, Behuse night and Behuse day is within the same 24 hour period in Islamic thing.
49:22
SPEAKER_01: Understood.
49:23
SPEAKER_01: Because at sunset, so this year, on the 25th of June, at sunset and the 25th day of June, that is when Ashura starts.
49:34
SPEAKER_01: And Ashura ends at sunset on the 26th day of June.
49:38
SPEAKER_01: Okay we say evening.
49:40
SPEAKER_01: Right, on the same.
49:40
SPEAKER_00: So technically the same cycle.
49:42
SPEAKER_01: Cycle, one cycle.
49:43
SPEAKER_01: That is how they call calculators.
49:45
SPEAKER_01: It makes sense.
49:46
SPEAKER_01: So this is why the moons, you will you do see Bay WC even the moons go down by six after six it goes.
49:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course, of course.
49:51
SPEAKER_01: Who said then?
49:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:53
SPEAKER_01: But why all this is going by happening at six or six o'clock?
49:56
SPEAKER_01: Because who say end?
49:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the end of the 24th.
49:58
SPEAKER_01: Because that is how it is really.
50:00
SPEAKER_01: But they they dedicate those nights to a thing because our tradition came from India.
50:07
SPEAKER_01: Understood.
50:07
SPEAKER_01: In Iran they do have that.
50:09
SPEAKER_01: 11 Tanzania, they will have one day.
50:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's our traditional.
50:16
SPEAKER_01: Many years ago, people used to do something called Arbain.
50:20
SPEAKER_01: Arbain means 40 days.
50:22
SPEAKER_01: When a Muslim die, for 40 days he will pray.
50:26
SPEAKER_01: Every night he has prayers home.
50:28
SPEAKER_01: So for us, our morning rituals start from the first of Maharam.
50:32
SPEAKER_01: So even if we say ends, our last ritual is really Arbain.
50:37
SPEAKER_01: Public will see that.
50:39
SPEAKER_01: They're the last, last prayer we will do.
50:41
SPEAKER_01: Who my my mom and them.
50:43
SPEAKER_01: They're the last prayer we do there.
50:45
SPEAKER_01: And all the ads are invited there then.
50:46
SPEAKER_01: And they will do the prayers with us.
50:49
SPEAKER_01: So earlier was telling about the carbala.
50:50
SPEAKER_01: So by us, we have that on parentship.
50:52
SPEAKER_01: All the ads will come there as a communal prayer.
50:56
SPEAKER_01: That is for the headman for the respective heads, whatever.
50:59
SPEAKER_01: So that was his community.
51:00
SPEAKER_01: So people may see the different heads and he road, everybody beat it, and tell me, but it's a company, it's not a competition.
51:06
SPEAKER_01: Everybody supports everybody.
51:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
51:08
SPEAKER_01: But yet everybody maintain their brand and erode, the identity, the family identity, right?
51:13
Corie: Yeah, even I was seeing um with a family identity, as you say, I would see Seiku, Jovet, Sayo, for instance.
51:20
Corie: I see them go from touch to touch.
51:22
Corie: Almost like everybody just went on a see it as a kind of respect.
51:26
SPEAKER_01: So I and all, I go my take a knock with Balma.
51:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:30
SPEAKER_01: But we be based by daddy, you know?
51:33
SPEAKER_01: By Bis Ali.
51:34
SPEAKER_01: But I mean, it's nothing lifting, whatever, you know what I mean?
51:37
SPEAKER_01: So that is how we we try to show, you know, that togetherness.
51:40
SPEAKER_01: It makes sense.
51:40
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
51:41
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
51:42
SPEAKER_01: Because the objective of who say, when you wear ready, check what's who says so for.
51:46
SPEAKER_01: It's really truth, justice, freedom, and love.
51:50
SPEAKER_01: Sacrify.
51:51
SPEAKER_01: The one I said the word sacrifice is you're sacrificing your time, your money, your effort, and a lot.
51:58
SPEAKER_01: Because you don't get back time.
51:59
SPEAKER_01: The most precious thing in the world is time, not money, time.
52:02
Corie: So as you say that, how long is it taking when you're billing?
52:04
Corie: Because now you had a bill.
52:05
Corie: Small will say, big will say, and then do the flags.
52:07
Corie: How long is it taking?
52:08
Corie: And the moons?
52:09
SPEAKER_01: The moons we only started, moon, Tuesday.
52:11
SPEAKER_01: The moons is billing 10 days.
52:13
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
52:13
SPEAKER_01: Right?
52:14
SPEAKER_01: I got talk for the red moon, green moon, and abas moon.
52:16
SPEAKER_01: 10 days.
52:17
SPEAKER_01: 10 days it takes to billy moon.
52:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, the whotage.
52:20
SPEAKER_01: So if you give me that clot, iron it goes take a while.
52:22
SPEAKER_01: The task, the taskers will take longer.
52:25
SPEAKER_01: The taskers take some yards, we'll start when it's evil or buckarid.
52:29
SPEAKER_01: 30 days before.
52:30
SPEAKER_01: So whenever you know it's e do ladder, which is buckared, 30 days after that, it'll be who's a night.
52:34
SPEAKER_01: Understood.
52:35
SPEAKER_01: But we know we have a our squad, I mean, beside in fact.
52:40
SPEAKER_01: But we started way before.
52:42
SPEAKER_01: We started like we know we know we gauge it, we go start two months before who say to give you a safe time to finish.
52:50
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
52:51
SPEAKER_01: Because sometimes here, not every day, it's not like long time.
52:54
SPEAKER_01: Because my dad told me in them days, men, you can run with work.
52:58
SPEAKER_01: Every day.
52:58
SPEAKER_01: Now, if you run with work, they tell you, have a good day.
53:00
SPEAKER_01: Bye.
53:03
SPEAKER_01: It was nice knowing you.
53:04
SPEAKER_01: So then people had a work time and their families, right?
53:07
SPEAKER_01: Things change.
53:07
SPEAKER_01: Things change, right?
53:08
SPEAKER_01: The economy changed.
53:09
SPEAKER_01: So things um, you had a work because it costs money.
53:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
53:13
SPEAKER_01: Everything on you say costs money.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: You had a bite, right?
53:16
SPEAKER_01: And he will say plenty too for people who never see one as a lot of career.
53:21
SPEAKER_01: And then other than that, now, well, I could talk for the Basali family and basali slash abba smooth.
53:27
SPEAKER_01: Every night, we'll make sure you had our thing to eat.
53:30
SPEAKER_01: Men comments, of course.
53:32
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you water, your soft drink, you had a thing to eat.
