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Exclusive: Ride along as stepmom leads PI to little Lucas Hernandez body · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: m i UMP channel one thirty two. The mystery only
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  Speaker 1: deepens regarding the disappearance of a five year old little boy,
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  Speaker 1: Lucas Hernandez. I remember when the twins are just five
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  Speaker 1: years old. When I look back at those photos, it
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  Speaker 1: nearly breaks my heart. How sweet and innocent and tender
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  Speaker 1: children are at just five years old, just sixty months
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  Speaker 1: in this world. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. What happened to Lucas Hernandez.
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  Speaker 1: I think we know with me now the private investigator
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  Speaker 1: who actually finds Lucas's tiny body in a washed out culvert.
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  Speaker 1: Kim Martin with me on the story from the beginning
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  Speaker 1: with Missing Pieces Network. Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, host
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  Speaker 1: of Investigation Discoveries, Fatal Vows, Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge and
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  Speaker 1: founder of child crime watch dot com, and private investigator
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  Speaker 1: Vincent Hill. First of all, to David Marshburn. David, when
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  Speaker 1: I listened to the recording you made of Lucas Hernandez's
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  Speaker 1: stepmother Emily Glass, as you two are driving around trying
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  Speaker 1: to find little Lucas's tiny body, it's it's just overwhelming.
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  Speaker 1: Why did you believe you needed to record the entire thing?
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  Speaker 1: I found that I don't write notes in front of
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  Speaker 1: people because that's sort of like a intimidating uh as well,
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  Speaker 1: you know all these things and intimidate people especially were
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  Speaker 1: writing down stuff, and I always record everything usually if
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  Speaker 1: I can, so I can go back and say, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if Marsha and I have a question together
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  Speaker 1: of of did we miss something and we've forgotten to
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  Speaker 1: do the recording the first day and I knew the
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  Speaker 1: second day was the most important. But there were so
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  Speaker 1: many venerables in this case that if she said something that, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it would be my word against hers, and
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  Speaker 1: in court for the justice of Lucas, I would have
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  Speaker 1: it on recording it's her words, not well, hold on
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  Speaker 1: just a moment. I want to follow up on that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, in this day and age, Ashley Wilcott, I
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  Speaker 1: don't have time to watch a lot of TV, but
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  Speaker 1: we have a whole generation that grew up watching UM
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  Speaker 1: Law and Order SUV. Excuse me SVU. I mean it
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  Speaker 1: goes on and on and on, and they expect when
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  Speaker 1: they get and I was just on jury duty last week,
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  Speaker 1: when those Gars get in the box, they expect that
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  Speaker 1: type of evidence, and they're more familiar with the defenses,
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  Speaker 1: bag of tricks and the defenses. And he's right, David
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  Speaker 1: Marshburn is right. The defense would argue it's his word
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  Speaker 1: against hers, of course, and so you're right, Nancy, that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what a jury does. And it's funny because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these trials, if you watch them as their
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  Speaker 1: live streamed. People want that aha moment, and that's sexy.
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  Speaker 1: We can believe the defendant. We're not going to believe him.
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  Speaker 1: It's his word, he's making it up. He sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a nice guy, but he's in here just talking. And
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  Speaker 1: the reason I think they do that in part is
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  Speaker 1: because they want to find something exciting about a trial.
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  Speaker 1: You and I both know trials are tedious in terms
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  Speaker 1: of there are very few ah ha exciting moments. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Ashley. I don't know what kind of
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  Speaker 1: cases you've been trying, but what I would be trying
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  Speaker 1: murders and rapes and child mollistations. I gotta tell you something,
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  Speaker 1: every moment my heart was racing. I could not eat. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I would feel sick in the ladies bathroom every break.
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  Speaker 1: I'd sit there with my evidence through the lunch a.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I never knew what was going
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  Speaker 1: to come off of the stand, what was gonna come out,
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  Speaker 1: who was gonna say what? But the tedious nature of
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  Speaker 1: a trial, that's true too. You know, when you've got
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  Speaker 1: one two hundred states exhibits you've gotta keep up with,
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  Speaker 1: and you've got to enter this into evidence, and you've
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  Speaker 1: got to have a legal argument, you gotta send the
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  Speaker 1: jury in and out. Yeah, you know what I do.
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  Speaker 1: Hear you, Vincent Hill, you're a private investigator. Do you
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  Speaker 1: agree with David Marshburn? Doesn't it kind of chill the moment?
