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Friday October 2 2026 | A Matter of Honor: Restoring A Pearl Harbor Legacy · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Hot topics in the news and wisdom from life. It's
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  Speaker 1: Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is M & M Extra.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is for this Friday, the second day of October.
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  Speaker 2: I've looked forward to this ever since Mike put a
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  Speaker 2: book in the mail to me called A Matter of Honor,
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  Speaker 2: Pearl Harbor, Betrayal, Blame, and a Family's Quest for Justice
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  Speaker 2: by Anthony Summers and Robin Swan. The authors, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 2: are lovely people, but Mike gets to introduce me and
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  Speaker 2: thus you and everybody right into the family of a
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  Speaker 2: quest for justice for someone who has done reputationally such
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  Speaker 2: a deep, deep wrong, essentially blamed for Pearl Harbor. Mike,
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  Speaker 2: let me just hand you the baton. I cannot wait
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  Speaker 2: to proceed. And to meet this gentleman and to do
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  Speaker 2: a deep dive into an ongoing.
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  Speaker 3: This is actually M and M and M extra because
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  Speaker 3: M stands for Manning, Manning Kimmel. Now, let me tell
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  Speaker 3: you a little bit about Mr. Kimmel. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: historians recognize the name Kimmel. Admiral Kimmel involved in, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the Japanese onslaught at Pearl Harbor. He was the
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  Speaker 3: commander-in-chief of the Pacific Fleet. His grandson... is our special
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  Speaker 3: guest today. Manning Kimmel runs WRHI in Rock Hill, South Carolina. Now,
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  Speaker 3: let me tell you a little bit about WRHI. This,
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  Speaker 3: you and I, Mark, are a couple of old-time, we're
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  Speaker 3: a couple of old radio guys. This is how radio
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  Speaker 3: used to be. It's the coolest thing to walk into
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  Speaker 3: that station. And the building is chock full of all
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  Speaker 3: the awards they have won over the years. This is
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  Speaker 3: truly the voice of a community. I'm talking high school
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  Speaker 3: football on Friday night, and they don't just stick one
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  Speaker 3: guy out there on a lonely football field.
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  Speaker 2: Team coverage.
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  Speaker 3: Team coverage like you can't believe. Awards for their news.
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  Speaker 3: Awards for their local community programming. Manning Kimmel, the owner
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  Speaker 3: of the station, is right involved in the lineup and has,
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  Speaker 3: in fact, a legendary long-running show called on WRHI as well. Now,
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  Speaker 3: we've been blessed to be on their lineup for years,
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  Speaker 3: so I know this station well. But I also know
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  Speaker 3: Manning Kimmel's quest. For 50 years, he has attempted to
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  Speaker 3: clear the good name of his grandfather, Admiral Kimmel. So
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  Speaker 3: we are just overjoyed to welcome Manning Kimmel to M &
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  Speaker 3: M Extra. I'm also, incidentally, going to play some excerpts
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  Speaker 3: of our conversation on the Mike Gallagher show, Coast to
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  Speaker 3: Coast tomorrow as well, including WRHI. Manning, what an honor
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  Speaker 3: it is to see you, to have you visit with us,
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  Speaker 3: because I know you've been fighting for 50 years. And look,
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  Speaker 3: there still could be light at the end of the
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  Speaker 3: tunnel to clear your grandfather's good name. Welcome to M &
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  Speaker 3: M Extra, M. Welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Another part of the M & M package, right? So
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  Speaker 4: it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you both for
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  Speaker 4: your interest in this topic. And just to correct one thing,
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  Speaker 4: you know, this is the 85th anniversary of Pearl Harbor.
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  Speaker 5: 85 years. My father and his brother fought this thing.
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  Speaker 4: Until the day they died, and myself and my cousin
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  Speaker 4: picked it up, and we ran with it for the last, whatever,
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  Speaker 4: 20 years, and my cousin has passed away, so I'm
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  Speaker 4: the last one continuing to move this baton forward.
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  Speaker 5: And it's just a political issue. That's all it is,
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  Speaker 5: is politics.
