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Pitchforks Top 100 Albums List · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to hip Hop Now Pop. If you from the future,
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  Speaker 1: let's get right into the business. Why don't we? So,
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  Speaker 1: if you have been under a rock and you're not
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  Speaker 1: aware of what typically happens on social media from time
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  Speaker 1: to time, particularly hip hop social media. Multiple times throughout
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  Speaker 1: the year, hip hop media outlets will put out a
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  Speaker 1: list top albums of all time, greatest mcs, you name it,
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  Speaker 1: top one hundred, top fifty, top twenty, and generally speaking
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  Speaker 1: like I'm with it because we tend to do our
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  Speaker 1: own lists. We have a little group chats that have
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  Speaker 1: less we post our own lists on social media. So
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  Speaker 1: it's all fun. It's all good to debate and to
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  Speaker 1: see what other people think about these lists. But the issue,
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  Speaker 1: focusing on the media side hip hop media, the issue
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  Speaker 1: that comes up is some of these lists feel like
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  Speaker 1: there's a goal in mind, right, whether the intention is
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  Speaker 1: to engage followers and people on the internet go viral,
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  Speaker 1: obviously wanting all of that traffic to come back to
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  Speaker 1: your website, and whether intentional or not, what has typically
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  Speaker 1: been the case for sites like Complex or Rolling Stones
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  Speaker 1: and in today's cads Pitchfork is it seems like it's
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  Speaker 1: an attempt to go viral, right, Because generally speaking, when
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  Speaker 1: these lists drop and I look at the comments, no
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  Speaker 1: one is pleased or in a lot of ways even outrage.
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  Speaker 1: And I think some of that has to do with,
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  Speaker 1: you know, list are subjective. You know, oh yo, why
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  Speaker 1: you ain't include you know, the on the street posse
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  Speaker 1: on this list because no one knows them, but it's
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  Speaker 1: great that they're on your list. So on one hand,
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  Speaker 1: you get it, this is this organization, this is how
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  Speaker 1: they came up with this list, and it is what
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  Speaker 1: it is. This is their criteria for the list. On
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  Speaker 1: the other hand, you feel like, where were these hip
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  Speaker 1: hop lists back in the blog era like that, Like,
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  Speaker 1: we know people wrote blogs about it, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying it didn't exist. You can go on the internet
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  Speaker 1: and find some of these same places creating lists. But
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the controversy is beneficial to these websites. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I know you're saying to yourself, well, yeah, okay, subjective
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  Speaker 1: right or wrong? So who cares? This is why we care? Right.
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  Speaker 1: Pitchfork just dropped their own list let me change my
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  Speaker 1: lay out real quick, their own list that centrally does
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  Speaker 1: something that I think personally maybe they should be called
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  Speaker 1: down on, right. I don't know, you tell me, But
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  Speaker 1: here's the list right here, and it is the one
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  Speaker 1: hundred best rap albums of all time. We rank not us,
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  Speaker 1: but Pitchfork. We rank the most essential and influential albums
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  Speaker 1: of this qusitive, quintessentially American art form. Here's where the
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  Speaker 1: problem begins. Pitchfork has a reputation for scoring some of
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  Speaker 1: the best hip hop albums extremely low. They have a
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  Speaker 1: straight up reputation with hip hop heads for getting it
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  Speaker 1: wrong majority of the time when it comes to reviewing
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  Speaker 1: some of the greatest hip hop albums of all time,
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  Speaker 1: even albums that are currently accepted as dope. They tend
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  Speaker 1: to give them an extremely low score like six or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. The King's Disease series, Boy, they would
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  Speaker 1: They were just saying all that stuff was average to Pitchfork.
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  Speaker 1: So people being upset with this list in particular makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: And you see what they said, most essential and influential
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  Speaker 1: albums to hip hop heads. There are certain albums that,
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  Speaker 1: universally we feel, whether we like them or not, need
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  Speaker 1: to be on a list of this caliber. Now, this
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  Speaker 1: is what makes it funny, because when you go to
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  Speaker 1: one hundred, uh, look look what, look what? Look at it?
