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Raging MOTHER-IN-LAW ORDERS HIT ON MURDERED LAW-PROF SON IN LAW? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece.
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  Speaker 2: A mother in law so consumed with rage, with anger
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  Speaker 2: over her daughter's divorce and subsequently not having visitation with
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  Speaker 2: her grandchildren, that she commits murder.
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  Speaker 3: She murders her own son in law over visitation. It's
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  Speaker 3: really hard to imagine that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so often when we hear about a violent crime,
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  Speaker 2: many people will make excuses. Oh, they were under stress,
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  Speaker 2: they grew up in a bad family, they're uneducated, they're this,
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  Speaker 2: they're that that, they were using drugs, they were using alcohol,
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  Speaker 2: a million excuses.
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  Speaker 3: Let me tell you about this mother in law.
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  Speaker 2: Her family, highly educated, called a five star family by politicians, lawmakers, rabbis,
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  Speaker 2: friends of the family's neighbors. No one within their circle
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  Speaker 2: can accept this woman, the matriarch of a very wealthy,
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  Speaker 2: very educated family, whatever, do such a thing. But guess what,
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  Speaker 2: I agree with police, she did it. She had her
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  Speaker 2: old son in law murdered because he refused to give
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  Speaker 2: up his children. I can hardly believe it. You know, women,
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  Speaker 2: grandparents in laws all over the world only wish their
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  Speaker 2: son in law would pay attention to the children, be
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  Speaker 2: a good father, show up, be their nurture.
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  Speaker 3: He was doing that and now he's dead, shot in
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  Speaker 3: the head because of the mother in law. Are you
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  Speaker 3: kidding me?
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  Speaker 2: Sadly, It's no joke, It's real. I couldn't make this up.
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  Speaker 2: I Meancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious
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  Speaker 2: X one eleven. It's a lot to take in. Let
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  Speaker 2: me just start with our friends at crime Online.
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  Speaker 4: Donna Adelson, the mother of recently convicted murderer Charlie Adelson,
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  Speaker 4: is caught by police trying to board a plane leaving
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  Speaker 4: Miami and heading to Vietnam. Her husband, Harvey, is with
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  Speaker 4: her as police take her into custody, the latest person
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  Speaker 4: to be arrested in the murder for higher Plot killing
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  Speaker 4: of Nan Markel. WFSU reports, Donna Adelson is now in
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  Speaker 4: Tallahassee and will be held without bond in the Leon
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  Speaker 4: County Jail. In charging documents and a warrant request, prosecutors
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  Speaker 4: noted that on recorded jail phone calls, Adelson discussed killing
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  Speaker 4: herself and leaving the country. Following Charlie Adelson's conviction, he
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  Speaker 4: is facing a mandatory life sentence. Three other people have
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  Speaker 4: also been convicted in Markel's murder. Donna and Harvey Adelson
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  Speaker 4: had one way tickets purchased for Vietnam. Vietnam has no
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  Speaker 4: extradition agreement with the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand this with me in All Star
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  Speaker 2: Pound to make sense of what we know right now.
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  Speaker 2: But first two, Joel Waldman joining us out of this
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  Speaker 2: jurisdiction in Florida, host dom surviving the survivor Joel the
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  Speaker 2: mother in law. First of all, who's Charlie Adelson. Charlie
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  Speaker 2: Adelson is It's the brother in law. And he's not
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  Speaker 2: just the brother in law. He's apparently a very well
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  Speaker 2: respected periodontist.
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  Speaker 3: This is the brother in.
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  Speaker 2: Law of the dead husband, the dad, Dan Markel, the
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  Speaker 2: law professor. So I want to first start with the
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  Speaker 2: mother in law trying to flee the jurisdiction to Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: But this is just after her son is convicted in
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  Speaker 2: the murder.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just start.
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  Speaker 2: Why is the mother in law at the airport with
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  Speaker 2: her husband, Harvey, with a one way ticket to Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me how that whole thing went down.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, in a word, she didn't want to be arrested,
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  Speaker 5: and she knew that it was coming. And it's really
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  Speaker 5: a remarkable story. It's one of the most fascinating true
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  Speaker 5: crime stories that you'll probably ever hear.
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  Speaker 3: Of hate Joel, Yes, just right there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a crime victim. My fiance was murdered Trot before
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  Speaker 2: our wedding, and I know it seems fascinating, and I
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  Speaker 2: agree with you. The dynamic here is fascinating and interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like looking at one of those beautiful
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  Speaker 2: snakes under a glass case, you know, fun for some
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  Speaker 2: people to look at them. To me, it's revolting. It's
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  Speaker 2: revolting because I remember what it feels like to have
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  Speaker 2: the thing you love the most in the world taken
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  Speaker 2: away forever. So when we say fascinating remarkable, I've been
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  Speaker 2: to a lot of murder scenes. The blood gets sticky,
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  Speaker 2: it's got hair in it, it smells, and almost within
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  Speaker 2: a couple of hours, the victim there's some kind of
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  Speaker 2: a smell attached to it.
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  Speaker 3: I can't describe it. It's horrible.