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  Speaker 4: We are the modern-day David versus Goliath, Goliath being the
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  Speaker 4: Defense Department. They don't want to have anything to do
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  Speaker 4: with this. And it's just crazy. It's only a matter
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  Speaker 4: of honor. We're not asking for any money. We're not
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  Speaker 4: asking for a parade down Pennsylvania Avenue. We're not asking
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  Speaker 4: for a battleship to be named after us, although I
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  Speaker 4: would like that. But that's not going to happen. So
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  Speaker 4: what is the issue here? The issue is that Kimmel
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  Speaker 4: and Short, General Short was the Army Pearl Harbor commander.
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  Speaker 4: They were both tagged with being, quote, derelict in their duty.
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  Speaker 4: And as my father said to me many, many years ago,
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  Speaker 4: to a military man, honor is above life itself. And
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  Speaker 4: when they stuck that dereliction of duty on them, it
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  Speaker 4: just ruined them, absolutely ruined them. Well, all of that
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  Speaker 4: was later discredited by the Pearl Harbor Board, the Army
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  Speaker 4: Pearl Harbor Board, and the Naval Board of Inquirers.
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  Speaker 5: Back in 1944.
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  Speaker 4: There were 10 investigations prior to that, including that. And
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  Speaker 4: most of those were modern-day Star Chamber proceedings. They weren't
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  Speaker 4: allowed to cross-examine witnesses. Some hearings they weren't even allowed
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  Speaker 4: to attend to hear what everybody was saying about them. Finally,
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  Speaker 4: the Naval Board of Inquiry was held in 1944.
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  Speaker 5: And guess what? That was the best of the best
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  Speaker 5: in the military.
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  Speaker 4: And they found that there was no basis for the
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  Speaker 4: allegation of derelict, for them being derelict in their duty.
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  Speaker 4: So the report was issued, and keep in mind, we're
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  Speaker 4: fighting a war. And what happened to that report? It
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  Speaker 4: was very conveniently slid underneath somebody's blotter on their desk,
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  Speaker 4: and it never saw the light of day. And so
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  Speaker 4: the scapegoating continued, and it continued, and it continued. Part
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  Speaker 4: of this I understand, because we had a war that
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  Speaker 4: we were fighting against the Japanese and the Germans, and
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  Speaker 4: we needed to win that war.
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  Speaker 5: What I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Understand is after the war was over, why didn't they
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  Speaker 4: treat my grandfather and General Short the exact same way
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  Speaker 4: they did for every other flag and general officer? In 1947,
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  Speaker 4: a long time ago before I was even born, they
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  Speaker 4: passed a piece of legislation called the Officer Personnel Act.
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  Speaker 4: This was an attempt by Congress to thank all of
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  Speaker 4: their flag and general officers for what they had done during.
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  Speaker 5: World War II.
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  Speaker 4: And they promoted them to their highest wartime rank, because
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  Speaker 4: back in those days, the rank went with the job.
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  Speaker 4: My grandfather was a four-star admiral. General Short was a
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  Speaker 4: three-star general.
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  Speaker 5: And what did they do?
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  Speaker 4: They passed on hundreds of names to Congress for this honor.
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  Speaker 4: Two names were missing. Guess which ones those were? Kimmel
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  Speaker 4: and Short.
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  Speaker 2: Where did this charge arise? Where did this problem begin?
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  Speaker 2: What did they say your grandfather did, or more notably,
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  Speaker 2: did not do? What was behind this baseless charge of
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  Speaker 2: dereliction of duty?
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  Speaker 5: The president decided, I'm going to find out what happened
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  Speaker 5: out there.
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  Speaker 4: So he sent out an associate justice by the name
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  Speaker 4: of Owen Roberts, Supreme Court justice. And he went out there,
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  Speaker 4: and what do you think he saw? Blood, dead bodies
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  Speaker 4: all over the place, battleships ruined. And so he was aghast.
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  Speaker 4: He had no idea what had happened. Nobody did at
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  Speaker 4: that time. So he said, these officers were derelict in
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  Speaker 4: their duty, and that stuck. That's exactly what the media needed,
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  Speaker 4: and it stuck. And it stuck all these years. And we,
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  Speaker 4: the Kimmel family, are trying to erase that stain simply
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  Speaker 4: by a posthumous promotion and rank from two stars, Rear Admiral,
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  Speaker 4: to four stars.
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  Speaker 5: A piece of paper. That's all it is. A piece
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  Speaker 5: of paper.
