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Ep. 129 - Red Carpet Recovery: The Pros and Cons of Sobriety Under the Bright Lights. · Trudge Report

• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to another episode of Trudge Report.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is a recovery-based podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: My name is Sean, and I am your host.
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• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: Gentlemen, good evening.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, the chat is already starting.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Corey is uh Corey is uh starting stuff and Janine is not helping.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, this is the the chat box of a of a virtual podcast.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: We laugh.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: We probably get a lot more views if we just posted the chat.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I was well.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna say we laugh, and no one else knows what we're talking about.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's fantastic.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, gentlemen, good evening, Greg.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on over there?
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: How's my favorite ginger?
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_02: Doing all right, man.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, had uh had uh like a almost a whole week to myself, and I I really didn't even know what to do with myself because uh Lauren and Peyton were out of town.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I uh um had nothing going on, man.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: Work helping out uh helping out with her dad's house, and that's about about it.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: Where'd they go?
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: Texas.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: They went down there to uh visit her friends, so I uh they they they went they did a whole bunch of stuff.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh visiting Ted Cruz perhaps, yeah.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: They uh um went to medieval times down there, I guess, which was uh like a ton of fun and went to a Rangers game.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_02: Went to the rodeo in typical Texas fashion.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_02: So and I did none of that because I had to work like a man.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: So what are you what are you doing to her dad's house?
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we're getting getting ready to put it on the market, or they are, so I've I've just been helping do whatever I can.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um this last weekend was like ten hours of mulching and yeah, landscaping and getting all that ready because they were having a showing.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: So that sounds terrible.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: But hey, but good for you.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: Good good for you doing service.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, good stuff.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: How's the wedding planning coming?
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's good, man.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: We got it, we got a decent amount of our our vendors booked.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, start looking at at uh tuxes here real soon.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_02: Very good.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_05: Danny P, what's up, buddy?
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, not much, man.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_05: We're just getting back from uh vacation.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_05: I think we're away for like nine days.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_05: So first day back on a Monday, you know, you know how that is, man.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_05: It's like the the worst Monday ever in the history of man when you when you first get back.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_05: But uh we had a great time.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Maya caught our first fish.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_05: So that was pretty pretty awesome.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_05: We went camping, went on the water, played a bunch of sports.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_05: My son's getting freaking ripped, man.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_05: He's been doing 6 30 a.m.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_05: voluntary uh football practices every morning since school ended, his first year in high school for uh freshman football.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_05: He's gonna be on the uh JV team, probably starting corner and backup wide receiver, and he's uh pretty pretty pumped about that, man.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_05: But uh doing good, man.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_05: I'm super proud of him.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_05: Putting in that voluntary work where you don't have to do it.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_05: He's been doing since December every single voluntary workout, all that stuff.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_05: He's been going to all of it, and uh just pretty proud of him.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_05: The stick to a tiffness to uh do all that was pretty awesome.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_05: Um oh, we had a little uh craziness.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_05: Well, actually, well you could see it on the last pod that I was uh on, man, my face was a little swollen from a tooth infection.
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  SPEAKER_05: So the day before I left for vacation, I got four teeth pulled.
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  SPEAKER_05: Which you guys, as you guys know, that like I mean, I've spent over like ten, twelve thousand dollars working on getting my teeth fixed since I got sober.
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  SPEAKER_05: And but um my dentist is a phenomenal human being, and um he's just like always trying to help me out because I pay out of pocket, I don't have dental insurance or anything like that.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_05: And uh he pulled four teeth for the price of one, so it should have been thirteen hundred dollars and he charged me five hundred bucks.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_05: Nice.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's pretty awesome, man.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_05: And then now that takes care of all the bad stuff, and now he's just gotta do a couple things, and it's like like five more thousand dollars, dude, and then uh I'll be back to original Dan.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_05: And uh it's pretty pretty awesome and pretty amazing because it really means a lot to me.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_05: It's like the one one of the things that you know really bothers me.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_05: So it's pretty but it was crazy, man.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_05: I'll tell you that, because I I actually let the other guys get into it, but let me give me a little tidbit for uh afterwards on the first dentist dentist that I went and saw him in.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_05: It was like the craziest experience of my life of the how awful human being uh this guy was.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_05: It was like it was just wild.
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  SPEAKER_05: But uh, I'll let the other guys get into it.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, we had a good vacation, everything's going good.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_05: Alyssa had to stay back because she's working and she's doing her extra shifts.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_05: Um, Greg, you and Alyssa should have got you guys were all home alone.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: She said uh she said she said for the first day or two it's pretty awesome, but then you know, after that it's pretty Yeah, I mean he's like walk around nude if you want to and all that kind of stuff, but yeah, some of us do that anyways, Greg.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_05: Well yeah, everything's all good, man.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_05: Back on the grind.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_05: Glad to be back here with you, fellas.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: Dental insurance is such a scam, dude.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's pointless.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's you're scam.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: There's no reason to have it.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I do have it, but I'm not happy about it.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, but no, the dent the dental industry is a scam.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like well, that's that's there's no reason that they need to charge thirteen hundred dollars to pull your teeth.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: It takes like two seconds, yep, and doesn't really require that much skill or work.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yep, literally slice and dice, throw some Nova Kane on that bitch.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: That being said, I don't really want like Corey pulling my teeth, but it really doesn't.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like maybe there might be more skill involved than we than we think.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's some dangerous shit.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_05: That's how I do my my my dentist is like he's uh I mean, besides a great dentist, he's a phenomenal human being.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_05: That's great.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he's just a really good guy, and he's really trying to like help me, you know what I mean, because he knows it impacts me a lot, you know what I mean?