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  Speaker 1: Look at what's at one hundred Snoop Dog Doggy Style
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  Speaker 1: out of nineteen ninety three. Now, granted it's on the list,
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  Speaker 1: so they got that right, but it's the last album
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  Speaker 1: on the list. And some may say, well, look man,
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  Speaker 1: everybody ain't like that. You know, everybody feel like it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't as good as the Chronic Oh blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason you come up with. But let's look at
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  Speaker 1: the album that's ahead of it. Just in one slide,
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  Speaker 1: who is this dwop Can Underdog from twenty eighteen, an
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  Speaker 1: album that is clearly inspired by Doggy Style at least
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  Speaker 1: the artwork. Well, we're talking about what we're doing? What
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  Speaker 1: are we doing? Now? Granted, this is their list. I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure their staff came up with it. But again,
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  Speaker 1: a publication that has a track record of getting reviews
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  Speaker 1: of albums wrong, just wrong amongst music fans hip hop heads. Whatever.
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  Speaker 1: To me, it says who is the committee for these albums?
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  Speaker 1: Who is the committee for these lists? Now? Granted, or
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  Speaker 1: maybe not committees for the reviews because one person reviews it.
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  Speaker 1: But nevertheless, who's reviewing hip hop on here? That we
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  Speaker 1: could feel like, well, at least they know. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying Doggy Style has to be top ten, but again,
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  Speaker 1: there are certain albums within hip hop's history that you
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  Speaker 1: will expect to not only be on this list, but
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  Speaker 1: at least fall somewhere between fifty and number one. And
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  Speaker 1: to have Doggie Style, damn there miss the list seems
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  Speaker 1: crazy and in a lot of ways it makes me
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  Speaker 1: interested in who this guy is because guy or girl whoever?
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  Speaker 1: Because how did they get in front of Doggy Style
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  Speaker 1: as far as being influential? And he sent you? But
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  Speaker 1: most hip hopheads have never heard it. Most not those
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  Speaker 1: who have heard it so I'm not going to go
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  Speaker 1: through the whole list, right, this is a quick episode.
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  Speaker 1: But let's just scroll to the top ten and if
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  Speaker 1: we see something crazy, let's see what happens. Right, So
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  Speaker 1: where we at seventy, well, at least the Jungle Brothers
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  Speaker 1: on hand, seventy one, geezy get let's get it. Motivation
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  Speaker 1: one on one albums again, that should make this list.
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  Speaker 1: Positioning doesn't matter. Wait, hold up, hold up, hold up?
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  Speaker 1: We let me yeah, yeah, I see what's here, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and some of it makes sense. You know. The Chronic though,
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  Speaker 1: was at sixty two. Again, I think the Chronic has
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  Speaker 1: equal has an equal level of impact, or maybe maybe
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  Speaker 1: dog Style has more, right, because that album was a
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  Speaker 1: big deal. Dogie Style was a big deal when it
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  Speaker 1: was going to drop it, the anticipation was through the
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  Speaker 1: roof and people were for the most part satisfied. But nevertheless,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's get to ten because we've seen some joints
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  Speaker 1: in here. I see pop smokers in here. Wait, hold up,
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  Speaker 1: hold up, stop to take care take care of forty seven,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred best rap albums. Now, you may say to
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  Speaker 1: yourself that's not hip hop. Well, me and Tony from
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  Speaker 1: Into the Dome podcast right here on YouTube. Did a
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  Speaker 1: episode on this channel hip Hop Now pod of our
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  Speaker 1: series That Time in hip Hop, and the latest episode
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  Speaker 1: is talking about Drake and this particular album Take Care.
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  Speaker 1: Also we asked the question is it a classic? I guess,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, Pitchfork believe so. But we also asked the
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  Speaker 1: question is it hip hop? Is Drake hip hop? So
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  Speaker 1: you can check that out. But here's where I really
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  Speaker 1: wanted to go. Forty six fifty cent is g unit
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  Speaker 1: fifty is the future? Do they not know? This is
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  Speaker 1: a mixtape? Who up there? Who all up in there?