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  Speaker 2: So when we say remarkable and fascinating, yes, I agree
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  Speaker 2: with you. But these children are growing up without a father,
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  Speaker 2: and I find it revolting. I find it horrible that
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  Speaker 2: they would do this, no matter how angry they are
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  Speaker 2: about the divorce, they would do this. So with the
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  Speaker 2: victim in mind, I want you to tell me everything
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  Speaker 2: you know, Joel Waldman, because you know a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I could not agree with you more
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  Speaker 5: about the way you rephrased me there, Nancy, and I
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  Speaker 5: have to say that I'm in constant touch with the
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  Speaker 5: Markelle family and everything we do on the podcast is
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  Speaker 5: really to get justice ultimately for Dan Markell. What a
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  Speaker 5: lot of people don't know is that this happened over
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  Speaker 5: nine years ago, so they've been waiting for justice all
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  Speaker 5: these years. The two convicted hitmen are in prison, as
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  Speaker 5: it is.
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  Speaker 6: The middle woman.
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  Speaker 7: But just to get back to your original question about.
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  Speaker 5: Donna Adelson, it was on a Monday that Charlie Aedelson,
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  Speaker 5: the ex brother in law, was convicted, and then exactly
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  Speaker 5: a week to the day, Donna Adelson is arrested at
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  Speaker 5: Miami International Airport, which is just a stone's throw from
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  Speaker 5: where I am sitting. And what we found out since
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  Speaker 5: then is almost immediately after Charlie's conviction, Donna and her
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  Speaker 5: son Charlie were on the phone for thirty five hours
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  Speaker 5: that week.
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  Speaker 2: Good Lord in Heaven, thirty five hours in one week, guys,
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  Speaker 2: you're hearing Joel Waldman. He is a host of an
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  Speaker 2: incredible podcast, Surviving the Survivor. Joel, don't lose any of
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  Speaker 2: those thoughts, because I've got to tell you, just talking
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  Speaker 2: to you at the beginning gave me chills all up
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  Speaker 2: and down my arms because I'm thinking of my husband,
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  Speaker 2: who I love so deeply.
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  Speaker 3: He's a saint.
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  Speaker 2: The thought that someone would take him away from me
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  Speaker 2: and my twins who made that father figure so.
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  Speaker 3: Much, it's very upsetting.
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  Speaker 2: Dave Arenberg is joining us Palm Beach County state attorney
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  Speaker 2: and friend of Dan Markel.
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  Speaker 3: Also with me Tamara Demco.
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  Speaker 2: I've got that she is a doctor at a jd
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  Speaker 2: an RN.
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  Speaker 3: She went to Harvard Law School.
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  Speaker 2: But aside from all of her education in her achievements,
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  Speaker 2: she's a close friend of the murder of victim Dan Markel.
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  Speaker 3: And again this case is.
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  Speaker 2: Like my head is spinning around with all the ins
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  Speaker 2: and outs of this case. But to break it down,
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  Speaker 2: this law professor Dan Markel, young, attractive, devoted father. He
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  Speaker 2: goes out of town, he comes back, half the furniture
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  Speaker 2: is gone, and the children are gone, and he can't
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  Speaker 2: find the children. That starts a very acrimonious divorce with
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  Speaker 2: Wendy Adel's son Okay as her mother that just got
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  Speaker 2: nabbed on a one way taken to Vietnam, dragging along
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  Speaker 2: the father. What did he know, Harvey? Is he just
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  Speaker 2: along for the writer?
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  Speaker 3: Did he know anything? Long story short?
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  Speaker 2: David Ehrenberg, before I go to tamaraw Dave, I heard
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  Speaker 2: you say something that I researched intensely. You were describing
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  Speaker 2: Wendy's brother, the brother in law now convicted and murder
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  Speaker 2: and you referred to him as the Maestro. And you
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  Speaker 2: mentioned he drives around town in his ferrari and his
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  Speaker 2: name tag. I mean the license plate actually says the Maestro.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, Nancy is good to be with you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: He is someone who's very self assured.
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  Speaker 3: That's one way to put it right.
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  Speaker 8: It was a book by Bob Woodward years ago about
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  Speaker 8: the Maestro I think it was Alan Greenspan and how
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  Speaker 8: he controlled the world's economy. This is how he sees
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  Speaker 8: himself in that same vein that he controls things. So
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  Speaker 8: you know, that's pretty interesting piece of evidence to show
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  Speaker 8: that this guy self assured, to use the euphemism, is
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  Speaker 8: the kind of guy who would help plan a murder
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  Speaker 8: and think he could get away with it.
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  Speaker 2: Is he just as smarter than everybody in the room.
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  Speaker 2: What they can't read? That sign in the jail says
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  Speaker 2: this is being recorded.
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  Speaker 3: Hello exactly?
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  Speaker 8: You know he was so cocksure himself throughout the trial,
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  Speaker 8: the fact that he took the stand and spun this
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  Speaker 8: preposterous lie that he was the victim of extortion, which
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  Speaker 8: made no sense, and he believed he had won over
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  Speaker 8: at least one member of the jury, and so he
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  Speaker 8: was shocked. You should see the face when he walked
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  Speaker 8: in after a short deliberation, because he knew his goose
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  Speaker 8: was cooked.
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  Speaker 2: And he just put his head down, like, I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe somebody has finally called me on my shrit He
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  Speaker 2: finally finally had to answer up that he arranged the
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  Speaker 2: hit on his sister, Wendy's husband.
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  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy, Grace with me.