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, um, when the downer comes to
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  Speaker 1: the gaming table in Vegas, the cooler and somebody will
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  Speaker 1: be on a winner's trick, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: the cooler shows up and everything chills. When somebody stops
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  Speaker 1: to start taking notes on everything you're saying, that does
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  Speaker 1: make you sit back for a moment. Or when the
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  Speaker 1: cop crunches on the audio recording in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the interview table, you kind of I've seen people kind
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  Speaker 1: of like whither and suddenly they clam up and won't
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  Speaker 1: talk anymore. Yeah, that's exactly right. Nancy and David did
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  Speaker 1: an outstanding job, because what you want to do with
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  Speaker 1: these people that you're talking to, whether it's a see
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  Speaker 1: I or suspect or anything like that, is to build
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  Speaker 1: their trust. And as soon as you start pulling out
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  Speaker 1: that pin and giving them that evil stare, that's when
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  Speaker 1: people start to clam up. So yeah, yeah, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: You're right Brian Russell excuse me. Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist,
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  Speaker 1: host of investigation Discoveries Fatal vows what is it? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so we're about to hear the recordings, by the way, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: but Brian, what is it? I mean? The truth doesn't
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  Speaker 1: change just because somebody's taking notes. Yeah. I think when
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  Speaker 1: especially when people know that they're going to be dishonest
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  Speaker 1: and they're acutely aware that somebody is going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to come back with notes or recording or something
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  Speaker 1: and and be able to compare what they say later
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  Speaker 1: to what they're saying now, that they get especially nervous
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  Speaker 1: and they you know, fortunately for us in the law
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  Speaker 1: abiding public and for law enforcement, most people are not
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  Speaker 1: as good as they want to be or as they
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  Speaker 1: think they are at lying, and it's difficult for them
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that they keep everything consistent. What they
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  Speaker 1: told you five minutes ago, what they're telling you now,
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  Speaker 1: what they're going to tell you in a week. You
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  Speaker 1: know what, You're right, Brian? Well, also with me Kim
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  Speaker 1: martin Missing Pieces Network. She has been trying to find
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  Speaker 1: little Lucas Hernandez from the beginning, and Kim, you have
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  Speaker 1: all people on our program today. I need to buckle
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  Speaker 1: your seatbelt because this is very disturbing. David Marshburn. Please.
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  Speaker 1: This is secretly recorded audio of Lucas's stepmother, the last
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  Speaker 1: person to see him alive, as David uh, very well
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  Speaker 1: known private investigator, is driving around the back roads with
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  Speaker 1: her in the car, listening to her directs him toward
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  Speaker 1: where Lucas's dead body may be. I think we're reading
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  Speaker 1: Let's fine Lucas Hernandez, Today's four that twelve were on
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  Speaker 1: the way to the location of Emily Glass. She is
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  Speaker 1: going to possibly lead us to Lucas Hernandez's remains. Huh huh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I want to let uh, you're definitely coming coming back, uh,
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  Speaker 1: because I told you I was gonna help you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna running there, get your families, and it ain't gonna
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  Speaker 1: be half as bad as what you're thinking some piece doing.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you say that you don't know that one pieces? Hey, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Look we're right here, girl, we ain't going nowhere. Everything
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  Speaker 1: is okay, and what ain't okay? We're it's the make okay,
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  Speaker 1: we'll be like that. It won't be so hard on yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I can't do jail. I can't. You ain't gonna do jail,
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  Speaker 1: but don't preach Trial Services is not gonna look me out.
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  Speaker 1: Child Services has nothing preach child with your bond pre
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  Speaker 1: trial pre trial services the we can choose to to
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  Speaker 1: name me. Okay, so they if they do, we post
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  Speaker 1: a bond. Regardless, you're still coming up. If they don't
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  Speaker 1: agree to preach trial, we'll post the bond. Better just
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  Speaker 1: be then you'll have to contact David. You know however
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  Speaker 1: he says you had to contact him. Don't be like that.
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  Speaker 1: Don't be so hard on yourself. I know you're scared
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  Speaker 1: to death, and I mean, we're gonna be right here.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get you through this whole thing and take
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  Speaker 1: you right bay to where we got you from. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be with you every step in a way. Why
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  Speaker 1: you like, I don't understand in you is I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand why what where would you be with me? Because
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  Speaker 1: that's what we do. It's a job. Wow. Okay, what
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  Speaker 1: you're hearing in the background are kaz en Rico. Those
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  Speaker 1: are dogs belonging to David Marshburn, the p I who
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  Speaker 1: is driving the stepmother around trying to find the boy's body. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what a surreal scenario they are in. You were also
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  Speaker 1: hearing Marcia, a female investigator that works with David Marshburn. David,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't help, but notice you guys telling her, We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get you through this. We're gonna get you through this. Translation.
