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The Rita Panahi Show | 16 April · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: On Scotland's Ostrodia. This is the Wider Panalty Show. Good
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Speaker 1: evening and welcome to the Rita Paney Show.
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Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, a Labor Party linked climate charity receiving
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Speaker 2: funding from firms embroiled in slave labor allegations in China.
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Speaker 2: Adam Crichton will be here to discuss that and much more.
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Speaker 1: Labor pledges millions more in.
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Speaker 2: Medicare funding for lgbt Qia plus Australians.
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Speaker 1: Stephanie Bastian has the details.
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Speaker 2: We'll have advertising guru Richard Ralph Smith here to analyze
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Speaker 2: the good, the bad and the ugly output of the
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Speaker 2: major parties. And the Great Josh Hammer will have the
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Speaker 2: latest from the US right after left He's losing it.
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Speaker 2: And tonight we feature Joe Biden. Yes he's back.
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Speaker 3: The parking lot and I had never seen I had
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Speaker 3: never seen hardly any black people and Scranton.
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Speaker 2: At the time when I but first Australia's plummeting birth rates,
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Speaker 2: an issue that is being ignored by Labor and the
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Speaker 2: Coalition despite the enormous impact it has on our country,
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Speaker 2: it's demographics and its long term economic health. The Albanezi
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Speaker 2: government's latest budget projected that Australia's birth rate will four
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Speaker 2: to one point four this financial out. That's well below
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Speaker 2: the rate of two point one. The ABS says we
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Speaker 2: need to maintain a stable population and now former Treasurer
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Speaker 2: Repetic Costello, who famously gave out three thousand dollars baby
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Speaker 2: bonuses in his twenty two thousand and two budget, is
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Speaker 2: warning that productivity is about to crash further. He told
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Speaker 2: The Australian we are facing stronger headwinds in the future
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Speaker 2: with fertility decline and an increase in the age dependency ratio.
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Speaker 2: That means all other things being equal, productivity growth will
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Speaker 2: be less. Joining me now for more on this, senior
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Speaker 2: fellow and Chief Economists at the Institute of.
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Speaker 1: Public Affairs, Adam Crichton. Adam, we have.
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Speaker 2: Lots of policies aimed at young people in this election,
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Speaker 2: a lot of focus on first home buyers, but really
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Speaker 2: nothing on this very crucial issue, and it.
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Speaker 1: Speaks about so much.
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Speaker 2: It speaks about all sorts of societal issues as well
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Speaker 2: as economic issues.
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Speaker 4: Well, certainly, one of the reasons why I think young
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Speaker 4: couples are not having children is because of two high
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Speaker 4: house prices and yet the housing policies that have been
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Speaker 4: proposed in this selection will actually push up those prices
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Speaker 4: even more. So far from having no policies on the issue,
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Speaker 4: the policies are actually bad for the issue. It's you know,
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Speaker 4: it is a glaring emission that there's nothing nothing being
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Speaker 4: said on either side of politics about this serious issue.
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Speaker 4: One point four is seriously low, and I would say
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Speaker 4: it's actually worse than that if you look at the
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Speaker 4: native born population.
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Speaker 1: So often talk about record low.
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Speaker 4: So often it's migrant communities who have a lot of children.
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Speaker 4: So the native born communities is having even less.
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Speaker 5: Than one point four.
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Speaker 4: And the problem in this country is we've just relied
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Speaker 4: on immigrant for so long, mass immigration. You know, we
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Speaker 4: had one point two million people come into this country
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Speaker 4: in net terms in just three years from twenty twenty
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Speaker 4: two to now, and so no one's looking at this.
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Speaker 4: So if we slow the immigration down, we're going to
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Speaker 4: notice the birth rate effect much much more. We could
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Speaker 4: get creative like hungry for instance, where where I think
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Speaker 4: recently there's a law change there that if a woman
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Speaker 4: has four kids, she never pays income tax again.
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Speaker 5: So that's a creative solution that may or may not work.
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Speaker 4: But you know, but we should note that governments around
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Speaker 4: the world have tried throwing money at families to.
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Speaker 5: Have children, and it's very very hard. I mean the
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Speaker 5: Japanese government case in point. I mean the birth rate
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Speaker 5: there is even lower, the population.
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Speaker 4: Shrinking very fast, and they spend a fortune on trying
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Speaker 4: to get, you know.
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Speaker 5: To get women to have children. I mean some of
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Speaker 5: it is psychological.
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Speaker 4: We've got so much, you know, so much climate change
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Speaker 4: propaganda that some very misled young people are scared to
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Speaker 4: have children.
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Speaker 5: So that's another issue to absolutely.
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Speaker 2: I think it speaks about all sorts of issues in
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Speaker 2: a country when people don't want to have kids. I
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Speaker 2: think it's even deeper than just housing cost and cost
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Speaker 2: of living pressures.
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Speaker 1: And you're right about Hungary.
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Speaker 2: They are instituted a raft of policies and they are working.
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Speaker 2: They have seen their birth rate booth, and you don't
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Speaker 2: have to have four kids.
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Speaker 1: They're not that.
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Speaker 2: You can have just one child as a woman and
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Speaker 2: you'll get a twenty five percent discount on your income
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Speaker 2: tax rate that you're charged, and you have two kids
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Speaker 2: fifty percent discounts, So there's a real incentive. But I
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Speaker 2: think Australia we just rely on immigration, and we don't
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Speaker 2: see this as a real issue because we'll just bring
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Speaker 2: in more people.
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Speaker 4: Look, there's a crazy belief out there too that the
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Speaker 4: world's population is spiring out of control. Well, actually, as
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Speaker 4: Elon Musk always points out, it's actually going to be
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Speaker 4: spiring out.
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Speaker 5: Of control in a downward direction pretty soon. Birth rates
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Speaker 5: are falling everywhere, so even China. We are sharing it
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Speaker 5: in China as well.
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Speaker 1: It's ont due today.
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Speaker 2: One Child policy is now seeing the impact of that,
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Speaker 2: and it's going to be devastating for them in the
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Speaker 2: medium term. Now, let's talk about the Smart Energy sol
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Speaker 2: a green lobby group with links to labor and this
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Speaker 2: We've got a senior advisor who's at Simon Holmes the Court.
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Speaker 6: You've heard of him.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Smart Energy Council has been court accepting thousands
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Speaker 2: of dollars in funding from renewable energy companies accused of
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Speaker 2: using Wiga slave labor in China. One of those firms
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Speaker 2: is a major Chinese solar panel manufacturer, Jinko Solar.
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Speaker 1: And Simon Homes.
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Speaker 2: The Court actually attended a tour of one of their
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Speaker 2: Chinese factories back in twenty nineteen as part of a
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Speaker 2: delegation led by the Smart Energy Council. The council has
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Speaker 2: a track record of donating to the ALP and has
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Speaker 2: run campaigns telling voters to bin the Coalition. It is
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Speaker 2: responsible for the disputed claim that the opposition's nuclear policy
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Speaker 2: will cost six.
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Speaker 1: Hundred billion Adam.
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Speaker 2: I struggle to understand how this mob, this group enjoys
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Speaker 2: charity status.
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Speaker 4: Well, they always give themselves fancy names, smart energy Councils,
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Speaker 4: to give the illusion of, you know, that it's bipartisan,
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Speaker 4: when it's clearly not.
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Speaker 5: These are just highly political outfits.
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Speaker 4: The six hundred billion dollar figure, Actually the coalition should
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Speaker 4: be pushing back more against that.
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Speaker 5: I mean, where does it come from.