53:35
SPEAKER_01: Remember, we fasten.
53:37
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
53:37
SPEAKER_01: So you can't eat no side food.
53:39
SPEAKER_01: So you gotta make your soda, your coconut bake.
53:46
SPEAKER_01: You must provide things for eat.
53:49
SPEAKER_01: But how we could do that?
53:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so how expensive is it?
53:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is cost.
53:54
SPEAKER_01: No, attach, yeah.
53:56
SPEAKER_01: Materials with attach, yeah.
53:57
SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you're is according to the clot.
53:59
SPEAKER_01: I did say a daddy pie clot, I think a yard of clothes was like$79 or something, so right.
54:04
SPEAKER_01: He might be about 30 yards.
54:06
SPEAKER_01: I die just for that.
54:08
SPEAKER_01: Then you have paper course.
54:09
SPEAKER_01: My sister will bring down the paper, is that like a float?
54:12
SPEAKER_01: A roll of paper might be, I think, 30 US.
54:14
SPEAKER_01: Right?
54:15
SPEAKER_01: And then my cousin Karen, she will bring when they go.
54:17
SPEAKER_01: So it's his course.
54:18
SPEAKER_01: All of them is course.
54:18
SPEAKER_01: 30 US plenty roll y'all bring.
54:21
SPEAKER_01: Then all the drums.
54:22
SPEAKER_01: We make any bass drums.
54:24
SPEAKER_01: A bass drum, the skin huge.
54:26
SPEAKER_01: So when a man stretch a skin for it, I try to get my wet skin.
54:30
SPEAKER_01: So I might pay 400 for a wet skin.
54:32
SPEAKER_01: I go stretch it.
54:33
SPEAKER_01: But here the thing now, when you get a wet skin, you don't know how it's gonna dry.
54:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
54:38
SPEAKER_01: They can dry like paper.
54:39
SPEAKER_01: Your 400, yeah.
54:41
SPEAKER_01: You can't use it, right?
54:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you stretch it.
54:43
SPEAKER_01: But when you buy a dry skin now, it's stretch already.
54:46
SPEAKER_01: However, it will be 700 for the skin.
54:48
SPEAKER_01: Because the man charging you have 200 or 300 to stretch his skin.
54:51
Corie: It's good skin still?
54:52
Corie: Good skin for business.
54:53
Corie: But you still get um skins, right?
54:56
SPEAKER_01: You still get skin.
54:57
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so there's no problem.
54:58
SPEAKER_01: LCK, we have person like butchers and them south side, we get it.
55:02
SPEAKER_01: Now, when we get his skin now.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: So I try, I try my best to be economical as possible.
55:09
SPEAKER_01: So where we can save all changes, nothing for me to stretch your skin.
55:13
SPEAKER_01: I can stretch our skin, I can peel our skin.
55:16
SPEAKER_01: So I don't need a man to peel her skin for me, or stretch your skin.
55:18
SPEAKER_01: Right.
55:19
SPEAKER_01: I don't need a man to make a base for me neither.
55:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, not all yards have that.
55:22
SPEAKER_01: That's an extra thing.
55:23
SPEAKER_01: And it's a serious thing because not all yards have the manpower, the persons to make base.
55:31
SPEAKER_01: Because that's that's an art form itself, right?
55:33
SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course.
55:34
SPEAKER_01: Because the skin is one thing, but where do you come from?
55:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, where they're coming from.
55:37
SPEAKER_01: Right.
55:38
SPEAKER_01: Well, remember every year they want to buy a base shell.
55:41
SPEAKER_01: So plenty of base shells we had here.
55:42
SPEAKER_01: My dad dug them.
55:44
SPEAKER_01: All right, right.
55:45
SPEAKER_01: They dig out the shell.
55:46
SPEAKER_01: Right.
55:46
SPEAKER_01: Now they have guys who do it that have a guy up Grandy.
55:49
SPEAKER_01: He's the main man who dig in most of these shells in Trinidad, I should say.
55:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, Harry.
55:54
SPEAKER_01: So it's made from is a solitary tree or something.
55:56
SPEAKER_01: Well, most of the time, it's a mango.
55:58
SPEAKER_01: They want something what can last.
56:00
SPEAKER_01: They want something what thermiting really is gonna interfere with it.
56:03
SPEAKER_01: Because you don't know where you're gonna become most of this stuff only used for who's the time.
56:08
SPEAKER_01: I'm a leader, Unity Tassa group.
56:10
SPEAKER_01: Unity TASSA.
56:11
SPEAKER_01: Um you playing out, yeah.
56:13
SPEAKER_01: We go out and playing weddings, function, fets, parties, whatever you name it, right?
56:18
SPEAKER_01: Like Simon Seiko, Zuhi Rif, myself.
56:20
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
56:20
SPEAKER_01: That is called Synjin.
56:22
SPEAKER_01: Of course, yeah.
56:22
SPEAKER_01: Right?
56:23
SPEAKER_01: June 18th, 2000.
56:27
SPEAKER_01: Today, in fact, 26 years.
56:30
SPEAKER_01: Same group.
56:30
SPEAKER_01: And we bring in some men out, like my son Adam, my cousin or Daniel, and the younger generations coming in, you know what I mean?
56:36
SPEAKER_01: They're going with us, whoever, but we we still maintain all of us, you know what I mean?
56:40
SPEAKER_01: We we still maintain, and we we talk that.
56:42
SPEAKER_01: We say we maintain because when we go outside to play, we going out and playing in weddings like south to be.
56:49
SPEAKER_01: We go in all of the islands.
56:52
SPEAKER_01: And when people see us, for me time they see us, St.
56:55
SPEAKER_01: Jim men, we don't know where you know.
56:57
SPEAKER_01: Then just watch we're St.
57:00
SPEAKER_01: Jim men.
57:01
SPEAKER_01: I say, cow.
57:02
SPEAKER_01: You know, people can like, yeah, at the time we went by St.
57:05
SPEAKER_01: Usha, but Bram Fanny and men saw us up, they're like, hey, from St.
57:09
SPEAKER_01: James.
57:11
SPEAKER_01: But we ain't hit our note yet, where you know people know, people know.
57:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just see how we we move in, and I guess, you know what I mean?
57:17
SPEAKER_01: And we dress code, you know what I mean?
57:19
SPEAKER_01: Because many times we go to a play, and I saw playing.
57:22
SPEAKER_01: I from Trinidad.
57:24
SPEAKER_01: Right?
57:25
SPEAKER_01: Corey, we grew up a short pants, she caught her pants, jeans.
57:28
SPEAKER_01: Leave eye jeans, sneakers, yeah.
