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Speaker 1: I am Chad Mellman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.
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Speaker 1: I am joined as I am every episode by my bff,
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Speaker 1: my companion, my compadre professional better Simon Hunter. Dude, we
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Speaker 1: are digging in on your favorite topic today. And I
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Speaker 1: don't just mean betting on the NFL. Yeah, we're a
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Speaker 1: bother to talk about my favorite team chat. What a
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Speaker 1: magical weekend for not just me, also for Chicago. Chad's
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Speaker 1: bears want to know at the top of the NFC North, Wow,
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Speaker 1: how's the field? Chad want to know in the division
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Speaker 1: that many said you guys had no chance in, but
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Speaker 1: here you sit after week one, only only team undefeated.
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Speaker 1: And listen, we beat the Kansas City Chiefs unbelieva. It's uh,
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Speaker 1: it's a huge, huge weekend for us. We're gonna savor it.
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Speaker 1: We've got some highlights we're gonna own. It could be
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Speaker 1: the best thing that happens to us all season could
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Speaker 1: only go down from here. You're right, We're gonna talk
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Speaker 1: about your favorite team with with a guy who he
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Speaker 1: symbolizes the NFC East. We have been going through division
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Speaker 1: by division, the betting odds to win each division, our
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Speaker 1: favorite bets for each division. Today's guest was an All
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Speaker 1: Conference offensive lineman at Princeton, but for enjoying a seven
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Speaker 1: year career in the NFL. Today's radio host. He's a
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Speaker 1: podcast mobil. He's a game analyst for your Philadelphia Eagles. Simon,
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Speaker 1: He's become, according to Matt Mitchell, one of the most
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Speaker 1: refreshing voices and most popular ex athletes in sports media.
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Speaker 1: You can hear him every week. I'm one of his
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Speaker 1: several podcasts, including the sports betting show Even Money with Physick,
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Speaker 1: the World Famix Famous Physik, two time veteran of the
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Speaker 1: NFC East, Mr Ross Tucker, what's going on, brother? Good
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Speaker 1: to have you. What's up, dudes? Yeah, you guys have
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Speaker 1: both been on Even Money. I think Simon's on a
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Speaker 1: couple of times. Chat. I know you've been on at
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Speaker 1: least once, so good to return the favor be on
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Speaker 1: your show. And yes, So my first two teams were
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Speaker 1: two NFC East teams that were not the team I
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Speaker 1: grew up adoring, which is the Philadelphia Eagles. I mean literally, chat,
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Speaker 1: I grew up huge Eagles fan in reading Pennsylvania outside
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Speaker 1: of Philly. Like, I would go to training camp and
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Speaker 1: I probably got random Cunningham's autograph at least fifteen times.
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Speaker 1: Reggie White would get annoyed by me, Keith Jackson, Keith
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Speaker 1: Fires like those are my guys. So I would go
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Speaker 1: to west Chester for training camp a couple of times
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Speaker 1: a year at least, just trying to get as many
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Speaker 1: autographs I could. You know what's funny, By the way,
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Speaker 1: I promised myself when I was a little kid at
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Speaker 1: those training camps that if I ever made the NFL
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Speaker 1: that I would sign autograph for every kid there, because
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Speaker 1: I was like, why don't they all just signed for
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Speaker 1: all of us? Guess what? You know what the reality is,
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Speaker 1: in all seven of my years I was either competing
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Speaker 1: to start, which is three of the year, two or
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Speaker 1: three of the years or four the years I was
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Speaker 1: battling to make sure I had a roster spot. I
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Speaker 1: didn't sign any autographs like in my head, okay, in
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Speaker 1: my head. As soon as practice was over, I needed
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Speaker 1: to go in shower, cold tub, get back to the
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Speaker 1: dorm or get back to my bed, get off my feet,
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Speaker 1: lay down, sleep, get as much rest as I possibly
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Speaker 1: could before that next practice. To me, signing autographs was
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Speaker 1: getting in the way of me earning my money and
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Speaker 1: it was a competitive disadvantage if I signed autographs. So
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Speaker 1: if anybody sees me now, like anywhere, I'll sign anything
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Speaker 1: for anybody now. But if you came to training camp,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I broke my promise, but like I had
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Speaker 1: a job to do so. And the funny thing is
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Speaker 1: to Chad that year, the team I wanted to play
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Speaker 1: for the most when I was in the NFL the Giants,
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Speaker 1: because my wife, who we were dating, was living in
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Speaker 1: New York City. I literally called Jim McNally after somebody
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Speaker 1: cut me maybe the Cowboys. I called Jim mcnalley, the
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Speaker 1: Giants O line coach, was like, coach, I really, can
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Speaker 1: you guys pick me up on what I really want
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Speaker 1: to come to the Giants? Like I don't know, I'm
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Speaker 1: not understand. I got like my girlfriend lives there. I
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Speaker 1: really want to come to the Giants and uh so
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Speaker 1: I got claimed by the Chargers. San Diego Chargers and
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Speaker 1: the Bills, and literally didn't know where I was going.
