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Ep. 04: Improv, Delusion & The Reality We Choose · age

• 0:00
  Reggie, what was your favorite part of today's episode?
• 0:06
  Oh man, that's a tough question.
• 0:10
  You know, I think that favorite part of today's episode was hearing about Tim's potential of wearing a kiln to his neck.
• 0:20
  So Tim's fashion, basically, we all agree.
• 0:22
  Thank you.
• 0:23
  I will, what was your favorite part of this episode?
• 0:25
  I think Dylan's closet advice was great and something that I will actually use.
• 0:30
  Thank you.
• 0:31
  I liked how delusional I was and Tim called me out on it.
• 0:34
  Incredible.
• 0:35
  My favorite part was Dylan too.
• 0:37
  I asked her a question about improv and delusion and she answered the coolest way possible.
• 0:42
  Oh, Dylan's always the coolest way possible.
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  My favorite part was learning that Tim's style is James Bond meets Indiana Jones.
• 0:52
  And I'm measuring everyone of his outfits, but I'm nervous.
• 0:57
  I reveal too much.
• 1:10
  Wow.
• 1:11
  That is a great clacker.
• 1:13
  Reggie.
• 1:14
  Reggie, when you bought that clacker, I really thought it was a failure because it was a hingable.
• 1:19
  No, it was a hingable piece of thought I failed.
• 1:23
  And then the first clacker, and I was like, Reggie, you need me to talk to him out.
• 1:27
  He just had to buy a clacker.
• 1:29
  I actually tried to get as close to the clacker that Mary gave as an example.
• 1:34
  So it's really married.
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  Mary is the brilliant one.
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  Makes the sound.
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  I don't see it.
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  That clacker is great.
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  It's a great one.
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  I don't think it'd pay $300 for it or whatever, like an official one would have caused.
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  Like it was.
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  Now they have digital ones.
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  $650.
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  I forgot to tell you.
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  I do think that's a failure.
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  It sounds like the early Star Wars movie.
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  I'm really afraid to be on this head, but we need to return that clacker.
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  So we started the clock.
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  Okay.
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  This is the real part class.
• 2:04
  Hey there.
• 2:05
  Welcome to age.
• 2:07
  I am your host, Reggie Tidwell.
• 2:09
  This is Dylan Garcia, Tim Strauss.
• 2:11
  Hello.
• 2:12
  Mary Green.
• 2:13
  And I am very happy to be back.
• 2:15
  I was on vacation last week.
• 2:16
  And we had a very lovely agey incident for me.
• 2:20
  Yeah.
• 2:21
  And you haven't listened yet, right?
• 2:22
  Well, I haven't.
• 2:23
  How was that?
• 2:24
  She was great, but she's no Reggie.
• 2:25
  Yeah.
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  She was great.
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  I was concerned that I might not have a seat when I come back.
• 2:29
  No, no, no.
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  She was.
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  She was.
• 2:32
  Okay.
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  There was a moment where I was like, you know what?
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  Maybe Reggie doesn't have to be in.
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  I've retained every other week, so that's good.
• 2:40
  There's no truth in that, Jess.
• 2:41
  I was purely jelly.
• 2:42
  Oh, yeah.
• 2:43
  It was fun, but I think it's a little, it's always a little different introducing a new person
• 2:49
  into it, which is fresh and sort of exciting in some ways.
• 2:53
  It's great because she knows all of us.
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  So I can imagine she felt right at home with just this context.
• 2:59
  She didn't say her, we asked her at the end what her favorite part of the episode was.
• 3:04
  And I forget, she probably phrased it much more eloquently than this.
• 3:07
  I can't remember.
• 3:08
  She was like, didn't you just say whatever the hell I wanted to say?
• 3:10
  Yeah.
• 3:11
  Yeah.
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  It's not the ending.
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  Not the jazz, just something.
• 3:14
  Yeah.
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  This is a show, as you know, that we don't take ourselves too seriously.
• 3:19
  We say whatever the hell we want to say.
• 3:21
  And we just really hope that you guys resonate with the things that we are seeing.
• 3:26
  So that said, I want to get our topic going for the day.
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  So let's pick...
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  Why are we pulling it from trash can?
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  We don't know.
• 3:32
  Yeah.
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  It's a nice trash can, though.
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  We debated a lot about what the appropriate trash can was.
• 3:37
  That sounds like a nice thing.
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  I think it's going to be something weird.
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  Or maybe it'd be something weird.
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  It's your day.
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  Oh, man.
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  The topic chooses you.
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  They're actually the same thing.
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  My heart.
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  We break, right?
• 3:51
  Yeah, we break.
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  Oh, this will be a fun one.
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  Alright, let's see.
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  You guys don't get to see it first.
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  Did you see it?
• 3:57
  You see it?
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  I'm going to see it first.
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  Oh, man.
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  The topic chooses you.
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  They're actually the same thing.
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  My heart.
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  My heart.
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  My heart.
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  My heart.
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  My heart.
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  My heart.
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  My heart.
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  My heart.
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  My heart.
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  My heart.
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  My heart.
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  From the back, I thought it said morph v.
• 4:16
  Yeah.
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  I have no first impression of morph v.
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  Yes.
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  I was hoping for morph v.
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  All life is improv.
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  That's what came to my mind.
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  Interesting.
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  This is improv.
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  This is exactly.
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  No, this is age.
• 4:31
  Oh, this is age.
• 4:32
  Oh, that's right.
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  Sorry.
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  This is age.
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  Don't get it twisted.
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  This is age.
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  Improv is another show.
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  That's our spin-off series.
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  This is going to be your show.
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  You're the improv master.
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  Oh, I know.
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  I get it because I was right.
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  I was sticking notes on that wall.
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  Yeah.
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  It was like 90% of them were married.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I thought I like to think I was channeling the group.
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  At the time.
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  The second one.
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  When we were concepting the show,
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  it took us a while to get to the idea of like,
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  what if we just talked about something random every time
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  and keep it really fresh?
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  And like, improv came up as one of the tools
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  that maybe would help us keep it fresh
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  or like help us develop like a troop mentality.
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  We did just like a very superficial sort of like,
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  hey, welcome to improv.
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  Like, Tina Fey had a great talk,
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  and I showed that one.
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  We loved it.
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  But it did end up with like, oh,
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  I'm not going to say a million.
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  A hundred at least sticking out spawn.
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  There's like this elephant door in the old office.
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  It was a lot of topics.
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  But I think I did probably right.
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  Half of them.
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  So when I think improv,
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  I actually get a little scared
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  because like, there are people who are good at improv.
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  And I find them very intimidating.
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  And it's like to say like, you know improv.
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  It could get like kind of out of hand, kind of quickly.
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  And I don't have like formal training.
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  I've maybe taken a course or two.
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  And then we have a lot of great improv
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  troops here in Asheville.
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  And I've seen a handful of them.
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  And they're so entertaining.
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  I haven't been to one here.
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  Oh, yeah, go.
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  They.
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  So I was on a show called the hometown show
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  that our buddy, George A. Y.
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  puts on.
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  He puts on out at Asheville pizza.
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  The one on Maryland.
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  And they would basically have a guest on the show.
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  And I was the guest on this particular show.
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  And asked them questions about their upbringing
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  and like who they are.
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  I mean, it's usually people that are notable
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  and asked about this.
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  No.
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  What's your upbringing?
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  Well, I don't know.
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  I was raised at a farm.
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  I was raised.
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  I came from another planet.
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  And this old couple found me on their farm and raised me.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  Okay, Superman.
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  Yeah.
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  So no, basically what would happen is they would ask questions.
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  And the improv troops would take turns acting out my answers.
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  Which was amazing.
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  It was the funniest thing.
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  So they do a whole Q&A and they do it in blocks.
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  So they'd ask like maybe five or seven questions.
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  And then I go off stage.
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  The host of the guest goes off stage.
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  And the improv troops come on.
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  And they just kind of, you know,
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  wing it, taking turns, acting out the stuff that I just said.
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  And it was just gold mine.
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  It's brilliant.
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  How do you recommend it?
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  When you said you get scared about it,
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  I feel the same way.
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  You know, really in high school and theater.
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  And they always, I don't know,
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  this is probably the worst place to try out.
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  Improvison, you're in high school and you're already
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  really nervous and awkward.
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  Well, everybody's kind of just a little bit mean in high school.
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  A lot on purpose.
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  And then they put you on the spot with something random
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  that you have to come up with.
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  And if you mess up,
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  somebody's going to totally manage it.
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  Right.
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  And there was always someone really good.
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  And then there was always someone that was like,
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  and I, they've got, yeah.
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  The people who were good at it, they're not,
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  I mean, I'm sure there are people who like
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  studied the form and like are very cerebral about it.
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  But so rarely is it just that somebody's really,
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  really smart.
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  It's usually just that they're loose.
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  Yeah.
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  They're just like rolling with it.
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  And with it.
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  Yeah.
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  And they're not trying so hard.
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  Right.
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  And we know nothing of this.
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  Jeez, that's what I'm saying.
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  It feels like that was more training for real life than all
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  the other classes I was taking.
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  I was just about to say that improv probably
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  does set people up for success in life.
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  Because you kind of have to be able to just, you know,
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  switch on the dime and roll with whatever's been given to you.
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  And I think improv is probably good training for that.
• 8:31
  Um, improv is cool.
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  It's like, I feel like the 20s is like so improv, though.
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  Well, that's true.
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  Like you've got no like tools with which to navigate the world.
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  Yeah.
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  And we're just kind of like throwing life.
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  Yeah.
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  It's like, who are you?
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  Like, that's cool.
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  Like, what if I was this?
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  Yeah.
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  I really like, I do hone on to that because it's just like,
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  you could do whatever you want.
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  Yeah.
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  You can be whoever you want.
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  Yeah.
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  This is you experiencing life independently
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  for the first time.
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  I also, yeah.
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  No, like that.
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  And then I also feel like once you get out of the 20s,
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  everybody's like, all right, come on, get your shit together.
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  Yeah.
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  So like, I'm not with the improv.
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  Yeah.
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  It's like 20s is improv.
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  Be done with it.
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  But yeah, I like improv from what I can tell.
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  It's really fun to sit and watch.
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  Yeah.
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  It's really fun to sit and watch.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  We used to do a thing.
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  So years ago, I had a thing called actual game night,
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  which became the sort of movement more of an era for us.
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  Not to be confused with the movie night.
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  Yeah.
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  Don't tease me either.
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  You told me about that.
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  Probably night.
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  Movie night.
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  Movie club.
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  Oh.
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  And I told you you need to bring games back.
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  And I told you that we should do something here
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  where we could get enough people.
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  I would be totally down with that.
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  I'm not in love.
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  But the cool thing about movie or game night
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  was that we started dealing this sort of spin-off
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  improv night just to try it out.
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  No, you didn't.