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  Speaker 2: Tamara Demco, a very dear friend of Dan Markale's, was
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  Speaker 2: living in Tallahassee when Dan was murdered. Tamara, I hardly
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  Speaker 2: even know where to start, but why don't we start
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  Speaker 2: with the day of the murder?
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  Speaker 3: What happened to be with you?
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  Speaker 9: Nancy? I did not find out about Danny being shot
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  Speaker 9: until he had already passed. So the nineteenth of July,
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  Speaker 9: I received an email from a law school friend that said,
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  Speaker 9: I just heard what happened to Dan. Are you okay?
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  Speaker 9: And she knew that I was very close to Danny,
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  Speaker 9: so I want to say book And I looked and
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  Speaker 9: I saw the awful news and it was horrifying because
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  Speaker 9: he was shot in broad daylight before noon on the
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  Speaker 9: eighteenth a Friday. I was working two miles down the
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  Speaker 9: road while my dear friend was being murdered, and the
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  Speaker 9: thought was just horrifying. It broke my heart to hear
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  Speaker 9: the news, and it was very devastating.
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  Speaker 2: Tamara, I think you'll agree with me. Women all over
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  Speaker 2: the world only wish their husband would take the children
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  Speaker 2: to school in the morning. Do the school run. I
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  Speaker 2: happened to love, that's my favorite part of the day.
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  Speaker 2: But be involved, play with the children, do something with
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  Speaker 2: the children. And I mean, I got lucky because my
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  Speaker 2: husband does. But so many women feel that it's all
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  Speaker 2: on them. And here's the guy, your friend, Danny Marcel,
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  Speaker 2: who is fighting tooth and.
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  Speaker 3: Nail for his children. What if anything, do you know
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  Speaker 3: about his battle with his wife?
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  Speaker 2: And his in laws over the children.
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  Speaker 9: I think you're absolutely right, Nancy. Danny was just so
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  Speaker 9: passionate for life, and he was most passionate about his boys.
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  Speaker 9: He was a loyal friend, someone who would go out
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  Speaker 9: of his way to see you and to support you,
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  Speaker 9: and he was just a blessing to everyone he met.
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  Speaker 9: But the boys were his life, and he would even
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  Speaker 9: take time out of his schedule to go meet up
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  Speaker 9: with the boys just for snack time. That's the kind
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  Speaker 9: of dad he was. He'd also see them to sleep
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  Speaker 9: at night, and he would play with them. He was
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  Speaker 9: just a wonderful, wonderful dad, and the boys deserved and
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  Speaker 9: still deserved to know him and who he was. The
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  Speaker 9: divorce was very contentious.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's one way to put it, Tamara. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: because did I have those facts right? He goes, he's
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  Speaker 2: a professor. It is FSU correct. Danny Markel was a
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  Speaker 2: professor at FSU.
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  Speaker 9: Florida State University, correct.
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  Speaker 2: And was apparently in the academic world very well regarded.
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  Speaker 3: He was also devout.
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  Speaker 2: Because Joel, woman, I'm diverting away from Tamara, but I
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  Speaker 2: want her answer.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it true that we find.
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  Speaker 2: Out the mother in law Donna Adelson, she quit work
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  Speaker 2: and spent her whole life cultivating her three children like
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  Speaker 2: they were hothouse plants, going to the right schools, going
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  Speaker 2: to the right camps over the summer, getting this award
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  Speaker 2: and that award, and the whole shebang. And I'm not
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  Speaker 2: detigrading that, I'm applauding that. But isn't it true that
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  Speaker 2: she tried to get Wendy to bribe Danny with a
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  Speaker 2: million dollars to him up the children, essentially let them
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  Speaker 2: move seven or eight hours away to be close.
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  Speaker 3: To her, the grandma.
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  Speaker 2: And then when that didn't work, she wanted Wendy to
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  Speaker 2: threaten to raise them as Catholics, yeah, and have them
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  Speaker 2: baptized and they were devout Jews, thinking that would throw
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  Speaker 2: them over the edge, and Wendy, to her credit on
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  Speaker 2: that well, ostensibly would not do it.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't that happen, Joel Waldman.
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  Speaker 5: Nancy, this just shows you how demented the matriarch, Donna
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  Speaker 5: Aedielsen is at the wedding. Obviously, prior to all the acrimony,
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  Speaker 5: Dan Markel, as he just mentioned, was becoming more and
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  Speaker 5: more involved in his Judaism. He really wanted a kosher wedding,
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  Speaker 5: and lo and behold at the wedding itself, they pulled
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  Speaker 5: all the kosher food. It was something that was perplexing
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  Speaker 5: to the Markell family. They couldn't understand it. They had
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  Speaker 5: friends who are coming who would only eat kosher food.
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  Speaker 5: And then as things heated up, and as this to
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  Speaker 5: force got more and working.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, woa, whoa Joe, Wait, isn't this was this the
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  Speaker 2: big wedding with two hundred guests in Boca Raton.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, it is two hundred plus guests.
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  Speaker 3: And it was in the New York Times.
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  Speaker 2: You know how hard it is to get your wedding.
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  Speaker 2: I did not try, Jack, You don't look at me
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  Speaker 2: that way. I was lucky to get it in the
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  Speaker 2: Making Telegraph. Oh and the headline was something like Grace
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  Speaker 2: secretly Mary's husband converts from that Baptist to Methodist. Okay
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  Speaker 2: converts anyway, something to that effect was in some paper.