57:30
SPEAKER_01: We best clothing, had keep we pump it.
57:33
SPEAKER_01: I not walk in, no, no beaten, no dirty pants.
57:36
SPEAKER_01: You group.
57:37
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
57:38
SPEAKER_01: You have to be yourself.
57:39
SPEAKER_01: No, no.
57:40
SPEAKER_01: Unity tassa.
57:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
57:42
SPEAKER_01: Unity.
57:43
SPEAKER_01: My mommy named the group, eh?
57:44
SPEAKER_01: Oh, she did.
57:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we were going, we were going to beat in our St.
57:48
SPEAKER_01: Peter's Day thing in June 18, 2000.
57:50
SPEAKER_01: And the man wants to know, he called him a phone.
57:53
SPEAKER_01: You know, send me on a cell phone, house phone, 65, 50, 50, 7.
57:57
SPEAKER_01: Ping me.
57:58
SPEAKER_01: You know, what up on the program, boy?
58:00
SPEAKER_01: I said, Mommy, we ain't no sick all of these.
58:03
SPEAKER_01: Mommy said, Boy, Unity.
58:05
SPEAKER_01: Look at all here.
58:06
SPEAKER_01: It was his unity, and daddy named Stick.
58:09
SPEAKER_01: One time, we we business, we register we names because you know, man, go look at T for your name.
58:14
SPEAKER_01: You understand?
58:14
SPEAKER_01: The Then your dog, the T F in your cow.
58:16
SPEAKER_01: What they go in with your name.
58:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so the first thing we do, we register we think.
58:22
SPEAKER_01: Unity Tassel was always, you know what I mean?
58:24
SPEAKER_01: And from there we started a little boat, right?
58:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
58:27
SPEAKER_01: It's nice to see all the fellows together.
58:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember.
58:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember.
58:31
SPEAKER_01: So now seek.
58:32
SPEAKER_01: And that's not a damn you and seek who got.
58:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean, all the time.
58:35
SPEAKER_01: Now secret judge general.
58:36
SPEAKER_01: Secret plain DJ sequel, DJ now.
58:39
SPEAKER_01: So everything comes from that.
58:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
58:41
SPEAKER_01: And from being that tassel group, and what the task goes from the who say you had.
58:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
58:45
SPEAKER_01: And as I say, it it exists out there, where it have serious vision out there.
58:50
SPEAKER_01: I saw plain it out there, but I try to show people that use synjms as a prime example, right?
58:58
SPEAKER_01: Of how people could live in harmony, unity, 100%, love, togetherness.
59:04
SPEAKER_01: I had all the time.
59:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, togetherness with all the differences.
59:09
SPEAKER_01: So Corey said something earlier.
59:11
SPEAKER_01: In the early days, you could just walk in a man yard, you could think.
59:16
SPEAKER_01: You could just walk in, walk out, and then sing.
59:18
SPEAKER_01: Now we're playing gabby because bandits and sprung, whatever.
59:21
SPEAKER_01: But at the end of the day, I see a spranger taking ah my dad had it saw us up, true, right?
59:28
SPEAKER_01: So I see the man picking his other areas.
59:41
SPEAKER_00: We know these fangers.
59:43
SPEAKER_01: I say, boy, oh god.
59:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's interesting.
59:47
Corie: Of course, of course, of course.
59:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
59:54
SPEAKER_01: Take it.
59:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to make any ask.
59:56
SPEAKER_01: I take it again.
59:57
SPEAKER_01: Anybody act again?
59:58
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
59:58
SPEAKER_01: Because we know the man, we know everybody.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_01: 100%.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:00:01
SPEAKER_01: We know everybody.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_01: You understand?
1:00:02
SPEAKER_01: Everybody thing.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_01: So that was say when people tell you about it, it has crime in St.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_01: James.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_01: I say, stick up it.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_01: St.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_01: James is south of Camp then.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_01: So let's say James, we play.
1:00:18
SPEAKER_01: On east of Fort Church Road.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_01: No, that does he bongshire St.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_01: James on west of the Marval River.
1:00:24
SPEAKER_01: Fatima college now broke Fatima and St.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_01: James.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_01: Fatima Central, 100%.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_01: The cemetery.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_01: The correct name of that cemetery is Muka Rapo Cemetery.
1:00:33
SPEAKER_01: But at the time, the mayors at the time, um, in order to be in the early days we're talking about, the early days of the city, um, my shade, I could never be a mayor.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_01: In those days, colonial days.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_01: So they don't want the Woodbrook estate, the Woodbrook Cemetery.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_01: But nothing's Woodbrook.
1:00:55
SPEAKER_01: You got the bounces in Marval River.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_01: 100%.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_01: So is Mokarapo?
1:01:00
SPEAKER_01: So you realize people when they have seminary funerals, St.
1:01:02
SPEAKER_01: people.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_01: You don't want a Sinji person there.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_01: Burial at Mukarapo Cemetery.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_01: When I have all area frontier Woodbrook Cemetery.
1:01:10
Corie: Yeah, when I say Woodbrook Cemetery, meaning nowhere to go.
1:01:12
Corie: Yes, Mukarapo.
1:01:14
Corie: Going back to some of them traditional things, too, right?
1:01:16
Corie: From the tradition.
1:01:17
Corie: One of the things I remember growing up in House, those see again is they had a burning little fire to hot year drum.
1:01:22
Corie: Right.
1:01:23
Corie: No, the drum itself was clay.
1:01:25
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:01:25
SPEAKER_00: Clay shell.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_00: All right.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_01: Embody with a goat skin, ram skin.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_01: Okay, you want a thick skin.
1:01:30
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_01: And they use the body.
1:01:32
SPEAKER_01: The body is a lace in.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_01: Now, here we happen.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_01: We used to use camel skin.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_01: You can import camel skin.
1:01:38
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:01:38
SPEAKER_01: You buy it.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_01: Because we have that domestic, that's a large industry in the Middle East.
1:01:43
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:01:43
SPEAKER_01: You buy the camel skin.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_01: Some we get the deer skin.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:01:47
SPEAKER_01: Now people eat any deer skin.
1:01:48
SPEAKER_01: Dear skin skin.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_01: It's in the deer skin.
1:01:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when men, when hunting season now.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_01: Remember, you can't have deer skin out of the hunting season.
1:01:56
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:01:58
SPEAKER_01: So when is the hunting season?
1:02:00
SPEAKER_01: You have hunters will hunt the deer skin.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_01: And they will use the deer skin to make drums.
1:02:05
SPEAKER_01: You can make a bass to the deer skin.