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  Speaker 3: What did this do to your grandfather? And I know,
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  Speaker 3: I've read the book, and I've got to tell you
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  Speaker 3: about A Matter of Honor quickly. It's It is riveting.
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  Speaker 3: It's a thriller. It's a page-turner. It's history. It's everything
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  Speaker 3: coming to life. And it's a way that the book
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  Speaker 3: really does unravel the way the scapegoating of the Admiral
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  Speaker 3: exposes the scapegoating. But what did it do to him
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  Speaker 3: as a person? I get what it must have meant
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  Speaker 3: to him as a brave, honorable military man. But on
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  Speaker 3: a human level, Manning, what did it do to Admiral Kimmel?
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  Speaker 4: Basically, he became almost reckless because here's what the government
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't leave him alone. My grandfather was a trained engineer.
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  Speaker 4: And after World War II, we had a lot of U.S.
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  Speaker 4: installations that needed to be rebuilt. So my grandfather went
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  Speaker 4: to work for an engineering company. He knew the owner
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  Speaker 4: of the company. And he was assigned a particular project.
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  Speaker 4: We want you to work on this project. Well, as
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  Speaker 4: you do with any government-funded project, you have to submit reports.
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  Speaker 4: And those reports had his signature on it. And when
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  Speaker 4: the Defense Department saw the name of Husband Kimmel... On there,
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  Speaker 4: they called his boss and said, we're pulling that contract.
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  Speaker 4: We're pulling that contract. And the guy, the owner of
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  Speaker 4: the company said, well, you can do what you want
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  Speaker 4: to do. And my grandfather stepped in and said, no,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to let you be hurt by what's.
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  Speaker 5: Going on with me. So he pulled back. He retired.
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  Speaker 4: And basically, he was able to put food on the
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  Speaker 4: table by very cleverly.
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  Speaker 5: Investing here and there and what have you. And he
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  Speaker 5: was able to live comfortably. fairly comfortably.
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  Speaker 4: But he was, you know, every 7th of December, there
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  Speaker 4: was a knock on the door.
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  Speaker 5: A knock on the door. Admiral Kimball, what's going on?
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  Speaker 5: Anything new?
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  Speaker 4: And he, you know, he worked on this thing until
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  Speaker 4: the day he died. My father, every time he went
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  Speaker 4: up to see my grandfather in Groton, Connecticut.
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  Speaker 5: We would say the basic hellos, how you doing, Grandpa?
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  Speaker 5: Get a hug.
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  Speaker 4: And within 15 minutes, he and my father were walking
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  Speaker 4: down the hall to my grandfather's study, and they sat
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  Speaker 4: back there for hours talking about Pearl Harbor.
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  Speaker 5: Well, guess what?
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  Speaker 3: Ha!
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  Speaker 5: Many years later when I went up to see.
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  Speaker 4: My father in Delaware I I would walk down the
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  Speaker 4: hall and be in his office and we'd be.
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  Speaker 3: Manning Kimmel, look, WRHI is one of the most successful.
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  Speaker 3: I know your station there in Dallas is a fine station,
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  Speaker 3: but I can't stop talking enough to everybody in the
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  Speaker 3: business about WRHI. We're going to get back to Admiral
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  Speaker 3: Husband Kimmel and the book, A Matter of Honor. But Manning,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't mind, can I just ask you if
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  Speaker 3: you're If you're even aware of how rare it is
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  Speaker 3: successful and as viable and is the vibrant part of
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  Speaker 3: the community the WRHI is, you do know that around
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  Speaker 3: the country, radio stations like yours don't really exist much anymore.
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  Speaker 4: I think we've been blessed with the fact that this
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  Speaker 4: station has been in business for 85 years.
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  Speaker 5: We've only had three owners.
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  Speaker 4: My partner, Alan, and I have owned it for 42
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  Speaker 4: years out of that 85. And we still maintain the
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  Speaker 4: fact that we're local. We don't try to play in
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  Speaker 4: the sandbox of a larger city to the north. Our
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  Speaker 4: community is right here in your county. You talk about
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  Speaker 4: football games? We do 10 high school football games every
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  Speaker 4: Friday night. 10 high school football games. We start our
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  Speaker 4: broadcast at 6 o'clock in the evening. They end at
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  Speaker 4: 12 midnight. That's how much we do post-games, pre-games. We
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  Speaker 4: do all this stuff. Football's a big business. We carry
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  Speaker 4: all the college football games, USC, Clemson, the Panthers, NASCAR racing.