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Speaker 1: Because you guys are gonna love this. They base it
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Speaker 1: on one loss record from the season before. So my
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Speaker 1: agent told me that the San Diego Chargers and the
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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills had both put in waiver claims for me.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so where am I going? He says,
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Speaker 1: all right, hold on, let me check. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: They were both eight and eight last year. So I
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Speaker 1: literally had my bags packed. I was gonna drive to
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Speaker 1: Buffalo from from Pennsylvania or drive to the airport and
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Speaker 1: fly to San Diego. And evidently before the draft they
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Speaker 1: do a coin flip to see who drafts first, and
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Speaker 1: whoever drafts first also gets first waiver claim. So I
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Speaker 1: found out at four PM that I was going to Buffalo,
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Speaker 1: and I got in my car into golf. I drove
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Speaker 1: six hours of Buffalo right away instead of flying to
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Speaker 1: San Diego. Like, my whole life could have been different.
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Speaker 1: I could be in California right now, Like who knows,
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Speaker 1: it's crazy. You could be loving life, living by the beach,
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Speaker 1: enjoying a mansion in Lahoya instead, like you get to
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Speaker 1: brag about having a place on the Jersey Shore. It's
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Speaker 1: so different. Uh, there's there is a story. There is
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Speaker 1: a question I do want to ask you before we
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Speaker 1: get into because I do think it will lead nicely
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Speaker 1: into the conversation about the NFC East. And since you
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Speaker 1: are both a former NFL player and someone who hosts
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Speaker 1: a betting podcast, tell everybody about the time you earned
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Speaker 1: your one game ball as a member of the Dallas
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Speaker 1: Cowboys and what happened at your high school reunion. I
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Speaker 1: got a bunch of game balls, but Chad's right, I
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Speaker 1: did only get one from my for the Cowboys, which,
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Speaker 1: by the way, so I started the last seven games
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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys at Left Garden to thousand and two,
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Speaker 1: which is amazing because any time I meet like a
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Speaker 1: Cowboys fan and they say I'm the biggest Cowboys fan
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Speaker 1: ever ever. Chad Simon I always asked him the same question.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that's cool because they found out, like
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Speaker 1: I'm a broadcast. I'm like, just out of curiosity, do
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Speaker 1: you know who who started the last seven games at
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Speaker 1: Left Garden two thousand two? And they're always Chad. They're
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Speaker 1: always like, oh, oh I know this. Oh I'm like, dude,
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Speaker 1: it's me. It's really like, who else would you even
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Speaker 1: ask you that question? Dude, nobody, It's me just say
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Speaker 1: you like so Anyway, I started for the Cowboys a
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Speaker 1: month after Washington and Steve Spurrier cut me in two
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Speaker 1: thousand two on Thanksgiving, which is probably the biggest football
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Speaker 1: game I've ever started, right the Cowboys Thanksgiving Day game.
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Speaker 1: Somebody told me once second highest ratings of any football
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Speaker 1: game after the Super Bowl. Evidently every television in the
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Speaker 1: country has the Cowboys Thanksgiving game on. Whether they're watching
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Speaker 1: it or not, I don't know, but for ratings. So
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Speaker 1: I'm twenty three years old, I'm starting for the Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: We win Emmett rush is for over a hundred yards.
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Speaker 1: He gives me a shout out after the game when
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Speaker 1: he gets his turkey leg or whatever, which was cool.
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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. You get the whole weekend off
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Speaker 1: on a Thursday game, so I get a game ball whatever.
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Speaker 1: The next morning, I fly back to Philly. My cousin
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Speaker 1: picks me up. I come back to reading. It's like
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Speaker 1: an hour. That night is my fifth year high school
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Speaker 1: class reunion. I'm twenty three years old and I started
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Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys the day before. You know, the
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Speaker 1: teachers and the teacher senior year, they're like, all right
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Speaker 1: down where you want to be for your tenth reunion
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Speaker 1: or your fifty Like I wouldn't even have I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: even made that up. Like I started for the Cowboys
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Speaker 1: the day before, and everybody watched me. It was at
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Speaker 1: like a Canal Street brew pub in downtown Reading. I
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Speaker 1: walked in and any girl that wouldn't date me in
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Speaker 1: high school, and there wasn't that many of them, but
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Speaker 1: there was a couple. I would just look at them like, Hi, Barbara,
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Speaker 1: Oh hey Melissa, how are you? How was your Thanksgiving?
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Speaker 1: What did you do yesterday? Anyway, it was amazing there
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Speaker 1: any teenagers watching. First of all, you're not supposed to
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Speaker 1: bet yet, And secondly, I highly recommend starting for the
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Speaker 1: Cowboys day before your reunion, So try to try to
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Speaker 1: do that. How tall were you then and what did
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Speaker 1: you weigh? Six four and a half? Probably like three twelve.
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Speaker 1: But I know where you're getting at, Chad, And this
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Speaker 1: is a good point. No, there's a good point. The
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Speaker 1: reality is what are we looking for all the time
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Speaker 1: in betting? We're looking for edges? Right? The reality is
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Speaker 1: there are not a lot of girls looking for three
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Speaker 1: plus pound guys. Like when they're all getting ready to
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Speaker 1: go out that night and they're like blow drying their hair.
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Speaker 1: Never once does one of them say, I just hope
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Speaker 1: the right three or twenty pound guy come up to
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Speaker 1: me tonight. Nobody says that that's not how it works.
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Speaker 1: So it's but you know what, I will say this,
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Speaker 1: It was very helpful because they're either into it or
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Speaker 1: not and only about ten or even gonna consider it.
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Speaker 1: So I go up to it's his numbers game. I
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Speaker 1: could know right away. I'm like, oh, she's she's she's
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Speaker 1: not into it at all. Like, forget it, see you later.
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Speaker 1: Have a good life. Your skinny loser is not gonna
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Speaker 1: be as cool as me. But have fun with him.
