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You disagree with me? You're in a cult! | Maintaining Frame 126 · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining
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Speaker 1: frame number one twenty seven. You disagree with me, you're
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Speaker 1: in a cult. We're gonna be looking at well. This
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Speaker 1: was a request made by one of our patrons.
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Speaker 2: Richard Berre.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're gonna blame somebody, blame him.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna be looking at two videos, one from Thunderfoot
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Speaker 1: where he basically does what he's been doing ever since Brexit,
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Speaker 1: which is rail against but he doesn't ever since Brexit, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's been on a tirade against uh well, people who
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Speaker 1: supported Brexit, people who supported Trump, Elon Musk for some reason,
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Speaker 1: Like he's hated him from the beginning like ever since.
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Speaker 1: Like I think that Musk sort of like walked into
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Speaker 1: or stepped into the public conversation even before he bought Twitter,
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Speaker 1: I think. And so yeah, we're gonna be responding to
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Speaker 1: a video by Thunderfoot where he basically says you're all
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Speaker 1: dumb because you're not me and you voted the wrong
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Speaker 1: way therefore, or I'm gonna like roll you through the coals.
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Speaker 1: And then there's another video by a similarly arrogant elitist
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Speaker 1: type dark Matter twenty five to twenty five, who was
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Speaker 1: once upon a time a relevant atheist YouTuber that made
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Speaker 1: animated cartoons about how stupid Christians are, although he never
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Speaker 1: went after the muzzy of the Jews for some reason diet,
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Speaker 1: but I digress. And now he's like, well, nobody seems
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Speaker 1: to give a shit about atheist content anymore. Let me
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Speaker 1: wait into politics. And so he also made a video
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Speaker 1: about how we are dumb and we are in a cult.
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna get to videos about.
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Speaker 2: That, okay, just yeah, I know, before we get into it.
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Speaker 2: And apparently the real difficulty with these videos was they
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Speaker 2: were boring. But we'll try to ease that a bit,
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Speaker 2: ease that pain by making entertaining. However, I think we
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Speaker 2: got the wrong on the vertical. I think you might
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Speaker 2: have the wrong. But you know what I could. I
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Speaker 2: could fix that.
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Speaker 1: I can. What's wrong with the vertical? What do you?
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Speaker 1: Oh you mean the title? No?
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Speaker 2: No, the vertical is missing a space because there's not
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Speaker 2: three of them.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, the video is there? Hold on a second,
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Speaker 1: on a second, Oh yeah, it's where it is. I'll
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Speaker 1: just right, I'll just change the layout. That's where the
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Speaker 1: video is. It starts on a black screen. That's all.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, all right, that's fine. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: clarifying that, Brian. It was not a technical difficulty. It
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Speaker 2: was a am just.
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Speaker 1: What the scene looks like. I could chanse with something
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Speaker 1: else if it kills the space better.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, okay, all right, so let's uh bring
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Speaker 2: us Okay, did you find anything interesting to talk about? Well?
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I guess it depends on what you mean
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Speaker 1: by interesting. So let's let's let's start the Thunderfoot videos longer.
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Speaker 1: So maybe we could start with that one. And that's
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Speaker 1: the one I have up. That's a black screen.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I think just for my cursory look, the
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Speaker 2: other one is more egregious perhaps.
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Speaker 1: Or is that they're not really see the thing is Okay.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how to come across with this to
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Speaker 1: start this conversation, but Thunderfoot and dark Matter twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: twenty five, it is his name, both of them. There.
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Speaker 1: They their arguments sound rational, but their starting points and
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Speaker 1: their presuppositions about the people they're talking about, the people
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Speaker 1: they're criticizing, they're wrong. So It's almost like Thot's the
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Speaker 1: kind of person that would say, I don't think feminism
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Speaker 1: is wrong. I think radical feminism is wrong. That's what
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Speaker 1: I mean. So that means that he's starting point is
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Speaker 1: already wrong, and everything else after that is a rationalization
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Speaker 1: that probably makes sense considering his starting points. Sous video
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Speaker 1: is yeah, thirty, his premises are wrong, therefore right. So
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Speaker 1: his thing is I don't like Elon Musk. That's it.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know why he thinks that Elon Musk
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Speaker 1: is a con man who basically is really fake. He's
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Speaker 1: made countless videos where he debunks his science, even though
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Speaker 1: you know, you know about the most recent thing that
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Speaker 1: happened where Elon Musk landed like a rocket like vertically.
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Speaker 1: Did you see that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: You remember that? Okay, Now I don't know. Look, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't pretend to be an astrophysicist. I
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Speaker 1: don't pretend to know about that. But I do know
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Speaker 1: that Thunderfoot watched that whole thing unfold, and the whole
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Speaker 1: time he was saying, this is gonna fail. This guy's
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Speaker 1: a loser, he's gonna fail. This sucks, and he was
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Speaker 1: explaining all of the different ways that this couldn't possibly
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Speaker 1: work and that it was all bad science, and Elon
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Speaker 1: is a bad scientist, you know, and all of this
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Speaker 1: other stuff. And then Thunderfoot does a live stream where
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Speaker 1: he's watching the launch and the landing of the rocket,
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Speaker 1: and at the end he's like, oh, oh he did it.
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Speaker 1: Oh so it like the and he's of course surprised
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Speaker 1: that he was wrong, but that's because his premise was wrong.
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Speaker 1: And so I think that it's the same thing here.
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Speaker 1: He basically says anybody who voted bresit is stupid. Nigel
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Speaker 1: Paraj is stupid. Trump voters are stupid. Trump is stupid,
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Speaker 1: His cabinet is stupid. They're all stupid. And the worst
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Speaker 1: part is is that there are Christians among them, which again, no,
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Speaker 1: I'm serious. I'm not saying this like as a defensive thing.
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Speaker 1: I'm saying that Underfoot, Underfoot, Thunderfoot, and Dark Matter twenty
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Speaker 1: five twenty five are anti theists, specifically anti Christian guys
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Speaker 1: that have been going after Christians since two thousand and
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Speaker 1: five or earlier, and they never grew out of it,
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Speaker 1: and it informs every single opinion. So like Dark Matter
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Speaker 1: twenty five twenty five's entire case has to do with
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Speaker 1: the fact that there are Christians and they vote just
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Speaker 1: like Thunderfoots. I'm serious. I am not straw manning them. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I am not strawmanning them. I'm telling you this informs
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Speaker 1: their perspectives. But we can go through the video. So
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Speaker 1: here's some of the takeaways from Thunderfoot's video. Elon Musk's
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Speaker 1: promises do not align with reality. Uh, bregsit Port is
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Speaker 1: bad and and anybody who supports it. Anyway, he never
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Speaker 1: got over that. He never got over bregsit Mass. He
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Speaker 1: thinks that Trump's promises or the things that he wants
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Speaker 1: to do are impossible. He thinks that Trump destroyed the
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Speaker 1: economy or will because the jobs that they're gonna like
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Speaker 1: gut are all like American jobs, their government jobs, but
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Speaker 1: their American jobs, but their government jobs. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you guys understand how government jobs are paid for,
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Speaker 1: but they're not. They don't count as jobs when you're
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Speaker 1: like looking at the economy. Okay, so yeah, I mean, like, uh,
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Speaker 1: we can go through it. Well. The reason why you
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Speaker 1: asked me what I thought about it, the reason why
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Speaker 1: I said it was boring is because it's all stuff
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Speaker 1: that I knew they were going to say, and I've
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Speaker 1: heard a million times, so I'm not I'm not exposed
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Speaker 1: to anything like, oh wow, there isn't a unique perspective,
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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's kind of why I have. That is
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Speaker 1: not the most Oh, but we should into because because
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Speaker 1: Thunderfoot's the way he makes his arguments are kind of
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Speaker 1: hilarious because he literally compares the Trump campaign to the
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Speaker 1: villains from V for Vendetta, and he uses clips to
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Speaker 1: do it, and then he claims that his cartoonish perspective
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Speaker 1: is actually our fault, you know, like we're the ones
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Speaker 1: doing it because we like closed borders and like a
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Speaker 1: good economy and affordable gas and groceries. We're the ones
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Speaker 1: that are basically being like, what are the villains from
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Speaker 1: V for Vendetta? The government? Did you ever see that movie? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I did.
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Speaker 2: I just can't generic government corporate villains.
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Speaker 1: I think no, they were literally like, you know, the
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Speaker 1: Christian nationalist Margaret Thatcher, like or Well's nineteen eighty four government,
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Speaker 1: like literally like the leader was the guy from the
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Speaker 1: original nineteen eighty four movie that came out in the eighties.
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Speaker 1: I need to.
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Speaker 2: Put this my coffee in something that doesn't splash back
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Speaker 2: onto my face.
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Speaker 1: Because because why I'm a little animated because I just
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Speaker 1: had like another cup.
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Speaker 2: It's okay, before I go wash the coffee off my
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Speaker 2: face and maybe find a mug. I just want to
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Speaker 1: I did get We did get one, but it's it
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Speaker 1: was another one that was sent because of a show
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Speaker 1: I did with John on my Journey. Alright, what were
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Speaker 1: you going to say?
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, basedology says in our vertical chat, you
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Speaker 2: guys should review the video Dark Matter made called the
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Speaker 2: Red Pill. Lie. Yeah, sure, I mean I would hope
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Speaker 2: that we give an interesting perspective on something like that,
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Speaker 2: like maybe maybe he has some good points. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: once again, this is a double request from Richard Beer
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Speaker 2: of Thunderfoot plus Dark Matter, both responding to Trump's win
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Speaker 2: and before we get into it, and I really want
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Speaker 2: to wash this coffee off my face, I apologize, guys,
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Speaker 2: but I do want to say this before I do
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Speaker 2: my One of my first interactions with Trump, or not Trump,
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Speaker 2: but Thunderfoot was him using artwork that I had worked
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Speaker 2: on with one of the artists at Honey Badger Radio
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Speaker 2: who was working with the Yeah, and it was uncredited
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Speaker 2: and it was going iral, and I remember going into
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Speaker 2: the comments of his video and simply saying, Hey, could
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Speaker 2: you credit this artwork to the artist.
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Speaker 1: And for what one of the pieces?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been a cocurio piece. And I
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Speaker 2: was like, could you please credit the artists for this?
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Speaker 2: It might have been a Cocurio. It might have been
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Speaker 2: I forget the the actual icon of this current channel.
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Speaker 2: It was done by another artist. I said, could you
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Speaker 2: credit the artist? And I remember posting this comment on
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Speaker 2: the video and a whole bunch of his followers attacked me,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, why would you attack me for a
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Speaker 2: request like that? And there was even people who were
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Speaker 2: warning me like don't don't uh, don't, don't question him,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, this is a simple courtesy and I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying he's the devil, but just put the credit in.
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Speaker 2: And I was just a dounded because I don't think
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Speaker 2: that anybody in our community would defend us like that.
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Speaker 2: Like I've had people say could you credit the artist?
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Speaker 2: And I've done my best to try, although sometimes a
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Speaker 2: lot of the memes that I share are like I
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Speaker 2: don't know seven seven times removed from the original artist.
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Speaker 2: But I've never had somebody say, hey, could you credit
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Speaker 2: the artists and then had people who follow me or
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Speaker 2: are fans of our content attack them. I've never seen that.
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Speaker 2: It's insane, like what the hell it used to be?
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Speaker 1: Oh, no, it's great. He used to be a really
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Speaker 1: big like I don't know if he still is I
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Speaker 1: haven't been. I used to be subscribed to a channel
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Speaker 1: like when he used to debunk Anita Sarcasian and you know,
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Speaker 1: it was fun like I mean, there were a lot
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Speaker 1: of people doing it at the time, and I was
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Speaker 1: happy that he did. But again, you know, he was
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Speaker 1: part of that whole atheism plus thing. And that's the
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Speaker 1: funny thing about this is that we're kind of like
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Speaker 1: coming full circle, you know, the awareness or the awakening
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Speaker 1: for many people when it comes to you know, sort
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Speaker 1: of getting involved with these men's issues things and being
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Speaker 1: like realizing that, you know, feminism is not actually what
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Speaker 1: it claims to be. It started in atheism, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of people started there, and there are consuming atheist content,
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Speaker 1: and Thunderfoot and uh Dark Matter twenty five to twenty
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Speaker 1: five were among like the big, big, big content creators
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Speaker 1: of the time. But I think that the atheism content
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Speaker 1: has basically like just become not interesting anymore. And the
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Speaker 1: reason is not because atheism isn't like some like viable
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Speaker 1: you know belief system that somebody could hold. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you can do that if you want to. It's just
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Speaker 1: that the conversation doesn't go anywhere, Like we're done Okay,
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Speaker 1: you either believe in God or you don't believe in God,
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Speaker 1: and then you just live your life. We don't need
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Speaker 1: endless streams of content talking about it, unless, of course,
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Speaker 1: you have a different, you know, agenda that isn't simply
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Speaker 1: I don't know, debunking. The Christians, by the way, the
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Speaker 1: only group that you're allowed to go after again. And
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Speaker 1: if you don't want the ADL on your ass or
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Speaker 1: like some like you know, Islamists bombing your house, you
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Speaker 1: don't criticize those other two Abrahamic religions. So just come
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Speaker 1: back to the Christians. It's cool, like it's it's so
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Speaker 1: like what I'm saying. That's why it's boring, because I
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Speaker 1: know what you're gonna say, I know what your arguments are.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not worried about the Christians. I'm not. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm worried about the freak like danger hair
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Speaker 1: communists that are like trying to infiltrate everything and like
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Speaker 1: trying to cut off our children's genitals to replace them
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Speaker 1: with different genitals. Those are the people that concern me,
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Speaker 1: and most of those people are atheists. But anyway, so
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Speaker 1: Allison stepped away to wash her face. I guess we'll
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Speaker 1: watch some of this Thunderfoot thing, so I'm gonna go
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Speaker 1: ahead and play it, just the intro part.
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Speaker 3: A few years back, it All Musk posted this meme
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Speaker 3: about buying Twitter well, promising he would make it the
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Speaker 3: everything app, he would completely turn it around, it would
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Speaker 3: control half of the world economy, and in about two
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Speaker 3: years proceeded to create the value of the company where
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Speaker 3: it lost some eighty percent of its value.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is this is again, this is thunderfoot.
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Speaker 1: All he's doing is he's saying Elon Musk promised these things.
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Speaker 1: He's a loser. This is me proving it. But let
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Speaker 1: me ask you guys, Okay, do you think that Twitter
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Speaker 1: or x is better now in terms of what it
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Speaker 1: is designed to do despite the fact that it doesn't
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Speaker 1: like maybe produce as many profits. And a lot of
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Speaker 1: that has to do with advertisers pulling out because they
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Speaker 1: didn't like the direction that Elon Musk was going with Twitter,
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Speaker 1: but making it like legitimately a better space for what
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Speaker 1: it is, for making it into a town square so
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Speaker 1: people can hash out arguments. When Jack Dorsey was owning Twitter,
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Speaker 1: it was probably more profitable because there were more giant
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Speaker 1: corporations and like Blackrock owned businesses investing in it, but
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Speaker 1: there were no discussions happening, and they were literally using
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Speaker 1: it to silence voices like ours. By the way, so
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Speaker 1: when this is what I'm getting at, is this Thunderfoot's
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Speaker 1: argument is not from whether or not something is good
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Speaker 1: in you know, regardless of what is sacrifice, or rather
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Speaker 1: that something is bad because it isn't making money. So
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Speaker 1: I'm just that's his argument. Okay. Is that a good argument?
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Speaker 1: I would say no. I guess it depends, like what's
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Speaker 1: your goal with Twitter? Do you want to make money
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Speaker 1: or do you want to like improve the quality of
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Speaker 1: conversation by giving as much freedom to people that use
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Speaker 1: the platform as possible. Because Elon Musk's whole reason for
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Speaker 1: buying Twitter was in fact because he believed that there
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Speaker 1: should be more free speech. And Jack Dorsey and his team,
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Speaker 1: by the way, some of the people on that team
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Speaker 1: were Zoe Quinn and Anitas Arkisian. There's no escaping the
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Speaker 1: gamer Gate downstream effects and this, and and Thunderfoot is saying, well,
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Speaker 1: it lost money, Therefore Elon Musk is a failure. By
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Speaker 1: the way, Elon Musk also fired eighty percent of the
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Speaker 1: staff because they were doing nothing, because they were basically
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Speaker 1: just bloat on the company. And Twitter runs just fine
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Speaker 1: with eighty percent of the people gone. So what does
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Speaker 1: that tell you about what those people contributed?
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Speaker 2: All right, So, just speaking on the issue of Twitter,
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Speaker 2: I have a few thoughts, Like, recently I was put
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Speaker 2: into non human jail and on Twitter alleged I was
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Speaker 2: a bot and there were some technical issues that I
18:42
Speaker 2: had difficulty doing the Arcro's challenge, and I think and
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Speaker 2: the going theory is that I was mass reported by
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Speaker 2: a bunch of pe people that I pissed off, which
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Speaker 2: is entirely possible because I no offense you.
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Speaker 1: Basically, you often pissed people off on Twitter because you're
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Speaker 1: the most, the loudest, most vile people on Twitter. Those
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Speaker 1: are your targets, right, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, and in this case, I tweeted
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Speaker 2: out something that offended both the conservatives and the feminists.
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Speaker 2: It was about the sexual abuse of men women by men.
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Speaker 2: And these are self identified conservatives, so I'm just saying
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Speaker 2: what they say they are, and they had they struggled
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Speaker 2: with the idea that women can rape men, and so
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Speaker 2: I was pissing off two camps at once, and I
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Speaker 2: think what happened is I got a mass report of
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Speaker 2: being a bot because I disagreed with them and their
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Speaker 2: assumptions about sexual assault and uh yeah. But so for
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Speaker 2: a couple of days I was struggling with the tech,
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Speaker 2: the technical difficulty. So I think it was not just
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Speaker 2: a mass report, but also Twitter was having a a
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Speaker 2: technical problem. Also, the name i X doesn't work as
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Speaker 2: a name, but you know that, be that as it may.
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Speaker 2: Those are superficial details anyway, so it's having a technical problem.
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Speaker 2: I ended up being put into Twitter jail and I
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Speaker 2: got out and then I was immediately flagged for spot
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Speaker 2: like behavior and I said, well what so I said,
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Speaker 2: please review my my my profile. And a day later
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Speaker 2: they came back and said, oh, yes, it appears that
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Speaker 2: you aren't engaging with the platform in a malevolent way
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Speaker 2: or a or trying to manipulate the platform, or you're
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Speaker 2: not a bot. I'm like, thank you, But anyway, it
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Speaker 2: at least at least I had some procedure I could
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Speaker 2: follow to actually get that resolved. I remember Twitter in
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Speaker 2: the past, the Jack Dorsey days. Well, first of all,
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Speaker 2: the Jack Dorsey days led to a lot of shit
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Speaker 2: that impacted my real life. By the way, I know
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Speaker 2: you guys don't know this, but it was ten tweets
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Speaker 2: sent to the organizers of the Calgary Comics and Entertainment
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Speaker 2: Expert evicted from the booth that I paid to rent
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Speaker 2: to promote my my comic book. Right, so you know Twitter.
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Speaker 1: Twitter.
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Speaker 2: People say, oh, it's just Twitter. Well, Twitter actually has
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Speaker 2: seriously impacted my life. And I remember those days it
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Speaker 2: was it was actually frightening to go and engage on Twitter.
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Speaker 2: It's no longer scary. And I mean I don't mean like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get called a bad name. I mean something
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Speaker 2: like I'm going to do all this work and have
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Speaker 2: it disappear, or I'm going to have a bunch of
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Speaker 2: Twitter addie come at me and try to get me
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Speaker 2: in real life. Or what was the other thing, Uh,
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Speaker 2: when we did a convention, when I put on a
21:44
Speaker 2: convention in Chicago, because I was the head of that
21:47
Speaker 2: convention for men's issues, again, a bunch of Twitter addie
21:52
Speaker 2: came at us and tried to get it shut down.
21:55
Speaker 1: That time they sent police to the to the hotel.
22:00
Speaker 1: Police didn't buy it, but they showed up just to
22:02
Speaker 1: say that they showed up and they were like, yeah,
22:04
Speaker 1: we're sure nothing's going on, but we're just gonna come
22:06
Speaker 1: here and look anyways.
22:07
Speaker 2: Which is funny because we I actually arranged with a
22:10
Speaker 2: local precinct to have off duty security off duty security,
22:15
Speaker 2: which probably helped the issue quite a bit. But it's
22:19
Speaker 2: like this is and we also went and talked to
22:21
Speaker 2: them beforehand.
22:22
Speaker 1: You remember that, I know I was with you. Yeah, no,
22:25
Speaker 1: I know, but again they were so insistent that yeah,
22:29
Speaker 1: I guess you know, in the hotel too. They came
22:31
Speaker 1: to them up to us and they were like, yeah,
22:33
Speaker 1: we're getting all these calls, and it was what's his name?
22:35
Speaker 1: That guy? Is he still on Twitter? Yeah? Yeah, I
22:41
Speaker 1: was that guy.
22:42
Speaker 2: And you couldn't do anything about that, nothing, what, nothing,
22:45
Speaker 2: whatsoever about that kind of behavior. So this this I
22:49
Speaker 2: from Twitter. I've had situations where I've gotten kicked out
22:52
Speaker 2: of events. I've had people on Twitter attempt to get
22:55
Speaker 2: my events shut down, and the only reason it didn't
22:59
Speaker 2: happen and is because we had already established a relationship
23:02
Speaker 2: with the cops beforehand, and we'd already established a relationship
23:06
Speaker 2: with the venue. So the venue just took Karen aside.
23:09
Speaker 2: Karen was the MC of the event and was just like, ah,
23:12
Speaker 2: we hate to tell you, but this this there's this
23:14
Speaker 2: kerfuffle on Twitter where you know, they didn't actually do
23:18
Speaker 2: anything at all, Like they didn't for they didn't kick
23:21
Speaker 2: us out. It was like the second day of the convention.
23:24
Speaker 2: They just you know, they were just concerned and wanted
23:28
Speaker 2: to inform us that there was a Twitter for costs
23:30
Speaker 2: and we're like, yeah, we know, or at least Karen
23:32
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, this this ain't our first rodeo. So
23:35
Speaker 2: and so it's aggravating when people are like, oh, Twitter
23:39
Speaker 2: was worse, is worse now? It isn't. It isn't. I
23:43
Speaker 2: don't have a red fear when I engage in it,
23:46
Speaker 2: and that that fear that I'm going to be a
23:48
Speaker 2: target in real life, and that also the work that
23:52
Speaker 2: I put into Twitter is just going to disappear.
23:54
Speaker 1: Now.
23:54
Speaker 2: This last little stint in Twitter jail was not not
23:59
Speaker 2: not fun. But I did some reading about it, and
24:01
Speaker 2: apparently it's a legacy system that Elon or Elon's appointed
24:06
Speaker 2: president is thinking of getting rid of. So this is
24:09
Speaker 2: a this is from the past. I got hit.
24:11
Speaker 1: It's a leftover, right, Yeah.
24:13
Speaker 2: Buy something from the past. Yeah, like right now, Twitter
24:18
Speaker 2: is a lot better as far as I'm concerned. And
24:20
Speaker 2: also there's an individual talking in the chat, the Vertical Chat,
24:24
Speaker 2: the Special Chat and says that it's full of like AI. Yeah,
24:28
Speaker 2: have you noticed YouTube lately?
24:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have.
24:31
Speaker 2: Been absolutely saturated with the AI bullshit.
24:36
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, I mean you could say that
24:38
Speaker 1: Twitter's got bots, but that's I mean, that's you're you're
24:41
Speaker 1: basically being very you'r cherry picking, because the bots are everywhere.
24:45
Speaker 1: They're on Facebook, they're on Instagram, they're on like, they're
24:49
Speaker 1: on porn Hub probably, you know, they're so like that's
24:52
Speaker 1: kind of a pointless exercise, Like, oh look, girls, you know,
24:55
Speaker 1: like overall, I think Twitter is way better than it was.
24:59
Speaker 1: I'm much happier to use it, and like, you know,
25:01
Speaker 1: we don't get shadow band on Twitter. We don't get
25:04
Speaker 1: throttled on Twitter as much, at least, you know, I
25:06
Speaker 1: think Hannah still has some issues. I don't know why.
25:09
Speaker 1: It might just be a technical thing, but it's a
25:11
Speaker 1: very wacky ass username that I cannot remember how to
25:14
Speaker 1: pronounce or spell.
25:16
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just I just occasionally message her so
25:20
Speaker 2: I can keep that username up in my DMS and
25:22
Speaker 2: I could just copy and paste.
25:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's just weird. It's like, it's probably
25:29
Speaker 1: the most esoteric. I'm sure it's the most esoteric pun
25:32
Speaker 1: ever created. And that's why she puts it everywhere. So
25:34
Speaker 1: she doesn't say if.
25:35
Speaker 2: Anybody figures it out, it'll be the end of the
25:37
Speaker 2: known universe.
25:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, But anyway, so, like, I think that
25:43
Speaker 1: whether or not Twitter is better, it depends on how
25:46
Speaker 1: you measure for better. So Thunderfoot's measurement for better in
25:49
Speaker 1: this case is better if it's not controlled by somebody
25:52
Speaker 1: he hates Elon Musk uh and it makes more money
25:56
Speaker 1: because his whole thing is the value has gone down,
25:59
Speaker 1: therefore or website bad. When Elon musk took it, he
26:03
Speaker 1: said he didn't care about how much money it would make.
26:06
Speaker 1: He has said this repeatedly that he cares about what
26:09
Speaker 1: the platform does in terms of what it is, like
26:12
Speaker 1: whether or not it functions as it's supposed to. So
26:16
Speaker 1: I think in that regard it does do well. So anyway,
26:22
Speaker 1: should we continue, right?
26:24
Speaker 2: And I don't think I don't think Elon took over
26:27
Speaker 2: Twitter to make money.