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Speaker 4: And let's face it, even if it's even if it's true,
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Speaker 4: at least we would get some nuclear powers, yes, for
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Speaker 4: the six hundred rather than rather than borrowing five hundred
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Speaker 4: billion during COVID for everyone to stay at home.
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Speaker 5: But you know, the point here.
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Speaker 4: From this that I drew it was just the extraordinary
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Speaker 4: hypocrisy on the left with climate change, that you've got
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Speaker 4: this slave labor being used to you know, to build
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Speaker 4: the solar panels. And these are the same people who
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Speaker 4: would say, oh, we need the highest industrial standards, the
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Speaker 4: highest workplace standards, So you know, just just extraordinary hypocrisy.
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Speaker 5: I would say.
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Speaker 2: Now, the US is actively considering fifteen bespoke agreements with
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Speaker 2: fifteen unnamed countries, and the Wall Street Journal is reporting
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Speaker 2: that Treasury Scott Treasury Secretary of Scott percent is prioritizing
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Speaker 2: quick agreements with South Korea, Kingdom and Australia, prioritizing deals
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Speaker 2: with the US's strongest allies. Meanwhile, Adam, a top Chinese official,
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Speaker 2: has launched an extraordinary attack against President Trump and America
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Speaker 2: over the decision to slap a one hundred and forty
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Speaker 2: five percent levy on goods from China.
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Speaker 1: He called the move brutally unreasonable.
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Speaker 2: They're senior Chinese official who overseas Hong Kong and Macau said,
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Speaker 2: the US isn't after our tariffs, but our very survival.
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Speaker 1: Let those peasants in the un hited States whale in
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Speaker 1: front of the.
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Speaker 2: Five thousand years of Chinese civilization.
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Speaker 1: Goodness, may China's.
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Speaker 2: Not used to a powerful country standing up time.
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Speaker 5: I certainly not. Look, I mean, I'm not surprised that
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Speaker 5: they're angry.
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Speaker 4: I mean, some of the language it's quite amusing, but
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Speaker 4: we've got, you know, we have a bullfight here between
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Speaker 4: the two biggest balls in the world. So it's you know,
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Speaker 4: it could get get quite agro. Let's hope it never
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Speaker 4: gets to a military point. But on the trade front,
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Speaker 4: there's going to be a lot of tariffs slapped on
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Speaker 4: either side and hopefully Australia Australia comes out of it
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Speaker 4: okay in the end. But it's worth pointing out too,
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Speaker 4: you know, kind of your earlier story there about the
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Speaker 4: possibility of an.
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Speaker 5: Agreement with the US. I mean, we've done reasonably well
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Speaker 5: out of this.
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Speaker 4: There's tariffs of the tariffs have gone on all countries
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Speaker 4: and we've just got ten percent, and that may even
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Speaker 4: be lessened based on your story earlier.
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Speaker 5: So you know, I think there's been a huge hysterical
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Speaker 5: reaction about this policiciller and it's been completely over the top.
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Speaker 2: That's waiting to say, completely over the top, particularly when
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Speaker 2: you look at other nations who've got tariffs against our products.
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Speaker 1: And there seems to be a little objection there.
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Speaker 5: And so China going to stop you. I mean, China
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Speaker 5: basically blockaded.
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Speaker 4: Our coal for ages because we are any of our
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Speaker 4: farming products, and there was nowhere near the reaction here
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Speaker 4: that there has been with the US.
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Speaker 5: Please, ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: Ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: And also the way you're seeing people siding with this
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Speaker 2: communist regime, the communist regime that enslaves Wiguas because of
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Speaker 2: their religious leaves, that a slave labor, that Ain has
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Speaker 2: a political dissidents who are facing the death penalty. Well,
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Speaker 2: and you've got people who supposedly value human rights siding
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Speaker 2: with China because Donald Trump.
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Speaker 5: It's very telling.
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Speaker 4: I think they actually do like the Chinese model of
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Speaker 4: government more, even though.
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Speaker 5: They don't say it, and that's why they don't attack them.
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Speaker 4: They quite like the total aiteners and they think it's efficient,
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Speaker 4: they think it works.
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Speaker 5: They don't like the US idea of freedom. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 5: the real issue.
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Speaker 2: Now it's time to check in on the major party's
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Speaker 2: social media campaigns. This week, they've been spooking their new
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Speaker 2: housing policies. Let's have a look at what Labour put
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Speaker 2: up on their Instagram page.
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Speaker 7: I feel like our generation will actually be able to
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Speaker 7: buy our own homes now. I just saw Albo's announcement
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Speaker 7: that all first home buyers will only need a five
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Speaker 7: percent deposit, and Labour's going to build one hundred thousand
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Speaker 7: new homes just for first home buys that property investors
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Speaker 7: won't be able to bit on.
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Speaker 1: And we had this from the Libs.
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Speaker 8: Three hundred and forty homes are complete and as these
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Speaker 8: have been acquired and conversion into social and affordable housing.
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Speaker 5: So do you say acquired and converted?
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's my understanding.
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Speaker 5: What does that mean?
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Speaker 1: Well then yeah, no, you go.
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Speaker 6: I'll just go past to my team.
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Speaker 5: How many of the three forty were built and how
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Speaker 5: many were required?
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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see if we can provide you with that answer.
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Speaker 9: We can't afford three more years of labor authorized by
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Speaker 9: a host liberal camera.
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Speaker 2: Adam, I'll be speaking to an advertising expert shortly about
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Speaker 2: how the major parties are faring.
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Speaker 1: But what do you make of what you've seen so far?
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Speaker 2: Actually, before I get your answer, let's check in with
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Speaker 2: the Greens as well.
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Speaker 1: They matter.
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Speaker 5: They matter.
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Speaker 9: We've just been out doing being in Merrickville and it
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Speaker 9: is crystal clear that Palestine is absolutely on the minds
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Speaker 9: of people here. They are totally disappointed for the Albanezi
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Speaker 9: government's complicity in the genocide, and they're planning to send
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Speaker 9: him a message at the ballot box.
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Speaker 1: Will keep him dumbing out.
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Speaker 10: Balestine is an election issue, but so is the cost
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Speaker 10: of living, so is events going through the roof.
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Speaker 1: There you go.
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Speaker 2: The Green seem to think that Palestine is a major
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Speaker 2: election issue.
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Speaker 4: Look, that was the first takeaway there for me. I
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Speaker 4: mean they didn't even talk about the climate. They talked
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Speaker 4: about Gaza and basically keeping the Liberal Party out.
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Speaker 5: So they're just a highly political effort in organization.
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Speaker 4: Really, the climate is less and less an issue with
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Speaker 4: the other two ads. Well, I think the young woman
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Speaker 4: in the labor ad is going to get a rude
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Speaker 4: shock when house prices keep going up. The labor policy
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Speaker 4: is not going to make any difference. And of course
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Speaker 4: this is the the five percent deposit policy, which you know,
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Speaker 4: I mean think about it. Does it Does it make
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Speaker 4: sense to buy a million dollar asset with fifty thousand dollars?
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Speaker 5: I mean, what happens if the price goes down? Who's
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Speaker 5: I mean? Who I mean who actually cops the loss? There? Well,
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Speaker 5: this is a touchdoiler or the buyer.
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Speaker 2: Because so many on the left do want house prices
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Speaker 2: to drop. In fact, even Clara O'Neil got some criticism
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Speaker 2: because she said, we don't want to see prices drop.
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Speaker 2: These people don't seem to understand that if how's prices drop,
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Speaker 2: that is economic disaster for Australians and a great many
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Speaker 2: Australian households whose biggest asset is their home and they
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Speaker 2: often have got significant borrowings against that home. So if
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Speaker 2: that value of that asset drops, that is not a
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Speaker 2: healthy economy.
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Speaker 5: It's very true.