11:16
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, six pack, that's great. That's great. That will
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Speaker 1: last real long in life. So anyway, um, what were
11:22
Speaker 1: there any jerks who like dudes who came up to
11:28
Speaker 1: you or like, I don't care you're six four three,
11:31
Speaker 1: I'll still beat the funk out of you. No two things, though.
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Speaker 1: One is one guy who I won't mention brought up
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Speaker 1: the fact that I gave up a sack to Bruce Smith.
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Speaker 1: The day before on Thanksgiving, which by the way, is
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Speaker 1: now one of my claims to fame. Bruce Smith had
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Speaker 1: two career sacks NFL record. It's only one without me, Bro,
11:52
Speaker 1: he doesn't get to two hundred unless I wish think
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Speaker 1: about that. Okay, so it's only one night nine without me.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, So he brought up that I tried to
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Speaker 1: cut Bruce and missed. I'm just like, what do you
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Speaker 1: even talk You didn't even make the high school basketball team.
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Speaker 1: What are you even talking about right now? But no,
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Speaker 1: nobody ever like to only two stories ever, Chad that
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Speaker 1: that are that are like that one time I'm at
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Speaker 1: a bar and reading and a guy because that to
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Speaker 1: me goes, uh hey, I went back and watched my
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Speaker 1: high school video against you, and I did pretty good
12:28
Speaker 1: against you actually, and I was like, man, that is awesome.
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Speaker 1: That is really cool. Do you want me to like
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Speaker 1: sign something that says that for you? Like, like, like
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Speaker 1: whatever you want me to do, buddy, Like you want
12:37
Speaker 1: you write down I did pretty good against Ross Tucker
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Speaker 1: in a high school game. I will sign that for
12:42
Speaker 1: whatever you want. And then one time some guy wanted
12:44
Speaker 1: to arm wrestle me real bad when I was in
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Speaker 1: the NFL, and this guy was like yoked for arms
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Speaker 1: and he kept like like trying to goad me into it,
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Speaker 1: like come on, I'm like, dude, there's no there's no
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Speaker 1: value in that for me. No, Like, first of all,
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Speaker 1: you look like you can beat me in arm wrestling
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Speaker 1: tech only. I don't want to like Caro ligament in
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Speaker 1: my elbow, Like no, if you want me to SIGNCE,
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Speaker 1: I mean it says you're a better arm wrestler than me,
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Speaker 1: Like I'll do that. So he kept trying to be
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Speaker 1: nice about it, and then finally he was like yeah,
13:12
Speaker 1: because you know I beat the I kicked the you
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Speaker 1: know what out of you or something like that. Like
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Speaker 1: he really got testy then, because this is probably his gag, right,
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Speaker 1: Like that was how he got girls. Is like he
13:23
Speaker 1: go up to the biggest guy beat him in arm
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Speaker 1: wrestling and like that was like I wasn't gonna get
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Speaker 1: give him his his satisfaction. Listen, there's an important question
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Speaker 1: which I think Simon I both want to know. How
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Speaker 1: can any of your NFL experiences help us figure out
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Speaker 1: whether or not the Cowboys are a good bet to
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Speaker 1: win the division? Right now, their odds to win the
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Speaker 1: division Cording to FanDuel plus onety five, those are the
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Speaker 1: shortest odds to win the division win total ten and
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Speaker 1: a half. Give us your take. Yeah, I don't think
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Speaker 1: they're a good bet to win the division at all.
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Speaker 1: I like the under actually for the Cowboys. So let
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Speaker 1: me take Let me say one thing. Okay, because I
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Speaker 1: work for the Eagles now and do their preseason games,
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Speaker 1: people think I'm biased or I'm a homer or whatever
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Speaker 1: not when it comes to betting, like, I will tell
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Speaker 1: you exactly what I think. Okay, the Cowboys are not
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Speaker 1: as good as a team as they were last year.
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Speaker 1: It would be impossible to make the argument that they are.
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Speaker 1: First of all, they lose a Marie Cooper, Seene Lamb's
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Speaker 1: great A. Mark Cooper is still probably their best receiver
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Speaker 1: last year. Gallop. We'll come back at some point off
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Speaker 1: of pup, but we don't know when that is. That's
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Speaker 1: not good that they're not as good at receiver. We'll
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Speaker 1: see if there are any better on the old line.
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Speaker 1: But they're replacing Connor Williams, who's decent with a rookie
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Speaker 1: and Tyler Smith or maybe Connor McGovern. They also lost
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Speaker 1: their right tackle, Lyle Collins, and then so they're not.
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Speaker 1: They don't any depth of tackle now, So Terrence Steele,
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Speaker 1: who was the swing guy, is now the starter. He's
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Speaker 1: not as good as Lyle Collins. So we can definitively
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Speaker 1: say at at least two positions, they're worse wide receiver
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Speaker 1: that Amari Cooper. Right tackle. They might be worse at
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Speaker 1: left guard. They might be worse at number three receiver
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Speaker 1: with Gallops injury. The early returns on Jalen Tilbert where good.
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Speaker 1: He's a rookie from South Alabama. I'm not putting a
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Speaker 1: lot of stock in him this year. So offensively they're
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Speaker 1: clearly worse. Defensively, they lose Randy Gregory, who had a
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Speaker 1: good year for them. Maybe you call that, like ah,
15:52
Speaker 1: a fair trade. Even Stephen with Sam Williams, the rookie
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Speaker 1: from All miss We'll see they had seventeen allies in
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Speaker 1: their first preseason game I played for them. You talk
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Speaker 1: about insight, Chad, there's a lack of accountability within the organization. Okay,
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Speaker 1: how about after the playoff loss to the Niners, McCarthy
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Speaker 1: comes in. All he does is complaining about the refs.