26:28
Speaker 1: Sorry, no, he doesn't need to. He already took like
26:32
Speaker 1: all of the freaking climate activist money when he made
26:35
Speaker 1: his cars, so like, yeah, so I'm saying he doesn't
26:39
Speaker 1: have to like he's he's perfectly content. In fact, I don't.
26:44
Speaker 1: I don't follow Musk that closely on social media, but
26:48
Speaker 1: I see him around every so often. I've never seen
26:51
Speaker 1: somebody more animated about the future than him in recent
26:55
Speaker 1: like days, and I don't. I mean, he's like, he's
26:58
Speaker 1: such a child. It's it's really funny to watch him.
27:01
Speaker 1: I show Lindsay like pictures of him or video clips
27:04
Speaker 1: of him getting excited about stuff, and I'm like, look
27:06
Speaker 1: at this guy is kind Look honestly, he's a weirdo,
27:09
Speaker 1: but it's a bit endearing, Like he's like this awkward
27:14
Speaker 1: nerd and it's but anyway, it's uh, I think that
27:18
Speaker 1: he thinks he's doing the right thing, and I think
27:19
Speaker 1: that's good.
27:20
Speaker 4: So mm hmm, Well this means no.
27:25
Speaker 2: Get through this. Yeah, actually has really cool for America.
27:30
Speaker 1: What he did to Twitter. Yep, So so okay, Thunderfoot
27:35
Speaker 1: says he's going to do to he's promising to do
27:39
Speaker 1: to America what he did to Twitter. Now that see
27:42
Speaker 1: the framing. Okay, so Thunderfoot says he ruined Twitter because
27:46
Speaker 1: Twitter is less profitable even though it's more free, and
27:50
Speaker 1: he's gonna do with the same And what what Elon
27:52
Speaker 1: Musk means by that when he says he's going to
27:54
Speaker 1: do it, is that he's going to help cut the fat,
27:57
Speaker 1: right Like like the government, the federal government in particular
28:01
Speaker 1: has probably thousands of people working there that don't do
28:04
Speaker 1: anything but collect a check. And I've seen lots of
28:07
Speaker 1: people talk and we know that this happens. We know
28:09
Speaker 1: that that is the nature of the state, right like
28:12
Speaker 1: anybody who it doesn't matter who's in office, So this
28:15
Speaker 1: isn't something that has to do with a particular party affiliation.
28:19
Speaker 1: The federal government or governments in general are full of
28:22
Speaker 1: people that don't do anything and they collect a paycheck,
28:25
Speaker 1: and that paycheck is taxpayer money. So if you can
28:28
Speaker 1: get rid of those people that aren't doing anything and
28:30
Speaker 1: you basically streamline your government, or you could treat it
28:33
Speaker 1: like your business, there's probably people. You know, what's the
28:36
Speaker 1: Pareto principle. Twenty percent of the people do eighty percent
28:39
Speaker 1: of the work. So that means there's a bunch of
28:41
Speaker 1: people out of business that aren't doing much of anything,
28:43
Speaker 1: and you could probably get rid of them. I mean,
28:45
Speaker 1: that's just a fact of life, right, So why wouldn't
28:47
Speaker 1: that also be true for the state. So he did
28:49
Speaker 1: that on Twitter. He got rid of a bunch of
28:51
Speaker 1: people that weren't doing anything, probably a bunch of college
28:54
Speaker 1: educated women that were just going in there and having
28:56
Speaker 1: their avocado toast and their you know, soy pumpkin latte,
29:00
Speaker 1: and they were like going to the roof and going
29:02
Speaker 1: to meetings and playing fucking you know with the what
29:06
Speaker 1: do you call that, the hockey thing, like the air
29:10
Speaker 1: hockey and whatever the little games they have. And he
29:13
Speaker 1: basically said, yeah, these people were why are we paying them?
29:15
Speaker 1: Get rid of them? And they did. And so he's like,
29:17
Speaker 1: we're gonna do the same thing with government, which is like,
29:20
Speaker 1: if you're a libertarian or you have libertarian leanings, that
29:23
Speaker 1: should sound like a dream come cru almost an impossible one.
29:26
Speaker 1: But Thunderfoot doesn't like that. Do you guys know why
29:29
Speaker 1: Thunderfoot doesn't like that? Can you guys? Can you get
29:32
Speaker 1: can you guess why Thunderfoot doesn't like that? Why does
29:35
Speaker 1: Thunderfoot not like the idea of someone getting rid of
29:39
Speaker 1: useless government jobs? What why does he not like the
29:42
Speaker 1: idea of shrinking the state? Anybody?
29:46
Speaker 2: Anybody? Well, I'm the only one in the room with you, Brian,
29:49
Speaker 2: do you want me to.
29:50
Speaker 1: I know, I'm looking at the chat. No you stepped away,
29:52
Speaker 1: so I felt.
29:52
Speaker 2: Like I had to mark no, no, no. I can
29:55
Speaker 2: hear you when I walk.
29:56
Speaker 1: Around, and so I just why do you think that
30:00
Speaker 1: that is? Why do you think Thunderfoot dislikes this idea
30:05
Speaker 1: of shrinking the state?
30:07
Speaker 2: Do you know, Alison, I'm guessing because he gets a
30:10
Speaker 2: paycheck from.
30:11
Speaker 1: The state, That's right, ding ding ding ding. Thunderfoot gets
30:15
Speaker 1: money from the government. So Thunderfoot is he he Well,
30:19
Speaker 1: he's an atheist that worships the state, but he gets
30:22
Speaker 1: paid by the state. Elon Musk got money from the state.
30:24
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's not the case. Obviously, Tesla
30:27
Speaker 1: got Every corporation gets money from the state. But I
30:31
Speaker 1: think that he is okay with working to reduce the
30:34
Speaker 1: need for that, because otherwise he wouldn't be interested in
30:37
Speaker 1: shrinking the state. But Thunderfoot despises that idea. A lot
30:41
Speaker 1: of scientists, especially, they get a lot of grants from
30:44
Speaker 1: the state. Do you know what they spend that money on.
30:46
Speaker 1: Have you seen some of the stuff. I think it
30:49
Speaker 1: was vivek Ramaswami and Elon Musk, but specificly vivig Ramaswami
30:53
Speaker 1: looked at what science grants that the federal government pays
30:57
Speaker 1: into are used for. It's things like putting monkeys on
31:00
Speaker 1: cocaine to see how they act. It's putting shrimps on
31:03
Speaker 1: like treadmills to see how they know, I'm serious, to
31:06
Speaker 1: track their heart rate. Like these are things nobody asked
31:09
Speaker 1: for what and they're spending like millions of dollars on this.
31:15
Speaker 1: So like it's like, well, do we need to know
31:18
Speaker 1: how monkeys would act on crack? Or at least would
31:21
Speaker 1: we need to spend this much money to figure that out?
31:23
Speaker 1: Can we just you know, like I mean, I would.
31:26
Speaker 1: I think it could make for funny videos, but I
31:29
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't want to put I don't want
31:31
Speaker 1: to put monkeys on crack. A lot of.
31:35
Speaker 2: There's a lot of problems with academia.
31:37
Speaker 1: Now, yes, and they hate that too, that they they
31:42
Speaker 1: they're like I said, they worship the state.
31:45
Speaker 2: Well there's a lot of like just entrenched bullshit, And
31:51
Speaker 2: I'm actually, Karen would be much better to talk on
31:54
Speaker 2: this because she actually had a friendship with an oncologist
32:00
Speaker 2: who talked about how much absolute crap is being funded
32:04
Speaker 2: in terms of research as long as it fits within
32:08
Speaker 2: the particular framework that's dominant. And yeah, I mean this
32:13
Speaker 2: is a that's a very long conversation to have.
32:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just I'm just saying like thirty seconds in
32:21
Speaker 1: really no to simplify it. Okay, Elon Musk is saying
32:25
Speaker 1: we're going to shrink the government like I shrank Twitter,
32:27
Speaker 1: and Thunderfoot is trying to suggest that would be disastrous
32:31
Speaker 1: because Twitter is in a disastrous state right now. Have
32:34
Speaker 1: you been to the wasteland that is now Twitter where
32:37
Speaker 1: no one is there and no one's having a conversation
32:40
Speaker 1: and there's no free speech. Obviously that's incorrect. This is the.
32:44
Speaker 3: Reality of what the people voted for. Oh maybe it's
32:49
Speaker 3: not quite so clear cut. Maybe we'll come back to
32:51
Speaker 3: this later. And Trump just published his family photo where
32:56
Speaker 3: curiously absentaur is wife and vice president. But Elon Musk,
33:01
Speaker 3: he's that fresh from a powdering his nose.
33:05
Speaker 1: Huh.
33:05
Speaker 3: So Trump's now polling around.
33:08
Speaker 1: So again he's trying to suggest Elon Musk is hanging
33:10
Speaker 1: out doing cocaine with Trump or something. I don't know
33:12
Speaker 1: if you guys know, but Trump is pretty straight edge.
33:14
Speaker 1: He doesn't do anything. He doesn't even drink, so I
33:18
Speaker 1: think it's kind of weird. But again, this is like
33:21
Speaker 1: these are This is like a big stretch. He's trying
33:23
Speaker 1: to find ways to just credit this guy that he hates,
33:26
Speaker 1: and honestly, I don't I don't know why he hates
33:29
Speaker 1: him so much. I I honestly thought, you know that,
33:33
Speaker 1: you know, it would be like, I don't know, here's
33:36
Speaker 1: this here's a guy doing science and he's more popular
33:39
Speaker 1: than me. So it's weird, okay, So Elon Musk. Also,
33:46
Speaker 1: he he did a thing where he talked about I
33:49
Speaker 1: don't know if we can talk about the Auchi Fauci,
33:52
Speaker 1: the Fauci Auci, but he talked a little bit about
33:55
Speaker 1: this gain of function research where he said, is like
33:58
Speaker 1: a buzz comy term that just means like death science,
34:03
Speaker 1: the science of killing people, which is what Fauci was
34:06
Speaker 1: involved with. And again a Thunderfoot loves doctor Fauci because
34:11
Speaker 1: doctor Fauci is another one of these government funded science people,
34:15
Speaker 1: and he and dark Matter were all about the jabs
34:19
Speaker 1: and the masks and the lockdowns and all of that.
34:23
Speaker 1: So they were completely behind all of that shit with
34:26
Speaker 1: the koof that we went through, and they cannot back up.
34:29
Speaker 1: They can't go back and say, shit, dude, we were wrong,
34:31
Speaker 1: we fucked up. No, they have to double down. So
34:34
Speaker 1: now it's like, yeah, everyone, everyone who didn't do is
34:37
Speaker 1: they were told by the science. They're all suffering now
34:41
Speaker 1: and it's all this and that and then, and they
34:43
Speaker 1: have to do that because science is their god and
34:45
Speaker 1: they have to worship at the feet of science. And
34:47
Speaker 1: that includes doctor Fauci and his experiments on beagles and whatnot.
34:52
Speaker 1: All of that is completely valid and it has to
34:54
Speaker 1: be Meanwhile, that also includes things like chemically castrating children
34:59
Speaker 1: by giving them drugs that mess with their hormones. That
35:02
Speaker 1: I mean, like he has to go with it because
35:04
Speaker 1: it's science, and he has to go with the science
35:07
Speaker 1: at all times. I think I think Musk is actually
35:09
Speaker 1: starting to question that, although you know, he's still more
35:13
Speaker 1: science minded than anything else, but he's at least questioning that,
35:16
Speaker 1: or at least understanding that there is such a thing
35:18
Speaker 1: as good science and bad science. So there is that
35:22
Speaker 1: because again, his own child, Musk's child was put through
35:27
Speaker 1: the you know, hormone replacement therapy thing, and he's like,
35:31
Speaker 1: they killed my kid and I went along with it.
35:33
Speaker 1: And of course this is part of what is driving him.
35:35
Speaker 1: He is angry because one of his children was put
35:39
Speaker 1: through this system. So another reason for Thunderfoot to hate him,
35:43
Speaker 1: I guess, because again he's not he's not loyal to
35:47
Speaker 1: the science. So all right, So.
35:52
Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, as far as I can tell
35:54
Speaker 2: the only in the first one minute, and we got
35:57
Speaker 2: twenty seven minutes to go, I have a hard limit.
35:59
Speaker 2: I gotta go, So.
36:02
Speaker 1: I'd tell oh, I can jump ahead, I can jump
36:05
Speaker 1: ahead to something else.
36:06
Speaker 2: This is what I want. I just want him to
36:10
Speaker 2: make a criticism that is engageable, because the thing is
36:16
Speaker 2: that when he says, oh, to Elon has made it
36:20
Speaker 2: so that Twitter is eighty percent less profitable. Well, Elon
36:23
Speaker 2: didn't go into Twitter to make a profit. And so
36:27
Speaker 2: if he's going to be involved in improving the States,
36:32
Speaker 2: I guess he's not going in to make a profit, right,
36:36
Speaker 2: I would one would assume that's not what you want
36:39
Speaker 2: from a politician's He's going in to uphold principles, and
36:43
Speaker 2: the principle he upheld on Twitter hopefully was freedom of speech.
36:48
Speaker 2: I know I felt that, but maybe it's just because
36:50
Speaker 2: I'm part of the cultists that I actually felt relief
36:55
Speaker 2: that I could actually talk on Twitter for once. And
36:58
Speaker 2: that's obviously an ex ample of me being part of
37:01
Speaker 2: a cult, I guess. But regardless. So this criticism on
37:05
Speaker 2: its face is just doesn't have merit. So is there.
37:08
Speaker 2: Let's just go to the next criticism. Can we do that?
37:11
Speaker 1: All right? I'll go to the political landscape, Trump and immigration.
37:14
Speaker 1: So this is going to be about Trump. I'm sorry,
37:19
Speaker 1: maybe let me just make sure that's where this is.
37:25
Speaker 1: Fifty Okay, let's see.
37:28
Speaker 3: Has an eight chance of survival it. You know, it's
37:33
Speaker 3: funny when Brechett won some decade ago now, the internet
37:36
Speaker 3: was full of uly udly, obnoxious, gleeful, gloating morons with
37:42
Speaker 3: we won, you lost, get over it, cope harder, so
37:48
Speaker 3: worth it all the liberal tas.
37:51
Speaker 1: June the twenty third go down, Bazza all right. So
37:55
Speaker 1: as Brexit, of course, like I said, Thoughderfoot hates that
37:58
Speaker 1: we voted Brexit, they just wanted to be out of
38:01
Speaker 1: the European Union, and I don't blame them.
38:03
Speaker 3: And the years went by, and the glee turned to
38:07
Speaker 3: h gloom and the gloating turn to well, it's not
38:12
Speaker 3: as bad as the worst predictions. If on March twenty
38:15
Speaker 3: next year we leave the treats is even if it
38:17
Speaker 3: is a bad deal, even if we're in a rotten place,
38:19
Speaker 3: we will historically have left the treat to ultimately the
38:23
Speaker 3: sad reality of well, we voted for it, so I
38:26
Speaker 3: guess we're gonna have to live with it.
38:28
Speaker 4: It has failed, breaksit has failed.
38:31
Speaker 2: That's why I staggering new poll published by unheard.
38:35
Speaker 1: This is really disingenuous editing. But okay, he talks about Brexit.
38:39
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I had the wrong time code, but I
38:41
Speaker 1: will say something about this. Why does Thunderfoot support not
38:46
Speaker 1: leaving the European Union? Again, it comes down to him
38:49
Speaker 1: getting money from governments. He doesn't actually give a shit
38:52
Speaker 1: about like British people not wanting to essentially have to
38:56
Speaker 1: bend the need of some foreign government in Brussels when
38:59
Speaker 1: they can like govern themselves. It's another it's another appeal
39:04
Speaker 1: to larger government with more overreach in the same way,
39:07
Speaker 1: you know, he's all about the federal government. I'm more
39:10
Speaker 1: in favor of, like you know, state governments, which is
39:13
Speaker 1: what the whole Roe v. Wade thing was about. And
39:16
Speaker 1: in terms of this, he's like, oh, we're gonna suffer.
39:18
Speaker 1: And of course he's saying that, Oh, look at these poles.
39:21
Speaker 1: He makes these appeals to, like you know, these polls
39:24
Speaker 1: and this and these media reportings. Oh, the experts said
39:27
Speaker 1: that it's bad for British people, so it must be
39:29
Speaker 1: bad for British people, instead of actually, like, I don't know,
39:32
Speaker 1: talking to British people, I mean the media. Really, you're
39:34
Speaker 1: gonna appeal to media experts. Have we not learned anything
39:39
Speaker 1: about how much they lie?
39:41
Speaker 5: But anyways, liberal in the universe Trump two point zero.
39:51
Speaker 5: He's break sit on steroids and I have no doubt whatsoever.
39:56
Speaker 1: In the so he's certain that Trump, uh, this new administration,
40:01
Speaker 1: which he believes is worse than the last one. I
40:03
Speaker 1: think it's a lot better than the last one. Personally,
40:05
Speaker 1: the picks so far, and it's gonna be disastrous. So
40:09
Speaker 1: I guess the apocalypse is coming for us. Thank you
40:11
Speaker 1: for telling us how bad it's going to be for us.
40:14
Speaker 1: Foreign man from another country, Well, I'm I'm a.
40:17
Speaker 2: Foreign person from another country.
40:19
Speaker 1: Do you think it's gonna be bad?
40:20
Speaker 2: For us, Allison, consider the alternative.
40:25
Speaker 1: Honestly, oh oh, are you saying that there were two
40:28
Speaker 1: choices and we had to choose between two things, and
40:31
Speaker 1: that like most Americans made a rational decision and they
40:35
Speaker 1: wanted to like, oh, I don't know have and I
40:37
Speaker 1: got to go through the list again. Guys, I'm sorry.
40:40
Speaker 1: It was lower better economy, more jobs, bringing productivity back
40:45
Speaker 1: to the state. It's a closed border, lower gas prices,
40:48
Speaker 1: affordable groceries, affordable housing versus abortions. That that was it.
40:55
Speaker 1: That was the comparison, and people chose these things over this,
41:00
Speaker 1: even women, even women didn't buy into the abortion argument
41:03
Speaker 1: because they were like, well, I don't need the state
41:05
Speaker 1: involved with that.
41:06
Speaker 2: Well, I you don't need the federal estate, like you
41:08
Speaker 2: don't need the you know, yeah, federal administration involved in that.
41:13
Speaker 2: But I could have told you that the abortion issue
41:16
Speaker 2: was a terrible issue to try to run on, because well,
41:24
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, okay, let me let me just speak
41:28
Speaker 2: and then and then respond the the the reason why
41:33
Speaker 2: the abortion issue was terrible is because it's the one
41:38
Speaker 2: issue that you will galvanize the most women to vote against.
41:44
Speaker 2: There are far more women against abortion and in any circumstance.
41:50
Speaker 2: So these are the women you are going to galvanize
41:52
Speaker 2: to vote against a candidate that's pro abortion. And they
41:55
Speaker 2: didn't even consider that because they think of women as
41:58
Speaker 2: a monolith. They think of it women as a liberal monolith,
42:03
Speaker 2: that women are all just one thing, and if you're
42:06
Speaker 2: not a woman, that's all that one thing that they've
42:08
Speaker 2: assigned you to, you get to go get stoned, not
42:12
Speaker 2: not not in the good way, you know, in the
42:14
Speaker 2: pointy rock way, like yeah, that's that is. I mean,
42:18
Speaker 2: I've experienced that because I exist outside of the monolithic
42:23
Speaker 2: view of womanhood and the expectations of women. I'm not
42:27
Speaker 2: I'm not pro life. I'm actually pro choice, but I
42:30
Speaker 2: exist outside of that in other ways, you know, like
42:33
Speaker 2: questioning constantly attributing victimhood to women, you know, that kind
42:37
Speaker 2: of thing. And I've experienced the kind of shit you
42:40
Speaker 2: get when that happens. But I could have told them,
42:43
Speaker 2: like why would you make abortion your platform? And I
42:47
Speaker 2: don't even I don't even know if there was another
42:49
Speaker 2: policy issue that they really pushed aside from that, aside
42:54
Speaker 2: from Man Bad and Orange Man especially bad, like.
43:00
Speaker 1: Anyway, yeah, well yeah, but I was just say I'm Basically,
43:05
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that like the reason why they
43:08
Speaker 1: had the Roe v. Wade thing was it was their
43:11
Speaker 1: only leverage or their only tool, was because they had
43:14
Speaker 1: already alienated and demonized and schat on men for like
43:19
Speaker 1: the whole time. I mean like even before Trump ran
43:21
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, they were doing that, and so it
43:23
Speaker 1: was like, well, they couldn't even they didn't even have
43:27
Speaker 1: a way to appeal to the male voter. They were like,
43:29
Speaker 1: what do we do with about the men? The men
43:31
Speaker 1: aren't coming out, Well, we should shame them and blame
43:33
Speaker 1: them and call them names and then they'll come out
43:35
Speaker 1: and vote for us, or we should tell them that
43:38
Speaker 1: it's their responsibility to step up and like protect the
43:40
Speaker 1: women in their life. And it was just just men
43:42
Speaker 1: just were like nah, fuck that. I mean some men did.
43:45
Speaker 1: There were definitely white dudes for Harris or whatever, but
43:48
Speaker 1: most men were like nah, they either stayed home or
43:51
Speaker 1: they voted for Trump. And why not. I mean, like
43:54
Speaker 1: I said, I don't think it's irrational. This is another
43:57
Speaker 1: thing that Thunderfoot and Black Dark Matter twenty five do
44:01
Speaker 1: is they say, oh, well there it's a cult, and
44:02
Speaker 1: it's like, you mean a cult. That's more than half
44:04
Speaker 1: of the US population that came out and voted. And
44:09
Speaker 1: not only do we get the electoral vote, we got
44:11
Speaker 1: the popular vote. That's the cult. I mean the car guys.
44:15
Speaker 2: I mean, there's one issue that I would have supported
44:18
Speaker 2: Muskin and Trump on, and that's just free speech.
44:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, here was it. All other rights will basically bleed
44:27
Speaker 1: forth from that. And that's what I mean. At the
44:29
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's like you said, it comes
44:31
Speaker 1: down to two people. And that's the thing too, is
44:33
Speaker 1: that in both of these videos, there is one other
44:35
Speaker 1: thing that doesn't come up. They don't make the case
44:37
Speaker 1: for Harris. They just make the case against Trump, and
44:40
Speaker 1: their case against Trump is not very strong. So it's like, well,
44:43
Speaker 1: then you're not for anything. You're just saying, well, I
44:46
Speaker 1: know a CDs, it's just TDS.
44:49
Speaker 2: I'm pissed off at the current situation. That's great. Well,
44:55
Speaker 2: I guess if you are going to say that my
44:58
Speaker 2: putting free speech first, as in everybody should be able
45:02
Speaker 2: to speak, and all of the stuff that I have
45:04
Speaker 2: seen in my years of watching this, including a bunch
45:11
Speaker 2: of hippies from the Church of Weed, a Indian American
45:16
Speaker 2: senatorial candidate and what was the other one? Like a
45:19
Speaker 2: bunch of free speech nerds being labeled Nazis by the
45:24
Speaker 2: friking Do you remember the Boston thing?
45:26
Speaker 1: I didn't.
45:27
Speaker 2: They and the media labeled them Nazis and they had
45:30
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people descend on them. They were so
45:34
Speaker 2: lucky violence didn't break out. And why did they get
45:38
Speaker 2: labeled Nazis because they weren't. The media completely silenced them.
45:42
Speaker 2: They couldn't even express themselves and who they are, horror
45:45
Speaker 2: and what they believed in Number one, why do I
45:47
Speaker 2: believe in free speech because the people the media labels
45:51
Speaker 2: Nazis might not be Nazis at all. That's an incredible
45:55
Speaker 2: power and the only way to confront it and diffuse
45:58
Speaker 2: it is free speech. Everybody has the right to speak, okay,
46:05
Speaker 2: and free speech is free speech. They people on the
46:09
Speaker 2: other side talk about free speeches and consequence free Well,
46:12
Speaker 2: then it's not free speech.
46:15
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
46:16
Speaker 2: Like seriously, you read you do not counter hate speech
46:21
Speaker 2: with censorship, You counter it with facts and logic.
46:26
Speaker 1: Better speech, and you think that's what it is.
46:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, let's so on that issue alone. I
46:33
Speaker 2: am one hundred in the camp of Elon Musk and Trump.
46:37
Speaker 2: You don't even have to bring anything up. And incidentally,
46:40
Speaker 2: I know that Brian is probably going to be annoyed
46:43
Speaker 2: if I bring this up. I have probably have the
46:47
Speaker 2: worst experience from one of potentially Trump's policies, which is
46:51
Speaker 2: the complexity of that. That situation is becoming more and
46:55
Speaker 2: more apparent because we've also run a foul of the
46:58
Speaker 2: Department of Homeland Secure, so it might have been something
47:01
Speaker 2: going on there too. But I've had a very negative
47:06
Speaker 2: experience as a direct result of presumably Trump's memo to
47:10
Speaker 2: the Northern Border. I was banned from the US for
47:13
Speaker 2: five years. And I can still say, being somebody whose
47:17
Speaker 2: life was directly impacted by one of Trump's policies, I'd
47:22
Speaker 2: still support him because he is pro free speech.
47:27
Speaker 1: Right.
47:27
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter even even at the cost of my
47:31
Speaker 2: own personal cost. You can ban me again, Trump, as
47:34
Speaker 2: long as you bring free speech back to to to
47:37
Speaker 2: get to the US and Twitter, that's fine, all right,
47:42
Speaker 2: let's go, all right, wasn't it personally? I just no.
47:45
Speaker 1: I know he wasn't sitting there going is that Alison
47:48
Speaker 1: timen ban her five years? He had no idea? All right,
47:54
Speaker 1: slow loose with that we won, you lost.