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  Yeah.
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  And we had a couple of people that were actually improv actors.
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  And so they would help guide some of the things that we did.
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  And oh my god.
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  I have videos.
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  I'll have to share them with you sometime.
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  But it was by far one of the most fun things that I've ever done.
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  And I was actually pretty good at it.
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  Because I can bullshit.
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  Oh.
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  You brought me a day.
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  It was like keep it flowing.
• 10:18
  Oh yeah.
• 10:19
  It was, I loved it.
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  I was like, I could totally do this.
• 10:21
  You see.
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  And you put it in a party sense.
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  I get like a shot.
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  Oh, it was just a raid vibes from this.
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  Is it like one step away from charades?
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  Uh, I mean.
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  And it part happened a bit of a vibe.
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  Like, Jonathan Ross was really good at it.
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  He's another Asheville friend of ours.
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  But I remember we were doing something together.
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  And we had to pretend we were in this car.
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  And we're like driving.
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  And we're just talking about random stuff
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  that's coming by on the road.
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  And he's like, oh, look, go help.
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  Maybe we need to go help this old guy over.
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  There was bad.
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  And we're like, fuck that guy, man.
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  We don't need to know.
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  We're just, it was just the most real raw fun, spontaneous stuff.
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  And oh my god, we should definitely do it.
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  Yeah.
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  I, one of my favorite, like, life lessons that improv is taught me.
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  And I actually worked in an agency where we started to integrate some of this.
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  Is the idea of not negating something that somebody has said,
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  which I am like a, I have a real strong sense of truth.
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  And I have a real strong sense of justice.
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  So sometimes it's in me to say, no, that's not correct.
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  But especially in a creative setting, which we always are,
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  being able to like find the nugget in what somebody else said,
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  and like cling to that and build upon it.
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  Instead of like throwing it away and being like,
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  this is garbage, let's do my idea.
• 11:39
  Yeah, yeah.
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  Has been like revelatory in my whole life.
• 11:42
  It's a different kind of freedom, right?
• 11:44
  Yeah.
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  It's like forcing you to cut ties with who you want to be in that moment
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  and being able to try something different.
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  We're like prescribing what it ought to be.
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  And the other thing is it forces you to like cling to your people.
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  You know, like, I'm not floating out here by myself.
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  Yeah.
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  You are my tether.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And so I'm going to continue rolling.
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  That's fine.
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  I mean, it also is just a really good tool for like team building,
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  like really learning how to work collaboratively with other people.
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  But what if you're an ultravert?
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  Oh, true.
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  This has came up on that episode.
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  True.
• 12:19
  You didn't watch the last episode.
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  You didn't watch it.
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  You didn't watch it.
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  To learn an ultravert.
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  At the beach with this beautiful family.
• 12:25
  That's right.
• 12:26
  I didn't want to listen to it in the car.
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  I tried.
• 12:29
  Yeah.
• 12:30
  So we gave it the car.
• 12:31
  Whatever it is, it's like, we're like, we got better things to do.
• 12:33
  Yeah.
• 12:34
  I made Alex listen to one.
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  And it's, it's like very painful to, you did this with your friends.
• 12:38
  And that's like painful to force somebody.
• 12:39
  Oh, you all are going to be forced to yeah.
• 12:40
  It's coming here.
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  I don't know what the hell you're doing.
• 12:42
  But thanks for being a parlour.
• 12:51
  We discovered a new, well, Jake Springfield reposted on Instagram.
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  This word.
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  And I can't even remember what it is.
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  I remember, all I remember is I related to it,
• 13:02
  and there's some ultraverse.
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  Thank you, Will.
• 13:04
  Yes, so it's a, they don't,
• 13:07
  well, the last part of it that I related to
• 13:08
  is that they're, they don't identify with groups.
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  Oh, you're not an ultraverse.
• 13:14
  Yes, because I've always,
• 13:15
  and Adrian felt this group,
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  and you're there every month.
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  I'm there for you.
• 13:19
  No, but like, you're there for you.
• 13:21
  No, like, I never joined Agia until you talked me into it.
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  Like, I don't like go out and join groups.
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  Like, I know you out of your ultraverse.
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  My ultraverse.
• 13:30
  That's exactly.
• 13:32
  No, I think that there's something so,
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  and I was wondering because you were saying
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  how you never negate an idea that comes out,
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  and you've actually gotten on to me for negating ideas.
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  And I am like, I'm like, I'm like a,
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  people call my wife and I, we have creative abrasion.
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  Someone named it creative abrasion.
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  I like that.
• 13:51
  Yeah, because we like spark.
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  You know, like, you can't start a fire
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  without the flint and the stone going against each other.
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  And there's like, it's, I don't know if it's aggressive.
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  If you don't know me, you can feel an aggressiveness
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  in creativity.
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  It's not like a fun, letting us create.
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  It's like, you start the fire with the flint stone, you know?
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  Tim doesn't do anything that's not raw.
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  I know it's not like that.
• 14:15
  Yeah.
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  But I've been learning.
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  I've been learning.
• 14:18
  It's not a fourth time.
• 14:19
  It's not a fourth time question.
• 14:21
  It's a fourth time question.
• 14:23
  Oh, no.
• 14:27
  It's a kids debate.
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  I mean, we have some conversational wrestling,
• 14:32
  I guess you could say.
• 14:34
  But there is, I was thinking, because you've
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  told me improv, the state is to not negate
• 14:40
  the one who comes with the idea.
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  And I think that that's what makes it flow.
• 14:44
  That's what makes it entertaining.
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  And it continues for us.
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  And it forces you into uncomfortable positions, too.
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  You're like, well, yeah, you're like, oh,
• 14:52
  this doesn't feel good.
• 14:53
  I don't like the idea of this happening.
• 14:55
  I was envisioning it going that way.
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  But you have to let go of that reality.
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  And it forces you to reckon with whatever
• 15:01
  they've put in front of you, which I hate in a new way.
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  I kind of love it at the same time,
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  because it's a different type of abrasion.
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  It's like, to go with something that you're not
• 15:13
  totally comfortable with.
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  You're like, all alone part of this instead of being
• 15:18
  against each other with it.
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  It's like, let me wrestle with it in here.
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  And let it go smooth for a minute.
• 15:24
  Someone recently told me, everything you want
• 15:26
  is downstream.
• 15:27
  Oh, at first, I was kind of against that,
• 15:30
  because I've been taught to climb upstream, get to top.
• 15:35
  And the other day, I was out in the woods with this guy's
• 15:39
  group that I'm in.
• 15:40
  And they said, just go walk by yourself
• 15:42
  and think and process.
• 15:44
  And my instinct was to go up his stream again.
• 15:46
  But then I felt this like, everything you want is downstream.
• 15:49
  And I just started going downstream.
• 15:52
  And it was so enjoyable.
• 15:53
  I was jumping from rock to rock.
• 15:55
  Like, there's so much more joy in going downstream.
• 15:58
  And I ended up with this beautiful pool.
• 16:00
  You're not climbing against the climb.
• 16:02
  You're not climbing again.
• 16:03
  Like, we're all taught to climb the ladder.
• 16:05
  And it's like this weird improv principle
• 16:08
  is kind of going downstream, going with the flow.
• 16:11
  Yeah.
• 16:12
  And not in a way of like, just let anyone do what they want.
• 16:14
  But in a way that lays at.
• 16:16
  It's not a lazy river kind of a more of a life.
• 16:19
  Like navigate.
• 16:20
  You can also twist.
• 16:21
  It can be rapid.
• 16:22
  It can be waterfalls.
• 16:23
  Totally.
• 16:24
  It can be challenging.
• 16:25
  Yeah.
• 16:26
  But yeah, the practice is in letting the flow happen and not
• 16:29
  staunching that.
• 16:30
  It's what's in the flow.
• 16:31
  Yeah.
• 16:32
  Versus what I had grown up doing, because I grew up with two brothers
• 16:36
  very close in age.
• 16:37
  One a year older and one a year and a half younger.
• 16:39
  So very.
• 16:40
  I was twice.
• 16:41
  Yeah, very close in age.
• 16:42
  So in that pursuit of survival, I learned to fight back.
• 16:47
  Yeah.
• 16:48
  That's my identity at my way.
• 16:49
  That's why you're always.
• 16:50
  Get my food.
• 16:51
  Boolean us around.
• 16:52
  Yeah.
• 16:53
  Don't mean to be.
• 16:54
  But there's a sense of like, if you don't fight, you're not
• 16:58
  going to get what you want.
• 16:59
  Yeah.
• 17:00
  Kind of thing.
• 17:01
  And but what it, it's like interesting to learn that you get what you want
• 17:05
  when you go into flow.
• 17:07
  And then you have more of an opportunity to turn it.
• 17:09
  Because then you're not fighting.
• 17:11
  What's the saying?
• 17:12
  You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
• 17:14
  Yeah.
• 17:15
  Yeah.
• 17:16
  Yeah.
• 17:17
  Yeah.
• 17:18
  You challenged me and I'm having to reconcile that.
• 17:21
  So let me challenge you.
• 17:22
  Yeah.
• 17:23
  Like it's sort of like a one-uping and you can see people who are really good
• 17:26
  at it.
• 17:27
  It's like their eyes sparkle when somebody throws them a curveball.
• 17:30
  They're like, you're on my level.
• 17:32
  Yeah.
• 17:33
  Yeah.
• 17:34
  Yeah.
• 17:35
  It's like really stimulating.
• 17:36
  I would imagine.
• 17:37
  I would ever get it.
• 17:38
  All this sounds really good.
• 17:40
  Like I think I feel like improv is a really good tool of force out in the world.
• 17:44
  But is there anything that drives you crazy about it?
• 17:47
  Like, is there anything like that?
• 17:48
  I mean, the same thing drives me crazy that I love.
• 17:51
  Yeah.
• 17:52
  It takes so long, you know, like working with people and you like have to go with it.
• 17:57
  And there's an instinct to say, I know already know what I want.
• 18:00
  And that's a bad instinct, I think.
• 18:02
  Because then you just, I think you just push through hints that you're in the wrong direction.
• 18:07
  Sometimes, but I think it's like I love hate relationship for me.
• 18:10
  It drives me crazy at the same time.
• 18:12
  Yeah.
• 18:13
  I just don't know enough about it.
• 18:15
  Like I...
• 18:16
  Can you improv an answer?
• 18:18
  I just did.
• 18:19
  I know.
• 18:20
  I know.
• 18:21
  I know.
• 18:22
  You know everything.
• 18:23
  Well, about improv.
• 18:24
  Well, did you know it started in 1731?
• 18:27
  That sounds like some shit.
• 18:28
  I would have said on the stage on the theater.
• 18:30
  Totally.
• 18:31
  I watched that thing back, y'all.
• 18:33
  I don't know anything about theater.