1:02:07
SPEAKER_01: Not that.
1:02:07
SPEAKER_01: That tick, that too tick.
1:02:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's it.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_01: You go that whole night, buck, buck, buck, buck, buck, but ain't going up for nothing.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_01: You get small by that fire.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:02:13
SPEAKER_01: Because remember your hunting drum, you don't like it.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_01: But this year, you will find plenty goat skin drums coming back.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_01: Seriously.
1:02:22
SPEAKER_01: Yes, because plenty of the brothers that come down from countryside to play, right?
1:02:27
SPEAKER_01: Remember Punch IT.
1:02:29
SPEAKER_01: There's normally have people from outside coming in and talking.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_01: You have people from outside playing for them, right?
1:02:35
SPEAKER_01: Galamus saying Balman Bisali.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_01: You will hear that original drumming.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_01: Which is who say drumming?
1:02:41
SPEAKER_01: Sin James.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_01: And they come and don't know we hear other men because you know it.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_01: You will look from quite over.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_01: You know a St.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_01: James drummer.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_01: It's a man who act them all that you will hear a man.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_01: But what happened is this year we'll find plenty of the goat skins coming back.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_01: Plenty people bring it back.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_01: Now.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_01: So what did that change to after goat skin?
1:03:00
SPEAKER_01: How do you make it now?
1:03:02
SPEAKER_01: Well, we use a trayon tank.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_01: Or sometimes we we build we own some aluminum pot.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:03:09
SPEAKER_01: You use your remote skin.
1:03:10
SPEAKER_01: You use our remote skin.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_01: You tighten the oil skin.
1:03:13
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:03:13
SPEAKER_01: Now the thing with that, you have your advantage and disadvantage.
1:03:17
SPEAKER_01: We brought about that in about 2006.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_01: We went plastic.
1:03:24
SPEAKER_01: 2006.
1:03:26
SPEAKER_01: The reason why we really went with that was Unity Task.
1:03:28
SPEAKER_01: We were ready going when we going to play.
1:03:30
SPEAKER_01: We went to play for King Juan Carlos when he came my time on the tarmac outside.
1:03:35
SPEAKER_01: But in the airport, you can't light no fire.
1:03:38
SPEAKER_01: So I said, see, how we got in this drum?
1:03:41
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's good thing.
1:03:42
Corie: So for people who didn't know, you had to put fire to it.
1:03:44
Corie: So it gets right and get any song you want to do.
1:03:47
SPEAKER_01: So I said, but how we then we go in hilt and the beaten wedding.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_01: And they said this is a no fire allowed so.
1:03:54
SPEAKER_01: We had to go down in a corner.
1:03:55
SPEAKER_01: Every other walk with this thing.
1:03:57
SPEAKER_01: So we be carrying man.
1:03:58
SPEAKER_01: So we had a carry a man to put drum first.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, cargo in white.
1:04:02
SPEAKER_01: You got in here done, so you can like pitch on it.
1:04:06
SPEAKER_01: So me and Siko said, Boy, look, we sat a day.
1:04:08
SPEAKER_01: And we sad that we sat a thing.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_00: We do we say one thing, you know.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_01: We we we check horse, Ishman who died.
1:04:14
SPEAKER_01: Gives me well.
1:04:15
SPEAKER_01: We say, we give you our walk.
1:04:16
SPEAKER_01: We gotta make some drum.
1:04:17
SPEAKER_01: If you see it, Cory, madness, you think to suck, but we beat them.
1:04:21
SPEAKER_01: Because we know the hot.
1:04:22
SPEAKER_01: And then we can beat how long you want now to drum and then.
1:04:28
SPEAKER_01: So when we show share and them, and now she and them say, well, I can't be like, it rests when you come out and you take it out.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_01: She said, she said.
1:04:35
SPEAKER_01: So I say, Well, is you the pharaoh?
1:04:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:04:37
SPEAKER_01: They call me pharaoh for about two years.
1:04:39
SPEAKER_01: I said, Let me go.
1:04:40
SPEAKER_01: We got your calf rest.
1:04:42
SPEAKER_01: You can take a hybrid away because you don't need the hard.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_01: But it comes in handy for us.
1:04:46
SPEAKER_01: When we tow in, or when we go in and a fet, we do what I call out.
1:04:49
SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course, of course.
1:04:50
SPEAKER_01: Call out and billing.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:04:53
SPEAKER_01: So this is why it comes in handy.
1:04:54
SPEAKER_01: Now it's good for the tradition.
1:04:56
SPEAKER_01: We we still have the goat skin drums, you know.
1:04:57
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I mean.
1:04:58
SPEAKER_01: What is the disadvantage?
1:04:59
SPEAKER_01: You sound out of those songs.
1:05:01
SPEAKER_01: Nothing could beat a natural drum.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_01: Nothing could beat a natural drum.
1:05:05
SPEAKER_01: Because the other day I went somewhere and one of my brethren was playing.
1:05:08
SPEAKER_01: I beat with them in African drummer.
1:05:10
SPEAKER_01: I can play my rhythm too.
1:05:12
SPEAKER_01: Simon is a real voice playing African drums.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_01: Yes, I.
1:05:16
SPEAKER_01: And all of us, it's drum, everybody playing, right?
1:05:19
SPEAKER_01: And when we think, um, I play with them, and it was a remote skin.
1:05:22
SPEAKER_01: And it isn't song in like the real goat skin.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
1:05:26
SPEAKER_01: So you know what I mean?
1:05:27
SPEAKER_01: It adjusting.
1:05:28
SPEAKER_01: And sometimes now what happens?
1:05:30
SPEAKER_01: Not all TASSA groups have people to make the bass.
1:05:35
SPEAKER_01: Look, people calling me right now to make tropes for them.
1:05:38
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's make tropes out of bamboo.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:05:40
SPEAKER_01: Tropes is made out of a cane, a wild cane.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:05:43
SPEAKER_01: And you shave it down.
1:05:44
SPEAKER_01: But now it's fiber gas rod.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_01: They use fiber gas rod here pass here.
1:05:48
SPEAKER_01: And you make it, you make the head, and long time you have going well with glue and you had to rip it.
1:05:52
SPEAKER_01: And solid.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:05:55
SPEAKER_01: And you're making trope and trope breaking.
1:05:57
SPEAKER_01: Now make men selling chrope for 150.
1:06:01
SPEAKER_01: I not pay for it.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_01: No, it has players that's up there making anything.
1:06:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm not doing that.
1:06:08
SPEAKER_01: And I buy a run of five.