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_05: And it's just he's a he's a very it's taking a long time to find a good one, and he's a phenomenal human being.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_05: So if he's uh go ahead, Corey.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_05: Did the perks help the pain or oh no, I just IV'd it.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: IV'd yeah, Delauden.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: Sophia's been going to the orthodontist like last couple years, and finally all her baby teeth fell out, and they said now she needs braces.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sixty seven hundred dollars.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what they want.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, and it's like that's what I mean by it's a scam.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's no effing way that some some weak ass metal rods and some colored rubber bands need to cost that much money.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: It is an absolute scam.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: Little clue.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: I had braces and I didn't know.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I told her you're just you're just gonna have to, you know, live with it, Sophia.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like no, I didn't say that.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, I luckily, luckily for me, because of the industry I work in, I have some programs at my disposal that I can apply to and help get that price knocked down a little bit.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: It won't it won't knock it down a lot or all the way, but I can get a couple thousand dollars knocked off of that.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: But we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna get it for.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_05: Melissa with OSU now, man.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_05: We get so many perks and benefits where that's my eyes coming up for the braces and stuff now, and like all that stuff is taken care of pretty much.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: Good stuff.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: Corey, what's up, buddy?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: How are you?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm good.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Have I told you guys how much I love basketball?
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, you did just the other day.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm a big fan.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's great, man.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm happy for you.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, rub it in Greg's face, why don't you?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm good.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm good.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure you want that show anymore, Greg.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of baggage at that show.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there there is.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, look, at the end of the day, I'm happy for LeBron James.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: Go do your thing.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but uh, yeah, dude, I I don't know.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: There's a version of that team.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: I know everybody's crazy about it and and the way it looks on paper.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, look, that on paper they look great, but there's a version of that team where this does not have a happy ending.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I not only there's their version, I think that's the more likely outcome.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: I do think they could be complete, complete dominant, but they all gotta stay healthy, which is probably not gonna happen.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: LeBron is old.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like he let's let's be honest, he's in great shape and he's still running circles around some guys, but he's not anywhere even remotely near where he was, even three years ago.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: Not defensively at all, really.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: But and that's and that's a team that there's a lot of guys on that team that need to have the ball in their hands a lot in order to be impactful the way they're set up.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm curious, if nothing else, just to see how bad they're gonna go.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: Props, props to Philly, man.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: What are your thoughts, Corey?
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: Who's gonna play the the three, Corey?
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I for those for those, yeah.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: Corey doesn't even know what that means.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: For those who don't know or who don't follow, LeBron James has gone to the Philadelphia 76ers.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: And on paper, they do have a stacked team.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: I had forgotten when the trade first happened, I was like, oh, Embiid, LeBron, Maxie, Edgecombe, Paul George.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's a great team.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh shit, they don't even have Paul George.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: They have uh they have Jalen Brown, who I don't like the guy.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think Jalen Brown's a malcontent, and and stay tuned for that.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's your AJ Brown, Corey.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, he's your AJ Brown.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not kidding you.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's very, very similar.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um have I said that AJ Brown's a piece of shit lately.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yes, you also have.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: So but um, but he's a good ball player though, I'll tell you that much.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be interesting, it'll be fun to watch.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: I saw this I oddly enough though, I I saw some I saw a report earlier that LeBron James is gonna be living in New York City while he's playing in Philly.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's got a private jet.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's not far anyways.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking it's because he's only making four million a year with us that he needs access to the city owned grocery store or something like that.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure that's it.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: What else is going on with you, Corey?
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing I I d I hate Florida, I desperately want to move out of Florida.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I still have my job and figure out how to move.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: How do you move?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: How do you move out of state?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's a hard you know what I mean?
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's a hard thought.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how do you do that?
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_02: You start with a U-Haul, I think.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you start with that.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's my point.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's like some tape.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think you start with a place to go to in the next state.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's the thing.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if it was just me, I would I would just go.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, that's when you get you get online like like the old eBay days, and you just buy sight unseen.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: Just click that buy now tab.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: Put put your ultimate faith.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's the ultimate show of faith, Corey.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: I that's that's a good point.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: I can just trust God and do it.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, I I bought a car on eBay one time.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_02: That that sucker lasted me about three years.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I found my first apartment on Craigslist.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, me too.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: That that apartment was eight hundred and twenty-five dollars a month.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yours was or mine was?
• 12:04
  unknown: Mine.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: Mine was similar.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's because that's because things made sense in fucking 2016, 2017, whatever.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: Is this the portion of the show where you bitch about gas prices too?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, they're going up too.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're going up.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: I tried to enlist in the army this week, and they still don't fucking want me.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: So did you really?
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, not I I texted a recruiter.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's like the biggest, that's like the biggest game of blue balls, Corey's gonna play.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's the equivalent to some girl given given one of us a complete total runaround.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was I was genuinely curious as to whether they accepted felonies.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: So would you take a guy, would you take a guy who's how old are you now?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: 30?
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they'll take me up to 43.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's just felonies, and I gotta lose 50 pounds, but you know, other than that, we're good.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_02: But um well, I would hate to see you go.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_02: When do I get my gun?
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's my fucking gun.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: Sign me up.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: Do I get to get it now from you, or do I have to wait a little while?
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: How does that work?
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: I asked the recruiter that.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um I bring my own gun.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean next thing you know, he's on a terrorist watch list.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you know what has gone down though?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: The price of eggs.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: Who the fuck cares about eggs?
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Who pays attention to that when people say that?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_05: Eggs are cheap, dude.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_05: When people say that, I'm like, who like it's eggs, man?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_05: You really pay attention to the price of eggs?