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  Speaker 1: Just keep talking, lady, Just keep talking. That's the that's
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  Speaker 1: the goal. And we make little uh see, we try
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  Speaker 1: not to lie, and and you know we in our minds,
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  Speaker 1: we don't. We put ourselves in her position where she's
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  Speaker 1: lined to us, so in her mind she makes a
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  Speaker 1: fake reality, so we do too. Yeah, you're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: get the jail, You're going to prison, so that our mine.
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  Speaker 1: That's not line. So we do the same thing she
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  Speaker 1: does that Kim Martin with missing pieces of network. Do
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  Speaker 1: you hear Emily Glass crying during this for herself? I
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  Speaker 1: think Matthew got the thing that stands out for me
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  Speaker 1: the most. She doesn't mention Lucas. She talks about herself.
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  Speaker 1: I can't do jail, freachil services won't let me out. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't understand why you're helping. You know,
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't mention Lucas. One, guys, we are playing incredible
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  Speaker 1: sound obtained by private eye David Marshburne, who actually got
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  Speaker 1: the stepmother. Last scene with five year old Lucas on
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  Speaker 1: recording is they are driving around trying to find the
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  Speaker 1: Todd's body. To Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, host of
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  Speaker 1: the hit series on investigation Discovery Fatal vows, Brian, what
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  Speaker 1: do you make of her crying about herself and her future?
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  Speaker 1: They're out looking for a child's body and she's crying
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  Speaker 1: about herself. Yeah, this whole thing, Nancy, is very reminiscent
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  Speaker 1: for me of Casey Anthony. And I know that you
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  Speaker 1: and Dan Abrams have recently analyzed this case again, the
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  Speaker 1: Anthony case on television. But one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: has always sort of haunted me about the coverage and
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  Speaker 1: which I participated of that case, is that I'm afraid that,
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  Speaker 1: in a morbid way, it taught people that if you
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  Speaker 1: kill a child and you can get that body somewhere
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  Speaker 1: where it's not going to be found for a while,
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  Speaker 1: you might get lucky enough that by the time it's found,
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  Speaker 1: people won't be able to determine definitively how the child died,
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  Speaker 1: and you might escape prison and So what I hear
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  Speaker 1: here is a woman who sounds very much to me
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  Speaker 1: like Casey Anthony sounded. She sounds very self focused. If
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  Speaker 1: she's worried about anything regarding the discovery of little Lucas's body,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably that it won't be deteriorated enough. Uh. It's
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  Speaker 1: all very chilling. But I also think as a psychologist
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  Speaker 1: what you heard here on our audio is a masterful
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  Speaker 1: who managed to capture on tape tape recording everything evil
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  Speaker 1: stepmother Emily Glass said as the two were driving around
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  Speaker 1: trying to find the remains a five year old Lucas Hernandez.
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  Speaker 1: David Marshburn playing this exclusively for us here on Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Let's listen. What's gonna help it out? Court? Okay, when
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  Speaker 1: you go to court, they're gonna grant you a lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: or you can purchase the lawyer. Okay, So at the
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  Speaker 1: time of court, all right, if they give you a
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  Speaker 1: quarter point, in which quarter point is just like anybody else,
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  Speaker 1: any other lawyer. What you do is you tell that lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: that lawyer when you go to the first appearance, which
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  Speaker 1: will be the more. Your first appearance will be the more,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll go to court with you. I'll take you
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  Speaker 1: to court because I'll stay to more. Um, the lawyer
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  Speaker 1: will um. You'll get your lawyer. Then I'll take you
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  Speaker 1: to your lawyer's office and basically you're gonna tell them
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna plead empty to go in do to eighteen
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  Speaker 1: months on probation and then no, the only time you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get jail time now as you violate your probation
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  Speaker 1: because the max you can get the max is eighteen
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  Speaker 1: months probation. That's it now, if you violate your probation, now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and tell you you can do seven,
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  Speaker 1: nine or eleven months. Now, if you violate your probation,
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  Speaker 1: you best believe you're gonna do that. They're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: put you back on probation because they want to see
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  Speaker 1: you do time for this. But you can't because the
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  Speaker 1: max a judge can give you as eighteen months. I
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  Speaker 1: just showed you on that grid eighteen months and max.
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  Speaker 1: Now they're gonna probably charge you with obstruction. That means
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  Speaker 1: you lied to them. Well that's not gonna stick. Obstruction
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  Speaker 1: never sticks anyway, So that's that's neither here there that
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  Speaker 1: don't even carry a bond like they don't have a
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  Speaker 1: a bond they put you on. It will be together
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  Speaker 1: with the concealment of a death. It's a fifty thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollar max bond. You cannot get amen doll bond. That's
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  Speaker 1: against constitutional rod. The eighth Amendment of the United States
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  Speaker 1: is everybody has the right to affordable bond, affordable bail right, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you did fIF and was right for that charge you had,
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  Speaker 1: and yes it was. I read it up on it.