1:06:09
SPEAKER_01: A five I got it forty dollars.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_01: And I must again have a 10 ph from that.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_01: So I not going and let's do it.
1:06:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:06:19
SPEAKER_01: I'm not doing that.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:06:21
SPEAKER_01: So what we're doing is um due to the death of my mom and thing, we weren't able to do our classes as we wanted to do.
1:06:27
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:06:28
SPEAKER_01: But Bissali um slash unity TASSA conjunction.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_01: We are going to do a TASA workshop.
1:06:36
SPEAKER_01: Okay, good.
1:06:36
SPEAKER_01: So beat the bill.
1:06:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:06:39
SPEAKER_01: Because we don't want the culture to die out.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_01: To me, I love this so much where it's not about keeping it a secret.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_01: They don't know secret we keeping it, you know.
1:06:49
SPEAKER_01: Because you call you grow up and the lodgers are distributed.
1:06:53
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:06:53
SPEAKER_01: So so people talking about we we you know this and that.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_01: Because people come and see what we'll be doing.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:06:59
SPEAKER_01: You know, you have the people out there who may not like it.
1:07:04
SPEAKER_01: So I say it.
1:07:05
SPEAKER_01: If you don't like it, it's simple.
1:07:06
SPEAKER_01: It comes like that.
1:07:07
SPEAKER_01: You don't like carnival?
1:07:08
SPEAKER_01: Stay like that.
1:07:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_01: It's simple.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_01: That I, yes, I'm a Muslim.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:07:13
SPEAKER_01: It's a time and place for everything.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_01: But I'm a Trini.
1:07:17
SPEAKER_01: I'm a Trinidad.
1:07:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:07:19
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:07:19
SPEAKER_01: And nothing can beat your pan, your pushing your pan.
1:07:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, whatever the thing is.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_01: I just come every band I bring my children to see mass.
1:07:29
SPEAKER_01: Kiddie's mask we did.
1:07:30
SPEAKER_01: So you you can't.
1:07:35
SPEAKER_01: You see that wood is a hell of a thing, you understand?
1:07:37
SPEAKER_01: Tell us discipline.
1:07:38
SPEAKER_01: And that is a key thing, you know, and I show people that, you know, son.
1:07:42
SPEAKER_01: It makes sense, but glad to have some workshops open to all your plan to do it.
1:07:47
SPEAKER_01: Well, my plan is basically um whether details, I will learn like dates.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, please, please, please.
1:07:53
SPEAKER_01: Gotta learn to taste because I want people to come.
1:07:56
SPEAKER_01: It's free.
1:07:57
SPEAKER_01: The first is free.
1:07:59
SPEAKER_01: We can we not ask it.
1:08:00
SPEAKER_01: If a man wants a tasa, we could first details and you may get tassa, wherever.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
1:08:05
SPEAKER_01: So we tell you, don't commit yourself.
1:08:06
SPEAKER_01: Come and see if you like it.
1:08:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, learn and see.
1:08:09
SPEAKER_01: We gave our PR shop, you home and you practice.
1:08:12
Corie: So if you do want to go and practice on piece of card, but it's not frustrating.
1:08:16
Corie: Yeah, yeah.
1:08:16
Corie: On a piece of piece of a book or something, yeah, right?
1:08:20
Corie: And you learn.
1:08:21
Corie: But in terms of lessons or teaching people workshops, building and thing, you have that in mind too.
1:08:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, basically, um plenty of the younger set of builders, right?
1:08:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, look, Stevie, Stevie and Jew, right?
1:08:33
SPEAKER_01: Stevie well close with dad, right?
1:08:35
SPEAKER_01: And he always called my daddy, daddy always giving him advice, whoever, whatever.
1:08:38
SPEAKER_01: So, as my father says it don't matter where you are there from, you know.
1:08:43
SPEAKER_01: It's your only knowledge.
1:08:44
SPEAKER_01: Because when you die with that knowledge and that artistic thing, you ain't got him out.
1:08:49
SPEAKER_01: That dead.
1:08:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dying with you.
1:08:52
SPEAKER_01: And it's a sin for the knowledge you have and part it until the next generation.
1:08:56
SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course.
1:08:56
SPEAKER_01: So that was teach my church.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_01: My son knows the history.
1:08:59
SPEAKER_01: You in fact he might be teaching us.
1:09:00
SPEAKER_01: I know he knows it, some of your friends gonna know it.
1:09:06
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
1:09:06
SPEAKER_01: Fatima come out and looking for alignment or something.
1:09:09
SPEAKER_01: Why not?
1:09:10
SPEAKER_01: So that that's encouraging.
1:09:11
SPEAKER_01: He wants to um tell me because he and all I see passing through he said that I rhythm say, I say, boy, that school have everything.
1:09:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, session, they're my pan, they're my own.
1:09:19
Corie: Well then again, I never used to really go to school too.
1:09:21
Corie: So me, no what I had when in my time.
1:09:22
Corie: I like it.
1:09:24
Corie: Like into me home.
1:09:25
Corie: So yeah, I'm asking if it's so expensive to do and the skill is intricate.
1:09:30
Corie: I mean, I see no blend them doing that for years.
1:09:32
Corie: You see that you know what was real nice to see, boy, last year.
1:09:35
Corie: I remember as youths, we used to watch Bill, Headache, Shazad.
1:09:39
Corie: You used to say, Who's your favorite cutter?
1:09:40
Corie: Who's your favorite?
1:09:41
Corie: I'm watching youths now watching Javet and them.
1:09:43
Corie: That's amazing.
1:09:43
Corie: We get older now, them watching Javet and them and say, That's different.
1:09:46
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:09:47
SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, no, it has happened, it's not.
1:09:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
1:09:49
SPEAKER_01: Like when we cut in it, people just come out and say, Oh boy.
1:09:52
SPEAKER_01: Nah, I we have some good base.
1:09:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we had a big like like Saio.
1:09:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, look at last I neo come out.
1:10:00
SPEAKER_01: And boy, it's like eye shock.
1:10:03
SPEAKER_01: I said, Yeah, we ain't lose nothing.
1:10:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, how are we gonna forget that?
1:10:05
SPEAKER_01: We're going tonight, David.
1:10:06
SPEAKER_01: Let me see if I can beat some.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, come on.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_01: All right, B sali.
1:10:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, practice.
1:10:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we'll come wrong.
1:10:12
SPEAKER_01: We sat and we sat about half eight.
1:10:14
Corie: All right, good.
1:10:14
Corie: Yeah, yeah, you have to eat in a lot.
1:10:15
Corie: Before I get to my question, I was gonna ask about why you don't just keep one every year and preserve that.