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Speaker 4: I'm instantly looking back through history. The biggest depressions are
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Speaker 4: caused by huge crashes in the property market, and I
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Speaker 4: think if we had one now, it would be a
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Speaker 4: very big depression. Indeed, look at you know, we've Australia's
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Speaker 4: got itself into this issue where we're extremely dependent on
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Speaker 4: house prices.
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Speaker 5: Going up every year. As you say, everyone's borrowed fast
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Speaker 5: sums of money. You know, like the irishman that joke.
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to be starting here to get back
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Speaker 4: to that other place where we're not so dependent.
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Speaker 1: Adam Crush and thank you for your time tonight.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Joining me now is DPR and co advertising co
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Speaker 2: founder Richard Ralph Smith. Richard, We're going to assess the
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Speaker 2: effectiveness of political ads we've seen during this campaign.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with labor.
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Speaker 2: Many of their ads have targeted Peter Dutton specifically, and
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Speaker 2: there is always a scare campaign around cuts.
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Speaker 11: The money for Peter dutton six hundred billion dollar nuclear
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Speaker 11: plan has to come from somewhere, so twenty years to
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Speaker 11: build to make up under four percent of the grid,
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Speaker 11: and the CSIOO says it will drive up power bills
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Speaker 11: and he'll have to drive up the cost of everything
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Speaker 11: else to pay for it.
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Speaker 5: So under Dutton, your health costs go up. Under Duttin,
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Speaker 5: your tax goes up.
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Speaker 11: Underdutton, your HEXTEP childcare medicines takee thees go up.
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Speaker 5: He cuts you pay authorized p eRx and ALP camera.
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Speaker 2: People say they don't like negative ads, but Richard negative ads,
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Speaker 2: particularly political negative ads, are enormously effective. They've had other
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Speaker 2: ads painting Peter Dutton as economically illiterate and reckless dangerous.
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Speaker 1: How effective are they?
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Speaker 8: They are effective, and they're quite easy. It's easy to
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Speaker 8: do a negative ad. It's easy to sort of get
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Speaker 8: people riled up about a negative ad and a positive one.
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Speaker 8: This one's actually had quite a bit of an agement online.
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Speaker 8: It's probably a labour's most effective scare ad. And I
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Speaker 8: think the reason is that people don't average voters do
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Speaker 8: not understand the cost structures of nuclear energy, or energy
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Speaker 8: and any energy.
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Speaker 5: For that matter.
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Speaker 8: So raising the specter of cost and then itemizing all
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Speaker 8: of those cost of living issues that are Dutton's means
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Speaker 8: for paying for it is a really really effective scare campaign.
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Speaker 2: That Yeah, I want to show you this Greens ad.
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Speaker 2: They have been very clear with their messaging. They're basically saying,
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Speaker 2: we want to keep Dutton out of office and we
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Speaker 2: want to get Elbow to submit to our demands.
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Speaker 10: If you're worried about the cost of living, housing, more
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Speaker 10: climate crisis, you're not alone.
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Speaker 7: We can't keep voting for the same two parties and
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Speaker 7: expecting a different result.
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Speaker 1: The Greens want change.
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Speaker 5: If you need dental and mental health into medicare.
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Speaker 12: Are rent freeze, cheaper groceries?
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Speaker 13: And do you want to make big corporations pay their
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Speaker 13: fair share of tax?
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Speaker 1: We're with you.
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Speaker 13: The Greens are within reach of winning new seats across
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Speaker 13: the country.
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Speaker 5: We'll keep Dutton out and get labor to acts.
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Speaker 2: I guess to be surprised that it's overwhoingly young people
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Speaker 2: in that ad.
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Speaker 1: That's who they target.
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Speaker 2: They've got a lot of policies that appeal to what
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Speaker 2: I would call low information voters, whether you just get
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Speaker 2: everything for free with really no thought of who's paying
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Speaker 2: for this, how are we paying for it?
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Speaker 5: So magic pudding.
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Speaker 1: It is a bit of a magic pudding. But does
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Speaker 1: it work?
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Speaker 5: Look, I think we'll see.
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Speaker 8: I think the most likely outcome we are going to
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Speaker 8: have from this election if the betting markets are to
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Speaker 8: be believed as a Labor Greens coalition.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 8: So what's interesting in that ad as well is that
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Speaker 8: out of thirty seconds, they spend one second talking about
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Speaker 8: the environment, and as you say, they make it really,
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Speaker 8: really really clear, we're going to keep Dutton out and
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Speaker 8: we're going to drag labor to the left. So they're
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Speaker 8: putting all their cards on the table as much as
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Speaker 8: when Easy doesn't want to admit that that's what's going
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Speaker 8: to happen if the votes fall that way.
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Speaker 2: How do you strike that balance tween being able to
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Speaker 2: articulate a position in an ad say this is what
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Speaker 2: we stand for, but at the same time getting the
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Speaker 2: message through that the other guy is bad news. We've
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Speaker 2: got to be getting rid of albol, getting rid of Dutton.
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Speaker 1: It's how do you manage that when you've got limited
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Speaker 1: time limited budget.
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Speaker 8: Well, the first thing is you don't try to do
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Speaker 8: everything right. You need to create an overarching narrative that
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Speaker 8: is a motive that's easy to understand and that you
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Speaker 8: repeat with all of these different proof points. You can
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Speaker 8: put positive ads, negative ads under it, and people just
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Speaker 8: buy it. I mean, everybody knew in two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 8: Yes we can for Obama, everybody knows make America great again.
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Speaker 8: If you ask the average liberal or labor voter what
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Speaker 8: the line or the overarching theme of either of their
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Speaker 8: campaign is, none of them know. And the reason is
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Speaker 8: because they're boring and they keep changing, they keep scattering
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Speaker 8: their messages.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Right, And we saw that also with Tony Abbott's landslide victory,
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Speaker 2: where it was about stop the boats. We knew what
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Speaker 2: the policy was. We knew about Cardi cutting carbon tax.
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Speaker 2: It was clear and it was a clear point of differentiation.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the Libs now.
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Speaker 1: They've put out a rap song.
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Speaker 6: You've got to bring them braces down.
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Speaker 11: This is what we know because our bull's gotta leave,
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Speaker 11: owbull's gotta leave.
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Speaker 5: Questions credit.
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Speaker 2: Are they trying to make elbow look cool? Because if
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Speaker 2: you watch that, you think maybe that wasn't a labor ad.
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Speaker 2: I struggle to understand what angle they're going for with that.
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Speaker 2: Are they trying to appeal to young voters appear to
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Speaker 2: be hip and cool?
17:43
Speaker 8: I know, could the campaign get any dumber? Look, there
17:47
Speaker 8: are two scores of thought. The first one and you know,
17:49
Speaker 8: I did a bit of a one thing that's great
17:51
Speaker 8: about advertising. A lot of gen Z's in the office,
17:53
Speaker 8: like you can always do a straw pole. They all
17:56
Speaker 8: thought it was stupid. They all thought it was like
17:59
Speaker 8: the old man trying to be the cool kid.
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, not everyone on TikTok is a tully,
18:04
Speaker 2: not a schooling exactly.
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Speaker 8: Not everyone on TikTok is eighteen and some eighten year
18:10
Speaker 8: olds are quite smart and engaged as well. So that's
18:14
Speaker 8: one side of the coin. The other side of the coin,
18:17
Speaker 8: it's like rage bait. You know, are people going to
18:20
Speaker 8: hate on this enough that well, while they're hating on it,
18:22
Speaker 8: they're engaged, whether they're sharing it and they're talking it.