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  Speaker 1: It was the max. And you know I could have
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  Speaker 1: bonded you on it, and I told Jonathan I would
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  Speaker 1: when I got up here and you weren't released yet,
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  Speaker 1: I would bond you. But you were already released, so
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  Speaker 1: that was fine. He said, we don't have the five thousand.
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  Speaker 1: I said, you don't need to die that first. You
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  Speaker 1: have to release me because you weren't. Friend Luncas, do
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  Speaker 1: what I mean, It makes sense to why you would
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  Speaker 1: release me as to frame Lucas. No, I wouldn't. I
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  Speaker 1: had to talk to you. I won't go to get
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  Speaker 1: to the jail, talk to you and letting them hear it,
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  Speaker 1: and then they hit you a murder? What do I
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  Speaker 1: look stupid? I am a smart mother, you know that.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm making sure my right now. Cathy looked up
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  Speaker 1: your sister, and your sister's fine to have mine? Is
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  Speaker 1: it me or mine? Mia? So that's in the words.
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  Speaker 1: And and I just don't know what else to tell you,
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  Speaker 1: but Lucas is the tradeoff. So I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: you want to do on that, because we have to
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  Speaker 1: have Lucas. I have an idea about where Lucas is
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  Speaker 1: and if everything is correct, by about four or four thirty,
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  Speaker 1: we should be bringing you back to We should be
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  Speaker 1: bringing back but last said you won't be in handcuffs.
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  Speaker 1: They're not gonna handcuffed, They're not gonna arrest you. And
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  Speaker 1: then when we go down there, you're gonna do an interview.
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  Speaker 1: But just make sure the story you tell this this
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  Speaker 1: time is exactly what we're talked about. It's just so
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  Speaker 1: bizarre to me. As she will caught. Junal Judge found
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  Speaker 1: her child crime watch dot Com that she's focused on
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  Speaker 1: her bond for hiding a body when Lucas is dead
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  Speaker 1: and late at the bottom of washed out covert. Here's
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  Speaker 1: the unfortunate part Nancy. She has no empathy, sympathy, compassion
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  Speaker 1: for what she's done. And so while it may sound
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  Speaker 1: bizarre to us as rational, feeling, sympathetic, empathetic individuals, she
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  Speaker 1: is more concerned about herself. Let's go back to the
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  Speaker 1: secretly recorded audio that private eye David Marshburn recorded as
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  Speaker 1: he's driving around with an evil stepmother and she's called
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  Speaker 1: Emily Glass, the last person to see Lucas Hernandez alive. Listen, now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what what Lucas live. When he when
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  Speaker 1: he passed away, was on his back? Did he throw up?
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  Speaker 1: He choked on his own? Vomit? Did? Um? Was he
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  Speaker 1: just did in his bed? Then on the couch? Huh?
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  Speaker 1: He's on the bed there on the couch on his
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  Speaker 1: side or on his back and his back? So did
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  Speaker 1: you say he vomited and so doing vomited? You didn't.
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  Speaker 1: So he just died of a concussion. And it's okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you freaked out. I'm telling you you're gonna be fine,
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  Speaker 1: and I want you to do one thing for me
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  Speaker 1: when we get done and we go find Lucas, you
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  Speaker 1: ower me a thank you and a smile, because that's
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  Speaker 1: so far. You're not smiled at me one time, and
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  Speaker 1: I tried to ease you up and and I know
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  Speaker 1: it's not a joking matter, but I'd like to see
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: people happy. And this is a path for you to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: make the right But I don't. I don't feel you
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: done right or wrong either way because you're dealing with
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: emotions him. You know, one out of ten would probably panicked,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: just like, Wow, okay, I don't know how you how
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you got through saying all that, David Marshburn, I guess
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you had your eye on the prize of finding him
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: and helping cops to make a case. One thing, Yes, no,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: did she Emily Glass know that she was secretly being
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: recorded in the car as you guys were talking and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: driving around looking for the body? But hold on. Dr
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Brian Russell, host of I D S Fatal vows in
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: a one party consent jurisdiction, that's okay. The comparison is,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: if you record someone on your phone when you're talking,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: they don't have to know about it. In a one
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: party consent state, one party consents to the recording. Is
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that correct? Brian, that's correct. It sounds like one of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the investigators was with her at all times while she
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: was being recorded, and that then would be the party
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: who consented to the record, and so, yes, you're correct,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it would be legal. And another thing to Vincent hill
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: p I have you ever seen those stories where cops
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: send out a notice to all of the bond forfeiturs,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the felons on the run, saying they've won a prize,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: or they've won a stereo or I don't know what
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: they may have won, and they all show up and
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: then they arrest them. That's trickery, and trickery is absolutely
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: okay under the constitution, even by police. What you can't
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: do under the constitution is forced someone into a confession.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: If they're an idiot enough to show up for a