1:10:20
Corie: But I want to ask you the time you start meeting the night.
1:10:23
SPEAKER_01: Well, what we're doing is uh the times we beat any night, basically.
1:10:27
SPEAKER_01: Remember, we have press.
1:10:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that's press, right?
1:10:29
SPEAKER_01: I can't stay up late any night now.
1:10:30
SPEAKER_01: I wish I was beat first.
1:10:34
SPEAKER_01: It might finish by eight.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_01: No, remember the imam with my different yards.
1:10:37
SPEAKER_01: He may run late.
1:10:38
SPEAKER_01: I understand.
1:10:38
SPEAKER_01: So if one yard runs late, the other hand may run late, right?
1:10:41
SPEAKER_01: Understood.
1:10:41
SPEAKER_01: So I'm not a respect now.
1:10:43
SPEAKER_01: If Bisali Press finish, we wouldn't beat until Balma do the purse.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course.
1:10:49
SPEAKER_01: Of course, yeah, yeah.
1:10:49
SPEAKER_01: Because we had our respect.
1:10:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, understood.
1:10:52
SPEAKER_01: So this is why most of these women, and then now we have man, remember it had men coming out.
1:10:57
SPEAKER_01: Afterwards, you might want to eat something, and then you start happily.
1:11:00
SPEAKER_01: We will beat from like about half eight above, half ten.
1:11:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:11:05
SPEAKER_01: When it coming closer, don't like like we can come in, you may go until 11, half eleven, and we better go over.
1:11:10
SPEAKER_01: Okay, of course.
1:11:10
Corie: You know what's funny, boy?
1:11:12
Corie: That point in time, you all know next to mommy there on Motora Street.
1:11:15
Corie: And them days my son is a newborn, yeah.
1:11:17
Corie: So I say, boy, when who say come?
1:11:19
Corie: I wonder what we go do.
1:11:20
Corie: Because I know when that base, that first base in here.
1:11:23
Corie: And I always remember the night when your side of the car watching all to see what time you go, must start about 10 or whatever it is.
1:11:29
Corie: And that one, as that thing goes, he eye opens and drops back asleep.
1:11:35
Corie: So maybe the new one now we need to bring him back and say, Yeah, they didn't come to sleep because you don't sleep at all.
1:11:40
SPEAKER_01: My um daughter, she will stay up two o'clock.
1:11:45
SPEAKER_01: She day now.
1:11:46
SPEAKER_01: She and my son when I sleepity.
1:11:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that is it.
1:11:50
SPEAKER_01: That's a man after more.
1:11:51
SPEAKER_01: Drums can be beat.
1:11:52
SPEAKER_01: A smart man.
1:11:53
SPEAKER_01: See, that no bother, he noise.
1:11:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I'm the night sleep.
1:11:57
SPEAKER_01: When you come to sleep, we don't we don't play with it.
1:12:00
Corie: But I remember time to where and this you'll tell me if I remember right.
1:12:03
Corie: I remember as youths when who sit down, there was a time we used to go on the foreshow, you would throw away the parts of the same.
1:12:08
SPEAKER_01: So that kind of changed up now, right?
1:12:10
SPEAKER_01: Because I didn't make that up in my mind, right?
1:12:12
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
1:12:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, many years ago, right?
1:12:14
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:12:14
SPEAKER_01: Because before my time, my dad, before they had the junior, I said, I can't mook rapport any back.
1:12:20
Corie: Right.
1:12:21
SPEAKER_01: They they're going on, they have no foreshirt, they have no stadium, they just swamp.
1:12:24
SPEAKER_01: They push any time just down that river.
1:12:26
SPEAKER_01: That was the river.
1:12:28
SPEAKER_01: The Marval River straight down and break that.
1:12:31
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:12:32
SPEAKER_01: So you could bury the UC, you could break it up and show it around in water.
1:12:36
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:12:36
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:12:37
SPEAKER_01: But over time now, like this here, daddy have no styrofoam at all in USA.
1:12:41
SPEAKER_01: None whatsoever.
1:12:42
SPEAKER_01: Because things change many years ago now with the styrofoam.
1:12:46
SPEAKER_01: So now you realize it's since you see wood.
1:12:48
SPEAKER_01: So they try to reuse.
1:12:49
SPEAKER_01: Preserve.
1:12:50
SPEAKER_01: They reuse.
1:12:51
SPEAKER_01: Now you have to break up the UC.
1:12:53
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:12:53
SPEAKER_01: But certain things they will throw, certain parts of you will throw it, which is like the purse part.
1:12:58
SPEAKER_01: Okay, right.
1:12:59
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:12:59
SPEAKER_01: So you grab like the flower, certain things, like natural things, right?
1:13:02
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
1:13:02
SPEAKER_01: But most of the time now they're kind of recycling or reusing.
1:13:07
SPEAKER_01: And not only him, most of the ads.
1:13:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess, I guess, yeah.
1:13:09
SPEAKER_01: Most of the ads now, right?
1:13:10
Corie: But that's part of the tradition.
1:13:12
SPEAKER_01: But you gotta break it up.
1:13:13
Corie: So it's not something you could keep in a museum for years and just keep all the housey.
1:13:17
SPEAKER_01: Many years ago, the Smithsonian Institute approached my father first to Bellahoose.
1:13:22
SPEAKER_01: He been a traditional he maintained.
1:13:24
SPEAKER_01: I think cookery went and hit the belly who see.
1:13:26
SPEAKER_01: And it's in the museum still in the Smithsonian Institute in the States.
1:13:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they built that attached, right?
1:13:32
SPEAKER_01: They built it.
1:13:33
SPEAKER_01: But Daddy said I nothing.
1:13:35
SPEAKER_01: I ain't doing that.
1:13:37
SPEAKER_01: He don't care, my money ain't doing that.
1:13:40
SPEAKER_01: Now, many years ago, 1992, Dr.
1:13:44
SPEAKER_01: Frank Corum, your professor, he came down with the Smithsonian and did that a nice story on Hussey, a documentary with Hussey.
1:13:51
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:13:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it took them three years of filming and thing.
1:13:55
SPEAKER_01: Thereafter, we had other entities coming down.
1:14:00
SPEAKER_01: We had some brothers from uh Iran was down here many years ago.
1:14:04
SPEAKER_01: A next group from London, they came down.
1:14:07
SPEAKER_01: Um had a husband and wife professors from the University of Amsterdam, they were down here about three years ago um doing documentaries on Pusi.
1:14:17
SPEAKER_01: I I was like so when you know by meeting these persons, these brilliant minds, because I know no professor.