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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott finds out that they were throwing stuff at
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Speaker 1: the refs, not the Marcus Lawrence and says, well, then
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Speaker 1: good for them. Like the total lack of accountability in
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Speaker 1: the organization has been there since I was there. It
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Speaker 1: was when I was there, like they would feed you
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Speaker 1: like fried chicken and mashed potatoes for lunch, and they
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Speaker 1: would pay roll deducted from your check. Played for five
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Speaker 1: NFL teams. The Dallas Cowboys, worth the zillion billion dollars,
16:48
Speaker 1: charged a hundred for the dollars a week for lunch.
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Speaker 1: I was like, well, what if I just bring like
16:54
Speaker 1: a turkey sandwich on wheat bread something like. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: this is garbage and I'm paying for it. This is terrible.
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Speaker 1: So that's why the Cowboys are not a good bet
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Speaker 1: to win the division. That's why I like the under
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Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys at ten and a half. So, Simon,
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Speaker 1: that is really good. By the way, the lack of accountability,
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Speaker 1: we all see it all the time. Uh, none of
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Speaker 1: us are fans of Mike McCarthy. Simon, I got a
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Speaker 1: pretty good idea of how you feel about the Cowboys
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Speaker 1: right now. But but light us up a little bit. Yeah,
17:28
Speaker 1: I agree with so much. For a raw sentence, it's
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Speaker 1: really about what are you talking about? The old line.
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Speaker 1: That's my biggest glaring issue I've seen with this team.
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Speaker 1: It's that's a big deal, right loon, Losing Collins is
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Speaker 1: a big deal the right tackle position. So you know, Dak,
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Speaker 1: I can't really knock him right. He's done well during
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Speaker 1: the regular season. We've just seen him not performing the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: They have what three playoff wins since the two thousands,
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Speaker 1: So it's it's just tough to really have faith in
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Speaker 1: the Dallas team that we've seen time and time again.
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Speaker 1: They have talent, but there's always something missing. Either you
17:58
Speaker 1: can blame on the head coach, you can blame on
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Speaker 1: the quarterback. There's just always something missing with this Dallas team.
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Speaker 1: And we know the history of the NFC East, there
18:05
Speaker 1: has been a repeat divisional winner over twenty years. So
18:09
Speaker 1: just going basic math, you're you're taking a bad number
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Speaker 1: on this Dallas team, right, like this should be closer
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Speaker 1: to the Eagles than it is. Just a simple fact
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Speaker 1: that Dallas one last year. It's the Cowboys. They've just
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Speaker 1: been bet up to this point where they plus one
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Speaker 1: thirty five plus one thirty So yeah, yeah, I just
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Speaker 1: I just don't think it's a smart bet to take Dallas.
18:27
Speaker 1: I do like they're under. They feel like a tenant seven,
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Speaker 1: nine and eight kind of team this year, where we
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Speaker 1: just expect them to take a step back last year.
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Speaker 1: If people don't remember, go back and watch Dak through
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Speaker 1: their first eight games. Out of this world talent wise,
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Speaker 1: Like this kid could not miss simple fact you just
18:43
Speaker 1: talked about. You have gallop, it's ceedee lamb. You had
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Speaker 1: a Mark Cooper as his three receivers. It's just gonna
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Speaker 1: be different this year. So I do like the Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: I just don't like him at this price. I would
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Speaker 1: not bet any of their over bets. So for me
18:56
Speaker 1: time and a half, that's a good bet. Bet they're under.
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, We spent five minutes talking about
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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Not one person here has mentioned the
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Speaker 1: highest paid running back in the NFL, Ezekie Elliott. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's I have the best running back on his own team.
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Speaker 1: So not much to say about the guy right now. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's that's a whole other thing, Chad, which is that's
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Speaker 1: a great example of the lack of accountability, Like they're
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Speaker 1: gonna keep giving him the ball just because they gave
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Speaker 1: that contract everybody. My mom could tell you that Tony
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Speaker 1: dot net in West Virginia. Simon loves the Eagles. Ross Tucker,
22:09
Speaker 1: you love the Eagles. You are a broadcaster for the Eagles.
22:13
Speaker 1: I am actually shocked that the Eagles are plus one seventy.
22:19
Speaker 1: The total is nine and a half. I can't find anybody,
22:22
Speaker 1: Simon you start who looks at this division and says, oh, yeah,
22:27
Speaker 1: I wouldn't bet the Eagles, or I wouldn't bet there
22:29
Speaker 1: over nine and a half, especially in comparison to the Cowboys. Yeah,
22:33
Speaker 1: A little scary because it's not only pros that loved
22:35
Speaker 1: them this year. That's the fantasy guys, right. We had
22:37
Speaker 1: chriss On couldn't stop talking about how much he liked
22:39
Speaker 1: Hurts and what he was talking about on their show,
22:42
Speaker 1: so I know him and Shaun are on the whole
22:44
Speaker 1: Eagles trained too. But you know, it's funny looking back
22:47
Speaker 1: about a month ago and I went on Ross's show,
22:49
Speaker 1: I just talked about this Eagles D line is arguably
22:52
Speaker 1: one of the top two, top three d lines in
22:54
Speaker 1: all of football. I took a lot of heat from
22:56
Speaker 1: it because I don't think enough people are really looking
22:58
Speaker 1: into this team and that you know, they're like a
23:00
Speaker 1: last year's statue, like, oh, they're thirty one and sack
23:02
Speaker 1: rate this year. This Eagles team, the starters from last year.