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  Speaker 3: They've got a wall of awards, Mark, that is just unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: And it's so fun. They've got a community guide that
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  Speaker 3: I've got. I stuck that in my briefcase when I
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  Speaker 3: was there the last time. Mark, it's the way radio
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  Speaker 3: used to be. Fun.
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  Speaker 2: It is the way it used to be. It's the
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  Speaker 2: way I believe it can be again for people who
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  Speaker 2: care enough to do it. It's an amazing legacy. And
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  Speaker 2: I was so glad in getting this book to learn
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  Speaker 2: about the legacy of your grandfather. And I learned a
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  Speaker 2: lot about him. And in seeing some of the things
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  Speaker 2: that he had said, Manny, he, somebody asked him about
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  Speaker 2: Pearl Harbor. And he, at one point, just kind of
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  Speaker 2: talked about how problematic, maybe vulnerable, talked about, I think
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  Speaker 2: he called it a mousetrap or something like that. Just
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  Speaker 2: giving honest assessments about Pearl Harbor. Do you feel like
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  Speaker 2: in essentially smearing him, But they went back and found
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  Speaker 2: old quotes of things that, hey, he said that. We'll
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  Speaker 2: try to make that look bad. And that went into
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  Speaker 2: the effort that went into besmirching his good name.
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  Speaker 4: So my grandfather was pretty clever. He was not stupid.
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  Speaker 4: And he actually demanded a court-martial. He wanted a court-martial
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  Speaker 4: so all the facts could be put out on the line.
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  Speaker 5: Never happened. They wouldn't give it to him. Why wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: they give it to him? Because he had found.
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  Speaker 4: Out that the Washington High Command had broken the Japanese
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  Speaker 4: diplomatic code and knew exactly what was happening, but they
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  Speaker 4: never transmitted the information on to the commanders. Keep in mind,
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  Speaker 4: this is 1941. No cell phones, no 24-hour news cycles,
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  Speaker 4: no satellites, nothing. The left hand depended on the right
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  Speaker 4: hand to tell him what was going on. He had
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  Speaker 4: every assurance in the world that we've got your six.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to watch it.
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  Speaker 5: Don't worry. If we see anything coming, we're going to
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  Speaker 5: let you know. Well, they didn't.
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  Speaker 4: They absolutely didn't. So he never got his day in court.
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  Speaker 4: They just let the scapegoating continue. Well, my father and
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  Speaker 4: my uncle weren't going to tolerate that. And they kept
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  Speaker 4: working on it, working on it, working on it. And finally,
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  Speaker 4: we had the 10th hearing in 1995, when the Undersecretary
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  Speaker 4: of the Defense Department, Edmund Dorn, held a hearing.
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  Speaker 5: We had all this information. We actually were called down
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  Speaker 5: to Washington, D.C.
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  Speaker 4: We had a two-hour meeting in the Senate Armed Services
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  Speaker 4: Committee meeting.
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  Speaker 5: It was like something out of Hollywood. We sat there,
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  Speaker 5: made our case.
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  Speaker 4: And Senator, a fellow by the name of Strom Thurmond,
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  Speaker 4: you all know Strom Thurmond, he said, you know, Mr.
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  Speaker 4: Secretary talked to the Defense Department. He said, I think
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  Speaker 4: we ought to consider what's going on here.
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  Speaker 5: And so.
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  Speaker 4: That led up, we don't have enough time to go
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  Speaker 4: through every step, but it led up to what was
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  Speaker 4: called the Dorn Report. And in that report, which came
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  Speaker 4: out from all these hearings that they had, they admitted
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  Speaker 4: in writing that the Washington High Command had the information
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  Speaker 4: and for some reason didn't send it on to the commanders, right?
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  Speaker 4: And that Kimmel and Short never should have been held
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  Speaker 4: derelict in their duty. So we said, hooray, fix this thing.
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  Speaker 4: Just give us that one little piece of paper.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, no. It wasn't good enough. So we kept pushing.
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  Speaker 5: We kept pushing.
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  Speaker 4: Then we have a piece of legislation that we got
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  Speaker 4: through in 2001.