1:14:25
SPEAKER_01: So um he they were like, you know, what you are doing there, Jamie.
1:14:31
SPEAKER_01: You might think it as hey, you're born in a family, so it's it naturally that's how they do it.
1:14:38
SPEAKER_01: But in the outside world, that's a huge, huge thing that people will do whatever just to get in this, you know, just say they are wrong, you understand?
1:14:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, because our good friend Lisa, who's the photography, right?
1:14:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's we give and listen.
1:14:56
SPEAKER_01: So this is a women asked, for it.
1:14:58
SPEAKER_01: Lisa David, taking the tears from me.
1:15:00
SPEAKER_01: Yes, she did.
1:15:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, she just come true.
1:15:03
SPEAKER_01: I mean she don't she didn't need no permission from us, like other people we don't know.
1:15:06
SPEAKER_01: You don't think hey, Lisa just all access.
1:15:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's important.
1:15:11
SPEAKER_01: Document because why look at it is most photographers when they they they document and they take the time because look now, that real guy is doing doing live.
1:15:22
SPEAKER_01: I talk one whole day.
1:15:24
SPEAKER_01: So I have a friend that said, she and his wife, them from good number side.
1:15:29
SPEAKER_01: They say, but um I saw the U say boy jump.
1:15:33
SPEAKER_01: We say it.
1:15:34
SPEAKER_01: And boy, I follow all your full lip.
1:15:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, people is doing live.
1:15:38
SPEAKER_00: I said, Yeah, that man has a nuclear reactor on the camera.
1:15:41
SPEAKER_00: How he doing that?
1:15:42
SPEAKER_00: He phone ain't dying at all.
1:15:44
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
1:15:47
SPEAKER_01: And so that is good.
1:15:48
SPEAKER_01: I encourage that.
1:15:49
SPEAKER_01: I I like that because it's obviously I not pay nobody for free.
1:15:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
1:15:53
SPEAKER_01: And is the exposure so for the last five years or so, um, you're getting that exposure, you're getting that exposure.
1:16:02
SPEAKER_01: So next week, have a pack week because uh it's in most of the media houses.
1:16:06
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so just uh invite people to come out, you know, invite come out, you know what I mean?
1:16:10
SPEAKER_01: So inviting the the the the the number one podcast in the world, which is this um to you know to come out, you know what I'm saying?
1:16:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know what I mean?
1:16:19
SPEAKER_01: It's like you know what I mean.
1:16:19
SPEAKER_01: My wife is just following, yeah.
1:16:22
SPEAKER_01: We go in there, we go in there, she but you are a celebrity because you can't invent anything on Cory thing, watch me.
1:16:29
SPEAKER_01: It's is it's like come down, man.
1:16:31
SPEAKER_01: This is World Champions.
1:16:34
SPEAKER_01: She must know she delivers.
1:16:35
SPEAKER_01: I said, Nah, well, Corey is uh is uh she knows that, you know.
1:16:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
1:16:41
SPEAKER_01: And a cap a doctor, Cory then.
1:16:43
SPEAKER_01: Everything I do today.
1:16:44
SPEAKER_01: I can imagine how to do today.
1:16:45
SPEAKER_01: I tell David and them is my fault because I didn't mean when work any moon.
1:16:48
SPEAKER_01: I say, listen, I have to go, right?
1:16:52
SPEAKER_01: I go meet all here.
1:16:53
SPEAKER_01: I didn't even realize who said come up so quick.
1:16:55
SPEAKER_01: Me and Tell I come in here.
1:16:56
SPEAKER_01: I have a meeting, but tell me police.
1:16:58
SPEAKER_01: We go show them.
1:17:00
Corie: Well, listen, I know you had time, I know you had a run too, but it doesn't matter.
1:17:04
Corie: I remember seeing you at the because again, with life, I go and live all our boards and come back.
1:17:08
Corie: And a day, I must just come back from that 11.
1:17:11
Corie: I go in through Tongmas and Bank accounts, and I'll never forget.
1:17:13
Corie: I see you in um one of them bank car park dung tongue, the independence.
1:17:18
Corie: Well, where's called it now, Brian?
1:17:20
Corie: I promise Republic Bank Car Park.
1:17:22
Corie: And first time I see you in here, and I have known you for all my life to not just be in Hussey, but as a community man, a mover and shaker is cricket, football.
1:17:29
Corie: Whatever it's at organize, Japan organizing it, right?
1:17:32
Corie: And you say, Boy, I run in any election money.
1:17:35
Corie: I remember that.
1:17:36
Corie: I say you have my support.
1:17:39
Corie: I say you have my support, you have my vote and I go on, I go on my way, right?
1:17:42
Corie: And you say, Correct.
1:17:43
Corie: I say, What happened?
1:17:44
Corie: You say, but you didn't ask me who I'm going for.
1:17:46
Corie: And my response is I don't care.
1:17:48
Corie: I don't care.
1:17:49
Corie: It don't matter if Jappa going up, I don't it does not matter the party to me because that just was.
1:17:54
SPEAKER_01: I personally, um, that was done by just saying because I was never a telling air plane.
1:18:00
SPEAKER_01: I was always a community active as meaning thing, right?
1:18:02
SPEAKER_01: Helping, doing this, doing that, whatever.
1:18:04
SPEAKER_01: But you never see me loading up nobody out there and think, oh, I want this too.
1:18:08
SPEAKER_01: I'm a co.
1:18:08
SPEAKER_01: I I I didn't even know they're conks a long time.
1:18:11
SPEAKER_01: We've we doing things we see conks.
1:18:13
SPEAKER_01: We yeah, we conks in myself, right?
1:18:15
SPEAKER_01: We we all get permission from Miss Piper to use court.
1:18:17
SPEAKER_01: And if the court is not like we buy lines, everybody put in a we go and miss Barbara, she will give my give me bulb.
1:18:23
Corie: Uh huh.
1:18:23
Corie: We go pay.
1:18:25
Corie: But there's something we must say.
1:18:26
Corie: You see, St.
1:18:27
Corie: James businesses, Barbara and them, Larry, Dennis Parents, the bars up, the bars on the main road.
1:18:33
Corie: St.
1:18:33
Corie: James is a place where and I see BD and them carrying that on now and never reach the Juve and whatever you go for independent.
1:18:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the people just come out and just cricket.
1:18:40
SPEAKER_01: Because long term we are cricket, and he babs, we bulb gone long.
1:18:44
SPEAKER_01: Now that's a government facility.
1:18:46
SPEAKER_01: Come now, don't go down and organize that.
1:18:48
SPEAKER_01: And don't come out and put up the lights for week.