23:06
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham, he's our He's the second guy in right,
23:09
Speaker 1: they have a guy sweat. They have Reddeck ahead of
23:11
Speaker 1: him on the D line. I don't know if you've
23:13
Speaker 1: seen this kid, Chad Jered Davis from Georgia, the first
23:17
Speaker 1: round thick the Eagles took. I mean, the kid is
23:20
Speaker 1: I don't know, three thirty three forty six six and
23:24
Speaker 1: ran a four seven forty. So it's just like watching
23:27
Speaker 1: this kid in the field, seeing him take up the
23:29
Speaker 1: doubles and letting Fletcher Cock gets single, Fletcher Cox be
23:32
Speaker 1: single blocked. That's what I'm looking for, right, I'm looking
23:35
Speaker 1: for an Eagles team that how he builds it, right,
23:38
Speaker 1: he builds it on the d line, he builds on
23:39
Speaker 1: the offensive line. So looking at this division at every
23:43
Speaker 1: position I look at, the Eagles is the best in
23:45
Speaker 1: this division every position except quarterback. Right. I still give
23:48
Speaker 1: that the deck because Doc has a proven track record.
23:50
Speaker 1: But we just saw Hurts and every one preseason game
23:52
Speaker 1: he went six or six driving down the field and
23:54
Speaker 1: never threw the ball to a J. Brown on the
23:56
Speaker 1: sport and they scored a touchdown. That's what I wanted
23:58
Speaker 1: to see from Hurt. So to me, I was already
24:00
Speaker 1: hyped about the Eagles. I took them up plus two hundred.
24:03
Speaker 1: That s a reason I'll tell people not to bet
24:05
Speaker 1: them divisionally. Right now they're at plus one seventy. Me
24:08
Speaker 1: and chat, we're gonna talk about Week one. We we
24:09
Speaker 1: like the lines. That's what you're looking for right at
24:12
Speaker 1: this point. You're looking for. If the Eagles could drop
24:14
Speaker 1: Week one to the lines, bam, you get huge value
24:18
Speaker 1: on betting them divisionally. You bet get huge value on
24:20
Speaker 1: Hurts m v P. That's when you want to take
24:22
Speaker 1: the Eagles. You don't want to bet them now the
24:24
Speaker 1: middle of the summer, just because the fans have betted
24:27
Speaker 1: up right, it's it's always down to plus one seventy.
24:29
Speaker 1: Now you've already missed the value. I'd hold off on that.
24:32
Speaker 1: If you still like the over, I'd take it. It's
24:34
Speaker 1: a nine and a half. It's still a good number.
24:36
Speaker 1: But again you missed the value. It was that nine
24:37
Speaker 1: at one point. So to me, I liked you over.
24:39
Speaker 1: I like them divisionally. I just don't hate on waiting
24:42
Speaker 1: down if you want better odds. I love Hey. You
24:45
Speaker 1: were talking about Howie Roseman, the Eagles GM, who's been
24:50
Speaker 1: there forever. Uh, and since he's come back, has started
24:52
Speaker 1: to rebuild this roster and this is the make or
24:55
Speaker 1: break for Jalen Hurts. Uh. You mentioned Davis that obviously
25:00
Speaker 1: everyone has seen that clip of him just bull rushing
25:04
Speaker 1: the guy on the other side of the line. What
25:05
Speaker 1: I loved about that, though, was in the press conference
25:09
Speaker 1: aster after he was asked about it, and he didn't
25:12
Speaker 1: play it up at all. He was like, look, it's
25:14
Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. There are plays where
25:16
Speaker 1: I get bull rushed. There are places where other people
25:18
Speaker 1: get bull rushed. People happen to see that one thing
25:20
Speaker 1: they're making a big deal about it. Everybody. It happens
25:23
Speaker 1: to everybody on this team. He was actually so humble
25:26
Speaker 1: about it. Obviously he's going to be the kind of
25:28
Speaker 1: guy who people will rally around as a teammate. You know, Ross,
25:34
Speaker 1: you're inside the organization, Well, can you tell us, Well,
25:39
Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised by the number uh in terms
25:42
Speaker 1: of the wind total when you just consider it. Last year,
25:46
Speaker 1: the owner came out and said it was a transition year.
25:50
Speaker 1: They had a first year head coach in Nick Sirian.
25:53
Speaker 1: They had a first year starting quarterback and Jalen Hurts.
25:56
Speaker 1: They went nine and seven in the sixteen games they
26:00
Speaker 1: tried to win, including seven and two down the stretch.
26:04
Speaker 1: They didn't play any of their starters in the Week
26:06
Speaker 1: eight teen contest against the Cowboys. So now you have
26:12
Speaker 1: a second year head coach and a second year quarterback
26:15
Speaker 1: in Jalen Hurts. He's never had the same offensive coach
26:19
Speaker 1: two years in a row. You go back to Alabama, Oklahoma, NFL,
26:23
Speaker 1: new coordinator, new play caller every year, so he finally
26:26
Speaker 1: can take a higher level. Of course, he finally isn't
26:29
Speaker 1: learning a new offense right now. Then they had a j.