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  Speaker 1: Who you with? Who in there talking about these things?
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to ten, trying to get to ten.
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  Speaker 1: I saw the Piper Butterflers in there, you know, selicktric
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, Big Eie at twenty one. Man, it's getting crazy.
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  Speaker 1: As we get to the fifteen, a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: showing up that should be here. Okay, it should be here,
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  Speaker 1: no matter what the order may be. Let's go to top ten.
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  Speaker 1: Mad Villainy, m F. Doom and Madly, I'm not mad
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  Speaker 1: at this being in the top ten. I'm sorry it
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  Speaker 1: should be outcast Equimini. I'm not mad at this being
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  Speaker 1: in the top ten. It's my favorite outcast album. Again subjective,
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  Speaker 1: I'm also not mad at this. Clips Hell have no fury.
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  Speaker 1: This is probably the Clips' best album, but I think
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  Speaker 1: like God's sort of mouth is creeping on them. Number
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  Speaker 1: seven Lauren Hill The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. Lauryn Hill
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  Speaker 1: is hip hop, but there was more singing on this
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  Speaker 1: album than hip hop, So again the argument of Drake
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  Speaker 1: being hip hop. There's more rapping on take Care than
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  Speaker 1: it is on the Miseducation of Lauren Hill. So what's
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  Speaker 1: the hip hop album? Number six Rich Gang the Tour
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  Speaker 1: Part One. I have no idea who this is. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I do, but I've never heard this. I am a
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  Speaker 1: Recipees rich Homie Kwan. I kind of like him, sort
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  Speaker 1: of like Young Thug. Maybe I should check this out,
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  Speaker 1: you tell me. Number five Ellmatic had to at least
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  Speaker 1: be in the top five. The conversations around this album
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  Speaker 1: all the time, happen frequently on social media. There's no
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  Speaker 1: reason why this wouldn't be in the top five. Number
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  Speaker 1: four ghost Face Supreme Clientele. I'm not mad at this,
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  Speaker 1: but I kind of feel like, if you're going to
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  Speaker 1: say essentral and influential, Supreme Clientele should absolutely be on
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  Speaker 1: this list of one hundred, but being ahead of Bu
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  Speaker 1: Tang Clans into the thirty six chambers contradicts what this
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  Speaker 1: list is supposed to be. No way Supreme Clientele is
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  Speaker 1: more influential than Bu Tang's debut album. It just is.
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  Speaker 1: It still one of my favorite juvenile four hundred degrees.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I'm not mad at this. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't make my top five on my top ten, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm not mad at it being on the list because
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  Speaker 1: it was like when that High Joint dropped in ninety
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  Speaker 1: eight along with the remix with jay Z on it,
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  Speaker 1: it felt like rap just shifted and that was Juvenile
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  Speaker 1: and cash Money that did that, and many fresh on
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  Speaker 1: the beats. All right now it's going to get tricky.
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  Speaker 1: Tupac all eyes on me. I'm not mad. This album
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  Speaker 1: should definitely be on this list of one hundred. Number
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  Speaker 1: two is extreme because the second CD for me personally,
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  Speaker 1: has a lot of skips, and maybe it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: now versus back then when they dropped in ninety six.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely a dope album. I feel comfortable calling the classic.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of the better double albums. But number two
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  Speaker 1: maybe Tupac was doing some things back then in ninety six.
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  Speaker 1: And number one. Number number one is Mob Deep, the
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  Speaker 1: infamous Mob Deep's sophomore album, not their debut. I love
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  Speaker 1: infamous album. I love Mob Deep, can't wait for the
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  Speaker 1: new album to drop. But this is ridiculous, mainly because
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  Speaker 1: this album should absolutely be on this list, even top ten.
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  Speaker 1: I'd say top ten, it should be on this list.