47:58
Speaker 3: Cope Harder comments, well you're about to win to the
48:01
Speaker 3: uh find out part of the chart. You see, turkeys
48:06
Speaker 3: can quite happily vote for Christmas. It's quite possible to
48:10
Speaker 3: win the popular vote. And for people to sit there
48:13
Speaker 3: with that shit he didn't grill on their face and
48:15
Speaker 3: a hole in the foot.
48:16
Speaker 1: H I'm not interesting, Yeah, I know, but he's basically looked.
48:20
Speaker 1: Thunderfoot's ultimate conclusion is everybody's dumb because they don't vote
48:24
Speaker 1: the way I vote. That's it. That's his thing, Like
48:26
Speaker 1: why don't why why are you all dumb? You're you're
48:29
Speaker 1: killing yourselves. This is really stupid. And that's it. And
48:33
Speaker 1: and the thing is the guy just keeps losing like
48:36
Speaker 1: he just like he's you know, I'm I'm never when
48:40
Speaker 1: when twenty twenty happened, Okay, just as a to clarify,
48:45
Speaker 1: when twenty twenty happened and we lost, I was very
48:49
Speaker 1: suspicious about shit that went down, But I didn't go
48:52
Speaker 1: online and cry. I didn't, like, you know, listen to
48:56
Speaker 1: the freakin' Barbie song that all the women are listening
48:59
Speaker 1: to now while like shaving my head and freaking out,
49:03
Speaker 1: I just said, okay, we'll just have to you know,
49:06
Speaker 1: hopefully there'll be an investigation, hopefully something will be discovered,
49:10
Speaker 1: and if not, hopefully we'll survive the next four years
49:12
Speaker 1: and then I'll just you know, try again in twenty
49:14
Speaker 1: twenty four. And that's what I did, and it went fine.
49:18
Speaker 1: And suddenly after that people are like, oh, wow, that's weird.
49:21
Speaker 1: The counts are really weird, Like there's an anomaly. In
49:24
Speaker 1: twenty twenty there were like seventeen million more votes that
49:27
Speaker 1: weren't there in any previous year or this year. It's
49:31
Speaker 1: like it's an anomaly. I wonder what that's about. And
49:34
Speaker 1: I just sort of like shrugged and said, Okay, well,
49:36
Speaker 1: I mean, like what's done is done. I'm not going
49:38
Speaker 1: to get mad about it. But I think that the
49:41
Speaker 1: Thunderfoot's just really good at just being wrong and he
49:45
Speaker 1: just continues to do that. And I think it's hubris.
49:48
Speaker 1: He just thinks he's smarter than everybody. He thinks he's
49:50
Speaker 1: smarter than Elon Musk, And I think that he's just
49:52
Speaker 1: a hater and that makes it really easy to like
49:55
Speaker 1: get bored of his content, because that's the ultimate goal
49:58
Speaker 1: is to be like, I hate this guy because he's
50:00
Speaker 1: doing well, and that's it, you know, all right, So I.
50:05
Speaker 2: Assume that he's judging Brexit by the principles of basically money.
50:11
Speaker 1: Right, whether or not he's yeah, basically his whole thing is, well,
50:16
Speaker 1: I'll put it this way. He doesn't think Brexit should
50:20
Speaker 1: have happened because he's I think that he benefit he
50:26
Speaker 1: personally benefits from like more you know, state funding. If
50:32
Speaker 1: he is part of a European Union, which the United
50:36
Speaker 1: Kingdom was until bregsit happened, and now that he is
50:41
Speaker 1: no longer part of that, he is resentful and he's
50:44
Speaker 1: trying to essentially do and setup and I told you
50:47
Speaker 1: so using the premise of something like GDP, this sort
50:51
Speaker 1: of abstract statistics and not like the principle of being
50:56
Speaker 1: you know, a country, a sovereign nation on its own.
50:59
Speaker 1: And I think that that's what he's working from. So
51:03
Speaker 1: it's like, find the conclusion. Conclusion is Brexit bad, and
51:06
Speaker 1: now I have to like work backwards to figure out
51:09
Speaker 1: how to like make the case for that.
51:12
Speaker 2: Well, but here's the thing, like you can also look
51:14
Speaker 2: at these things in terms of principles and not money.
51:16
Speaker 2: There was someone in our chat who said they came
51:19
Speaker 2: from a wealthy family but still support socialism and even
51:23
Speaker 2: though it doesn't matter, even though that that would result
51:27
Speaker 2: in them having a lower standard of living, And it's like, yes,
51:32
Speaker 2: then you understand the idea of putting principles before money
51:36
Speaker 2: or personal interest. Okay, that's well.
51:39
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're like super rich, then why don't
51:42
Speaker 1: you just give your money away instead of like advocating
51:46
Speaker 1: for a government that does it. No, I'm just saying,
51:48
Speaker 1: like you you think that this is a gotcha, like, oh,
51:51
Speaker 1: I got you. I'm rich and I believe in socialism. Well,
51:54
Speaker 1: then give your fucking money away, bitch. Yeah, put your
51:57
Speaker 1: money where your mouth is. Don't make the rest of
51:59
Speaker 1: us do it. You do it.
52:01
Speaker 2: That's not really the point that I wanted to make.
52:03
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but I'm just addressing.
52:06
Speaker 2: Self sacrifice for principles. So maybe Brexit is an issue
52:11
Speaker 2: of self sacrifice for principles. And it's funny because both
52:14
Speaker 2: sides can do this, they like they don't understand the
52:17
Speaker 2: other side on this level. And I'm not both siding
52:20
Speaker 2: because okay, let me put it this way, what's left
52:24
Speaker 2: of any kind of liberal principles looks at I don't
52:28
Speaker 2: even want to call it conservative principles. What what do
52:31
Speaker 2: we call Trump? Like constitutional?
52:34
Speaker 1: He's a he's look, he's just an American like he's
52:39
Speaker 1: a he's just a common sense guy. It's basically like a.
52:41
Speaker 2: You know, he's constitutionalist.
52:43
Speaker 1: Then you could I don't know that that's precise, but
52:46
Speaker 1: you could you could say that sure.
52:50
Speaker 2: Patriot, Okay, somebody who believes in these individual freedoms and
52:55
Speaker 2: trend and constitution all right, now, they you could understand
52:59
Speaker 2: why they would accept some kind of self sacrifice in
53:04
Speaker 2: order to pursue their principles. And the other side should
53:07
Speaker 2: understand that too. If you're all rich people who say, well,
53:10
Speaker 2: socialism is good and I'm willing to lose my money
53:14
Speaker 2: in order to get it, so you can understand why
53:16
Speaker 2: can't you Just anyway, I'm winding, Let's let's get back
53:20
Speaker 2: to the respect.
53:21
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to the bit about Trump. But
53:24
Speaker 1: let's keep going.
53:25
Speaker 3: After the last time Trump was president didn't and then disaster, right.
53:32
Speaker 1: Of course he shows January sixth, So this is his case,
53:35
Speaker 1: is that it's disaster because January sixth, Yeah, what about.
53:40
Speaker 2: The what about all the black Lives matter?
53:42
Speaker 1: Although no, that didn't happen Alison that had nothing to
53:44
Speaker 1: do with Trump.
53:45
Speaker 2: I mean, so you guys had a protest in a
53:47
Speaker 2: supposedly free country.
53:50
Speaker 1: Well, who does the capital belong to?
53:53
Speaker 2: So it should belong to the people, But this does
53:58
Speaker 2: This is what I don't understand. I have watched the footage.
54:00
Speaker 2: You had a protest at your capital. Please get over it.
54:06
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, people like Thunderfoot, like the rest
54:08
Speaker 1: of us, have gotten over it already. But like they
54:10
Speaker 1: just used this to poison the well. And it's so
54:13
Speaker 1: basically discredit people because there were riots all over the country,
54:17
Speaker 1: not just in America, in Canada for some reason, in
54:20
Speaker 1: the UK, like it was just all the Summer of
54:23
Speaker 1: Love was everywhere, okay. And also the capital was also attacked,
54:28
Speaker 1: like during that period or before that or something, but
54:31
Speaker 1: it had been attacked in the past. But that's not
54:33
Speaker 1: the thing that we have to relive every time somebody
54:35
Speaker 1: like Thunderfoot wants to make an argument. And January sixth,
54:39
Speaker 1: by the way, there there's plenty of evidence suggests that
54:42
Speaker 1: FEDS were there and it was all kinds of other
54:44
Speaker 1: shady shit. And the only person that died at that
54:47
Speaker 1: was one of the protesters, and she was killed by
54:50
Speaker 1: security at the at the White House. No congress people,
54:54
Speaker 1: no government people, none of that. No cops were killed,
54:57
Speaker 1: none of that happened. So it's just I mean, he's
55:00
Speaker 1: just again like I thought, I thought that that anybody
55:05
Speaker 1: at this point it's been what three years since this
55:09
Speaker 1: would be at least like curious enough to want to
55:12
Speaker 1: look into this again. But Thunderfoot isn't. And that's why
55:16
Speaker 1: I think this is boring because for him, this is
55:19
Speaker 1: all useful. He has a case he wants to make.
55:21
Speaker 1: Everything has to support his case. It doesn't matter if
55:24
Speaker 1: it's been debunked, it doesn't matter, you know, uh, if
55:27
Speaker 1: it's taken out of context, it doesn't matter if it
55:29
Speaker 1: if if the if the actual evidence completely you know,
55:34
Speaker 1: disproves his claims, he's going to use it anyway. So
55:38
Speaker 1: Elon Musk lands a racket backwards and Thunderfoot says, yeah,
55:41
Speaker 1: but he's still dumb because Twitter is not profitable. So
55:46
Speaker 1: I'm just, you know, it's it's just kind of exhausting.
55:49
Speaker 1: Oh I got a super chow. Look at that. Okay,
55:52
Speaker 1: I got a super child from Meredith Jee and she
55:55
Speaker 1: gives us five dollars and says, maintain a frame one
55:58
Speaker 1: twenty six. The problem with thunderfoots are about Brexit is
56:01
Speaker 1: there are indicators that the British government made it as
56:03
Speaker 1: painful as possible, so people would be willing to reverse
56:08
Speaker 1: that decision. The labor government is just ramping up those
56:10
Speaker 1: efforts to subvert the will of the people. Yes, of course,
56:14
Speaker 1: and Thunderfoot because again you could show him this stuff,
56:18
Speaker 1: he's not going to care because he wants to make
56:20
Speaker 1: the case that Brexit was a mistake. It doesn't matter
56:23
Speaker 1: how hard the government made it for people who voted
56:27
Speaker 1: for it. And obviously the government would do that because
56:30
Speaker 1: it has an interest in saying in the European Union
56:34
Speaker 1: that they don't care about their own citizens. They want
56:38
Speaker 1: this And the same thing is true for like the
56:40
Speaker 1: people who have run our government and other governments, they
56:44
Speaker 1: have no interest in making it smaller. They have no
56:46
Speaker 1: interest in trimming the fat. They have no interest in
56:49
Speaker 1: giving the people the power right back right, And this
56:54
Speaker 1: is why, like they can't stand the potentially incoming industration,
57:00
Speaker 1: whether or not it happens. They're terrified of it because
57:04
Speaker 1: like a lot of people with government jobs are gonna
57:05
Speaker 1: lose their jobs, and I fucking thank you. It's like,
57:09
Speaker 1: if we have any shot at like reducing our deficit
57:12
Speaker 1: or our debt or whatever, it's got to start there.
57:15
Speaker 1: We got to like trim the trim the fat big time.
57:17
Speaker 1: And people like you know, Thunderfoot, they don't like that
57:20
Speaker 1: because they're statists. Statists worship the state. There are no
57:23
Speaker 1: atheist guys, there's no such thing. You're gonna worship something,
57:27
Speaker 1: and most of the times, either you worship yourself, as
57:30
Speaker 1: in the case with all these woke game developers and
57:32
Speaker 1: writers and people that work in our in our creative industry,
57:36
Speaker 1: or you worship the state, as as with Dark Matter
57:39
Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty five and Thunderfoot. They're they're they're worshiped.
57:42
Speaker 1: They worship the state. They are the cult.
57:44
Speaker 2: So and I worship men.
57:46
Speaker 1: No, no, please, don't don't do that.
57:51
Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding. Well that's what they think I
57:53
Speaker 2: do as a pick. Yeah, I think I worship the truth. Honestly.
57:56
Speaker 1: Well that's the true. Yeah that there you go. That's
57:59
Speaker 1: that's that's a start.
58:02
Speaker 2: She's explaining about popping no pop filter and uh and
58:07
Speaker 2: no no and echoing I don't hear an echo at all.
58:11
Speaker 2: It was on the vertical chat. So I'm subtracting the
58:13
Speaker 2: special points. If you're on the horizontal.
58:16
Speaker 1: Looking at looking at the.
58:18
Speaker 2: Give us, give us a heads up. If we're actually
58:21
Speaker 2: doing some popping and echoing, because I don't hear it.
58:25
Speaker 1: You're probably going to be like this. People are saying,
58:31
Speaker 1: it sounds fine, that's.
58:32
Speaker 2: A pop filter. Okay, so I do have one terminator. Yeah,
58:38
Speaker 2: I mean, like, we can only do what we can do.
58:41
Speaker 2: I'm I am in a fairly large room, which might
58:44
Speaker 2: echo to somebody who has the hearing of like a
58:48
Speaker 2: nano ant. But it's like, what can I do about
58:52
Speaker 2: that unless I rebuild the entire building, you know.
58:55
Speaker 1: Anyway, let's uh, anyway, let's keep going.
58:59
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe it wasn't as bad as some people said
59:02
Speaker 3: it might be. Well, let's gloss over the lead, you know,
59:05
Speaker 3: the things that have changed, Like you now have an impulsive.
59:08
Speaker 1: Now they're saying, Donald, he's basically sharing again. This is okay.
59:11
Speaker 1: I think we can we can summarize his argument against Trump.
59:16
Speaker 1: So this is the thing that leftists, this is what
59:19
Speaker 1: and breaks it. It's all the same shit though, this
59:21
Speaker 1: is the thing that leftists do and what I mean,
59:23
Speaker 1: and I mean status as well. But leftists primarily they
59:27
Speaker 1: they appeal to authority all the time. They don't care
59:30
Speaker 1: how credible it is, but that's how they operate. So
59:33
Speaker 1: let's look at feminists so that people don't get triggered.
59:36
Speaker 1: But they're basically the same thing. How do feminists make
59:40
Speaker 1: their arguments, Well, they will say, we have a consensus
59:44
Speaker 1: from this authority, which is academia, and academia has put
59:48
Speaker 1: out a study, and this study is true because ninety
59:51
Speaker 1: seven percent of you know, experts agree that this is true,
59:55
Speaker 1: and so therefore you can't refute it. So and they'll
59:58
Speaker 1: say things like this core aren't ruled in favor of
1:00:01
Speaker 1: this thing because of this, therefore feminism is right. Okay,
1:00:05
Speaker 1: just using feminism an example. The left doesn't care about
1:00:08
Speaker 1: the truth. They care about consensus. They care about getting
1:00:12
Speaker 1: like to a you know, a truth that comes from
1:00:15
Speaker 1: a higher power which is like an earthly power which
1:00:18
Speaker 1: is like an expert or a journalist or an academic
1:00:22
Speaker 1: or an intellectual or a writer or a philosopher or whatever,
1:00:25
Speaker 1: as long as those people agree with them. And then
1:00:28
Speaker 1: they'll say, well, you know, like, what's the thing that
1:00:30
Speaker 1: destiny always brings up when it comes to immigration? He
1:00:33
Speaker 1: talks about the border bill, he says, oh, well, there
1:00:36
Speaker 1: was a border bill and Trump blocked it. Therefore he
1:00:38
Speaker 1: doesn't he actually doesn't care about immigration and will not
1:00:41
Speaker 1: listen to the fact that the problem with the border
1:00:44
Speaker 1: bill and caring can go into it, but I'm not
1:00:45
Speaker 1: going to go too long, is that there was billions
1:00:47
Speaker 1: of dollars in pork that was like money for Ukraine
1:00:51
Speaker 1: and money for programs that had nothing to do with
1:00:54
Speaker 1: the border whatsoever. And so essentially what it was was
1:00:57
Speaker 1: the the Senate or whatever they put together a bill
1:01:01
Speaker 1: and they were like, we will do this thing if
1:01:04
Speaker 1: you give us a bunch of money for this other shit,
1:01:06
Speaker 1: and that was why it was blocked. They're like, no, no, no,
1:01:08
Speaker 1: we don't want to spend more money. We don't want
1:01:11
Speaker 1: to give Zelenski billions more dollars. We want to close
1:01:14
Speaker 1: the border. This is completely irrelevant. So we're gonna block it,
1:01:17
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to draw up another bill in
1:01:19
Speaker 1: the future. Of course they never did, but now they
1:01:21
Speaker 1: had this they can always go back to and say, look,
1:01:23
Speaker 1: they don't actually care about this thing because we did
1:01:26
Speaker 1: this thing and they didn't go along with it. Of course,
1:01:28
Speaker 1: destiny being a moron, does not want to know. It's
1:01:31
Speaker 1: not just that he doesn't know that. He doesn't want
1:01:33
Speaker 1: to know that because he wants to win the argument,
1:01:36
Speaker 1: so he just goes with his whole Well, Trump blocked it,
1:01:39
Speaker 1: therefore he doesn't care. And this is the same with
1:01:41
Speaker 1: the convicted felon. So they got like the Justice apartment
1:01:44
Speaker 1: and they got a corrupt judge to throw a bunch
1:01:46
Speaker 1: of charges at him, and they took his picture. And
1:01:48
Speaker 1: now people like Thunderfoot are like, oh, look see he's
1:01:51
Speaker 1: a convicted villain. Therefore, and yet we still came out
1:01:53
Speaker 1: and voted for him because we knew the truth. We
1:01:56
Speaker 1: knew the truth was it was all bullshit, and so
1:01:59
Speaker 1: we had to, like, you know, come out and basically
1:02:01
Speaker 1: make our voices heard. And Thunderfoot can't handle it. So
1:02:04
Speaker 1: what is what does he have to conclude? He has
1:02:05
Speaker 1: to conclude that Americans are dumb because they voted for
1:02:09
Speaker 1: a convicted felon instead of like a fucking woman who
1:02:14
Speaker 1: nobody asked for, nobody voted for. Was simply put there
1:02:17
Speaker 1: a literal dei higher and we were supposed to elect that.
1:02:21
Speaker 1: And he's not gonna address that because that doesn't serve
1:02:23
Speaker 1: his argument. His argument is not Kamala is better, because
1:02:26
Speaker 1: he can't make that argument. His argument must be Trump
1:02:29
Speaker 1: supporters are dumb and they're in a cult. And that's
1:02:31
Speaker 1: that's why I said, this is boring. Like I've I've
1:02:35
Speaker 1: absolutely demolished these crazy, stupid arguments from these people a
1:02:39
Speaker 1: million times, and I'm just I'm ready to move on,
1:02:42
Speaker 1: but they're not, you know, yeah.
1:02:46
Speaker 2: Okay, Well let's uh okay, in the interest of actually
1:02:50
Speaker 2: getting through this video, is there another point where he
1:02:52
Speaker 2: makes a point.
1:02:55
Speaker 1: Well, I got another super child. Let me just read
1:02:57
Speaker 1: it really quick, Richard Beere for five dollars. He said,
1:03:00
Speaker 1: the thing about establishing a global government is that with
1:03:03
Speaker 1: the current infighting within every any given faction of the
1:03:06
Speaker 1: current society, how does anyone expect that that the there
1:03:11
Speaker 1: won't be the dividing into various factions all competing for
1:03:14
Speaker 1: the total power over everything, and that there won't be
1:03:17
Speaker 1: any infighting within each faction. Well, these people don't think
1:03:20
Speaker 1: that far ahead. And then, honestly, like these these people
1:03:23
Speaker 1: at the top, these people that want to be that
1:03:25
Speaker 1: are either in the sort of like elite class or
1:03:27
Speaker 1: they want to be in the elite class. They're really
1:03:29
Speaker 1: not concerned with how like people like me are affected
1:03:32
Speaker 1: by this stuff, like we're just the rabble, you know,
1:03:35
Speaker 1: like that, Like and that's what I'm saying again, like
1:03:37
Speaker 1: these people need to get out of these like out
1:03:40
Speaker 1: of this discussion. Like I'm sorry, but I don't give
1:03:43
Speaker 1: a fuck what like some British guy like somewhere else
1:03:47
Speaker 1: is saying about my country and what we're doing. I mean,
1:03:49
Speaker 1: obviously it's gonna affect everybody, but like if you're not
1:03:52
Speaker 1: going to be an adult and actually look at things
1:03:54
Speaker 1: objectively and you're just gonna do this shit where you're like,
1:03:57
Speaker 1: oh for convicted villain. Hr uh, yeah, you're not a
1:04:01
Speaker 1: serious person. So oh yeah, Jojo is here by the way, Yeah,
1:04:06
Speaker 1: he's here to take the edge off. All right. Let
1:04:09
Speaker 1: me let me jump up to another.
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Speaker 2: Little vertical put him in the h I guess you can't.
1:04:13
Speaker 1: It would be a lot of work. I do that
1:04:15
Speaker 1: right now, but and there's not a lot of real estate.
1:04:19
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can.
1:04:20
Speaker 2: I think we hit our big numbers when we have
1:04:21
Speaker 2: a doggo.
1:04:23
Speaker 1: You think, yeah, maybe, okay, so let's go to fascism
1:04:29
Speaker 1: and popularity, because of course we got to go there, right,
1:04:32
Speaker 1: because that this is this is what serious people do.
1:04:34
Speaker 1: They talk about fascism. So let's see. Well, I mean
1:04:40
Speaker 1: that's what we requested of us.
1:04:42
Speaker 2: An argument for it, No, a legitimate okay.
1:04:46
Speaker 3: No, illegal immigrants most of them have jobs in America
1:04:51
Speaker 3: and paid tankious if you.
1:04:52
Speaker 1: Do, that's not true, you can't you. Yeah, he says
1:04:56
Speaker 1: that illegal immigrants have jobs and pay taxes, like you
1:04:59
Speaker 1: literally really can't track it. How would you know?
1:05:03
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be counter like, so an illegal immigrant is
1:05:07
Speaker 2: going to pay taxes? Wouldn't that just why.
1:05:09
Speaker 1: Would they report it?
1:05:11
Speaker 3: Well?
1:05:11
Speaker 1: No, because he was told by the media said that
1:05:16
Speaker 1: they pay taxes, so he believes it the media tax
1:05:22
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, I guess they pay sales tax.
1:05:24
Speaker 1: I mean you kind of have to, but like not
1:05:26
Speaker 1: every state has them. It doesn't matter though, Like who
1:05:28
Speaker 1: cares if they pay taxes? Okay, so why why does
1:05:31
Speaker 1: what does what does that mean? Like they should still
1:05:32
Speaker 1: go back? I don't know why? What is the matter?
1:05:35
Speaker 2: Okay? Patrick Krueger says a president who wants to consolidate
1:05:38
Speaker 2: power is the fucking definition of fascism? Does he though?
1:05:42
Speaker 2: Because okay, let me just as an objective observer. I'm
1:05:45
Speaker 2: not totally up on all American politics, as I'm a
1:05:48
Speaker 2: Canadian and I have my own we have our own
1:05:52
Speaker 2: cross to bearish, let's put it that way. But it
1:05:56
Speaker 2: seems to me that Trump wants to promote constitution and
1:06:03
Speaker 2: constitutional rights and states rights, which.
1:06:06
Speaker 1: Is they try to increase free speech. I understand that
1:06:12
Speaker 1: his speech.
1:06:13
Speaker 2: Was I want to protect the First Amendment right free speech.
1:06:17
Speaker 2: And then also his tendencies towards giving more power to
1:06:23
Speaker 2: the states and deregulating business. This is, these are things
1:06:28
Speaker 2: that are actually reducing centralization of power. Don't you think, like,
1:06:32
Speaker 2: I mean, can you explain to me why that that
1:06:34
Speaker 2: has become centralizing power? Because I've seen I've like I
1:06:39
Speaker 2: look through political system throughout history. So for example, uh,
1:06:44
Speaker 2: Louis the fourteenth he centralized power by bringing all of
1:06:49
Speaker 2: the government to Versailles where he could keep an eye
1:06:53
Speaker 2: on it. Right, So that's that's like bringing everything into
1:06:56
Speaker 2: a central point, which is not the same as you know,
1:07:01
Speaker 2: saying we should have rule by law. You know, it's
1:07:04
Speaker 2: rule no, so a rule of law. So wanting to
1:07:08
Speaker 2: promote the constitution is rule of law, so the law
1:07:12
Speaker 2: applies to everyone and everybody has the freedoms afforded by
1:07:16
Speaker 2: the Constitution. Wanting to put governments more local is the
1:07:22
Speaker 2: opposite of centralization. So just I mean, I I from
1:07:25
Speaker 2: my position, that seems to be wrong. Your assertion seems
1:07:29
Speaker 2: to be incorrect. But maybe I'm wrong.
1:07:32
Speaker 1: Well se well, we don't know if when he said that,
1:07:35
Speaker 1: if he was just sort of like trying to redefine it,
1:07:37
Speaker 1: or if he was trying to like label Trump with that,
1:07:40
Speaker 1: because I mean, I I anyway, we can just keep going.
1:07:43
Speaker 3: This is America's tax revenue will drop by about one
1:07:46
Speaker 3: hundred billion dollars. Additionally, you're looking at chopping some ten
1:07:52
Speaker 3: percent out of the vehicles, which would cripple the economy.
1:07:56
Speaker 3: Economies are like living organisms. You can't just cut off
1:08:00
Speaker 3: a head or whatever.
1:08:02
Speaker 1: And the only jobs that are going to be lost
1:08:04
Speaker 1: our government jobs. Again, let let us.
1:08:07
Speaker 2: Are our immigrants actually taking government jobs?