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  Speaker 2: Long story short, it was so big. It was in
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  Speaker 2: the New York Times. Lavish, Wait, this is the first
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  Speaker 2: I've heard that they pulled the kosher food. Who pulled
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  Speaker 2: the kosher food?
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  Speaker 5: This is the Adelson family. They pulled the kosher food,
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  Speaker 5: and all the guests there. You know, probably a good
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  Speaker 5: portion would only eat kosher food. So there goes the
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  Speaker 5: wedding meal for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: And I bet Markel threw a fit like nobody's business.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy Yes, Karen Stark's psychologist at Karenstark dot com.
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  Speaker 3: Karen with a c oh, Karen, go go go the.
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  Speaker 8: Mother in law.
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  Speaker 10: They have given them a wonderful education, but there are
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  Speaker 10: no good values of morality that we're talking about. They
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  Speaker 10: didn't seem to get that at all. What an outrageous story.
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  Speaker 10: You have guests who can.
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  Speaker 2: Eat, Karen, you do know there's been a murderer, so
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  Speaker 2: let's not get too hung up on the wedding.
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  Speaker 3: Although I agree with you that, I mean, I.
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  Speaker 10: Know nance, but you know what, the thing that really
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  Speaker 10: gets to me the most beside the murder are the children.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, back to the children, thank you. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get the ship right and bask out of the weeds
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  Speaker 2: and back on the road. And since we're so much
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  Speaker 2: on the road and we're out of the wage, Joel Waldman,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it also true that there's a third sibling. You've
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  Speaker 2: got Wendy who was married to the murder victim and
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  Speaker 2: to this day, everyone insists she knew nothing about the
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  Speaker 2: plot her mother and brother to kill him. You got Wendy,
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  Speaker 2: you got the brother, Charlie, who's convicted of hiring a
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  Speaker 2: hitman to kill his brother in law. And you've got
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  Speaker 2: a third sibling that was in love with an Indian
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  Speaker 2: girl who was Hindu, and the parents, the Adolsons, threw
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  Speaker 2: such a fit. He broke off married someone that they
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  Speaker 2: would accept. That marriage fell apart after a couple of years,
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  Speaker 2: and he went back to his original first love and
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  Speaker 2: they're together today.
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  Speaker 3: Is that right, Joel Waltman?
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  Speaker 5: That is one hundred percent correct. There is just such
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  Speaker 5: thick irony here. And I have to say this because
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  Speaker 5: the podcast is called Surviving the Survivor because my dear
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  Speaker 5: mother is a Holocaust survivor, and this Jewish grandmother, Donna Adelson,
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  Speaker 5: at one point threatened to have her own Jewish grandchildren
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  Speaker 5: march down the streets in Nazi uniforms. Den Markell was
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  Speaker 5: too Jewish. Den Markell was too Jewish, but Rob Adelson
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  Speaker 5: in marrying a non Jewish woman, she was just beside herself.
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  Speaker 5: So they dug their noses into that relationship. Insisted that
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  Speaker 5: Rob Adolson the now estranged son of the Adelson family
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  Speaker 5: marry a Jewish woman. He did for a short time,
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  Speaker 5: he was not in love, and then later he reconnects
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  Speaker 5: with this Indian doctor, this woman, and now he is
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  Speaker 5: happily married and completely disconnected from the Adolson family.
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  Speaker 2: Dave Ehrenberg, I'm having a hard time believing what I'm hearing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 8: Joel is one hundred percent correct. They are not going
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  Speaker 8: to win Parents of the Year. There was an article
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  Speaker 8: that came out from a supporter of the Adolsns which
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  Speaker 8: was a little suspicious because of the timing. It looks
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  Speaker 8: like perhaps it was from a paid supporter, someone who
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  Speaker 8: said he's known the Eedel sence forever and they would
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  Speaker 8: never do something like this. They must be ancent. But
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  Speaker 8: then it was revealed that the author of the peace
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  Speaker 8: hadn't spoken to the Aelsons in twenty five plus years,
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  Speaker 8: hadn't seen them in more than twenty five years. So
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  Speaker 8: they don't have a lot of defenders right now, Nancy.
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  Speaker 8: And the big question is if and when we expect
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  Speaker 8: it to be a win Donna is found guilty. What's
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  Speaker 8: the next shoot of ball, Because I don't think prosecutors
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  Speaker 8: will be done there.
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  Speaker 2: You mean you believe prosecutors are going to go after
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  Speaker 2: the father in law, Harvey Adelson, who was with Donna
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  Speaker 2: Adelson on his way to Vietnam. Didn't he go, hey,
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  Speaker 2: why are we going to Vietnam? I mean, or why
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  Speaker 2: don't we have a one way ticket to Vietnam?
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: We're not coming home?
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: And you know what that is.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that and several of the phone calls that
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: are under suspicion.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Of course, the fans got in on this. Guys.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: We cannot sign off without talking about the bump, Okay,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: which I'll get to. But his phone, Harvey Aedelson's phone
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: took a lot of the phone calls around the time
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: of the murder.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: But you know what, let's bring it home. Let's bring
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: at home just a moment.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to our cut to the nine
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: to one one called Dan Markle, father of two I mean,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: beautiful boys dead. He drops them off at school, he
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: goes to workout. He's in his un garage, sitting in
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: its car. I don't know what em Oh, he's on
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: a phone call making calls and he's shot in the head.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Listen to this, Okay, what's going on?