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  Speaker 1: But number one, an album that Prodigy said was inspired
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  Speaker 1: by Ellmatic, yet is in front of ilmag on a
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  Speaker 1: list that's about albums that are influential an impact. I
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  Speaker 1: think I don't know, but I think this list is
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  Speaker 1: clearly hold on, I gotta stop sharing my screen real quick.
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  Speaker 1: This list is clearly a reaction to the Internet, to
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  Speaker 1: the conversations in the Internet. A little spice throwing in
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  Speaker 1: there to break things up, right, But that number one
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  Speaker 1: is definitely a reaction. Now you would say to yourself, well,
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  Speaker 1: why it's more Deep. I mean, they're popular, but they're
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  Speaker 1: not that popular. Dog Shook one's part one. It's extremely
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  Speaker 1: popular on the internet for some reason. We've always known
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  Speaker 1: that beat. You know what I'm saying. The intro to
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  Speaker 1: All the Killers and the Hundred. Everything about it is
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  Speaker 1: classic nostalgia and all that good stuff. But it seems
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  Speaker 1: like in recent years it's almost like the Big L
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  Speaker 1: thing right where Big L everybody knew he was nice
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  Speaker 1: and dope in hip hop throughout the years, but over
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  Speaker 1: the years with social media, it's almost as like, no
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  Speaker 1: people say Big L's better than everybody, and it's like, whoa, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: whoa where were you in the nineties, No one said that,
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  Speaker 1: no one. Some people even said he's basically just lord
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  Speaker 1: for this. But you, casual, you probably don't even know
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  Speaker 1: who that is, do you? Right? Big L was introduced
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  Speaker 1: via a lore for this album, but Big L is
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  Speaker 1: dumb nice. But everything on the internet is kind of
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  Speaker 1: changed around this narrative. And I think it's the same
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  Speaker 1: thing with mab Deep. This is what's happening and it's
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  Speaker 1: a double edged sword. The discovery of these classic artists
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  Speaker 1: album songs that some of us have known and listened
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  Speaker 1: to for years. It's excellent, but it is trending. Right
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  Speaker 1: you go on YouTube now dudes from a younger generation
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  Speaker 1: who are hip hop heads. Some of them are faking it,
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  Speaker 1: but some of them are going back and listening to
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  Speaker 1: music and bars and like being enamored by nineties hip
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  Speaker 1: hop in particular, and shook Ones is like extremely popular
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  Speaker 1: right from memes to everything always, and I hope that
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  Speaker 1: results in people listening to their new album, let alone
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  Speaker 1: the catalog. But at number one on a one hundred list,
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  Speaker 1: and you're talking about influence, not influencers, but influence in
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  Speaker 1: hip hop. Let me go back to their definition of
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  Speaker 1: their list again. It just seems it seems not to
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  Speaker 1: make sense when you say, we rank the mostly central
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  Speaker 1: and influential albums of this American art form. Should absolutely
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  Speaker 1: be on the list. A lot of the stuff I
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  Speaker 1: saw should be on the list. But when you're ranking
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  Speaker 1: them from one hundred to one, you're saying to us,
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  Speaker 1: Mob Deeps the Infamous is the most central and influential
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  Speaker 1: album out of these one hundred. That's crazy talk. So
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  Speaker 1: to wrap it up, I think these lists are great
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  Speaker 1: just for the hip hop conversation, so I'm not that
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  Speaker 1: mad at it. I think it's a little weird for again,
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  Speaker 1: a publication who tends to get albums that most hip
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  Speaker 1: hop pads agree that are pretty dope, they tend to
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  Speaker 1: rate them extremely low. Sometimes and it seems weird. It
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  Speaker 1: seems like their hip hop knowledge and scale is a
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  Speaker 1: little off. Thus, this list makes a lot of sense
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  Speaker 1: for this website. Now, I don't necessarily like to constantly
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  Speaker 1: cover these types of topics, but at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, it's sometimes it could be fun. So what
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  Speaker 1: do you think about Pitchfork's top one hundred hip hop
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  Speaker 1: albums list? The link to view the entire list. Because
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