1:08:12
Speaker 1: Well? Probably, I mean, like if you think about it,
1:08:15
Speaker 1: they I mean, I don't know.
1:08:17
Speaker 2: It's more holistically, all right, you realize that people are
1:08:22
Speaker 2: a resource, right, and what is happening is the West
1:08:30
Speaker 2: is appropriating resources from other countries so they can't actually
1:08:34
Speaker 2: use those resources the better themselves and not only are
1:08:37
Speaker 2: we appropriating resources from other countries, we're doing so in
1:08:41
Speaker 2: such a way that we're destroying the source of these resources.
1:08:45
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is when the cultures
1:08:48
Speaker 2: that are actually reproducing send their children to our culture,
1:08:55
Speaker 2: they also stop reproducing. So we are actually spreading a problem.
1:09:01
Speaker 2: We're like infecting other cultures with our problem. You bring
1:09:07
Speaker 2: them in, we infect them with their problem, and we
1:09:10
Speaker 2: only have the like for a moment, we're okay because
1:09:13
Speaker 2: we've we've I don't know, we've put a plaster on
1:09:17
Speaker 2: the hemorrhage of our own problem. Do you get what
1:09:20
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Brian, or and like being too.
1:09:21
Speaker 1: Weird, can you rephrase it a little bit?
1:09:27
Speaker 2: It okay, okay? Right, the West has a problem, and
1:09:31
Speaker 2: that problem you look at we were sharing the birth
1:09:35
Speaker 2: rates of Europe right m and almost everywhere is below
1:09:39
Speaker 2: represent below replacement. Everywhere below replacement in Europe. So they
1:09:44
Speaker 2: have to import people to keep up a population, to
1:09:47
Speaker 2: maintain their infrastructure, et cetera. But when they import people,
1:09:52
Speaker 2: those people within a generation have the same reproduction rate.
1:09:58
Speaker 2: So what we're doing is we're destroying our future by
1:10:02
Speaker 2: doing this instead of getting home and solving the problem
1:10:06
Speaker 2: at home, Like we're destroying humanity's future because we're taking
1:10:12
Speaker 2: every place that has this resource and we're turning it
1:10:15
Speaker 2: and we're sterilizing it basically by importing and promulgating our
1:10:20
Speaker 2: own fucking infection, mental infection on everybody else. And I
1:10:25
Speaker 2: know it's not a very flattering way to put it,
1:10:28
Speaker 2: but it's what's happening. We have this problem, which is
1:10:34
Speaker 2: that we no longer know how to get men and
1:10:38
Speaker 2: women together and reproducing right, and it is a massive problem.
1:10:44
Speaker 2: It is also behind a lot of our productivity slump.
1:10:47
Speaker 2: I mean, let's look at hunter gathered tribes. I know
1:10:52
Speaker 2: I'm going on a long little tangent here, and we
1:10:55
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of time, but hunter gatherer tribes
1:10:59
Speaker 2: are on a razor's edge of survival, right. They don't
1:11:02
Speaker 2: have any ability to indulge shit because if they are
1:11:07
Speaker 2: not productive, they die. So every they absolutely have to
1:11:11
Speaker 2: have a premium on productivity. They're like operating on a
1:11:14
Speaker 2: level of Olympic athlete versus like a couch potato in
1:11:17
Speaker 2: terms of eliciting productivity from their members. And what do
1:11:21
Speaker 2: they do They arrange the relationship between men and women
1:11:24
Speaker 2: in such a way that they incentivize each other's productivity. Right,
1:11:28
Speaker 2: So the most productive woman gets the best hunter. Okay,
1:11:34
Speaker 2: so she is capable of maintaining the most comfortable household,
1:11:38
Speaker 2: she's capable of managing the most amount of material goods,
1:11:43
Speaker 2: she gets the man who's most capable of bringing them in. Right,
1:11:46
Speaker 2: that's what they do. They use that to incentivize productivity
1:11:50
Speaker 2: in men and women. We don't have that. It's not
1:11:55
Speaker 2: even that we're not even getting the point where people
1:11:57
Speaker 2: are reproducing. We're at the point where we have no ability.
1:12:02
Speaker 2: We don't understand anymore with the technology that we have,
1:12:05
Speaker 2: how to get men and women to incentivize each other's productivity.
1:12:09
Speaker 2: And we are spreading that problem everywhere, and we're importing
1:12:14
Speaker 2: people who don't have as much of that problem to
1:12:17
Speaker 2: try to plaster over our problem. But once again they
1:12:22
Speaker 2: get infected with the same problem. And it's and this
1:12:26
Speaker 2: is not this is not forward thinking. This is the
1:12:30
Speaker 2: so called liberal response to this, the leftist response to this,
1:12:34
Speaker 2: the progressive response, the supposedly creative, open minded, hey, let's
1:12:40
Speaker 2: try anything to solve a problem. Is the most conservative,
1:12:46
Speaker 2: stupid response, which is, well, while people who are poorer
1:12:51
Speaker 2: than us and can't stop us. Have resources we need,
1:12:55
Speaker 2: let's go take them. And it still is. Even if
1:12:58
Speaker 2: you're taking the resources by by giving a bunch of
1:13:02
Speaker 2: people some freaking blue beads, you're still selling. You're selling
1:13:06
Speaker 2: them up the creek. You're selling these cultures up the
1:13:09
Speaker 2: creek because you're destroying them in the process, and you're
1:13:13
Speaker 2: not giving them anything of worth back. You're taking their resources.
1:13:17
Speaker 2: Even if you give them a couple of blue beads,
1:13:19
Speaker 2: you're taking their resources, taking their children, and you're not
1:13:22
Speaker 2: giving anything back. And that is the progressive solution, is
1:13:27
Speaker 2: just to steal shit from other nations and to think
1:13:31
Speaker 2: that you're not stealing it because you're giving you're supposedly
1:13:34
Speaker 2: giving a little bit back. You're not. Okay, sorry, all right.
1:13:40
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so let's just uh.
1:13:42
Speaker 3: Let's just keep going and say, yeah, well it's only
1:13:44
Speaker 3: ten percent of the biomass and expect things to keep
1:13:48
Speaker 3: running as normal.
1:13:50
Speaker 1: Now.
1:13:50
Speaker 3: It's entirely possible that this is just like Trump's build
1:13:53
Speaker 3: of wall stuff, where it's just something you like to
1:13:55
Speaker 3: talk about and never did. But you know, with the
1:13:57
Speaker 3: other stuff, you know, Trump's tariffs are on everything would
1:14:00
Speaker 3: cripple America.
1:14:03
Speaker 1: The only maybe it only cripple the government, which is fine.
1:14:07
Speaker 1: Like again, his whole problem is government jobs are going
1:14:11
Speaker 1: to be declining. And also like if he builds a wall,
1:14:14
Speaker 1: we're not going to be importing and like sex trafficking
1:14:18
Speaker 1: slaves and children, and like giving people like zero, you know,
1:14:21
Speaker 1: like below minimum wage to do laborist work that they
1:14:25
Speaker 1: claim the Americans wouldn't do even though they're totally willing
1:14:29
Speaker 1: to do it. But yeah, Thunderfoot's just a status He's
1:14:32
Speaker 1: just making status arguments of hope.
1:14:34
Speaker 3: Here is Trump's narcissism and these love of golf.
1:14:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, narcissist.
1:14:40
Speaker 3: It's all about me. And if you look at Trump
1:14:42
Speaker 3: like that, it's like, well, only random for president to
1:14:45
Speaker 3: avoid jail and now these suckers and losers if elected me.
1:14:50
Speaker 1: This is so boring.
1:14:52
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but the ton Thunderfoot. Look
1:14:55
Speaker 2: in the mirror. You're surrounded by people who are willing
1:14:58
Speaker 2: to attack someone who simply says, hey, could you credit
1:15:00
Speaker 2: an artist? You know, like I'm you're in a fucking
1:15:06
Speaker 2: nepotistic echo chamber.
1:15:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just I don't know, it's just boring stuff.
1:15:12
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, if you're still if you're
1:15:14
Speaker 1: still regurgitating like the the the lane stream media talking
1:15:18
Speaker 1: points and you think you're making a case like you're
1:15:20
Speaker 1: just not a serious person, you just haven't been paying attention.
1:15:23
Speaker 1: Suckers and losers. There's not even any evidence that he
1:15:25
Speaker 1: ever said it, and he's still bringing it up. It's
1:15:27
Speaker 1: so boring. So Richard Bierre gives us five dollars and says,
1:15:31
Speaker 1: and by the way, Trump tried to build the wall,
1:15:34
Speaker 1: and he was blocked at every at every turn by
1:15:38
Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats alike because he didn't realize how swampy
1:15:42
Speaker 1: the swamp was. And now he's like trying to like
1:15:45
Speaker 1: address that. So you know, like but a ghost thunderfoot
1:15:48
Speaker 1: just takes joy in the fact that he wasn't he
1:15:51
Speaker 1: was blocked by bureaucrats, you know, at every step when
1:15:55
Speaker 1: he was trying to do something that Americans wanted. He
1:15:57
Speaker 1: sees it as a victory, like, ah, you know, you're dumb,
1:16:02
Speaker 1: Like he loves feeling smarter than everybody else and then
1:16:05
Speaker 1: calling them narcissists. So Richard Bierre gives us five dollars
1:16:08
Speaker 1: and says, what did importing twenty thousand Haitian migrants to Springfield,
1:16:12
Speaker 1: Ohio due to the wage structure at that factory that
1:16:15
Speaker 1: was closed out for COVID. And what does converting single
1:16:18
Speaker 1: family homes into the equivalent of hostels do for housing availability?
1:16:22
Speaker 1: I have heard that landlords aren't renewing leases for families
1:16:25
Speaker 1: because it's more profitable to charge two hundred a week
1:16:28
Speaker 1: per person and stacked sixteen to twenty people in a
1:16:30
Speaker 1: single house. But infinite migrants makes GDP line go up
1:16:34
Speaker 1: on the charts. Yeah, exactly, Well, these people again do
1:16:38
Speaker 1: when you realize that the thing is not actually about
1:16:40
Speaker 1: the thing, and that we are dealing with compounding factors
1:16:44
Speaker 1: that have been going on since before, since the Obama administration,
1:16:49
Speaker 1: that they're just using to make things like more and
1:16:52
Speaker 1: they're normalizing it like well, you know, I mean, what
1:16:55
Speaker 1: are you a racist? You against like Venezuelan gangs taking
1:16:58
Speaker 1: over your apartment complex? What are your racist? And then
1:17:01
Speaker 1: people some people are like, oh, I don't want to
1:17:03
Speaker 1: be seen as a racist. I guess I'll just open
1:17:04
Speaker 1: the window and smell those burning tires and not do
1:17:07
Speaker 1: anything about it. So it, you know, like and I'm
1:17:10
Speaker 1: just like, we just can we just have the adults
1:17:14
Speaker 1: back in the room and just talk about this like adults.
1:17:17
Speaker 1: But now Thunderfoot wants to bitch and moan over there
1:17:20
Speaker 1: and his bubble.
1:17:22
Speaker 2: All right, So what I'm seeing, first of all, there's
1:17:24
Speaker 2: there's a false dichotomy that I see happening. And I
1:17:26
Speaker 2: apologize for taking you all in my crazy circles. This
1:17:29
Speaker 2: way my brain works. It doesn't work very well for streaming,
1:17:32
Speaker 2: I guess. But the idea there's a false dichonomy that
1:17:40
Speaker 2: we can't actually start reducing the amount of graft and
1:17:45
Speaker 2: pork in government and actually make it accountable, and then
1:17:50
Speaker 2: that means that you are incapable of being reasonable about
1:17:55
Speaker 2: government services. I mean, I am an anarchist, so I'm like,
1:18:00
Speaker 2: no government's good, but I recognize that if you're gonna
1:18:03
Speaker 2: have one, it should be accountable and it should have
1:18:07
Speaker 2: to indicate that it's getting results for whatever you apply
1:18:12
Speaker 2: it to, right, it shouldn't just be able to increase.
1:18:16
Speaker 2: Like watching that one video and of the guy who
1:18:21
Speaker 2: was talking to the constitutional lawyer in Washington, d C.
1:18:25
Speaker 2: And they were doing a tour of Washington, D C.
1:18:27
Speaker 2: And I wish I could remember his name, but I'm
1:18:29
Speaker 2: terrible with names. And they were going block after block
1:18:34
Speaker 2: after block of alphabet agencies which they don't even have
1:18:39
Speaker 2: a freaking list of all of them. There are American
1:18:42
Speaker 2: agencies on the American taxpayers dime, and nobody has any
1:18:49
Speaker 2: way of keeping them to account. They can't even they
1:18:53
Speaker 2: can't even list them all. That's ridiculous. That is not
1:18:58
Speaker 2: the way. And you can get rid of that and say, well,
1:19:01
Speaker 2: these government services have to be accountable to the people,
1:19:04
Speaker 2: they have to be accountable to results. You can do that,
1:19:08
Speaker 2: and I don't see why anybody would be against that.
1:19:11
Speaker 2: There needs to be oversight. You can't just keep growing.
1:19:15
Speaker 1: Government for Underfoot benefits though, so like these people, that's
1:19:19
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like Thunderfoot benefits from from that. He
1:19:22
Speaker 1: doesn't care. He wants the government Gibbs like he like
1:19:27
Speaker 1: he if he had to actually like do something worthwhile
1:19:30
Speaker 1: in the world without getting paid based on merit, even
1:19:33
Speaker 1: as a scientist, he would probably fail. And that's why
1:19:36
Speaker 1: he hates Elon Musk because the Elon Musk can make
1:19:39
Speaker 1: his own money. He doesn't care about profits. He doesn't care. Yeah,
1:19:44
Speaker 1: he can land a rocket backwards. He's like, what, I'm sorry,
1:19:49
Speaker 1: But the problem with this is that Thunderfoot and dark
1:19:54
Speaker 1: Matter both operate under the baseline presumptions that that they
1:20:01
Speaker 1: disagree with because they are statists, and anybody who wants
1:20:05
Speaker 1: to reduce the size of the state, whether you're an
1:20:07
Speaker 1: anarchist or a libertarian or just the right way eye
1:20:11
Speaker 1: or a monarchist. Uh, they're all the enemy to them.
1:20:13
Speaker 1: And they're all the same to them too. So you know,
1:20:15
Speaker 1: you can call yourself, you can call yourself whatever you want.
1:20:17
Speaker 1: These people are gonna see as far right. If you're
1:20:19
Speaker 1: interested in shrinking the government, that's it, you're far right.
1:20:22
Speaker 2: So and even if you're interested in shrinking the government
1:20:25
Speaker 2: in terms of getting rid of government and corporate collusion,
1:20:29
Speaker 2: good lord, Like I mean, the FDA shares, it's it's
1:20:35
Speaker 2: employees with big Pharma. That shouldn't happen.
1:20:40
Speaker 1: That's insane. It shouldn't. It shouldn't. And that's the thing.
1:20:43
Speaker 1: Like RFK wants to break that up. At least that's
1:20:45
Speaker 1: what he's saying, you know, all the all of.
1:20:49
Speaker 2: The Yeah, you're right, all of the status who I've
1:20:52
Speaker 2: confronted about the Kouf and the mandatory jabberoonis and I've said,
1:20:57
Speaker 2: if you're going to make this mandatory, I don't think
1:21:00
Speaker 2: corporations should profit off of it. They've all gone mealy
1:21:03
Speaker 2: mouthed and said bah blah blah.
1:21:04
Speaker 1: But that's no.
1:21:06
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think that if you
1:21:08
Speaker 2: are going to use the government to enforce the consumption
1:21:11
Speaker 2: of a product, that the corporation that's making that product
1:21:14
Speaker 2: should take a profit from it. That that is an
1:21:17
Speaker 2: incredible moral hazard that shouldn't happen. And every single one
1:21:22
Speaker 2: of the supposed status.
1:21:24
Speaker 3: Was okay with that.
1:21:25
Speaker 2: How can you be okay with that? But the other
1:21:28
Speaker 2: thing is are they doing I don't even think status
1:21:31
Speaker 2: really captures it, because what I'm seeing happening is there
1:21:35
Speaker 2: is a group of individuals who think that printing money
1:21:39
Speaker 2: solves all problems, and they they are embracing the idea
1:21:45
Speaker 2: that all the United States does is print money. That's it.
1:21:48
Speaker 2: They just print money, they send it out. They're the
1:21:50
Speaker 2: world reserve currency, and that's it. They don't have to
1:21:53
Speaker 2: concern themselves with being productive. They don't have to concern
1:21:57
Speaker 2: themselves with having a real econ, which means that they
1:22:01
Speaker 2: make goods that other people in the world want, so
1:22:04
Speaker 2: that their money is backed by something other than we'll
1:22:06
Speaker 2: print more of it. So there's these this divide, and
1:22:09
Speaker 2: I would say that Trump is more about let's create
1:22:14
Speaker 2: an economy that has inherent worth, not just printing more money.
1:22:20
Speaker 2: And it's it's it's such a short like I don't
1:22:24
Speaker 2: see printing more money as a virtue or a principle.
1:22:28
Speaker 2: I see it as an indulgence and an addiction. So
1:22:31
Speaker 2: we have a party of currency addiction versus the party
1:22:36
Speaker 2: of let's not do that and let's try to actually
1:22:39
Speaker 2: create something real. Does that make sense.
1:22:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure of course, But it's still states dollison. I mean,
1:22:45
Speaker 1: it is like that's what it is. I'm sorry, like
1:22:48
Speaker 1: I don't, I'm we let's stop dancing around it. These
1:22:50
Speaker 1: people don't care about money because they're they're they just
1:22:55
Speaker 1: don't they don't understand it, for one, but they also
1:22:58
Speaker 1: don't need it, Like a lot of these people who
1:23:00
Speaker 1: are extremely powerful, they don't need money. That's why they're
1:23:03
Speaker 1: okay with voting it to be printed to infinity because
1:23:06
Speaker 1: they already have what they need and that's power. They
1:23:09
Speaker 1: get it from other people. So and the people who
1:23:12
Speaker 1: support that, they just don't understand money, or they are
1:23:14
Speaker 1: people like Thunderfoot who thinks, oh, government makes money, therefore
1:23:17
Speaker 1: I get money from government. I good, I happy, I science,
1:23:21
Speaker 1: I get money from government.
1:23:22
Speaker 2: I think somebody in the chat is pushing back on
1:23:25
Speaker 2: the on the whole thing. Government program should be accountled.
1:23:30
Speaker 2: Muddy sud says, I don't know what this is. Therefore
1:23:33
Speaker 2: it's useless. Ignorance is non intelligent. Well money SAIDs I
1:23:36
Speaker 2: really wouldn't bet against me not understanding something, although you
1:23:41
Speaker 2: guys are in the vertical chat think I'm going in circles.
1:23:44
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm not an unintelligent person. Usually I can
1:23:49
Speaker 2: figure something out. But here's the other thing. If there
1:23:52
Speaker 2: is no external standard that you can hold whatever alphabet
1:23:55
Speaker 2: agency we're talking to, then that alphabet agency doesn't know
1:23:59
Speaker 2: what it's doing either. Cut.
1:24:01
Speaker 1: I mean like we we have the government shut down
1:24:06
Speaker 1: one year for a few months. Nobody noticed. This is
1:24:09
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, the only reason why you think
1:24:12
Speaker 1: it's needed is there's nothing to do with whether or
1:24:15
Speaker 1: not you know what it is, what it does, or
1:24:17
Speaker 1: what its purpose is, but that you're just being told
1:24:20
Speaker 1: it exists. And then you're just like, well, it's the government.
1:24:23
Speaker 1: They're obviously doing whatever they need to do. I mean,
1:24:26
Speaker 1: nobody gets fired from the government for you know, like
1:24:29
Speaker 1: not doing their job. Well, like like that's the thing
1:24:33
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen because there are no standards, there is
1:24:36
Speaker 1: no merit. It's just like, oh, I know a guy
1:24:38
Speaker 1: and he gave me a job, and they just they
1:24:40
Speaker 1: use the money like it doesn't run out because there
1:24:43
Speaker 1: is like no there's no need for them to like,
1:24:46
Speaker 1: you know, justify it, right, They're just it's your money.
1:24:49
Speaker 1: They're taking it and they're using it. However, they like
1:24:51
Speaker 1: you should know where that's going. That's not a controversial
1:24:55
Speaker 1: thing to say. So, uh, anyway, this is too much
1:24:59
Speaker 1: of it aggression. So how much time do we have
1:25:01
Speaker 1: before you have to go? Because you said you have
1:25:02
Speaker 1: a hard limit, and you're and you're muted, I can't
1:25:06
Speaker 1: hear you what you're saying.
1:25:09
Speaker 2: Muting. Okay, So I'm just going to finish this work.
1:25:12
Speaker 2: If I have to miss my writer's meeting, then I
1:25:15
Speaker 2: will do it. So I wanted to point out another
1:25:17
Speaker 2: thing in the vertical chat. Gerby Gibbs says developed nations
1:25:20
Speaker 2: move beyond an economy based on making cheap consumer goods.
1:25:23
Speaker 2: Why would we possibly want to move backwards where we
1:25:25
Speaker 2: want our population revolve around producing goods to export, So
1:25:30
Speaker 2: you just want to continue to exploit the rest of
1:25:32
Speaker 2: the world. In other words, the only thing you produce
1:25:35
Speaker 2: is money.
1:25:35
Speaker 1: How do wait, wait, wait wait, how do we know
1:25:37
Speaker 1: that that's what a developed nation is?
1:25:39
Speaker 3: Like?
1:25:39
Speaker 1: What do you what does that even mean? You're just
1:25:41
Speaker 1: saying shit? What what does developed nation mean? In your estimation?
1:25:45
Speaker 1: Do we not produce things? Like? All all Americans want
1:25:49
Speaker 1: is for us to be able to like, you know,
1:25:51
Speaker 1: produce material goods, bring back you know, the the uh
1:25:57
Speaker 1: product productivity like car like you know, metals, like like chips,
1:26:03
Speaker 1: Like maybe not ask China to like have two year
1:26:06
Speaker 1: olds put Michael chips together? Maybe we do it ourselves.
1:26:09
Speaker 1: Like why is that Americans want to work? Why don't
1:26:13
Speaker 1: we let them work? I don't understand what this means.
1:26:16
Speaker 1: Why do we want to be a developed nation? What
1:26:18
Speaker 1: does that mean? Well?
1:26:21
Speaker 2: I think with these what they're saying is that it's
1:26:25
Speaker 2: a stage of development that an economy goes through where
1:26:31
Speaker 2: it supplies cheap goods as as a general benefit. So
1:26:36
Speaker 2: it's actually supplying something in response to something else. And
1:26:41
Speaker 2: now apparently the US has transcended that stage and no
1:26:45
Speaker 2: longer has to supply anything in respond in exchange for
1:26:49
Speaker 2: its money. So what would make a country's money valuable
1:26:53
Speaker 2: is that they would have particular exports that you could
1:26:56
Speaker 2: buy in their currency. And what this person is proposing
1:27:00
Speaker 2: apparently that the US doesn't have to have anything, any service,
1:27:04
Speaker 2: any product that it has on offer for the world. So,
1:27:09
Speaker 2: in other words, the US, and this is exactly what
1:27:11
Speaker 2: I was talking about, we have a party of people
1:27:14
Speaker 2: who think everything comes down to printing money. That's exactly
1:27:17
Speaker 2: what this person is saying. Why can't the US simply
1:27:21
Speaker 2: export its money? That's it? Yeah, I mean, like the
1:27:25
Speaker 2: US's product is its dollar. Why can't we do that? Well,
1:27:29
Speaker 2: because it's like is that fair to the rest of
1:27:32
Speaker 2: the world.
1:27:33
Speaker 1: Well, not only that, but like Americans, why can't If
1:27:36
Speaker 1: we don't produce our own things for ourselves, then we're
1:27:41
Speaker 1: at the mercy of everybody else producing shit for us.
1:27:45
Speaker 1: So like, why can't Why aren't we just producing our
1:27:47
Speaker 1: own shit? And why not? I mean, I you know,
1:27:50
Speaker 1: I mean before World War two was a United States
1:27:52
Speaker 1: was pretty isolationist. And I'm not saying we should go
1:27:56
Speaker 1: back that far, but like we should at least be
1:27:58
Speaker 1: producing our own crap because it gives first of all,
1:28:01
Speaker 1: it gives its productivity. In the United States, we can
1:28:05
Speaker 1: get back to that. Plenty of Americans, especially men, because
1:28:08
Speaker 1: they're the ones that are going to be doing it,
1:28:10
Speaker 1: will finally have something to do, and it will they
1:28:12
Speaker 1: will be bringing value to our own citizens. Like, this
1:28:17
Speaker 1: is what we want. It's in our bones to do
1:28:19
Speaker 1: that in the United States.
1:28:21
Speaker 2: Okay, how about this. If you actually get the US
1:28:25
Speaker 2: to the point where it becomes a productive nation again,
1:28:28
Speaker 2: and I don't know what it's going to be, maybe
1:28:30
Speaker 2: it'll be exports of creativity that actually solves the issue
1:28:36
Speaker 2: of men and women coming together and incentivizing each other's productivity.
1:28:40
Speaker 2: Once you do that, once you once you recharge the engine,
1:28:45
Speaker 2: you will have solved the motherfucking problem that we have,
1:28:49
Speaker 2: which is that men and women no longer incentivize each
1:28:53
Speaker 2: other's productivity in the West. If you can actually get
1:28:56
Speaker 2: that working, I don't know what that would look like.
1:28:58
Speaker 2: That is your wind condition. Like right now we're talking
1:29:02
Speaker 2: about this as in, uh, why do we need to
1:29:05
Speaker 2: do it? Why don't we just be a decadent pre
1:29:09
Speaker 2: fall empire and sit on having the world reserve currency
1:29:14
Speaker 2: and simply just give people print people print money. It's
1:29:19
Speaker 2: not even printing money anymore. Just make a digit appear
1:29:23
Speaker 2: on a computer screen. And that's what the US will do.