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  Speaker 5: Mike, you saw the roll call vote here on my
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: wall where.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: All the senators voted to include this in the defense
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: authorization bill of 2001. And it asked the president to
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: posthumously correct this injustice done to Kimmel and Schor. And
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: nothing's ever happened. Guess who was one of the key
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: authors of this? A fellow by the name of Joe Biden.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Joe Biden was a United States senator from my home
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: state at the time, Delaware.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: What did Biden do? Absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 4: When I saw him when he was campaigning for vice
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: president down here in South Carolina, I went up to
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: him and told him about all this.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: He said, I thought this had all been taken care of.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: I said, Joe, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: I handed him the same one little piece of paper
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: that I gave to Mike Gallagher saying, here's where we are.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: And he did nothing with it. Nothing with it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: And our attempts to get to him when he became
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: president never came up to anything.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: But, Manning, this strikes me as a story that is
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: perfect for the 45th and 47th president of the United
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: States of America. And I... I want to just share
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: with Mark, I mean, I know you're frustrated, Manning, and look,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Mark and I are pretty connected. I mean, before I,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: and we can't promise anything, but I do believe that
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: we should commit to trying to get this piece of
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: paper for the Kimmel family done because they deserve it. Manning,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: have you been like rejected by the Trump administration or
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: turned down in any way, shape or form, or you
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: just haven't gotten a response?
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Been playing both sides of the political aisle, Democrats, Republicans,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: whoever's in control.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: And guess what?
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: I have not been able to reach into that White House.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: it's tough to break that circle of whatever behind them.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: I can't get through to any of these presidents. If anybody,
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: if Mike and Mike, can get through to the president
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: of the United States and give him this little one
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: piece of paper, I think things would begin to happen.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to presume that I somehow know
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that this, but we're all very familiar with Trump. He
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: is very fond of, between Trump, and I'll tell you what,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: this also resonates with Pete Hagseff, who believes in truth-telling,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: believes in war-fighting, believes in that ethos, And so listen,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: with whatever meager talents we may have and whatever connections
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: we may have, I think between this book and between
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the stories, maybe a copy of this podcast episode would
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: be a good thing to deliver. And listen, I've got
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: a couple more questions that I want to deliver one
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: other thing really while we're sitting here with Manning. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: that is the incredible value of what we have had
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: with our partnership. Speaking of partnerships with our friends at
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Food for the Poor, because Mike and I have been
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: to Guatemala. We've talked about all these amazing things. journeys
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: that we've had and these opportunities to see the real
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: people who have been helped over 44 years, 4.7 billion meals,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: 96,000 homes. Mike and I have been on these slopes,
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  Speaker 2: these rocky slopes and mountainsides where we haven't just brought
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  Speaker 2: food to people. We've also brought the gospel to people.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Food for the Poor is very faith-based. And they also
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  Speaker 2: bring the skill sets and the instructions and the learnings.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: and the tutelage and the stewardship so that people can
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: begin to fend for themselves. It has just been just
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: a life-changing thing, Mike. And I know you agree with
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: me to be associated with Food for the Poor.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: We like doing things like, not unlike WRHI and Rock Hill,
• 20:32
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• 20:41
  Speaker 3: And we also get very personal on this podcast. I've
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: shared this new news that was unwelcome in my life
• 20:46
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• 20:50
  Speaker 3: my widow maker. So not going to kill me any
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: minute now, but at least I know what to do.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: And one of the first things you do if you've
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: got coronary artery disease is you got to work on
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: the weight. And I'm so grateful that PhD weight loss
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• 21:10
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• 21:52
  Speaker 3: this is fun to do these Friday theme shows. I
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: want to remind our audience we're visiting with Manning Kimmel,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: who's been a friend of mine and I've been on
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: the WRHI team for years. the book that everyone should read,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: and you get it on Amazon. Is there an easy
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: way to get a matter of honor, Manning, other than Amazon?
