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Turning Live Painting into profit with Lucy Mcloughlin · Wedding Pros who are ready to grow - with Becca Pountney

1:54
Finding
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something
1:55
that
1:55
really
1:56
suits
1:56
you
1:56
and
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then
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it
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all
1:57
just
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clicks.
1:58
And
1:58
so
1:58
in
1:58
my
1:58
case,
1:59
it
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really
1:59
felt
2:00
like
2:00
right
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from
2:00
the
2:01
start,
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yeah,
2:02
this
2:02
is
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me,
2:02
this
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is
2:03
what
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I
2:03
want
2:03
to
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do.
2:04
This
2:04
makes
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total
2:05
sense.
2:05
And
2:06
then
2:06
it's
2:06
amazing
2:07
when
2:07
you're
2:07
connecting
2:07
with
2:08
other
2:08
people
2:08
and
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they
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really
2:09
appreciate
2:09
it.
2:10
So
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you
2:10
get
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that
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immediate
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feedback.
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I'm
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Becca
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Poutney,
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wedding
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business
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marketing
2:15
expert,
2:16
speaker
2:16
and
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blogger,
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and
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you're
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listening
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to
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the
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Wedding
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Pros
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who
2:19
Are
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Ready
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to
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Grow
2:19
podcast.
2:21
I'm
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here
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to
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share
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with
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you
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actionable
2:22
tips,
2:23
strategies
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and
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real
2:24
life
2:24
examples
2:25
to
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help
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you
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take
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your
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wedding
2:26
business
2:26
to
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the
2:27
next
2:27
level.
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If
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you
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are
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an
2:28
ambitious
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wedding
2:29
business
2:30
owner
2:30
that
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wants
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to
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take
2:31
your
2:31
passion
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and
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use
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it
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to
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build
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a
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profitable,
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sustainable
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business
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doing
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what
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you
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love,
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then
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you're
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in
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the
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right
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place.
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Let's
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get
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going
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with
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today's
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episode.
2:39
Today
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I'm
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chatting
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with
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Lucy
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McLaughlin,
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otherwise
2:42
known
2:42
as
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the
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Live
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Event
2:43
Artist.
2:44
Based
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in
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Winchester,
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Lucy
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is
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one
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of
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the
2:46
few
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UK
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live
2:47
event
2:47
artists.
2:48
Lucy's
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work
2:49
has
2:49
taken
2:49
her
2:49
across
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the
2:50
world
2:50
and
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she's
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worked
2:51
with
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many
2:51
famous
2:51
faces,
2:52
iconic
2:52
brands,
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and
2:53
at
2:53
some
2:53
incredible
2:54
venues.
2:55
I
2:55
first
2:55
met
2:56
Lucy
2:56
when
2:56
she
2:56
came
2:56
along
2:57
to
2:57
our
2:57
wedding
2:57
business
2:58
retreat
2:58
and
2:58
she's
2:59
even
2:59
painted
2:59
me,
3:00
which
3:00
is
3:00
a
3:00
huge
3:01
honor.
3:01
I
3:01
know
3:01
you're
3:02
going
3:02
to
3:02
enjoy
3:02
hearing
3:03
more
3:03
about
3:03
her
3:03
story.
3:04
So,
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Lucy,
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welcome
3:05
to
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the
3:05
podcast.
3:06
Thank
3:06
you.
3:07
Very
3:07
excited.
3:08
I
3:08
love
3:08
that
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you
3:08
painted
3:09
me.
3:09
Let
3:09
me
3:09
just
3:10
start
3:10
there.
3:10
That
3:10
is
3:10
such
3:11
an
3:11
honor.
3:11
And
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it
3:12
probably
3:12
to
3:12
you
3:12
was
3:13
like,
3:13
oh,
3:13
it's
3:13
just
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an
3:13
easy
3:14
thing.
3:14
I
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do
3:14
it
3:14
all
3:14
of
3:14
the
3:15
time.
3:15
But
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when
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I
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received
3:16
that
3:16
picture
3:16
of
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me
3:16
and
3:16
Kelly
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in
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the
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post
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that
3:18
you
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did
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for
3:18
us
3:18
after
3:19
one
3:19
of
3:19
our
3:19
retreats,
3:20
still
3:20
up
3:20
in
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my
3:20
office.
3:21
I.
3:21
It
3:21
is
3:21
beautiful.
3:22
I
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just
3:22
love
3:22
that
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you
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can
3:23
share
3:23
your
3:23
craft.
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So
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thank
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you
3:25
again
3:25
so
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much
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for
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taking
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the
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time
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to
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do
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that.
3:27
That's
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so
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lovely
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to
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hear.
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Thank
3:29
you.
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Oh,
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it's.
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It's
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wonderful.
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If
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anyone
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gets
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the
3:31
opportunity
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to
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be
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painted
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by
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Lucy,
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I
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highly
3:34
recommend
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it
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because
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her
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style
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of
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painting
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means
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she
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just
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makes
3:37
you
3:37
look
3:37
absolutely
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stunning.
3:38
I
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love
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it.
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It's
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probably
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the
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best
3:40
photo
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of
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me
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that
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I've
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got
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because
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it's
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painted.
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I
3:42
love
3:42
it.
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Okay,
3:43
let's
3:43
get
3:43
into
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it
3:44
then.
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Lucy,
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before
3:44
we
3:45
go
3:45
into
3:46
anything,
3:46
what
3:47
I
3:47
love
3:47
to
3:47
do
3:47
with
3:47
my
3:48
guests
3:48
is
3:48
just
3:48
find
3:48
out
3:49
a
3:49
little
3:49
bit
3:49
more
3:49
about
3:50
their
3:50
background
3:50
because
3:51
I
3:51
think
3:52
tell
3:52
us
3:52
a
3:52
lot
3:53
about
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how
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we've
3:54
got
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to
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where
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we've
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got
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to.
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So
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take
3:56
me
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right
3:56
back.
3:57
How
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did
3:57
you
3:57
get
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into
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art
3:58
in
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the
3:59
first
3:59
place
4:00
and
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talk
4:00
us
4:00
through
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your
4:01
career?
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Oh,
4:03
well,
4:03
it's
4:03
I
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suppose
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one
4:04
of
4:04
those
4:04
cliches,
4:05
isn't
4:05
it?
4:05
From
4:06
the
4:06
age
4:06
of
4:06
nothing,
4:07
I
4:07
was
4:07
always
4:08
drawing
4:08
and
4:09
when
4:09
people
4:09
ask
4:09
me,
4:10
what
4:10
do
4:10
you
4:10
want
4:10
to
4:11
do
4:11
when
4:11
you're
4:11
old
4:12
and,
4:12
you
4:12
know,
4:12
big
4:12
and
4:13
grown
4:13
up?
4:14
And
4:14
I
4:14
was
4:14
always
4:14
like,
4:15
something
4:15
with
4:16
drawing
4:16
and
4:16
painting,
4:17
so
4:17
I
4:17
always
4:18
knew
4:18
that
4:18
I
4:18
always
4:19
wanted
4:19
to
4:19
go
4:19
to
4:20
art
4:20
college
4:21
and
4:22
then
4:22
I
4:22
did,
4:22
but
4:23
I
4:23
chose
4:23
tech
4:24
textile
4:24
design
4:25
because
4:25
I
4:25
wanted
4:26
to
4:26
draw
4:26
but
4:27
have
4:27
a
4:27
more
4:27
commercial
4:28
angle.
4:29
And
4:29
I
4:29
realized
4:30
that
4:30
by
4:30
painting
4:31
patterns,
4:31
you
4:32
can
4:32
still
4:32
paint,
4:32
but,
4:33
you
4:33
know,
4:33
you
4:34
can
4:34
actually
4:34
sell
4:34
your
4:34
work
4:35
more
4:35
easily.
4:36
So
4:37
it
4:37
was
4:37
a
4:37
more
4:37
practical
4:38
career
4:38
choice
4:39
and
4:40
that
4:40
was
4:40
great.
4:41
And
4:41
then
4:41
I
4:41
moved
4:42
to
4:42
the
4:42
UK
4:43
to
4:43
do
4:44
my
4:44
Masters
4:44
because
4:45
I'm
4:45
originally
4:45
from
4:46
the
4:46
Netherlands
4:47
and
4:47
had
4:48
a
4:48
great
4:48
time
4:49
and
4:49
just
4:49
fell
4:49
in
4:50
love
4:50
with
4:50
England
4:51
and
4:51
decided
4:51
to
4:52
stay.
4:53
So
4:53
I've
4:54
been
4:54
here
4:54
for
4:54
26
4:55
years
4:56
in
4:56
Winchester.
4:57
I've
4:57
never
4:57
moved
4:58
around,
4:58
always
4:58
Winchester.
5:00
And.
5:01
Yeah,
5:01
and
5:01
then
5:01
I
5:02
worked
5:02
for
5:02
many
5:02
years
5:03
as
5:03
a
5:03
designer
5:04
and
5:04
as
5:04
an
5:04
artist
5:05
and
5:06
doing
5:06
all
5:06
sorts
5:06
of
5:06
things,
5:07
but
5:07
I
5:07
really
5:07
wanted
5:08
to
5:08
go
5:08
back
5:08
to
5:09
drawing
5:09
and
5:09
painting.
5:10
And
5:11
then
5:11
I
5:11
had
5:11
this
5:11
amazing
5:12
opportunity
5:13
to
5:13
do
5:13
a
5:13
course
5:13
at
5:14
St
5:14
Martin's
5:15
in
5:15
London,
5:16
all
5:16
about
5:16
fashion
5:17
illustration.
5:18
And
5:18
that's
5:18
when
5:19
I
5:19
realized
5:19
this
5:20
is
5:20
really
5:20
what
5:20
I
5:21
want
5:21
to
5:21
do.
5:21
I
5:21
want
5:22
to
5:22
paint
5:22
people
5:23
because
5:23
I
5:23
love
5:23
clothes
5:24
and
5:24
my
5:24
mum
5:24
was
5:24
a
5:25
tailor,
5:25
so
5:25
there's
5:26
that
5:26
element,
5:27
it's
5:27
the
5:27
text
5:27
styles
5:28
again.
5:29
And,
5:30
yeah,
5:31
I
5:31
then
5:32
remembered
5:32
another
5:33
artist,
5:34
Kurt
5:34
Jackson,
5:35
who
5:36
paints
5:36
live
5:36
at
5:37
Glastonbury,
5:38
and
5:38
he's
5:38
phenomenal.
5:39
And
5:40
I
5:40
saw
5:40
him
5:40
interviewed
5:41
many
5:41
years
5:41
ago
5:42
at
5:43
Glastonbury
5:44
talking
5:44
about
5:44
his
5:44
work,
5:45
and
5:45
I
5:45
just
5:45
thought,
5:46
what
5:46
a
5:46
brilliant
5:47
idea.
5:47
You
5:48
know,
5:48
I
5:48
didn't
5:48
know
5:48
you
5:48
could
5:48
do
5:49
that.
5:49
So
5:50
then
5:50
I
5:50
researched
5:51
more
5:51
and
5:52
wrote
5:52
a
5:52
business
5:52
plan
5:52
and
5:53
launched
5:53
myself
5:54
as
5:54
a
5:54
live
5:54
event
5:55
artist.
5:56
And
5:56
it
5:56
just
5:56
took
5:57
off
5:57
from
5:57
day
5:57
one.
5:58
It
5:58
was
5:58
incredible.
5:58
Yeah,
5:59
well,
5:59
to
5:59
go
5:59
back
6:00
to
6:00
the
6:00
start,
6:00
because
6:00
I
6:01
think
6:01
a
6:01
lot
6:01
of
6:01
people
6:02
would
6:02
have
6:02
struggled
6:03
right
6:03
from
6:03
the
6:03
beginning,
6:04
because
6:05
sometimes
6:05
when
6:05
you're
6:06
young
6:06
and
6:06
you
6:06
love
6:07
something
6:07
and
6:07
you
6:07
say
6:07
to
6:08
your
6:08
parents,
6:08
I
6:09
want
6:09
to
6:09
be
6:09
an
6:09
artist,
6:10
or
6:10
I
6:10
want
6:10
to
6:10
work
6:11
in
6:11
TV
6:11
or
6:12
my
6:12
daughter
6:12
at
6:12
the
6:13
moment,
6:13
I
6:13
want
6:13
to
6:13
play
6:13
for
6:14
Arsenal
6:14
one
6:14
day,
6:14
I
6:14
want
6:14
to
6:14
be
6:15
a
6:15
professional
6:15
footballer.
6:16
There's
6:16
two
6:16
types
6:16
of
6:16
people
6:17
in
6:17
this
6:17
world.
6:17
There's
6:17
the
6:18
parents
6:18
and
6:18
the
6:18
people
6:18
around
6:19
you
6:19
that
6:19
go,
6:19
well,
6:20
that's
6:20
never
6:20
going
6:20
to
6:20
happen,
6:20
so
6:21
think
6:21
again.
6:22
And
6:22
then
6:22
there's
6:23
the
6:23
other
6:23
kind
6:23
of
6:23
people
6:23
who
6:24
are
6:24
like,
6:24
go
6:24
on
6:24
then,
6:24
go
6:25
for
6:25
it.
6:25
I'd
6:25
love
6:25
to
6:25
know
6:26
what
6:26
was
6:26
your
6:27
experience?
6:27
Did
6:28
people
6:28
say,
6:28
that's
6:28
never
6:29
going
6:29
to
6:29
happen,
6:29
or
6:29
do
6:29
People
6:30
encourage
6:30
you
6:30
to
6:30
go
6:31
down
6:31
that
6:31
route.
6:31
I
6:32
was
6:32
very
6:32
lucky.
6:32
So
6:33
my
6:33
parents
6:33
were
6:34
very
6:34
encouraging.
6:35
So
6:36
my
6:36
mum
6:36
was
6:36
a
6:37
very
6:38
creative,
6:38
colorful,
6:39
slightly
6:39
crazy
6:40
person
6:41
who,
6:42
you
6:42
know,
6:42
as
6:42
long
6:42
as
6:42
it
6:42
was
6:43
different
6:43
then
6:44
she
6:44
loved
6:44
it,
6:44
you
6:44
know,
6:45
so
6:45
she
6:45
was
6:45
always
6:46
supportive.
6:46
And
6:47
my
6:47
dad
6:48
also
6:48
was
6:48
also
6:49
very
6:49
supportive,
6:50
but
6:50
he
6:50
was
6:50
a
6:50
little
6:51
bit
6:51
more
6:51
grounded
6:52
and
6:52
a
6:52
bit
6:52
more
6:52
practical.
6:53
Now
6:54
my
6:54
parents
6:54
both
6:55
ran
6:55
their
6:55
own
6:55
businesses,
6:56
so
6:56
there's
6:57
always
6:57
been
6:57
that
6:57
practical
6:58
approach
6:59
and
7:00
you
7:00
know,
7:00
the
7:00
slight
7:01
of
7:01
commercial
7:02
angle.
7:02
So
7:03
my
7:03
dad
7:04
always
7:04
said,
7:05
of
7:05
course
7:05
you
7:05
can
7:05
be
7:06
an
7:06
artist,
7:06
but
7:07
you're
7:07
going
7:07
to
7:07
be
7:07
a
7:07
normal
7:08
person
7:08
first,
7:09
so
7:09
be
7:10
normal
7:10
first
7:10
and
7:11
then
7:11
do
7:11
your
7:11
art.
7:12
So
7:12
he
7:12
just
7:12
wanted
7:13
me
7:13
to
7:13
be
7:13
grounded
7:14
and
7:14
not
7:15
go
7:15
off
7:16
in
7:17
some
7:17
crazy,
7:18
you
7:18
know.
7:19
Yeah,
7:20
so
7:20
that
7:21
was
7:21
brilliant
7:21
having
7:22
their
7:22
support
7:23
and
7:25
that
7:25
was
7:25
literally
7:26
from
7:26
when
7:26
I
7:26
was
7:27
little
7:27
and
7:27
they
7:27
were
7:27
always
7:28
buying
7:28
me
7:28
art
7:28
materials
7:29
and
7:31
yeah,
7:31
encouraging
7:32
me
7:32
to
7:32
go
7:33
on
7:33
courses
7:34
and
7:34
to
7:34
go
7:34
to
7:35
art
7:35
college
7:35
and
7:36
yeah,
7:36
I
7:36
couldn't
7:36
have
7:37
asked
7:37
for
7:37
more.
7:37
And
7:38
of
7:38
course
7:38
my
7:38
mum,
7:39
with
7:39
her
7:39
background
7:40
in
7:41
tailoring
7:42
and
7:42
fashion,
7:43
she
7:43
had
7:43
a
7:43
huge
7:44
studio
7:45
at
7:45
home.
7:46
So
7:46
there
7:46
was
7:47
always
7:47
creativity
7:48
around
7:48
me.
7:49
And
7:49
my
7:49
dad
7:49
was
7:49
a
7:49
hairdresser
7:50
and
7:50
we
7:50
lived
7:51
above
7:51
the
7:51
salon.
7:52
So
7:52
it's
7:52
always
7:52
people
7:53
coming
7:53
and
7:53
going
7:54
and
7:54
it's
7:54
just
7:55
very
7:55
lively
7:55
and
7:56
very
7:56
creative
7:57
and
7:57
very
7:57
sociable
7:58
and
7:58
really
7:59
fun.
7:59
Sounds
7:59
like
7:59
a
8:00
great
8:00
atmosphere
8:01
to
8:01
grow
8:01
up
8:01
in.
8:02
I
8:02
think
8:02
it's
8:02
really
8:03
important
8:03
and
8:03
I
8:03
think
8:03
as
8:04
the
8:04
older
8:04
I
8:04
get,
8:04
the
8:04
more
8:05
I
8:05
reflect
8:05
back
8:06
on
8:06
the
8:06
impact
8:07
that
8:07
my
8:07
parents
8:07
had.