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because milkshare's hell ain't gone down.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, there was a point about a year ago where like eggs were like four and five dollars a dozen.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: But it was like three weeks.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was a while.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: There was a little bit of a while.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_05: Have you ever shaken your head and not butt bought them though?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh okay, time out.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: I have kind of.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: I have I have bought a half a dozen instead of a full dozen because of how a dozen?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: Six they were they literally they legitimately just cut it in half.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: There's this there's a carton of six, yeah.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: There's a there's there's one small tiny section of the egg carton aisle.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: They have all the dozens in the 18 behind the big boxes of all the brands, and they have one little section where there's like four half dozen cartons, and yeah, they may have just cut the thing in half and then like fucking glued it together.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder something funny about it.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: But my point is a dozen eggs are now under$2 again.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's progress.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, great.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Here's the thing.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: So back whenever it was whatever,$24 a dozen, whatever you just said.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, dude, this would have been crazy.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because the other day I'm working, right?
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: And Gabby had, I think she was meeting a client.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, she took Lucy to ballet.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: All I had was Noah at the house, and it was quiet in this house for way too long.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: And that always doing something.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I call out to him, I go, Noah, where are you?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, I'm in the kitchen, whatever.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what are you doing?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, Nothing.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then I let it go like a dumbass, and I continued working.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: A couple minutes later, he walks in and he goes, He goes, I want eggs.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I'm not making eggs right now.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, Well, I I took out the eggs and I said, Well, I'm not making them.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: So he goes, Well, I put them in a bowl.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I said, You didn't crack them, right?
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, No.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Noah, you didn't crack them, right?
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, Yeah.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so he fucking cracked three eggs into a bowl, and I had to, I'm like, dude, I'm not making eggs.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I will I go out there, I dump it, I'm not paying attention, whatever.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then later on in the car, he's telling we're talking about this, and he tells me, Well, I put milk in it too.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: So he did he like he made scrambled eggs aside from turning on the stove, which I'm glad he didn't get there.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: But Sean, to your point, if eggs were fifty dollars a carton, I'd be real pissed.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: See?
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: But they're not, they're two dollars.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you know what else?
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, you know what else is cheap.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: So you dump them on the lawn.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know what else is cheap these days, Corey?
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Freedom.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that could have went so many ways.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_05: That could have went so many different ways.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Freedom's not free, and that which is why I wanted to sign up and they don't fucking obviously they're not that fucking desperate for people, I guess.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like you like a complimentary canteen, anyways, for for the initiative or what?
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think they laughed at me.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: A pin, a pin for your shirt.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, a nice lapel pin.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know what it is?
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know what's bullshit?
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna talk about this episode.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: What's bullshit is it's not even the possession of a controlled substance that that disqualifies me.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's the fucking possession with intent to distribute charge that disqualifies me.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: And let me tell you something.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I kind of understand that.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean that makes sense.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, you should allow me to explain.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, not you, the army.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh should allow me to explain that just because I was in the vicinity of somebody selling us a box in does not make me fucking guilty.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I just took the plea because I was sober and I was all like, oh, I'm making amends to society, and my mentor was like, oh, you're making amends to society.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: I shouldn't have listened to my mentor.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: I should have said, fuck you, I should fight this.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm just kidding.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: But um that is true though.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: That is like, dude, that's such a bullshit charge, and I I should I maybe I should have fought it a little further.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: But that that's the one that disqualifies me.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: I know I didn't know.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know what that recruiter's gonna say to you, Corey?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Water seeks its own level, so and shouldn't have been hanging out with them folk.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean, I know I know quite a few people that got locked up and did real real time or conspiracy to sell because they were on the block.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: I also once I also once got a charge that you just said conspiracy made me think of it.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: It was uh loitering with intent to use or obtain drugs, which basically amounts to thinking about using drugs.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking ridiculous.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you could pretty much go, you know what I mean if they wanted to, you know, there's a dude within three houses that's the hey, that's what you get when you live in a democratic socialist uh state there, Corey.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, this guy, and then so we mentioned last week, we mentioned last week on the podcast that Greg and I have a trip coming up, whatever.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: So we're going up to uh Philly, and and Kyle Kyle goes, I want to see Kensington.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just like, okay.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna be four white dudes in a fucking minivan rolling down Kensington Avenue.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know why you rented the minivan of all things.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: What color minivan driving up?
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see when we get there.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's white, probably.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say that's you don't want white.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: You're getting you can get away with like a dark gray or dark blue minivan, you know, but yeah.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're gonna be four white dudes rolling down Kensington Ave.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: Nice wood paneling on the side of that sucker.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: Little uh little station wagon vibes.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: So if triggers are real, consider me and Greg not here that week on the pod.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna miss the pod.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: When's the trip?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody really even knows.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: We have no I don't know how Greg's getting there.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody knows how Greg's getting there.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's gonna tell us.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Are you?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: We don't I need your itinerary because I gotta pick you up.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: Then we go to Kensington, we get high.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: We were with uh we were with uh mixed company yesterday.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: And uh band meaning people that are not generally in recovery and don't necessarily get our humor all the time.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was uh I didn't know that had a title.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was something for the chat to be honest.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're you know, we're swingers now, Catherine and I know.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm kidding.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's also not where I went.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Just kidding, my mom and mother-in-law, and anyone else family, just kidding.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we were in some mixed company and we uh we were um lighting a birthday candle for someone, and and Catherine goes, Oh, I have I found your sage lighter, Sean.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: I have a lighter in the garage that's like a it's got a long stem on it I use for sage, and I go, Oh no, that's for crack.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: And like the mixed company was like, I was like, I'm just kidding.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just kidding.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: So God.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: We had a nice birthday dinner last night.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: We celebrated mine and Sophia's birthday with some family and some close friends.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: And is yours today?