1:29:26
Speaker 2: They'll just we'll just they'll just sit on everything else
1:29:29
Speaker 2: that had the history of the US building up this
1:29:33
Speaker 2: the biggest economy, and then just give people monopoly money
1:29:37
Speaker 2: in exchange for goods that they give the US citizens. Right,
1:29:41
Speaker 2: we'll just sit on that. Well, that is not a solution.
1:29:45
Speaker 2: It is not progress. It's not progressive. It's not taking
1:29:49
Speaker 2: the problem that humanity is facing right now and solving it.
1:29:53
Speaker 2: It's simply coasting into destruction, and not just destruction of humanity,
1:29:59
Speaker 2: also destruction of the environment because we can't afford to
1:30:03
Speaker 2: have our population collapse. With the infrastructure we do, we're
1:30:06
Speaker 2: going to be taking out a good chunk of the
1:30:09
Speaker 2: Earth's environment if that happens. So we're just gonna get
1:30:13
Speaker 2: that We're just going to explode. Huh, And we're going
1:30:15
Speaker 2: to take out part of the earth. That's your solution,
1:30:18
Speaker 2: as opposed to let's solve the problem. Who knows what
1:30:22
Speaker 2: the solution actually is. Let's recognize the problem and start
1:30:26
Speaker 2: working towards the solution. And that problem is that men
1:30:29
Speaker 2: and women no longer incentivize each other's productivity in the West.
1:30:32
Speaker 2: So when you look at well, let's get the US
1:30:36
Speaker 2: productive again, let's not look at it as an end
1:30:39
Speaker 2: and of itself. Let's look at it as a wind condition.
1:30:42
Speaker 2: In other words, if the US gets productive again, we
1:30:45
Speaker 2: have solved the problem that's plaguing the human race, and
1:30:49
Speaker 2: we will subsequently also have solved the problem that the
1:30:52
Speaker 2: human race poses to the environment. Okay, I don't know,
1:30:56
Speaker 2: maybe understand what I'm saying.
1:30:58
Speaker 1: Well, that's all right, skip you going? It worth nothing
1:31:01
Speaker 1: to me.
1:31:02
Speaker 3: Now they can't vote for me again because I can't
1:31:05
Speaker 3: run for prison again. You know, constitutional limits, that sort
1:31:08
Speaker 3: of thing. So what's it for me? Anything for them?
1:31:12
Speaker 1: Yeah?
1:31:12
Speaker 3: Why shodn't I just do things for me like I enjoy.
1:31:15
Speaker 1: Like he's already determined, he's thinking like a passive, aggressive,
1:31:19
Speaker 1: mean girl. He's basically determined what kind of person Trump is.
1:31:22
Speaker 1: And now he's just saying, well, now that I can
1:31:25
Speaker 1: read his mind, I know his intentions, let me throw
1:31:27
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of allegations that are totally like not
1:31:30
Speaker 1: ridiculous at him.
1:31:31
Speaker 3: It's boring play golf and grifting.
1:31:35
Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, it's griffed. Look, the billionaire is a grifter.
1:31:40
Speaker 3: That's maybe worth something to me. And honestly, this is
1:31:42
Speaker 3: kind of why I was surprised that Trump won, because
1:31:45
Speaker 3: he was so low energy. I mean, damn, even after
1:31:50
Speaker 3: he won, he reads his victory speech in the monotone
1:31:54
Speaker 3: of reading a phone book of the auto cue.
1:31:58
Speaker 1: That nobody thought possible. And I don't know if you
1:32:01
Speaker 1: know how many rallies this guy was doing. I mean
1:32:06
Speaker 1: he was all over the country multiple times, constantly, constantly.
1:32:11
Speaker 1: It was hard to believe. But yeah, low energy, sure, thunderfoot, Sure,
1:32:16
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're you're gonna get off your ass and
1:32:18
Speaker 1: travel the That's not.
1:32:20
Speaker 2: Really okay, is there? Okay?
1:32:23
Speaker 1: Of all of his things, he's just growing insults. It's
1:32:28
Speaker 1: just it's just I didn't I.
1:32:29
Speaker 2: Actually had a completely different response to this. It seemed
1:32:32
Speaker 2: like Trump had lost a lot of that bomb bast
1:32:37
Speaker 2: I mean, like for me, some of that was not
1:32:40
Speaker 2: was not really didn't I didn't really resonate with me,
1:32:43
Speaker 2: I'll put it that way, And that he was actually
1:32:46
Speaker 2: speaking from a genuine place, not just of what he
1:32:50
Speaker 2: wanted to see happening, but what he would sacrifice for, right,
1:32:56
Speaker 2: And that's that's my impression of this speech. The hell
1:32:59
Speaker 2: maybe it was low energy, or maybe it was just
1:33:01
Speaker 2: somebody who realizes that the thing.
1:33:03
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's funny.
1:33:04
Speaker 6: When he was running in twenty sixteen, When he was
1:33:07
Speaker 6: running in twenty sixteen and he and he was like
1:33:10
Speaker 6: you know more, I guess aggressive, people were like complaining
1:33:13
Speaker 6: about him, And now that he's like chilled out, people
1:33:15
Speaker 6: are complaining about him.
1:33:16
Speaker 1: What a surprise. It's the same people. Oh, it's almost
1:33:19
Speaker 1: like nothing he could do would be enough because they
1:33:22
Speaker 1: just don't like him, and everything else is just like
1:33:24
Speaker 1: the reasoning behind it post hom okay that we've achieved
1:33:30
Speaker 1: the most incredible political thing.
1:33:33
Speaker 3: It was like he just didn't care anymore, and apparently
1:33:36
Speaker 3: neither did he read mind through here we go streams
1:33:39
Speaker 3: of stuff.
1:33:39
Speaker 1: That would have gone straight.
1:33:41
Speaker 3: This is cartoonishly evil carricatures of fascism in movies.
1:33:46
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
1:33:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Allison was freedom of speech. Allison. He put
1:33:55
Speaker 1: a Trump clip and then he put a V for
1:33:57
Speaker 1: Vendetta clip next to each other. You can't argue against that.
1:34:01
Speaker 1: He just showed you two clips side by side, like
1:34:05
Speaker 1: it's over. It's over for Trump cells now because the
1:34:09
Speaker 1: vendetta exists.
1:34:11
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, is there an.
1:34:13
Speaker 1: Back the way? Alan Moore, fucking communist who hated Margaret Thatcher.
1:34:18
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know this, but Britain
1:34:20
Speaker 1: survived her her run as Prime minister. They survived, and
1:34:25
Speaker 1: now they're fucked for different reasons.
1:34:28
Speaker 3: When he supporters of these rallies. But while I might
1:34:31
Speaker 3: not have been there at his rallies, they didn't to vote.
1:34:34
Speaker 3: As Trump said almost a decade ago, he had the
1:34:37
Speaker 3: most loyal fans. He could go out and shoot someone
1:34:40
Speaker 3: on Fifth Avenue and they would still vote for it.
1:34:43
Speaker 1: And you know what else they say about my people
1:34:44
Speaker 1: the polls. Oh again, this is from twenty sixteen when
1:34:49
Speaker 1: he was running, and he made this crack like, you
1:34:52
Speaker 1: can't make jokes with these people because they never take
1:34:55
Speaker 1: you seriously. They always take you literally. So if you
1:34:57
Speaker 1: make a joke, they'll they'll use it against you. Like
1:35:00
Speaker 1: guy Tony what's his name, he made that joke about
1:35:03
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico being a floating island of garbage, and of
1:35:07
Speaker 1: course the legacy media went crazy, Oh my god, he's
1:35:10
Speaker 1: saying this. It's over. Puerto Ricans are gonna vote against him.
1:35:13
Speaker 1: And sure, Fat Joe and Jennifer Lopez and a bunch
1:35:16
Speaker 1: of other people that went to the Diddy parties came
1:35:17
Speaker 1: out and they like they condemned it. But the truth
1:35:21
Speaker 1: is is that Porto Rico is turning into an island
1:35:24
Speaker 1: of garbage because they have a landfill crisis that the
1:35:27
Speaker 1: Biden administration did not address. Why didn't they, Well, maybe
1:35:30
Speaker 1: so that they could use it later like they just
1:35:33
Speaker 1: did so they can like demonize people who actually bring
1:35:36
Speaker 1: it up because the government of Puerto Rico's corrupt, and
1:35:39
Speaker 1: they're so corrupted they got Puerto Ricans that live there
1:35:42
Speaker 1: thinking that they're suffering is the fault of the Republicans somehow.
1:35:49
Speaker 1: So but anyway, they say, I have the most loyal people.
1:35:54
Speaker 1: Did you ever see that where I could stand there?
1:35:56
Speaker 1: You can jump ahead a little time.
1:35:57
Speaker 3: There were all no people in the seat in front
1:36:01
Speaker 3: of you and the Trump is lying to you and
1:36:04
Speaker 3: that yeah.
1:36:05
Speaker 1: That was This is footage of people leaving leaving the rally,
1:36:08
Speaker 1: So of course he got they got empty seats and
1:36:11
Speaker 1: he's like, look, no, he's not popular, and this is all.
1:36:13
Speaker 1: It's also very childish because he's basically saying he's making
1:36:17
Speaker 1: the same appeal. Okay, this appeal to authority, this appeal
1:36:21
Speaker 1: to popularity, this appeal to consensus, where he says, look,
1:36:24
Speaker 1: you know, the rallies weren't that full. Therefore he's not popular,
1:36:28
Speaker 1: therefore he's not good. Or my people, doctor Fauci is
1:36:33
Speaker 1: an expert. He believes in the JAB, therefore he's good.
1:36:37
Speaker 1: Therefore JAB good. I go get JAB I scientists. I mean,
1:36:41
Speaker 1: that's I'm sorry, Alison, but that's really the extent of
1:36:45
Speaker 1: the depth of this conversation.
1:36:46
Speaker 2: It is the death so apologizing because this conversation has
1:36:52
Speaker 2: no fucking substance.
1:36:53
Speaker 1: No, well, you know, this is what Thunderfoot does.
1:36:57
Speaker 2: This is what aggravates me about the entirety of the
1:37:00
Speaker 2: people who've aligned themselves with what they call the left.
1:37:03
Speaker 2: All right, you guys have nothing. You have nothing creative,
1:37:07
Speaker 2: you have nothing progressive. You have don't even recognize problems anymore.
1:37:12
Speaker 2: You just annoy people, right, that's it. That's all you got,
1:37:16
Speaker 2: And you got a threat narrative against men. Great, congratulations.
1:37:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are boring.
1:37:23
Speaker 2: You are so boring and so on intelligent and so
1:37:26
Speaker 2: uninspired and so drab. Get some new material there.
1:37:32
Speaker 1: But be creative. This is what Teds. Does we need
1:37:37
Speaker 1: like a ribbon for TDS. What color should it be? Orange?
1:37:40
Speaker 1: We need an orange ribbon. Everybody wears to show that
1:37:43
Speaker 1: you support the people with Trump derangement syndrome because they're
1:37:47
Speaker 1: not going to be able to have mature adult conversations.
1:37:49
Speaker 1: They're not willing to fix things, they're not willing to
1:37:52
Speaker 1: talk about solutions. They have nothing. Yeah, they just hate. Yeah,
1:37:56
Speaker 1: hate on Elon Musk because he's doing well. Hate on
1:37:59
Speaker 1: Elon us because because he likes freedom of speech and
1:38:01
Speaker 1: wants to shrink the government. And it comes back to
1:38:03
Speaker 1: what I said before. This is like the root of
1:38:05
Speaker 1: Thunderfoot's arguments. He wants to keep getting money from the
1:38:09
Speaker 1: state because if he went to like private citizens, said hey,
1:38:12
Speaker 1: can you give me, you know, five hundred thousand dollars
1:38:15
Speaker 1: so I can put a shrimp on a treadmill, they
1:38:17
Speaker 1: would laugh in his face because they would actually have
1:38:20
Speaker 1: to spend their money. And I'm not for that. I mean,
1:38:23
Speaker 1: do you want to look up the crazy things that
1:38:26
Speaker 1: the science?
1:38:26
Speaker 2: Uh?
1:38:28
Speaker 1: I don't. You don't disagree, you don't think I'm wrong.
1:38:31
Speaker 2: I don't think you're wrong. I don't even crazier like this.
1:38:34
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, giving giving lobsters like fentanyl or something
1:38:41
Speaker 1: or lean, I don't know, like just really dumb shit.
1:38:44
Speaker 1: Let's put animals on drugs and see what happens.
1:38:47
Speaker 2: Well, these they're not doing it to people.
1:38:49
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna get an orange driven I'm gonna
1:38:53
Speaker 1: start wearing it. But anyway, anything.
1:38:58
Speaker 2: Interesting point when you were watching this, did you say, oh,
1:39:03
Speaker 2: that's vaguely interesting.
1:39:05
Speaker 1: No, not really, but here, let's look at more clips
1:39:08
Speaker 1: from vpra Vendetta. So he makes his argument about the
1:39:11
Speaker 1: fascism because he watched this movie.
1:39:13
Speaker 3: Cut together seamlessly, not with Hitler, but with cartoon level fascism.
1:39:19
Speaker 1: We did what we had to do, is Linton Penfield.
1:39:23
Speaker 1: I was there. I saw it all on day one.
1:39:25
Speaker 1: I will launch the largest deportation program in American history.
1:39:30
Speaker 2: Immigrants, Muslims, no legos.
1:39:33
Speaker 1: I got whatever they want, don't they? Homosexuals, her and
1:39:37
Speaker 1: her pimp handlers.
1:39:39
Speaker 2: Terrorists, tearor on the side of the terrorists.
1:39:42
Speaker 1: It's poisoning the blood of our country.
1:39:45
Speaker 4: It's so bad, and people are coming in with disease.
1:39:48
Speaker 1: Disease written degenerates. They had to I don't know, it's
1:39:56
Speaker 1: just no, it's.
1:39:57
Speaker 2: The thing is the they're mocking what's in't sting about
1:40:00
Speaker 2: both sides and yeah, I'm gonna do the both sides.
1:40:04
Speaker 2: Then Okay, what's interesting is and this is this is
1:40:09
Speaker 2: a maybe maybe maybe think about this and like I'm
1:40:13
Speaker 2: I'm responding in a platonic universe, is that when you have, okay,
1:40:20
Speaker 2: two sides of an argument. I'm not gonna say both
1:40:22
Speaker 2: sides of a political situation, but one side always goes
1:40:27
Speaker 2: after the emotional reasoning of the other, and then the
1:40:32
Speaker 2: other side goes after the emotional reasoning of subsequent but
1:40:36
Speaker 2: they never go after what makes sense like which is
1:40:41
Speaker 2: interesting because it's motivated reasoning to go after the emotional
1:40:45
Speaker 2: reasoning of the side. Now, there may be a sense
1:40:50
Speaker 2: of disease like that the on the right there is
1:40:54
Speaker 2: a stronger sense of wanting to maintain national sovereignty and boundaries,
1:41:00
Speaker 2: and that comes out of a distaste for disease. I
1:41:08
Speaker 2: think that this is not the situation. I think that
1:41:10
Speaker 2: there's a very logical reason to start curtailing the immigration
1:41:16
Speaker 2: because you can't like, at some point you've got to
1:41:19
Speaker 2: stop people coming on the boat or the boat sinks. Right,
1:41:22
Speaker 2: that's just a logical reality. But The point is that
1:41:25
Speaker 2: that instead of engaging with the logical argument, Thunderfoot is
1:41:31
Speaker 2: insulting the or at least alleging and projecting this idea
1:41:37
Speaker 2: that the response, the actual the actual argument isn't logical.
1:41:41
Speaker 2: It's emotional, and it's emotional discust response towards immigrants, not
1:41:49
Speaker 2: a structural response of hey, we can't take more on
1:41:55
Speaker 2: and we need to fix our problems. And by the way,
1:41:58
Speaker 2: poaching other people the resources of other countries isn't the
1:42:02
Speaker 2: way to solve something. Long term. I could see in
1:42:05
Speaker 2: one hundred years people like Thunderfoot people looking back and
1:42:09
Speaker 2: seeing people like Thunderfoot advocating for a system of a
1:42:13
Speaker 2: neo Western colonialism. In other words, the West has problems,
1:42:17
Speaker 2: so it just imports resources from other countries to solve
1:42:20
Speaker 2: those problems. You could easily frame it in that way,
1:42:24
Speaker 2: we need to solve our problems. But regardless, he's saying
1:42:28
Speaker 2: that the anti immigration or the not even anti immigration,
1:42:31
Speaker 2: the anti illegal immigration is coming out of a place
1:42:35
Speaker 2: of an emotional argument, a disgust based let's keep our
1:42:38
Speaker 2: boundaries disease free kind of argument, and he's not engaging
1:42:43
Speaker 2: with the logical the logical aspects the structural and systemic
1:42:48
Speaker 2: aspects of that argument, you know, And I say this
1:42:53
Speaker 2: as a person, you know, I feel like I maybe
1:42:56
Speaker 2: got caught in that discust based response as a Canadian.
1:43:01
Speaker 2: We are pretty disgusting, I must say. But I can
1:43:05
Speaker 2: see that this is what it is. Dishonest. Are you
1:43:08
Speaker 2: saying underfoot that there is absolutely no argument against immigration
1:43:12
Speaker 2: ever or illegal immigrant, especially illegal immigration. There's absolutely no
1:43:17
Speaker 2: argument against illegal immigration at all, ever, none whatsoever?
1:43:23
Speaker 1: Right, Hey, I mean, like the thing is is that, Yeah,
1:43:28
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think he does. I think
1:43:33
Speaker 1: that he's about creating this frame that not Americans, specifically
1:43:40
Speaker 1: Trumpian right wing Republican types are islamophobic and he and
1:43:47
Speaker 1: homophobic and all these other things, and he just needs
1:43:49
Speaker 1: to he knows it's true because he hates Trump. He
1:43:52
Speaker 1: hates Trump because he hates how the election affected the Brits,
1:43:56
Speaker 1: because Brexit and Trump's get in office happened about the
1:44:01
Speaker 1: same time. He hates Brexit because it takes away his gibs,
1:44:04
Speaker 1: which he gets from the government so he can perform
1:44:06
Speaker 1: his ridiculous science experiments. So it's all consequential. His goal
1:44:11
Speaker 1: is to just credit Trump and to make Trump supporters
1:44:14
Speaker 1: look bad and to make Elon Musk look bad because
1:44:17
Speaker 1: Elon Musk FA also flies in the face of what
1:44:20
Speaker 1: he stands for. So he uses whatever. It's not even
1:44:23
Speaker 1: about principles. He has no principles. He doesn't care about hypocrisy,
1:44:27
Speaker 1: he doesn't care about like what the effects are, what
1:44:29
Speaker 1: the logic is behind any of this. He just wants
1:44:32
Speaker 1: the conclusion to be he is the best, he is smart,
1:44:36
Speaker 1: he deserves money, and other people are grifters and liars
1:44:39
Speaker 1: and bigots and that's it. And he'll use this movie
1:44:44
Speaker 1: that was made by a couple of you know, left
1:44:47
Speaker 1: wing tranny activists, essentially the Wachowski Brothers, that was based
1:44:51
Speaker 1: on a book written by a straight up communist that
1:44:54
Speaker 1: lives in a trailer park somewhere, Alan Moore, who basically
1:44:57
Speaker 1: thought Margaret Thatcher was a fascist, and ba based the
1:45:00
Speaker 1: setting on this. So you have, like, what is it,
1:45:02
Speaker 1: three three levels of removal from the same people who
1:45:08
Speaker 1: hold the same opinions all the way down to Thunderfoot,
1:45:10
Speaker 1: and he presents it like he's got data, and then
1:45:13
Speaker 1: people are just gonna suck it up. And there's probably
1:45:15
Speaker 1: people in his comments going yep, yup, yup, and they're
1:45:18
Speaker 1: just the same. It's like, you know, you got Margaret
1:45:21
Speaker 1: Thatcher runs, Alan Moore hates her, makes a comic book
1:45:23
Speaker 1: about it, completely ridiculous. By the way, none of that
1:45:27
Speaker 1: happened to Britain, but he was like, so sure it
1:45:29
Speaker 1: was going to because he despises I guess people who
1:45:33
Speaker 1: have common sense. And then the Wachowski see it and
1:45:36
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we're gonna adapt this, and they make
1:45:38
Speaker 1: a movie out of it. And then then Thunderfoot sees
1:45:41
Speaker 1: the movie and says that looks like Trump's America and
1:45:43
Speaker 1: makes his video and uses that as his argument for it.
1:45:47
Speaker 1: So I mean, we can go we can go all around,
1:45:52
Speaker 1: like with all of this specific data about like what
1:45:55
Speaker 1: people should be doing and how they should be having conversations.
1:45:58
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, I've been doing this for like
1:46:00
Speaker 1: eleven years now, and what I have realized is that
1:46:04
Speaker 1: leftists do not care about data. They don't care about truth,
1:46:07
Speaker 1: they don't care about hypocrisy. They only care about accomplishing
1:46:10
Speaker 1: their goals, which is essentially validating their own existence so
1:46:13
Speaker 1: they can continue to collect a paycheck that goes for feminists, communists,
1:46:17
Speaker 1: racial activists, gay activists, all the people in our government,
1:46:21
Speaker 1: all the people in our academic institutions, all the people
1:46:23
Speaker 1: are in our journalism, journalisms, faces, all of them, influencers,
1:46:28
Speaker 1: hassan pikers, destinies, they all do that. They don't give
1:46:32
Speaker 1: a fuck about principles, they don't care about right and wrong.
1:46:35
Speaker 1: They hate God and that's true, and this is all
1:46:39
Speaker 1: about just going against all of those things to justify themselves.
1:46:42
Speaker 1: So I mean, there's no substance. Like I already know,
1:46:45
Speaker 1: if I said this to Thunderfoot, he probably just leave
1:46:47
Speaker 1: because you wouldn't have an argument against it, So.
1:46:52
Speaker 2: We probably just call you a cultist.
1:46:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would call me a cultist.
1:46:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is interesting because you know, I think we're
1:46:57
Speaker 2: on similar sides when we came to gamer Gate, but
1:47:00
Speaker 2: I don't know. Weird things happen. But what I wanted
1:47:02
Speaker 2: to say is can we just get over these emotional arguments?
1:47:05
Speaker 2: And you know, saying saying that your opponent is arguing
1:47:12
Speaker 2: out of emotion is also an emotional argument. Find, Thunderfoot,
1:47:18
Speaker 2: find the strongest rational arguments for your opposing side and
1:47:24
Speaker 2: discuss them. Right, let's get this out of the gutter.
1:47:28
Speaker 2: But I don't see that, does he at any point
1:47:31
Speaker 2: in this long video, this twenty seven minute video, does
1:47:35
Speaker 2: he at any point appeal to something that is you know,
1:47:40
Speaker 2: like he says, Okay, well, this is the position of
1:47:43
Speaker 2: what the Trump administration represents. This is the logical reason
1:47:48
Speaker 2: why they assert this, and this is the logical counter
1:47:53
Speaker 2: argument at any point. No, okay, let's move on to
1:47:58
Speaker 2: the next one.
1:47:58
Speaker 1: All right. If is there something specific that Richard Beierre
1:48:02
Speaker 1: wanted me to address, just let me know. I don't know,
1:48:05
Speaker 1: and I'll just try to respond to it. Richard.
1:48:07
Speaker 2: If you have a specific time code, just send it
1:48:09
Speaker 2: to us. He's not even watching it. He's watching Breaking
1:48:12
Speaker 2: Bad right now.
1:48:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, good lord.
1:48:16
Speaker 2: You've asked us to go through this, Richard, and you're
1:48:19
Speaker 2: not even freaking watching the stream.
1:48:22
Speaker 1: All right, So this is Dark Matter twenty five, twenty five,
1:48:25
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna tell you right up front. He
1:48:27
Speaker 1: makes the same bullshit arguments. It's not different from Thunderfoots. Really,
1:48:31
Speaker 1: it's probably more concise. That's about it. So let me
1:48:36
Speaker 1: see uh timecodes for this one. Understanding the Trump voter base, Well,
1:48:42
Speaker 1: he's gonna tell us what people like me are like,
1:48:44
Speaker 1: what we are.
1:48:46
Speaker 4: I apologize for this video. It's his video at all.
1:48:50
Speaker 4: It's just sort of thrown together. But a lot of
1:48:52
Speaker 4: people ask.
1:48:55
Speaker 1: No, he's basically he's basically saying, look, I didn't even
1:48:58
Speaker 1: want to talk about this, but everybody's asking me to.
1:49:01
Speaker 1: So I guess I'll do a low effort video addressing
1:49:04
Speaker 1: your concerns.
1:49:06
Speaker 2: Okay, again, anything anything, This is the position that the
1:49:12
Speaker 2: Trump administration takes. These are the logical arguments against that position.
1:49:17
Speaker 2: At any point, do we see that or is it
1:49:20
Speaker 2: all Trump voters, stupid, Orange man bad, they have ugly
1:49:25
Speaker 2: emotions towards immigrants.
1:49:28
Speaker 1: All right, let's go right here. Here's something I guess.
1:49:32
Speaker 4: He focused on the number of bombs Trump dropped. When
1:49:37
Speaker 4: I presented the numbers, he said, but look at Obama.
1:49:42
Speaker 4: Look at how high they were when Trump took office.
1:49:45
Speaker 1: And he's trying to make the case that Trump was
1:49:47
Speaker 1: like as bad or worse of a warmonger see other administrations.
1:49:54
Speaker 2: I got to expand this because it's a little bit fuzzy,
1:49:56
Speaker 2: and I got.
1:49:57
Speaker 1: My my wellness.