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: With him.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know. The driver's side window is all bashed
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: in and he's got blood all over his head.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: To Tamara Demco, she is a doctor, she is a jd.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: She is an our n.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: She's a Harvard law school classmate with Danny Markel. She's
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: known since nineteen ninety seven. Was at work a few
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: blocks away when Danny was murdered. When I think of this,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I know he was brilliant. I know he's a Harvard lawgride.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I know he's a a law professor, wrote all sorts
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: of very impressive works of legal acuity.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I know that.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: But a dad so involved, so full of life, it's
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: very hard for me to take in that his own
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: in laws would have him killed.
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: Very hard for me to wrap my mind around that too.
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: I actually grew up in the same town as the Aedolson's,
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: my family's home a mile away from their home, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: I guess lectured for Wendy Edelson in her law school classes.
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: It was really something that I did not want to
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: consider as a possibility, and it's heartbreaking in and of itself.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Tamara, of course you were not on Charlie Adelson's The Maestro,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: But now that you were seeing the evidence unfold, what
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: do you think.
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: I think that there was a very concerted effort and
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: a longtime planning. I believe the Aedelson's or planner. I'm
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: very grateful for everyone who's worked hard for justice in
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: this case, and I firmly believe and hope that justice
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: will continue to happen and will continue to seek it
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: to the point where everyone involved is held accountable, and
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: that a callous disregard for life and the cold calculation
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: of the murder is not something that a self serving.
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: This kind of self serving, premeditated and heinous act should
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: never be viewed as inconsequential and repeated by anyone. And
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: that's the just kind of justice that I'm looking for.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Tamara Demko joining us. Did you know Donna Adelson, the
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: mother in law.
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: I had been to their home in Coral Springs. I
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: had also been to Wendy's home on Aqua Ridge. And yes,
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: I've met Donna several times. I've had drinks with her,
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: I've had dinner. I've gone to high holiday services with
• 23:55
  Speaker 9: the family as well.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Can you just tell me what she is like, what
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Harvey Adelson is like, what Charlie Adelson is like.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: There are people even when confronted with.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: The evidence, and it's pretty strong evidence, including fifty six
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars in cash put in the go between account.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Charlie Adelson's girlfriend.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Who hired her, who arranged for her common law husband
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and his friend to do the hit. Her account gets
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: all this money poured into it, the hit men get money,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: and Charlie Adelson, Hey, Dave Ehrenberg and Joel Waldman jump
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: in if I've got this wrong. There are a lot
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: of meticulous facts in this case. But Charlie Adelson had
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: a habit he whenever dealing with cash, would staple the
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: money together. I've never seen that in my life. And
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: they would get cash stapled together.
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: That is correct. It's like a fingerprint, you know. That
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: was a unique thing that only Charlie did. And for
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: the defense lawyers, they had a problem. How do you
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: explain that the killers had in their possession of these
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: stapled stacks of bills?
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: How do you explain it?
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: Well, Charlie, I think that he built his defense around
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: that where he tried to explain it by saying that
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: he was the victim of an extortion plot and that's
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: why he had to pay the killers or else they
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: would kill him and his family. Of course it didn't
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: make any sense.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Well then how come he's still alive?
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: Well, and that's and also it's not how extortion works
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: where the killers go and first murder your enemy and
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: then they come back and they say, Okay, we've killed
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: your enemy. Now we're going to kill you and your
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: family unless you pay up. Why not just skip ahead
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: to just say pay us or we're going to kill
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: you in your family. So none of this made any sense.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: He hated Dan Markel, correct, Charlie Aielsen hated Dan Markel.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: So that's theory is completely fast Awkwards exactly.
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: It made no sense and the jurors didn't buy it either.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Tamorrow dimco back to you, I was asking.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: You what were the Adolesoon's like specifically Donna.
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: Donna seemed like an involved and loving mom. She was
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: great to have to chat conversations with, and she was
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: very proud of her children, very much involved with the
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: grandchildren as well. I think from the surface level, they
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: seemed like a normal family. If you were to go
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: to their home in Coral Springs, there are pictures up
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: on the wall of the kids. She spent a lot
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: of time supporting Wendy. There was nothing abnormal on the surface.
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: I would say that Harvey. Harvey always came across as
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: a little bit more quiet, but certainly friendly. And Charlie
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: was very lively. He was always on the go and
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: enjoyed partying quite a bit.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Dave Ehrmberg joining US, Palm Beach County State attorney and
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: friend of Danny Markel.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: He has been really Charlie.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Charlie Adelson has been referred to as thinking he was
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: James Bond, but in fact he's a periodontist.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: What does that mean.