• 18:36
  We never try to say a name of a person or the title of a book.
• 18:41
  Don't let me try to give you a date in history unless something happens.
• 18:45
  Like, don't listen to anything coming out of my life.
• 18:48
  I'm more of a concept person.
• 18:50
  You know?
• 18:51
  That's how I am.
• 18:53
  There's nothing really that drives me crazy because I don't know much.
• 18:56
  I mean, I get the concept.
• 18:57
  I like the concept.
• 18:58
  I'm like, we'll have to put you in some places and you'll know it.
• 19:03
  Maybe.
• 19:04
  Give me a couple of weeks post this episode and then I'll have some ideas.
• 19:08
  We just start having some field trips and we'll send Dylan out.
• 19:12
  It's like, go over that table and just tell them you're a budding actress.
• 19:16
  Tell them what I have no problem telling those films that you're in.
• 19:19
  Dylan would be like all over that.
• 19:21
  Yeah, she would actually be really, really good at it.
• 19:23
  And they would believe it because they have this like Hollywood.
• 19:27
  Have you ever seen Ozark?
• 19:28
  Yeah.
• 19:29
  Don't be here.
• 19:32
  You actually, if you were to try it in fact.
• 19:37
  In fact, you were talking about theater the gateway apparently.
• 19:41
  She is.
• 19:42
  She is.
• 19:43
  Yeah, for Dylan at least.
• 19:46
  I think that if you were to go try some improv classes,
• 19:49
  you would at first feel like flustered and scared.
• 19:51
  Yeah.
• 19:52
  And it would probably be a lot of people who are older than you.
• 19:54
  But you get along quite well with people of all ages.
• 19:57
  I think you would have a great time.
• 19:59
  And I think you would discover you have like a core capability
• 20:03
  for this or aptitude for this.
• 20:05
  Because I do think, and I've watched you do this,
• 20:08
  it's just it's just committing to the bit, baby.
• 20:11
  That is true.
• 20:12
  It's just being like, okay, I'm accepting this as true
• 20:14
  and how do we roll with it?
• 20:16
  She's greater than you would thrive in that kind of environment.
• 20:19
  There is some kind of acute female's about some kind of actual improv thing
• 20:23
  that's coming up.
• 20:24
  Maybe we can.
• 20:25
  Oh.
• 20:26
  What's the meta level here?
• 20:28
  Is improv not in?
• 20:31
  Oh, I don't know.
• 20:32
  I think it is.
• 20:33
  I don't know.
• 20:34
  Is it a youth thing?
• 20:35
  I think it is a youth thing.
• 20:37
  I just don't think we have like, I don't think we're calling it improv.
• 20:40
  What do we call it, do you think?
• 20:41
  Life.
• 20:42
  Yeah.
• 20:43
  I was like, life.
• 20:44
  Trying to figure out what I'm doing.
• 20:45
  Yeah.
• 20:46
  Trying to figure all the shit out.
• 20:47
  Like, have you ever had like a friend who's like so bought into this trend?
• 20:51
  And it's like just not them, but they're like in it.
• 20:54
  Yeah.
• 20:55
  Like, we've got all that like experiences.
• 20:57
  So like, I feel like I am embodied by improv.
• 21:00
  It's just like, it's just, we're not calling it improv.
• 21:03
  Right.
• 21:04
  It's like a blind leader, blind.
• 21:05
  Oh, yeah.
• 21:06
  Yeah.
• 21:07
  One of my best friends likes to feign that he's really into a cold plunging.
• 21:10
  Goes every Thursday night.
• 21:11
  Oh, yeah.
• 21:12
  He hates it.
• 21:13
  He sounds like a loser.
• 21:14
  Yeah, I know.
• 21:15
  He sounds like a loser.
• 21:16
  Well, he sounds hideous.
• 21:17
  Well, he's a guy.
• 21:18
  Well, he's a guy.
• 21:19
  Oh.
• 21:20
  He's a guy.
• 21:21
  Oh.
• 21:22
  Is this also the group where don't you guys go and get naked?
• 21:25
  Oh, it's totally naked.
• 21:26
  It is.
• 21:28
  It's a different group.
• 21:29
  Oh, it's a different group.
• 21:30
  Oh, it's a different group.
• 21:31
  It's a different group.
• 21:32
  It's a different group.
• 21:33
  You don't know.
• 21:34
  That was not in that area.
• 21:35
  No.
• 21:36
  I was fully close.
• 21:37
  It was not the cold crunch group.
• 21:38
  Wow.
• 21:39
  I didn't want to cold crunch because it was a river, but it's a different group.
• 21:43
  Yeah, you couldn't just get it.
• 21:44
  Yeah.
• 21:45
  You couldn't just get it.
• 21:46
  Yeah, I couldn't go.
• 21:47
  Great.
• 21:48
  It's wondering.
• 21:49
  There's nothing weird happening.
• 21:50
  It's just a beautiful place.
• 21:52
  Here's the thing.
• 21:53
  I know where it is relative.
• 21:54
  I'll give you the logic.
• 21:55
  And I've done it.
• 21:56
  I'll give you the logic.
• 21:57
  When you get out of water, freezing water in the dead of winter.
• 22:00
  Yeah.
• 22:01
  And you have to deal with trunks frozen to you.
• 22:03
  That is no good.
• 22:04
  Is this a rope?
• 22:05
  No, this is for real.
• 22:06
  Oh, this is for real life.
• 22:07
  Yeah, this is for real life.
• 22:08
  And real life.
• 22:09
  It's a good problem.
• 22:10
  And I'm going to pass it over to you in a second.
• 22:13
  That's good.
• 22:14
  And the question we bring up in the meetings with somebody saying something.
• 22:16
  It's this is for real life.
• 22:19
  The answer is for real life.
• 22:20
  If somebody's saying something that you're not vibing with,
• 22:23
  or it feels like they're boasting,
• 22:24
  just just lean overseas.
• 22:26
  And I'll say,
• 22:27
  well, I know this is not about cold plundering,
• 22:29
  but since you bring it up.
• 22:31
  Is it not about cold plundering, though?
• 22:34
  The first seven times I went,
• 22:36
  I refused to go naked because of all the weirdness,
• 22:39
  the vibes and ridicule and all this stuff.
• 22:42
  And I also grew up a very prudish Christian.
• 22:45
  So nudity was a thing where you don't do it or it's evil or whatever it is.
• 22:49
  So when they told me they were going,
• 22:51
  they were going, hey, I was like, what?
• 22:53
  I'm not doing that.
• 22:54
  And I held onto my trunks for a long time.
• 22:57
  Flops.
• 22:58
  Flops.
• 22:59
  You literally hold them off.
• 23:00
  And I did.
• 23:01
  And I did.
• 23:02
  And it was a pain.
• 23:03
  You get out of the water.
• 23:04
  And you got these wet freezing.
• 23:06
  It's 20 degrees outside.
• 23:07
  Oh.
• 23:08
  The water is like in the mid-30s.
• 23:10
  And the trunks are frozen.
• 23:11
  And you got to put them in the back.
• 23:13
  It's good and cool.
• 23:14
  Or something to get them back.
• 23:15
  You're going to get naked at some point anyway.
• 23:17
  And we're not cold plundering in a sauna.
• 23:19
  We're cold plundering out in the river.
• 23:20
  So you've got to hike back out and get into your car.
• 23:22
  So by the seventh one, I was like, you know what?
• 23:24
  I'm doing this.
• 23:25
  And I was embarrassed by doing it because I grew up the way I grew up.
• 23:29
  But to be in the water with nothing between you and the elements.
• 23:32
  Oh, yeah.
• 23:33
  It's crazy.
• 23:34
  It was.
• 23:35
  And I'm beyond it now.
• 23:36
  I'm like, so non-prudish now.
• 23:37
  Oh, it was naked my first time.
• 23:39
  You were.
• 23:40
  I was impressed with that.
• 23:42
  I was impressed with that.
• 23:43
  You were just like, let's do this.
• 23:44
  Yeah.
• 23:45
  And we identified with the group.
• 23:46
  He wasn't pushing against the tide.
• 23:49
  Yeah, like whatever.
• 23:51
  Yeah.
• 23:52
  Well, I was born naked.
• 23:53
  So.
• 23:54
  Well, in high school, they make fun of you in locker rooms.
• 23:57
  Dude.
• 23:58
  When you get naked.
• 23:59
  So that.
• 24:00
  You can go to the bathroom without people laughing.
• 24:02
  You couldn't do number two's at the school.
• 24:05
  I remember going home, everybody was.
• 24:07
  Man, kids laughing you for the dumbest stuff.
• 24:10
  My kids don't do a number two's in their bathroom.
• 24:12
  At school.
• 24:13
  That's so funny.
• 24:14
  They hold it in.
• 24:16
  Because it's illegal.
• 24:18
  It's understandable illegal to have cameras in the bathroom.
• 24:21
  But the kids at their school wreck their bathroom.
• 24:24
  Like, they're writing all over the walls.
• 24:26
  They're like throwing toilet paper down the toilets.
• 24:28
  For us, it was if somebody would like come in to pee and see you in there.
• 24:32
  And push you against the wall.
• 24:34
  No, and then they go and tell everybody he was in there doing number two.
• 24:37
  And then like they all laugh.
• 24:39
  And then I never did it thankfully because I didn't want that.
• 24:43
  See an improv.
• 24:44
  You'd be like, yes, I was doing number two.
• 24:45
  And.
• 24:46
  Right.
• 24:47
  Yes.
• 24:48
  And it was like, yeah.
• 24:49
  What were you going to say?
• 24:51
  I was going to say.
• 24:52
  How cool would it have been that if they have like an improv class for like kindergarten
• 24:58
  or so they can actually navigate those.
• 25:00
  No.
• 25:01
  I think kindergarten is always their improv.
• 25:03
  They're improv.
• 25:04
  They're like you embody improv.
• 25:06
  I think kindergarten.
• 25:07
  Not your kindergarten.
• 25:08
  That's okay.
• 25:09
  I inhaled it.
• 25:10
  Yeah.
• 25:11
  In the good way.
• 25:12
  But you.
• 25:13
  The last episode that that kid came up at the zoo.
• 25:15
  You're Alex.
• 25:16
  I have a gut.
• 25:17
  That's improv.
• 25:18
  That is awesome.
• 25:19
  Yeah.
• 25:20
  Well, I love it.
• 25:21
  Okay.
• 25:22
  And this is where it's business advice, but more importantly, it's life advice.
• 25:26
  Like, I, it's, it opened my brain.
• 25:29
  Sorry, I got something in my eye.
• 25:31
  It opened my brain to the idea of, okay, not everything has to start with my idea.
• 25:36
  I forced myself to let go a little bit and play with people.
• 25:42
  And then you start to ask yourself, okay, what's the game I'm playing?
• 25:46
  Yeah.