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, mine's on Wednesday, and Sophia's a real birthday is tomorrow, but we celebrated like with her brother and and and his wife, and you know, a couple of Sophia's friends from the neighborhood that are in her they go to school together and stuff, but that's who it was.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: It was like the mom of one of the the girls that like we know, but we don't know that well.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh, that's for my crack, and she was just like, Oh but so you should have been like, you know, in uh in a lot of the settings I'm in, it's that's a funny joke.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a that's a pretty good one, usually.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: She's gonna be like, You can't, Dahlia, you can't hang out with Sophia anymore.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: She can come over here, but you can't go over there.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Her dad does crack.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: That would be a good topic for a future episode.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um crack.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, yeah.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: Lots of experience.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: And we're not gonna do it tonight because we already kind of have one, but as parents, as our children all get older, how are we gonna deal with like our kids' friends' parents that may or may not be alcoholic or something like that?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how does that work?
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: So so Sophia has a friend and the dad.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: May or may not be alcoholic.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just put it that way.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard things, I've heard rumblings.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I I truly like I like the guy.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's fine.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: I get along with him.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: But I've heard rumblings and from other people.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if it's just gossip or whatever, but it's kind of like, you know, like, I don't know.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: Do I let my kid over there?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I I don't know.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: So interesting thing to think about that I don't think any of us have really had to think about yet.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, maybe Dan, you have with your kid but your boy being a little older, but that's that's that's something that I hadn't thought about until yesterday when somebody brought it to my attention.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh yeah, I guess we are kind of entering that phase, you know.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_05: Child sports too, bro.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the rippers.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, all right.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Tonight, we're gonna take a little bit different tact tonight and have a little bit of hopefully some fun with this episode.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: We want to talk about famous people in recovery.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: We will totally name drop some of them because they're out in the open, it's not a secret.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and um pitfalls of being famous and getting sober, the benefits of being famous and getting sober.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: So let's go real quick.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Who's the number one famous person that you think of when you think of recovery, sobriety, out in the open in the public?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Who's like who comes to your mind right away?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm just gonna say Nick, I'm just gonna say Nikki Six because yeah.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: Nikki Six because that's one book that I actually read was The Heroine Diaries.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Dan, what about you?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Who comes to your mind?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Bradley Cooper.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I like that one.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Gregory?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say probably either uh like Anthony Hopkins or Josh Brolin, Tom Hardy, maybe.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: I would I would probably go Robert Downey Jr.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I know we we all talked about MM, Elton John would be one, you know.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I did a little I did a little bit of a deep dive, and just like the here's some um actors and filmmakers.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Robert Downey Jr.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: Jamie Lee Curtis, your girl, Corey, Bradley Cooper, Dan, Drew Barrymore, which I didn't know that, which it looks like hers was a childhood substance abuse after early fame, and then she's maintained long sobriety, which is pretty cool.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Samuel L.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Jackson, I did not think that anything phased that man, you know.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, entered rehab in the early 90s, right?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: According to this, continue to be sober.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Rob Lowe, which I did know that, he's been pretty, pretty open.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Colin Farrell, which I did know that one as well.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um Musicians MM.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: We all know that one.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: Focks.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not really sure he's is he in recovery though?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: He yes, he's just he's yeah, he's so what did you say?
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Dan's Dan needs to go to the chat.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, is he making fun of him?
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sir Elton John, which again we we touched on that.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: Who I believe is actually well known as uh Eminem's mentor.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's I've heard that too, or at least someone integral in his life getting sober, yeah.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: Which is so wild.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Keith Urban.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't know that one.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Keith Urban.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think you can pretty much put every country star on there as either is in recovery or should be.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Demi Lovato.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard that one.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: He sucks.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: That I don't disagree with.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, ten points for the winner of this one.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Ben Haggerty.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Who is Ben Haggerty also known as?
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: He's a musician.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know this.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's a rapper.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: Might be a white rapper.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: I honestly don't know if it's white.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_05: That's his name?
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Ben Haggerty.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it says here.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: That explains why he went.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's that's a good choice.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: You can't be a rapper named Ben Haggerty.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, BH drop him a little B a little B Hag.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's called himself B Hag.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's wild.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: I never knew that.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Athletes and public figures.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Phelps, which I don't this one says entered inpatient treatment in 2014 to address alcohol and mental health.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, was that because he didn't just though?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_05: Because he got caught?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: I thought he just got caught smoking weed.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: But I also do know I've seen him on those commercials about mental health, so not j not, you know, that's not for me to, but I just didn't know that one.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_05: I used to love cracking up when people said I'm here because I smoke weed.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's what Corey's here for.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Danny Trejo, the actor, which I knew that.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's pretty cool.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's been he's been out.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: I've listened to one of his speaker tapes, actually.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love him.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Stephen King.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Did not know that one.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: Did not know that one.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know who that is, Corey?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: Stephen King.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know who Stephen King is?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Do you read books, Corey?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Not really.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: The prolific author underwent an intervention by his family in 1987.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um so that's just some.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: And there's there's plenty more.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I remember Josh Hamilton.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: If you guys remember him, he was uh a baseball guy.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: He played he played for the Rangers, actually, is when all this really came out.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: He bounced around to a couple teams, but he was like the next big prospect.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: And he he got got in some trouble and and came out that he was in recovery.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: And he kind of like, you know, some as as we all know, like some 12 12-step recovery programs, they are big on like anonymity, personal anonymity.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: And obviously, when you're famous, that can be an issue.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I I know Josh Hamilton, I remember he came out, you know, came out of the closet, the recovery closet, and um kind of announced to the world and broke his anonymity.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then like a few years later, he relapsed and you know, is a big thing.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess that leads into the next segue of like, what would you guys think are some pitfalls of being famous and either trying to get sober, being sober, or um like e even if you're not in one of these programs that is asking for anonymity, there's probably still a pretty good idea to be somewhat anonymous or at least try to, but I guess you know it's it can be kind of tough.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: What do you what do you think, Greg?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: What are some of the the pitfalls that maybe they face that we don't, but or some of the same things that we face that maybe are exemplified by their their status?