1:50:00
Speaker 2: All right, So in twenty sixteen, Obama dropped three thousand,
1:50:06
Speaker 2: seven hundred and forty three bombs, which is like a
1:50:10
Speaker 2: fivefold increase over twenty fourteen. So we're seeing under Obama
1:50:17
Speaker 2: massive or sort Biden not Biden or no, No, that's Obama,
1:50:21
Speaker 2: massive increases in the number. This is moving like, it's increasing,
1:50:26
Speaker 2: not exponentially, but it's increasing. And under Trump, like the
1:50:31
Speaker 2: first year of Trump's in office, yes, he does almost
1:50:34
Speaker 2: forty thousand bombs, but then it goes down to nine,
1:50:38
Speaker 2: then down to five, then down to one thousand. So
1:50:43
Speaker 2: we're seeing a massive decrease in the number of bombs
1:50:47
Speaker 2: being dropped by Trump. And you could probably you could
1:50:51
Speaker 2: probably argue that the two thousand and seven effect of
1:50:56
Speaker 2: going up to forty thousand was a was a momentum
1:51:00
Speaker 2: basically from previous previous years. So we're setting up a momentum.
1:51:05
Speaker 2: Obama's setting up a momentum of increasing the bombs. Although
1:51:08
Speaker 2: holy shit, it was twenty twelve and twenty thirteen. Were
1:51:11
Speaker 2: they not even paying attention what was going on?
1:51:16
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know. Maybe they weren't, Maybe they didn't
1:51:18
Speaker 1: start recording until later. I couldn't tell you that. I
1:51:22
Speaker 1: know that Bill Clinton was bombing the shit out of
1:51:24
Speaker 1: the Middle East. But like the media, when when Bill
1:51:27
Speaker 1: Clinton was in office and when Obama was in office,
1:51:29
Speaker 1: the media wasn't really reporting on what was going on
1:51:31
Speaker 1: down there, so we had to learn this later. But
1:51:33
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean like this has been going on
1:51:35
Speaker 1: for a long time, and I mean I think that
1:51:39
Speaker 1: what dark matter has to contend with because essentially, again
1:51:43
Speaker 1: this is like what I said before. He has to
1:51:45
Speaker 1: conclude that Trump is bad. Okay, he has to. He
1:51:48
Speaker 1: just hates him. We know it's irrational. Again, he was
1:51:52
Speaker 1: also telling people to go get jabbed, telling people to
1:51:55
Speaker 1: get their boosters. He was completely behind all of that
1:51:59
Speaker 1: shit as well, and will not take it back and
1:52:01
Speaker 1: will not step outside of himself and say, holy shit,
1:52:03
Speaker 1: maybe I was wrong about the science because he loves science,
1:52:07
Speaker 1: so he also needs to double down on this. This
1:52:10
Speaker 1: is what they always do. But he won't address the
1:52:12
Speaker 1: fact that Trump started no new wars in his under
1:52:15
Speaker 1: his administration, he was the only one in like god
1:52:18
Speaker 1: knows how long, okay, there was if there was nothing
1:52:22
Speaker 1: else you could take away from that, you could you
1:52:23
Speaker 1: could make that objective claim and you couldn't really refute it.
1:52:26
Speaker 1: But of course he won't do that, because he would
1:52:28
Speaker 1: He doesn't even confront that. He just let he just
1:52:30
Speaker 1: presents like that's not there.
1:52:32
Speaker 2: Okay, but what is he trying to say here.
1:52:34
Speaker 1: Because uh, well, I'm gonna play it. He basically says
1:52:37
Speaker 1: he talked to a friend as a Trump supporter, and
1:52:39
Speaker 1: that the friend was saying, look, you know he was
1:52:41
Speaker 1: using this. The number of bombs dropped as the example
1:52:45
Speaker 1: case of I guess why Trump is not was not
1:52:48
Speaker 1: like a warmonger.
1:52:50
Speaker 4: So and then when Trump came into office, he inherited
1:52:54
Speaker 4: the wars, so they were high under him. Yes, but
1:52:58
Speaker 4: then look what happened by the end of Trump's term.
1:53:01
Speaker 4: The number of bombs declined. Now, first of all, that's
1:53:05
Speaker 4: not entirely true, because you can clearly see that they
1:53:08
Speaker 4: were ramping back up in Yemen, which Trump enabled with
1:53:12
Speaker 4: his unethical weapons sales to Saudi Arabia, a main point
1:53:16
Speaker 4: of contention in my video. Now, the whole point of
1:53:18
Speaker 4: my criticism, however, was to dispel this idea that the
1:53:23
Speaker 4: Trump years were peaceful. It's perfectly valid to point out
1:53:28
Speaker 4: that the bombing campaigns in other areas were being drawn down.
1:53:32
Speaker 4: That's a good thing, but it doesn't really address my point. Now,
1:53:37
Speaker 4: keep the logic for his argument in your mind. Trump
1:53:42
Speaker 4: inherited the wars from prior presidents that I'm.
1:53:48
Speaker 1: Just pausing there for the banana.
1:53:51
Speaker 2: Okay, we just said that Trump didn't start any new wars.
1:53:54
Speaker 1: No, no, the okay, So I think the guy that
1:53:59
Speaker 1: dark Matter is refuting was a friend of his, and
1:54:02
Speaker 1: he's sort of framing his friend's claim was that the
1:54:04
Speaker 1: Trump years were peaceful. Okay, that's probably a straw man
1:54:08
Speaker 1: of that, but like, there is no time in history
1:54:11
Speaker 1: where everything is peaceful.
1:54:12
Speaker 2: So okay, wait, didn't dark Matter concede that Trump didn't
1:54:17
Speaker 2: start any new wars?
1:54:19
Speaker 1: He did, Yeah, he had to. But he's still he's
1:54:22
Speaker 1: trying to make a different argument that, well.
1:54:25
Speaker 2: If you concede that Trump didn't start any new wars,
1:54:29
Speaker 2: then the wars that Trump prosecuted were inherited from other presidents. Yes, okay,
1:54:35
Speaker 2: let's get let's go, let's let's go, let's do this.
1:54:38
Speaker 4: That's the logic that being said. Compare that to his
1:54:42
Speaker 4: second criticism, which was about the economy, and this one
1:54:46
Speaker 4: is more important in terms of the election because, according
1:54:49
Speaker 4: to the exit polls, it's the reason Trump got elected again.
1:54:53
Speaker 4: His argument was, look at how inflation spiked under Biden.
1:54:58
Speaker 4: Look at how everything got more expensive under Biden. Now,
1:55:02
Speaker 4: notice how when it came to the bombs, he acknowledged
1:55:06
Speaker 4: cause and effect. Trump inherited wars from prior presidents, so
1:55:12
Speaker 4: he had to drop bombs. His hand was forced. But
1:55:15
Speaker 4: notice how this same charity is not applied to Biden
1:55:20
Speaker 4: when it comes to how disastrous twenty twenty was in
1:55:24
Speaker 4: terms of the economy. What happened during twenty twenty was
1:55:28
Speaker 4: so bad that it was going to affect the economy
1:55:32
Speaker 4: the following years.
1:55:33
Speaker 1: What happened in twenty twenty, Yeah, but.
1:55:36
Speaker 2: That's not okay, all right, that's a bit. Well, what
1:55:43
Speaker 2: happened in twenty twenty was mo doubt something he was for.
1:55:46
Speaker 2: Like everybody knew, like even the people who advocated for
1:55:50
Speaker 2: the kuf aloof Well.
1:55:53
Speaker 1: The lockdowns were not done by Trump. The lockdowns were
1:55:56
Speaker 1: done by the states, specifically the Blue ones. Okay, and
1:56:00
Speaker 1: I'll call it theF coop. Okay, all right, just.
1:56:04
Speaker 2: In case, all right, So everybody, even the people who
1:56:07
Speaker 2: were proponents of the coof coop, they knew that that
1:56:11
Speaker 2: would result in an economic slowdown, which that self would
1:56:15
Speaker 2: eventually result in inflation. They all, we all knew that
1:56:18
Speaker 2: that was going to be the cost of saving Grandma,
1:56:22
Speaker 2: whether or not she wanted to be saved, right. That
1:56:25
Speaker 2: was the cost of the COOF coop. So yeah, I
1:56:29
Speaker 2: guess you can't say Biden was directly responsible for it.
1:56:33
Speaker 2: I don't think he really helped. So let's get back
1:56:36
Speaker 2: what if what if?
1:56:37
Speaker 1: But what if like the reaction to the coof was
1:56:42
Speaker 1: done specifically to undermine the things that Trump wanted to do,
1:56:46
Speaker 1: I mean, without getting And I don't think that's conspiratorial
1:56:48
Speaker 1: because most of the people who locked down the hardest
1:56:51
Speaker 1: were the ones that opposed him the most. When Florida
1:56:55
Speaker 1: tried to open up, they were like, Oh, look at
1:56:58
Speaker 1: how awful they are. Look at what the Santas is doing. Yeah,
1:57:01
Speaker 1: and then I think we also have the riots that
1:57:04
Speaker 1: also did economic damage, which was allowed to go on
1:57:08
Speaker 1: for months and months and months, and like those cities
1:57:11
Speaker 1: that were impacted, like my hometown of Chicago and Minneapolis,
1:57:15
Speaker 1: they're never going to recover, like not in my lifetime,
1:57:18
Speaker 1: and so those will affect the economy. I know.
1:57:22
Speaker 2: But okay, I think, Okay, what I want to do
1:57:26
Speaker 2: is I want to argue the logic. What he's saying
1:57:29
Speaker 2: is that his friend is making the excuse that that
1:57:33
Speaker 2: Trump's bombs were a result of him inheriting wars, but
1:57:37
Speaker 2: that Trump's economy.
1:57:39
Speaker 1: Was the result of Biden's economy of Biden, and.
1:57:42
Speaker 2: Biden's economy is the result of Trump. Okay, honestly, this
1:57:46
Speaker 2: is what I'm going to say. The American economy is
1:57:51
Speaker 2: the result of becoming the world currency, leaning on the
1:57:56
Speaker 2: world currency in order, so exporting debt instead of exporting
1:57:59
Speaker 2: actual goods, and getting rid of your industry because it's
1:58:04
Speaker 2: cheaper overseas. So I don't know if Trump is necessarily
1:58:10
Speaker 2: going to move the needle on that that much, because
1:58:13
Speaker 2: he's now inheriting the result of decades and decades and
1:58:16
Speaker 2: decades of decisions to gut the economy and replace it
1:58:20
Speaker 2: with basically a currency exportation system, and also the koof
1:58:26
Speaker 2: and also the riots.
1:58:29
Speaker 1: You know.
1:58:29
Speaker 2: So I mean, but so the economy is a much
1:58:34
Speaker 2: more difficult thing. You can't really what I'm what I'm
1:58:36
Speaker 2: ultimately saying is that the economy is much more complicated
1:58:40
Speaker 2: than whether or not a president starts a war or
1:58:43
Speaker 2: ends a war. Okay, all right, So you can't written
1:58:47
Speaker 2: necessarily pinpoint when the economy is good or bad, or
1:58:51
Speaker 2: I think that I personally said into twenty nineteen that
1:58:55
Speaker 2: there were symptoms of recession. But I'm not even sure
1:58:58
Speaker 2: you can pin that on Trump because this these this
1:59:01
Speaker 2: is the result of years and years and years of
1:59:05
Speaker 2: decision making, right, Replacing an economy that's productive with an
1:59:09
Speaker 2: economy that simply exports money. Right, that's years and years
1:59:13
Speaker 2: and years of decisions in the making. And so I mean, like,
1:59:18
Speaker 2: as I don't think you can really put that on
1:59:21
Speaker 2: Trump's shoulders. I also am not sure if he's going
1:59:23
Speaker 2: to be able to completely turn that around either, because
1:59:27
Speaker 2: it's decades of these kinds of decisions, of these kinds
1:59:29
Speaker 2: of what Brian would term status decisions, which are funded
1:59:33
Speaker 2: by the ability to just print monopoly money.
1:59:36
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. Well, and also you don't take money from citizens.
1:59:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what you can say, see what you can
1:59:44
Speaker 2: see and is much more black and white as the wars. Right,
1:59:49
Speaker 2: So I'm saying that this parallel is dishonest.
1:59:53
Speaker 1: Ryeah, Yeah, he.
1:59:54
Speaker 2: Did not start New Wars. Biden started how many New Wars? Three?
2:00:00
Speaker 1: Well, we have three of them, three at least that
2:00:02
Speaker 1: we know of. I don't know if he started him,
2:00:04
Speaker 1: but he was certainly, like you know, a lot of
2:00:07
Speaker 1: it happened like right under his watch, because he was
2:00:11
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, like it was almost like it was
2:00:13
Speaker 1: ready to go, Like yeah, like Russia invading Ukraine and
2:00:17
Speaker 1: the October seventh, all this stuff. It was just like Taiwan,
2:00:21
Speaker 1: like all this stuff was just ready to go. And
2:00:23
Speaker 1: under Trump, none of this was happening.
2:00:25
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so like there a whole bunch of
2:00:28
Speaker 2: stuff happened, and then presumably the bombing ramped up again,
2:00:33
Speaker 2: or maybe they got more clever and made proxy wars more.
2:00:36
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, Like, the more you lean on
2:00:39
Speaker 2: the status argument, the idea that what the US needs
2:00:42
Speaker 2: to do is just export money, which is exploitative. Guys,
2:00:47
Speaker 2: if you're you are handing people something that's worthless for
2:00:50
Speaker 2: something that's worth something, then that's exploitative. I mean, it's
2:00:53
Speaker 2: not worthless because it's a stable currency, right, but but
2:00:57
Speaker 2: it's because of the faith invested in the American economy
2:01:02
Speaker 2: that you guys can do this. You can export debt.
2:01:05
Speaker 2: And I don't mean you as in Brian, I mean
2:01:08
Speaker 2: you as in the swamp in Washington, DC or whatever
2:01:12
Speaker 2: you want to call it, the entrenched bureaucrats in Washington.
2:01:15
Speaker 1: D C.
2:01:16
Speaker 2: All Right, you guys can do this because you are
2:01:19
Speaker 2: the world reserve currency because people will take your money
2:01:21
Speaker 2: for nothing and your chicks for free. Actually nobody wants
2:01:25
Speaker 2: American chicks. Sorry, nobody wants Canadian chicks either. But anyway,
2:01:34
Speaker 2: but the thing is that this is a cost. The
2:01:37
Speaker 2: wars are the cost of this enforcing people using your
2:01:42
Speaker 2: dollar you need. So essentially that system is a system
2:01:47
Speaker 2: of exporting money and exporting war, right, and the leftists
2:01:53
Speaker 2: are advocating for that system. Why are you doing that?
2:01:58
Speaker 2: You're enforced consumption on the American people, because of course
2:02:03
Speaker 2: that's the best way to keep the GDP up is
2:02:05
Speaker 2: to make make Americans consume and then go go bomb
2:02:12
Speaker 2: people that don't want they want to get off your currency,
2:02:15
Speaker 2: and then just print more currency and for goods. That
2:02:20
Speaker 2: is not backed by any kind of productivity. It's just
2:02:24
Speaker 2: backed by the fact that you're enforcing consumption on Americans.
2:02:27
Speaker 2: And then so it's like this, it's this this bomb
2:02:30
Speaker 2: money forced consumption, uh, immigration industrial complex that these leftists
2:02:37
Speaker 2: are advocating for. And it's like, what principles are those
2:02:41
Speaker 2: accept self interest?
2:02:43
Speaker 1: You know?
2:02:44
Speaker 2: All right? So I said a lot of stuff, So
2:02:45
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just I don't know if any of that
2:02:47
Speaker 2: made sense. To you, Brian, I don't.
2:02:48
Speaker 1: Mean no, it's it's fine. I just like, I don't know.
2:02:52
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. But I don't think that
2:02:54
Speaker 1: this guy cares.
2:02:57
Speaker 2: He just wants to He wants to make a disingenuous argument.
2:03:01
Speaker 1: He wants to win, he wants to continue to.
2:03:04
Speaker 2: Argue after conceding the point. Trump didn't start new wars.
2:03:07
Speaker 2: He didn't start new wars because he was focusing on
2:03:10
Speaker 2: something other than the immigration, bombs, world currency industrial complex.
2:03:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you just wind to.
2:03:21
Speaker 2: Snap your way of referring to it. The dollar industrial.
2:03:23
Speaker 4: Complex biked after COVID and then came back down cause
2:03:30
Speaker 4: an effect. COVID happened under Trump, and then Biden inherited
2:03:36
Speaker 4: the economic fallout, just like Trump inherited the wars.
2:03:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, the thing about this, because he's basically trying
2:03:44
Speaker 1: to say that exactly, he's expanding on the point that
2:03:47
Speaker 1: you were bringing up, that you were responding to already.
2:03:49
Speaker 1: But he's trying to say, you know, COVID happened, Biden
2:03:54
Speaker 1: inherited it, and for some reason we're supposed to blame him.
2:03:57
Speaker 1: But again, Trump had a plan at the time. This
2:04:00
Speaker 1: was like this was a unique and novel experience we
2:04:03
Speaker 1: were all having. At least that's what we thought at
2:04:04
Speaker 1: the time. He had a plan, but the states that
2:04:08
Speaker 1: hated him, the bureaucracy, the whatever, the deep state, the
2:04:12
Speaker 1: military industrial complex, the swamp, whatever you want to call it,
2:04:14
Speaker 1: they were all against him because they wanted this to
2:04:17
Speaker 1: become a problem, because they wanted to hurt his economy.
2:04:20
Speaker 1: And yes, then a Biden went in there, and then
2:04:22
Speaker 1: he gets to blame the last guy while also going
2:04:24
Speaker 1: along with all that. So this, this the COVID thing
2:04:27
Speaker 1: went on way longer than it was supposed to. And
2:04:30
Speaker 1: that's not because of Trump.
2:04:32
Speaker 4: Sorry, so biding lower Okay, keep going for the inflation
2:04:39
Speaker 4: and lowered the deficit, just like Trump lowered the number
2:04:43
Speaker 4: of bombs dropped. But notice how only one is acknowledged
2:04:48
Speaker 4: but not the other because it's political bias, compartmentalized life.
2:04:54
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, look at wait wait wait wait, So
2:05:00
Speaker 2: the fact that inflation peaked under Biden is not something
2:05:05
Speaker 2: that we're going to acknowledge. I mean, like, I'm honestly,
2:05:10
Speaker 2: I honestly like one of the things that bugs me
2:05:12
Speaker 2: about this politics is that, and I'm going to both sides.
2:05:17
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Brian the economy is not something you can
2:05:21
Speaker 2: really pin on the current president and more than the
2:05:25
Speaker 2: previous president. It is an ongoing problem. And the ongoing
2:05:29
Speaker 2: problem is that the Dollar industrial complex is taking over
2:05:33
Speaker 2: or has already taken over, and it's a completely different
2:05:37
Speaker 2: type of economy. And like you can blame well to
2:05:43
Speaker 2: basically blame the right, blame the left, or whatever you
2:05:46
Speaker 2: think the party is. But this is an ongoing problem
2:05:49
Speaker 2: that needs a solution, and we can't necessarily appeal to
2:05:51
Speaker 2: conservative values for it. We need a creative, forward thinking solution.
2:05:58
Speaker 2: But I don't see the left even acknowledging it. The
2:06:00
Speaker 2: left solution is to just push it harder, is to
2:06:05
Speaker 2: just continue to basically rape the rest of the world,
2:06:11
Speaker 2: which is really bizarre because they're like, oh, we care
2:06:13
Speaker 2: about other people, No, you don't. You know, obviously don't
2:06:17
Speaker 2: care about other cultures. When you import the you you
2:06:21
Speaker 2: basically strip mind them of their resources, which are people
2:06:25
Speaker 2: you know and like, and you obviously don't care. Don't
2:06:29
Speaker 2: seem to care about the fact that of not starting
2:06:33
Speaker 2: more wars, or at the very least, you seem very
2:06:36
Speaker 2: quick to sell a war to yourself. If you're on
2:06:39
Speaker 2: the what we call the left now, so it's like
2:06:42
Speaker 2: you don't have a solution to this. In fact, in
2:06:46
Speaker 2: many ways, I think the left thinks that the dollar
2:06:48
Speaker 2: industrial complex is a solution. It's all you need. Okay,
2:06:53
Speaker 2: I'm I'm really sorry. I know I'm being composed.
2:06:56
Speaker 1: That's a right, Let's keep going.
2:06:58
Speaker 4: Is I had more money under Trump and I had
2:07:01
Speaker 4: less money under Biden, Therefore Trump good and Biden bad.
2:07:06
Speaker 4: Therefore vote for Trump? Easy, simple and dumb.
2:07:10
Speaker 1: What is if you If you guys thought that shit
2:07:13
Speaker 1: costs too much money these days, you're just dumb. Guys
2:07:16
Speaker 1: can be good. Dark Matter twenty five, twenty five. The
2:07:19
Speaker 1: super highly intelligent, science loving atheist guy just told you so. Yeah,
2:07:25
Speaker 1: number go up, number good dollars.
2:07:27
Speaker 2: Deficit.
2:07:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, the deficit is what he's saying.
2:07:33
Speaker 2: Hmm, well he's well, yes, twenty twenty was.
2:07:37
Speaker 1: The was the coof right and the riots, but yes,
2:07:41
Speaker 1: the coof mostly Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean I think
2:07:47
Speaker 1: something like a pandemic would have an effect on the economy.
2:07:50
Speaker 1: But you know he's saying that you're not you're being
2:07:53
Speaker 1: dumb by like not appropriately blaming the right person. I
2:07:57
Speaker 1: guess it's not really about blame. By the way, I
2:08:00
Speaker 1: don't think anyone. All we want is solutions. Like I
2:08:04
Speaker 1: think most people who voted for Trump this time, they
2:08:06
Speaker 1: weren't like I'm blaming so and so. They're it's like, Okay,
2:08:09
Speaker 1: I want this fixed, and these last four years have
2:08:11
Speaker 1: been hell, so I'm voting for the other guy. That
2:08:14
Speaker 1: was it. I think people made rational choices. I don't
2:08:16
Speaker 1: think they're dumb. I don't think the average person is
2:08:18
Speaker 1: that dumb. I think that this guy is being extremely arrogant.
2:08:25
Speaker 2: Okay, how's this for another rational choice. Let's set aside
2:08:29
Speaker 2: the economy. Trump very much didn't start new wars. Maybe
2:08:33
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of young men who are of draft
2:08:36
Speaker 2: age who appreciate not having a new war started. And
2:08:40
Speaker 2: maybe a president he's going to stop some wars right
2:08:43
Speaker 2: y or reduce them. Or maybe a president who goes
2:08:47
Speaker 2: out with wanting to support free speech right that kind
2:08:51
Speaker 2: of thing. Like Like, as I said, the economy is
2:08:54
Speaker 2: a very complex thing. I don't think the two party
2:08:57
Speaker 2: system is going to fix the American economy. There's something
2:09:01
Speaker 2: more fundamental that has to change or to fix it.
2:09:05
Speaker 2: And that fundamental thing is going to be looking at
2:09:08
Speaker 2: the actual problem and developing a solution. And the actual
2:09:12
Speaker 2: problem is that everywhere, not just in the US, everywhere
2:09:17
Speaker 2: is seeing a productivity collapse, except like emerging economies, you know,
2:09:24
Speaker 2: and we're seeing a productivity collapse because we no longer
2:09:29
Speaker 2: know how to incentivize productivity. And people's that's I mean,
2:09:32
Speaker 2: people are quiet quitting, they are they don't want certain
2:09:36
Speaker 2: jobs because we're just a culture that doesn't know how
2:09:40
Speaker 2: to make its people productive, how to inspire it to
2:09:42
Speaker 2: be productive. That's the solution, that's the problem that we
2:09:46
Speaker 2: need to fix. And regardless, like I said, I don't
2:09:50
Speaker 2: think it's a two party problem because I think it's
2:09:53
Speaker 2: a it's a bottom up problem. But I think that
2:09:57
Speaker 2: if we're going to fix something that requires a bottom solution,
2:10:01
Speaker 2: a president, if I were to be so bold as
2:10:04
Speaker 2: a Canadian, a president who's focusing on giving power back
2:10:08
Speaker 2: to local governance, giving power back to small business, and
2:10:13
Speaker 2: making sure that we have freedom of speech, we're more
2:10:16
Speaker 2: likely to be able to solve that problem in that
2:10:19
Speaker 2: kind of a scenario than we are with a president
2:10:22
Speaker 2: who's like, yeah, I'm going to continue to censor, I'm
2:10:24
Speaker 2: going to continue to increase regulations, I'm going to lean
2:10:27
Speaker 2: even harder on the Dollar industrial complex. And yeah, so
2:10:32
Speaker 2: there you go. I'm not saying that the guy's a messiah,
2:10:38
Speaker 2: but again, you know, just the free speech, it's you.
2:10:41
Speaker 2: It's fine by me.
2:10:43
Speaker 1: Well, I think the state does have a role, and
2:10:45
Speaker 1: that role is to essentially get out of the way.
2:10:47
Speaker 1: But we have one regardless, and if that is the goal,
2:10:51
Speaker 1: then yeah, that's what it should be the most. The viable,
2:10:54
Speaker 1: the viable role of the state is in fact to
2:10:57
Speaker 1: just protect our rights and protect our borders and protect
2:11:00
Speaker 1: our people. That's it, you know, and get out of
2:11:03
Speaker 1: the way. And I think that's what And I think
2:11:05
Speaker 1: part of that also is about reducing the bloat. I
2:11:09
Speaker 1: mean they the government send spend trillions, trillions on the employees.
2:11:15
Speaker 1: I think we can stand to lose a lot of
2:11:17
Speaker 1: those people.
2:11:18
Speaker 2: Oh oh you know what, I can actually respond to
2:11:20
Speaker 2: that guy the previous comment in the vertical chat who said, well,
2:11:25
Speaker 2: I don't want to go back to being productive, having
2:11:28
Speaker 2: a productive economy that produces stuff. Well, if you don't
2:11:31
Speaker 2: want to go back to it, then you are embracing
2:11:34
Speaker 2: all of the issues that the Dollar industrial complex makes,
2:11:37
Speaker 2: which means you have to embrace war on culture or
2:11:42
Speaker 2: on economies. That decide to try to seed from that system.
