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Interview with Tasha Gomes & Lisa Scott | Awakening Family Style · Alive & Kicking: Stories of Waking Up with Kay Eck

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Alive and Kicking Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Kay Eck, and this is where we talk to ordinary people about their extraordinary lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the podcast, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Before we get started today with my two sister guests, I'm super excited about, I just want to encourage you to go to my website and sign up for my newsletter if you're interested in learning more about the release of Dear Human, which hopefully is just about a month out right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today I have with me Tasha Gomes and Lisa Scott.
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  SPEAKER_00: And these two lovely ladies, I'm thrilled to be in your company.
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  SPEAKER_00: As I was saying earlier, I could feel your energy and power coming through really strongly before we came on.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you two have been walking an individual path side by side as sisters through this lifetime.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm so excited to have you both here because this isn't, I find something that's all that common.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think we we can learn a lot from your experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is the first time I've interviewed two people at once.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um yeah, so it's it's new for me, which is always exciting.
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  SPEAKER_00: And welcome, welcome, welcome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'm excited.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so let's dive in.
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  SPEAKER_00: So tell me about your your childhood and your sisterhood.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm mostly interested in knowing like how your two paths have been woven together in this lifetime.
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  SPEAKER_02: Natasha, would you like to go first?
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  SPEAKER_02: Or you're the older sisters, though.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Age before beauty.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I would say, you know, we are six years apart.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so with that, you know, when we were growing up, um, I was very used to being an only child.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was an adjustment when my sister came along.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh we certainly had our fair share of, you know, um our sibling squabbles as we were growing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but as we got older, um, and really I think the turning point for us was when I went away to college.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we I feel like that was the beginning of our relationship, of a real relationship.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh because we I missed her, you know, we had something to talk about.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, we could commiserate with, you know, the experience of living in the same household.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then I sort of had this freedom of, well, life is very different, you know, outside of our home, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, and just that that that shared sibling experience of growing up in the same house, but you can have very different experiences with your with your parents, you know, and and your other siblings.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um there was just a a bond that was really forged, really, I think when I when I did leave the nest, so to speak.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: How about you, Tasha?
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  SPEAKER_00: What was your childhood experience?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I would I remember growing up.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I'm a I'm a middle child and I'm a true middle child.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it, you know, like Lisa would have her friends and I'd want to play with her.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you know, she's like, Dad, can you, you know, tell her to stop, leave me alone?
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  SPEAKER_03: And it was like a moth to a flame sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, I just want to be around, you know, be around my sister.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you know, we had fun, but you know, there was just, I think, you know, the age difference.
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  SPEAKER_03: And honestly, like I think we both felt the same way because I remember when maybe it was that first Christmas you came home, and you know, Lisa was in the city, you know, not too far from home.
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  SPEAKER_03: But when she came back, it was like we could connect and we could talk.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and I think that's what started like our bond together and really started like that chapter of you know, friendship and you know, and sisterhood.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's like since then it was almost like we walked through that door together and we never looked back how it used to be.
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  SPEAKER_03: In fact, it gets stronger and stronger as we've gotten older as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what was your childhood like?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I would say we well, first of all, our parents um are immigrants.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we were from our my mom and dad, our mom and dad are from South America.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was born there in South America as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: So my sister, she's the American because she was born here, you know, we were super westernized, but but there was, you know, we had foreign parents.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll I'll say that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, so it was this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I felt like we always were sort of within uh different worlds.