• 25:47
  And I think if you can start every day like that, I heard somebody on TikTok or ever who's like,
• 25:51
  yeah, I want to go with my friends.
• 25:52
  We have to come up with a bit.
• 25:53
  Like, what's the bit tonight?
• 25:54
  Because you know, people go out to a bar or a club or whatever.
• 25:57
  And when they kind of like, I think a lot of people have a really lame time.
• 26:01
  Yeah.
• 26:02
  Because we've kind of lost the ability to like come and be.
• 26:05
  Yeah.
• 26:06
  What's the bit?
• 26:07
  And dance, whatever.
• 26:08
  So like they would come up with some kooky thing that they were doing that evening.
• 26:11
  And then like the whole night becomes this like three acts sort of like.
• 26:14
  And then this happened.
• 26:15
  And then that that happened.
• 26:16
  And you've got like a narrative structure for it.
• 26:18
  Yeah.
• 26:19
  You live like this.
• 26:20
  We don't always name the game.
• 26:21
  There's a heavy bit.
• 26:22
  Oh, but there's always some little ruse.
• 26:25
  Yeah.
• 26:26
  It's funny because you know, I was just on vacation.
• 26:29
  I did a nice hike in this wildlife reserve, which was awesome.
• 26:35
  And one of my nephews was just, you know, walking along.
• 26:39
  He's like, I saw a bear.
• 26:40
  I was like, he didn't.
• 26:41
  He's like, yeah, yeah.
• 26:42
  It was a big bear over there.
• 26:44
  Then I saw like a, I saw like three lizards.
• 26:48
  And he was telling you all these stories.
• 26:50
  And I knew I was like, I was calling bullshit.
• 26:52
  Yeah.
• 26:53
  But I was like playing along.
• 26:54
  Because it was like.
• 26:55
  I was calling bullshit.
• 26:56
  Yeah.
• 26:57
  I was like, he's totally new.
• 26:59
  Oh, probably.
• 27:00
  He's like, this is, but that was his imagination.
• 27:03
  Like coming out.
• 27:04
  And he was sharing with me.
• 27:05
  But that's what I felt like a gift to me.
• 27:07
  But that's where we get taught not to do anymore.
• 27:09
  People call bullshit.
• 27:10
  And that's when you start having to grow up.
• 27:12
  Oh, yeah.
• 27:13
  There's no more pretend.
• 27:14
  You can't say though.
• 27:15
  Right.
• 27:16
  No, I didn't want to do that for him.
• 27:17
  I'm like, dude, okay.
• 27:19
  What?
• 27:20
  How big was it?
• 27:21
  It was really big.
• 27:22
  I'm like, dude, I hate I missed it.
• 27:24
  Yeah.
• 27:25
  You see it again.
• 27:26
  Because I don't want to see it.
• 27:27
  I feel like I'm missed out.
• 27:28
  But the two of you for a moment, at least.
• 27:30
  You were in this little reality bubble together where you decided there was a bear.
• 27:34
  Yeah.
• 27:35
  And I just feel like there's so many times in life.
• 27:38
  And even an agency life where like even if we can all like wink at the camera and be like, that's not real.
• 27:44
  We could just look at each other and be like, yeah, she was having a really bad day.
• 27:48
  Instead of like, she was really mean to me.
• 27:50
  Right.
• 27:51
  Or, you know, the even more absurd version of it.
• 27:54
  Like, yeah, she tripped getting out of the car this morning and spilled hot coffee all over herself.
• 27:58
  Like you tell yourself the whatever.
• 28:00
  Yeah.
• 28:01
  It would be a bad day.
• 28:02
  But yeah, I think there's just something about like deciding what reality you want to live in for a minute.
• 28:07
  And something to call a delusion.
• 28:09
  And how brave you're going to live in that reality.
• 28:12
  Yeah.
• 28:13
  And there's a limit, right?
• 28:14
  Like you can't go fudge some numbers and be like, yeah, the numbers are in financially.
• 28:19
  We should do this.
• 28:20
  Isn't that what the government's doing?
• 28:22
  I love that you can fight numbers as the government.
• 28:26
  But then you get your own taxes and you can't fudge those numbers.
• 28:29
  Yeah.
• 28:30
  You can't go trillions of dollars in debt in your own home taxes.
• 28:33
  No.
• 28:34
  Oh man.
• 28:35
  God.
• 28:36
  There is that line though of like improv serves until, and I don't know where that line in the sand is.
• 28:43
  It was not a business because I will tell you, I feel like when we pitch the clients when we are at the table with clients,
• 28:50
  doesn't it feel a little bit like improv?
• 28:53
  Like we go to the table.
• 28:54
  Oh, we're not really knowing exactly what we're going to say.
• 28:56
  I mean, when I think when Dylan came in, she was improvving with us.
• 29:00
  Oh, yeah, totally.
• 29:01
  Like, can you do this?
• 29:02
  Yeah, I can do that.
• 29:03
  No, everyone does that.
• 29:04
  Yeah.
• 29:05
  And she, but she learns.
• 29:06
  She does.
• 29:07
  Yeah.
• 29:08
  Yeah.
• 29:09
  It feels like that.
• 29:10
  When we're at the table, it feels like we are creating this magical world because we're having to do a little bit of a song and dance because we want the clients to trust us and give us the business because we know we're going to crush it.
• 29:23
  Yeah.
• 29:24
  And so of course, we're just like feeding off of each other.
• 29:26
  Well, we just have to, and when we all take our improv class, I'm sure they'll teach us about this.
• 29:30
  You have to like make some agreements at the beginning.
• 29:33
  And a lot of times there are some implicit agreements baked into the practice of improv, like the SN and the not negating things.
• 29:39
  Right.
• 29:40
  But then there are like games that you can play that you can also do more freeform, but you kind of have to build skills in the games.
• 29:47
  And so you ask yourself, what game are you playing?
• 29:49
  What are the assumptions of that world?
• 29:51
  And I think when you go to pitch a client or you're in a meeting with a client trying to workshop a creative idea, you as a group have made some agreements.
• 29:59
  Yeah.
• 30:00
  About like what are things that won't change.
• 30:03
  Yeah.
• 30:04
  They're implied when you walk in a meeting.
• 30:05
  Yeah.
• 30:06
  And I think if we're all on agreement about the input, so to speak, that's why like research matters a lot.
• 30:11
  And having like a body of facts.
• 30:14
  If you will, just for everybody to say yes, I'm free.
• 30:17
  Yeah, exactly.
• 30:18
  Yeah.
• 30:19
  Like a facts machine.
• 30:20
  It's good.
• 30:21
  A ton of little facts.
• 30:22
  Yeah.
• 30:24
  It has to be facts.
• 30:25
  Siri wants to accidentally put F-A-X as I was voice transcribing my text instead of F-A-C-D-I.
• 30:32
  So it became this running joke.
• 30:34
  I'm like, facts.
• 30:35
  Facts.
• 30:36
  Facts.
• 30:37
  It's pretty good.
• 30:38
  Facts.
• 30:39
  Apropriate.
• 30:40
  Correct.
• 30:41
  Long story short, I think you're completely right, but it's like the whole point is not to come in with a preconceived idea and fight for that idea.
• 30:48
  The idea is come in with an idea and see how it evolves and is shaped by the conversation and let it go.
• 30:56
  And I don't know this perspective is shared by the whole industry.
• 30:59
  There are a lot of, I know creatives in general will fight for their ideas.
• 31:03
  There are a lot of agencies that literally, and I've been here as well, literally feel like they know the right answer against whatever the client says.
• 31:11
  Oh, I've never known that feeling.
• 31:14
  But Regina, we're meeting with a pretty well known designer and he said that his perspective when he would go in with the client was like they were his friends.
• 31:23
  And this is a really, really successful designer.
• 31:26
  The top.
• 31:27
  And he said that when he would go in and they would suggest when they were going to be edits, he'd be like, yeah.
• 31:35
  And he really like would work with them.
• 31:37
  You know, we're taught to like, oh, the client always says make the logo bigger.
• 31:40
  The client always says.
• 31:41
  We hold the line of what good is.
• 31:43
  We hold the standard.
• 31:44
  Exactly.
• 31:45
  And we're like this.
• 31:46
  We have our noses up of what looks good and what doesn't look good.
• 31:49
  And when he said that, I totally, I felt myself soften towards connect with the client feeling.
• 31:57
  Yeah.
• 31:58
  Instead of fighting for this, I want this sort of getting offended.
• 32:02
  I mean, the reality is clients can actually, because it's not their world, they can come up with some ideas that feel like you do want to like scoff at them.
• 32:12
  That's the reality.
• 32:13
  But his perspective really did shift the perception of that.
• 32:17
  Right.
• 32:18
  When a client comes up with an idea, they're just trying to communicate the essence of what they want.
• 32:22
  Like an objective.
• 32:23
  Yeah.
• 32:24
  Like a friend.
• 32:25
  So the challenge is to our friends perspective, like is to take that and turn it into something a little more positive and a little more collaborative.
• 32:37
  Like, okay, well, I hear what you're saying.
• 32:39
  But maybe this is what you mean.
• 32:40
  Or maybe something like this might work.
• 32:42
  And like you said, it feels more like a friendship.
• 32:44
  And less like, I'm the designer and you're the client.
• 32:47
  You have no idea what you're talking about.
• 32:49
  We're here to solve a problem.
• 32:50
  Like at the end of the day, yes, we love design and we love making things.
• 32:54
  But if it doesn't solve a problem or help somebody and we can't tell them what would help them.
• 33:00
  You know, they've got to tell us in a way and we just support them on that journey.
• 33:04
  We've got to listen.
• 33:05
  And that is literally improbable.
• 33:07
  I've said, you just said, yeah, here what you're saying and you take the story further.
• 33:13
  You take it further.
• 33:14
  Yeah.
• 33:15
  And you don't make them feel embarrassed for bringing it up.
• 33:17
  And you don't get offended because I was like, I mean, I have done that in the past.
• 33:21
  Where a client came up with his whack at the idea and I was like, that's going to be bad for this, that and the other.
• 33:27
  And their reaction was a little jarring because I could tell I had offended them when it wasn't my intent.
• 33:34
  But I was like, oh, this is definitely, there's a better way to handle this.
• 33:39
  There's a better way to do this.
• 33:40
  And I think what our friend taught us, that is it.
• 33:44
  You treat them like a friend.
• 33:45
  Yeah.
• 33:46
  And most of our clients become friends anyway.
• 33:48
  So it's not far stretch.
• 33:50
  Yeah.
• 33:51
  How do you not become a yes man, though, or yes woman?
• 33:53
  I mean, I think you still hold up.
• 33:55
  You still have your expertise that you draw from.
• 33:58
  And so there's a way to challenge those ideas in a playful or even just more collaborative way.
• 34:04
  So the client feels like they're a part of the process.