18:25
Speaker 8: And this has actually had the most engagement and the
18:29
Speaker 8: most news media and the most sharing of anything that
18:31
Speaker 8: we've had so far.
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Speaker 5: So I don't think I think it's de branding for
18:35
Speaker 5: the Liberals. I don't think it.
18:37
Speaker 8: Looks like the Liberal Party that people trust at all.
18:40
Speaker 8: For those who do trust the Liberal Party at de
18:42
Speaker 8: brands among their base, look among the young people. That
18:45
Speaker 8: might at least shift the narrative and have them talking
18:48
Speaker 8: about the party. But I don't think it's enough to
18:51
Speaker 8: move a needle.
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Speaker 12: No.
18:52
Speaker 2: And I think that notion that any publicity is good
18:55
Speaker 2: publicity just because it's getting attention it's successful.
18:59
Speaker 1: Is a very very dangerous.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That is I think something advertisers say when they come
19:05
Speaker 2: up with bad ads that go viral.
19:07
Speaker 1: They have also put out this effort they'll.
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Speaker 5: Be better off under a labor government than they will.
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Speaker 1: Be really done. Has he delivered more housing?
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Speaker 10: No?
19:17
Speaker 1: Has he made things cheaper as he fixed the cost
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Speaker 1: of living fourteen bucks thanks?
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Speaker 6: Nah?
19:25
Speaker 5: Has he made the country safer?
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Speaker 1: Nah? Didn't he spend nearly half a billion on the police?
19:32
Speaker 2: Yeah?
19:32
Speaker 5: He did that.
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Speaker 15: We can't afford three more years of labor authorized by
19:37
Speaker 15: a host liberal Canberra.
19:38
Speaker 1: What do you think about that ad? Does it pass
19:40
Speaker 1: the pop test?
19:42
Speaker 8: I was going to say it's a literal pub test.
19:43
Speaker 8: It's actually had some decent online engagement. It's kind of
19:47
Speaker 8: relatable the guy on the left looks like he's had
19:49
Speaker 8: ten beers. So there's one hundred and forty bucks cost
19:51
Speaker 8: of living message right there. It does a fairly reasonable
19:55
Speaker 8: job of itemizing the failures of the last few years,
19:58
Speaker 8: but it's not really it's not going to get people
20:01
Speaker 8: talking and sharing it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit boring, that's it. Richard Ralph Smith,
20:05
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Thank you, reader
20:07
Speaker 2: stilta carma, lefties losing it? Plus Donald Trump hits a
20:12
Speaker 2: record high approval rating amid the tariff turmoil.
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Speaker 1: Josh Hammer joins me.
20:17
Speaker 2: Next, you're watching the Reader Panny Show, and it's time
20:29
Speaker 2: for lefties.
20:31
Speaker 1: Losing it and he's back the puppet President.
20:34
Speaker 2: Joe Biden has made his first public remarks since he
20:38
Speaker 2: left office in January, and of course he launched into
20:41
Speaker 2: an incoherent attack against President Donald Trump. It was a mess, folks,
20:46
Speaker 2: a train wreck, just like his presidency. It started badly
20:50
Speaker 2: and it got worse. Let's look at Biden here, ignoring
20:54
Speaker 2: the blaring music and just launching into his.
20:57
Speaker 6: Speech about rain old girl.
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Speaker 9: We deserve.
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Speaker 2: Oh that had to abruptly cut the music because he
21:17
Speaker 2: wasn't stopping, folks.
21:18
Speaker 1: He was going to keep talking even though no one
21:20
Speaker 1: could hear him.
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Speaker 6: Bless uh.
21:23
Speaker 1: You know, perhaps they should have kept the music coming.
21:26
Speaker 3: That's what you're all about. That's what that's what, That's
21:30
Speaker 3: what the legislation is about. It's about dignity, simple dignity. Everyone.
21:38
Speaker 3: Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity, regardless of the standard,
21:43
Speaker 3: regardless of economics, regardless of who they are making sure
21:48
Speaker 3: of the more than sixty million Americans were living with disabilities,
21:52
Speaker 3: are treating with dignity.
21:54
Speaker 5: Is that who we are as Americans.
21:57
Speaker 3: That's what it's about.
22:00
Speaker 1: I mean it.
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Speaker 2: It was classic Joe Biden, gibberish, belly, coherent sentences, bursts
22:07
Speaker 2: of anger and shouting and whatever.
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Speaker 14: This is.
22:13
Speaker 1: The parking lot.
22:14
Speaker 3: And I had never seen I had never seen hardly
22:18
Speaker 3: any black people scanting at the time when I and
22:21
Speaker 3: I was only going on the fourth grade. And I
22:24
Speaker 3: remember seeing the kids going by at the time called
22:26
Speaker 3: colored kids on a bus going by.
22:28
Speaker 2: Okay, Joe, you know, Biden's cognitive decline is nothing new.
22:34
Speaker 2: It was evident even before he became president.
22:38
Speaker 14: Remember this got hairy legs, that turn that that that
22:42
Speaker 14: that that turn about, blonde in the sun and The
22:47
Speaker 14: kids used to come up and reach in the pool
22:49
Speaker 14: and rub my leg down.
22:51
Speaker 3: So it was training that. Watch the hair come back
22:54
Speaker 3: up again.
22:55
Speaker 16: They look at it.
22:56
Speaker 15: So I learned about roaches.
22:57
Speaker 17: I learned about kids jumping on my lap, and I
23:01
Speaker 17: love kids jumping on my lap.
23:02
Speaker 1: He learnt about roaches. He learned about kids jumping.
23:05
Speaker 2: On his lap, and he loves kids jumping on his lap.
23:08
Speaker 2: That was before he was president. Never forget how the
23:13
Speaker 2: leftist media covered up that man's obvious mental decline. Now,
23:18
Speaker 2: talking about mental decline, let's check in with Bernie Sanders,
23:21
Speaker 2: who was at Coachella.
23:22
Speaker 1: Yes, the millionaire socialist with three houses.
23:25
Speaker 2: Thought a music festival was the perfect place for this
23:29
Speaker 2: anti Trump sermon.
23:30
Speaker 1: We need you to stand up to fight for justice.
23:35
Speaker 15: He thinks stay climate change.
23:38
Speaker 5: It's a hopes.
23:42
Speaker 1: He is dangerously wrong.
23:46
Speaker 15: And you and I, you and I are going to
23:49
Speaker 15: have to stand up to the bustle f.
23:51
Speaker 13: Your industry and tell them to stop destroying this flat.
23:56
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure the drugged upper yuppies at Coachella really
24:00
Speaker 2: appreciated that rant and everything at that music festival is
24:04
Speaker 2: actually dependent on fossil fuels, including the jets. The rich
24:07
Speaker 2: and famous take to perform more attend the festival. There
24:11
Speaker 2: was plenty more lefties losing it at Coachella. Here is
24:15
Speaker 2: Kneecap Kneecap. Google tells me it's a Irish hip hop group,
24:19
Speaker 2: as if that's a thing they had the drugged up Yup.
24:23
Speaker 2: He is in California singing this delightful tune about Margaret Thatcher.
24:28
Speaker 6: If anybody was.
24:29
Speaker 1: Well, Margaret Fletcher herself.
24:31
Speaker 6: Damn.
24:41
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Yes, the greatest formal leta we have
24:51
Speaker 2: seen and died at the age of eighty seven, twelve
24:54
Speaker 2: years ago, and these sad losers are still chanting about it.
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Speaker 1: Ding up the Coachella lunacy.
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Speaker 2: Our middle aged MUSCAA wearing pop rockers Green Day, who
25:06
Speaker 2: have taken a break from their pro Palestinian activism to
25:09
Speaker 2: again rail against Mega.