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: That's the easiest way to do it. Right here.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Yep. We know a lot of people. You know a
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: lot of people. You're tight with congressmen and senators. I've
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: interviewed Trump a bunch of times. You've interviewed Trump. Doesn't
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: there have to be a way that we should get
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: this story into the Trump White House somehow?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I would think there would. It's not like they go
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: looking for a cause celeb or anything like this. But
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I will tell you that every White House, every administration
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: likes to do things that are, A, inherently good to do,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and B, adds to their legacy of trying to right
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: certain wrongs. And Manning, as I read the book and
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: as I took a look at A Matter of Honor
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: and the various quests that you guys have been on,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: you described sort of the mood of the 1940s, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: you said a couple of times we had a war
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: to win, which we did, and it kind of made
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: it foggy. It took our eye off sort of the
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: proper focal point that it should be of not smearing
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: and disfavoring someone who deserved better. In assembling all this
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: and reading the book and hearing what you've had to
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: say about it, what is your family's view of a
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: pretty widely held issue belief based on kind of the
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: fog of Pearl Harbor that FDR himself must have kind
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: of known it was coming. I hear that bandied about.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I can't disprove it. But you are so close to this,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: your family, your grandfather, so close to it. What would
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: he have said about that, and what's your family's view
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: of that?
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: My family's view of that has been pretty simple.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: We do not subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Roosevelt
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: knew about this. In fact, this book, which is heavily researched,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: these are two Pulitzer Prize finalist authors. They researched this
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: thing to death, and there's been 150 books written.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: About Pearl Harbor. This is the only one about my grandfather.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: And they dispute and they dispel that there's any connection
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: between Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor. Those around him, yes, we've
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: been able to prove that. The Washington High Command, they
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: knew what was going on. And what makes this thing
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: even worse is the fact that we went the administrative
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: route back in 2020 to the Board of Correction of
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Naval Records.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: We submitted all the information. And you know what?
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: They approved our application for correction of rank. It went
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: to the next step, which is the Secretary of the Navy.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: He approved it in 2021. He approved it. So we thought, boy,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: we got this thing going now. Next step and the
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: final step is the Secretary of Defense. It sat there
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: for two years. They did nothing with it except try
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: to kill it. And that's when I got James Clyburn involved,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: my Democratic friend who went to the Defense Department.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: He said, what are you doing here? So he made
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: them send it back. But you know what happened? They
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: sent it back with what I think was a little
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: post-it note.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: On there saying kill this thing. And the new secretary
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: of the Navy at that time killed it, killed it.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. It's just so frustrating. You might think the.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Bombs had fallen on Pearl Harbor yesterday, not 85 years ago.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: It's just infuriating. But I'm going to tell you something, Manning,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: and you guys mean a lot to me, and Mark
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: is just enamored with this story as well. We're going
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: to do everything we can. I mean, we know people.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I've got friends in and near the White House, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: all you want, like you said, is a change of rank.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: That's it, posthumously. You're not... You're not asking for a
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: miracle here, and it should be done, and it could
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: be done. And Mark, I think I can commit for
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: both of us, we're going to do everything we can
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: to try to spread the word.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: 100%. Because I know what everybody thinks is when there's
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: a reputation to be healed or some cause to be
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: made right. People think, well, clearly they're looking for a
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: lottery ticket. Cha-ching, cha-ching. They're looking for money. And that
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: is simply not the case here at all. It literally is.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, as the book title says, it is a
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: matter of honor. And the honorable thing to do would
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: be to make the trip. And it's a pleasure to
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: meet you, Manny. What a pleasure it is to meet you.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: And God bless you.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Manny, for joining us. You're an honorable guy
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: for fighting on behalf of your family and taking time
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: out of your show today. You had a busy schedule,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: and we appreciate you visiting with us here at M &
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: M Extra. And I can't wait to see you the
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: next time I'm able to come visit WRHI in Rock Hill,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: South Carolina. Can we make it a day?
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Bring him with you. Bring the other Mike with you
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Mark and Mike, we'll both be there. You got it.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: We'll be there.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: We'll do a remote.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Manny. Keep fighting the good fight. We appreciate you
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: joining us here.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Thank you both for all that you're doing for radio.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Special Friday episode with Manny and Kim. A matter of honor.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Get the book, Pearl Harbor, Betrayal, Blame, and a Family's
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Quest for Justice. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: next week. I'm off for a couple of days. You're
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: going to go solo for a couple of days.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And I will try to read the running narrative on
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: the YouTube thing for the live stream while you're away.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: And we'll look forward to your return. It's just M,
• 27:01
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• 27:04
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