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: so called free TV, that's their problem. Yeah, Nancy, we
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: used that all the time when I was working on
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: patrol in Nashville, when we were serving warrants. You know.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: But the great thing here with these recordings is David
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: is just coaching her along, coaching her along to get
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: her to talk on her own free will. And that
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't dispute that when it goes to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: court because there was no co origin in this these
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: statements here, Okay, back into the secretly recorded audio japes.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I see the way you're scared of Jonathan.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: So you and I both well, we talked about what
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: we did yesterday. I noticed that you were a little
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: bit afraid of what he would do to you. And
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think nothing. I don't think
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: he'd do anything. Have you talked to him about this? Really? Okay?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And how do you want to break it on? Do
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: you want me to or do you want us to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: do it together when we leave from the police department
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: once all the bookings done and on we leave, do
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you want us to do it together or do you
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: want to do it on your own? How would you
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: like to do that? Yeah? Okay. You are listening to
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: private eye David Marshburne as easily eating stepmother Emily Glass
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: down the garden trail, hoping against hope that at some
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: point she will direct him to little Lucas's body. To
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Kim Martin was Missing Pieces network, who's been looking for
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Lucas since he first went missing? What do you make
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: of these audio tapes? Kim? At the time when I
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: think that I couldn't be more surprised. You know, I
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: sit here and my mouth is open. I just I
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: can't believe what I'm hearing. I mean, that's all. Yeah,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: it's surreal at this point when you hear her voice
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and her crying and carrying on and asking about her
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: bond and what's gonna happen to me? Me, me, me me,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: it's just so surreal to me. They're out looking for
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: a baby's body and you and I know right now
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that it's been disposed of under a bridge. And if
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: it hadn't been for that catchpan in the bridge to
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: slow down the water and catch debris, we may never
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: have found his remains. We may never have known what
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: happened to Lucas. That's what she was counting on. How
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: are the mom and dad holding up the bio mom
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and bio dad. Um, yeah, as you can imagine, it's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: it's been really difficult. Um, you know, a lot of questioning.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I think what they could have done or should have done,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and um, well, for one thing, they could have taken
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the boy out of being alone with her the first
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: time he was covered with bruises. I mean, you know,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I'm just putting it out there. You know, you leave
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: your child alone with somebody, they turn up covered in
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: bruises and say, uh, step mommy beat me? What well
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: was I don't I don't get that, Ashley Wilcott. Do
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you believe that parents just don't want to accept They
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: don't want to believe it's true. I sometimes thinking, I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: guess we're gonna bring in Dr Brian on this after you,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: ash because I need a shrink on this. Once a
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: child is covered in bruises the first time and they say,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Emily did it? Why would you leave the kid alone
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: with Emily? Ashley Right, So in this case there's a
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: favor to protect by the father. This is what gets
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: to me in so many cases of abuse and neglect,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I said, as a judge, I see it all the time.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Parents know see hard evidence bruises in this case that
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: someone in the household, in this case the stepmother is
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: actually physically abusing their child. And what do they do.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: They turn a blind eye, their in denial, They don't
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: want to believe it, and they let it keep happening.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Parents have got to protect their child. That didn't happen
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: in this case. What about that? Dr Brian Russell. I mean,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you see it so many times. And remember the dad,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the bio dad had nothing to do with Lucas's death.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: He was out of town, he did not know what happened.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: He's in deep, deep grieving, probably blaming himself. But why
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: is it we want to trust the ones we love
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: even when we see physical evidence otherwise. Well, I think
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: in a lot of these cases in which the step
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: parent abuses uh, their non biological child, their step child,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the biological parent who brought the step parent into that
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: child's life did it not because they were thinking about
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the child and whether the child needed the step parent
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: in his or her life. They were thinking about themselves,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and they were thinking about what they needed and wanted
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: from the step parent. And when there came a question
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: as to whether or not the step parent was treating
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the child appropriately, the thought of what the biological parent thought,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: of what he or she would lose if the step
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: parent went away, UH, what was outweighed the possibility that