8:08
So
8:08
many
8:08
people
8:08
I
8:08
speak
8:09
to
8:09
who
8:09
are
8:09
self
8:09
employed
8:10
had
8:10
at
8:10
least
8:10
one
8:10
parent
8:11
who
8:11
was
8:11
self
8:11
employed
8:12
and
8:12
I
8:12
think
8:12
therefore
8:13
they
8:13
champion
8:13
people
8:14
rather
8:14
than
8:14
put
8:14
them
8:14
down.
8:15
But
8:15
if
8:15
we're
8:15
parents
8:16
ourselves,
8:16
which
8:16
both
8:17
of
8:17
us
8:17
are,
8:17
I
8:17
think
8:17
it
8:17
is
8:17
important
8:18
for
8:18
us
8:18
to
8:18
reflect
8:19
the
8:19
other
8:19
way
8:19
as
8:19
well
8:19
on
8:20
the
8:20
impact
8:20
we're
8:20
having
8:20
on
8:21
our
8:21
children.
8:21
Because
8:21
even
8:22
now
8:22
I
8:22
hear
8:22
parents
8:23
say
8:23
to
8:23
their
8:23
children
8:23
who
8:24
are
8:24
seven
8:24
or
8:24
eight,
8:24
oh,
8:24
that's
8:25
never
8:25
going
8:25
to
8:25
happen.
8:25
If
8:25
they've
8:25
got
8:26
dreams,
8:26
they
8:26
put
8:27
their
8:27
dreams
8:27
down.
8:27
And
8:27
I
8:27
think
8:28
not
8:28
put
8:28
people's
8:29
dreams
8:29
down
8:30
yet,
8:30
like
8:30
the
8:31
world's
8:31
their
8:31
oyster.
8:31
Let's.
8:32
Let's
8:32
let
8:32
them
8:32
go
8:33
out
8:33
there
8:33
and
8:33
explore.
8:34
And
8:34
I'm
8:34
sure
8:34
you're
8:35
thankful
8:35
that
8:35
your
8:35
parents
8:35
did
8:36
do
8:36
that
8:36
because
8:36
otherwise
8:37
you'd
8:37
never
8:37
have
8:37
got
8:38
to
8:38
where
8:38
you've
8:38
got
8:38
to
8:39
today.
8:39
Yeah,
8:40
I
8:40
think
8:40
it's
8:40
really
8:40
important
8:41
to
8:41
be
8:41
yourself.
8:42
So,
8:42
you
8:42
know,
8:42
I've
8:43
got
8:43
three
8:43
boys
8:44
and
8:44
my
8:45
main
8:45
concern
8:45
is
8:46
I
8:46
want
8:46
them
8:46
to
8:46
be
8:46
happy
8:47
within
8:47
themselves
8:48
and
8:48
find
8:48
out
8:49
who
8:49
they
8:49
are
8:50
as
8:50
a
8:50
person
8:51
and
8:51
then
8:51
find
8:52
your
8:52
passion
8:52
and
8:52
the
8:53
rest
8:53
will
8:53
Follow.
8:55
I
8:55
very
8:55
much
8:56
believe
8:56
in
8:56
that.
8:57
So
8:57
you
8:57
talked
8:57
about
8:57
going
8:58
to
8:58
Glastonbury,
8:58
seeing
8:59
this
8:59
live
8:59
event
8:59
artist
9:00
and
9:00
then
9:00
thinking,
9:00
yeah,
9:00
I
9:01
could
9:01
do
9:01
that
9:01
too.
9:02
And
9:02
then
9:02
you
9:02
kind
9:02
of
9:02
made
9:03
that
9:03
bit
9:03
sound
9:03
really
9:03
easy.
9:04
You
9:04
went,
9:04
so
9:04
I
9:04
decided
9:05
to
9:05
just
9:05
set
9:05
up
9:05
my
9:05
business
9:06
as
9:06
a
9:06
live
9:06
event
9:06
artist.
9:07
Let's
9:07
go
9:07
into
9:07
that
9:08
in
9:08
a
9:08
bit
9:08
more
9:08
detail
9:09
because
9:09
we
9:09
know
9:09
it's
9:09
never
9:10
quite
9:10
that
9:10
simple.
9:11
What
9:11
practical
9:12
steps
9:13
did
9:13
you
9:13
take?
9:13
Did
9:13
you
9:14
have
9:14
another
9:14
job
9:14
at
9:14
the
9:15
time?
9:15
Were
9:15
you
9:15
not
9:16
working
9:16
so
9:16
you
9:16
could
9:16
start
9:17
the
9:17
business?
9:17
Because
9:18
it
9:18
is
9:18
quite
9:18
a
9:18
big
9:18
step
9:19
to
9:19
suddenly
9:19
go,
9:20
I'm
9:20
going
9:20
to
9:20
go
9:20
out
9:20
on
9:20
my
9:21
own.
9:21
So
9:21
I've
9:22
always
9:22
been
9:22
self
9:22
employed.
9:23
So
9:23
I
9:23
set
9:24
up
9:24
my
9:24
business
9:24
in
9:24
2000
9:25
as
9:26
a
9:26
graduate
9:27
and
9:27
that
9:27
was
9:27
the
9:28
toughest
9:28
time
9:29
in
9:29
my
9:29
life,
9:29
I
9:29
would
9:30
say,
9:30
because,
9:30
you
9:31
know,
9:31
it
9:31
was
9:31
really
9:32
difficult
9:32
to
9:33
earn
9:33
money.
9:33
And
9:34
also
9:34
remember
9:34
I
9:35
was
9:35
living
9:35
in
9:35
a
9:36
foreign
9:36
country,
9:36
I'd
9:37
only
9:37
been
9:37
here
9:38
15
9:39
months
9:39
or
9:39
so.
9:41
So
9:41
to
9:41
set
9:41
up
9:42
a
9:42
business,
9:42
you
9:43
don't
9:43
have
9:43
the
9:43
connections,
9:44
you
9:44
don't
9:44
have
9:44
the
9:44
contacts.
9:45
Back
9:46
then,
9:46
the
9:47
Internet
9:47
wasn't
9:47
really
9:48
what
9:48
it
9:48
is
9:48
now.
9:49
So
9:49
I
9:49
really
9:50
had
9:50
to
9:50
start
9:50
from
9:50
scratch.
9:51
So
9:51
I
9:51
would
9:51
say
9:51
that
9:52
was
9:52
the
9:53
hardest
9:53
part
9:54
way
9:54
back
9:54
in
9:54
2000.
9:56
So
9:56
by
9:56
the
9:56
time
9:57
I
9:57
decided
9:58
I
9:58
wanted
9:58
to
9:58
become
9:58
a
9:58
live
9:59
event
9:59
artist,
9:59
I
10:00
already
10:00
had
10:00
a
10:01
lot
10:01
of
10:01
experience
10:02
being
10:02
self
10:03
employed
10:03
and
10:03
running
10:03
a
10:04
business.
10:04
But
10:05
my
10:05
children
10:06
at
10:06
the
10:06
time
10:06
were
10:06
really
10:07
small,
10:07
so
10:07
the
10:07
youngest
10:08
was
10:08
only
10:08
one
10:09
and
10:09
I
10:10
was
10:10
working
10:10
part
10:11
time
10:11
as
10:12
an
10:12
art
10:12
lecturer,
10:13
which
10:14
was
10:14
great
10:15
because
10:15
it
10:15
meant
10:15
I
10:16
was
10:16
in
10:16
a
10:16
creative
10:16
environment.
10:17
I
10:17
was
10:18
still
10:18
working,
10:19
but
10:19
I
10:19
was
10:20
there
10:20
for
10:20
the
10:20
children
10:21
as
10:21
well
10:21
because
10:21
at
10:21
that
10:22
point
10:22
my
10:22
husband
10:23
was
10:23
only
10:23
home
10:23
weekends.
10:24
You
10:24
know,
10:24
it
10:25
was
10:25
full
10:25
on,
10:25
as
10:26
I'm
10:26
sure
10:26
a
10:26
lot
10:26
of
10:26
parents
10:27
know,
10:27
it
10:28
is
10:28
pretty
10:28
full
10:28
on
10:30
broken
10:30
nights
10:30
and
10:31
all
10:31
that.
10:32
So
10:32
I
10:33
just
10:33
had
10:33
this
10:33
thing.
10:34
I
10:34
was
10:34
38
10:35
at
10:35
the
10:35
time
10:35
and
10:36
I
10:36
realized
10:37
actually
10:37
I'm
10:37
nearly
10:38
39.
10:38
So
10:38
really
10:39
in
10:39
a
10:39
year's
10:40
time
10:40
I'll
10:40
be
10:40
40.
10:41
And
10:41
by
10:41
then
10:42
I
10:42
want
10:42
to
10:43
be
10:43
painting.
10:43
I
10:44
want
10:44
to
10:44
at
10:44
least
10:44
have
10:44
a
10:45
website
10:45
up
10:45
and
10:45
running
10:46
that
10:46
shows
10:47
my
10:47
work
10:47
and
10:48
show
10:48
the
10:48
world,
10:49
look,
10:49
I'm
10:50
an
10:50
artist.
10:51
So
10:51
that
10:51
was
10:52
my
10:52
sort
10:53
of
10:53
drive
10:53
behind
10:54
it
10:54
all
10:54
is
10:55
to
10:55
have
10:55
a
10:55
website
10:56
up
10:56
by
10:56
the
10:56
time
10:57
I'm
10:57
40,
10:57
because
10:57
I
10:57
thought,
10:58
well,
10:58
if
10:58
I
10:58
don't
10:58
do
10:58
it,
10:59
then
10:59
when
10:59
on
11:00
earth
11:00
am
11:00
I
11:00
going
11:01
to
11:01
do
11:01
it?
11:01
You
11:01
know,
11:01
you're
11:02
just
11:02
going
11:02
to
11:02
be
11:02
putting
11:02
it
11:02
off
11:03
for
11:03
the
11:03
rest
11:03
of
11:03
your
11:03
life.
11:04
So
11:06
I
11:06
realized
11:07
I
11:07
needed
11:07
to
11:07
write
11:07
a
11:08
business
11:08
plan,
11:08
which
11:09
I
11:09
did
11:09
way
11:09
back
11:09
in
11:10
2000
11:10
as
11:11
well.
11:11
But
11:11
that
11:11
was
11:11
for
11:12
you
11:12
know
11:12
more
11:12
as
11:13
a
11:13
designer.
11:14
So
11:14
this
11:15
was
11:15
a
11:15
brand
11:15
new
11:16
idea
11:17
for
11:17
me.
11:18
So
11:18
I
11:18
researched
11:19
all
11:19
that
11:20
and
11:20
I
11:20
wrote
11:21
the
11:21
business
11:21
plan
11:22
and
11:23
I
11:24
started
11:24
with
11:24
the
11:25
website.
11:26
And
11:27
I
11:27
also
11:27
realized
11:28
then
11:28
that
11:29
I
11:29
can't
11:29
be
11:29
working
11:30
part
11:30
time
11:31
and
11:31
putting
11:31
the
11:32
energy
11:32
I
11:32
have
11:33
into
11:33
anything
11:33
else.
11:34
I
11:34
need
11:34
to
11:34
fully
11:35
focus
11:35
on
11:36
this.
11:36
And
11:37
to
11:37
me,
11:37
it
11:37
didn't
11:38
seem
11:38
like
11:38
a
11:39
gamble
11:39
at
11:39
all.
11:39
It
11:40
was
11:40
just
11:40
very
11:41
clear
11:41
to
11:41
me
11:41
this
11:42
is
11:42
what
11:42
I
11:42
want
11:42
to
11:42
do.
11:43
And
11:44
it
11:44
really,
11:44
really
11:45
helps
11:45
if
11:46
you
11:46
have
11:46
a
11:46
very
11:46
clear
11:47
focus.
11:47
If
11:48
you're
11:48
not
11:48
so
11:48
sure
11:48
about
11:49
what
11:49
you're
11:49
doing,
11:50
that's
11:50
much
11:50
more
11:50
difficult.
11:51
But
11:52
if
11:52
you
11:52
have
11:52
very
11:53
clear
11:53
vision,
11:54
this
11:54
is
11:54
what
11:54
I
11:54
want
11:55
to
11:55
do,
11:55
then
11:56
actually
11:56
it's.
11:57
I
11:57
don't
11:57
find
11:57
it
11:57
that
11:58
difficult
11:58
because
11:58
you
11:59
just
11:59
get
11:59
on
11:59
with
11:59
it
11:59
and
12:00
you
12:00
do
12:00
it.
12:00
It's
12:01
so
12:01
true.
12:01
I
12:01
think
12:01
sometimes
12:02
when
12:02
we
12:02
try
12:02
and
12:02
just
12:03
put
12:03
one
12:03
foot
12:03
in
12:04
to
12:04
a
12:04
business,
12:04
when
12:04
we
12:05
try
12:05
and
12:05
just
12:05
do
12:05
a
12:05
little
12:06
bit
12:06
whilst
12:06
doing
12:06
something
12:06
else
12:07
and
12:07
we
12:07
have
12:08
that
12:08
mindset
12:08
of,
12:08
well,
12:08
when
12:09
the
12:09
business
12:09
gets
12:09
bigger,
12:10
then
12:10
I'll
12:10
stop
12:10
the
12:10
other
12:10
thing,
12:11
actually
12:11
we
12:11
end
12:11
up
12:12
just
12:12
doing
12:12
everything
12:12
badly
12:13
because
12:13
we
12:13
just
12:14
don't
12:14
have
12:14
that
12:14
time
12:14
and
12:14
focus.
12:15
So
12:15
I
12:15
totally
12:15
agree
12:16
with
12:16
you.
12:16
Okay,
12:17
let's
12:17
just
12:18
talk
12:18
about
12:18
being
12:18
a
12:19
live
12:19
event
12:19
artist
12:19
because
12:20
there'll
12:20
be
12:20
some
12:20
people
12:20
listening
12:21
even
12:21
now
12:21
that
12:22
think
12:22
I
12:22
don't
12:22
even
12:22
know
12:22
what
12:23
that
12:23
is
12:23
and
12:23
what
12:23
it's
12:23
got
12:24
to
12:24
do
12:24
with
12:24
weddings
12:24
in
12:25
the
12:25
first
12:25
place.
12:25
So
12:26
just
12:26
give
12:26
us
12:27
an
12:27
example
12:27
of
12:28
the
12:28
kind
12:28
of
12:28
work
12:29
that
12:29
you
12:29
do
12:29
and
12:30
if
12:30
someone
12:30
has
12:30
never
12:31
heard
12:31
of
12:31
this
12:31
before,
12:32
what
12:32
is
12:32
a
12:32
live
12:33
event
12:33
artist?
12:33
It's
12:34
basically
12:34
a
12:35
dream
12:35
job.
12:36
Well,
12:36
it
12:36
is
12:37
for
12:37
me.
12:38
So
12:38
as
12:38
a
12:39
live
12:39
event
12:39
artist,
12:40
I
12:40
go
12:40
to
12:40
weddings,
12:41
but
12:41
I
12:41
also
12:41
do
12:42
corporate
12:42
events
12:43
and
12:43
celebrations,
12:44
parties,
12:45
and
12:45
I,
12:45
I
12:46
have
12:46
my
12:46
easel
12:47
there
12:47
and
12:47
all
12:48
my
12:48
art
12:48
materials
12:49
and
12:49
I
12:49
paint
12:50
there
12:50
live
12:51
on
12:51
the
12:51
spot
12:52
in
12:52
front
12:53
of
12:53
everybody,
12:54
literally
12:54
guests
12:55
breathing
12:55
down
12:55
my
12:56
neck,
12:56
watching
12:57
what
12:57
I'm
12:57
doing
12:57
and
12:58
talking
12:58
to
12:58
me.
12:59
So
12:59
I
12:59
love
13:00
that
13:00
environment
13:01
because
13:01
it's
13:01
very
13:01
lively
13:02
and
13:02
it's
13:03
very
13:03
inspiring.
13:04
And
13:04
it
13:04
also
13:04
means
13:05
you
13:05
just
13:05
have
13:05
to
13:06
get
13:06
on
13:06
with
13:06
it.
13:06
You
13:06
have
13:06
no
13:07
choice.
13:07
You
13:07
can't
13:07
just
13:08
walk
13:08
away
13:08
and
13:08
think,
13:08
oh,
13:09
that
13:09
didn't
13:09
go
13:09
so
13:09
well.
13:10
I'll
13:10
try
13:10
again
13:10
later.
13:11
You're
13:11
just
13:12
fully
13:12
focused
13:13
and
13:13
the
13:14
artwork
13:14
is
13:14
produced
13:15
live
13:15
on
13:15
the
13:16
day
13:16
and
13:17
it's
13:17
then
13:17
left
13:18
if
13:18
it's
13:18
a
13:18
wedding
13:19
with
13:19
the
13:19
couple.
13:20
So
13:20
in
13:20
my
13:20
case,
13:21
I
13:21
do
13:21
always
13:21
do
13:22
a
13:22
series
13:22
of.
13:22
Tend
13:23
to
13:23
do
13:23
a
13:23
series
13:23
of
13:24
paintings,
13:24
although
13:24
these
13:25
days
13:25
I
13:25
do
13:25
more
13:26
group
13:26
portraits
13:27
as
13:27
well.
13:28
So
13:28
in
13:28
my
13:29
case,
13:29
my
13:29
paintings
13:30
are
13:30
very
13:30
much
13:30
inspired
13:31
by
13:31
fashion.
13:31
Illustrations.
13:33
So
13:33
I
13:33
very
13:34
focus
13:34
on
13:34
the.
13:35
On
13:35
the
13:35
outfits
13:36
and
13:36
on
13:36
the
13:36
posture
13:37
and
13:38
people's
13:38
mannerisms.
13:39
And
13:39
I
13:40
don't
13:40
focus
13:40
on
13:41
facial
13:41
features,
13:42
for
13:42
to
13:42
me,
13:43
it's
13:43
all
13:43
the
13:43
other
13:44
elements
13:44
that
13:44
are
13:44
more
13:44
interesting,
13:45
and
13:45
that
13:46
way
13:46
it's
13:46
more
13:46
stylized
13:47
and
13:48
timeless.
13:49
So
13:50
that's
13:50
personally
13:50
how
13:51
I
13:51
work
13:51
now.