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think um, you know, something that we don't all often have to deal with in our own personal lives that they do is is just that the fact that the spotlights on them 24-7.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: I can't imagine what that would be like, like have to be chased down the street while I'm just trying to, you know, run out the Home Depot or something like that.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: So um, yeah, the spotlight constantly on them.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, obviously, for those in certain um positions, whether that be like actors or pop stars or athletes or whatever, you've got the the PR people all telling you what you can do, can't do, what's a good image, what's a bad image, like you know, all this kind of stuff, like people basically running your lives for you.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I would imagine that the the stress and the pressure of all that is is uh the enormity of it is probably a little bit tough to deal with.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not you know sitting here like trying to create a woe is me case for celebrities.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean they live a pretty good life too, but I think that there's a lot of stuff that goes on behind all the glitz and the glamour that that most of us don't get to see.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um and yeah, and like you know, you kind of brought it up with like Drew Barrymore, but how how often have we heard it?
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: Same thing with Robert Downey Jr.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: really.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: Robert Downey Jr.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: and Rob Lowe both were like teen actors who who you know, and um so falling into that that kind of like trap of like being exposed to the Hollywood lifestyle, the constant party, the glamorization of uh the drugs and alcohol in that party scene, and just kind of uh falling into that and and losing yourself early on in your life and not being able to s climb back from it for quite some time.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think we can all kind of relate to that a little bit, or at least the feelings of it.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um for sure.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: So um I think those those things for sure, and I would say, you know, um the fact that you have all all eyes on you at at all times too is is um it can be a uh a negative thing as well because people do follow you, you know, and and people look up to you all over the world, and so like I I always kind of hearken back to wasn't it like wasn't it Demi Lovato that kind of coined the I don't know if she coined the term or like California Sober the champion the whole California sober thing and and if you um listen to anything she's saying now is like she's like going back on all that she's like yeah I tried it and it didn't work you know listen up people you know she's like I played around with it for long enough and it didn't work and it led me back down to some pretty dark serious places so a very a very wise man in some of our literature once said the only relief we have to suggest is entire abstinence.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I believe that today more than anything, Corey.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: What um what are some of the like main reasons why famous people shouldn't blow their anonymity, whether or not they're in like a 12-step anonymity program or just in general, what's some of the stuff that can come along with that?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, the good maybe if there is if is there anything good that can come from that by breaking their anonymity and outing themselves, or does it come with more baggage, you think?
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: I actually this might be this might be a hot take to myself, to be honest.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think you're not as famous as you thought you were?
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: I I am I'm well known.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um in PSL maybe.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: I give a lot of good talks in the area.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: But no, I so I would say this, like, yeah, if if you're in a 12-step program that uh um suggests anonymity of being in that 12-step program, there's a reason for it, like you said, like you especially if you're famous, you can easily become the face of that program uh to many people, you know.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: And when you stop doing whatever you need to do to stay sober and you relapse, it kind of paints a bad picture for that particular program because those you know, those people that look up to you and all that don't realize that maybe you just fell out of the program.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's like, you know, I don't know that.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: So but on the other hand, I do think though, however, I think I'm in favor of well-known people being open about their sobriety in general.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think that's a good thing.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's but like I guess I'd have to get specific though, and like like when Demi Lovato did the California sober thing, I thought that was dumb as shit, because it's not gonna work for most true blue drug addicts, you know what I mean?
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're playing with fire.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess I do have to say, like, if you're actually sober, but like actually like chemical dependent free, like but I do think it's good because there was a point where I was a 13, 14-year-old, 15-year-old getting into drugs and stuff, and to a to a degree I idolized people, like I like I mentioned, like Nikki Six and Eddie Van Halen and stuff like that, and I thought the party life looked very enticing.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: And the problem that happened to me is that like drug addiction happened way faster than anything glamorous happened.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: And um that's the reality of that.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like most people like I'm convinced that Motley Crue got famous and rich like in the nick of time.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because then then they were like a train that you couldn't stop and drug addiction couldn't even fully derail.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: They they were just so successful.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: I also want to add to this whole t conversation like dude, how the fuck do people like this?
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's answers obviously, but like it's kind of mind-blowing how people get sober with a shit ton of money in the bank.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like when when you are Nikki Six and you're making any hand over fist, like it like you hear it a lot in the rooms, like, oh, if I had another twenty dollars, I might not be here.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's totally true for me.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's totally true.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, thank god, like I was desperate and beaten up enough, but man, if there was a way to keep going in that in those couple days there, I I don't know, man.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: So but that's part of being desperate and beaten down enough, is that we didn't have any more money.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and there was no one willing to give us more money.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Also, last thing, just to throw a couple more names out there, John Stamos is sober, along with uh Jody Sweeten, who was Uncle Jesse, dude?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uncle Jesse's sober, and so is Stephanie from Fool House, Jody Sweeten.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: And Josh Peck from Drake and Josh is sober, and I believe Drake Bell is also sober.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of people.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Drake the rapper?