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the step parent was abusing the child. So you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: when you say, well, the father in this case didn't
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: have anything to do with Lucas's death, that's true in
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a direct sense, but it sounds to me, like Lucas's
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: father brought Emily Glass into the child's life, and I
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: think that feelings of pretty serious guilt over that are
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: appropriate to Kim Martin with missing pieces of network. Where
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: was the bio mom during all this? She was out
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: of out of the state. She was, I believe, in Oklahoma.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: How awful would she say the child? You know, they
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: had shared custody, but Jonathan had physical custody, so it
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: was kind of at Jonathan and Emily, you know, decision.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: And I believe that towards the end, Emily did what
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: she could to kind of keep her away because I
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: believe one of the last things that Jamie said to
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Lucas was something to the effect that, you know, mom
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: is going to help you. We're gonna get you out
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: of this. We're gonna get you away from her. And
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I think she kind of lives with that now.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: David Marshburn with us the private investigator who actually finds
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Lucas's tiny body, and he did it by driving around
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: convincing this woman, the stepmother, to drive around with him
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: for hours on end, chatting, secretly recording her every word
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: until they find Lucas. With me David Marshburn, the p
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I who actually finds the body of five year old Lucas. Here,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: he is secretly recording Lucas's stepmother as they search for
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the body. Do you realize how good you feel right
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: now just by saying but do you feel a little
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: pressure away by telling me about Lucas a little bit?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: But you're okay? You are not. You are not a
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: bad person. Good right, you're not. And I don't see
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: you as a bad person. And I will stay with
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: you all the way. I will not leave you. Don't.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: The time I have to leave is when they're doing
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: your in their interview with you. Okay, when they're doing
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: their interview with you, I cannot be in there. So
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: make sure you tell them everything and and and and
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: don't don't change your story. And I've got the photos.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I think we can go to the hospital and get
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the doctors and get the records. So so, um, if
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: while you're in there, if they need those records, I'll
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: go get them. But you'll have to we'll have to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: make that set up, or Jonathan set that up, or
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: call them and say, lolloy, I need to release these
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: records to this p I. So I can take you
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: back up there. Okay, David Marshburne, I thought you said
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you tried not to lie. Why did you keep telling
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: her over and over you're not a bad person. Well,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: that's just my calling it, Like it is a lot
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: of people here the boy's body. If you understand what
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I'm doing, I'm basically giving her the scenario of in
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: her mind what the best table outme is for her.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: But then by her talking it's time of mind game.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I'm giving her an out and then I need her
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: to respond. So the truth she doesn't realize that. The
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: truth is that you just basically need her to keep
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: going and find that body. That's what you need. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: you're telling her whatever you have to tell her to
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: find that body, and thank thank God in Heaven that
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: you did that. I just got to give you a
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: little bit of great Well the catching you sing you're
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: not a bad person. Against what when when she makes
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: statements it goes against what I'm telling her. You know
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: what I'm giving her her fantasy of the outcome is
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: she's actually going against that. Well, I tell you the
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: last thing she wanted. The last thing she wanted were
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: those hospital records, okay, or the autopsy, because the what
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: do you believe the hospital records are going to show
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Kim Martin the previous hospital records on Lucas Hernandez, a
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: little five year old boy. Yeah, definitely old bruising. Um,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: always an excuse for why they're there, Uh, some vomiting,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason. Um. I won't get into
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the autopsy yet, but it will be interesting to see
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: what comes out of that, you know, right, we don't
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: have the autopsy yet, but when we do it, actually,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: it really depends a lot on how skeletonized this child's
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: body was. When David Marshburn first got out and went
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: out on the bridge and looked down, he thinks, he
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: tells me, he thinks he saw the top of Lucas's head,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: but he couldn't really tell because, um, Lucas is dark
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: brown hair had been bleached white by being out in
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the elements for so long. It just I just can
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: hardly put the words in my mouth about a five
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: year old child being tossed out like trash over a
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: bridge to lay there in the sun and rot and
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: this case languish. No one ever knew would know what
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: happened to Lucas until David marshburn got a old of
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Emily Glass. Listen, so where do you want to go?