• 34:07
  But they're not being shamed and then I haven't given anything up.
• 34:11
  You're just taking what they're giving you and you're turning into something a little more evolved.
• 34:15
  And that probably makes them feel like they're contributing.
• 34:18
  And then it's a win.
• 34:20
  You know, you're not just saying, yes, I'm going to do that.
• 34:22
  You're saying, I see where you're saying, how can we approach that in this way?
• 34:28
  I will say though, improv is better when everybody knows the game.
• 34:36
  Yeah, the basics, what game are we playing, we've made the agreements.
• 34:39
  And that's not always the case, especially if you've just met someone who potentially could be a client
• 34:45
  and you're trying to establish that rapport, treat them like a friend.
• 34:49
  I think we as a group actually really struggle with this.
• 34:54
  And in particular right now, we are like adopting some new ways of working that make it easier for us to take on bigger projects.
• 35:02
  And we're really excited about it.
• 35:04
  But it means that some of the, we call them legacy clients who maybe knew me or Tim or Reggie,
• 35:09
  whoever before when we weren't together as 40 hearts, they have expectations about a way of working
• 35:16
  or like they were playing in a different frame or a different game.
• 35:19
  And I think it's hard to, I don't want to say stick to your guns because that's not at all what we're doing.
• 35:26
  Like hold space for like, well, this is the quality standard that I feel I need to me to be like fulfilled in my work.
• 35:35
  Or I need this much money in order to do that work is such a difficult thing to say.
• 35:41
  But I think it, but it's so important because we want to make sure that we are able to solve the problem.
• 35:48
  And sadly, it takes a lot, it takes a certain amount of time, which is tied to money to be able to solve those problems effectively.
• 35:55
  Yeah. And I think that there's a thing that I'm playing with right now that you know how it goes is, you know,
• 36:04
  clients bring us their feelings all the time.
• 36:06
  They might not be naming it as a feeling at all times because we get weird and we get PBGBs about having feelings at work at all.
• 36:13
  But a client will bring you a feeling masked as sometimes like a business problem or a management problem.
• 36:20
  And it's our job to like deal with those feelings like you're saying work through it and not ram up against it.
• 36:27
  But I feel like the moments where I've had success with that, if I can call it that, are there moments when I also share how I'm feeling and without like dumping it on someone.
• 36:39
  Like I feel this way, fix it, but just being able to like hold space here and be like, that's making me a little uncomfortable because I'm worried that I won't be able to fill in the blank or whatever.
• 36:50
  And it's not your job to solve it for me, but I have to acknowledge.
• 36:55
  So this is me saying, I care about you and how you feel and I'm hoping that you care about me and how I feel and I'm about to learn with your response, whatever you say to that next is going to teach me what's true and what's not.
• 37:05
  Frankly, if they can't respond to that, that teaches you something about where you stand and I feel like the limit shifts a little bit.
• 37:13
  Regardless of the dynamic, there's a lesson to be had in it and it helps dictate how you move forward.
• 37:18
  Like, oh, you want to have this kind of relationship.
• 37:21
  All right, well, at that distance, here's what I can offer you.
• 37:24
  I think I do that in friendships too because I am a pretty open guy.
• 37:28
  I'm totally, and I feel like my deepest closest friendships are people that I can say what I want or what I'm feeling and not have to mask it and not have to hide behind some veil of perfection and wellness.
• 37:45
  But when you're just getting to meet someone and you're just sort of flirting with what kind of friendship this is going to be.
• 37:53
  It does feel like dating.
• 37:54
  And they're like, ooh, that's an overshare or whatever.
• 37:58
  And you're like, okay, not there yet.
• 38:00
  I see the line.
• 38:02
  Maybe we won't be there.
• 38:04
  But yeah.
• 38:05
  It is a little bit of a dance like, okay, at what point do I start to insert more of my personality into this?
• 38:10
  And, you know, what's too much or what's just enough?
• 38:14
  So if you're feeling bodied by this, Dylan, how does it feel going through life where the line between improv and what do you call it, delusion?
• 38:23
  How do you feel like that line sets itself up with you as you go about your life day to day, embodied in it?
• 38:30
  It's my life right now.
• 38:31
  It's a fine line between the two.
• 38:33
  Between improv and delusion.
• 38:35
  We're on that tightrope, I feel.
• 38:37
  Oh man.
• 38:38
  Man, I...
• 38:40
  Oh.
• 38:41
  Got her.
• 38:44
  Is this improv?
• 38:45
  This is not improv.
• 38:47
  This is like...
• 38:48
  The improv and over.
• 38:49
  This is aimed.
• 38:50
  This is me being like, I am truly delusional.
• 38:53
  Like when I walk in these doors and when I walk out there, it's no...
• 38:56
  No, it's just like...
• 38:58
  What's the...
• 38:59
  Is this salulu?
• 39:00
  Exactly.
• 39:01
  I am delusional.
• 39:03
  I feel delusional at times too.
• 39:05
  Yeah.
• 39:06
  Oh my gosh.
• 39:07
  We, as a friend group, we were talking this weekend and I was like, dude, I walk into some situations and I'm like,
• 39:13
  I'm delusional that I'll get it done so that it won't get done.
• 39:16
  And then it'll be great.
• 39:17
  I was like, it'll be great.
• 39:19
  I feel like...
• 39:21
  When you said that, I was like, if you could imagine Miss Frizzle getting electrocuted and she's like telling the kids, no, it's fine.
• 39:29
  It was fine.
• 39:30
  It was fine.
• 39:31
  It was fine.
• 39:32
  Okay, this is totally normal.
• 39:33
  But maybe that answers your question.
• 39:35
  It's definitely good.
• 39:36
  And I love it.
• 39:37
  But in that interesting, I feel like...
• 39:41
  I'm just speaking to the person with the most improv experience, not someone with a lot of improv experience.
• 39:46
  But I feel like that's a thing that we lean away from in real life, but like the best improvisers lean into.
• 39:54
  Like, oh, I'm being electrocuted.
• 39:57
  I'm very uncomfortable.
• 39:59
  We feel the need to like, restrain that or push it away.
• 40:03
  Whereas I think in real improv, you would find a way to like, emphasize and go into it a little bit further.
• 40:09
  But it does make you seem a little crazier, unconventional.
• 40:13
  And that's a hard thing to be.
• 40:16
  Yeah.
• 40:17
  Well, in the context of like theater and improv, you have the freedom to be whoever you want to be.
• 40:24
  And I think you have that in life, but you can make up stuff.
• 40:28
  It's playing the game.
• 40:30
  In theater and live.
• 40:32
  In theater.
• 40:33
  Like, you have the freedom.
• 40:34
  You have the permission to play the game.
• 40:36
  The way it's to be played, make up thing.
• 40:38
  Yeah.
• 40:39
  Just come up with things.
• 40:40
  But also, I am in live-in by electricity.
• 40:43
  It's actually charging me and I'm a robot.
• 40:45
  There are some sentences.
• 40:46
  Yeah.
• 40:47
  But in life, you have to fall back on some realities.
• 40:50
  Like, okay, let's bring up this one for instance, because this makes me feel delusional.
• 40:53
  And I've only come to this recently.
• 40:55
  Let's do this once a week.
• 40:56
  What makes you feel delusional?
• 40:58
  What makes you?
• 41:00
  The other side of the improv penny is delusion.
• 41:03
  No, so I did this talk on My LinkedIn channel about rich, being rich.
• 41:09
  Yeah.
• 41:10
  And listen, I think I've been delusional.
• 41:13
  It's 12 plus minutes.
• 41:14
  It is.
• 41:15
  It's a lot.
• 41:16
  That's a such that hard of me.
• 41:17
  You know, I love you when I spend 12 minutes listening.
• 41:19
  Yeah.
• 41:20
  You don't have to watch it.
• 41:21
  You can just like it.
• 41:22
  That's what LinkedIn's all about.
• 41:23
  Don't watch this light.
• 41:24
  Actually.
• 41:25
  You need her long form.
• 41:26
  I was like, what do you see?
• 41:27
  My most recent one.
• 41:28
  You don't piss anybody off.
• 41:30
  That's exactly what I was open.
• 41:33
  I'm like, this is happening.
• 41:35
  No, okay.
• 41:36
  So my next one after this was a lot shorter.
• 41:39
  Yeah.
• 41:40
  I watched that one too.
• 41:41
  That's the one where you're like, I don't know.
• 41:42
  I think I was a little exposed.
• 41:43
  It's about to break.
• 41:44
  The most interesting thing is I have always thought of myself as rich.
• 41:49
  But I am nowhere near the super rich.
• 41:52
  And sometimes I think we, and I learned about this sociology class in school,
• 41:56
  where we see ourselves and we relate to something above us,
• 42:01
  and kind of marketing, and the society kind of aims us toward something
• 42:06
  what you want to be, like the American dream, the goal.
• 42:09
  Like another form of improvisation.
• 42:11
  Right.
• 42:12
  And so I had learned to improv my whole life that I am rich.
• 42:15
  And the thing about it is, and what you learn in sociology,
• 42:17
  is that you end up judging the rest of your group.
• 42:21
  Your people who make money similar to you, and have things similar to you,
• 42:25
  you make fun of them, are in debt similar to your debt,
• 42:28
  have to borrow money, and all of this, all these things.
• 42:32
  You judge them as having not made it, or not doing well in their business,
• 42:36
  or not being good with money, not thinking ahead.
• 42:39
  You can have all these judges.
• 42:40
  This is the social perception.
• 42:43
  Right.
• 42:44
  And you're not doing good.
• 42:45
  And not being rich has a lot of negative impact on your,
• 42:49
  the impression you leave with others.
• 42:51
  Yeah, the ability to have to become rich is inhibited by your feeling of abundance or whatever.
• 42:56
  And it's also preventing us from getting the class consciousness.
• 42:59
  So I think that's the worth.
• 43:00
  Is this capitalism?
• 43:01
  Oh, baby.
• 43:02
  Yes, it touches on these things.
• 43:04
  Right, because you have to be dissatisfied with where you are,
• 43:07
  to have to buy things and to take part in the economy.
• 43:12
  You have to be dissatisfied with where you are.
• 43:14
  Else, nothing would sell.
• 43:15
  You'd be like, I'm fine.
• 43:16
  Let's eat together.
• 43:17
  Let's hang out.
• 43:18
  But no, you've got to go out and buy this, and you've got to buy that.
• 43:20
  So you can look like you fit in here, and you fit in there.
• 43:22
  And so if you were to do a study on people driving nice cars,
• 43:27
  how many people are in debt and imprisoned by that payment to have the car,
• 43:31
  versus how many people are driving?
• 43:33
  I mean, like you hear stories of the ultra wealthy driving crappy cars.
• 43:37
  Like there's one.
• 43:38
  Oh, totally.