26:33
Speaker 1: Brown who's the top five wide receiver in the NFL
26:36
Speaker 1: and a perfect fit for what they do on the
26:40
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. Get Isaac say, I'm all
26:42
Speaker 1: back at right guard, who's a very solid player. And
26:45
Speaker 1: then defensively they added a lot of Hassan Reddick has
26:48
Speaker 1: twenty three and a half sacks the last two years.
26:52
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis, who Simon mentioned, looked real good in the
26:55
Speaker 1: preseason game the other night. So did both their new linebackers,
26:58
Speaker 1: Kaisier White and the Kobe Them both made play. Look,
27:01
Speaker 1: don't ask me, just go watch the tape forget. Just
27:04
Speaker 1: go watch the game Friday night. Is it a huge
27:07
Speaker 1: sample size? No, but I'd rather them look good than
27:10
Speaker 1: bad in that sample size. And then they added, uh, Bradberry.
27:15
Speaker 1: Think at James Bradberry. This is the best cornerback trio
27:19
Speaker 1: the Eagles have had since like early to talent like
27:23
Speaker 1: Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent. Maybe it's hard to imagine them
27:29
Speaker 1: not winning at least ten or eleven games. It really is,
27:32
Speaker 1: like ten or eleven is so much more likely then
27:38
Speaker 1: eight or nine. I just I don't And the schedule
27:41
Speaker 1: is still not that hard. I don't see how you
27:43
Speaker 1: don't take the over. I've been saying it for a while.
27:46
Speaker 1: With the Eagles, I think they are pretty much on
27:49
Speaker 1: par with the Cowboys in terms of who wins this division.
27:53
Speaker 1: They should have the same division winning odds. They should
27:56
Speaker 1: have that same season win total number. In my mind,
28:00
Speaker 1: you mentioned to Kobe Dean that guy was just blowing
28:04
Speaker 1: shipped up in that first game against the Jets. He's
28:08
Speaker 1: going to be one of those guys where a year
28:10
Speaker 1: from now people are like, how did we let him slip?
28:13
Speaker 1: Last question about the Eagles because you mentioned Sirianni. Nick Sirianni,
28:17
Speaker 1: I think when the year began last year, we all
28:19
Speaker 1: had a lot of questions about him, and this was
28:21
Speaker 1: a team that consistently got better and better, especially like
28:25
Speaker 1: you could count on them in the first half. They
28:28
Speaker 1: were a team that was going to perform in the
28:30
Speaker 1: first half, and you're gonna want to bet on them
28:32
Speaker 1: in the first half. Ross, what have you seen of Sirianni?
28:36
Speaker 1: How did he get better over the year. I think
28:40
Speaker 1: they just realized it took him a while to figure
28:42
Speaker 1: out who they were and what they are, and what
28:45
Speaker 1: they are is the best old line in the NFL,
28:47
Speaker 1: and they're a running team. What's interesting is they came
28:50
Speaker 1: out in the preseason and through the ball every play
28:53
Speaker 1: because I think they kind of look at it like, well,
28:56
Speaker 1: we know we can run the ball. Where we want
28:58
Speaker 1: to get better is throwing the ball. So that's what
29:01
Speaker 1: they worked on on their first drive, and Hurts was
29:03
Speaker 1: six for six eight yard. They overcame two penalties to
29:06
Speaker 1: score a touchdown against the Jet starters. But I do
29:11
Speaker 1: think that it was just a matter of them figuring
29:14
Speaker 1: out what the strength and weaknesses of this team were really,
29:17
Speaker 1: both sides of all, because the defense is better down
29:19
Speaker 1: the stretch, the office better on the stretch. Also, their
29:22
Speaker 1: schedule got easier, Like their schedule is definitely easier down
29:24
Speaker 1: the stretch than it was earlier in the season playing
29:26
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and all these other teams, Niners, whatever. But
29:30
Speaker 1: they figured out who they were. I am so curious
29:34
Speaker 1: see how they come out of the gates this year
29:36
Speaker 1: and to see if they pick up where they left
29:38
Speaker 1: off or if they try to do new things and
29:40
Speaker 1: maybe they try to throw the ball more, maybe it
29:41
Speaker 1: doesn't work. We'll find out pretty early because at the
29:44
Speaker 1: Troit game, Simon mentioned that's a scary game that the
29:48
Speaker 1: Lions have a lot of momentum, Like Lions are feel
29:51
Speaker 1: good story. The Lions don't feel like a three win team,
29:54
Speaker 1: you know, easy win for the Eagles at all in
29:57
Speaker 1: that game. Gimme Lions plus four give lines on the
30:00
Speaker 1: money line. Washington what is their nickname now? Washington Commanders
30:07
Speaker 1: so lame plus five hundred to win the division win
30:12
Speaker 1: total eight and a half. I don't know. Like they're
30:16
Speaker 1: getting healthier on the defense, which I think is why
30:18
Speaker 1: people were so excited about him last year. I'm so
30:22
Speaker 1: out on Carson Wentz. I love Ron Rivera. They've already
30:26
Speaker 1: fired their defensive their linebacker cut was, their defensive coordinators,
30:30
Speaker 1: their defensive line coach, Sam Mills. Coach Sam Mills the third,
30:34
Speaker 1: which is weird because I saw him two days earlier
30:37
Speaker 1: at his dad's Hall of Fame thing, and Canda curious
30:41
Speaker 1: what happened there. And so I don't know, Simon, there's
30:46
Speaker 1: no way we look at the Commanders as a long
30:48
Speaker 1: shot to win the division. What do you think? They're
30:50
Speaker 1: total no. And even all the other pros I've talked to,
30:53
Speaker 1: like met up with a bunch of guys this past weekend,
30:56
Speaker 1: and they see they're making all their beds. We're talking
30:58
Speaker 1: about futures single. I mean, a bunch of assholes out there,
31:01
Speaker 1: bet the Giants. No one's been Washington, right. It's just
31:04
Speaker 1: funny where every year guys will talk up Washington usually
31:08
Speaker 1: like I was one of those guys last year. It's
31:09
Speaker 1: like a great defense made a playoffs without a quarterback
31:12
Speaker 1: last year, Like they should be better with Fitzpatrick. He
31:14
Speaker 1: went down Week one and we saw it played out.