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: No, Drake Bell from Drake and Josh.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't they get wrapped up?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Not to derail this, didn't they get wrapped up?
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't there something that came out where they were getting like abused as like children?
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: He was Drake Bell was.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Was that the skinny one?
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't like the fat one, huh?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you were so insensitive.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Telling you, that's but that's kind of like, you know, now he feels even worse now.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: He can't get no love.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, Gene, timestamp this.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: Sean's gonna get us fucking canceled.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: Danny P, what are what are some things that you think um some pitfalls to being famous and in sobriety, and some benefits too?
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean, uh pitfalls is obviously just uh the non-stop commotion around you.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_05: And also like uh we we were very, very lucky to find our group and our niche of people that genuinely cared equally all around us.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_05: I I think a huge pitfall for uh celebrities or athletes or whatever is the crowd that's around them does not always want the best for them.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I think that's huge, you know, a product of your environment.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_05: Because there's, you know, even family, man, even like family support, like we have family support and stuff now that we've done these things and whatever and all that jazz.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_05: Like, even that, you know, when you involve that kind of money and that distributing through other people's lives and stuff, there's going to be selfish intentions that people are not gonna genuinely care about you.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I really think that's like uh, you know, because all the other pitfalls like that you guys just talked about, we all know, you know what I mean?
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_05: People constantly following you, your life is constantly in, you know, what what you're doing and all this stuff, like that's you know, the obvious pitfall uh uh of being famous.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_05: You know, but um the benefit is like um what Corey was just saying, like to me is that like you know, to me it's it's a choice, like breaking your ni anonymity and all that stuff.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_05: Like you can talk about your sobriety and help people all day long, you know.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_05: Be truly sober, be exactly what you say you are doing, you know, and set the example that everyone we had this discussion on the podcast of using your platform for your whatever, right?
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_05: So if you're gonna use your platform for politics, this it should all be in the same foot.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_05: You know, that's what you do, that's how you walk, that's what you're actually speaking of.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_05: You know, and I I I I do feel like now we're gearing towards the problem of it being a fad of people getting sober, it's like a cool thing, you know, and there's people that like do it for a little bit and they say all these things to try and like, you know what I mean, build themselves up, you know.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_05: So that's something to be wary of.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_05: But I just I'm always a proponent of, you know what I mean, you could save someone's life, man.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_05: Like we saw risk management and all that stuff, like you know, someone that's uh very popular and very, you know, uh an athlete or something like that that gets sober and stuff, just implanting that little idea, even if they fall through down the road and stuff like that, could save someone's life, and I'm always for that, you know.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_05: But I feel like also when they break their anonymity, I can't say the word, man.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_05: It's real bad.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_05: But uh, when they do that, man, it's a choice.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_05: You're making that choice to do that, you know.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_05: Like you don't you you can speak very openly and not do that, you know, very and you can help people still on the same foot.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_05: So I feel like that's you know something that should be, you know, like that's to me, that's you know, a hard no, a hard no on anyone that does that in any way, shape, or form.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think too, like one of the big things is if you are public like that and famous and you break your anonymity and you get up there and you whatever, and then you do relapse, um, it gives people the impression that like, oh, see, it doesn't work, you know what I mean, or or something like that.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that that can be really dangerous for people, you know.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: We like Corey just said, you know, we're we're impressionable, especially at early ages, um, when we're dealing with our idols and our and our these famous people that we're we're extreme fans of.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think too, one of the other things, and you Dan, you kind of touched on it, like people don't always want what's best for us, but just getting honest critical feedback from people.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like I take um, oh god, Chandler Bing.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: I can't think of his name.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: Matthew Perry.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: Matthew Perry, thank you.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there was remember we read we talked about that on the pod.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: Danny, I think this was before you were with us full time, but um, there was there was reports that like his his aides or his assistants or whatever were just like running these errands for him and like shooing things under the rug and trying to keep up appearances, and there was probably no one in his ear.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think, Greg, you might have even made this point.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: Was there someone in his ear saying, Matthew, you gotta stop, dude.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta slow down.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the other side of that is we know, being real alcoholics and drug addicts ourselves, that that's what we would call frothy emotional appeal.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it seldom works, right?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: It seldom suffices somebody, somebody close to us saying, Corey, you gotta stop, man.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: You're killing yourself, you're worrying, your parents' sick, your your job, you're this, you're that, your health.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's kind of sounds good in the moment, but it's quickly out of our mind.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: But but still, like it does say that frothy emotional appeal seldom suffices.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, maybe sometimes it can.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I would imagine when you're famous, you have less and less of that um from the people around you, you know, family, friends, assistants, and stuff like that.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think that would be a big thing.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I think Matthew Perry's aide got charged, didn't he?
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: Did he get charged?
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: His aide?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: I I I know that one of the doctors did, if I remember correctly, too, right?
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: Or is that Michael Jackson?
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: Michael Jackson's doctor went to jail.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, I think there was a report.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: I I I think that's accurate, Corey.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like one of the assistants or one of his workers um got charged, and then one of the doctors as well.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: But I think too, America and just society in general, yeah.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: We love a comeback story, right?
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: So, like when there is, you know, and it's it's maybe more prevalent in sports, like, you know, I mean, maybe Tiger Woods isn't the best example because he's been in the news recently and he's probably not coming back from a winning step, but like when he won the 2019 Masters, right?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: That was after that other DUI had, and that, you know, there was a lot of stuff.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, in sports, winning kind of solves everything, right?
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: You can be, you know, kind of a not a great dude or have all this checkered pass, but if you start winning again, America at least will forgive most all.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's like that in other countries, but just in other facets, actors, musicians, like I mean, take Eminem, for example, right?