13:51
Other
13:52
live
13:52
artists,
13:53
they
13:53
might
13:53
paint
13:54
a
13:54
beautiful
13:55
canvas
13:55
and
13:55
they
13:56
might
13:56
do
13:56
a
13:56
whole
13:56
scene.
13:57
They
13:57
might
13:58
turn
13:58
up
13:58
early
13:58
and
13:59
paint
13:59
the
13:59
background
14:00
first.
14:00
And
14:00
then
14:00
when
14:01
the
14:01
couple
14:01
arrive
14:01
and
14:02
it's
14:02
a
14:02
ceremony,
14:02
then
14:03
they
14:03
paint
14:03
in
14:03
the
14:03
couple
14:04
into
14:04
that
14:05
painting.
14:06
So
14:06
that's
14:07
not
14:07
quite
14:07
how
14:08
I
14:08
work.
14:09
I
14:09
also
14:10
take
14:10
photographs
14:11
these
14:11
days
14:12
because
14:12
moments
14:13
happen
14:13
so
14:13
quickly
14:14
and
14:14
people
14:14
move
14:15
around
14:15
and
14:15
people
14:16
block
14:16
your
14:16
view.
14:17
So
14:18
I've
14:18
realized
14:19
that
14:19
I
14:19
much
14:19
prefer
14:20
to
14:20
take
14:20
some
14:20
short
14:20
videos
14:21
of
14:21
people.
14:21
People
14:21
I
14:22
like
14:22
catching
14:22
movement.
14:23
So
14:23
I'll
14:23
often
14:23
ask
14:24
them
14:24
to
14:24
walk
14:24
and
14:25
chat
14:25
and
14:25
be
14:25
natural
14:26
so
14:26
that
14:27
I
14:27
capture
14:27
that
14:28
energy.
14:28
And
14:29
that's
14:29
how
14:29
I
14:29
work,
14:30
taking
14:30
those
14:31
photographs.
14:31
Which
14:32
then
14:32
means
14:32
people
14:33
don't
14:33
have
14:33
to
14:33
pose
14:34
for
14:34
me
14:35
because
14:36
they
14:36
want
14:36
to
14:36
be
14:36
dancing
14:37
or
14:37
they
14:37
want
14:37
to
14:37
be
14:37
eating
14:38
or
14:38
they
14:38
want
14:38
to
14:38
be
14:38
talking
14:39
to
14:39
their
14:39
friends.
14:39
They
14:40
don't
14:40
necessarily
14:40
want
14:40
to
14:41
be
14:41
standing
14:41
there
14:42
with
14:42
me.
14:43
And
14:43
it
14:43
means
14:44
I
14:44
can
14:44
paint
14:45
throughout
14:45
the
14:45
day
14:46
into
14:46
the
14:46
evening,
14:47
and
14:47
I
14:47
do.
14:48
I'm
14:48
there
14:48
from
14:49
the
14:49
start
14:49
to
14:50
the
14:50
very
14:50
finish
14:50
because
14:50
there's
14:51
always
14:51
so
14:51
much
14:51
to
14:52
do.
14:52
But,
14:52
yeah,
14:52
every
14:53
artist
14:53
works
14:53
in
14:54
a
14:54
slightly
14:54
different
14:54
way,
14:55
so
14:55
that's
14:56
my
14:56
preferred
14:56
way
14:57
of
14:57
working.
14:58
I
14:58
think
14:58
it's
14:59
incredible
14:59
that
14:59
you
14:59
describe
15:00
it
15:00
as
15:00
a
15:00
dream
15:00
job,
15:01
because
15:01
for
15:01
me,
15:01
it
15:02
sounds
15:02
like
15:02
an
15:02
absolute
15:03
nightmare
15:03
of
15:03
a
15:03
job.
15:03
I
15:04
am
15:04
terrible
15:04
at
15:04
art.
15:05
My
15:05
drawing
15:05
is
15:05
terrible.
15:06
The
15:06
thought
15:06
of
15:06
drawing
15:07
someone
15:07
while
15:07
everyone
15:08
is
15:08
standing
15:08
around
15:09
watching
15:09
absolutely
15:10
terrifies
15:10
me.
15:11
But
15:11
that
15:11
means
15:12
that
15:12
you're
15:12
doing
15:12
something
15:13
that
15:13
you
15:13
love
15:13
if
15:14
you
15:14
find
15:14
it
15:14
that
15:14
enjoyable.
15:15
Yeah,
15:15
it's
15:15
about
15:16
finding,
15:17
obviously
15:17
your
15:17
passion
15:18
and
15:18
then
15:18
finding
15:18
something
15:19
that
15:19
really
15:19
suits
15:20
you,
15:20
and
15:20
then
15:20
it
15:20
all
15:21
just
15:21
clicks.
15:21
And
15:22
so
15:22
in
15:22
my
15:22
case,
15:22
it
15:23
really
15:23
felt
15:24
like
15:24
right
15:24
from
15:24
the
15:24
start,
15:25
yeah,
15:25
this
15:26
is
15:26
me.
15:26
This
15:26
is
15:27
what
15:27
I
15:27
want
15:27
to
15:27
do.
15:27
This
15:28
makes
15:28
total
15:28
sense.
15:29
And
15:29
then
15:30
it's
15:30
amazing
15:30
when
15:31
you're
15:31
connecting
15:31
with
15:31
other
15:32
people
15:32
and
15:32
they
15:32
really
15:33
appreciate
15:33
it.
15:33
So
15:34
you
15:34
get
15:34
that
15:34
immediate
15:35
feedback
15:36
which
15:36
most
15:36
artists,
15:37
if
15:37
you're
15:37
on
15:37
your
15:37
own,
15:38
working
15:38
in
15:38
a
15:38
studio
15:39
on
15:39
a
15:39
whole
15:40
body
15:40
of
15:40
work,
15:40
you
15:41
don't
15:41
get
15:41
that
15:42
feedback,
15:42
as
15:43
I
15:43
loved
15:43
that
15:44
buzz,
15:44
and
15:44
then
15:45
people
15:46
responding,
15:47
and
15:47
it's
15:47
very
15:47
energizing,
15:48
and
15:48
it's
15:49
really
15:49
inspiring,
15:49
and
15:50
it's
15:50
just
15:50
great
15:51
fun.
15:51
How
15:51
have
15:51
you
15:51
got
15:52
past
15:52
the
15:52
perfectionism
15:53
element?
15:53
Because
15:54
a
15:54
lot
15:54
of
15:54
us
15:54
in
15:54
the
15:54
creative
15:54
industry
15:55
are
15:55
very
15:55
perfectionists
15:56
And
15:57
I
15:57
imagine
15:57
if
15:57
you
15:57
did
15:57
take
15:58
that
15:58
piece
15:58
of
15:58
work
15:58
home
15:59
and
15:59
you
15:59
worked
15:59
on
15:59
it,
16:00
you
16:00
may
16:00
look
16:00
at
16:00
it
16:00
and
16:00
then
16:01
see
16:01
the
16:01
flaws
16:01
and
16:01
then
16:02
try
16:02
and
16:02
do
16:02
it
16:02
again.
16:03
But
16:03
in
16:03
that
16:03
environment,
16:04
presumably
16:04
you
16:04
can't
16:05
do
16:05
that.
16:05
You
16:05
don't
16:05
necessarily
16:06
have
16:06
the
16:06
time.
16:06
So
16:06
how
16:06
have
16:07
you
16:07
managed
16:07
to
16:08
push
16:08
past
16:08
some
16:09
of
16:09
that
16:09
perfectionist
16:10
mindset?
16:10
Yeah,
16:11
I
16:11
definitely
16:11
am
16:12
a
16:12
perfectionist
16:13
and
16:13
that's
16:13
why
16:13
this
16:14
works
16:14
so
16:14
well
16:14
for
16:15
me,
16:15
because
16:15
I
16:15
have
16:15
no
16:16
time,
16:16
because
16:16
the
16:16
next
16:16
painting
16:17
needs.
16:17
Needs
16:17
to
16:17
be
16:17
done,
16:18
or
16:18
the
16:18
next
16:18
person,
16:19
and
16:19
that
16:20
there's
16:20
that
16:20
time
16:21
pressure.
16:21
And
16:21
I
16:22
think
16:22
the
16:22
time
16:22
pressure
16:23
is
16:23
great
16:23
because
16:23
it
16:24
means
16:24
you
16:24
have
16:25
to
16:25
work
16:25
faster.
16:26
So
16:26
your
16:27
painting
16:27
style
16:27
is
16:28
a
16:28
bit
16:28
more
16:28
fluid
16:29
than
16:29
it
16:29
would
16:29
be
16:29
if
16:29
you
16:30
had
16:30
more
16:31
time.
16:31
So
16:31
you
16:31
really
16:31
have
16:32
to
16:32
loosen
16:32
up.
16:32
And
16:33
I
16:33
really
16:33
get
16:33
into
16:34
a
16:34
zone.
16:35
So
16:36
very
16:36
quickly,
16:37
I'm
16:37
just.
16:38
Yeah,
16:38
it's
16:38
like
16:39
super
16:39
focused
16:40
and
16:41
it's
16:41
incredible.
16:42
And
16:42
you
16:43
are
16:43
on
16:43
a
16:43
bit
16:43
of
16:43
a
16:43
high
16:44
and
16:44
then
16:45
for
16:45
hours.
16:45
So
16:45
it
16:45
is
16:46
quite
16:46
draining
16:47
ultimately
16:47
as
16:47
well,
16:48
because
16:48
you're
16:48
doing
16:48
these
16:48
long,
16:49
long
16:49
days,
16:49
but
16:49
you're
16:50
super
16:50
alert
16:51
and
16:51
you're.
16:51
You're
16:52
just,
16:52
yeah,
16:52
really
16:53
focused.
16:53
But
16:53
you
16:53
don't
16:54
have
16:54
time
16:55
to
16:55
go
16:55
back
16:55
to
16:56
paintings,
16:56
I
16:56
think,
16:57
oh,
16:57
not
16:57
sure
16:57
about
16:58
this
16:58
bit
16:58
or
16:58
that
16:58
bit.
16:58
So
16:59
he's.
16:59
I
16:59
think
16:59
it's
17:00
a
17:00
very
17:00
honest
17:00
way
17:01
of
17:01
painting.
17:02
And
17:02
I
17:02
think
17:03
that's
17:03
partly
17:04
the
17:04
charm
17:05
is
17:05
that,
17:05
no,
17:05
it's
17:06
not
17:06
a
17:06
perfect
17:07
photorealistic
17:09
painting
17:10
that's
17:10
taken
17:10
days
17:11
and
17:11
days
17:11
to
17:12
complete.
17:12
That's
17:12
just
17:13
a
17:13
different
17:13
style.
17:14
And
17:14
so
17:14
that's
17:15
what
17:15
I
17:15
like
17:15
about
17:15
it.
17:16
But,
17:16
yeah,
17:16
I'm
17:17
still.
17:17
I'm
17:18
so
17:18
critical
17:18
of
17:19
my
17:19
own
17:19
work.
17:20
I
17:20
think
17:20
a
17:20
lot
17:21
of
17:21
us
17:21
are.
17:21
And,
17:22
yeah,
17:22
you
17:22
look
17:22
back
17:23
and
17:23
you
17:23
think,
17:23
oh,
17:23
I
17:23
could
17:24
do
17:24
that
17:24
better.
17:24
But
17:25
I
17:25
think
17:25
that's
17:25
great
17:25
because
17:26
that
17:26
then
17:26
drives
17:27
you
17:27
to
17:27
keep
17:27
doing
17:28
it
17:28
and
17:28
keep
17:28
getting
17:29
better
17:29
and
17:29
keep
17:29
getting
17:30
quicker.
17:30
And
17:31
I
17:31
don't
17:32
think
17:32
we'll
17:32
ever
17:32
be
17:32
100
17:33
happy
17:33
with
17:34
what
17:34
we
17:34
do
17:34
because
17:34
we're
17:35
just
17:35
perfectionists.
17:36
And
17:36
in
17:36
the
17:36
moment,
17:37
the
17:37
people
17:37
who
17:37
are
17:38
receiving
17:38
the
17:38
painting
17:39
aren't
17:39
thinking
17:39
in
17:40
that
17:40
way
17:40
either.
17:40
They're
17:41
just
17:41
like,
17:41
wow,
17:41
this
17:41
is
17:42
amazing.
17:42
She's
17:42
created
17:43
this
17:43
in
17:43
this
17:43
amazing
17:44
time
17:44
frame.
17:44
They're
17:44
not
17:45
looking
17:45
and
17:45
thinking,
17:45
oh,
17:46
no.
17:46
And
17:46
as
17:46
I
17:46
said,
17:47
you
17:47
make
17:47
everyone
17:47
look
17:47
stunning.
17:48
That's
17:48
why
17:48
I
17:48
like
17:49
the
17:49
painting
17:49
that
17:49
you
17:49
did
17:50
so
17:50
much
17:50
of
17:51
me.
17:51
If
17:51
you
17:52
haven't
17:52
ever
17:52
seen
17:52
Lucy's
17:53
work,
17:53
I
17:53
do
17:53
recommend
17:54
going
17:54
and
17:54
checking
17:54
it
17:55
out.
17:55
You
17:55
can
17:55
find
17:55
it
17:55
on
17:56
her
17:56
Instagram.
17:56
I'll
17:56
make
17:56
sure
17:56
I
17:57
put
17:57
all
17:57
of
17:57
the
17:57
links
17:58
in
17:58
the
17:58
show.
17:58
Notes.
17:58
Sometimes
17:59
she
17:59
shares
17:59
things
17:59
on
17:59
LinkedIn
18:00
as
18:00
well.
18:00
But,
18:00
yeah,
18:01
and
18:01
go
18:01
to
18:01
her
18:01
website,
18:02
because
18:02
you
18:02
have
18:02
to
18:03
see
18:03
it
18:03
to
18:03
understand
18:04
it,
18:04
and
18:04
there's
18:04
so
18:04
many
18:05
different
18:05
variations
18:05
on
18:05
there.
18:06
So
18:06
at
18:07
this
18:07
moment,
18:07
while
18:07
you're
18:07
listening
18:08
to
18:08
us
18:08
talk,
18:08
go
18:08
and
18:09
have
18:09
a
18:09
look
18:09
at
18:09
some
18:09
of
18:09
her
18:09
work
18:10
so
18:10
you
18:10
can
18:10
visualize
18:10
it
18:11
as
18:11
well.
18:11
One
18:11
of
18:11
the
18:12
things
18:12
I
18:12
love
18:12
talking
18:12
to
18:12
people
18:13
about
18:13
is
18:14
how
18:14
they
18:14
got
18:14
some
18:14
of
18:15
their
18:15
first
18:15
clients.
18:16
Because
18:16
I
18:16
think
18:16
when
18:16
you're
18:16
in
18:17
business
18:17
or
18:17
starting
18:17
a
18:17
business,
18:18
it
18:18
can
18:19
feel
18:19
scary.
18:19
And
18:19
I
18:19
think
18:19
the
18:20
hardest
18:20
part
18:21
is
18:21
getting
18:21
the
18:21
first
18:21
clients.
18:22
And
18:22
we
18:22
can
18:22
talk
18:22
all
18:22
about
18:23
your
18:23
success
18:23
and
18:23
these
18:24
great
18:24
places
18:24
you've
18:25
worked,
18:25
but
18:26
it
18:26
doesn't
18:26
start
18:27
like
18:27
that
18:27
necessarily.
18:28
There
18:28
has
18:29
to
18:29
be
18:29
some
18:29
action
18:29
from
18:30
you
18:30
right
18:30
at
18:30
the
18:30
start
18:30
to
18:31
get
18:31
to
18:31
that
18:31
place.
18:32
So
18:32
do
18:32
you
18:32
remember
18:32
getting
18:33
your
18:33
first
18:33
live
18:33
event
18:34
work?
18:34
Do
18:34
you
18:34
remember
18:34
how
18:35
you
18:35
got
18:35
it?
18:35
Do
18:35
you
18:35
remember
18:35
where
18:36
it
18:36
came
18:36
from?
18:36
Yes,
18:37
of
18:37
course
18:37
I
18:37
do.
18:38
Yeah.
18:38
So
18:39
it
18:39
all
18:39
started
18:40
with
18:40
that
18:40
website,
18:40
the
18:41
idea
18:41
of
18:41
showcasing
18:42
the
18:42
variety
18:43
of
18:43
work
18:43
and
18:44
events
18:44
that
18:44
I
18:44
could
18:45
do.
18:45
So
18:46
I
18:46
realized,
18:46
oh,
18:46
I
18:46
need
18:47
a
18:47
wedding.
18:47
Oh,
18:47
I
18:47
need
18:48
something
18:48
to
18:48
do
18:48
with
18:49
music.
18:49
Oh,
18:49
I
18:49
need
18:50
a
18:50
celebration.
18:51
All
18:51
these
18:51
different
18:51
types,
18:52
a
18:52
corporate
18:52
event.
18:53
So
18:54
within
18:54
my
18:54
own
18:54
network,
18:55
I
18:55
was
18:55
just
18:55
asking
18:56
people,
18:56
is
18:57
anyone
18:57
getting
18:57
married
18:58
or
18:58
anyone.
18:58
And
18:59
that's
18:59
how
18:59
I
18:59
did
18:59
my
19:00
first
19:01
events.
19:01
The
19:02
very,
19:02
very
19:02
first
19:02
one
19:03
was
19:03
a
19:03
charity
19:04
dinner
19:04
in
19:05
Winchester,
19:05
where
19:06
I
19:06
live.
19:06
And
19:06
I
19:07
remember
19:07
vividly
19:08
going
19:08
there,
19:09
knowing.
19:10
You
19:10
know,
19:11
when
19:11
you
19:11
feel
19:11
like
19:11
you're
19:11
in
19:11
a
19:12
film
19:12
and
19:12
you're
19:12
sort
19:13
of
19:13
watching
19:13
yourself,
19:14
it's
19:14
like,
19:14
this
19:14
is
19:15
it.
19:15
You
19:15
know,
19:15
I'm
19:15
actually
19:16
doing
19:16
it
19:16
now.