31:16
Speaker 1: They just weren't that good of a team. Again. I
31:19
Speaker 1: I want to believe in Carson, but it's all mental
31:22
Speaker 1: at at this point with him. Like I watched that
31:24
Speaker 1: preseason game. He just had a couple of passes where
31:26
Speaker 1: it's like the kid doesn't get his feet set. It's
31:29
Speaker 1: just he does all these he does all these things
31:31
Speaker 1: that he regressed and all these different aspects of being
31:34
Speaker 1: a quarterback position. So I'm down on them. I bet
31:37
Speaker 1: they're under. I didn't bet big on it, right, it's
31:39
Speaker 1: not one of my bigger bets I had. Bet they're under.
31:41
Speaker 1: I haven't touched anything for them divisionally, Um kind of
31:44
Speaker 1: Benna waiting see approach to Washington, but just just don't
31:47
Speaker 1: have the confidence and a lot of bad JUGI with
31:49
Speaker 1: this team right now, um, from top to bottom, from
31:51
Speaker 1: ownership to the players on the field, I just don't
31:54
Speaker 1: don't like the vibe of this Washington team. It's yeah
31:58
Speaker 1: to me, like you mentioned to the Giants, and I
32:00
Speaker 1: do want to get to them because I think they're
32:02
Speaker 1: the more interesting team of the remaining two. Uh. When
32:06
Speaker 1: you see a situation like Carson wentz Ross who got
32:10
Speaker 1: drumbeat out of Philly, Uh, was run out of Indie
32:14
Speaker 1: with the owner basically saying this was a bad experiment.
32:18
Speaker 1: Now he goes to Washington, a reclamation project all the
32:20
Speaker 1: way around. Do players rally around something like that? How
32:25
Speaker 1: can he get that team to get behind him. Get
32:30
Speaker 1: off to a good start. Really important he gets off
32:33
Speaker 1: to a good start, because I'm sure they want him
32:36
Speaker 1: to be the guy, but they know what happened the
32:38
Speaker 1: last two stops. If he gets off to a good
32:40
Speaker 1: starts like, Okay, here's the guy that could have an
32:42
Speaker 1: m VP in he's good. Don't know what happened before,
32:45
Speaker 1: but he's good. Gets off to a bad start, it
32:49
Speaker 1: could get real ugly, like really like Sam Howe ugly.
32:55
Speaker 1: Maybe try Sam Howe for the Rookie of the Year.
32:58
Speaker 1: If he if if Wentz things up the joint, Sam
33:00
Speaker 1: Howell comes in. I will say this, John dots in
33:05
Speaker 1: their first round pick. I watched a lot of penalte football.
33:08
Speaker 1: He's good. I mean there, you know, Curtis, Samuel, Terry McLaurin,
33:12
Speaker 1: John Dotson. Wentz can't say he doesn't have weapons. That
33:15
Speaker 1: was one of the arguments they said about last year
33:17
Speaker 1: in Indie. He can't say that he has He has
33:20
Speaker 1: some legit receivers there. I would take the under Simon
33:25
Speaker 1: the Giants. This is an interesting team. I mean, Daniel
33:30
Speaker 1: Jones has been terrible in the preseason, truly awful. Um,
33:34
Speaker 1: but it's an interesting team. Nonethe last a lot of
33:36
Speaker 1: conversations around Sequon Barkley and his comeback from the a
33:41
Speaker 1: c L in year two looking relatively good. You just
33:44
Speaker 1: said wise guys are starting to hit the Giants. What
33:47
Speaker 1: is the logic there? The fools they just get sucked
33:50
Speaker 1: in every year. They just every year. They're just like
33:52
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones will improve. The kids. Got the body type,
33:55
Speaker 1: he's got the brains. We've seen him have these moments
33:57
Speaker 1: of greatness and I just always say him, this kid.
34:00
Speaker 1: As soon as the lights get turned on again, he
34:02
Speaker 1: could have an amazing first or second quarter. You know
34:05
Speaker 1: that strip sack, fumble has come, you know that interceptions coming.
34:08
Speaker 1: It's just this kid is what he is, right Like
34:10
Speaker 1: in the NFL, they kind of just throw you in
34:12
Speaker 1: the deep end and see if you can swim, and
34:14
Speaker 1: if you can't swim, that's it. Like they just it's
34:17
Speaker 1: very rare that these these guys eventually figure it out,
34:20
Speaker 1: because no one really has the leash to figure it out.
34:23
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, I mean he's had the leash here, Like
34:25
Speaker 1: this is crazy. I really can't believe that this kids
34:27
Speaker 1: had all these opportunities and I just don't see it,
34:30
Speaker 1: like I get it. They brought in the new O C.