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: Well, I'm from South Florida, and Joel and Tamrek would
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: say that's not that uncommon. He loved the fast life
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: with his ferrari and his fast women and his clubbing
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: lifestyle and drugs, and he was well known that he
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: was involved with steroids. And here was a guy who
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: was a nerd back in high school who then became
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: this wealthy, flashy, fast living guy who thought that he
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: could get away with murder. And that's the kind of
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: person who would commit this kind of crime because people say,
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: why do you think you could get away with it? Well,
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: when you're hopped up on steroids and you think that
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: you're smarter than everyone else. Yeah, you think you're above
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: the law, and you wouldn't get caught. And it took
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: nine plus years for there to be justice for Charlie
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: and the FBI.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: God bless the FBI, God bless them. Look, I was
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: a fed for three years. I hate the federal government
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: except the irs.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I love you. Please don't look.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: At me, Joel Waldman, Could you please explain what I'm
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: talking about? As the bump, Charlie Adelson would never have
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: been convicted are murdering his brother in law over visitation
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: with Grandma, and Donna Adelson would not be in a
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: jail sale up in her seventies trying to flee to
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Vietnam right now if it hadn't been for wire taps
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: and surruptitious recordings, one of the most amazing ones that
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: actually worked, Joel Waldman, And I'm going to hear from
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Robert Crispin and doctor Gorniac, renowned forensic pathologist. I want
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: to circle back to Dodtor Gorniac on what Danny Markel
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: experienced because when the neighbor came up, he was still
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: rolling his head around and moving, which in my mind
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: means he was suffering after he was shot Joel Waldman.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: As it's called the bump. If Adelson's had kept their
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: traps shut, they wouldn't be in jail right now. Tell
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: me about the bump as it is called.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: So the bump is now an infamous FBI sting. So
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: the FEDS got involved once this case started to move
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: and they thought that the Adelsons were possibly involved. So
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: it's interesting you bring it up. I just did a
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: tour for my podcast to the location where the bump happened,
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: and it happened to take place right in front of
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: where the Adelsons were living and Iconic.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: The Iconic, the icon Yeah, the icon yes, yes, and
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: it's a.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Very lavish building. I think units start around two million dollars.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: So whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa the icon condo building.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: The unit started two million dollars.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: That is correct, Nancy, Welcome to Miami. Yes, and it's
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: interesting this tour I did. I was curious to see
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: these different spots. So I also went by Charlie Adelson's house.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, did you video that I did?
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: It's on my website on the YouTube channel.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, so we can see. I can't wait to say this, Okay,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: go ahead.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So Charlie's house is nothing like what you would expect.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: It's sort of a rundown home right off the highway.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: And keep in mind, this is a guy who in
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: court admitted that he was making three and a half
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: million dollars a year between twenty fourteen and twenty eighteen.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: So that goes back to the James Bond question because
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: that is not really the salary of the periodontis. But
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: we do know through these wiretaps that he was illicitly
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: dealing steroids as well. Back to the bump. So this
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: bump happened right in front of this Icon building in
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: South Beach. It's a beautiful area. You can literally this
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: is what's so sad. You can literally take a stone
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: from where the bump happened and throw it, and it
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: hit the school that the two Markell children attended, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Donna was on her way to pick up her grandchildren.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: You may after they killed Danny Markel and move the
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: children down to South Florida, right that's where they're going
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: to school.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: And change their name from Markel to Adelson. So these
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: two young boys have are gonna have a lot, a
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: lot and Nancy, I know, you know this firsthand, a
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: lot of grieving to deal with and a lot of
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: you know, understanding about what happened to their family as
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: they become these young teens that they are now.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Not only changed their last name from Markel back to Adelson,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: the maiden name of the mom, but took away the
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: oldest son's middle name.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Which had been the Hebrew name of Dan.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Markelle Grandma, right, So all trace of Dan Markel has
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: been removed from their life.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: It's it's difficult to process, it really is. So this,
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: you know, this bump happened literally across the street from
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: the school that they were attending at the time, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: ultimately when they got the uh you know that video
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: and audio, there's no doubt that that is, you know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: a big piece of evidence that influenced jurors. And then
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: there's one other piece of audio from a restaurant, the
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: so called Dulce Vita tapes that have the middle woman
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Katie mcbanawa and Charlie Edelson talking. So it's a combination
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: of this evidence that people believe do this case wid.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Don time stories with Nancy Grace.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Let's start with the bump. The bump is a fan
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: pretending to be.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: A bad guy.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Literally just comes up and kind of bumps into the
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: mother in law, Donna Adelson, outside of her two million
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: dollar condo, and he has like a press release about
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the killing and says, he you tell me he wants
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: five thousand.
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: Dollars, Yeah, he wanted five thousand dollars, basically scribbled a
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: number down, said that he was a brother of the
• 33:24
  Speaker 11: person in prison, implying that he's one of the hit men,
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: Luis Rivera. And as soon as this bump happens, Donna
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: Adelson immediately is on the phone with Charlie Aedelson and
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: they are once again as they had been doing many
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: times before, speaking in code.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Right like pot belly pig. We can't figure out they're
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: talking about the cops.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's disturbing, it's but it's also intriguing, but very
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: very disturbing.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: You know what if I tried even tried Robert Crispin.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Robert Crispin joining me a private investigator, former federal Task
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Force officer for the US Department of Justice, now Crispininvestigations
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: dot com.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Robert Crispin, can.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: You even imagine me trying to talk to my husband
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: in code. I mean when he drives to the McDonald's, they're like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: what did you say?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Much less? You know, so trying to who talks in code?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: And not only this, Joel and Dave jump in if
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I'm wrong, But she says something like I just got
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: handed some paperwork.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: We need to meet right now.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: And the brother in lawos iste about me and you,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and she goes whispers probably he goes what probably both
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: of us, and she like yells it and instead of
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: she goes, we can't talk on the phone.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Well, right there, that's a red flag.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: So they meet at the condo and they go outside.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: They won't speak inside their condo, and they go huddle
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: off in a corner beside the pool to have this conversation,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: and the whole time the fans are watching them and
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: recording everything that's being said.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: That's not normal.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: If a guy comes up to me on the street
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: and went, hey, I want five thousand dollars, I called
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: the police.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: You know, Nancy. The bump operation is usually used when
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: things start to get a little cold, or we need
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: to start tickling, as we call tickling the case, to
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: get some more leads and to get some more people involved,
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: to start getting some more information or problem calls to start,
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: you know, taking people out in this This worked extremely well.