2:11:46
Speaker 2: You have to embrace immigration, are actually poaching, illegal immigration,
2:11:52
Speaker 2: poaching from other cultures in order to bring in, you know,
2:11:58
Speaker 2: bring in resources you require to keep your mill still moving,
2:12:03
Speaker 2: like you have to. You have to embrace all of
2:12:05
Speaker 2: you have to embrace forced consumption. Like that's what really honestly,
2:12:09
Speaker 2: I think that's what the kof Coop was really about.
2:12:13
Speaker 2: It was about getting people used to the idea of
2:12:16
Speaker 2: forced consumption, like consumption with no personal oversight, Like you
2:12:21
Speaker 2: don't have a choice. You have to consume this corporate product.
2:12:25
Speaker 2: It's really great for the GDP if you think about it.
2:12:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, all right, So you're.
2:12:32
Speaker 2: Embracing all of that when you are, you're embracing predatory
2:12:36
Speaker 2: behavior towards the rest of the world when you embrace
2:12:40
Speaker 2: this idea that the US doesn't have to be productive.
2:12:44
Speaker 2: Do you see what I'm saying, Brian?
2:12:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that I think that.
2:12:47
Speaker 2: Most Americans they do want to have a productive and
2:12:52
Speaker 2: healthy economy, and that means a productive and healthy you
2:12:56
Speaker 2: know family.
2:12:57
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, you know.
2:13:00
Speaker 4: Okay, let's keep going, all right, Trump, easy, simple and dumb.
2:13:05
Speaker 4: So what happens next one of two narratives. The Biden
2:13:09
Speaker 4: recovery is successful and Trump inherits the benefits. The economy
2:13:14
Speaker 4: does well, and Trump gets one hundred percent of the credit.
2:13:18
Speaker 4: Everyone who voted for Trump feels vindicated even though they shouldn't.
2:13:23
Speaker 1: So he's basically already setting again, this is what I'm
2:13:26
Speaker 1: talking about. These people are ridiculous, He's telling he's already saying,
2:13:30
Speaker 1: if everything goes well, then it's undeserved. Trump doesn't deserve
2:13:35
Speaker 1: the credit for it. Okay, So even if he like
2:13:39
Speaker 1: does all of the stuff he sets out to do,
2:13:41
Speaker 1: and like you know, guts the government cuts the spending,
2:13:45
Speaker 1: increases whatever it is, builds the wall, all that ends
2:13:49
Speaker 1: the wars in Ukraine, ends the wars with Israel Palestine,
2:13:53
Speaker 1: puts China in check, puts North Korea in check, whatever
2:13:56
Speaker 1: it is. If he does all of that stuff, he
2:13:58
Speaker 1: doesn't deserve the credit because Biden was already doing it.
2:14:01
Speaker 1: That's what he is claiming, while simultaneously trying to make
2:14:05
Speaker 1: the argument that if things improve and we give Trump
2:14:08
Speaker 1: the credit, we're the ones that are in the wrong right.
2:14:12
Speaker 1: So he's basically just this is all framing, guys. He's
2:14:15
Speaker 1: just setting up the frame so that no matter what
2:14:17
Speaker 1: the outcome, he's right because he's smarter than us.
2:14:21
Speaker 2: Well, and this is what I would say, he's he
2:14:25
Speaker 2: has a point with the economy. I don't actually think
2:14:27
Speaker 2: he's making the point that I'm making. I am improving
2:14:31
Speaker 2: his point by saying, you can't like the economy is
2:14:35
Speaker 2: the result of a lot of bottom up activity.
2:14:40
Speaker 1: Understandable, Allison. But let's say, because this is the thing, Okay,
2:14:44
Speaker 1: Trump can't make people at the bottom like go get
2:14:48
Speaker 1: jobs and start businesses, but he can make it easier
2:14:52
Speaker 1: for them to get jobs by deporting illegal aliens that
2:14:55
Speaker 1: are working jobs that Americans could be working. So if
2:14:58
Speaker 1: he just did that, which is of protecting the border,
2:15:01
Speaker 1: which is a legitimate function of a federal government, then
2:15:05
Speaker 1: people would go get jobs, and then the economy would
2:15:08
Speaker 1: improve have a better opportunity to improve for the bottom up.
2:15:11
Speaker 1: If he guts the government spending so that we're not yeah,
2:15:14
Speaker 1: so that we're not spending billions to Israel or billions
2:15:17
Speaker 1: to Zelenski. If he does it, if he decreases the
2:15:20
Speaker 1: spending there, then that will be more money that we
2:15:23
Speaker 1: can keep in our pockets as taxpayers, which would also
2:15:26
Speaker 1: further incentivize people that are working to contribute because they
2:15:30
Speaker 1: know that they're going to be able to keep more
2:15:32
Speaker 1: of their own money. If he guts the Department of Education,
2:15:35
Speaker 1: which they're talking about eliminating from the federal level, then
2:15:40
Speaker 1: that means that the kids, because the Department of Education
2:15:43
Speaker 1: is not education, he's not getting rid of all of it,
2:15:45
Speaker 1: he's just getting rid of the federal level. Then it
2:15:48
Speaker 1: is spending less money again, so that the states can
2:15:51
Speaker 1: do it, and they'll probably be more likely to do
2:15:55
Speaker 1: things in a fashion that is actually good for children,
2:15:58
Speaker 1: like people who are getting education. All these other things,
2:16:01
Speaker 1: and the free speech thing is actually going to affect
2:16:04
Speaker 1: the economy. I know that you're talking about something that
2:16:07
Speaker 1: he has inherited from decades past, but I'm saying that
2:16:10
Speaker 1: if he starts the machine of you know, the process
2:16:14
Speaker 1: of repairing the damage in his term, we may not
2:16:17
Speaker 1: see it in those four years, but I do think
2:16:20
Speaker 1: that there will be like, if that is the case,
2:16:22
Speaker 1: there will be something to credit him for that dark
2:16:24
Speaker 1: matter twenty five twenty five will not give because he
2:16:27
Speaker 1: has already established the framing, so he's not going to
2:16:31
Speaker 1: keep his mind on that.
2:16:32
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, let's put it this way. You can't
2:16:35
Speaker 2: really blame Obama. You can't blame Biden it, well maybe
2:16:38
Speaker 2: a little bit Biden. You can't blame Trump. The economy
2:16:40
Speaker 2: is something that's I like, I honestly think it's well
2:16:43
Speaker 2: out of the hands of the executive branch. And but
2:16:48
Speaker 2: you can credit him for not starting any other wars.
2:16:52
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but again he could also get out of
2:16:55
Speaker 1: the way, like if you if you report, if you
2:16:59
Speaker 1: deport the elae goals, I'm telling you, it's gonna improve
2:17:02
Speaker 1: the economy. And the only person you can credit for
2:17:05
Speaker 1: deporting the illegals is the federal government. It's the one
2:17:08
Speaker 1: thing they should be doing. That's what I'm saying. I'm
2:17:10
Speaker 1: not saying he should be making up jobs. I'm not
2:17:12
Speaker 1: saying people because like Biden, they they like gave they
2:17:14
Speaker 1: were like, oh we have you know, so many million
2:17:17
Speaker 1: more jobs. Yeah, but they're all government jobs. So that's
2:17:19
Speaker 1: nothing that means that you're just you're just paying into
2:17:22
Speaker 1: It's like plugging, you know, the plug into it, like
2:17:26
Speaker 1: the what is the the meme where it's like a
2:17:27
Speaker 1: picture of a power strip and the plug is plugged
2:17:30
Speaker 1: into the power strip. Like that's not creating jobs. That's
2:17:33
Speaker 1: just that's just circulating the already the money that you're
2:17:36
Speaker 1: already printing. But if you actually, you know, alter the
2:17:40
Speaker 1: landscape in the way that is within the reach of
2:17:43
Speaker 1: the federal government to do, which is to deport the illegals,
2:17:47
Speaker 1: then that will essentially open up the space for regular
2:17:51
Speaker 1: Americans like the people who live in the hollows that
2:17:53
Speaker 1: you know are not because he also wants to drill, right,
2:17:56
Speaker 1: that's going to bring jobs back as well, and he'll
2:17:59
Speaker 1: probably privatize it to some degree, which is also good. Again,
2:18:04
Speaker 1: I know people are black pilling about it. I'm just saying.
2:18:06
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this is gonna happen or this
2:18:08
Speaker 1: is not gonna happen. I'm saying that this is a
2:18:11
Speaker 1: legitimate function of government that can do that, that does
2:18:16
Speaker 1: deserve to be credited in that way, and I think
2:18:18
Speaker 1: we can do that. I don't think it's out of reach. Yeah,
2:18:22
Speaker 1: their ranks gave us five dollars. Oh, did you want
2:18:25
Speaker 1: to say something before I beat the super child?
2:18:26
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I just wanted to say because we're being
2:18:28
Speaker 2: called let's see, I'm looking at the vertical chat. You
2:18:32
Speaker 2: guys are delusional low iq stream. Well, okay, so I
2:18:38
Speaker 2: don't care.
2:18:38
Speaker 1: I mean, like whatever, no, no, no, no, no, no, you guys,
2:18:43
Speaker 1: revisit this in four years and let's see what's changed.
2:18:46
Speaker 1: Let's just come back in four years and we'll talk
2:18:48
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, maybe I'll be wrong. I don't know.
2:18:50
Speaker 1: I never claimed to be right, but we'll see, just
2:18:53
Speaker 1: like twenty twenty four, we'll see.
2:18:55
Speaker 2: Okay, there's a difference between fighting a fire, like maybe
2:18:59
Speaker 2: maybe putting a guard hose on a fire isn't really
2:19:01
Speaker 2: going to put it out, but it's a hell of
2:19:03
Speaker 2: a lot better then spraying it with a gas like
2:19:09
Speaker 2: a nozzle with a stream of gasoline. All right, So
2:19:14
Speaker 2: that I mean, and like I said, I like I said,
2:19:17
Speaker 2: the problems of the economy go a lot deeper than
2:19:20
Speaker 2: I think the executive branch can really change, or any
2:19:24
Speaker 2: aspect of the government can change. The problems of the
2:19:28
Speaker 2: economy go right down to the fact that we no
2:19:31
Speaker 2: longer have a society that incentivizes men and women to
2:19:34
Speaker 2: be productive by basically taking the relationship between men and
2:19:40
Speaker 2: women and using it like a dynamo to ilicit productivity
2:19:44
Speaker 2: and men in productivity and women. That's how that's how
2:19:47
Speaker 2: one hundred gatherers do it. There's a big problem right there.
2:19:51
Speaker 2: That's a problem that's really for artists and writers and
2:19:55
Speaker 2: philosophers to try to address.
2:19:58
Speaker 4: Can't.
2:19:58
Speaker 2: But we don't have those anymore, or because the left
2:20:01
Speaker 2: does fucking nothing. No, it doesn't. It isn't creative.
2:20:05
Speaker 1: We don't have good ones. We have communist ones. That's
2:20:08
Speaker 1: that's not creative.
2:20:09
Speaker 2: That's just bullshit in the past, trying to recycle some
2:20:12
Speaker 2: bronze age bullshit. We don't have creatives anymore to really
2:20:17
Speaker 2: get their teeth into that problem. Maybe maybe I guess
2:20:20
Speaker 2: we could say that we are potentially doing that. But regardless,
2:20:25
Speaker 2: that's that's not something that the necessarily that the government
2:20:28
Speaker 2: can do can address. That's something that needs to go
2:20:31
Speaker 2: bottom up and start with the creatives who are at
2:20:34
Speaker 2: the very edge of human expression.
2:20:36
Speaker 1: Right.
2:20:37
Speaker 2: But he can make things better when it comes to
2:20:41
Speaker 2: being able to express things that people don't want to hear, right,
2:20:48
Speaker 2: just just the free speech, being able to be truthful,
2:20:51
Speaker 2: being able to frame problems, being able to say, hey,
2:20:55
Speaker 2: you know, you people on the left, you don't actually
2:20:57
Speaker 2: have a solution. You're not actually embracing you're just embracing
2:21:02
Speaker 2: a different kind of conservatism. Right, it's not novel to say, hey,
2:21:10
Speaker 2: you know, we're not able to do these things in
2:21:13
Speaker 2: the West, why don't we just take shit from everyone else?
2:21:17
Speaker 2: That's not novel. And that's exactly what you're doing. And
2:21:20
Speaker 2: you're hiding behind virtue. You're outsourcing responsibility to someone else,
2:21:26
Speaker 2: and you're hiding it behind virtue.
2:21:28
Speaker 1: All right, all right, I got a super child from
2:21:30
Speaker 1: Zaraanks for five dollars and he says the length of
2:21:33
Speaker 1: the lockdown's was exactly what the elites wanted. I don't
2:21:35
Speaker 1: remember the outlet I saw this from, but I remember
2:21:37
Speaker 1: seeing a two year stint, which is what they got. Unfortunately,
2:21:41
Speaker 1: they didn't have a backbench they wanted to risk. So
2:21:44
Speaker 1: that's why we got Biden and Harris. If Tulsi proved
2:21:47
Speaker 1: to be as anti Trump as the elites were, they'd
2:21:50
Speaker 1: have loved to have run her. The establishment is calculating,
2:21:52
Speaker 1: that's my read. Yeah, that makes sense, and that's why
2:21:54
Speaker 1: I think Tulsi's with Trump. They they had like the
2:21:57
Speaker 1: FEDS watching her, it's crazy. And then Richard Bierre gives us, yeah,
2:22:02
Speaker 1: they are watching, Well, they're watching a lot of people,
2:22:04
Speaker 1: but Richard Bierre gives us five bucks and says, if
2:22:07
Speaker 1: your ideal model of a society is feudalism, then you
2:22:09
Speaker 1: might want to have infinity infinity migrants to be a
2:22:13
Speaker 1: non technological peasant workforce. Also, infinity migrants will offset the
2:22:17
Speaker 1: unrestricted abortions. All right, yeah that's true. All right, thank
2:22:20
Speaker 1: you Richard Pierre and ZARANX for that. Let's listen to
2:22:24
Speaker 1: some more in truth.
2:22:26
Speaker 4: Depending on what Trump does, he very well may deserve
2:22:29
Speaker 4: some credit if he doesn't mess up the recovery. But
2:22:32
Speaker 4: given what he wants to do, I don't exactly have
2:22:35
Speaker 4: confidence in that, which brings us to the second narrative.
2:22:39
Speaker 4: The second narrative.
2:22:42
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, sir.
2:22:45
Speaker 2: My antenna was peak. It was like my feelers they
2:22:52
Speaker 2: were quiver.
2:22:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, you thought he was gonna make an argument.
2:22:55
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna make an argument.
2:22:57
Speaker 1: Don't just go to no he hand waved it. I don't.
2:23:01
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna do it. He's the Orange man.
2:23:04
Speaker 1: He's bad. Okay.
2:23:05
Speaker 2: No, but I heard like, okay, I'm not wrong, I'm
2:23:09
Speaker 2: not going insane, right, because there was a moment there
2:23:12
Speaker 2: where I'm like, okay, he's like, go back about fifteen seconds.
2:23:17
Speaker 1: I okay, sorry, Brian, oh, I just know he's not
2:23:21
Speaker 1: I mean, we've heard it already. He's not going to
2:23:23
Speaker 1: say anything.
2:23:24
Speaker 4: I DoPT the recovery, but given what he wants to do,
2:23:28
Speaker 4: I don't exactly have confidence in there.
2:23:30
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, Okay, list what he wants to do,
2:23:36
Speaker 2: and list why you don't have confidence in it.
2:23:38
Speaker 1: He doesn't like the tariffs. I think that's like one
2:23:40
Speaker 1: of the things that people I'd agree.
2:23:43
Speaker 2: I think the tariffs might not be the greatest idea,
2:23:46
Speaker 2: but whatever.
2:23:47
Speaker 1: Like well, I mean, like, who are the tariffs gonna hurt?
2:23:53
Speaker 2: Well, they're probably gonna make things more expensive for Americans mm.
2:23:57
Speaker 1: Hmm in the short term or the long term. Why Well, because.
2:24:02
Speaker 2: The thing is that it's going to take a while
2:24:04
Speaker 2: to rebuild industry, right yeah, and uh, definitely in the
2:24:08
Speaker 2: short term.
2:24:09
Speaker 1: But like so, it's basically it's it's the trade off
2:24:13
Speaker 1: is a little bit of pain now for a long
2:24:15
Speaker 1: term long term prosperity.
2:24:18
Speaker 2: Is that the idea, Yeah, if if you can, But
2:24:21
Speaker 2: the thing is that the other thing is if you
2:24:24
Speaker 2: bring industry back, you're also going to be looking at
2:24:26
Speaker 2: more expensive products overall. Right.
2:24:30
Speaker 1: I think Americans are willing to live with that. Maybe
2:24:33
Speaker 1: not American women, but I think but whatever, fuck them.
2:24:38
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, like I said, I'm not sure
2:24:40
Speaker 2: that this like uh, and we're having the conversation he's
2:24:44
Speaker 2: not having. Yeah, honest, I like I said, this is
2:24:49
Speaker 2: something that I think goes into that my statement about
2:24:52
Speaker 2: how the economy to really solve the problems is going
2:24:57
Speaker 2: to require going down the foundation and fix I.
2:25:01
Speaker 1: Think that the tariffs are one of a number of
2:25:05
Speaker 1: different angles that were coming that he's trying to come
2:25:08
Speaker 1: at this from. And I think that there are people
2:25:11
Speaker 1: who take issue with it, but I think that the
2:25:14
Speaker 1: fact is is that the US has been essentially redistributing
2:25:19
Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars to foreign nations for a number of reasons
2:25:23
Speaker 1: for a very long time, and it's put us in
2:25:25
Speaker 1: the hole, and it's put us in last place in
2:25:27
Speaker 1: terms of all of our other priorities. And I think
2:25:30
Speaker 1: that it's time that we do make ourselves a priority
2:25:33
Speaker 1: and that I mean, maybe this what to see how
2:25:36
Speaker 1: this works out. But I think it's not just the tariffs.
2:25:39
Speaker 1: It's also all of these globalist you know, initiatives where
2:25:44
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we want we want America to be
2:25:46
Speaker 1: a part of this thing. We want America to be
2:25:48
Speaker 1: a part of that thing. But what they really mean
2:25:50
Speaker 1: is we want American money for this or that, And
2:25:52
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't be in the business of exporting our
2:25:56
Speaker 1: dollars to other countries. Maybe we should just be in
2:25:58
Speaker 1: the business of producing our own producing our own industry,
2:26:01
Speaker 1: producing our own you know, materials, our own our own businesses,
2:26:06
Speaker 1: and we don't need whatever it was that America exported
2:26:10
Speaker 1: for so long, which was, like you said, the dollar,
2:26:12
Speaker 1: but also culture that was coming out of Hollywood. Hollywood
2:26:15
Speaker 1: is dead. It's basically dead. So we're gonna have to
2:26:18
Speaker 1: make new shit. And you know what, it couldn't have
2:26:21
Speaker 1: come at a better time, So I think that we
2:26:23
Speaker 1: will get that. But what we need is a healthy population,
2:26:28
Speaker 1: which we don't have because of the shit in our food,
2:26:31
Speaker 1: and that is something that they're going to try to address.
2:26:32
Speaker 1: We need a well educated population, which we also don't have.
2:26:36
Speaker 1: You know this, because the people who are the most
2:26:40
Speaker 1: insufferable are the ones that are the best educated, which
2:26:43
Speaker 1: are basically women. And we and we also need to
2:26:47
Speaker 1: change the culture so that women don't see men as
2:26:51
Speaker 1: their mortal enemies, and those things got to happen mainly
2:26:55
Speaker 1: by the bottom, by altering culture. And I don't think
2:26:58
Speaker 1: Trump's gonna prevent people from being creative, though that's not
2:27:02
Speaker 1: really his job, and I think he knows that. But
2:27:04
Speaker 1: I think the tariffs are a conversation we could have.
2:27:07
Speaker 1: But I don't think it stops there. I think it
2:27:08
Speaker 1: comes all from, hey, let's all produce their own shit
2:27:11
Speaker 1: now and stop getting things from China and all these
2:27:13
Speaker 1: other countries that were essentially making richer and richer, you know,
2:27:16
Speaker 1: and stop giving money to the EU so that they can, like,
2:27:20
Speaker 1: you know, essentially use our money to fight proxy wars
2:27:22
Speaker 1: or whatever. Let's not Yeah, no, that's that fair enough.
2:27:25
Speaker 2: Like gets and there's a lot of conversation to be
2:27:27
Speaker 2: had about and it's not necessarily criticizing the American people,
2:27:31
Speaker 2: because I think it's I don't think it's the rest
2:27:35
Speaker 2: of the world that's really fucked over the American people.
2:27:37
Speaker 2: I think it's this this this dollar industrial complex that's
2:27:43
Speaker 2: it's turned. And this is what occurred to me at
2:27:47
Speaker 2: one point, is that in some ways the US seems
2:27:52
Speaker 2: to be heavily influenced by a cabal that would make
2:27:59
Speaker 2: money if civil war broke out, if as the conditions
2:28:04
Speaker 2: of the US decreases, they actually make more money. And
2:28:07
Speaker 2: it's not that they are American. In fact, they work
2:28:10
Speaker 2: against the US. And it's not that they are really
2:28:13
Speaker 2: helping the world. It's that they're helping themselves. And I mean,
2:28:18
Speaker 2: I don't think that the world, like people in the
2:28:21
Speaker 2: world are really against a strong US with exports and
2:28:26
Speaker 2: productivity and creativity and an actual Hollywood that crazed stuff
2:28:32
Speaker 2: that people actually want to watch. I don't think anybody's
2:28:34
Speaker 2: against this, but we are sort of like looking at
2:28:37
Speaker 2: it from the outside, it would be nice to not
2:28:39
Speaker 2: have the dollar imperialism, you know, having these wars that
2:28:44
Speaker 2: are necessitated by keeping people on the dollars the world
2:28:48
Speaker 2: reserve currency, which simultaneously encourages war around the world, and
2:28:55
Speaker 2: also this kind of immigration, which is a drain on
2:28:58
Speaker 2: other cultures, encourages that, but then it also encourages really
2:29:03
Speaker 2: gutting the US too. Does that make sense. It's like
2:29:08
Speaker 2: the US being gutted in the world is being gutted,
2:29:10
Speaker 2: and the people who are benefiting are in those alphabet
2:29:15
Speaker 2: those alphabet soup agencies in Washington, d C. And the
2:29:18
Speaker 2: other people who have fingers in all those pies, you know.
2:29:22
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's baker. Yeah, I know, I know,
2:29:26
Speaker 1: I know. But again, like we have to operate within
2:29:29
Speaker 1: our own means, like do what we can with what
2:29:32
Speaker 1: we have without overextending. And I think that's what you know,
2:29:35
Speaker 1: Trump is trying to do. That's why he had this idea,
2:29:38
Speaker 1: and it's you know, maybe it's a hail Mary play,
2:29:40
Speaker 1: but well, I guess we'll have to see. Yeah, there
2:29:43
Speaker 1: is a respectable way to talk about it without saying
2:29:46
Speaker 1: but the Orange man likes it, so I can't like it. Yeah.
2:29:49
Speaker 2: But and also he's not I thought he was going
2:29:51
Speaker 2: to have an argument.
2:29:53
Speaker 1: Maybe. I don't know, I think he might bring up
2:29:57
Speaker 1: another thing.
2:29:58
Speaker 2: You just switched to another over it. It's like I
2:30:02
Speaker 2: got excited there for a second conversation was starting.
2:30:06
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I don't know why you thought that. Yeah.
2:30:11
Speaker 4: The second narrative is that the economy will not do well,
2:30:14
Speaker 4: and if that's the case, suddenly Trump supporters will magically
2:30:19
Speaker 4: comprehend cause and effect again, and they will blame Biden
2:30:23
Speaker 4: and claim that Trump inherited a disaster and that it
2:30:27
Speaker 4: was all Biden's fault.
2:30:30
Speaker 2: The framework is stupid when it comes to the economy.
2:30:34
Speaker 1: He's creating the he's creating the frame work and it's dumb.
2:30:37
Speaker 1: And then he's going to blame the framework which he
2:30:39
Speaker 1: made up.
2:30:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, well but yeah, but the thing is that, yes,
2:30:44
Speaker 2: it's it's probably it's okay, it's probably not really intelligent
2:30:51
Speaker 2: to blame the current administration or.
2:30:55
Speaker 1: Grant the current immediately preceding one or yeah, or what it's.
2:30:59
Speaker 2: Like that, Like, like I said, the economy is something
2:31:02
Speaker 2: he can do things to try to get out of
2:31:04
Speaker 2: the way. But again, I I don't think the American
2:31:11
Speaker 2: there's a lot of work that needs to get done
2:31:12
Speaker 2: to dismantle the shit that's causing the American economy to
2:31:16
Speaker 2: run off the rails. And uh, and I'm not well,
2:31:19
Speaker 2: we'll see, we'll see what happens. But I don't think
2:31:21
Speaker 2: he can be blamed. He may not be credited, but
2:31:25
Speaker 2: he can't be blamed.
2:31:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's no point in.
2:31:28
Speaker 2: It, Like why don't we just focus on what we
2:31:30
Speaker 2: can do, like as people, to try to solve this problem,
2:31:36
Speaker 2: which is the problem of incentivizing productivity period.
2:31:39
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think that people who voted
2:31:41
Speaker 1: for Trump are too focused on Trump.
2:31:44
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I would, I would leave that
2:31:46
Speaker 2: up to you guys to decide.