1:18:51
SPEAKER_01: Now we get in fancy floodlights and then put in whatever.
1:18:53
SPEAKER_01: So different community, right?
1:18:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:18:56
SPEAKER_01: But I really just put myself out there, just uh no, officially to kind of assist people more than you understand because sometimes you need a little way to kind of hey clean up or don't need because the greatest thing for me being a local government rep is um being to help your community.
1:19:14
SPEAKER_01: And when I say community, not my electoral district alone, but the catchment area.
1:19:18
SPEAKER_01: The catchment area, cooker, because people may not know who is who, and they really need assistance, and you know, you could advise them because I have friends from all over.
1:19:30
SPEAKER_01: A man going from Shogona say, something with this boy, you can advise me.
1:19:37
SPEAKER_01: I said, Well, you I you I mean, I need your help.
1:19:42
SPEAKER_01: You you had the experience, you could, and you know, it's nothing.
1:19:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
1:19:44
SPEAKER_01: I said, Boy, look, we am onto this agents, you know, because about helping people.
1:19:49
SPEAKER_01: Because I said, I never fall in love with being a counselor.
1:19:56
SPEAKER_01: I fell in love with a beautiful woman and I married she.
1:19:59
SPEAKER_01: She's always snapped, and that is it.
1:20:01
SPEAKER_01: And I teach her.
1:20:02
SPEAKER_01: And I'm happy with that.
1:20:03
SPEAKER_01: You understand?
1:20:04
SPEAKER_01: One wife, happy life.
1:20:05
SPEAKER_01: I married, and I good.
1:20:06
SPEAKER_01: You understand?
1:20:07
SPEAKER_01: That is it.
1:20:08
SPEAKER_01: So, concerts are not on my boat, paper.
1:20:10
SPEAKER_01: So, wherever, if God wants me to continue, so be it.
1:20:15
SPEAKER_01: If you don't, that is that is how I operate.
1:20:16
SPEAKER_01: That is just how I watch you, oh, you.
1:20:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that is how I move, you know what I'm saying?
1:20:19
SPEAKER_01: But it's a it's a help, people, you know what I mean.
1:20:21
SPEAKER_01: And I was never really saying, you know, it's Wendell.
1:20:25
SPEAKER_01: I'm glad you say it's Wendell.
1:20:26
SPEAKER_01: Wendell, I need no Wendell.
1:20:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:20:29
SPEAKER_01: And you know, they were like, you know, because people knew me from doing cricket and but I never do anything for get no publicity.
1:20:34
SPEAKER_01: It's about men want to sweat, so let me do all the league.
1:20:38
SPEAKER_01: And we just come on wherever.
1:20:40
SPEAKER_01: But um, I hope you have to be some cricket.
1:20:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I come in, I come in.
1:20:44
SPEAKER_01: Coming back up.
1:20:45
SPEAKER_01: Coming back out, I'm coming back out um from next month.
1:20:48
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
1:20:48
SPEAKER_01: And we're doing some.
1:20:49
SPEAKER_01: This and not to be no conks, I think.
1:20:51
SPEAKER_01: This just coming out the one in cards.
1:20:53
SPEAKER_01: Whoever wanna play on a uniform and thing, you know.
1:20:56
SPEAKER_01: We just come out short pants, we just play knocking out.
1:20:58
Corie: But whenever you say no, call me for the call me for the cricket, call me for the table to maintain that.
1:21:03
Corie: Yeah, sure.
1:21:04
Corie: And we know our children must know each other too.
1:21:06
Corie: Everybody growing up separate.
1:21:08
Corie: These two people is make sure and we are supposed to be.
1:21:10
Corie: So once you say thing, then go, then go make sure I'll go.
1:21:12
Corie: No, no, no.
1:21:12
SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the condition, I follow this man.
1:21:15
Corie: David, I follow that man.
1:21:16
SPEAKER_01: That boy that's not that thing at a tall job.
1:21:18
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, but me then observe, observe is this dialogue, careful, careful, careful.
1:21:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, watch him on social media.
1:21:26
SPEAKER_01: Keep an eye on him.
1:21:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:21:27
Corie: But I have some conditions for coming out.
1:21:29
Corie: Peter, Peter care bowling, Peter Rustel bowling.
1:21:31
Corie: I alright, good.
1:21:32
Corie: Well, I'll come on.
1:21:35
Corie: Just thing in there with our ball.
1:21:37
Corie: Seiko too.
1:21:38
Corie: It doesn't mean every sport that have they could play there.
1:21:41
Corie: Yeah, it's okay.
1:21:42
Corie: I'll pass.
1:21:42
Corie: I'll pass.
1:21:43
SPEAKER_01: But you know, as you have seco.
1:21:46
SPEAKER_01: And I hope you don't care about it.
1:21:47
SPEAKER_01: I did say co leaf flippers, penalty shooters and he paws.
1:21:52
SPEAKER_01: We have a tasa box gone.
1:21:54
SPEAKER_01: I say, fellas, yeah, no boy, we had a carry seco.
1:21:56
SPEAKER_01: So we come now, we're waiting.
1:21:58
SPEAKER_01: We wear everybody dressed, we are clothes and any cow.
1:22:00
SPEAKER_01: Penalty thing, boy.
1:22:02
SPEAKER_01: Why is he seek who just boy man takes?
1:22:05
SPEAKER_01: Go on.
1:22:06
SPEAKER_01: Say co where going.
1:22:07
SPEAKER_01: I say, cow, yeah.
1:22:09
SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
1:22:10
SPEAKER_01: I say cow, we really love tassa.
1:22:14
SPEAKER_01: For sure.
1:22:14
SPEAKER_01: For sure.
1:22:15
SPEAKER_01: That's especially now.
1:22:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:22:17
SPEAKER_01: Boy, I see how seman boy.
1:22:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, start here, boy.
1:22:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:22:24
SPEAKER_01: It's a pleasure.
1:22:25
SPEAKER_01: It's a pleasure, Corey.
1:22:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you have him in here.
1:22:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:22:27
SPEAKER_01: I mean, and keep keep doing the good work.
1:22:29
SPEAKER_01: You're on your team.
1:22:30
SPEAKER_01: I mean, and at the end of the day, it's about spreading the knowledge.
1:22:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean, knowledge is power.
1:22:36
SPEAKER_01: And we invite members of the public to come down.
1:22:40
SPEAKER_01: We come in for the music.
1:22:41
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:22:41
SPEAKER_01: And anybody who follows any best podcast in the world, come down.
1:22:48
SPEAKER_02: Come on, the best last.