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: You are not gonna see him, I promise you. I'm
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: not gonna let you do. You don't know where exactly
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: it's at. I just know it's in key cha cha?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Well how do we get a keycha? And stories of
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: you so direct men to looking for it? All right,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: So if I leave out of here, which way I go?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Listen to the right. Okay, you're gonna be Okay, You're
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: you're not, You're not, You're it's gonna be so your
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: your life is gonna change so much and be so relieved.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Then what I told you was the truth and how
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: everything's gonna happen because you're not a bad person. The
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: body of little Lucas was found twenty miles away from Wichita.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: That's um quite a distance for her to have driven
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: severely decomposed. It had been under a bridge for quite
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: a while when it was first spotted. It was, according
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: to police, unidentifiable. It was under a bridge um in
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: a very obscure area. David Marshburne described for me where
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the body was found. Where was that it was straight
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: from her house where they live. Uh, several miles north
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: um and it was on a desolate road, all gravel
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: roads out there there. There's there's really nothing but formal
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: land out there, so you know, it was it was.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: It's just empty out there. I couldn't believe she would
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: even know that that was out there unless she just
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: happened to run up on it. That's how a lot
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: of people get get away, or how how a body
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: is because they don't go to the norm where they
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: where they know the area and stuff. So that's how
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: it's that's how they get away with it for so
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: long as because they don't go where they normally. Normally,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: when someone kills someone, they'll take them out to where
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: they know the area. But she just happened to go
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: where she didn't even know that area. Well, I think
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you're you're right. I agree with about of that, David
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Marshbarn Because to to give an example, Scott Peterson murders
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Lacy and his unborn child Connor, where does he dump
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the bodies? He dumps the bodies in San Francisco Bay,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: where he goes fishing. That's familiar territory to him. Where
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: does top mom Casey Anthony Um dispose of her daughter,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Kelly's body ten houses down from the Anthony home, behind
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: a school where she used to go and hang out
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: with her little uh teen friends. That's where her body.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Kelly's body was found. It's an area with which she
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: was familiar. This is the part where I disagree, David Marshburn.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: We might not know the answer yet, but this area
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: has to be of some significance to her. She had
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: to know about it. I mean, somebody puts you in
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: a car Vincent Hill and says, okay, dispose of a body.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: You have to know this area existed. You just don't
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: go drive two hours and suddenly find an isolated bridge
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: to to dispose of a body. Yeah. One of the
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: things to keep in mind, nobody wants to drive around
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: that long with the body in their car. And keep
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: in mind too, she admitted to investigators that just before
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: or this, she had smoked a bunch of marijuana. So
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: this may have been a place she knew, because maybe
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: she had gotten drugs in the area before. But I
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: think you're you're spot on to say that this is
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: an area that she knew, because no one wants to
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: drive around that long with the body in the car.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: What about it. Kim Martin with Missing Pieces Network has
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: been trying to find Lucas for all these months. What
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: possible significance could this bridge, this area have for the
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: stepmother Emily Glass. None that I've been able to find
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: so far. Um. Of course we've looked into her relatives
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: and who might live where, you know, and I'm sure
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: there's relatives that I don't know about or friends that
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: live out there, But it's an odd location. Again, I
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: think everybody thought it was going to be some place
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: that she was familiar with. Yeah, and that's just it.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: And it's like you said, she wouldn't want to drive
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: around with the body in your car. She had a
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: restricted license, so technically she wasn't supposed to be driving
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: anywhere except to work, school, church or medical appointment. Yeah,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't know how she came up. Well,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: here's another issue I don't understand, as she Willcott juvenile
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: judge found our child crime watch dot com. If I'm right,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: she was the one with Lucas when you've had bruises before.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: She is the one who leads police to his body, Well,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: leads David Marshburn pa I to his body. She's the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: one who was alone with him at the time he died.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: She is the one who reported him quote missing. That's
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a lie. What are we waiting on, Ashley? Well, remember, Nancy,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: this is the case, and I know you remember. But
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: for listeners, the stepmother was recently acquitted of child endangerment
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: after she smoked pot before driving with her one year
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: old in her car. So I believe that the prosecution
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: is being exceedingly cautious to make certain they have all
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: their ducks in a row, they have all of the
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: evidence ready. I think they're also waiting for the autopsy
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: report to determine cause of death to this child before charges.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: To David Marshburn, you spent more time with Emily Glass
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: than anyone else outside of Lucas's dad. Do you think
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: that she will confess to how Lucas really died? The
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: autopsy is going up to tell the truth. I mean,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: she you canna understand now, I gave her an out,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: but I gave her will not coincide with that autopsy.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: That's why I say when I'm telling her she's a
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: good person and and I'm giving her, you know, basically
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: that out. I'm also having her talk so that will
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: counteract what I was what that out I was given her.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: That's why, you know a lot of people say, well, God,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: he really believes and he likes her, and he's doing
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. I'm letting her bury herself, basically, and
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: that's just part of the part of the way we
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: do these things. And you know, I just, uh, all times,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: she's gonna tell the truth. I did in in some