25:11
Speaker 1: Oh maybe I'm.
25:16
Speaker 5: Not of the Mega Chen.
25:21
Speaker 1: Now.
25:21
Speaker 2: It seemed like only last week we were laughing at
25:24
Speaker 2: Democrat Cory Booker's stunt of talking for twenty four hours straight.
25:29
Speaker 1: We wondered whether he was wearing an adult nappy. Those
25:32
Speaker 1: questions were never answered.
25:34
Speaker 2: And bless him, Corey Booker is back now and he's
25:37
Speaker 2: not only providing lolls but hugs.
25:39
Speaker 10: What are we going to do about protecting LGBTQ rates
25:42
Speaker 10: and trans rates for those who don't have a voice
25:45
Speaker 10: that could speak up.
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Speaker 5: This is not a costume. This is who I am,
25:48
Speaker 5: and I am not about to let him tell me
25:51
Speaker 5: who I am.
25:53
Speaker 9: Thank you, thank you for coming.
25:54
Speaker 5: So so, first of all, can I have a hug?
25:57
Speaker 2: Yes, we've already spoken about the insufferable, self delighted, rich
26:08
Speaker 2: and famous ladies who went into space for a few.
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Speaker 1: Minutes, but they keep talking about it, so I've got
26:15
Speaker 1: to cover it. Here is Katy Perry.
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Speaker 12: I hope they can see the unity that we modeled
26:21
Speaker 12: and replicate that and understand that we weren't just taking
26:25
Speaker 12: up space. We were making space for the future. And
26:30
Speaker 12: for me, like Gil said, this wasn't a ride, it
26:34
Speaker 12: wasn't a destination. It was a journey and it was
26:37
Speaker 12: a supernatural one.
26:39
Speaker 2: And here is Oprah's bestie, Gail King, talking about the
26:43
Speaker 2: backlash to all the hyperbole we've heard from these ladies.
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Speaker 18: This is what bothers me because I've certainly read some
26:49
Speaker 18: of the things online coming from people that I know
26:52
Speaker 18: that I like, that I consider friends. Space is not
26:55
Speaker 18: an either or, it's a both and and because you
26:58
Speaker 18: do something in space doesn't mean you're tea anything away
27:00
Speaker 18: from Earth. And what you're doing in space is trying
27:03
Speaker 18: to make things better here on Earth.
27:04
Speaker 2: And Gail King claims that these overprivileged women were victims
27:09
Speaker 2: of sexism. How else can you explain this stunt being
27:13
Speaker 2: called frivolous?
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Speaker 18: What do you think when people say, oh, it's frivolous.
27:16
Speaker 18: Number one, they call it a ride, which I find
27:18
Speaker 18: very irritating because they never say men went for a ride.
27:21
Speaker 18: What do you say to people who think that this
27:23
Speaker 18: was frivolous or just to ride it? You know, I
27:26
Speaker 18: think the message that it sends is very, very powerful.
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Speaker 2: Laurence Sanchez, whose fiance Jeff owns the rocket, while she
27:33
Speaker 2: was reduced to tears by the experience.
27:35
Speaker 1: And six women just did the same flight that.
27:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, she didn't.
27:42
Speaker 1: I just want to keep hugging you.
27:43
Speaker 15: It's really cool.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, And I hope that more people get to see
27:48
Speaker 18: this because I feel I don't even.
27:51
Speaker 6: Know how much it's going to change me.
27:53
Speaker 2: And if you thought that was bad, watch this performance
27:56
Speaker 2: from Katy Perry, who joining me now is Newsweek's Senior
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Speaker 2: editor at Large and Article three projects senior Council Josh Hammer.
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Speaker 1: Josh, just how insufferable and self delighted can these ladies be?
28:20
Speaker 2: We had less carry on when real astronauts stranded in
28:24
Speaker 2: space for months were rescued recently by SpaceX. These over
28:30
Speaker 2: privileged ladies spent a total of eleven minutes floating around
28:34
Speaker 2: in their designer spacesuits.
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Speaker 1: And now they think it's going to bring about world peace.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, reader, you know, it kind of reminds me a
28:43
Speaker 13: little bit of the old John Lennon's song Imagine, otherwise
28:46
Speaker 13: known as the as the worst song ever written. I mean,
28:48
Speaker 13: John Lennon had this song back in the nineteen seventies
28:51
Speaker 13: after the breakup of the Beatles, that it's going to
28:53
Speaker 13: be a world with no borders, no religion, just Kumbai
28:56
Speaker 13: ya world peace there, you know, and apparently Katy Perry
28:59
Speaker 13: here and they and the ladies circumnavigating the globe in
29:02
Speaker 13: the year twenty twenty five are trying to do their
29:04
Speaker 13: best John Lennon Imagine impression there. But I mean, what
29:08
Speaker 13: a bunch of of just over indulgent, pure exhibitionism. I mean,
29:12
Speaker 13: that really is the world that comes to mind here.
29:13
Speaker 13: I mean, I think this is obviously a stunt. It
29:15
Speaker 13: is transparently a stunt. These people are not going into
29:18
Speaker 13: space for any other reason other than to kind of
29:20
Speaker 13: raise their fist and say raw raw feminism. World beside.
29:24
Speaker 13: I mean the message frankly, like, I don't even really
29:26
Speaker 13: understand exactly what the purpose of this stunt was. I mean,
29:29
Speaker 13: it's kind of like a United Nations like hold hands
29:31
Speaker 13: together kumbayah thing. It's also partially like a feminism thing.
29:35
Speaker 13: But frankly, I mean when people do this in the
29:37
Speaker 13: name of feminism, they actually set real feminism and real
29:41
Speaker 13: genuine equality. The sex is backwards there, because I mean,
29:44
Speaker 13: if this is what people think of when they think
29:46
Speaker 13: of feminisms, someone who gets dolled up and they put
29:48
Speaker 13: on the designer suits and the makeup. I mean Katy
29:51
Speaker 13: Perry clearly spending more time actually getting her makeup ready
29:54
Speaker 13: than actually going up into the atmosphere, right. I mean,
29:57
Speaker 13: I mean people see this and they're like, Okay, this
29:59
Speaker 13: is feminists, I'm going to pose it. So they're undermining
30:02
Speaker 13: the very cause they purport a champion. They're ultimately all
30:05
Speaker 13: sorts of these stunts. This is the reason, reader, why
30:08
Speaker 13: I think the left is just is just not in
30:10
Speaker 13: a good place in the United States, because it is
30:12
Speaker 13: all pure symbolism. It is all virtue singling. That's the
30:15
Speaker 13: entire edifice, that's the entire purpose. Super nuts of all, frankly,
30:19
Speaker 13: all of all they believe these.
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Speaker 2: Days, you're so right, is just so self delighted, so
30:28
Speaker 2: divorced from reality. And they probably did spend a great
30:32
Speaker 2: deal more time on their hair and makeup than they
30:34
Speaker 2: actually did in space.
30:35
Speaker 1: They were up there only for eleven minutes. Now, let's
30:39
Speaker 1: talk about Donald Trump.
30:40
Speaker 2: He's going to be very happy with the poll released overnight.
30:43
Speaker 2: After a poor showing on a CBS poll a day earlier,
30:47
Speaker 2: this latest poll shows Donald Trump has hit a record
30:51
Speaker 2: high approval rating amid the tariff turmoil. The new Daily
30:56
Speaker 2: Mail Jail Partner's polling was conducted between April ten and
30:59
Speaker 2: a fourteen, and it shows the president's approval ratings sitting
31:04
Speaker 2: at fifty four percent. Josh, what's really interesting here is
31:08
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump remains most popular with young voters. Among
31:12
Speaker 2: those aged eighteen to twenty nine, the president's approval rating
31:15
Speaker 2: is sixty four percent, and it's in their fifties for
31:20
Speaker 2: every other age group.