• 43:39
  And Jeff Bezos is classically known for driving a Civic when he was a billionaire.
• 43:43
  So that's just one, one thing that you can touch on.
• 43:48
  But so my improv has been, and this is what I came to yesterday,
• 43:53
  is that my improv has been acting like I'm that,
• 43:56
  so that I get the job.
• 43:57
  You know, they think they're, they're peers with, he's a peer with me.
• 44:00
  Yeah.
• 44:01
  And he understands me.
• 44:02
  And you don't feel needy.
• 44:03
  Right.
• 44:04
  Is the other thing.
• 44:05
  Right.
• 44:06
  They don't.
• 44:07
  You roll up in this car.
• 44:08
  Oh man, he's going to try.
• 44:09
  And you know my car like right now is that car.
• 44:11
  And so I'm struggling with it every day.
• 44:13
  I'm thinking about it.
• 44:14
  Why am I so?
• 44:15
  You're Jeff Bezos.
• 44:16
  You're just pulling.
• 44:17
  You're pulling.
• 44:18
  It is a Honda.
• 44:19
  It's a year Honda.
• 44:20
  I think you're doing it.
• 44:21
  But there's something about him acting.
• 44:22
  It's better than a Civic.
• 44:23
  It's in the court.
• 44:24
  It's true.
• 44:25
  Yeah, you're won up.
• 44:26
  But you're won up.
• 44:27
  But you're cool.
• 44:28
  If you're a billionaire and you're driving a crappy car.
• 44:29
  Yeah.
• 44:30
  But if you don't have any money to bank your driving a crappy car,
• 44:32
  that's not so cool.
• 44:33
  Yeah.
• 44:34
  That means you're terrible with money, you're terrible with business.
• 44:35
  You don't know what you're doing.
• 44:36
  Those are the perceptions.
• 44:37
  That's just all perception though.
• 44:38
  So I have improbbed around that my whole life.
• 44:42
  And I've been good at it.
• 44:43
  If I can avoid being seen in certain lights.
• 44:47
  Like, if you don't ever see my house.
• 44:49
  I mean, I don't have a small house.
• 44:50
  But.
• 44:51
  If you don't actually make me pay for dinner.
• 44:52
  But there are things that you can.
• 44:53
  And you could pay for dinner.
• 44:54
  You could put on a credit card.
• 44:55
  And that's like, you're rich.
• 44:56
  Oh, yeah.
• 44:57
  I'm just saying that it pushes you to do things
• 44:58
  that you shouldn't have to be doing.
• 44:59
  Okay.
• 45:00
  And so when I said this online,
• 45:03
  then I started to be like, oh no.
• 45:05
  I can't improv that anymore.
• 45:07
  Right.
• 45:08
  No idea.
• 45:09
  I just never wanted to do it.
• 45:10
  Right.
• 45:11
  So now I can say that I can't act that part.
• 45:14
  And I love that.
• 45:15
  I think that was a really nice way of just like cracking open
• 45:18
  that show.
• 45:19
  And I'm like, this is who I am.
• 45:20
  So that was my line.
• 45:21
  The whole thing is about authenticity.
• 45:23
  And I think you leaned into it in the best way in that.
• 45:26
  That's what I felt.
• 45:27
  And so my delusion is gone.
• 45:28
  But now I don't have any of the illusion.
• 45:30
  Which is sometimes an enjoyable thing to have in creativity
• 45:33
  and in story.
• 45:34
  But look at you though.
• 45:36
  Like you carry an essence about you.
• 45:38
  That you could walk out of the shittiest car.
• 45:41
  And nobody's going to be like, oh, and this guy, you know.
• 45:44
  I'm probably the one doing that most.
• 45:46
  Yeah.
• 45:47
  You are the one doing that most.
• 45:49
  Absolutely.
• 45:50
  People see your glow.
• 45:51
  They hear you talk.
• 45:52
  They hear your convictions.
• 45:53
  They hear your intellect.
• 45:56
  And that's what comes off.
• 45:59
  It's not like, oh, I watched him get out of that.
• 46:01
  Whatever.
• 46:02
  He's a loser.
• 46:03
  Yeah.
• 46:05
  I think at the end of the day, I see a lot of people do that
• 46:11
  where they overspend on things they can't really afford.
• 46:15
  Like they'll have a $700 a month car payment
• 46:19
  and go pull up in front of a double wide.
• 46:21
  No offense to people with double wide.
• 46:22
  Yeah.
• 46:23
  That's all for show.
• 46:25
  Like you're living in a place that maybe could be more comfortable.
• 46:28
  And if you read, if you adjusted those resources.
• 46:32
  It shows you, like, priorities.
• 46:35
  It's really important to them to have a huge TV
• 46:38
  or to drive a nice car or whatever that thing is.
• 46:41
  But here's where it really came down to me.
• 46:43
  The car became such a hot point because I drove it all the way through college.
• 46:46
  And then one of my best friends is also his friend with my brother.
• 46:51
  My brother is a builder.
• 46:53
  He has a building company, a general contractor.
• 46:55
  And he was working for this friend of ours.
• 46:59
  And my brother sees this other guy from a competing builder company
• 47:02
  pull up to the house next to them.
• 47:04
  And he says, well, look at that truck.
• 47:06
  Look how much money that guy spent on that truck.
• 47:08
  And he's not spending it on da da da.
• 47:10
  And my friend said, I actually think that guy's more successful in his business
• 47:15
  than you are with your van.
• 47:17
  And when I heard that, I was like, that is nuts.
• 47:21
  So my brother had this sense that he's wasting all this money
• 47:24
  and going into debt for this truck.
• 47:26
  That perception from other guys was that he looked at that job
• 47:30
  or that guy's work as higher end because the guy has a nicer vehicle.
• 47:34
  So that's where it hit me that someone will look at your...
• 47:39
  What is it?
• 47:42
  Like your taste.
• 47:43
  Yeah.
• 47:44
  They're looking at your taste level.
• 47:45
  Yeah.
• 47:46
  And they're like, you're driving that.
• 47:47
  Your taste level must not be up to snuff.
• 47:51
  My cool is friends.
• 47:53
  Right now, they're wearing two dollar flip flops
• 47:55
  and like jeans that have been worn for the past 20 years.
• 47:59
  See I love that.
• 48:00
  And that's like leaning into it.
• 48:02
  Like I'm not trying to impress people.
• 48:04
  I don't know.
• 48:05
  I think perception is a really hard thing.
• 48:07
  And of course, I can sit here and be like, don't listen to perception.
• 48:10
  Like, you know, like that could be like a really light out.
• 48:13
  What a great takeaway from this episode.
• 48:14
  Yeah, what a great...
• 48:15
  About the haters.
• 48:16
  Yeah.
• 48:17
  Like what a cliche answer.
• 48:18
  What if we did just completely ignore perception and go our own way?
• 48:23
  To me, internally, it's like my perception.
• 48:26
  I've got it like five people on my hand.
• 48:29
  Like, and they're like their opinions matter.
• 48:31
  And I think when we get too much on them,
• 48:33
  let's go.
• 48:34
  Yeah, you're on them.
• 48:35
  We have three of them are here.
• 48:37
  Yeah, I think three of them are here counting well.
• 48:39
  Yeah.
• 48:40
  I don't know.
• 48:41
  I think that's like the hard part of like being human right now
• 48:44
  is like everybody is giving their perception and their idea.
• 48:47
  And it's like who, like that's...
• 48:50
  I mean, that perception is really hard for me to value.
• 48:53
  Because they're not in my inner circle.
• 48:55
  Like if what matters more, the car that I drive,
• 48:58
  or would I put my life on the line for you to like go and do something
• 49:02
  and like follow your dreams and give you support.
• 49:04
  Yeah.
• 49:05
  So I don't know.
• 49:07
  I hate perception because she's kind of a bitch,
• 49:10
  but she does run us sometimes.
• 49:13
  I don't do you one better.
• 49:15
  Half the time, talk about cars.
• 49:17
  Half the time, I can't tell if it's because I don't want someone
• 49:23
  to think the wrong thing about me that comes up all the time.
• 49:26
  Or is it my own sense of self that it's like,
• 49:30
  I am in the middle of a fashion crisis.
• 49:33
  I complain about it to Dylan three times a week.
• 49:36
  We're working on it.
• 49:37
  Yeah.
• 49:38
  Because Dylan has never been in a fashion crisis.
• 49:40
  She's got her shit worked out.
• 49:42
  You're so sexy.
• 49:43
  I mean...
• 49:44
  I think we're about to say she's so sexy.
• 49:46
  I'm like...
• 49:47
  She's really going to promote her dress.
• 49:49
  I love a word to you.
• 49:50
  So sexy.
• 49:51
  People don't argue.
• 49:53
  But for minutes, a different standard.
• 49:55
  It's like there's a pre-scribed,
• 49:57
  and by the way, you should challenge that.
• 49:59
  I want to see kilt.
• 50:00
  I want to see skirts.
• 50:01
  I want to see high heels.
• 50:02
  But I...
• 50:03
  I'm scared.
• 50:04
  You're scared.
• 50:06
  Dude, you're just not wearing a kilt.
• 50:08
  I'm a co-punch.
• 50:09
  I'm going to get out of my Honda.
• 50:11
  You've got to watch...
• 50:12
  For co-punch, you just take it off again.
• 50:14
  We're going to watch traitors,
• 50:16
  and just sort of embody Ellen coming into your heritage.
• 50:19
  I love it.
• 50:20
  Kilt it.
• 50:21
  I don't know.
• 50:22
  I don't know.
• 50:24
  I don't know.
• 50:26
  It was one thing for Tim to take all this clothes off.
• 50:28
  It's gonna be another thing for him to put a kilt back on.
• 50:31
  Put a kilt back on, dude.
• 50:33
  I'm not like real Honda kilt,
• 50:35
  but I'm just saying, like,
• 50:36
  men's expression in their fashion
• 50:38
  is so one-no right now,
• 50:40
  and frankly, it's a little boring,
• 50:42
  but we expect it...
• 50:43
  Not you two in particular.
• 50:44
  I told her to wear a crop shirt,
• 50:46
  but he would not do it.
• 50:47
  And, y'all, I'm just going to say it.
• 50:49
  I'm just going to say,
• 50:50
  and I'm going to try to never say it again.
• 50:52
  What are you working out for?
• 50:53
  If you don't...
• 50:54
  It's true.
• 50:55
  Okay, let's just get now.
• 50:56
  I'm not sure.
• 50:59
  I'm working out so I can move,
• 51:00
  and then some straw.
• 51:01
  Oh, yeah.
• 51:02
  I don't think it's a body image at all.
• 51:04
  I'm just saying, like, I'm in a store...
• 51:12
  Rarely in my eyes.
• 51:13
  I'm usually shopping online
• 51:14
  because I can't find anything that I like.