19:17
And
19:17
of
19:17
course
19:17
I
19:18
was
19:18
nervous.
19:18
And
19:19
when
19:19
I
19:19
look
19:19
back
19:19
at
19:19
what
19:20
I
19:20
did,
19:20
you
19:20
know,
19:21
I'd
19:21
like
19:21
to
19:21
think
19:21
I'm
19:21
a
19:22
better
19:22
now
19:22
than
19:22
I
19:23
was
19:23
10
19:23
years
19:23
ago,
19:24
but
19:24
it's.
19:25
It
19:25
was
19:25
definitely
19:26
a
19:26
moment.
19:26
But
19:27
then
19:27
one
19:27
of
19:27
the
19:27
really
19:28
exciting
19:28
first
19:29
big
19:30
events,
19:31
I
19:32
needed
19:32
something
19:32
to
19:33
do
19:33
with
19:33
music.
19:34
And
19:34
I
19:34
thought,
19:34
oh,
19:35
I'll
19:35
just
19:35
ask
19:35
on
19:36
my
19:36
Facebook
19:37
if
19:38
anyone
19:38
I
19:38
know
19:39
is.
19:39
It
19:40
was
19:40
coming
19:40
up
19:40
to
19:40
Christmas,
19:41
if
19:42
anyone
19:42
was
19:43
maybe
19:43
organizing
19:44
some
19:44
sort
19:44
of
19:45
gig
19:45
or,
19:45
you
19:45
know,
19:46
something
19:46
that
19:46
I
19:46
could
19:46
attend
19:47
and
19:47
paint.
19:48
And
19:48
then
19:49
this
19:49
person
19:49
responded
19:50
and
19:50
I'd
19:51
forgotten
19:51
that,
19:52
that
19:53
we
19:53
were
19:53
friends
19:53
on
19:53
Facebook.
19:54
And
19:54
he
19:54
said,
19:54
oh,
19:55
yeah,
19:55
I'm
19:55
a.
19:55
I'm
19:56
a
19:56
producer
19:56
for
19:56
a
19:57
radio
19:57
show
19:57
and
19:58
we've
19:58
got
19:58
some
19:59
artists
19:59
coming
19:59
in
20:00
and
20:01
would
20:01
you
20:01
like
20:01
to
20:01
come?
20:02
I
20:02
thought,
20:02
yeah,
20:03
perfect.
20:04
Hadn't
20:04
realized
20:04
it
20:05
was
20:05
Dermot
20:05
O'Leary
20:06
on
20:06
Radio
20:06
2
20:07
with
20:07
the
20:07
BBC.
20:08
So
20:09
that
20:09
was
20:09
just
20:09
amazing.
20:10
I
20:10
was
20:10
quite
20:10
blown
20:11
away.
20:11
I
20:11
thought,
20:12
oh,
20:12
that.
20:12
That's
20:12
just
20:13
the
20:13
best.
20:13
And
20:14
yeah,
20:14
so
20:15
I
20:15
painted
20:16
Guy
20:16
Darvey
20:17
from
20:17
Elbow
20:18
and,
20:18
and
20:19
it
20:19
was
20:19
just
20:20
utterly
20:20
brilliant
20:20
because
20:21
I
20:21
was
20:21
in
20:21
the
20:22
studio,
20:23
which
20:23
is
20:24
small
20:24
and
20:24
very
20:25
intimate,
20:26
standing
20:27
next
20:27
to
20:27
Dermot
20:28
O'Leary
20:28
and
20:28
then
20:28
we
20:29
had
20:29
Guy
20:29
Garvey
20:30
singing
20:30
there
20:31
and
20:31
I
20:31
just
20:31
thought,
20:32
well,
20:32
does
20:32
it
20:33
get
20:33
much
20:33
better
20:33
than
20:34
this?
20:34
This
20:34
is
20:35
a
20:35
good
20:35
start.
20:36
Yeah,
20:36
that's
20:37
absolutely
20:37
a
20:37
great
20:38
start.
20:38
And
20:38
it
20:38
backs
20:38
up
20:39
so
20:39
much
20:39
of
20:39
what
20:39
I
20:40
talk
20:40
about
20:40
a
20:40
lot,
20:40
really,
20:41
which
20:41
is
20:41
about
20:42
connections
20:42
and
20:42
about
20:43
being
20:43
a
20:43
good
20:43
person
20:44
and
20:44
about
20:44
having
20:45
friends
20:45
from
20:45
years
20:46
ago.
20:46
I
20:46
often
20:46
talk
20:47
when
20:47
I
20:47
talk
20:47
about
20:48
connections
20:48
about
20:49
my
20:49
own
20:49
degree,
20:50
which
20:50
I
20:50
did
20:50
in
20:51
television,
20:51
and
20:52
how
20:52
all
20:52
of
20:52
those
20:52
friends
20:53
that
20:53
I
20:53
made
20:53
then
20:53
or
20:53
the
20:53
people
20:54
I
20:54
worked
20:54
with
20:54
along
20:54
the
20:54
way
20:55
that
20:55
I'm
20:55
still
20:55
connected
20:56
to
20:56
on
20:56
Facebook,
20:56
still
20:56
connect
20:57
to
20:57
on
20:57
LinkedIn.
20:58
We
20:58
still
20:58
see,
20:58
we
20:58
don't
20:59
talk
20:59
necessarily,
20:59
but
20:59
we
21:00
see
21:00
what's
21:00
going
21:00
on
21:00
in
21:00
each
21:00
other's
21:01
lives.
21:01
They're
21:02
now
21:02
working
21:02
in
21:02
some
21:03
really
21:03
top
21:03
high
21:04
powered
21:04
places
21:05
and
21:05
actually
21:06
sometimes
21:06
they
21:06
are
21:07
the
21:07
best
21:07
people
21:07
to
21:07
go
21:07
to
21:08
when
21:08
you're
21:08
looking
21:08
for
21:08
an
21:09
opportunity
21:09
because
21:09
you
21:10
just
21:10
never
21:10
quite
21:10
know.
21:11
So
21:11
I
21:11
love
21:11
that
21:11
story.
21:12
I
21:12
think
21:12
that's
21:12
a
21:12
great
21:12
place
21:12
to
21:13
start.
21:13
You
21:13
probably
21:13
thought,
21:14
right,
21:14
how
21:14
am
21:14
I
21:15
going
21:15
to
21:15
talk?
21:15
Stop
21:16
this.
21:16
Well,
21:17
I,
21:17
I
21:17
kind
21:17
of
21:18
did
21:18
because
21:18
that
21:19
inspired
21:19
me.
21:19
I
21:20
thought,
21:20
well,
21:20
that
21:21
means
21:21
anything
21:21
is
21:22
possible.
21:22
You
21:22
know,
21:22
I
21:23
haven't
21:23
even
21:23
properly
21:24
launched
21:24
myself
21:24
yet
21:25
and
21:25
here
21:25
I
21:26
am
21:26
at
21:26
the
21:26
BBC
21:27
having
21:27
a
21:28
great
21:28
time.
21:29
So
21:30
I
21:30
remember
21:31
again
21:31
lying
21:31
in
21:32
bed
21:32
thinking
21:32
about,
21:33
I'd
21:33
really
21:33
like
21:34
to
21:34
go
21:34
to
21:34
Royal
21:34
Ascot,
21:35
I
21:35
want
21:35
to
21:36
paint
21:36
in
21:36
the
21:36
Royal
21:36
Enclosure.
21:37
And
21:38
then
21:38
I
21:38
had
21:38
a
21:38
little,
21:39
you
21:39
know,
21:40
light
21:40
bulb
21:41
moment
21:41
and
21:41
I
21:41
thought,
21:41
thought,
21:42
I'll
21:42
send
21:42
them
21:42
some
21:42
of
21:43
my
21:43
paintings.
21:45
So
21:45
I
21:45
did.
21:45
I
21:46
specifically
21:46
painted
21:48
guests
21:49
with,
21:49
you
21:49
know,
21:49
wonderful
21:50
hats
21:50
and
21:50
outfits
21:51
and
21:51
posted
21:52
the
21:52
original
21:52
artwork
21:53
to
21:54
Ascot
21:56
to
21:56
a
21:56
contact
21:57
there,
21:57
which
21:58
I
21:58
got
21:58
through
21:58
another
21:59
contact.
21:59
You
21:59
know
21:59
what
22:00
it's
22:00
like.
22:00
And
22:01
yeah,
22:02
and
22:02
then
22:02
from
22:03
that
22:03
they
22:04
booked
22:04
me
22:04
and
22:05
they
22:06
didn't
22:06
just
22:06
book
22:06
me
22:06
for
22:07
one
22:07
or
22:07
two
22:07
days,
22:07
they
22:08
ended
22:08
up
22:08
booking
22:08
me
22:09
for
22:09
five
22:09
whole
22:09
days
22:10
in
22:10
the
22:10
Royal
22:11
enclosure.
22:12
And
22:12
that
22:12
was,
22:13
was
22:13
incredible.
22:14
It
22:14
was
22:14
great.
22:15
And
22:15
it
22:15
also
22:16
was
22:17
an
22:17
interesting
22:18
experience
22:18
because,
22:18
you
22:19
know,
22:19
you
22:19
have
22:19
to
22:19
then
22:19
say,
22:20
okay,
22:20
how
22:20
much
22:20
do
22:21
you
22:21
charge?
22:21
And
22:22
you
22:22
know,
22:22
you
22:22
mustn't
22:23
undersell
22:23
yourself
22:24
and
22:24
you
22:24
must
22:25
make
22:25
sure
22:25
that
22:25
you
22:25
charge
22:26
the
22:26
right
22:27
price
22:27
because
22:27
they
22:27
might
22:28
come
22:28
back
22:28
to
22:28
you
22:28
and
22:28
say,
22:28
oh,
22:28
we
22:29
like
22:29
you
22:29
again,
22:30
you
22:30
know,
22:30
another
22:31
time.
22:31
And
22:31
if
22:31
you've
22:32
not
22:32
charged
22:33
the
22:33
correct
22:33
fee,
22:33
you're
22:34
going
22:34
to
22:34
be
22:34
kicking
22:34
yourself.
22:35
So
22:36
I
22:36
made
22:36
sure
22:37
I
22:37
charged
22:38
a
22:38
decent
22:39
amount.
22:40
And
22:40
yeah,
22:41
it
22:41
was
22:41
great
22:41
because,
22:42
because
22:42
What
22:42
I
22:42
earned
22:42
in
22:43
that
22:43
week,
22:43
you
22:44
know,
22:44
compared
22:44
to
22:44
my
22:44
part
22:45
time
22:45
job
22:45
was
22:46
like,
22:46
well,
22:46
that
22:46
would
22:46
have
22:46
taken
22:47
me
22:47
months.
22:48
And
22:49
I
22:49
think
22:49
the
22:49
thing
22:49
is,
22:50
and
22:50
again,
22:50
you
22:50
make
22:50
it
22:50
sound
22:51
so
22:51
easy.
22:51
And
22:51
that's
22:51
what
22:51
I
22:52
love
22:52
about
22:52
you,
22:53
is
22:53
that
22:53
you're
22:53
an
22:53
action
22:54
taker.
22:54
And
22:55
often
22:55
people
22:55
think,
22:56
I'd
22:56
love
22:56
to
22:56
do
22:56
that
22:56
and
22:57
then
22:57
do
22:57
nothing
22:57
about
22:58
it.
22:58
Whereas
22:59
actually
22:59
thinking,
23:00
I'd
23:00
love
23:00
to
23:00
do
23:00
that
23:01
and
23:01
then
23:01
actually
23:02
thinking
23:02
about,
23:02
okay,
23:03
well,
23:03
how
23:03
can
23:03
I
23:03
do
23:04
that?
23:04
How
23:04
could
23:04
I
23:04
do
23:05
something
23:05
proactive?
23:05
How
23:06
can
23:06
I
23:06
get
23:06
in
23:06
front
23:06
of
23:06
them?
23:07
It
23:07
kind
23:07
of
23:07
all
23:07
comes
23:08
back
23:08
to
23:08
what
23:08
we
23:08
were
23:08
talking
23:08
about
23:08
earlier
23:09
about
23:09
that
23:09
focus.
23:10
When
23:10
you
23:10
have
23:10
a
23:10
focus,
23:11
you
23:11
think,
23:11
this
23:11
is
23:11
where
23:12
I
23:12
want
23:12
to
23:12
get
23:12
to,
23:13
how
23:13
can
23:13
I
23:13
get
23:13
there?
23:14
You'll
23:14
often
23:15
take
23:15
the
23:15
steps
23:15
that
23:16
it
23:16
takes
23:16
to
23:16
get
23:16
there.
23:16
It
23:17
doesn't
23:17
happen
23:17
overnight.
23:17
It's
23:18
not
23:18
magic.
23:18
It's
23:18
not
23:19
magic
23:19
that
23:19
suddenly
23:20
you
23:20
get
23:20
booked
23:20
for
23:20
Ascot.
23:21
It's
23:21
down
23:21
to
23:22
your
23:22
tenacity
23:23
and
23:23
your
23:23
hard
23:23
work.
23:24
And
23:24
I
23:24
think
23:24
a
23:25
lot
23:25
of
23:25
people
23:25
are
23:25
scared
23:26
about
23:26
doing
23:26
that
23:26
because
23:27
they're
23:27
scared
23:27
of
23:27
rejection.
23:28
So
23:28
how
23:28
have
23:28
you
23:29
overcome
23:30
that
23:30
fear
23:30
of
23:30
like,
23:30
what
23:31
if
23:31
I
23:31
send
23:31
them
23:31
that
23:32
and
23:32
nothing
23:32
happens?
23:33
Well,
23:33
basically
23:34
you
23:34
have
23:35
to
23:35
learn
23:35
to
23:35
deal
23:36
with
23:36
rejection
23:36
a
23:37
lot.
23:37
And
23:37
I
23:38
feel
23:38
like
23:38
it's
23:38
almost
23:39
like
23:39
I'm
23:39
going
23:39
for
23:39
job
23:40
interviews
23:40
all
23:40
the
23:41
time
23:41
because
23:41
every
23:42
time
23:42
there's
23:42
a
23:42
new
23:42
project.
23:43
I
23:43
had
23:43
an
23:43
amazing
23:44
meeting
23:44
yesterday,
23:45
went
23:45
well,
23:45
and
23:46
it's
23:46
a
23:46
super
23:46
exciting
23:47
project
23:47
for
23:48
this
23:48
summer.
23:48
I'm
23:49
really
23:49
keeping
23:49
my
23:49
fingers
23:50
crossed.
23:50
It's
23:50
looking
23:51
very
23:51
promising.
23:52
But
23:52
of
23:52
course
23:52
I've
23:53
had
23:53
many
23:53
disappointments
23:54
as
23:55
well.
23:55
And
23:56
it
23:56
doesn't
23:56
matter
23:57
how
23:57
well
23:58
you're
23:58
doing
23:58
or,
23:59
you
23:59
know,
24:00
yeah,
24:01
it
24:02
just
24:02
happens
24:03
where
24:03
you're
24:03
not
24:04
going
24:04
to
24:04
get
24:04
the
24:04
job
24:05
that
24:05
you
24:05
want
24:05
and
24:06
it's
24:06
really
24:06
disappointing.
24:07
And
24:07
also
24:08
working
24:08
on
24:08
your
24:09
own,
24:09
you're
24:09
not
24:09
in
24:10
a
24:10
team,
24:10
so
24:11
you
24:11
can't
24:11
have
24:11
a
24:12
chat
24:12
with
24:12
your
24:12
colleagues
24:13
who'll
24:13
say,
24:13
oh,
24:14
come
24:14
on,
24:14
you
24:14
did
24:15
well,
24:15
you
24:15
know,
24:15
next
24:16
time
24:16
better.
24:16
You
24:16
have
24:17
to
24:17
be
24:17
your
24:18
own
24:18
cheerleader
24:19
and
24:19
you
24:19
have
24:19
to
24:19
constantly
24:20
pick
24:20
yourself
24:20
up
24:21
and
24:22
go,
24:22
okay,
24:22
it's
24:23
fine,
24:23
onto
24:24
the
24:24
next
24:24
thing.
24:25
And
24:25
that
24:25
is
24:26
tough.
24:26
Even
24:26
after
24:27
all
24:27
these
24:27
years,
24:28
it's
24:28
still
24:28
disappointing.
24:29
But
24:30
you
24:30
have
24:30
to
24:30
trust
24:31
that
24:31
it
24:31
will
24:31
be
24:32
okay.
24:32
And
24:32
you
24:32
have
24:32
to,
24:33
of
24:33
course,
24:33
then
24:33
put
24:34
in
24:34
the
24:34
energy
24:35
and
24:35
the
24:35
time
24:36
to
24:36
make
24:36
all
24:36
the
24:36
other
24:37
things
24:37
happen.
24:38
And
24:38
also
24:39
you
24:39
can't
24:39
have
24:40
100%
24:40
success
24:41
rate.
24:42
And
24:42
I
24:43
think
24:43
was
24:43
that
24:44
some
24:44
of
24:44
the
24:44
tennis
24:44
players,
24:45
like
24:45
best
24:46
tennis
24:46
players,
24:46
tennis
24:47
players
24:47
in
24:47
the
24:47
world,
24:48
have
24:48
said,
24:48
oh,
24:48
you
24:48
know,
24:49
you
24:49
still
24:49
will
24:50
lose
24:50
a
24:50
lot
24:51
of
24:51
matches
24:51
as
24:51
well,
24:52
you
24:52
can't
24:52
possibly
24:53
be
24:53
100
24:54
successful.
24:55
It's
24:55
just
24:55
not
24:55
going
24:55
to
24:56
happen.
24:56
And,
24:57
yeah,
24:57
it
24:58
is
24:58
disappointing,
24:58
though.
24:59
It
24:59
always
24:59
is.
25:00
But
25:00
then
25:00
you
25:00
look
25:00
at
25:00
all
25:01
the
25:01
great
25:01
stuff
25:01
that
25:01
happens,
25:02
and
25:02
it's
25:02
just
25:03
the
25:03
best.
25:03
Yeah.