31:22
Speaker 1: That's pretty incredible.
31:24
Speaker 5: Josh.
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Speaker 13: So, there's a few things that are very very interesting
31:28
Speaker 13: about about those graphs and the data that we all
31:30
Speaker 13: just saw there. So, going back to the to the
31:32
Speaker 13: Trump baseline number there, he's currently at around fifty three
31:35
Speaker 13: percent curt this poll. Even at his lowest point of
31:38
Speaker 13: the second term thus far, he's at around forty nine percent.
31:41
Speaker 13: Forty nine percent believe it or not, Riada in contemporary
31:44
Speaker 13: American polling is actually very good as far as the
31:47
Speaker 13: president's approval rating goes. I'm not sure that Donald Trump
31:49
Speaker 13: reached forty nine percent really in his entire first term. Neither,
31:53
Speaker 13: for that matter, de Barack Obama in his entire second term.
31:56
Speaker 13: Joe Biden definitely did not. We probably have not seen
31:58
Speaker 13: presidential approval ratings this high since the very earliest days
32:01
Speaker 13: of Barack Obama, prior to twenty ten, prior to Obamacare,
32:04
Speaker 13: back when the country was still enraptured by these false
32:07
Speaker 13: promises of hope and change. It's been a long time,
32:09
Speaker 13: as the point there, So Donald Trump is clearly on
32:11
Speaker 13: a high. People that are trying to tear him down,
32:13
Speaker 13: that are saying that he's he's in a constitutional crisis
32:16
Speaker 13: and that he's in a showdown of the courts. What's
32:18
Speaker 13: going to happen with this El Salvadoran migrant there DEI
32:22
Speaker 13: they're calling my racist as they would do there. The
32:24
Speaker 13: American people aren't buying it. The American people have seen
32:26
Speaker 13: this play before and when you cry wolf enough times rita,
32:30
Speaker 13: which the Democrat media complex here in the United States
32:32
Speaker 13: has been doing on and on and on and on
32:35
Speaker 13: for the past decade, ever since Trump's to send down
32:37
Speaker 13: the guilded Escalator a Trump Tower in the summer fifteen.
32:40
Speaker 13: At some point, the American people are just gonna say enough,
32:42
Speaker 13: I call your bluff. I don't buy it. That's what's
32:44
Speaker 13: happening right now.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And we've seen these poll numbers always be underreported anyhow,
32:52
Speaker 2: which shocked me that it was still happening in twenty
32:55
Speaker 2: twenty four, because we saw that in twenty sixteen, and
32:59
Speaker 2: it was pretty concised throughout the twenty twenty four campaign
33:02
Speaker 2: as well, where the reality did not match the polls.
33:05
Speaker 2: The reality ended up being a lot better for Donald Trump,
33:08
Speaker 2: and the bad news continues for the Democrats. Have a
33:11
Speaker 2: listen to this shock poll result, This shook up CNN.
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Speaker 17: This to me is one of the most shocking pieces
33:18
Speaker 17: of poll data that I truly, truthfully have seen this year,
33:21
Speaker 17: maybe in any prior year. Really, yes, really, because I
33:24
Speaker 17: want you to take a look cares more about the
33:25
Speaker 17: needs for people like you? You mentioned to Kate Paul,
33:28
Speaker 17: and we got a tie.
33:29
Speaker 16: Even after this terifar had already started split between Democrats
33:33
Speaker 16: and Republicans on how people feel which party cares more
33:36
Speaker 16: for needs of people like you?
33:37
Speaker 17: And why is that so surprising? Because I want you
33:40
Speaker 17: to take a look.
33:40
Speaker 1: At prior years.
33:41
Speaker 17: Democrats always lead on this question.
33:44
Speaker 16: Back in twenty seventeen, before the twenty eighteen mid terms,
33:47
Speaker 16: thirteen point lead, twenty five, a twenty three point lead
33:49
Speaker 16: for Democrats, nineteen ninety four, which was a big Republican year,
33:52
Speaker 16: a nineteen point lead for Democrats, and now, all of
33:55
Speaker 16: a sudden, a tie. All of a sudden, the Democrats,
33:58
Speaker 16: who were the party of the people no more, no more,
34:01
Speaker 16: We get a tie on this question, on a question
34:04
Speaker 16: that has traditionally overwhelmingly been a Democratic advantage.
34:08
Speaker 2: This is a stunning turnaround, Josh, and I think the
34:12
Speaker 2: tariff policy, as unpopular as we are told it is,
34:16
Speaker 2: might have something to do with that.
34:19
Speaker 13: Well, it had a lot to do with that actually,
34:20
Speaker 13: because it is emblematic of Donald Trump's working class mentality there.
34:24
Speaker 13: I mean, this is a man who has fundamentally reshaped
34:26
Speaker 13: the Republican Party. And you know, people say that it's
34:30
Speaker 13: Donald Trump's party. No, there's actually a very long historical
34:33
Speaker 13: school of thought when it comes to this more national
34:36
Speaker 13: as populous strand of conservatism. I think back actually as
34:39
Speaker 13: far back as Benjamin Disraelied, the nineteenth century British prime minister.
34:43
Speaker 13: He coined the term one nation conservatism. It's this idea
34:46
Speaker 13: that the working class, in the middle class really is
34:48
Speaker 13: that really of the country.
34:50
Speaker 1: For far too long, for far too long.
34:53
Speaker 13: The Republican Party veered in a pro elite, pro wall
34:57
Speaker 13: ste direction. They lost track of who they were. They
34:59
Speaker 13: complete abandoned the very people that made this country grin
35:03
Speaker 13: in the first place. Donald Trump is bringing it back there,
35:05
Speaker 13: and his pro tariff, pro industrial policy measures I think
35:08
Speaker 13: are very much part of the appeal. He recognizes that
35:11
Speaker 13: our economists are ruling elits. Both parts went way way
35:14
Speaker 13: way too far down the rabbit hole and maximizing vague
35:18
Speaker 13: nostrums such as economic efficiency and consumer surplus. What about
35:22
Speaker 13: the notion of manufacturing What about just making stuff there?
35:25
Speaker 13: What about the fact that China has just taken all
35:27
Speaker 13: of America's national security critical supply chain there? This stuff
35:30
Speaker 13: actually matters a lot. Donald Trump's the guy to do it.
35:32
Speaker 13: They're he's the champion of the working class. And you
35:35
Speaker 13: see right there in the CNN poll. You know Harry Enton.
35:37
Speaker 13: There is a CNN guy. I've known Harry since I
35:39
Speaker 13: was eighteen years old.
35:39
Speaker 1: We go way back.
35:41
Speaker 13: Like I feel readA that Harry's trying to tell the
35:43
Speaker 13: c and and audience a message there. I'm not sure
35:45
Speaker 13: the CNN audience wants to listen to that message stuff.
35:49
Speaker 1: No, I think when he brings them news like that,
35:52
Speaker 1: they just turn off. Now we talk about.
35:55
Speaker 2: Constitutional crisis, this, I think is the real constitutional crisis.
36:00
Speaker 2: Another Obama appointed judge, this time Indirat Taliwany, blocking the
36:06
Speaker 2: Trump administration from canceling a program introduced by Joe Biden
36:11
Speaker 2: granted parole and the right to work to more than
36:14
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand immigrants from our countries like Haiti and Venezuela.
36:20
Speaker 1: What happens next year.
36:21
Speaker 2: Josh, What can the administration do about these activist judges
36:26
Speaker 2: who are undermining the authority of the July elected president.