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: This did exactly what it was supposed to do. It
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: got them talking, and it took it to the part
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: where they were able to get an indictment and an
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: arrest on these guys, you know, along with all the
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: other stuff that has been going on since the homicide.
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: With how this all started with a grainy image of
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: a Prius and it just spiraled from there all the
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: way to where the FBI took it to the bump.
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: And I think with everything from the time they had
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: the grainy image to getting the second image from a
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: bus stop that gave them a transponder, to having high
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: speed detectives understand that that transponder is out of a
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: rental car. They got the transponder report data from the turnpikes,
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: They tied a particular car back to Miami. They pulled
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: the rental agreement lo and behold on the rental agreement
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: was a phone number that tied it back to one
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: of the guys involved in the killing. They pulled the
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: GPS data, they pulled the cell phone data. It gave
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: a bread trail from Miami up to Tallahassee, and on
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: the day of the murder, stalking around the victim's house,
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: it all started to come together, but it started to
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: get a little bit cold, and I think that's when
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: the bump took off.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they knew who did it, but they
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: didn't have the evidence. And so they wire up an
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: undercover cop a fed He goes and bumps into the
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: mother in law demands money on behalf of a hitman,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: and instead of calling cops, she immediately meets with the
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: brother in law her son to discuss, Hey, am I
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: in trouble. I'm gonna put what Crispin just said in
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: non cop talk. So they get a grainy image, probably
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: off of a doorbell cam, a ring cam, a suncam
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: of a Silver Prius at the murder scene at Danny Markel's.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Then they get a transponder.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: They get information about that Prius, like there's tin in windows,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: there's a missing or side mirror on the passenger side,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: they get all the.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Part of a screwed up trailer hitch on the back.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: The transponder is from that Florida is what's it called
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Sunshine Pass or Florida Pass where you can go through
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: all the tolls. That's a transponder SunPass, Yes, that's it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: That's it. Robert Crispin, who's joining me from Florida. And
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: so they trace that SunPass back to a little car
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: and the hit man and his cohort's name. They traced
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: them to the girl, Charlie Adolson's girlfriend who works in
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: the dentist practice.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: The rest is history.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: And you know another thing, is this true, Dave Ehrenberg,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: that Donna Adelson, the mother in law, gets on the phone, Hello,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: You're being recorded and says that she's putting her affairs
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: in order for the grandchildren that she's fought so hard
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to have near her, and she's either going to commit
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: suicide or leave the country to a non extraditable country
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: like Vietnam.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: She actually says that, and it's on tape.
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, she went to and spoke with Charlie while Charlie
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: was incarcerated after he was found guilty. She was on
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: the phone with him telling him that she had her
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: affairs in order, just like you said. And that's how
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: law enforcement knew that she was about to bolt, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: they stopped her when she was on the jetway and
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: walking onto the plane literally and stopped her in Harvesd.
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: She almost got away with it because once she goes
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: to Vietnam, it's very hard to get her back. The
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: bump worked spectacularly well, as you said, Nancy. One thing
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: that was interesting to me was how Charlie reacted when
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: he saw that someone was trying to extort his mom
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: out of five thousand dollars. So Charlie wanted to kill
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: the person who tried to do how dare you try
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: to extort us for five thousand dollars, which made it
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: so much more preposterous when at his own trial he
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: said that when he was extorted by Katie Magbanua and
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: the killers, he willingly and quickly gave over the money
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: pretty much, no questions asked, and after he couldn't afford
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: the full payment of three hundred plus thousand dollars, he
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: entered into a payment plan with these gang bangers.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Idiot.
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's an idiot.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I'm saved doctor Gane Gorniac to the end. She is incredible, brilliant,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Board certified forensic pathologist, former medical examiner, Clark County, A
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Las Vegas. As you know, I love to say, doctor
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Gorniac never like a business in Las Vegas, Doctor Garniac,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about Danny Markel, who
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I believe was shot in the head.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: And if I've got that wrong, anybody jump in and
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: correct me.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: But the fact about when the neighbor came up, Dr Gorniac,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: he was still moving.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Around, still alive.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: And it makes me feel nauseous thinking of him sitting there.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: He's just dropped his children off, he comes home, he's
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: making probably business calls. The person on the other end,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: here's a loud sound. He's still alive, Dr Gorniac. Is
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: he thinking about his children? Is he thinking what the
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: hell just happened? Just is his head hurting? Is is
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: he a shock? He can't feel anything? What happened?