25:04
And
25:04
sometimes
25:04
when
25:04
one
25:05
door
25:05
closes,
25:05
another
25:06
door
25:06
opens.
25:06
I
25:06
think
25:07
we
25:07
have
25:07
to
25:07
have
25:07
that
25:07
mindset
25:08
as
25:08
well.
25:08
Sometimes
25:09
that,
25:09
okay,
25:09
we
25:10
don't
25:10
understand
25:10
why
25:11
that
25:11
hasn't
25:11
gone
25:11
that
25:12
way
25:12
this
25:12
time.
25:12
It's
25:12
probably
25:13
not
25:13
a
25:13
reflection
25:13
on
25:14
us
25:14
personally.
25:14
It's
25:15
probably
25:15
something
25:15
outside
25:16
of
25:16
our
25:16
control.
25:17
But
25:17
actually,
25:17
it
25:17
may
25:17
lead
25:18
to
25:18
another
25:18
opportunity.
25:19
You
25:19
talk
25:20
about
25:20
some
25:21
of
25:21
these
25:21
different
25:21
things
25:21
along
25:22
your
25:22
journey.
25:22
I'd
25:22
love
25:22
to
25:23
know
25:23
if
25:23
there's
25:23
any
25:23
mistakes
25:24
you've
25:24
made
25:24
in
25:25
your
25:25
business
25:25
journey
25:25
over
25:26
the
25:26
last
25:26
decade
25:26
where
25:26
you
25:27
look
25:27
back
25:27
and
25:27
you
25:27
think,
25:27
I
25:28
don't
25:28
know
25:28
why
25:28
I
25:28
did
25:28
that,
25:29
that
25:29
we
25:29
can
25:29
maybe
25:29
share
25:30
with
25:30
people
25:30
that
25:30
might
25:30
help
25:31
them
25:31
avoid
25:31
some
25:32
of
25:32
the
25:32
same
25:32
kind
25:32
of
25:32
pitfalls.
25:33
Oh,
25:34
I'm
25:34
trying
25:34
to
25:34
think
25:34
now
25:35
because
25:35
I
25:35
was
25:35
originally
25:36
thinking
25:36
more
25:36
of,
25:37
like,
25:37
mistakes
25:37
I've
25:38
made
25:38
creatively,
25:39
because
25:39
there's
25:40
a
25:40
hilarious
25:40
one
25:40
I'd
25:41
like
25:41
to
25:41
share.
25:42
It
25:42
was
25:42
my
25:43
second
25:43
ever
25:44
wedding
25:45
and.
25:45
And
25:45
I'd
25:46
done
25:46
all
25:46
these
25:46
paintings.
25:47
I
25:47
was
25:47
really
25:48
happy
25:48
with
25:48
it.
25:48
It
25:49
all
25:49
gone
25:49
well,
25:50
and
25:50
the
25:51
guests
25:51
all
25:51
responded
25:52
really
25:52
positively.
25:53
And
25:53
then
25:54
I
25:55
had
25:55
to
25:55
use
25:55
a
25:56
fixative
25:56
spray
25:57
to
25:57
fix
25:58
the
25:58
pastels
25:59
that
25:59
I
26:00
use
26:00
and
26:00
the
26:00
pencils.
26:01
And
26:02
so
26:02
I
26:02
was
26:02
spraying
26:03
away.
26:03
And
26:03
then
26:04
I
26:04
realized
26:05
I
26:05
wasn't
26:05
using
26:05
fixative,
26:06
I
26:07
was
26:07
using
26:08
glue.
26:09
You
26:09
know,
26:09
the
26:10
spray
26:10
mounts
26:11
that
26:11
you
26:11
use.
26:12
I
26:12
was
26:12
basically
26:13
spraying
26:13
glue
26:14
all
26:14
over
26:14
my
26:14
paintings
26:15
that
26:15
I
26:15
just
26:16
finished.
26:18
So
26:19
now
26:19
I
26:19
keep
26:20
my
26:20
spray
26:21
mount
26:21
locked
26:21
away
26:22
in
26:22
my
26:22
studio
26:23
behind
26:24
everything
26:24
else.
26:24
I
26:24
can
26:25
never,
26:25
ever
26:25
mix
26:25
it
26:25
up
26:26
with
26:26
my
26:26
fixative.
26:29
Yeah,
26:29
that
26:29
was
26:29
terrible.
26:30
But,
26:30
yeah,
26:31
mistakes.
26:33
So
26:33
I've
26:33
never
26:34
made
26:34
any
26:34
huge
26:35
mistakes,
26:35
but
26:35
of
26:36
course,
26:36
yeah,
26:36
you're
26:36
often
26:37
kicking
26:37
yourself.
26:37
And
26:38
a
26:38
job
26:38
takes
26:38
longer.
26:39
Like,
26:39
even
26:39
recently,
26:40
I
26:40
did
26:41
some
26:41
work
26:41
and
26:42
the
26:42
job
26:42
turned
26:42
out
26:43
to
26:43
be
26:43
much
26:43
longer
26:44
than
26:44
I
26:44
thought.
26:45
So
26:45
really
26:45
I'd
26:46
undercharged,
26:47
but
26:47
it
26:47
was
26:47
difficult
26:47
to
26:47
know
26:48
in
26:48
advance
26:48
that
26:49
it
26:49
was
26:49
going
26:49
to
26:49
take
26:50
that
26:50
long.
26:51
So
26:51
I
26:51
think
26:52
having
26:52
really
26:52
clear
26:53
agreements
26:54
with
26:54
your
26:54
client
26:55
on
26:55
what's
26:56
expected,
26:56
what
26:57
you're
26:57
going
26:57
to
26:57
do,
26:58
have
26:58
a
26:58
contract
26:58
in
26:59
place
26:59
and
26:59
all
26:59
those
27:00
things,
27:00
just.
27:00
Yeah,
27:01
being
27:01
sensible
27:01
about
27:02
that.
27:02
But
27:03
I
27:03
think,
27:03
again,
27:03
we're
27:04
only
27:04
human,
27:04
aren't
27:05
we?
27:05
We're
27:05
always
27:05
going
27:05
to
27:06
mess
27:07
up
27:07
a
27:07
little
27:07
bit
27:07
here
27:08
and
27:08
there.
27:08
But
27:08
then
27:09
I
27:09
think
27:09
again,
27:09
if
27:10
something.
27:10
If
27:11
you
27:11
do
27:11
mess
27:11
up,
27:12
how
27:12
can
27:12
you
27:13
rectify
27:14
that?
27:14
How
27:14
can
27:15
you.
27:15
What
27:15
can
27:15
you
27:15
do
27:16
to
27:16
make
27:16
it
27:17
definitely
27:17
better
27:18
for
27:18
the
27:18
client?
27:18
If
27:19
you've
27:19
messed
27:19
up
27:19
something
27:20
with
27:20
the
27:21
client,
27:22
but
27:22
also
27:22
for
27:23
yourself,
27:24
what
27:24
can
27:24
you
27:24
do
27:25
to
27:25
make
27:25
yourself
27:25
feel
27:26
a
27:26
bit
27:26
better
27:26
about
27:26
it
27:27
all?
27:27
And
27:27
tell
27:28
me,
27:28
how
27:28
did
27:28
you
27:28
fix
27:29
the
27:29
ones
27:29
that
27:29
you
27:29
sprayed
27:30
with
27:30
the
27:30
wrong
27:31
thing
27:31
on
27:31
that
27:31
day?
27:32
Just
27:32
finish
27:32
that
27:32
story
27:32
for
27:32
us,
27:33
otherwise
27:33
we're
27:33
always
27:34
going
27:34
to
27:34
be
27:34
wondering
27:35
what
27:35
happened
27:35
next.
27:37
Well,
27:38
I
27:38
don't
27:39
know
27:39
all
27:39
these
27:40
years
27:40
later,
27:40
if
27:41
the
27:41
glue
27:41
has
27:42
affected
27:42
the
27:42
painting.
27:43
If
27:43
so,
27:43
I
27:44
apologize.
27:45
But
27:45
what
27:46
I
27:46
did,
27:47
because
27:47
they
27:47
were
27:47
kind
27:48
of
27:48
white
27:48
backgrounds,
27:49
I
27:49
got
27:49
this
27:50
pearlescent
27:51
powder
27:52
because
27:52
I
27:52
thought,
27:52
well,
27:53
the
27:53
white
27:53
might
27:53
turn
27:54
weird
27:54
yellow
27:55
over
27:56
time,
27:56
possibly,
27:57
I
27:57
don't
27:57
know.
27:58
So
27:58
I
27:58
sort
27:59
of
27:59
rubbed
27:59
that
27:59
gently
28:00
onto
28:00
the
28:00
background
28:01
so
28:01
you
28:01
had
28:01
that
28:01
lovely
28:02
shiny
28:03
pearlescent
28:05
effect
28:06
in
28:06
the
28:06
background.
28:07
And
28:07
again,
28:07
if.
28:08
If
28:09
any
28:09
of
28:09
these
28:09
people
28:09
are
28:10
listening
28:10
and
28:10
they're
28:10
thinking,
28:11
what?
28:12
That's
28:12
why
28:12
my
28:12
painting
28:13
has
28:13
gone
28:13
yellow,
28:14
please
28:14
come
28:14
back
28:14
and
28:15
I
28:15
promise
28:15
you
28:15
I'll
28:16
give
28:16
you
28:16
another
28:17
painting.
28:17
I'll
28:17
do
28:17
it
28:18
again.
28:19
I
28:19
love
28:19
that
28:19
you
28:19
fixed
28:20
it,
28:20
though.
28:20
I
28:20
bet
28:20
they
28:20
never
28:21
knew
28:21
any
28:21
different.
28:22
And
28:22
we,
28:22
again,
28:22
you're
28:23
probably
28:23
thinking
28:23
about
28:23
all
28:23
these
28:24
years
28:24
later
28:24
and
28:24
that
28:25
picture
28:25
is
28:25
probably
28:26
perfect,
28:26
still
28:27
on
28:27
their
28:27
wall
28:28
looking
28:28
beautiful.
28:29
Now,
28:30
you've
28:30
had
28:30
some
28:30
amazing
28:31
things
28:31
happen
28:31
in
28:31
your
28:31
career.
28:32
We've
28:32
talked
28:33
about
28:33
a
28:33
couple
28:33
of
28:33
the
28:33
opportunities
28:34
you've
28:34
had
28:34
when
28:34
you
28:34
look
28:35
back
28:35
over
28:35
the
28:35
last
28:36
decade,
28:36
the
28:36
last
28:36
25
28:37
years
28:37
even,
28:37
that
28:38
you're
28:38
about
28:38
to
28:38
celebrate.
28:38
What
28:39
are
28:39
some
28:39
of
28:39
the
28:39
biggest
28:39
care
28:40
career
28:40
highlights
28:40
you've
28:41
had?
28:42
There's
28:42
been
28:43
so
28:43
many.
28:43
Honestly,
28:44
it's.
28:44
It's
28:45
because
28:45
the
28:46
work
28:46
that
28:46
I
28:46
do,
28:47
I
28:47
go
28:47
to
28:47
the
28:47
best
28:48
places
28:48
where
28:48
people
28:49
are
28:49
really
28:49
happy,
28:50
having
28:50
amazing
28:51
celebrations,
28:52
spending
28:52
a
28:52
lot
28:53
of
28:53
money
28:53
on,
28:53
you
28:54
know,
28:54
flowers
28:55
and
28:55
venues
28:56
and
28:56
food
28:57
and
28:57
music,
28:58
and
28:58
it's
28:59
just
28:59
mind
28:59
blowing
29:00
and
29:00
it's
29:00
really
29:00
nice
29:01
to
29:01
be
29:02
part
29:02
of
29:02
that
29:03
and
29:03
being
29:04
paid
29:04
to
29:04
be
29:05
there.
29:05
So
29:05
I've
29:06
done
29:06
some
29:06
really
29:06
incredible
29:07
weddings.
29:08
For
29:08
instance,
29:08
in
29:08
the
29:08
south
29:09
of
29:09
France.
29:09
I
29:09
did
29:10
one
29:10
not
29:11
that
29:11
long
29:11
ago.
29:12
And
29:13
yeah,
29:14
so
29:14
the
29:14
best
29:14
man
29:15
sort
29:15
of
29:15
started
29:15
chatting
29:16
and
29:16
then
29:16
he
29:17
was
29:17
like,
29:17
well,
29:17
actually,
29:18
I
29:18
think
29:18
someone
29:19
else
29:19
is
29:19
much
29:19
better
29:20
than
29:20
me
29:20
can
29:20
do
29:20
that.
29:21
And
29:21
then
29:21
James
29:22
Corden
29:22
just
29:23
turned
29:23
up
29:23
and
29:23
he
29:23
was
29:24
the
29:24
compare
29:24
for
29:25
the
29:25
evening
29:25
and
29:25
he
29:25
just
29:26
did
29:26
the
29:26
whole.
29:27
The
29:27
whole
29:27
night.
29:28
And
29:29
then
29:29
when
29:29
the
29:29
first
29:30
dance
29:30
was
29:31
announced,
29:31
it
29:32
was
29:32
Florence
29:32
and
29:33
the
29:33
Machine
29:33
and
29:34
she
29:34
just
29:34
performed
29:36
for
29:36
the
29:36
evening
29:37
and
29:37
it
29:37
was
29:37
like,
29:38
wow,
29:39
this
29:40
is
29:40
really
29:40
nice.
29:40
I
29:41
don't
29:41
mind
29:41
painting
29:42
with
29:42
a
29:42
bit
29:42
of
29:43
Florence
29:44
singing
29:44
live
29:45
right
29:46
in
29:46
front
29:46
of
29:46
me.
29:47
So
29:47
that's
29:48
just
29:48
brilliant.
29:49
That's
29:49
amazing.
29:50
But
29:50
also
29:52
it's
29:52
just
29:53
generally
29:53
happy
29:54
people
29:54
and
29:54
meeting
29:54
lovely
29:55
people
29:55
who
29:55
Appreciate
29:56
your
29:56
work.
29:58
Because
29:59
I'm
29:59
painting,
29:59
of
29:59
course,
30:00
I'm
30:00
painting
30:00
for
30:00
me,
30:00
but
30:01
really
30:01
I'm
30:01
painting
30:02
for
30:02
the
30:02
client.
30:02
I
30:03
want
30:03
the
30:03
person
30:04
receiving
30:04
the
30:04
painting
30:05
to
30:05
feel
30:06
really
30:06
good
30:06
about
30:06
themselves
30:07
and
30:07
to
30:08
have
30:08
something
30:08
that
30:08
captures
30:09
that
30:09
moment
30:10
that
30:10
will
30:10
trigger
30:11
all
30:11
those
30:11
happy
30:12
memories
30:12
for
30:12
years
30:12
to
30:13
come.
30:13
And
30:13
that's
30:14
the
30:14
main
30:14
aim,
30:15
is
30:15
to,
30:16
you
30:16
know,
30:16
please,
30:17
please
30:17
the
30:17
client
30:18
and
30:19
make
30:19
people
30:20
even
30:20
more
30:20
happy
30:20
than
30:20
they
30:21
already
30:21
are
30:21
in
30:21
that
30:22
moment.
30:22
But
30:22
for
30:22
it
30:23
to
30:23
be
30:23
lasting
30:24
and
30:24
for
30:24
them
30:24
to
30:25
appreciate
30:25
the
30:26
artwork
30:26
and,
30:27
and
30:28
that's
30:28
a
30:28
crazy
30:29
thought
30:29
that
30:30
all
30:30
these
30:30
paintings
30:31
have
30:31
created
30:31
over
30:32
the
30:32
years
30:32
and
30:32
that's
30:33
worldwide
30:33
and
30:34
they've
30:34
gone
30:34
all
30:35
these
30:35
different
30:35
countries.
30:36
And
30:36
to
30:36
think
30:36
that,
30:37
that
30:37
I
30:37
find
30:38
it
30:38
quite.
30:39
Not
30:39
embarrassing.
30:40
That's
30:40
not
30:40
the
30:40
right
30:40
word,
30:41
but
30:41
almost
30:41
like,
30:41
oh,
30:42
my
30:42
God,
30:42
I
30:42
can't
30:42
believe
30:43
that
30:43
all
30:43
these
30:44
paintings
30:44
are
30:44
potentially
30:45
up
30:45
on
30:45
people's
30:45
walls
30:46
all
30:46
over
30:46
the
30:46
world.
30:47
And
30:48
I
30:48
like
30:48
to
30:48
think
30:48
that
30:49
they're
30:49
enjoying
30:49
them
30:49
still.
30:50
That's
30:50
an
30:50
incredible
30:51
legacy,
30:51
though.
30:51
And
30:52
I'm
30:52
sure
30:52
they
30:52
are
30:52
enjoying
30:53
them.
30:53
And
30:53
what
30:54
an
30:54
amazing
30:54
thing.
30:54
I
30:54
love
30:54
it
30:55
when
30:55
people
30:55
put
30:56
things
30:56
on
30:56
Instagram
30:56
or
30:57
TikTok
30:57
and
30:57
I
30:57
think
30:57
you
30:57
do
30:57
this
30:58
sometimes
30:58
where
30:58
you
30:58
see
30:58
the
30:59
reveal
30:59
when
30:59
they
30:59
show
31:00
the
31:00
painting
31:00
to
31:01
the
31:01
couple
31:01
and
31:01
you
31:01
get
31:02
just
31:02
a
31:02
little
31:02
glimpse
31:03
of
31:03
that
31:03
dopamine
31:04
hit
31:04
that
31:04
you
31:04
probably
31:04
get
31:05
being
31:05
there,
31:06
being
31:06
the
31:06
artist,
31:07
when
31:07
they
31:07
see
31:07
what
31:08
you
31:08
created
31:08
while
31:09
they're
31:09
still
31:09
in
31:09
the
31:10
middle
31:10
of
31:10
that
31:10
moment.
31:11
So,
31:11
you
31:11
know,
31:11
they
31:11
get
31:11
the
31:11
photos
31:12
back
31:12
maybe
31:12
two,
31:12
three
31:13
weeks
31:13
later,
31:13
but
31:14
you're
31:14
literally
31:14
presenting
31:15
them
31:15
with
31:15
this
31:16
thing
31:16
almost
31:17
immediately.