36:32
Speaker 13: Well, there's a lot, frankly, that Congress and the president,
36:34
Speaker 13: acting in tandem can do. Fortunately for Donald Trump, his
36:37
Speaker 13: party Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, so if they
36:40
Speaker 13: actually wanted to, they could solve this prom essentially overnight.
36:42
Speaker 13: So here are among the various things they could do.
36:45
Speaker 13: You can, of course, get the ball rolling on judicial
36:47
Speaker 13: impeachment if there is a truly rogue judge. Now then
36:50
Speaker 13: really that would require a two thirds majority in the Senate,
36:53
Speaker 13: so it's a bit of a long shot there. But
36:54
Speaker 13: you could pass legislation Congress could pass, and the president
36:57
Speaker 13: consigns law, such things as jurisdiction stripping legislation. Congress has
37:02
Speaker 13: the ability, in our constitutional order to basically dictate what
37:06
Speaker 13: types of cases federal judges can hear. If Congress wants
37:08
Speaker 13: to say that, in a certain type of case, a
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Speaker 13: certain cause of action, the federal courts have no jurisdiction.
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Speaker 13: It's only state courts and local courts that here it.
37:16
Speaker 13: Congress can do that there. When it comes to some
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Speaker 13: of these so called nationwide injunctions, which are lagrantly and
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Speaker 13: frankly offensively unconstitutional, Congress could abolish that overnight tomorrow, Lane too,
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Speaker 13: Congress has full authority to detail what remedies a federal
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Speaker 13: court can issue and cannot issue. There And frankly, rita,
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Speaker 13: I mean, if the courts really ultimately do want to
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Speaker 13: play this game, they really really want to go go
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Speaker 13: down there ultimately, ultimately, I think it's worth bearing in
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Speaker 13: minds in the Federals number seventy eight from Alexander Hamilton,
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Speaker 13: one of our great founding fathers. He famously said that
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Speaker 13: the judiciary is the least dangerous branch because it has
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Speaker 13: neither force nor will, but merely judgment, and depends upon
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Speaker 13: the efficacy of the executive branch even for the enforcement
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Speaker 13: of its own judgements. I emphasized that lighter part there,
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Speaker 13: because it's something of a truism. The courts literally cannot
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Speaker 13: enforce their own orders. In fact, the mere fact that
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Speaker 13: egiicial opinion has been rendered in our system, it is
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Speaker 13: the persuasive ability of that opinion that controls whether the
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Speaker 13: executive will enforce it. So at some point there, at
38:16
Speaker 13: some point, frankly, their own hubos really could get the
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Speaker 13: better of them.
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Speaker 1: Now, this is big news.
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Speaker 2: Earlier today, New York Attorney General Letitia James, who was
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Speaker 2: behind so much of the law fare against Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: in New York, has now been referred herself for possible
38:34
Speaker 2: prosecution over allegations of mortgage of fraud.
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Speaker 1: What else can you tell me about this, Josh.
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Speaker 13: Well, this is pretty brand new stuff across the transm
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Speaker 13: But it looks to me like Tiss James listed to
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Speaker 13: the Commonwealth of Virginia, the state of Virginia as her
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Speaker 13: primary residence back when she was applying for a mortgage
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Speaker 13: back in twenty twenty three. The problem is that Tiss
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Speaker 13: James has been the attorney general of New York State
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Speaker 13: for far longer than that there, So I mean square
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Speaker 13: that circle for me. How can you legally get away
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Speaker 13: with calling one state your primary residents try to get
39:08
Speaker 13: a more favorable mortgage interest rate type loan and on
39:12
Speaker 13: the other hand, you're the attorney general of a different
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Speaker 13: state there. But you know, Rita, this is really nothing new.
39:17
Speaker 13: I mean Democrat, Democrat lawmakers, Democrat prosecutors, they played by
39:22
Speaker 13: an entirely different set of rules. I mean Tis James.
39:25
Speaker 13: We all remember her for being front and center of
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Speaker 13: the lawfair, of the Democrat lawfair complex. They sprawling campaign
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Speaker 13: to try to deprive Donald Trump of getting his second
39:33
Speaker 13: term in office.
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Speaker 9: There.
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Speaker 13: I think about Fannie Willis as well. Fannie Willis is
39:36
Speaker 13: in Atlanta, Georgia, Fuldon County, Georgia. Fannie Willis was on
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Speaker 13: the wrong side of the law as well. So many
39:42
Speaker 13: of these Democrat prosecutors Rita, they just flip their hands.
39:45
Speaker 13: They say, you know what, I am the lawyer here,
39:48
Speaker 13: I'm the prosecutor.
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Speaker 6: Screw you.
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Speaker 13: I'm gonna make the rules here.
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Speaker 5: You better come at me there.
39:52
Speaker 13: But you know what, the Trump doj is calling her
39:55
Speaker 13: bluff in this case tis James because she could find
39:57
Speaker 13: herself on the wrong side of the law for good.
39:59
Speaker 13: They'll depend on on which judge they draw there. But
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Speaker 13: I like what I see so far. I like the
40:03
Speaker 13: aggressiveness of the administration and bringing these charges.
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Speaker 2: A bit of irony given the cases she pursued against
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, But there's got to be a reckoning for
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Speaker 2: some of these activist prosecutors. She launched her old campaign
40:22
Speaker 2: on the premise of getting Trump. She wasn't even hiding
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Speaker 2: how she was going to politicize that office.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: She literally ran in twenty eighteen for a trained general
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Speaker 13: of New York State on a platform of I don't
40:37
Speaker 13: like Donald Trump and I am going to get him
40:39
Speaker 13: by any means necessary. There's there's actually kind of a
40:42
Speaker 13: clever legal analogy here. So in the Constitution there is
40:46
Speaker 13: a prescription and there's a ban on what is called
40:48
Speaker 13: a bill of a tainder. A bill of attainder goes
40:51
Speaker 13: back to the old English star chamber in like seventh
40:54
Speaker 13: century England, and a bill of attainder was a king's
40:57
Speaker 13: rits or a parliamentary active legislation that would single out
41:01
Speaker 13: an individual by name, meaning it was not a general provision.
41:04
Speaker 13: It was just singlely a one person for sole exclusive
41:07
Speaker 13: punishment there. So the analogy that I like to draw
41:10
Speaker 13: is that when Tis James ran for office there, she
41:12
Speaker 13: basically ran a bill of a tender political campaign. Now
41:15
Speaker 13: that's not necessarily illegal. I mean, we have a first moment.
41:18
Speaker 13: You can say a lot of crazy stuff on the
41:20
Speaker 13: campaign show. People frankly do it all the time there,
41:22
Speaker 13: but it's morally repulsive. It's morally repulsive there, and it
41:25
Speaker 13: says a lot about her character, frankly or lack thereof.
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Speaker 1: Josh Hammah, thanks so much for your time tonight. Thank
41:32
Speaker 1: you still to come.
41:34
Speaker 2: Labor pledges millions more in Medicaid funding for lgbt QUI
41:39
Speaker 2: A plus plus Australians.
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Speaker 1: Stephanie Bastian joins me in next welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Women's Forum Australia's head of Advocacy,
41:56
Speaker 2: Stephanie Bastian.
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Speaker 1: Steph.
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Speaker 2: First, let's hear from Labor Our MP's Josh Burns, Peter Khalil,
42:02
Speaker 2: Cake Thwites and Jed Karney in this rather bizarre ad
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Speaker 2: where they tackle one of Australia's foremost issues, splurging ten
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Speaker 2: million dollars on training for primary care professionals to better
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Speaker 2: support lgbt QIA plus Australians.
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Speaker 5: Come on, come on, what are you going to do it?