• 51:16
  And I'm thinking to myself,
• 51:18
  oh, well, I like that.
• 51:19
  And then there's, like, the abstraction of,
• 51:21
  do I like it to look at on somebody else?
• 51:24
  Or do I...
• 51:25
  would I feel like me when I was wearing it?
• 51:27
  And then you have to get into, like,
• 51:28
  where would I wear this?
• 51:30
  Where women is a much more complicated thing
• 51:32
  than it's been.
• 51:33
  And then you're, like, in this weird zone,
• 51:35
  and I'm so rarely thinking,
• 51:37
  oh, what will other people think of me?
• 51:39
  I'm thinking, like, do I like the way this looks?
• 51:41
  Is this a color that I like?
• 51:43
  Does this embody or express something about who I am?
• 51:45
  And half the time, I can't figure that part out.
• 51:47
  So when we talk about expression,
• 51:49
  it's, like, or, yeah, or perception.
• 51:52
  I'm like, who are these voices in my head?
• 51:55
  And is that truly me?
• 51:57
  Or am I hearing a critic that I've picked up somewhere?
• 52:01
  Oh, really?
• 52:02
  Do you want to hear my fan?
• 52:03
  It's your inner monologue.
• 52:04
  My?
• 52:05
  Yeah, Tim.
• 52:06
  Tell me, fashion advice.
• 52:07
  I also had a fashion crisis, but I have a Megan.
• 52:09
  So that was a big help.
• 52:11
  Which, I'm trying to get a Megan.
• 52:12
  It's not working out for me.
• 52:13
  We all are.
• 52:14
  No.
• 52:15
  Coffee with your wife yesterday.
• 52:16
  What?
• 52:17
  Yeah.
• 52:18
  She looked great.
• 52:19
  She looked very flexible.
• 52:20
  She looked great.
• 52:21
  And she was trying to help me,
• 52:22
  because she's really good with this stuff.
• 52:23
  And she's like, who do you want to look like?
• 52:25
  And I was like,
• 52:26
  me?
• 52:27
  No, I didn't say that.
• 52:28
  That would have been better.
• 52:29
  But that's a dead end.
• 52:30
  That's a dead end road.
• 52:31
  I don't know what me look like.
• 52:33
  I said Indiana Jones.
• 52:35
  Oh.
• 52:36
  And James Bond.
• 52:37
  She's like, so you want like a tux with like a satchel?
• 52:41
  Wow.
• 52:42
  And a gun?
• 52:44
  This is where, no.
• 52:45
  So what I felt in this one, I want to see if you feel,
• 52:48
  is I want to feel like they feel,
• 52:50
  because they feel like they are what they are.
• 52:53
  You know?
• 52:54
  Yeah.
• 52:55
  Their outfit fits their life,
• 52:56
  and their work, and their thing.
• 52:58
  Okay.
• 52:59
  I'm tracking.
• 53:00
  We're singing it now.
• 53:01
  Okay.
• 53:02
  You know, but this could be pants that Indiana Jones wore.
• 53:05
  You're right.
• 53:06
  You're right.
• 53:07
  This could be like what James Bond wore when he's like it is.
• 53:09
  Yeah.
• 53:10
  I know so that.
• 53:11
  Daniel Craig.
• 53:12
  Daniel Craig.
• 53:13
  Yeah.
• 53:14
  Okay.
• 53:15
  So if you take something that you're like,
• 53:16
  child, childlessly, childlessly.
• 53:18
  Yeah.
• 53:19
  Into.
• 53:20
  That's a good idea.
• 53:21
  And then you can type first.
• 53:22
  Or you can then back into it.
• 53:23
  And then you can feel your weight into it.
• 53:25
  Versus like this flattened this top,
• 53:28
  this is what all the subscriptions do.
• 53:30
  You know, you want this top of these bottoms.
• 53:32
  And to me, it always felt so forced.
• 53:35
  Yeah.
• 53:36
  And contrived.
• 53:37
  I wanted to feel something that is natural.
• 53:38
  And I think Indiana Jones and James Bond
• 53:39
  would feel very natural to me.
• 53:41
  Like he fights in a tuxedo.
• 53:43
  And Indiana Jones uses his whip to go over.
• 53:46
  You know what I think?
• 53:48
  I think.
• 53:49
  It's Tim with a pencil.
• 53:50
  It's a very sharp pencil.
• 53:52
  Yeah.
• 53:53
  I think the thing that you're that you're identifying in there,
• 53:56
  it's not natural as much of this confidence.
• 53:59
  Like what they're wearing allows them to be comfortable
• 54:01
  with what they're doing.
• 54:02
  That is how I dress.
• 54:03
  It's like you're flexible.
• 54:04
  Yeah.
• 54:05
  I dress so like I think to myself when I put something on,
• 54:08
  how do I feel?
• 54:10
  Do I feel confident?
• 54:11
  Do I feel like I am me?
• 54:13
  I can be myself.
• 54:15
  I can be my best self.
• 54:16
  Is my outfit going to hold back my personality or my character?
• 54:21
  Sometimes I've said can I climb a tree in that?
• 54:24
  And that's like I would just call.
• 54:27
  I would just call.
• 54:28
  I would just call.
• 54:29
  Tree in that tree.
• 54:30
  He's got the level of real.
• 54:31
  It's like the real top.
• 54:32
  I need to be.
• 54:33
  Ever like got to live into that fully.
• 54:35
  And we can talk about the wise.
• 54:37
  And adventurous.
• 54:38
  Yeah, it's just like the doing of it all.
• 54:40
  Like I don't like to feel restricted and confined.
• 54:42
  And I think a lot of women's clothes do that.
• 54:45
  But then I wear shit like this,
• 54:47
  which I feel like I could physically I could climb a tree,
• 54:50
  but isn't appropriate.
• 54:52
  In our clothes you've had every day.
• 54:54
  Yeah, thank you.
• 54:55
  You all get in the river and I'll go.
• 54:57
  You're right.
• 54:58
  You can go climb a tree.
• 54:59
  You're like a clean.
• 55:00
  A clean.
• 55:01
  A clean climbing cloud.
• 55:03
  You're still going to drink it.
• 55:05
  Women.
• 55:06
  Oh, man.
• 55:08
  I did not have that idea.
• 55:10
  I don't know.
• 55:11
  Go viral.
• 55:12
  I don't follow you.
• 55:14
  I would.
• 55:15
  I would.
• 55:16
  I would follow you.
• 55:17
  You have only fans, which is.
• 55:19
  Maybe women climbing trees.
• 55:21
  That's basically draped over a leash.
• 55:24
  And the camera would have to be perspective at the top.
• 55:28
  You see the pictures, the goats who climb.
• 55:31
  There's like goats who climb into trees,
• 55:33
  but it's women.
• 55:35
  Goats.
• 55:36
  They're a capricorn of me.
• 55:38
  There's a woman that does that does this.
• 55:40
  I'd stumble.
• 55:41
  I don't know.
• 55:42
  She'll climb up the tree.
• 55:44
  She'll climb up the tree.
• 55:45
  You don't know.
• 55:46
  She'll climb up the tree.
• 55:47
  No, not native.
• 55:48
  Not native.
• 55:49
  She climbed trees.
• 55:50
  But there is something.
• 55:51
  I don't know why my algorithm fed me this.
• 55:54
  But this was on Instagram.
• 55:55
  And there is this woman who climbs trees.
• 55:56
  That's her thing.
• 55:57
  And so she will go out with her family for a hike and I'll
• 56:01
  like, on it.
• 56:02
  This is a good one.
• 56:03
  Is your time.
• 56:04
  And she'll climb up the tree.
• 56:05
  I love that.
• 56:06
  That's her.
• 56:07
  And you're like, that's a climbable tree.
• 56:08
  I never admit that, because it seems so childish.
• 56:11
  It's like a ladder.
• 56:12
  It's better than me to get up there.
• 56:14
  She won't climb any trees.
• 56:15
  And what about...
• 56:16
  It's climbing.
• 56:17
  It's climbing the tree and was like barking at dogs.
• 56:21
  Is it a walk by?
• 56:22
  That's where we cut it.
• 56:23
  Improv, delusion.
• 56:25
  She was totally barking at the dog.
• 56:27
  People were like, okay lady, crazy tree lady.
• 56:30
  Well, we were at my son's preschool egg hunt for Easter.
• 56:36
  Easter egg.
• 56:37
  And this girl just starts cute little girl with red curly hair
• 56:39
  and she just starts climbing the little dogwood.
• 56:42
  And the dogwood is like this tall.
• 56:43
  Dogwood.
• 56:44
  It's the tiniest dogwood and I'm like worried about the blim,
• 56:47
  but...
• 56:48
  Yeah, that's...
• 56:49
  But I'm like, I got to tell a kid not to climb a tree.
• 56:50
  That is like...
• 56:51
  That is the line.
• 56:52
  Who the tree is?
• 56:53
  No.
• 56:54
  I'm like, hey, here's a better tree.
• 56:55
  So the pastor of this...
• 56:57
  It's like, you know, preschool in the church.
• 56:59
  The pastor asked us to come over and tell her
• 57:00
  that we're not climbing the tree and I was like,
• 57:02
  oh, I was not the adult here.
• 57:05
  We're not climbing that tree.
• 57:07
  Yeah, tree climbing.
• 57:08
  That's a very freeing adventure.
• 57:10
  That's what I think that's what fashion's about to me
• 57:12
  is what gives you the sense of adventure.
• 57:15
  Yeah.
• 57:16
  What can I do in this outfit?
• 57:17
  Who could I be in this outfit?
• 57:18
  And it would make...
• 57:19
  I think it makes you more...
• 57:20
  As you were saying, Reggie,
• 57:21
  it makes you more improv-ready.
• 57:23
  Because you're like at the...
• 57:24
  You're like on it.
• 57:25
  Yeah, yeah.
• 57:26
  You can't do anything.
• 57:27
  Right.
• 57:28
  You're not like feeling...
• 57:29
  Whatever you're going to throw at me is restricted.
• 57:30
  This outfit is ready for whatever you're going to throw at me.
• 57:32
  Yes.
• 57:33
  I'm ready.
• 57:34
  Let's do it.
• 57:35
  Yeah.
• 57:36
  And I get that.
• 57:37
  It's incredible.
• 57:38
  Like no matter where we put you,
• 57:39
  you like are always at ease.
• 57:41
  It's something that...
• 57:42
  Well, let me explain to you.
• 57:43
  It's because of what I'm wearing.
• 57:44
  Let me explain to you in how Reggie shops.
• 57:45
  It's because Reggie's like grounded in his style.
• 57:48
  Oh, he is.
• 57:49
  When we went shopping, I brought my Megan,
• 57:52
  and she did my shopping,
• 57:53
  and I tried on things.
• 57:54
  Reggie's not the shop in himself.