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't claim to know a whole lot about him, but I obviously I know some.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um his career took had a a major resurgence, if I'm not mistaken, like once he got sober, right?
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's just just always iconic, I think.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: What's that?
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: It I don't know.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like you guys, see, I was I was I was little guys, but uh I don't know.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: He just seems to like stay iconic.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like he just like got famous and just became iconic, even though I said he was a dickhead or whatever.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_02: Downey Jr.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: too.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, like his cause Robert Downey Jr.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Cause like he he basically got like kind of blacklisted there for a little bit from Hollywood, and then he was he was doing a ton of little indie movies, and then he got Iron Man.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then that's he was fantastic in that role, yeah.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of course he was.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_05: And that's the dudes that like that's why I like Black Bradley Cooper, man.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_05: Because they say, like, you know, it changes their whole sight lines on their life and their their path and everything, and they dive into it and they He's the man too.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_05: That's it, they yeah, and they just like you know what I mean, they they they just do it, like, yeah, they're open and stuff, but they're not overly open, you know what I mean?
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I I I don't care about it's not like you know what I mean on TMZ all this stuff and they're out and da da da and all this crap, you know, like it's just and they they implant it into their life.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: You can definitely tell sometimes that people some people are more genuine or like or for instance, like I just like the guys who you can like visibly tell are kind of walking the same walk we do like staying sober by way of helping others and things like that.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: Steve I was gonna bring I was gonna bring him up.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: I met him in 2012.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah at a recovery conference and I played hacky sack with him of all things.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: And like I'm gonna throw shade but you know compare that compare him and his story to Brandon Novak comes from similar beginnings, right?
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: But Brandon Novak he was another jackass guy and you know uh Viva Labam guy and whatever and uh Skater.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: But he fucking he's a big treatment guy now and and it's all about uh yeah I we saw that too but um it's all about getting people into treatment and he puts his fucking phone number up to get people into treatment whatever.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean he actually has a center in like the town over from where I'm from so I think he's got he's got uh sober living in Delaware too.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah well in Pennsville.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think it started in Delaware and he he's got one in Pennsylvania in old penis grove close pens did I say Penn Grove or Pennsville Pennsyl okay yeah Penn Penn's yeah it's it's it's a cocks throw to it you know it's not very far at all yeah but yeah but anyway I'm what I'm saying is you can definitely tell they industry they industrialize their sobriety right it becomes this treatment industry thing rather than like and and I think you guys brought up a good point too Corey and Danny both touched on it but like and and I'm not all for like I'm I'm all for if anybody out there like wants to try to stay sober not drink you know whatever the uh whatever it is sober October whatever you know all that shit look I say I say that and it it's like you know in jest but but for real if you want to try it for yourself and more power to you but I think that the lines get blurred doing that sometimes and I think that you know um people people either are often ignorant to the fact or at least forget it that like for some of us this is a life and death game.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah you know not not a not a hashtag trend you know for for Instagram you know and so and so many that's like you a lot what you see you know whether it's like no drink November like you were just talking about and stuff like that it really emphasizes the point that all you have to do is stop drinking right stop smoking weed or stop dropping up and and that that's the real dangerous point to me is that it just emphasizes stop doing the substance which we all know was never the point I read that Stone Cold Steve Austin was sober and he's not by the way like oh what is he smashing together NA's he's got NA's I'm like listen here TMZ the Texas rattlesnake drinks fucking beer okay that's what he does.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah don't ruin my life but he did but he did stop drinking for a short period of time or whatever just to shed a few pounds.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_05: He was just like getting into a different health kick or whatever which is what like normal people do right they like oh I'm okay I'm not gonna drink for a little while so I can get healthy my cousin did it he was on like he was gonna do it for like 30 days he's like my he's like 40 something and he's a DJ and he did it for like 30 days and he's like six years without drinking now and he's in cr incredible shape and all that stuff and it's like the few that's awesome man.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_05: You know what I mean?
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's a phenomenal yeah I I think that's part of my issue with you know I with like I don't want to say issue and I want to be careful here but like like jelly roll jelly roll was mentioned in the chat earlier.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I know he's outspoken about hey this because he smokes weed I guess or whatever he's California sober or drinks or something but just doesn't do hard drugs whatever it is and I'm I'm truly not throwing shade on him I mean maybe kind of but and I know he's outspoken with that about like hey this may not be the path for everyone this is my path like I'm not completely sober.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: I do this so I do I do appreciate that but no matter what because of his platform and who he is people are going to think that they can do that too.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: And to our earlier point about all that okay so that's a and that's an interesting yeah you just can't use the word sober man.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_00: You can't when you do that you can't I agree with that like call like sober is sober.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: Call it something don't fuck call anything just call it I don't shoot heroin say I don't do heroin anymore.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: But stickers Yeah but um what okay you just derailed me but when it comes to famous people there's there's a certain amount of like well what what do you want them to do because right because society has a million different angles of where they want one person to go.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: And what you know what I mean and so I I've defended jelly roll on that because that's a good point.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: You only have to listen to him for about three minutes to know the whole story.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you're just gonna read the headline that jelly rolls sober like that's on you.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: Don't read headlines okay read in the shit if you're interested in it.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: In the dude's defense because uh as you guys know from uh several shows back when I did a little review I I was I was not too kind to Jelly Roll's performance but uh you know when he was up there dude because some some guy had a sign in the crowd like I'm you know 10,000 days sober today or something like that and Jelly Roll like shouted him out and he was like that's awesome but like in between the songs to to his credit he fully admitted he's like listen I I used to struggle with a lot of stuff I still kind of do I still do smoke weed I still do take some shots when I go to a party and I struggle with that a lot but you know I don't I like and he like used that guy as an example but he's like but that guy's the real deal you know and it so it to respect yeah yeah absolutely I don't know what what else I would have him do.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: No you're you're right you're right he's an authentic version of himself however him and his fucking marriage is another story but well that didn't they didn't they fake their divorce or something uh no I I heard that they faked the divorce like it's not they're not really divorced.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well this is the thing about hearing things I don't know that's true that's true I just don't think he's that talented of a musician apparently not and I kind of I can kinda understand that from videos I've seen he's not or let me say this I can actually I shouldn't I don't know I don't know music like that.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: All his stuff sounds the same to me.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's like the biggest thing that was my criticism of Noah Khan like it all sounds very very similar and I don't love that.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna piss me off all right so um what else are we talking about?