31:17
And
31:18
the
31:18
guests
31:18
as
31:18
well.
31:18
I
31:18
know
31:19
sometimes
31:19
you
31:19
paint
31:19
the
31:19
guests
31:20
as
31:20
well.
31:20
That
31:20
must
31:21
be
31:21
an
31:21
incredible
31:21
feeling
31:22
when
31:22
they,
31:22
when
31:22
they're
31:23
so
31:23
happy
31:23
with
31:23
what
31:23
you've
31:23
produced.
31:24
Oh,
31:24
it
31:24
is
31:25
so
31:25
sweet.
31:25
And
31:25
you
31:26
literally
31:26
have
31:26
people
31:26
in
31:27
tears
31:27
sometimes,
31:28
you
31:28
know,
31:28
and
31:29
especially
31:29
if,
31:29
of
31:30
course,
31:30
if
31:30
you
31:30
paint
31:30
their
31:31
children
31:31
or
31:31
if
31:32
you
31:32
include
31:32
dogs.
31:33
You
31:33
know,
31:34
people
31:34
definitely
31:34
love
31:35
all
31:35
of
31:35
that.
31:35
But
31:36
yeah,
31:36
people
31:36
are
31:36
literally
31:37
overwhelmed
31:37
and
31:38
in
31:38
tears.
31:39
And
31:39
that's.
31:39
That's
31:40
amazing.
31:41
Now,
31:41
I
31:41
would
31:41
describe
31:42
a
31:42
lot
31:42
of
31:42
what
31:42
you
31:42
do
31:43
and
31:43
a
31:43
lot
31:43
of
31:43
the
31:43
events
31:44
you
31:44
work
31:44
at
31:44
as
31:44
being
31:45
the
31:45
top
31:45
tier
31:46
of
31:46
the
31:46
wedding
31:46
market.
31:46
You
31:47
know,
31:47
not
31:47
every
31:47
wedding
31:48
has
31:48
got
31:48
James
31:48
Corden
31:49
as
31:49
the
31:49
compare.
31:50
And
31:50
a
31:50
lot
31:50
of
31:50
the
31:50
people
31:50
you
31:50
work
31:51
with
31:51
are
31:51
high
31:51
end
31:52
brands,
31:52
high
31:52
end
31:53
clients,
31:53
and
31:53
are
31:54
right
31:54
at
31:54
the
31:54
top
31:54
tier
31:54
of
31:54
the
31:55
wedding
31:55
industry.
31:55
And
31:56
that's
31:56
a
31:56
place
31:56
where
31:56
a
31:56
lot
31:56
of
31:57
people
31:57
aspire
31:57
to
31:57
be
31:58
or
31:58
think,
31:58
I
31:58
wish
31:59
I
31:59
could
31:59
get
31:59
into
31:59
that
31:59
area
32:00
a
32:00
bit
32:00
more.
32:00
I
32:00
wish
32:01
I
32:01
could
32:01
work
32:01
with
32:01
some
32:01
of
32:01
those
32:02
bigger
32:02
brands.
32:02
Have
32:03
you
32:03
got
32:03
any
32:03
thoughts
32:03
or
32:04
tips
32:04
on
32:04
how
32:05
you
32:05
have
32:05
positioned
32:06
yourself
32:07
in
32:07
that
32:07
place.
32:08
How
32:08
have
32:08
you
32:08
established
32:09
yourself
32:09
as
32:09
being
32:10
at
32:10
the
32:10
top
32:10
of
32:11
your
32:11
game
32:11
rather
32:11
than
32:12
just
32:12
being,
32:13
you
32:13
know,
32:13
amongst
32:14
the
32:14
general
32:14
public,
32:15
as
32:15
it
32:15
were?
32:15
Yeah,
32:16
so
32:16
again,
32:16
that's
32:16
going
32:17
back
32:17
to
32:17
the
32:17
start.
32:18
When
32:18
I
32:18
was
32:18
writing
32:19
the
32:19
business
32:19
plan,
32:20
I
32:20
had
32:20
that
32:20
clear
32:21
idea
32:21
that
32:22
I
32:22
want
32:22
to
32:23
work
32:23
at
32:23
these
32:23
high
32:24
end,
32:24
beautiful
32:25
events.
32:25
That's
32:26
where
32:26
I
32:26
want
32:26
to
32:26
be
32:27
because
32:27
they
32:27
are
32:28
incredible.
32:29
And
32:30
also
32:30
then
32:30
your
32:30
fee
32:31
can
32:31
be
32:31
higher
32:31
because
32:32
I,
32:32
and
32:33
I
32:33
think
32:33
this,
32:34
what's
32:34
driven
32:34
me
32:35
really
32:36
is
32:36
having
32:36
children
32:37
so
32:37
not
32:37
having
32:37
all
32:38
the
32:38
time
32:38
in
32:38
the
32:38
world
32:39
and
32:39
all
32:39
the
32:40
energy
32:40
in
32:40
the
32:40
world.
32:41
So
32:41
I
32:41
can't
32:42
be
32:43
out
32:43
every
32:44
night
32:44
painting,
32:45
traveling
32:46
to
32:46
all
32:46
these
32:46
different
32:47
locations.
32:47
You
32:48
know,
32:48
I've,
32:48
I've
32:48
got
32:49
a
32:49
family
32:49
and
32:50
I've
32:50
got
32:50
a
32:50
social
32:51
life
32:51
and
32:51
I
32:51
want
32:52
to
32:52
enjoy
32:52
life
32:52
and
32:53
I
32:53
don't
32:53
just
32:53
want
32:53
to
32:53
be
32:54
working
32:55
all
32:55
the
32:55
time
32:56
and
32:57
running
32:57
myself
32:57
to
32:57
the
32:58
ground,
32:58
I
32:58
need
32:58
to
32:59
look
32:59
after
32:59
myself.
33:00
So
33:00
I
33:00
thought,
33:00
right,
33:00
I
33:01
want
33:01
to
33:01
do
33:01
high
33:01
end.
33:02
That's
33:02
where
33:03
I
33:03
want
33:03
to
33:03
position
33:03
myself.
33:04
And
33:04
that's
33:04
got
33:05
to
33:05
then
33:05
be
33:05
reflected
33:06
in
33:06
everything
33:06
you
33:07
do.
33:07
So
33:08
it
33:08
does
33:08
mean
33:08
that
33:09
I
33:09
probably
33:10
spend
33:10
more
33:11
than
33:11
other
33:12
artists
33:12
on,
33:14
for
33:14
instance,
33:14
a
33:14
website
33:15
and
33:15
I
33:16
have
33:16
a
33:16
VA
33:17
and
33:17
I
33:17
have
33:17
other
33:18
people
33:18
helping
33:19
me.
33:19
I
33:19
always
33:19
have
33:19
an
33:19
assistant
33:20
at
33:20
an
33:20
event,
33:21
so
33:21
I'm
33:21
spending
33:22
more
33:22
to
33:22
make
33:22
sure
33:23
that
33:23
my
33:23
clients
33:24
receive
33:25
a
33:25
very
33:25
professional
33:26
service
33:27
with,
33:27
you
33:28
know,
33:28
everything
33:28
I
33:28
could
33:29
possibly
33:29
think
33:30
of,
33:30
like
33:30
the
33:30
presentation,
33:31
everything
33:31
is,
33:32
is
33:33
carefully
33:33
thought
33:34
through
33:34
and
33:35
I
33:35
like
33:35
to
33:35
think
33:36
beautiful.
33:37
So
33:38
the
33:38
other
33:38
thing,
33:38
if
33:39
you
33:39
really
33:39
want
33:39
to
33:40
target
33:40
high
33:41
end,
33:41
then
33:42
your
33:42
prices
33:43
have
33:44
to
33:44
reflect
33:44
that
33:44
as
33:45
well.
33:45
You
33:45
know,
33:46
if
33:46
people
33:46
will
33:47
buy
33:47
a
33:47
very
33:47
expensive
33:48
handbag
33:48
because
33:49
it's
33:49
got
33:49
particular
33:49
label,
33:50
but
33:50
if
33:50
that
33:50
handbag
33:51
was
33:51
only
33:52
£100,
33:52
then
33:53
they
33:53
wouldn't
33:53
trust
33:53
it
33:53
and
33:54
they
33:54
wouldn't
33:54
think
33:54
it
33:54
was
33:54
a
33:54
good
33:55
bag.
33:55
So
33:56
you
33:56
need
33:56
to
33:57
charge
33:58
accordingly
33:58
as
33:59
well.
33:59
And
33:59
I
33:59
know
34:00
that
34:00
I've
34:01
always
34:01
charged
34:02
more
34:02
than
34:03
other
34:04
artists
34:04
in
34:04
the
34:05
uk,
34:05
live
34:05
artists
34:06
in
34:06
the
34:06
uk.
34:07
And
34:08
I
34:08
also
34:08
know
34:08
that
34:09
for
34:09
that
34:09
reason
34:10
for
34:10
certain
34:11
events,
34:12
people
34:12
won't
34:12
hire
34:13
me
34:13
because
34:13
they
34:13
look
34:13
at
34:13
the
34:13
budget
34:14
and
34:14
they
34:14
think,
34:14
no,
34:15
I'm
34:15
not
34:15
going
34:16
to
34:17
spend
34:17
that
34:17
much.
34:18
But
34:18
if
34:18
you
34:18
stick
34:19
with
34:19
it,
34:20
and
34:20
also
34:21
knowing
34:21
that
34:21
I
34:21
only
34:21
want
34:22
to
34:22
do,
34:22
for
34:22
instance,
34:23
15
34:23
UK
34:24
weddings
34:24
a
34:24
year,
34:25
plus,
34:25
say
34:25
a
34:25
handful
34:26
of
34:26
destination
34:27
weddings
34:27
a
34:27
year,
34:28
so
34:28
it's
34:28
probably
34:28
a
34:29
lot
34:29
less
34:29
than
34:30
what
34:30
other
34:30
people
34:30
are
34:31
aiming
34:31
for,
34:32
what
34:32
they're
34:32
doing.
34:33
But
34:33
that
34:33
was
34:34
my
34:34
conscious
34:35
decision
34:37
to
34:37
really
34:38
work
34:38
for
34:38
these
34:39
wonderful
34:40
weddings
34:40
and
34:41
events
34:41
for
34:42
clients
34:42
who
34:42
really
34:43
want
34:43
me
34:43
to
34:43
be
34:44
there
34:44
and
34:44
really
34:44
appreciate
34:45
what
34:45
I
34:45
do.
34:46
And
34:46
then
34:46
that
34:47
way
34:47
it
34:47
sort
34:47
of
34:48
automatically
34:48
filters
34:50
and
34:50
you,
34:50
you
34:50
get
34:51
the
34:51
right
34:51
clients.
34:52
But
34:52
yeah,
34:53
it's,
34:53
it's
34:53
being,
34:54
it's
34:55
being
34:55
brave.
34:55
But
34:55
yeah,
34:56
it's
34:56
also,
34:56
also
34:56
all
34:57
the
34:57
networking
34:57
and
34:58
everything
34:59
else
34:59
that
34:59
comes
34:59
with
35:00
it
35:00
and
35:00
taking
35:01
yourself
35:01
seriously
35:02
and
35:02
taking
35:03
work
35:03
seriously,
35:04
it.
35:05
That
35:05
sounds,
35:05
maybe
35:05
that
35:06
sounds
35:06
a
35:06
bit
35:06
wrong,
35:06
but
35:07
you
35:07
have
35:08
to
35:08
believe
35:09
in
35:09
that,
35:10
that
35:10
what
35:10
you
35:10
are
35:11
delivering
35:11
is
35:12
something
35:12
unique,
35:13
it
35:13
is
35:13
something
35:13
special.
35:14
You
35:14
can't
35:14
just
35:14
get
35:14
it
35:15
anywhere
35:15
and
35:16
this
35:16
is
35:16
where
35:16
you
35:16
want
35:16
to
35:16
be.
35:17
And
35:17
also
35:17
I
35:18
feel
35:18
really
35:18
comfortable
35:19
now
35:19
in
35:20
that
35:20
environment.
35:20
And
35:21
when
35:21
I
35:21
first
35:21
started,
35:22
I
35:22
remember
35:22
walking
35:22
into
35:22
the
35:23
Savoy
35:23
and
35:24
feeling
35:24
really
35:25
a
35:25
bit
35:25
intimidated.
35:27
Oh
35:27
my
35:27
God.
35:28
And
35:28
now
35:28
of
35:28
course
35:28
it's
35:29
like,
35:29
oh,
35:29
what
35:29
a
35:29
lovely
35:30
hotel,
35:31
you
35:31
know,
35:31
and
35:31
I
35:32
feel
35:32
totally
35:32
at
35:33
ease
35:33
and
35:33
I
35:33
feel
35:33
happy
35:34
there
35:34
and
35:34
that's
35:35
want
35:35
to.
35:35
Be
35:35
so
35:36
many
35:36
helpful
35:36
tips
35:36
in
35:37
there.
35:37
And
35:37
I
35:37
think
35:37
it's
35:38
an
35:38
interesting
35:39
point
35:39
as
35:39
well
35:39
because
35:40
you
35:40
talk
35:40
a
35:40
little
35:40
bit
35:41
about
35:41
your
35:41
own
35:41
lifestyle
35:42
and
35:42
the
35:42
lifestyle
35:42
you
35:42
wanted
35:43
to
35:43
create.
35:43
And
35:44
in
35:44
order
35:44
to
35:44
not
35:45
work
35:45
all
35:45
of
35:45
the
35:45
time,
35:46
you're
35:46
better
35:47
to
35:47
work
35:47
at
35:47
a
35:47
much
35:48
more
35:48
premium
35:48
price
35:49
and
35:49
to
35:49
do
35:49
less
35:49
of
35:50
it
35:50
rather
35:50
than
35:51
for
35:51
you
35:51
it
35:51
wouldn't
35:51
work
35:51
to
35:52
have
35:52
the
35:52
model
35:52
of
35:52
doing
35:53
loads
35:53
of
35:53
events
35:53
at
35:53
a
35:54
low
35:54
price
35:54
because
35:54
you've
35:55
got
35:55
loads
35:55
of
35:55
other
35:56
stuff
35:56
going
35:56
on.
35:56
Which
35:57
brings
35:57
me
35:57
nicely
35:58
to
35:58
my
35:58
next
35:58
question,
35:58
which
35:59
was
35:59
around
35:59
how
35:59
you
35:59
deal
36:00
with
36:00
this
36:00
juggler.
36:00
Because
36:01
as
36:01
a
36:01
mum,
36:02
it's
36:02
not
36:02
always
36:03
easy
36:04
to
36:04
travel
36:04
the
36:04
world
36:05
and
36:05
to
36:05
go
36:05
to
36:05
all
36:05
of
36:05
these
36:06
different
36:06
events
36:06
and
36:07
sometimes
36:08
Instagram
36:08
gives
36:08
us
36:08
this
36:09
really
36:09
luxurious
36:10
perspective
36:11
of
36:11
life,
36:11
but
36:11
actually
36:12
sometimes
36:12
that's
36:12
not
36:12
the
36:12
reality
36:13
of
36:13
day
36:13
to
36:13
day
36:14
on
36:14
the
36:14
ground.
36:14
So
36:14
how
36:14
have
36:14
you
36:15
managed
36:16
building
36:16
your
36:16
business
36:17
whilst
36:17
having
36:17
a
36:18
family
36:18
and
36:18
doing
36:18
these
36:19
trips
36:19
and
36:19
doing
36:19
these
36:20
different
36:20
events?
36:20
Yeah,
36:21
you
36:21
know,
36:21
and
36:22
that
36:22
is
36:22
the
36:22
biggest
36:22
challenge,
36:23
but
36:23
it's
36:24
also
36:24
been
36:24
what's
36:24
motivated
36:25
me.
36:26
So.
36:26
So
36:27
it's
36:27
a
36:27
bit
36:27
of
36:27
both.
36:29
It
36:29
really
36:29
isn't
36:30
easy,
36:31
it
36:31
can't
36:32
be,
36:33
but
36:33
it
36:33
is
36:34
super
36:34
fulfilling.
36:36
And
36:36
looking
36:36
back,
36:38
when
36:38
I
36:38
look
36:38
back
36:39
at
36:39
how
36:39
young
36:39
the
36:39
children
36:40
were
36:40
when
36:40
I
36:41
started,
36:43
so
36:43
the
36:43
youngest
36:44
was
36:44
only
36:44
one,
36:45
then
36:46
our
36:47
other
36:47
two
36:47
would
36:47
have
36:48
been
36:48
five
36:48
and
36:49
six
36:49
maybe
36:49
at
36:49
the
36:49
time.
36:50
So
36:50
that's
36:50
really
36:51
hands
36:52
on.
36:52
And
36:52
back
36:53
then
36:53
we
36:54
had
36:54
au
36:54
pairs,
36:56
so
36:56
we'd
36:56
have
36:57
Dutch
36:57
au
36:57
pairs
36:58
who
36:58
would
36:59
stay
36:59
with
36:59
us
37:00
and
37:00
be
37:01
able
37:01
to
37:01
help
37:01
out.
37:02
So
37:02
that
37:03
really
37:03
was
37:04
amazing
37:05
and
37:05
it
37:05
worked
37:05
well
37:06
for
37:06
us.
37:06
Especially
37:06
if
37:07
you
37:07
remember,
37:07
this
37:08
was
37:08
before
37:08
lockdown
37:09
where
37:09
my
37:09
husband
37:09
was
37:09
only
37:10
home
37:10
weekends,
37:11
so
37:12
I
37:12
couldn't
37:12
even
37:12
just
37:13
pop
37:13
out
37:13
to
37:13
buy
37:14
milk.
37:15
You
37:15
know,
37:15
I
37:15
had
37:15
to
37:15
take
37:16
three
37:16
kids
37:16
with
37:17
me
37:17
everywhere
37:17
I
37:17
went.