• 57:56
  He's got like 45 hangers over his arm.
• 57:58
  He's like...
• 57:59
  Reggie, Reggie, you ain't fall at me.
• 58:01
  He was set in like a tenth of the time in Iowa.
• 58:04
  Yeah.
• 58:05
  He's got a formula.
• 58:06
  He's figured it out,
• 58:07
  and you're like looking at it,
• 58:09
  like it's a quantum mechanic.
• 58:11
  Which I relate to.
• 58:13
  I just like my liking.
• 58:15
  What is the meaning of this khaki pants?
• 58:18
  And then you're having a decide
• 58:19
  where they're going to spend the $200
• 58:21
  on like the plain khaki pants.
• 58:23
  Dude, that's totally you.
• 58:24
  I mean, it's like, wait.
• 58:25
  What's...
• 58:26
  What kind of vibe to khaki pants at all?
• 58:28
  And what do you...
• 58:29
  What's Jim Z?
• 58:30
  Things about khaki pants.
• 58:31
  Yeah.
• 58:32
  How do you shop?
• 58:33
  Because you always look good.
• 58:35
  There's this line from the blind side,
• 58:38
  and it's Sandra Bullock,
• 58:40
  and she's like, well, thank you.
• 58:42
  She's like walking big mic into the store,
• 58:44
  and she's like, well, if you don't love it on the hanger,
• 58:46
  you're not going to love it when you're at home.
• 58:48
  And that's kind of...
• 58:49
  So just fine with your love.
• 58:51
  Yeah, I also like...
• 58:54
  I see it if I was like,
• 58:56
  there's different ways.
• 58:58
  There's like clothes you can wear,
• 59:00
  and you're like, okay, this is safe.
• 59:02
  There's clothes I could wear when, like, I'm playing a bit.
• 59:05
  Or we're like going out, like, can they mention earlier?
• 59:07
  Like when you're putting your colored wig.
• 59:09
  Yeah, when I wear my colored wig out to the ballers.
• 59:11
  That's not a joke, that really happened.
• 59:13
  That did happen.
• 59:14
  So, yeah, I just...
• 59:15
  See, you're like...
• 59:16
  I think y'all go similar.
• 59:18
  You find drawn to it.
• 59:19
  Yeah.
• 59:20
  You love it.
• 59:21
  And that's what I do.
• 59:22
  I look at it on the hanger, and I'm like,
• 59:23
  ooh, and I usually can tell when I first see something.
• 59:26
  I'm sure you're the same way.
• 59:27
  Yeah.
• 59:28
  If that's gonna look good on you.
• 59:29
  I also...
• 59:30
  It's all about the fit after that.
• 59:31
  Like clothes, body shapes.
• 59:32
  Yeah, that all plays a picture.
• 59:34
  But like, you're wearing the clothes.
• 59:35
  Like, the clothes aren't wearing you.
• 59:37
  That's true.
• 59:38
  So, like, if...
• 59:39
  Or are they...
• 59:40
  Or are they?
• 59:41
  Or are they...
• 59:42
  I don't know.
• 59:43
  No, I think clothes feel like they wear me.
• 59:45
  Yeah.
• 59:46
  You know, like, I feel like I'm just, like, behind it.
• 59:47
  Yeah.
• 59:48
  Instead of in it.
• 59:49
  You know, like, I'm just, like, in front of me somehow.
• 59:51
  I understand.
• 59:52
  This is how I think.
• 59:53
  This is what's messed up.
• 59:54
  This is what my brain...
• 59:55
  This is what my mom thinks.
• 59:56
  My mom has such, like, an existential crisis right now.
• 59:58
  We love her mom.
• 59:59
  Like, shopping.
• 1:00:00
  And so, I'm just like, mom, like, wherever you want.
• 1:00:02
  And now, she's wearing, like, the hair scarves down over there.
• 1:00:05
  Yeah.
• 1:00:06
  She looks like a Billy badass, like, in there right now.
• 1:00:08
  Yeah, she's five.
• 1:00:09
  She's got to get her back in here for a long time.
• 1:00:11
  We do.
• 1:00:12
  Star's great.
• 1:00:13
  But yeah, I think, like...
• 1:00:14
  I don't know.
• 1:00:15
  I don't think too deep.
• 1:00:16
  Oh, man.
• 1:00:17
  Just try something already, advice.
• 1:00:18
  Is that it?
• 1:00:19
  No, that is great advice.
• 1:00:20
  Yeah.
• 1:00:21
  But I don't know if it's possible.
• 1:00:22
  It's very cliché that she's already...
• 1:00:23
  Yeah.
• 1:00:24
  It's very cliché that she's already...
• 1:00:25
  It's very cliché that she's already...
• 1:00:27
  And thinking, I think, therefore, I am.
• 1:00:29
  Yeah.
• 1:00:30
  Yeah.
• 1:00:31
  Beautiful.
• 1:00:32
  Oh, shit, man.
• 1:00:33
  I need to do some more thinking about the thinking.
• 1:00:34
  Let's do that.
• 1:00:35
  Have I thought about this thinking hard enough?
• 1:00:37
  Do you think?
• 1:00:38
  Maybe you should improv next time you wear clothes.
• 1:00:40
  No, actually.
• 1:00:41
  What?
• 1:00:42
  What a great...
• 1:00:43
  That's a great, what a statement.
• 1:00:45
  What if you improv when you go to try on clothes?
• 1:00:49
  I like this, actually.
• 1:00:50
  Just totally...
• 1:00:51
  But I'll get stitched right.
• 1:00:52
  Throw away everything you want.
• 1:00:54
  No, you won't.
• 1:00:55
  No.
• 1:00:56
  I'll go the other way.
• 1:00:57
  And my mom and I have always...
• 1:00:58
  I grew up in the theater.
• 1:00:59
  So we...
• 1:01:00
  It's like...
• 1:01:01
  Have a bunch of things that were like...
• 1:01:03
  Yeah, I could totally wear that.
• 1:01:04
  But it's like...
• 1:01:05
  It is a different character.
• 1:01:06
  It's like a flavor of me...
• 1:01:07
  And if you wake up, you're not going with that character.
• 1:01:09
  Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  But the problem is I'm so really wake up with the character.
• 1:01:12
  Right.
• 1:01:13
  I'm like...
• 1:01:14
  I built a closet for a bunch of me's that...
• 1:01:15
  Oh my god, that's not me today.
• 1:01:17
  Is anyone with improv?
• 1:01:18
  You don't neglect?
• 1:01:19
  You just go.
• 1:01:20
  No negate.
• 1:01:21
  No negate.
• 1:01:22
  You don't neglect.
• 1:01:23
  You don't neglect.
• 1:01:24
  You don't neglect.
• 1:01:25
  You don't neglect.
• 1:01:26
  Maybe you just go.
• 1:01:27
  Maybe you just go.
• 1:01:28
  Maybe you just go.
• 1:01:29
  Maybe you just go.
• 1:01:30
  Maybe you just go.
• 1:01:31
  Maybe you just go.
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  We say this thing in our house.
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  It's from the Disney Channel original movie,
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  Brink.
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  I think you're familiar.
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  And there's a scene.
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  He's like a X-games.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm giving too many details.
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  Happen these are going to be wrong.
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  But he's like a skater dude from the 90s.
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  And there's a villain skater dude.
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  And they've got weird sexual tension
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  that nobody talks about because it's Disney Channel,
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  whatever.
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  But he's like in the middle of a competitive event.
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  Because it's Disney Channel.
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  And he's not doing well.
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  And his little like brat kid sister comes up to him
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  and he's she's like,
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  skate better.
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  And then he's like,
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  skate better.
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  And then he's like,
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  skate better.
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  And if it weren't that easy.
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  And if it weren't that easy.
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  Oh, that's awesome.
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  Great idea.
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  But no, it's really good advice.
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  I'm bad at advice.
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  I'm bad at taking it.
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  I'm bad at advice too.
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  No, I'm just like I can't.
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  But I'm struggling as all I'm trying to do.
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  So is it important to know the line
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  between improv and delusion?
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  Because wouldn't an inventor
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  inventing something seem delusional?
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  Yes.
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  Absolutely.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  So I'm like,
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  if you walk into a client meeting
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  and you have an idea that is huge
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  and someone could say,
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  that's delusional.
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  Let's get real.
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  What can we really expect to see?
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  And that's fine.
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  Like I think that we've been in a data driven
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  economy and market.
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  It's just been everyone's just feeding off the data.
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  But what is that level of like delusion
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  that takes us to the next level?
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  You know, like,
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  is there a better way to
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  have an economy versus capitalism?
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  That is true.
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  Is there a better way to
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  have a company maybe owned by the employees?
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  So it's like that improv.
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  The play can be used in business, I think.
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  What if play is a part of business
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  to push us to the next level?
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  The imaginative sci-fi level
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  where, you know, they say,
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  when she sees something in sci-fi,
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  it's only a matter of time before it.
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  Yeah.
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  It becomes a reality
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  because someone is improving and delusional
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  that someone would have a phone
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  that they can connect with the internet
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  and do all this power.
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  I would say, what if delusion really is just
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  the precursor to improv
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  and then ultimately success?
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  Yeah.
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  Because most things that we
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  become a commonplace, like cell phones,
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  like cars,
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  and like the first person to see a car,
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  like, what?
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  Totally. Like, yeah,
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  like all of these things
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  started off as someone's delusional idea
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  that they didn't give up on.
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  Exactly.
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  So I'm like,
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  I like delusions.
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  I like delusions.
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  I embody the improv.
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  I think delusion and improv can help change the world.
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  You just can't give up on it.
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  What if we start with delusion
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  and we back into reality instead of like
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  starting with reality
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  and hopefully we get to something great?
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  Yeah.
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  You want to hit positive.
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  Yeah.
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  The reality is like a brick.
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  Yeah, a brick.
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  They say it fell faster.
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  Like, get the big delusional idea out there
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  and see how it floats.
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  Yeah.
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  You know?
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  See?
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  Someone had this idea.
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  They say the big hairy idea, right?
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  Yeah.
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  I like delusion better.
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  Yeah.
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  Be crazy.
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  Be constantly insane about this.
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  Wow.
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  We should change our little subliner
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  byline to 40-hards,
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  the delusional creative company.
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  I love it.
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  I think too.
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  Where's the line?
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  Delusion's a grandeur.
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  Done.
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  Delusion's a grandeur.
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  Done.
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  Done.
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  I love that.
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  So true.
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  It's a little scary.
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  On that note,
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  I'm going to wrap us up.
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  But we're actually like,
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  Actually, can you please like and
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  We're here.
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  Like,
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  we're delusional.
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  We're delusional.
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  We're delusional.
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  In our office,
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  you know.
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  But definitely check in to our next episode
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  I don't know exactly how we're going to roll them out.
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  But I can't tell you that we will be doing episodes
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