2:31:47
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I think that most people
2:31:49
Speaker 1: who voted for him, they have the same opinion that
2:31:52
Speaker 1: I have, which is like, Okay, we're no longer in
2:31:55
Speaker 1: a fucking free fall to our destruction via uh, you know,
2:31:59
Speaker 1: un regulated, unmitigated immigration and all these other problems. Now
2:32:04
Speaker 1: we can get some stability and let's all roll up
2:32:06
Speaker 1: our sleeves and get ready to go to work because
2:32:08
Speaker 1: this is just getting started. That is the general tone
2:32:11
Speaker 1: I get from most people who voted for this guy,
2:32:13
Speaker 1: which is the appropriate attitude. It's not like, OMG, the
2:32:16
Speaker 1: Savior is here. He floated down from Heaven's on a
2:32:18
Speaker 1: flaming horse. Nobody thinks that. Very few people do. And
2:32:22
Speaker 1: most of those people are women who don't have jobs.
2:32:24
Speaker 1: But like the people who have jobs, you know, they know, Okay,
2:32:27
Speaker 1: now we're gonna try to like move the ball towards
2:32:31
Speaker 1: the right direction and address things. And I think that's
2:32:34
Speaker 1: what people who obsess over this is people like him
2:32:37
Speaker 1: because again going back to these people, they are status
2:32:40
Speaker 1: so they believe that everything that happens is top down,
2:32:43
Speaker 1: and that's where it comes from. So when the person
2:32:46
Speaker 1: that's at the top is somebody they don't like, they
2:32:48
Speaker 1: immediately assume that all of the crazy shit that's gonna
2:32:51
Speaker 1: happen is going to be a result of that top
2:32:52
Speaker 1: down person. It has nothing to do with anything else
2:32:55
Speaker 1: that's going on. So of course, if he got his
2:32:57
Speaker 1: person in, which he's not advocating for because you can't
2:33:00
Speaker 1: make the case for that person, but if he did
2:33:02
Speaker 1: get that person in, he would say that, oh, now
2:33:05
Speaker 1: all of the good things are going to spring forth
2:33:07
Speaker 1: from this. Because they're statists, they worship the people at
2:33:10
Speaker 1: the top, that's what they do. So and normal people
2:33:14
Speaker 1: are like, well, okay, this person is not probably not
2:33:16
Speaker 1: gonna be an obstacle, so now I can go and
2:33:18
Speaker 1: do my thing.
2:33:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, and somebody says, no, you guys think of him
2:33:23
Speaker 2: as Jesus. Well, I certainly don't.
2:33:25
Speaker 1: No, I don't think that's true. I think that the
2:33:27
Speaker 1: Alps don't look at the retards and chat. They don't
2:33:30
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. They're just there to troll
2:33:32
Speaker 1: you get a reaction, or just shame people who voted
2:33:35
Speaker 1: for the Evil Orange Man, which again like it's just
2:33:39
Speaker 1: you're you're just you're not even you're not even wrong.
2:33:42
Speaker 1: You're so dumb, like it's just no point. So whatever, Look,
2:33:46
Speaker 1: fuck Trump, he has nothing for you. Yeah, we'll see, okay,
2:33:50
Speaker 1: And the best thing you can do is nothing actually
2:33:52
Speaker 1: for us, Like get out of the way. That's what
2:33:54
Speaker 1: I'm asking for. That's perfect.
2:33:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's perfect.
2:33:59
Speaker 1: That's perfect. That's it. Yeah, support the free speech, that's
2:34:02
Speaker 1: literally you know how much work it takes to support
2:34:04
Speaker 1: free speech. Nothing, you just stand back and let us go. Okay.
2:34:09
Speaker 2: Can also give me give me a free uh free
2:34:12
Speaker 2: pass to come into the US. That's another thing I speak.
2:34:15
Speaker 1: You'll probably go to get that. Just fill out your
2:34:19
Speaker 1: just fill out your paperwork. Okay. So let's let's keep going.
2:34:22
Speaker 4: As to either help or hurt the economy, that narrative
2:34:25
Speaker 4: could have some validity. Maybe Biden could have done more
2:34:29
Speaker 4: to prevent the rampant price gouging, for instance. But if
2:34:33
Speaker 4: he did that, then.
2:34:35
Speaker 1: See again, you see that. Okay, So that's an argument
2:34:38
Speaker 1: I can get. I can get under and and go
2:34:40
Speaker 1: after Okay. So Dark Matter twenty. He is essentially co
2:34:48
Speaker 1: signing the claim made by Kamala Harris that the reason
2:34:52
Speaker 1: why your groceries are more expensive is because the evil
2:34:55
Speaker 1: corporations are price gouging, and only the government can protect
2:34:59
Speaker 1: you from price gouging. That's retarded. Okay, that is retarded.
2:35:06
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to price gouge. You can't make gas station
2:35:09
Speaker 1: charge less or grocery source charge less. It costs more
2:35:14
Speaker 1: because of things that are outside of the control of
2:35:18
Speaker 1: those people, like they have to charge them. Why would
2:35:21
Speaker 1: somebody willingly charge you more when they're trying to get
2:35:25
Speaker 1: your money. When they're trying to get your money, they
2:35:27
Speaker 1: want to compete with people. Price gouging is not a thing,
2:35:31
Speaker 1: not really. So anyway, he's he's retarded. That's it. He's retarded.
2:35:39
Speaker 4: Profits would what it.
2:35:41
Speaker 2: Wasn't It wasn't the gigantic amount of money printing it was.
2:35:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it wasn't that. It was price gouging. The
2:35:47
Speaker 1: evil corporations are added again. The Walmart, your local Kroger
2:35:51
Speaker 1: is charging you, you know, seven bucks for butter because
2:35:54
Speaker 1: they're evil and want your money. Although they've never done
2:35:57
Speaker 1: it ever in history. They just figured it out. Oh,
2:36:00
Speaker 1: we can just charge whatever we want and people will
2:36:02
Speaker 1: have to buy it. It couldn't possibly be because the
2:36:05
Speaker 1: cost of everything is going up because of something the
2:36:07
Speaker 1: government is doing. Nah, it's the evil, greedy corporations.
2:36:11
Speaker 2: It can't be the Dollar industrial complex.
2:36:14
Speaker 1: It's guys. Watched you, guys, if you believe that, you
2:36:16
Speaker 1: watch the many cartoons.
2:36:20
Speaker 4: Have been as good, and the stock market would not
2:36:23
Speaker 4: have done as well, And the narrative would have been
2:36:26
Speaker 4: look at what Biden did to your four to oh
2:36:29
Speaker 4: one ks. Under Trump line went up, but under Biden
2:36:33
Speaker 4: line went down, the narrative would have been so relentless
2:36:36
Speaker 4: that people would have been terrified about their retirements. Damned
2:36:39
Speaker 4: if you do, Damned if you don't. I'm not sure
2:36:42
Speaker 4: what will happen. But if I were forced to bet,
2:36:45
Speaker 4: I'd say scenario two, we are way overdue for a recession.
2:36:51
Speaker 4: Consider the inverted yield curve. This happens when the interest
2:36:55
Speaker 4: rates of Maybe.
2:36:57
Speaker 1: But again, is that Trump's fault or is that something
2:36:59
Speaker 1: that we were driven?
2:37:00
Speaker 2: No, this is the thing Like he's now making the
2:37:03
Speaker 2: argument that whatever happens, if it's negative, isn't really Trump's fault. Like, Okay, congratulations,
2:37:09
Speaker 2: dark matter. This is what I've been saying for the
2:37:12
Speaker 2: entire time that we've been responding to you. The economy
2:37:15
Speaker 2: is well beyond one individual president.
2:37:19
Speaker 1: It is.
2:37:19
Speaker 2: It is the collective decisions of a generation ago up
2:37:24
Speaker 2: to today, like and and and it can't be fixed
2:37:28
Speaker 2: on that level. Like it can maybe get you know,
2:37:30
Speaker 2: like as Brian was saying, maybe Trump can get out
2:37:33
Speaker 2: of the way. Maybe he can encourage the kind of
2:37:37
Speaker 2: individual liberty that can create solutions for this economic problem.
2:37:42
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be bottom up that it's gonna happen.
2:37:45
Speaker 1: So, yes, darkness, But again that's true, Alison. But this
2:37:50
Speaker 1: brings us back to another question. Is dark matter part
2:37:53
Speaker 1: of the solution? Is he going to say let's roll
2:37:56
Speaker 1: up our sleeves and get to work, or is he
2:37:58
Speaker 1: gonna complain about everything thing Trump does for four years
2:38:01
Speaker 1: and just say I told you so at the end,
2:38:03
Speaker 1: no matter what happens. You know what I'm saying, Like,
2:38:06
Speaker 1: is he helping? Is this helping? Like? What's the solution? Right?
2:38:11
Speaker 1: You don't offer anything. You guys voted the wrong way.
2:38:13
Speaker 1: I hope you burn in hell and you have a
2:38:16
Speaker 1: really hard time and you suffer. I hope you never
2:38:18
Speaker 1: know peace. Okay, Well, then I guess you're not really
2:38:20
Speaker 1: part of the solution either way, right, I mean, no,
2:38:23
Speaker 1: you're not. Are you going to go to work.
2:38:24
Speaker 2: Probably not no, because it isn't about actually being productive.
2:38:30
Speaker 2: It's about justifying why you're owed shit.
2:38:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right.
2:38:39
Speaker 4: Short term bonds are higher than that of long term bonds.
2:38:42
Speaker 4: It's usually the other way around. It indicates that investors
2:38:45
Speaker 4: are piling into the longer terms because they lack confidence
2:38:48
Speaker 4: in the economy. This is a recession indicator. Look at
2:38:52
Speaker 4: this chart. Everything below that black line is when the
2:38:55
Speaker 4: yield curve was inverted. Those gray vertical bars represent recessions.
2:39:01
Speaker 4: Now notice the correlation. When the yield curve uninverts, we
2:39:05
Speaker 4: usually experience a recession the following year. Look at the
2:39:09
Speaker 4: early eighties. That recession happened because of the Phillips curve,
2:39:14
Speaker 4: which was when they tried to lower unemployment via higher inflation.
2:39:18
Speaker 4: Those policies began in the sixties and it affected the
2:39:21
Speaker 4: early eighties. Now look at nineteen ninety. That recession was
2:39:26
Speaker 4: caused by the savings and loan crisis and the Gulf War.
2:39:29
Speaker 4: Now see how the yield curve uninverts in nineteen eighty
2:39:33
Speaker 4: nine and then by nineteen ninety we're in a recession.
2:39:37
Speaker 4: Look at the recession of two thousand and one, which
2:39:40
Speaker 4: was the Dot com crash, the yield curve uninverts in
2:39:44
Speaker 4: the year two thousand and by two thousand and one
2:39:47
Speaker 4: we're in a recession. Now, look at the recession in
2:39:49
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, which was the Global financial crisis.
2:39:53
Speaker 4: The yield curve uninverts in two thousand and seven, and
2:39:57
Speaker 4: by two thousand and eight we're in a recession.
2:40:01
Speaker 1: All right, I think I let that one play extra long.
2:40:03
Speaker 1: But like I'm I think that. I mean, that's that's
2:40:10
Speaker 1: definitely a pattern. But I wonder, though, how much of
2:40:12
Speaker 1: this is natural organic and how much of this is constructed? Yeah, yeah,
2:40:20
Speaker 1: I mean that's a good question to ask. You know.
2:40:23
Speaker 4: In twenty nineteen, the yield curve inverted ever so slightly,
2:40:27
Speaker 4: and in twenty twenty we had a mini recession. The
2:40:30
Speaker 4: longer the curve is inverted, the worst the recession. I
2:40:34
Speaker 4: see how long the curve was inverted for the GFC,
2:40:38
Speaker 4: It was about two years, and the recession was really
2:40:41
Speaker 4: bad and lasted for about two years. Now, our current
2:40:45
Speaker 4: yield inversion is massive, about three years long, and it
2:40:50
Speaker 4: went far deeper, and we just uninverted this year. If
2:40:55
Speaker 4: the pattern holds, then we are in for one hell
2:40:59
Speaker 4: of a recession sometime later in twenty twenty five. We
2:41:04
Speaker 4: never fully paid the price for COVID. All we did
2:41:08
Speaker 4: was kick the can down the road.
2:41:11
Speaker 2: And who who what is dark matter? The type of
2:41:14
Speaker 2: person who was advocating for that stuff.
2:41:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, he was telling he was He was laughing
2:41:22
Speaker 1: at people that were said where he presumed had passed
2:41:28
Speaker 1: on because they didn't get the fauci auci and that
2:41:32
Speaker 1: they deserved it. He was definitely in that camp of,
2:41:35
Speaker 1: you know, without getting us in trouble at YouTube. He
2:41:39
Speaker 1: was definitely behind all of that and thought that people
2:41:43
Speaker 1: the reason for all of these financial problems is because
2:41:46
Speaker 1: not enough people did as they were told by the state.
2:41:52
Speaker 1: So yeah, anyway, recession and we want to play the
2:41:58
Speaker 1: rest of.
2:41:59
Speaker 4: Money does not accurately reflect what we did. The next
2:42:03
Speaker 4: recession is payday for COVID, and the pattern shows that
2:42:08
Speaker 4: it will probably happen within a year. But maybe I'm
2:42:13
Speaker 4: wrong and the Federal Reserve pulled off a soft landing, or.
2:42:17
Speaker 2: No, this is a really dumb dark matter. Are you
2:42:21
Speaker 2: actually pro Trump? I'm gonna tell you why. Let's let's
2:42:25
Speaker 2: let him finish, Okay.
2:42:28
Speaker 4: I just would not bet on it. So that's my
2:42:31
Speaker 4: assessment of what happened in the end. The rhetoric surrounding
2:42:36
Speaker 4: the economy and why everyone is paying more for everything
2:42:40
Speaker 4: is what won Trump the presidency. The truth is that
2:42:43
Speaker 4: it's far more nuanced, and where the blame and credit
2:42:47
Speaker 4: should be placed is far more complicated than more money
2:42:52
Speaker 4: with Trump, less money with Biden. But people are very simple,
2:42:57
Speaker 4: fickle creatures, and it is exceedingly easy to lead them
2:43:01
Speaker 4: astray with the power of social media.
2:43:05
Speaker 1: He's floating above everybody. Guys, Did you guys know that?
2:43:09
Speaker 2: Is there any further actual argument or does he just
2:43:12
Speaker 2: a self?
2:43:14
Speaker 1: I think he just kind of I think he just
2:43:16
Speaker 1: jerks off and sucks his own cock for like the
2:43:18
Speaker 1: next two minutes.
2:43:19
Speaker 2: All Right, So I'm going to address your argument here,
2:43:22
Speaker 2: dark matter. Okay, So what you're saying is there are
2:43:26
Speaker 2: some pretty negative economic indicators. I think I actually mentioned
2:43:30
Speaker 2: the yield curve inversion in twenty nineteen. But regardless, there
2:43:37
Speaker 2: are some serious negative economic indicators. It's likely that we're
2:43:41
Speaker 2: going to have a recession. Perhaps. Okay, Well, you've just
2:43:45
Speaker 2: made the argument that you can't blame Trump if something
2:43:48
Speaker 2: really bad happens economically, And I've been making the argument
2:43:51
Speaker 2: that the economy is much bigger than any particular presidential
2:43:58
Speaker 2: or whatever. Okay, so fair enough, you can't blame him
2:44:02
Speaker 2: if it goes really south. Right, that's an excellent argument
2:44:06
Speaker 2: to make their dark matter, I would agree, But what
2:44:09
Speaker 2: happens if he manages to make it not go south?
2:44:14
Speaker 2: What happens if the economy actually improves under Trump instead
2:44:19
Speaker 2: of going into a recession. So essentially, what you've set
2:44:22
Speaker 2: up dark matter, you person who's above everyone, you thousand
2:44:26
Speaker 2: IQ galaxy brain, is that you can't blame Trump if
2:44:31
Speaker 2: it goes south, but if it doesn't go south, there's
2:44:36
Speaker 2: only one reason. Yeah, he managed to pull off an
2:44:43
Speaker 2: economic miracle. All right, can well? Thanks that? That's uh,
2:44:48
Speaker 2: that's was that supposed to be an argument against Trump?
2:44:52
Speaker 1: Was it?
2:44:53
Speaker 2: Like I'm sitting here a little bit on the outside
2:44:55
Speaker 2: of all of.
2:44:55
Speaker 1: This, and I'm like it, Well, I think it's what
2:44:58
Speaker 1: he's saying. Is He's like, I think it's an argument
2:45:01
Speaker 1: against I don't know, Like I guess religious depth, devotion
2:45:06
Speaker 1: to the Orange man, I guess, even though again I
2:45:10
Speaker 1: don't think it's a common thing. I don't think it's
2:45:12
Speaker 1: really true of most people. But that's what they do.
2:45:16
Speaker 1: They say you know, you're in a cult, and it's like, oh,
2:45:19
Speaker 1: you mean the cult that wants that's first of all
2:45:21
Speaker 1: majority of the country. And also you know, believes in
2:45:24
Speaker 1: common sense things like not in doctrining our kids into
2:45:26
Speaker 1: like cutting off their genitals or closing the border or
2:45:30
Speaker 1: you know, having like the ability to afford things. Yeah,
2:45:32
Speaker 1: it sounds really culty to me.
2:45:34
Speaker 2: And also just to answer to anybody who thinks that we,
2:45:39
Speaker 2: me and Brian and people here on the channel generally
2:45:43
Speaker 2: advocate that you don't cut into the genitals of miners
2:45:46
Speaker 2: for any reason, any.
2:45:48
Speaker 1: Reason, including circumcision, of course.
2:45:50
Speaker 2: Including circumcision. No cut into the genitals of miners. Okay,
2:45:55
Speaker 2: that that shit. We would think that would just be
2:45:59
Speaker 2: like a base sick common sense.
2:46:01
Speaker 1: But no, alright, no, we've taken it further. Apparently they're
2:46:05
Speaker 1: trying to take it further. Yeah, it makes you wonder
2:46:08
Speaker 1: if if male general mutilation was how they got their
2:46:10
Speaker 1: foot in the door to do all the other stuff. Well,
2:46:12
Speaker 1: we already do this, so why not just remove the whole.
2:46:15
Speaker 2: Thing, Just stop doing that.
2:46:16
Speaker 1: Actually, like, how about we stop out all of it?
2:46:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, just stop. Yeah, even the intersects like don't don't
2:46:23
Speaker 2: do anything to them. Let them decide when they come
2:46:25
Speaker 2: of age.
2:46:26
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, no.
2:46:28
Speaker 2: Genital cutting before a child is has the ability to. Uh,
2:46:34
Speaker 2: I don't know vote. Okay, all right, So I got.
2:46:38
Speaker 1: I got some uh, I got some some. I got
2:46:41
Speaker 1: some good stuff I want to share, like a good
2:46:42
Speaker 1: little thing.
2:46:43
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, thing.
2:46:46
Speaker 1: So this is a video on Twitter by a woman
2:46:52
Speaker 1: who is waking up to the like she's having a
2:46:56
Speaker 1: moment of clarity. She woke up to the indoctrination. She's
2:46:59
Speaker 1: one of the women did not shave her head and
2:47:01
Speaker 1: put on a blue bracelet and all that. But let's
2:47:03
Speaker 1: listen to her testimony. Okay, here we go.
2:47:06
Speaker 7: I feel like I have a unique perspective with this
2:47:08
Speaker 7: whole election thing because I used to be very, very
2:47:10
Speaker 7: far left. Like I was one of the people having
2:47:13
Speaker 7: a fucking mental breakdown in twenty sixteen when he won, right,
2:47:17
Speaker 7: and I didn't even like him up until six months
2:47:19
Speaker 7: ago when it became very obvious that they were like
2:47:21
Speaker 7: staging a coup and tried to assassinate him, and then
2:47:23
Speaker 7: some shit started clicking. So I'm still very new to
2:47:26
Speaker 7: like this whole side of things. But the thing is,
2:47:29
Speaker 7: like when I when I was very far left, like
2:47:35
Speaker 7: radically far left. I thought I knew what was going on,
2:47:41
Speaker 7: like I genuinely believed I was informed. I thought I
2:47:45
Speaker 7: knew better than everybody else, And that's what these people
2:47:48
Speaker 7: think too. And the thing is is I would get
2:47:51
Speaker 7: so triggered and so angry when people would question me
2:47:55
Speaker 7: because I didn't actually know what the hell I was
2:47:57
Speaker 7: talking about like I thought I did, but really I
2:48:01
Speaker 7: didn't actually know any policies. I didn't actually know any politics.
2:48:04
Speaker 7: All I actually knew was what I had seen online
2:48:07
Speaker 7: in mainstream media, and because everybody was saying I just
2:48:11
Speaker 7: assumed it had to.
2:48:12
Speaker 1: Be right right.
2:48:14
Speaker 7: And I think where a lot of this comes from
2:48:15
Speaker 7: is like people just don't want to be wrong, like
2:48:19
Speaker 7: it's and it's embarrassing to acknowledge that you were wrong
2:48:25
Speaker 7: or that you didn't know as much as you thought
2:48:27
Speaker 7: you did. But I would get so defensive and fly
2:48:31
Speaker 7: off the handle when whenever somebody would question me because
2:48:34
Speaker 7: I didn't actually have any talking points, and the talking
2:48:37
Speaker 7: points I did have were inaccurate, but I didn't want
2:48:42
Speaker 7: to be wrong, so I just kept fucking regurgitating. I
2:48:46
Speaker 7: just kept echoing the same shit that I was hearing
2:48:49
Speaker 7: over and over again, and that's what people are still doing.
2:48:52
Speaker 7: And I don't blame them. I'm not mad at that
2:48:56
Speaker 7: because really, I mean, if you're only exposed to that,
2:48:59
Speaker 7: then that's what you're going to believe. But it's crazy
2:49:06
Speaker 7: to be on the other side of it for this
2:49:09
Speaker 7: election and see just how misinformed people are, and they
2:49:15
Speaker 7: will argue with you, and I won't have a car
2:49:17
Speaker 7: because they will argue with you till they're blue in
2:49:20
Speaker 7: the face, like because they are just so convinced that
2:49:25
Speaker 7: they're right.
2:49:27
Speaker 2: All right.
2:49:28
Speaker 1: I wanted to share that because it goes to show
2:49:31
Speaker 1: that we, I think, can still get people to at
2:49:36
Speaker 1: least try to look at a fuller picture if we
2:49:40
Speaker 1: have the reach to do that. And that's what it
2:49:42
Speaker 1: comes down to, this whole thing about free speech that
2:49:44
Speaker 1: we've been bringing up every so often. If she can
2:49:48
Speaker 1: she deprogrammed herself. I think that there's hope for everybody.
2:49:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, why is it so addictive to be right? I
2:49:58
Speaker 2: think that's a good question.
2:49:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's exactly That's what I've been saying. Uh,
2:50:03
Speaker 1: there's something it's pride and what I mean I mean like, yeah,
2:50:07
Speaker 1: there's like a certain pride that people.
2:50:10
Speaker 2: Are vanity to it. Yeah, And it's like, this is
2:50:14
Speaker 2: something that I've been thinking about a lot because actually,
2:50:17
Speaker 2: as a result of that, a whole mass reporting Twitter
2:50:22
Speaker 2: jail incident because I said that, well, I basically said
2:50:26
Speaker 2: that women rape as much as men do, and it
2:50:29
Speaker 2: just it And the thing is that I just said that, right,
2:50:33
Speaker 2: and it just blew people like conservatives and feminists are
2:50:37
Speaker 2: just going ape shit in my comments, and I'm like, well,
2:50:41
Speaker 2: first of all, just saying that shouldn't cause people to
2:50:45
Speaker 2: have such a strong emotional reaction, right if you think
2:50:49
Speaker 2: about it, men rape is where women rape as much
2:50:52
Speaker 2: as men, Like, Okay, I should be able to say that,
2:50:55
Speaker 2: I should be able to assert that, I should be
2:50:57
Speaker 2: able to assert that as a conjecture or hypothesis and tested.
2:51:01
Speaker 2: Why are people losing their shit? Right? Because it's just
2:51:06
Speaker 2: it's just a statement. It's just a possibility that's being
2:51:09
Speaker 2: put out there now. I have statistics to suggest that
2:51:12
Speaker 2: it's true. But why are people so flipping out about it?
2:51:16
Speaker 2: And I think I know why. It's because the entire
2:51:19
Speaker 2: narrative that men are more sexually degenerate and monstrous than
2:51:23
Speaker 2: women gives women a position from which they can always
2:51:29
Speaker 2: be right morally and anyway. So I thought that was
2:51:33
Speaker 2: really fascinating. But why is it that people need to
2:51:36
Speaker 2: be right so much? Because if I think about my life,
2:51:40
Speaker 2: it's where I've realized that I'm wrong, that the most
2:51:43
Speaker 2: interesting things start to happen right when you question yourself,
2:51:48
Speaker 2: when you question your assumptions, it's it's you know, you
2:51:51
Speaker 2: become curious about the world again, and that's, you know,
2:51:55
Speaker 2: that's a much more fun place to be than constantly
2:52:00
Speaker 2: trying to enforce certainties that on other people that you
2:52:03
Speaker 2: don't even have yourself. That's the other thing that was
2:52:05
Speaker 2: interesting about what she said. She was getting angry because
2:52:09
Speaker 2: she knew she didn't know she was right. She just
2:52:12
Speaker 2: wanted to be right, you know. Yeah, And it's like, well,
2:52:17
Speaker 2: that's missing a step, isn't it, Because you want to
2:52:21
Speaker 2: make sure what you're saying is at least in the
2:52:23
Speaker 2: realm of possible. Maybe it isn't completely right, but just
2:52:27
Speaker 2: in the realm of possible. And yet you're not, you know,
2:52:31
Speaker 2: aren't concerned about that. You're concerned about being perceived to
2:52:34
Speaker 2: be right by the people around you, not whether or
2:52:37
Speaker 2: not what you're saying is right. Get what I'm saying
2:52:40
Speaker 2: you won't be right, rather than know that what you're
2:52:43
Speaker 2: saying is right.
2:52:46
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