34:33
Speaker 1: I mean, I just it doesn't matter if you bring
34:35
Speaker 1: a new head coach, if the if the player doesn't
34:37
Speaker 1: have the mental makeup, it doesn't matter. So to me
34:41
Speaker 1: looking at this Giants team, I literally I had guys
34:43
Speaker 1: all weekend talking to me about the Giants team. I
34:45
Speaker 1: can't stand him, even when I look on paper, like yeah,
34:47
Speaker 1: it's fun. They have like some talent. They haven't drafted
34:50
Speaker 1: that great, Like sure they've signed players and try to
34:53
Speaker 1: make moves and see Kwon Barkley might look amazing, but
34:56
Speaker 1: to me, I just can't do it. I'm on their
34:58
Speaker 1: under seven a half wins. I'll take it all the
35:00
Speaker 1: way down to minus one five, minus one forty. I
35:03
Speaker 1: just it's a great number. As long as he's above seven,
35:05
Speaker 1: you're getting a really good value on a team that
35:07
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fighting for the fourth third spot in
35:09
Speaker 1: this division. So yeah, Like if you watch the other night,
35:15
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones are getting smashed. The old line is still
35:17
Speaker 1: an issue. Shane Lemu got hurt. I don't know how
35:21
Speaker 1: bad it is. But the one thing I always say
35:24
Speaker 1: about Daniel Jones two things. One is the old line
35:27
Speaker 1: has been terrible the whole time he's been there. Terrible,
35:31
Speaker 1: which is not good. And then number two, you know
35:33
Speaker 1: what's crazy about him, Chad. He's athletic, he has a
35:39
Speaker 1: good arm, he's smart, he's accurate. He's a great kid.
35:45
Speaker 1: He's not a great quarterback, Like like he checks every
35:48
Speaker 1: box except for making the plays in the games when
35:54
Speaker 1: they need to be made. Um, Look, he's gonna get
35:58
Speaker 1: a great opportunity this year or with Brian Dable and
36:01
Speaker 1: Mike Kafka. He seems like such a nice kid. I
36:05
Speaker 1: kind of hope it works out for him. The only
36:07
Speaker 1: saving grace I have for the Giants, and I think
36:09
Speaker 1: that this is the right number. I'm I I think
36:13
Speaker 1: I have some faith in Dable that I feel like
36:16
Speaker 1: they are a seven or eight win team. Kind of
36:19
Speaker 1: almost feel better about them than I do about Washington.
36:23
Speaker 1: They're both those teams are seven or eight win teams
36:25
Speaker 1: for me, which is why I like the under for
36:27
Speaker 1: Washington and why the Giants. I think the number is
36:30
Speaker 1: about right. If I had to, I probably take the under,
36:33
Speaker 1: but it's the it's the number I feel the I
36:37
Speaker 1: have the least amount of conviction for in the NFC
36:39
Speaker 1: East is the Giants seven and a half. Well, it
36:42
Speaker 1: is interesting, like if you're going to compare those two teams. Obviously,
36:46
Speaker 1: Simon just said a lot of betters are looking at
36:48
Speaker 1: the Giants over seven and a half as a smarter
36:52
Speaker 1: play or a trendier play than the Commanders. Uh, and
36:56
Speaker 1: they're total over eight and a half. Uh, thinking that
37:01
Speaker 1: the Giants have a better shot if there were two
37:03
Speaker 1: headhead matchups between these two teams, which there would be
37:06
Speaker 1: Giants likely to win both of those games. Uh. The
37:11
Speaker 1: last question I have for your Roscoe. I know you
37:12
Speaker 1: gotta get going. Uh. You get a quarterback like Daniel
37:17
Speaker 1: Jones has got everything, but he can't be a great
37:20
Speaker 1: quarterback as an offensive lineman. What does that do to
37:24
Speaker 1: your mindset every time you're dropping into past protection. I
37:29
Speaker 1: had a lot of different quarterbacks. Here's how I would
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Speaker 1: describe it. When I played in New England. We knew
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Speaker 1: we were gonna win because we had Tom Brady. So
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Speaker 1: it's fourth quarter of a game, too close game. We
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Speaker 1: knew we were gonna win. Now, a couple of times
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Speaker 1: we didn't. But in the minds it was we knew
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Speaker 1: we were gonna win when I had a good quarterback
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Speaker 1: like Bled, so we thought we were gonna win, like
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Speaker 1: we were like, we got led so too minute drill,
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Speaker 1: he's got this, We're gonna win. When you have a
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Speaker 1: guy like Daniel Jones, those guys are all still just
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Speaker 1: kind of hoping, you know, they're hoping this guy can
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Speaker 1: pull it off. They don't know he's gonna pull it off.
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Speaker 1: They're not even necessarily confident he's gonna get it done.
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Speaker 1: They're hoping. It's a big difference that that mindset. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how much of that's conscious how much of
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Speaker 1: that subconscious debate. It's one reason why I thought Bucks
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Speaker 1: would be so good when Brady went down there, I
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Speaker 1: thought the Patriots take a step back because all the
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Speaker 1: guys know in New England we don't have Brady anymore,
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Speaker 1: and all the guys in Tampa, no matter what the
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Speaker 1: score is, no matter what the situation is, when we
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Speaker 1: got Brady, we're gonna win. That. There's a lot of
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Speaker 1: value in that knowing, thinking, hoping. That is a great
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Speaker 1: way to describe the descending ladder when you are playing
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Speaker 1: in the NFL and when you are betting in the NFL.
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