42:22
Speaker 3: Not now, mate, Not now?
42:23
Speaker 5: All right, We got to let you go to your guess.
42:26
Speaker 1: Now we can make the announced a month for me. Sorry,
42:31
Speaker 1: you can actually pinpoint the second when it's hot. Rich
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Speaker 1: in half.
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Speaker 2: Now, a Labor government will invest ten million dollars in making.
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Speaker 10: Medicare stronger for lgb TIQA plus Australians.
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Speaker 1: This is going to make such a big difference for
42:47
Speaker 1: primary healthcare for people.
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Speaker 7: In the quick community.
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Speaker 4: Just builds on all work from our National Action Plan
42:52
Speaker 4: and it's all about supporting the queer community.
42:54
Speaker 6: And we're really proud.
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Speaker 9: Only a labor government will deliver for LGBT i QA plus.
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Speaker 1: People ten million dollars more.
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Speaker 2: Stephanie, who knew enforcing pronouns was so expensive?
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Speaker 6: Oh?
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Speaker 10: Absolutely? But also I'm in this government is as ideological
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Speaker 10: as it is irresponsible. Part of this funding is going
43:15
Speaker 10: towards ensuring that medical professionals are meeting best practice. The
43:21
Speaker 10: voluntary accreditation program. We don't even know what best practice is.
43:25
Speaker 10: There was a very damning judgment out last week. This
43:28
Speaker 10: video was made after, I might add where the judge
43:32
Speaker 10: found that the key witness who helped draft the guidelines
43:36
Speaker 10: of care for transgender diverse adolescents was ideological and an
43:42
Speaker 10: activist rather than an independent witness. There was a little
43:45
Speaker 10: boy who was being medically transitioned, approved of hormones until
43:50
Speaker 10: his dad intervened, without a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. These
43:55
Speaker 10: practices that are going on are not best practice. And
43:58
Speaker 10: the fact that the governments put their head.
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Speaker 5: In the sand.
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Speaker 10: Matt Butler has said that he hasn't read the judgment yet,
44:03
Speaker 10: he hasn't provided any comment, but the fact that they're
44:05
Speaker 10: now spending ten million dollars to invest in best practice
44:10
Speaker 10: shows that they do not care about the LGBTI community
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Speaker 10: at all and are not willing to look at the
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Speaker 10: facts to ensure they are actually receiving the best medical care.
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Speaker 2: And in that case, you mentioned that that poor child
44:23
Speaker 2: has been under the care of a gender clinic since
44:26
Speaker 2: the age of six. Just incredible that it was a
44:31
Speaker 2: devastating judgment and to have the relevant minister not familiarize.
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Speaker 1: Himself with it is not good.
44:39
Speaker 2: Let's turn our attention to the Riley Dennis versus a
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Speaker 2: Kiraly Smith case. As we know, Dennis a transgender soccer player,
44:48
Speaker 2: so that's a biological male who identifies as female and
44:51
Speaker 2: plays with the Flying Bat's, a Sydney women's soccer team
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Speaker 2: which has got five trans players. Riley Dennis is suie
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Speaker 2: being political advocate Curly Smith for alleged vilification. Let's listen
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Speaker 2: to this report from skye us as a senior reporter.
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Speaker 15: Caroline Marcus, the transgender soccer player, is suing Caraly Smith,
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Speaker 15: alleging the political advocate villified her when she tweeted about
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Speaker 15: the top goalscorer in the women's first grade. Miss Dennis
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Speaker 15: says the posts made her feel anxious, very upset, and
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Speaker 15: that there was now a risk to my and my
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Speaker 15: family's safety. Miss Smith refuses to back down.
45:33
Speaker 1: No one can change sex.
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Speaker 5: Men are not women, and no man should be in
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Speaker 5: women's sport.
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Speaker 15: Miss Smith's legal team argues YouTube videos Riley Dennis made
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Speaker 15: about trans issues makes her an activist.
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Speaker 13: Hey, everyone, today, I want to talk about why I,
45:47
Speaker 13: as a queer person, support Muslims.
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Speaker 15: It's all fair game for an activist to be taken
45:52
Speaker 15: head on by my client. I would not describe myself
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Speaker 15: as an activist, Miss Dennis said, some of them what
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Speaker 15: seemed to be a shield waiting for her to leave
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Speaker 15: the court.
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Speaker 1: Do you still feel in fear.
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Speaker 15: For your safety, in your family's safety, Riley.
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Speaker 1: This intimidation and harassment our way.
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Speaker 11: Move out of our way.
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Speaker 1: Harassment, Get out of our way, This intimidation, harassment, Get
46:17
Speaker 1: out of our way. Think pushing us is not intimidation.
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Speaker 6: Get out of that way.
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Speaker 2: Oh, dear MEA decision is expected to be handed down
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Speaker 2: in July, Stephanie, But it's often the case with these actions,
46:30
Speaker 2: the process itself is almost a punishment.
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Speaker 1: What more can you tell me about this case? Well, reader.
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Speaker 10: I actually attended this case with my colleague, colleague Rachel Wong,
46:44
Speaker 10: and to be honest, the one thought that really went
46:47
Speaker 10: through my mind sitting in the courtroom was witch trials.
46:50
Speaker 10: Listening to Curly smith By cross examined by Riley Dennis's
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Speaker 10: lawyers trying to make her advocacy fit into some sort
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Speaker 10: of vilification was really disheartening.
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Speaker 1: And it's you're absolutely correct.
47:02
Speaker 10: The punishment is the process of going through court.
47:05
Speaker 5: There's a lot.
47:06
Speaker 10: Resting on this judgment and I think that if the
47:11
Speaker 10: judge finds against Kurali, there's going to be an avalanche
47:13
Speaker 10: of women speaking at about sex base rights. There are
47:16
Speaker 10: safety risks that she has mentioned, there's fairness, there's a
47:19
Speaker 10: range of issues that really need discussion, and women like
47:23
Speaker 10: kurally A being silenced by the court process.
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Speaker 2: It's just it's infuriating, it is and it's absolutely disheartening
47:31
Speaker 2: to see both sides of politics side with the activist.
47:37
Speaker 1: Class when it comes to this issue. It seems to
47:39
Speaker 1: be in one of.
47:39
Speaker 2: Those eighty twenty issues and the eighty percent of the
47:43
Speaker 2: population is not represented by the mainstream parties.
47:48
Speaker 1: We've seen a shift in that in the UK.
47:52
Speaker 2: We've seen a shift in the US, Scandinavia, but Australia,
47:56
Speaker 2: Stephanie seems to be just trapped in some backward notion
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Speaker 2: that anybody who challenges this activist movement has to be punished.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 10: I mean there was even heartening news across the ditch
48:12
Speaker 10: in New Zealand where the healthcare system is now going
48:15
Speaker 10: to refer to women as biological women. That's a government mandate.
48:20
Speaker 10: It's really really frustrating that the current neither party have
48:24
Speaker 10: come to the table on this. I guarantee there are
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Speaker 10: women and families and girls in every suburb across the
48:30
Speaker 10: country who would really like a resolution on this and
48:33
Speaker 10: to have their sex based rights reinstated.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it is this time we've had some courage from
48:42
Speaker 2: our politicians to take a stand for women.
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Speaker 1: This is a woman's rights issue.
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Speaker 2: It's clear there's not much doubt about who's losing out
48:53
Speaker 2: with this trans movement and the excesses of that movement
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Speaker 2: and what it's demanding. Sephanie Bastian, thank you so much
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Speaker 2: for your time tonight, and that's it from me.
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Speaker 1: I'll see you at eleven tomorrow night. Up next, it's
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Speaker 1: Newsnight