37:18
And
37:18
I
37:18
could
37:18
definitely
37:19
not
37:19
just
37:19
stay
37:19
out
37:20
late
37:20
in
37:20
London
37:21
doing
37:21
an
37:21
event.
37:22
And,
37:22
you
37:22
know,
37:22
I
37:22
needed
37:23
someone
37:23
to
37:23
look
37:23
after
37:23
the
37:24
kids.
37:25
I
37:26
just
37:26
get
37:26
tired
37:27
even
37:27
thinking
37:28
about
37:28
it
37:29
now.
37:29
So
37:29
if
37:29
you're
37:30
in
37:30
that
37:30
position,
37:31
I
37:31
feel,
37:32
I
37:32
feel
37:32
your
37:32
pain,
37:32
but
37:33
it
37:33
is
37:33
doable.
37:34
You
37:34
can
37:34
do
37:34
it.
37:36
You
37:36
just
37:36
have
37:36
to
37:36
be
37:37
really
37:37
focused
37:38
and
37:38
really
37:38
wanting
37:39
to
37:39
do
37:39
it.
37:40
And
37:40
then
37:41
I
37:41
was
37:41
just
37:42
forever
37:42
sorting
37:42
out
37:43
child
37:43
care
37:44
and.
37:44
Because
37:44
then
37:45
we
37:45
had
37:46
Brexit
37:47
first
37:48
of
37:48
all,
37:48
which
37:48
then
37:48
meant
37:49
au
37:49
pairs
37:50
couldn't
37:50
come
37:50
anymore
37:51
from
37:51
Holland.
37:52
So
37:53
that
37:53
was
37:53
a
37:53
nightmare.
37:54
Then
37:55
of
37:55
course
37:55
we
37:55
had
37:55
lockdown
37:56
and
37:56
then
37:56
we
37:57
tried
37:57
having
37:58
a
37:58
sort
37:58
of
37:58
nanny
37:59
and
37:59
I
38:00
had
38:00
to
38:00
have
38:00
someone
38:01
on
38:01
the
38:01
payroll.
38:02
Oh
38:02
my
38:02
God.
38:02
It's
38:03
just
38:03
absolute
38:04
nightmare.
38:04
It's
38:04
so
38:05
expensive.
38:05
It's
38:06
so
38:06
expensive.
38:07
But
38:07
I
38:07
always
38:08
wanted
38:08
to
38:09
create.
38:09
And
38:10
for
38:10
me
38:10
it
38:10
was
38:11
an
38:11
absolute
38:12
no
38:12
brainer.
38:12
I
38:13
want
38:13
to
38:13
work,
38:13
I
38:14
don't
38:14
want
38:14
to
38:14
sit
38:14
at
38:15
home,
38:15
not
38:16
be
38:16
creative.
38:17
This
38:17
is
38:17
what
38:17
I
38:17
want
38:17
to
38:18
do.
38:18
But
38:19
whatever
38:19
I
38:19
do,
38:20
my
38:20
children
38:21
can't
38:21
suffer
38:22
like
38:22
they
38:22
are
38:22
my
38:23
number
38:23
one
38:23
priority
38:24
and
38:24
of
38:24
course
38:24
my
38:24
husband.
38:25
But
38:25
really,
38:25
children,
38:26
they
38:26
can't
38:26
look
38:27
after
38:27
themselves.
38:28
Um,
38:28
they
38:29
are
38:29
my
38:29
priority.
38:30
So
38:31
I
38:31
don't
38:31
want
38:31
to
38:32
have
38:32
an
38:32
amazing
38:32
career
38:33
but
38:33
neglect
38:34
my
38:34
home
38:34
life.
38:35
So
38:35
that's
38:35
always
38:36
been
38:37
first
38:38
make
38:38
sure
38:38
they're
38:38
okay,
38:39
and
38:39
then
38:39
I
38:39
can
38:39
go
38:40
off
38:40
and
38:40
do
38:40
these,
38:41
these
38:41
events.
38:42
It
38:42
definitely
38:43
gets
38:43
easier.
38:43
So
38:43
anyone
38:44
out
38:44
there
38:44
with
38:44
young
38:44
children,
38:45
I
38:46
know
38:46
it's
38:46
not
38:46
helpful
38:47
now,
38:47
but
38:47
it
38:47
does
38:48
get
38:48
easier.
38:49
So
38:50
ours
38:50
are
38:50
now
38:51
10,
38:52
14
38:53
and
38:53
16.
38:54
And
38:54
it
38:55
is
38:55
so
38:56
much
38:56
better
38:56
because
38:57
they
38:57
can
38:57
be
38:57
left
38:58
on
38:58
their
38:58
own
38:58
and
38:58
they're
38:59
not
38:59
going
38:59
to
38:59
drink
38:59
the
38:59
bleach
39:00
and
39:00
burn
39:00
the
39:00
house
39:01
down,
39:01
you
39:01
know,
39:02
hopefully
39:02
be
39:03
okay.
39:03
They
39:03
might
39:03
have
39:04
a
39:04
few
39:04
wild
39:04
parties.
39:05
But.
39:07
It'S
39:07
funny.
39:08
Is
39:08
it?
39:08
Because
39:08
you
39:08
do
39:08
look
39:09
back
39:09
and
39:09
you
39:09
do
39:09
wonder,
39:10
how
39:10
did
39:11
I
39:11
do
39:11
that?
39:11
Because
39:11
even
39:12
when
39:12
I
39:12
look
39:12
back
39:12
on
39:13
when
39:13
I
39:13
started
39:13
my
39:13
business
39:14
when
39:14
I
39:14
was
39:15
pregnant
39:15
with
39:15
Alice,
39:15
who's
39:16
now
39:16
8,
39:17
and
39:17
looking
39:17
back
39:18
and
39:18
thinking,
39:18
how
39:18
on
39:19
earth
39:19
did
39:19
I
39:19
keep
39:20
it
39:20
all
39:20
going?
39:20
But
39:20
you
39:20
do.
39:21
You
39:21
find
39:21
a
39:21
way
39:21
through.
39:22
You
39:22
find
39:22
a
39:22
way
39:22
to
39:22
juggle.
39:23
And
39:23
like
39:23
you
39:23
said,
39:23
it
39:23
does
39:23
get
39:24
a
39:24
little
39:24
bit
39:24
easier.
39:24
You
39:24
do
39:25
come
39:25
out
39:25
the
39:25
other
39:25
side
39:25
of
39:25
it.
39:26
And
39:26
it
39:26
is,
39:26
isn't
39:27
all
39:27
terrible
39:28
in
39:28
the
39:28
end,
39:28
but
39:29
it
39:29
isn't
39:29
easy.
39:29
And
39:30
I
39:30
think
39:30
sometimes
39:30
we
39:30
need
39:30
to
39:31
remember
39:31
when
39:31
we're
39:31
looking
39:31
at
39:32
other
39:32
people's
39:32
Instagrams
39:33
or
39:33
looking
39:33
at
39:33
what
39:33
other
39:33
people
39:34
are
39:34
doing,
39:34
that
39:35
you
39:35
don't
39:35
know
39:35
what's
39:35
going
39:36
on
39:36
behind
39:36
the
39:36
scenes
39:37
because
39:37
we
39:37
may
39:37
present
39:38
this
39:38
perfect
39:39
life
39:39
where
39:39
we're
39:40
going
39:40
to
39:40
these
39:40
glamorous
39:41
places
39:41
and
39:41
going
39:41
to
39:42
glamorous
39:42
events,
39:42
but
39:42
we
39:43
all
39:43
have
39:43
real
39:43
life
39:43
going
39:44
on
39:44
in
39:44
the
39:44
background,
39:44
and
39:44
Instagram's
39:45
just
39:45
like
39:46
a
39:46
tiny
39:46
little
39:47
piece
39:47
on
39:47
the
39:48
top.
39:48
And
39:48
so
39:48
it's
39:48
really
39:48
important
39:49
we
39:49
don't
39:49
compare
39:49
ourselves
39:50
to
39:50
each
39:50
other
39:51
because
39:51
it's
39:51
not
39:51
a
39:52
true
39:52
reflection.
39:52
And
39:52
that's
39:52
why
39:52
I
39:53
like
39:53
to
39:53
get
39:54
the
39:54
real
39:54
side
39:54
of
39:54
the
39:55
story
39:55
over
39:55
on
39:56
the
39:56
podcast
39:56
as
39:56
well,
39:56
because
39:57
I
39:57
think
39:57
we
39:57
don't
39:57
want
39:57
to
39:58
present
39:58
as
39:58
like,
39:58
our
39:59
lives
39:59
are
39:59
perfect
39:59
and
40:00
nothing
40:00
could
40:00
go
40:01
wrong
40:01
because
40:01
we
40:02
all
40:02
have
40:02
stuff
40:02
going
40:03
on
40:03
all
40:03
of
40:03
the
40:03
time
40:03
and
40:03
we
40:04
all
40:04
have
40:04
life
40:05
to
40:05
juggle.
40:05
Before
40:06
we
40:06
bring
40:06
the
40:06
conversation
40:06
to
40:07
a
40:07
close,
40:07
there's
40:07
a
40:07
couple
40:07
of
40:07
things
40:08
I
40:08
want
40:08
to
40:08
chat
40:08
to
40:08
you
40:08
about.
40:09
One
40:09
is
40:09
about
40:09
where
40:10
your
40:10
bookings
40:10
come
40:11
from
40:11
now.
40:12
So
40:12
you
40:12
know
40:13
you're
40:13
a
40:13
decade
40:14
in.
40:14
If
40:15
you
40:15
look
40:15
back,
40:15
if
40:15
you
40:15
reflect
40:16
back
40:16
on
40:16
24.
40:17
And
40:17
as
40:17
you
40:17
look
40:18
forward
40:18
to
40:18
what
40:18
you've
40:18
got
40:18
booked
40:19
in
40:19
the
40:19
diary,
40:20
where
40:20
do
40:20
you
40:20
think
40:21
you
40:21
are
40:21
finding
40:22
your
40:22
bookings
40:22
are
40:23
coming
40:23
from?
40:23
What's
40:23
working
40:24
for
40:24
you
40:24
from
40:25
a
40:25
marketing
40:25
perspective?
40:25
Perspective.
40:26
So,
40:26
for
40:26
me,
40:27
it's
40:27
always
40:27
been
40:28
Google
40:28
and
40:29
it's
40:29
been
40:29
Instagram,
40:30
and
40:31
I'm
40:31
lucky.
40:32
What
40:32
I
40:32
do
40:33
is
40:33
still
40:33
fairly
40:34
niche.
40:34
I
40:34
know
40:34
in
40:35
America
40:35
it's
40:35
much
40:36
more
40:36
of
40:36
a
40:36
thing
40:37
to
40:37
have
40:37
a
40:37
live
40:38
artist
40:38
at
40:39
weddings.
40:39
In
40:40
the
40:40
UK,
40:40
it's
40:41
definitely
40:41
grown
40:42
a
40:42
lot
40:43
thanks
40:43
to
40:43
TikTok
40:44
and
40:44
all
40:44
those
40:45
videos
40:45
that
40:45
you
40:46
mentioned
40:46
where
40:46
guests
40:47
are
40:47
amazed
40:48
when
40:48
they
40:48
see
40:48
the
40:49
painting.
40:50
So
40:50
that's
40:50
really
40:51
helping.
40:51
So
40:51
that
40:51
does
40:52
also
40:52
mean
40:52
there
40:53
are
40:53
new
40:54
young
40:54
people
40:55
coming
40:55
on
40:55
the
40:55
scene
40:56
who
40:56
are
40:56
sort
40:57
of
40:57
maybe
40:57
copying
40:58
a
40:58
bit
40:59
what
40:59
some
41:00
other
41:00
artists
41:00
are
41:01
doing
41:01
out
41:01
there.
41:02
And
41:03
that's,
41:03
you
41:03
know,
41:04
that's
41:04
not
41:04
a
41:04
bad
41:04
thing
41:05
because
41:05
there
41:06
are
41:06
so
41:06
many
41:06
weddings
41:07
and
41:07
everybody's
41:07
got
41:08
different
41:08
tastes
41:08
and
41:09
different
41:09
styles.
41:10
So
41:10
that,
41:10
that's
41:11
all
41:11
good.
41:11
But
41:13
things
41:13
are
41:13
changing
41:14
a
41:14
bit.
41:16
But
41:16
for
41:16
me,
41:16
it's
41:17
still
41:17
very
41:17
much
41:18
Google
41:18
and
41:19
Instagram
41:20
and
41:20
of
41:21
course,
41:21
networking.
41:22
So,
41:23
as
41:23
you
41:24
always
41:24
say,
41:24
networking
41:25
is
41:25
important.
41:26
And
41:26
also,
41:27
you
41:27
know
41:27
how
41:27
people
41:27
always
41:28
want
41:28
to
41:28
see
41:29
instant
41:29
results,
41:30
but
41:30
you
41:30
don't
41:31
know
41:31
you
41:31
can
41:31
meet
41:32
someone.
41:32
And
41:33
of
41:33
course,
41:33
I
41:33
meet
41:33
a
41:33
lot
41:34
of
41:34
people
41:34
through
41:34
work
41:35
anyway,
41:36
so
41:37
I
41:37
might
41:37
meet
41:37
200
41:38
people
41:38
at
41:38
a
41:38
wedding
41:39
and
41:39
then
41:39
all
41:40
of
41:40
a
41:40
sudden,
41:40
four
41:40
years
41:41
later
41:41
you
41:41
get
41:42
a
41:42
call
41:42
because
41:43
they'd
41:43
like
41:43
to
41:43
book
41:43
you
41:44
for
41:45
a.
41:45
Another
41:45
event
41:46
or
41:46
another
41:46
wedding.
41:47
So
41:48
there's
41:48
not
41:48
an
41:49
instant
41:49
oh,
41:50
or
41:50
you
41:50
can't
41:50
always
41:51
work
41:51
back
41:52
like,
41:52
oh,
41:52
how
41:52
did
41:52
I
41:53
get
41:53
that
41:53
job?
41:53
Because
41:54
it's
41:54
this
41:54
kind
41:55
of
41:55
chain
41:55
reaction,
41:56
which
41:56
is
41:56
just
41:56
a
41:56
wonderful
41:57
idea
41:57
as
41:57
well,
41:58
is
41:58
that
41:58
the
41:58
more
41:58
you
41:58
do,
41:59
the
41:59
more
42:00
likely
42:01
something
42:01
will
42:02
happen
42:03
at
42:03
some
42:03
point.
42:04
And
42:04
that's.
42:05
I
42:05
love
42:05
it.
42:05
It's
42:06
a
42:06
bit
42:06
like
42:06
playing
42:06
the
42:06
lottery.
42:07
It's
42:07
always
42:08
knowing
42:08
that
42:09
something
42:09
can
42:10
pay
42:10
off
42:11
and.
42:11
But
42:11
it's
42:11
just
42:11
lovely
42:12
to
42:12
connect
42:12
with
42:12
people
42:13
and.
42:13
Yeah,
42:14
and
42:14
the
42:14
networking
42:16
is
42:17
really
42:17
important,
42:17
but
42:18
also
42:18
a
42:18
lot
42:18
of
42:18
fun.
42:19
So
42:19
I'm
42:19
a
42:19
member
42:19
of
42:20
rsvp,
42:21
for
42:21
instance,
42:22
and
42:23
that's
42:23
great
42:24
because
42:24
we
42:24
do
42:24
lots
42:24
of
42:25
international
42:26
conferences
42:27
and
42:28
it's
42:29
a
42:29
good
42:29
way
42:29
for
42:29
me
42:30
to
42:30
have
42:30
a
42:30
few
42:31
days
42:31
away
42:32
from
42:32
all
42:32
my
42:33
responsibilities
42:33
at
42:34
home
42:34
and
42:34
just
42:35
really
42:35
focus
42:35
on
42:35
work
42:36
and
42:36
be
42:37
with
42:37
all
42:37
my
42:38
friends
42:38
and
42:38
colleagues.
42:39
Colleagues.
42:39
I
42:40
love
42:40
it
42:40
when
42:40
that
42:40
happens.
42:41
I
42:41
absolutely
42:41
love
42:41
it
42:42
when
42:42
someone
42:42
pops
42:43
out
42:43
of
42:43
the
42:43
woodwork
42:43
a
42:43
few
42:44
years
42:44
later.
42:44
It
42:44
happens
42:44
to
42:44
be.
42:45
Sometimes
42:45
someone
42:45
will
42:45
say,
42:46
I
42:46
heard
42:46
you
42:47
speak
42:47
at
42:47
this
42:47
event
42:48
three
42:48
and
42:48
a
42:48
half
42:49
years
42:49
ago
42:50
and
42:50
now
42:50
I
42:50
decided
42:51
I
42:51
want
42:51
to
42:51
work
42:51
with
42:51
you,
42:52
or
42:52
now
42:52
I've
42:52
decided
42:52
I
42:53
want
42:53
to
42:53
book
42:53
you
42:53
for
42:53
something.
42:53
And
42:54
I
42:54
think,
42:54
wow,
42:55
I
42:55
didn't
42:55
even
42:55
think
42:55
I
42:56
got
42:56
anything
42:56
out
42:56
of
42:56
that
42:57
event
42:57
that
42:57
I
42:57
did
42:57
three
42:57
and
42:58
a
42:58
half
42:58
years
42:58
ago.
42:58
But
42:59
obviously
42:59
I've
43:00
had
43:00
enough
43:00
of
43:00
an
43:00
impact
43:01
that
43:01
you've
43:01
remembered
43:02
and
43:02
now
43:02
you
43:02
want
43:02
to
43:03
come
43:03
back.
43:03
And
43:03
I'm
43:03
sure
43:03
that
43:04
that
43:04
happens
43:05
and
43:05
you
43:05
see
43:05
that
43:05
happen
43:06
all
43:06
of
43:06
the
43:06
time.
43:06
And
43:06
it's
43:07
a
43:07
reminder.
43:07
Reminder
43:07
that
43:08
networking
43:08
and
43:09
building
43:09
connections
43:09
isn't
43:10
an
43:10
instant
43:10
gratification
43:11
thing.