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: Doctor Gordeon, correct, he was shot in the head. From
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: what I've read, he had two gunshot wounds of his head,
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: one in the forehead and one in the left cheek,
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: so it is consistent with him being in the past
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: or the driver's seat of the car. He also had
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: gunshot wounds or injuries from gunshots on his left forearm,
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: so he either could have seen one shot coming, you
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: know what I mean, or his arm was just up
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: on that left hand side.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: Of the car.
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: So injuries to the brain, there's only one thing that
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: kills you instantaneously, and that's what we call injury to
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: the brain stem. And that's where your respiratory centers sit,
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: where your cardiac center sits. So if you have an
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: injury to your brain stem, that would call cause instantaneous depth.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: In this case, it's apparent because he was still moving
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: that his brain stem was not injured. So in a
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: case like this, he had brain injury, so his brain
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: isn't working properly, but he's not dead. He obviously when
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: the gentleman who found him, he said, obviously he's breathing
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: because he's moving his head, but he's not speaking because
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: of the injury of the brain itself. I can only
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: imagine what's going through mister Markel's you know, you know
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: mind at that point. Obviously it was he was obviously
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: caught off guard, has probably no idea what's going on.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: But I can only imagine that when he does realize
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: that he's injured, that he thinks of his family. It's
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: it's just it's sad to think about that. But also
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: he has to fight for his life. I mean, because
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: he was fighting for his children when he was alive,
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: you know, I mean, all he wanted to do was
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: care for his children, and now this is happening. So
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: I bet his children were, you know, literally on his
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: mind in that moment. And unfortunately we know he didn't
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: die right away. He survived hours in the hospital. So
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: its just them trying to keep them alive, trying to
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: save his life. He thought he fought until he couldn't
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: fight anymore.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I want to go to Dave Ehrenberg and Joel Walman
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: on a question that Jackie here has just sent me.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: It's my understanding that at trial, Wendy Aedelsen said the
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: reason she changed her children's names was out of fear
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: because Nancy Grace put their pictures on TV without blurring
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: their faces. Now, I've also been told that I did
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: a hit on ABC and was speaking about the case,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: and that while I was talking, the children's pictures came up.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's what happened or not. But
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: when exactly, Dave aaron Berg or Joel Walman did she
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: change their names?
• 44:04
  Speaker 8: I think it happened pretty quickly. She immediately moved the
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: kids down to South Florida, as she and her family
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: had long wanted, and then as soon as she could
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: remove the name of Dan Martell, wiping out his history
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: as their father, Joel, that's my understanding.
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: Would that be correct?
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that is as I understand it. I wasn't in
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: the courtroom for that testimony, Nancy, but I can assure
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: you she did try to throw you under the bus,
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: and I can tell you that is not unequivocally not
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: why they changed the family name, but that is what
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: she appeared to hang on to, at least during her testimony.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: It's been proven though, that while she's on the witness stand,
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: she has perjured herself multiple times, and some people have
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: even wondered that's going to lead to some sort of
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: perjury charge down the road.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Now, wasn't she given limited use immunity, Dave.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: I'm going to let you take that one. She was.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: You can speak to that.
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: She was, yes, and so that limit is what they
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: could use. But look, if they established evidence independent of
• 45:09
  Speaker 8: her testimony against her, then it's a game on. And
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: they have some evidence against her. It's not as compelling
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: as the evidence against Donna or Charlie or the others,
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: but it's circumstantial. But there are a few things like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: why was she in the area right after her ex
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: husband was shot? Why does she lie or seem to
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: not tell the truth on the sand when she said
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: that she didn't see the cop and she turned around
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: and she took this Trescott row which was a shortcut,
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: when none of that really made sense because she seemed
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: to have driven out of her way to go buy
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: some liquor, which the liquor store is close to her home,
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: as a gift, and then to be in her Danny's
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: neighborhood on the same block right when it happened. Looked
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: like what happens when you are someone who commits a
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: crime and you want to see the fruits of your labor.
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: And then there are other things like talking in code
• 46:01
  Speaker 8: about the TV. So it looks like she had a
• 46:04
  Speaker 8: lot of information about this, But whether they could prove
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: it beyond a reasonable doubt. I think they're waiting to
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: see what the calls that Donna made. Maybe they are incriminating.
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: Maybe getting Donna's cell phone can help point the finger
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: at Wendy, because right now I believe the prosterers don't
• 46:20
  Speaker 8: believe they have enough evidence to charge her.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Is it true that, according to an ex boyfriend. Wendy
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Adelson said many months prior to the murder that her brother,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Charlie Adelson, was looking for a hit man to kill
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: her husband.
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: She told investigators that right away, as soon as the
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: murder happened and she was brought in, she threw her
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: brother under the bus, saying that he used to joke about,
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: here's a TV, it's cheaper than hiring a hitman, and
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: so that her brother, you know, didn't apparently didn't like
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: that too much. On the stand, he admitted that at
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: times he had felt negatively towards Wendy. So if there's
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: any Adelson family member who will flip on another, I
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: think the only shot here is that Charlie, facing life
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: in prison, will flip on Wendy.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: We know that Wendy Adelson was at one time officially
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: named an unindicted co conspirator, but as of right now,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: there's no indication that she will be formally charged and
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: named in this murder. We wait as justice unfuls.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,