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: of this. I talked to her about, you know, the autopsy,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: and I basically said, unless there's a bullet hole, there's
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: not gonna be anything there for and autopsy. But little
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: did she knows, I know that's not true. Let me
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: ask you a difficult question, David Marshburn. You saw the
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: body five year old Lucas. How much tissue, skin, muscle
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: is left off Lucas. I'm trying to figure out whether
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: they will be able to even determine a cause of
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: death if there's enough of his body left for that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I was amazed how much was left. Now. I didn't
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: want to go into gruesome details or anything, but there
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: was quite a bit after being out there for that long.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: But I think the weather played a part in that.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: In February, when they had a real, real bad coat
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: storm the week of him missing, after she had laid
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: him out there, and it kind of um preserved his body,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: which was if we if we would have found him
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks later, there'd be nothing there. Well,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I always say Dr Brian Russell, host of
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Investigation Discoveries Fatal vows, if you don't know a horse,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: look at his track record. If we're trying to figure
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: out how Lucas was killed, you know, I think a
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: number of things. The first is, I'm here in Kansas,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and I can tell you that it has not gotten
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: really hot here until the last couple of weeks, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: so I think that David is correct that the weather
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: probably helped to preserve the body better than it would
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: have been preserved had it been found another couple of
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: weeks from now. I also agree with you that, uh,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: some kind of blunt force trauma to the skull, for example,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: is one of the things that we know from previous
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: cases that actually can be found and proven by medical
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: examiners even years later, even with an exhumed body, like
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: we saw happen in the Drew Peterson case in Illinois.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I also think that it is highly likely that there
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: is a connection between Emily Glass and the location where
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the body was found, in part also because she was
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: able to lead David back there. You know, they didn't
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: have to drive around for days trying to find this place.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: She was able to get him back there fairly quickly.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And I I the last thing I'll say here is
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I think he did a masterful job of playing into
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: He did a textbook illustration of playing to the narcissism
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: of the sociopath. Were you feed into the way in
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: which they want to see themselves. I'm still a good person.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be that bad. I'm gonna still
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: be okay. You know that's interesting, Dr Brian Russell. The
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: way he led her down the garden path, as he
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: should have. He had access, He got access to Emily
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Glass all on his own, in a way police never
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: could have, and she went right along with it. I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: don't understand, David Marshburne, how you got her in the
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: car to start If it's that southern him, I guess,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: but I had to work from you know, I'm an outsider.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I'm from my estate. You know that kind of distance
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: everything as well in her mind having Jonathan Jonathan was
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: going to be the key to get to her and
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: and to get to Jonathan. I basically had to of
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: the grandmother, Hey, if he doesn't call me and doesn't
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: want me to come out there, then he doesn't want
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: his son famil Because I do have a good track record.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Why would you go with someone that doesn't versus someone
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: who has a really good track record. So that was
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: indicator that Jonathan was pretty much on the up and up.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: And you know, that's just how I had to get
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: to him. And when we're talking about Jonathan, we're talking
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: about Lucas's biological dad with whom he was living, So
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: you got the dad on board. And for her to
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: keep up the pretense that she was innocent, I guess
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: she felt she had to get in the car and
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: go with you, David Well. I told her that was
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: part of the healing process, part of the um sympathy
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: and empathy that everyone would have. It was all about
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: what she looked like in the public. Guys, I want
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: you to listen to what I considered to be the
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: most critical secret recording. Listen. I'm so sorry for I. Hell,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it's okay. The only thing you can do my hair
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: is move forward. And doing my hair right. Where's the
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I did a little get so wrong? I didn't wrong,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: got honest to David Marshburne, what is she saying there?
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: She's saying that, you know, she did Lucas Rome and
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and then at the very very end, finally it breaks
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: through to to her mental state and everything that's to
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: god honest truth. I mean, she finally come out all
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the wayan and it's you know, she said two important things.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I did Lucas so wrong. That's the God's honest truth.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Nancy Glass is again a free woman. That's after spending
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: about four days in jail on an obstruction charge for
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: allegedly lying to police about Lucas. After Wichita detectives met
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: with prosecutors Wednesday afternoon, District Attorney Mark Bennett emerged from
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: his office and surprise reporters announcing there would be no
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: charges against Emily Glass for now, at least not until
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: they see the full results of the autopsy and they
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: follow up on new investigative leads. The obstruction charge filed
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: against the step mom has been dropped, and she was
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: released from jail Soon after the district Attorney's announcement. The
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: jail website says, Glass has been released without having to
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: post any bonds, since, of course she's not facing any
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: current charges. All we can do now is seek justice
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: with me is David Marshburne, the Private Eye, is being
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: lauded today for having the wherewithal to finagle to wrangle
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: little Lucas's stepmother into the car, driving for hours and hours,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: managing to keep up conversation with her and reel her
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: in until the case was solved. Was it solved the
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: way we wanted? No, because what we wanted was Lucas
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: to be alive and happy. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.
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