43:11
It's
43:11
not
43:11
like
43:12
getting
43:12
likes
43:12
on
43:12
Instagram.
43:13
You
43:13
put
43:13
the
43:14
time
43:14
in,
43:14
but
43:14
if
43:14
you're
43:14
a
43:14
good
43:15
person
43:15
and
43:15
people
43:15
like
43:16
your
43:16
work
43:16
and
43:16
you
43:16
keep
43:17
in
43:17
touch
43:17
with
43:17
people
43:17
and
43:17
connect
43:18
with
43:18
people
43:18
on
43:18
LinkedIn,
43:19
Instagram,
43:19
Facebook,
43:20
wherever
43:20
it
43:20
is,
43:20
once
43:21
you've
43:21
met
43:21
them,
43:22
then
43:22
you
43:22
never
43:22
know
43:22
where
43:22
those
43:23
connections
43:23
might
43:23
lead
43:23
to.
43:24
Now,
43:24
talking
43:24
about
43:25
having
43:25
a
43:25
few
43:25
paid
43:25
days
43:26
away,
43:26
the
43:27
final
43:27
one
43:27
I
43:27
want
43:28
to
43:28
talk
43:28
to
43:28
you
43:28
about
43:28
is
43:29
where
43:29
we
43:29
first
43:29
met,
43:29
which
43:30
is
43:30
on
43:30
the
43:30
retreat.
43:31
And
43:31
it
43:31
was
43:32
great
43:32
having
43:32
you.
43:32
You
43:33
came
43:33
on
43:33
a
43:33
few
43:33
of
43:33
our
43:34
retreats,
43:34
mine
43:34
and
43:34
Kelly's
43:34
retreats.
43:35
We
43:35
love,
43:35
loved
43:35
it.
43:36
Why
43:36
is
43:36
it
43:37
that
43:37
you
43:37
think
43:37
it's
43:38
still
43:38
important
43:38
to
43:39
invest
43:39
in
43:40
your
43:40
education
43:40
and
43:41
in
43:41
your
43:41
business?
43:41
Even,
43:42
you
43:42
know,
43:42
10
43:43
years
43:43
in,
43:43
with
43:43
all
43:43
the
43:44
success
43:44
you've
43:44
had,
43:45
you
43:45
never.
43:45
Stop
43:45
learning,
43:46
do
43:46
you?
43:46
And
43:47
things
43:47
are
43:47
changing
43:48
all
43:48
the
43:48
time
43:48
as
43:49
well,
43:49
so
43:49
you
43:49
can
43:49
always
43:50
learn
43:50
more
43:50
and
43:51
you
43:51
can
43:51
meet
43:51
more
43:52
people
43:52
and
43:53
I
43:53
just
43:53
find
43:53
it
43:53
inspiring.
43:54
And
43:55
again,
43:55
this
43:55
is
43:55
where,
43:56
when
43:56
you
43:56
work
43:56
on
43:57
your
43:57
own,
43:58
you're
43:58
always
43:58
having
43:58
to
43:59
motivate
43:59
yourself
43:59
and
44:00
you
44:00
have
44:00
to
44:00
always
44:00
do
44:00
things
44:01
on
44:01
your
44:01
own.
44:01
But
44:02
it
44:02
also
44:02
means
44:02
you're
44:02
always
44:03
so
44:03
busy
44:03
you
44:03
don't
44:04
have
44:04
time
44:04
to
44:04
really
44:05
delve
44:06
in
44:06
deep
44:06
and
44:07
plan,
44:07
plan
44:07
and
44:08
look
44:08
at
44:08
what
44:08
you've
44:09
done
44:09
and
44:09
look
44:10
at
44:10
any
44:10
marketing
44:11
strategies.
44:12
And
44:13
that's
44:13
where
44:13
a
44:13
retreat
44:14
like
44:14
yours
44:15
is
44:15
perfect,
44:16
because
44:16
you're
44:17
away
44:18
from
44:18
your
44:19
work
44:19
environment
44:19
but
44:19
also
44:20
your
44:20
home
44:21
life.
44:21
So
44:21
nothing
44:22
to
44:22
distract
44:22
you,
44:23
just
44:24
time
44:24
dedicated
44:25
to
44:25
just
44:25
focusing
44:26
on
44:27
your
44:27
business
44:28
and
44:28
learning
44:29
more.
44:29
And
44:29
then
44:30
again,
44:31
it's
44:31
that
44:31
focus
44:31
getting
44:32
a
44:32
clear
44:32
idea,
44:33
well,
44:33
what
44:33
is
44:33
it
44:33
I
44:33
want
44:34
to
44:34
do?
44:34
Where
44:34
do
44:34
I
44:34
want
44:34
to
44:35
go?
44:35
And
44:35
you
44:35
always
44:36
learn.
44:36
I'm
44:36
sure
44:37
Richard
44:37
Branson
44:37
is
44:38
still
44:38
learning
44:38
now,
44:38
because
44:39
you.
44:39
You
44:39
can't
44:39
possibly
44:40
know
44:40
everything.
44:41
You
44:41
just
44:41
can't.
44:42
And
44:42
the
44:42
interesting
44:42
thing
44:42
I
44:43
find
44:43
is
44:43
actually
44:43
it's
44:44
my
44:44
most
44:44
successful
44:45
clients
44:46
that
44:46
put
44:46
the
44:46
most
44:47
emphasis
44:47
on
44:47
their
44:47
continued
44:48
learning.
44:48
And
44:49
I
44:49
don't
44:49
think
44:49
that's
44:49
an
44:49
accident.
44:50
I
44:50
think
44:50
that's
44:51
why
44:51
they're
44:51
some
44:51
of
44:51
my
44:52
most
44:52
successful
44:52
clients,
44:53
because
44:53
they're
44:53
continually
44:54
making
44:55
sure
44:55
that
44:55
those
44:55
young
44:56
people,
44:56
those
44:56
young
44:56
artists
44:57
coming
44:57
up
44:57
behind
44:58
them
44:58
aren't
44:58
overtaking
44:59
them
44:59
and
45:00
haven't
45:00
got
45:00
more
45:00
knowledge
45:01
than
45:01
them.
45:01
And
45:01
it's
45:01
important
45:02
that
45:02
we
45:02
keep
45:03
learning
45:03
and
45:03
keep
45:03
looking
45:03
at
45:04
what
45:04
things
45:04
are
45:04
changing
45:05
and
45:05
what
45:05
the
45:05
trends
45:06
are
45:06
and
45:06
what
45:06
the
45:06
next
45:06
generation
45:07
want
45:08
to
45:08
do.
45:08
And
45:08
so
45:09
that's
45:09
why
45:09
I
45:09
believe
45:10
you
45:10
are
45:10
continuing
45:11
to
45:11
be
45:11
successful
45:11
and
45:11
continuing
45:12
to
45:12
stay
45:12
at
45:12
the
45:12
top
45:13
of
45:13
your
45:13
game,
45:13
because
45:13
you
45:14
do
45:14
keep
45:14
that
45:14
as
45:14
a
45:15
priority.
45:15
And
45:15
you're
45:15
always
45:15
looking
45:16
at
45:16
how
45:16
you
45:16
can
45:17
move
45:17
that
45:17
needle
45:18
just
45:18
a
45:18
tiny
45:18
bit
45:18
better
45:19
and
45:19
make
45:19
everything
45:19
you
45:20
do
45:20
even
45:20
better.
45:21
Lucy,
45:21
it's
45:22
been
45:22
such
45:22
a
45:22
pleasure.
45:23
The
45:23
time
45:23
has
45:23
whizzed
45:24
by.
45:24
I've
45:24
loved
45:24
talking
45:25
to
45:25
you.
45:25
I
45:25
could
45:25
talk
45:25
to
45:25
you
45:25
for
45:26
ages
45:26
because
45:26
you've
45:26
lived
45:26
such
45:27
an
45:27
interesting
45:27
life
45:27
and
45:28
you've
45:28
met
45:28
so
45:28
many
45:28
interesting
45:29
people.
45:29
But
45:30
we
45:30
do
45:30
need
45:30
to
45:30
end
45:31
it
45:31
there.
45:31
I
45:32
always
45:32
end
45:32
my
45:32
podcast
45:33
with
45:33
the
45:33
same
45:33
question,
45:34
so
45:34
I'm
45:34
going
45:34
to
45:34
pose
45:34
that
45:35
to
45:35
you
45:35
now.
45:35
And
45:35
it's
45:35
this.
45:36
What
45:36
is
45:36
one
45:37
thing
45:37
you
45:37
wish
45:37
you'd
45:38
personally
45:38
known
45:38
sooner
45:39
in
45:39
your
45:39
own
45:40
business?
45:40
Probably
45:41
that
45:41
I
45:41
should
45:42
have
45:42
been
45:42
a
45:42
live
45:42
event
45:43
artist
45:43
from
45:43
the
45:43
start.
45:45
But
45:46
you
45:46
know
45:46
what?
45:46
There's
45:47
a
45:47
reason
45:47
everything
45:48
else
45:48
happened
45:49
first,
45:49
and
45:49
then
45:50
that
45:50
makes
45:50
you
45:51
who
45:51
you
45:51
are
45:51
now,
45:51
and
45:52
it
45:52
makes
45:52
you
45:52
more
45:52
focused
45:53
and
45:53
has
45:53
given
45:53
me
45:53
all
45:54
the
45:54
skills.
45:55
I'm
45:55
using
45:55
all
45:56
the
45:56
skills
45:56
that
45:56
I've
45:56
learned
45:57
over
45:57
the
45:57
years
45:57
to
45:58
now
45:58
be
45:58
this
45:58
live
45:59
event
45:59
artist.
46:00
I
46:00
think
46:00
earlier
46:01
on
46:01
in
46:01
my
46:01
career,
46:02
I
46:02
didn't
46:02
have
46:02
such
46:02
a
46:02
clear
46:03
direction.
46:03
I
46:03
was
46:04
trying
46:04
out
46:04
a
46:04
lot
46:04
of
46:04
different
46:05
things
46:05
because
46:06
how
46:06
can
46:06
you
46:06
possibly
46:07
know
46:07
when
46:07
you're
46:07
early
46:08
twenties
46:08
exactly
46:09
what
46:09
you
46:09
want
46:09
to
46:09
do?
46:09
Not
46:10
many
46:10
people
46:10
do.
46:10
Even
46:11
though
46:11
I
46:11
knew
46:11
I
46:11
wanted
46:11
to
46:12
be
46:12
creative,
46:12
I.
46:13
Yeah,
46:14
I
46:14
just.
46:15
Now
46:15
it's
46:15
all
46:16
just
46:16
making
46:16
so
46:16
much
46:17
sense.
46:17
But
46:17
aging
46:18
is
46:18
a
46:18
good
46:18
thing,
46:19
you
46:19
know,
46:19
it's
46:19
a
46:20
really
46:20
good
46:20
thing
46:21
because
46:21
things
46:22
fall
46:22
into
46:22
place
46:23
and
46:24
if
46:24
there's.
46:24
Someone
46:24
listening
46:25
that's
46:25
got
46:25
that
46:25
niggle
46:26
and
46:26
thinking,
46:27
I'd
46:27
love
46:27
to
46:27
do
46:27
something
46:28
a
46:28
bit
46:28
different,
46:28
or
46:28
I've
46:29
had
46:29
this
46:29
idea
46:29
to
46:30
do
46:30
something
46:30
a
46:30
bit,
46:30
bit
46:30
different,
46:31
but
46:31
I'm
46:31
not
46:31
sure
46:32
about
46:32
it.
46:33
Now
46:33
you've
46:33
done
46:33
that
46:33
and
46:33
you
46:34
made
46:34
that
46:34
transition
46:34
and
46:34
you
46:35
really
46:35
went
46:35
for
46:35
it.
46:35
Have
46:35
you
46:36
got
46:36
any
46:36
advice
46:36
for
46:36
them
46:37
about
46:37
what
46:37
they
46:37
should
46:37
be
46:37
doing
46:38
if
46:38
they're
46:38
thinking
46:39
that
46:39
through?
46:40
Definitely
46:40
talk
46:40
to
46:41
other
46:41
people
46:41
and
46:42
talk
46:42
to
46:42
experts
46:43
and
46:43
write
46:43
that
46:44
business
46:44
plan.
46:44
Don't
46:45
just
46:45
think
46:45
you
46:45
can
46:46
start
46:46
anything
46:47
just
46:47
on
46:48
a
46:48
whim.
46:48
You
46:48
know,
46:48
you
46:49
need
46:49
to
46:49
think
46:49
it
46:49
through,
46:50
you
46:50
need
46:50
to
46:50
do
46:50
your
46:50
research,
46:51
you
46:51
need
46:51
to
46:51
back
46:52
it
46:52
up.
46:52
But
46:52
there's
46:53
a
46:53
lot
46:53
of
46:54
even
46:54
free
46:54
advice
46:55
out
46:55
there
46:56
and
46:56
also
46:56
even
46:56
look
46:57
within
46:57
your
46:57
own
46:57
friends
46:58
and
46:58
family.
46:58
Is
46:58
there
46:59
maybe
46:59
someone
46:59
who's
47:00
an
47:00
expert
47:00
in
47:00
something,
47:01
who
47:01
doesn't
47:02
mind
47:02
sitting
47:02
down
47:02
with
47:02
you
47:03
one
47:03
evening
47:03
with
47:03
a
47:03
cup
47:04
of
47:04
tea
47:04
or
47:04
a
47:04
glass
47:04
of
47:05
wine,
47:05
going
47:05
through
47:06
your
47:06
ideas?
47:07
We
47:07
need
47:08
other
47:08
people.
47:08
We
47:09
need
47:09
to
47:09
bounce
47:10
ideas,
47:11
get
47:11
advice,
47:12
and
47:12
that's
47:13
so
47:13
exciting.
47:14
I'm
47:15
always
47:16
happy
47:17
to
47:17
talk
47:17
to
47:17
other
47:17
people.
47:18
I'm
47:18
actually
47:18
meeting
47:19
up
47:19
with
47:19
a
47:19
neighbor
47:20
tomorrow
47:20
who's
47:21
painting
47:22
and
47:22
wants
47:23
some
47:23
advice.
47:23
And
47:24
that's
47:24
great.
47:25
Help
47:25
other
47:25
people.
47:26
But
47:26
then
47:26
hopefully
47:26
other
47:27
people
47:27
will
47:27
help
47:27
you.
47:28
Absolutely.
47:29
Always
47:29
look
47:29
to
47:30
give
47:30
and
47:30
serve
47:30
where
47:31
you
47:31
can.
47:31
Lucy,
47:32
it's
47:32
been
47:32
so
47:33
much
47:33
fun
47:33
chatting
47:34
to
47:34
you.
47:34
I
47:34
hope
47:34
you've
47:35
enjoyed
47:35
it
47:35
as
47:35
much
47:35
as
47:36
I
47:36
have.
47:36
If
47:36
people
47:36
want
47:37
to
47:37
find
47:37
out
47:37
more,
47:37
connect
47:38
with
47:38
you,
47:38
talk
47:38
to
47:39
you,
47:39
or
47:39
even
47:39
book
47:39
you
47:40
for
47:40
an
47:40
event,
47:40
where's
47:40
the
47:40
best
47:41
places
47:41
for
47:41
them
47:41
to
47:41
find
47:42
you?
47:42
Yeah,
47:43
go
47:43
to
47:43
my
47:43
Instagram
47:44
Live
47:44
Event
47:45
Artist
47:46
or
47:46
my
47:46
website
47:47
live
47:47
eventartist.co.uk
47:49
and
47:49
yeah,
47:49
I'd
47:50
love
47:50
to
47:50
hear
47:50
from
47:50
you.
47:51
Amazing.
47:51
I
47:51
will
47:52
make
47:52
sure
47:52
I
47:52
post
47:52
that
47:53
in
47:53
the
47:53
show
47:53
notes
47:53
and
47:54
I
47:54
will
47:54
make
47:54
sure
47:55
I
47:55
post
47:55
the
47:55
picture
47:55
of
47:56
me
47:56
and
47:56
Kelly
47:56
that
47:56
Lucy
47:57
already
47:58
painted
47:58
for
47:59
us
47:59
to
47:59
go
47:59
alongside
48:00
this
48:00
episode
48:01
so
48:01
you
48:01
can
48:01
have
48:01
a
48:01
look
48:01
at
48:02
that.
48:02
Beautiful
48:02
work
48:03
as
48:03
well.
48:03
Lucy.
48:04
Thank
48:04
you
48:04
so
48:04
much.
48:04
I
48:05
hope
48:05
to
48:05
see
48:05
you
48:05
very
48:06
soon.
48:06
What
48:06
a
48:07
fantastic
48:07
episode.
48:08
I
48:08
always
48:09
love
48:09
talking
48:09
to
48:10
Lucy.
48:10
I
48:10
find
48:10
her
48:11
so
48:11
inspiring
48:11
because
48:11
she's
48:12
done
48:12
so
48:12
many
48:12
great
48:13
things
48:13
and
48:13
I
48:13
love
48:14
it
48:14
because
48:14
she's
48:14
an
48:14
action
48:15
taker.
48:15
She
48:15
knows
48:16
where
48:16
she
48:16
wants
48:16
to
48:16
go,
48:17
she
48:17
knows
48:17
what
48:17
she
48:17
wants
48:17
to
48:17
do
48:18
and
48:18
then
48:18
she
48:18
puts
48:19
the
48:19
steps
48:19
in
48:19
to
48:19
make
48:20
it
48:20
happen.
48:20
So
48:21
as
48:21
you
48:21
reflect
48:21
on
48:21
today's
48:22
episode,
48:22
what
48:23
is
48:23
it
48:23
that
48:23
you
48:24
want
48:24
to
48:24
do?
48:24
Where
48:24
is
48:24
it
48:25
that
48:25
you
48:25
want
48:25
to
48:25
go?
48:25
And
48:25
what's
48:26
the
48:26
next
48:26
step
48:26
you
48:26
need
48:27
to
48:27
take
48:27
to
48:27
see
48:28
that
48:28
through?
48:29
I'll
48:29
see
48:29
you
48:29
next
48:29
time.