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right so here alright let's I want to wrap this up with this question.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: Have you guys ever met anyone and obviously we won't we won't you know divulge who they are but uh I mean unless you want to oh um have you guys met anyone famous in recovery sean mcdonald no yeah don't put that don't put that shit out there I guess not enough um I don't think Dan so I I didn't I didn't meet we didn't meet well maybe you did Dan we we ended up in a meeting yes at the basketball play I know who you're talking about I was around yep I didn't know who the fuck he was yes yes Greg um so something right so around that time I met and I've shared some of this with you guys I actually mentored a uh ex-professional baseball player and uh it was fascinating man because I love baseball and and just I mean just some wild I'm sure it's like that with all professional sports but just some wild wild stories I can imagine dude living that life but um you know the cool part is some of the recovery work we did I still have it he wanted me to hold on to it after we were done with it he didn't want it like just lying around the house and stuff and as well did he pen it did he pen it up and he still had to sign it did he sign it no I didn't have to sign it but I still have it but it was it was interesting and blackmail him well it really was a cool thing of like God he really is just a sick and suffering alcoholic you know like really and truly he he suffered from major anxiety um his career kind of everything we talked about his career was in the absolute dumps now he he did go back to playing baseball but he never had a resurgence in his playing career he bounced around to a few teams but then he became like a consultant and he he worked with like a few teams and became really successful at that he was almost like a a peer specialist like because he was still younger and he could relate to a lot of the guys so he kind of like a peer mentor almost kind of thing and he became really successful he had a wife and a one kid at the time he's got two now and um I still keep in touch with him every so often um I think he's actually still in Florida on the west coast of Florida but very cool experience for me because I could see in real time my fandom of the game and like realizing that he is just like he's got like he had no idea what what we were doing in the recovery process.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was like a complete fish out of the water and I got to take him through that and that was that was pretty special.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_05: Dude who was who was the who's the Boston Celtics guy uh Chris I Chris Chris Heron I did I I didn't I don't think I met him but I was at an in some sort of dinner I was at some sort of dinner yeah that he spoke at and my my girlfriend at the time we were in high school she brought me there and when we left she I was like actively getting high and when we left she looked at me and she said so did you learn anything and I was like up to you dude uh I always found his stuff captivating dude just the the the stories of literally at at uh halftime or whatever like before they running out of the freaking Boston garden to pick up bro and come back into the locker room his ESPN stuff like and he goes and talks to high schools and all that stuff like that I thought that was pretty cool man that's cool that stuff I I love that stuff because that's what it gets mixed up man when you're young athletes you know before they get the money you know to have somebody in that come in there like that whatever they stand you know I mean wherever they're at in their you know what they do in their sobriety but just having that like you know what I mean so raise awareness about it especially kids you know to kids I think I think that's a very big deal especially nowadays.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_00: So Corey in closing how have you dealt with your fame and notoriety and being sober you know I was just thinking that if I mentored somebody like that was a rock star, especially if I knew who they were like I can just see myself like sitting down in artesian with the guy and just being like hey uh so what you were doing is actually better than this we should go on tour I'll go with you I'll get the drugs for you by not living my dream sounds like a great idea Corey I'm just kidding sounds like a great idea you know but uh on the note listen I'm gonna close with this this is a whole nother topic I'm gonna close with this though on the note of famous people man I'm I'm I'm I'm tired of hearing famous people bitch about being famous though.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: You guys ever see this shit?
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: I I I'm gonna call them out because I'm sure they watch the podcast but my favorite people the Kelsey's Jason and Kylie Kelsey man they are two people that can bitch about I I mean I get it like you know people follow them everywhere and all the shit but like oh my god it's just oh somebody was recording me and whatever fuck you give give back the money then give back the money give it back now here's the thing you don't have to talk about it though either that's probably bringing more attention to yourself when you're bitching about it publicly oh it's like oh I it's so hard to go anywhere to do anything it's so hard to be low key it's so hard to this so hard to that but here's my latest podcast and you know it's like dude you let me that's your life man like shut up I don't know yeah I know I don't handle fame well either I guess I I have a book of coping mechanisms yeah well listen you have a long way to go and there's and thank god you know all those other famous people that can help guide you in that path you know someone once told me Corey you have a long way to go or no how's it go you're gonna go a long way because you got a long fucking way to go right I wish you a slow recovery all right boys fun show tonight I appreciate you guys indulging me with that shout out to our listeners please like follow and share on all socials at TrudReport Pod.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: Email us TrudgeReportpod at yahoo.com we should probably check that Corey send in your mailbag requests for topics questions comments to any of these handles remember we are all here if anyone wants to talk about recovery our experiences or if you're struggling with some form of addiction thank you again to Janine and Stella Mix Podcast Management goodnight God bless don't blow your anonymity trudge the road of happy destiny it says I'm logged out of the email so we're fucked goodbye goodbye