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  SPEAKER_01: So here we are growing up in a very Midwestern suburban, you know, community, but it's pretty homogeneous.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not a lot of folks who look like us.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you learn to, you know, you learn to navigate different worlds.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then our parents, um, you know, they were still very tied to people in in their Caribbean community.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, so it was like you had this Western upbringing, you had this, you know, our we're from Guyana, South America.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we had this very Guyanese upbringing, you know, traditional food and and cultural practices.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it was just kind of learning where where am I in the world and which world am I in at this time?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because there wasn't always um um a merging of the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they were kind of separated.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I think my sister and I, we were very good at um meeting people where they are because we're just we're we're used to everyone.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe not everyone was used to us, but we were used to to everyone.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_03: How about you, Tasha?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, same.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, I just always remember, you know, there's like Caribbean music in the house, and then I would go hang out with my friends and they're all into alternative rock, and it was like, you know, living in two, you know, two different worlds, you know, even with um like food and um, you know, and then our friends would come over and it's like, well, what's that?
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, and it's like, well, you gotta try it to have it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think the blessing is, you know, that was kind of normal, like, okay, inside the household, this is what's going on, and then outside of the world, this is what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so to for me, it's very normal to, you know, just always be around different people and different experiences.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, whereas like someone who hasn't had that experience, you know, they're, you know, they have like wobbly legs almost.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, so so it was different, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think our parents, you know, they definitely worked a lot, you know, they came here and for the American dream.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um I even to this day, it's like, are you at work?
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  SPEAKER_03: Are you going to work?
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, it was like work, you know, work, work, work.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um, you know, sometimes that was a little challenging, you know, if they were almost a little too busy, but they were trying to take care of us.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, so there were just times where, you know, if there was any like miscommunication in the house or, you know, things kind of felt off, you know, we're like, well, they've got to work.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was almost like everything about life had to be put on the shelf because we're just trying to to survive, you know, it felt like.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we had to learn how to maneuver through that.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's so much, there's so much there that we could dive into.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, like I'm almost like overwhelmed by it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's funny that my uh I grew up in the Midwest, a small Midwestern suburb too, and my you know, experience was that homogeneous atmosphere.
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  SPEAKER_00: And although we had, you know, a few people of color, we there weren't very many, and it was hard to like, you know, you was hard to like break into those groups or whatever, but my children had somewhat of a different experience because we lived in a community that was um it was the hometown of world relief.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we had a lot of immigrant children in their school, all like probably 30 different countries were represented in that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they they got a really rich cultural experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I know, like as a parent, trying to connect with some of the immigrant families was really difficult because they were working so much.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there was this, you know, this they had to like keep a nice tight unit because that was the safety zone.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, they're in a new country, they had come from instable environments a lot of times, and so like as much as you want to, you know, integrate and become a community, sometimes that was really hard to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, how did you guys find your way into the community?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, Tasha was probably a little more natural for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'll ask Lisa, how did you find your way into the community and how did you assimilate or you know, what was that experience like?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think for me, I was two when I came here.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I don't have you know any memories of being in in Guyana, but I went back when I was nine and I remember when I came home and I was so excited and I was I was like talking like I was Guyanese and I had the accent and everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: My parents were like, what is wrong with you?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, you are here in the United States, you are speaking English, this is why we're here.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, don't do that, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was very like, oh, okay, hold on.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was always sort of, I sort of held things in, you know, as a result of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but um, you know, just going to school, I didn't feel any different.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I was very it was very welcoming.
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  SPEAKER_01: We had we grew up in a very nice community.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and and I think our parents were very deliberate um in choosing where um you know we where we did grow up because they felt, okay, we're gonna we're gonna put you in a situation where we know that you're gonna get a proper education, you know, and you're not going to be singled out or punished, um, you know, because of who you are.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're you're in a good environment.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so there was never, and it's funny, they didn't really discuss, you know, race ever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, it was just listen, we're all the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: You what makes you stand out, what makes you different is is how hard you work, how much you achieve, and that's what you need to focus on.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there was there was just a an unspoken um, you know, an uns an unspoken um rule in the house that your your your job is to achieve.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was the focus.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there were there was never um a distinction among people or and even yeah, so they were just very focused on on working hard and and being doing your best.
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  SPEAKER_03: And our family looks like a blend too, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it you know, if you know, we look like the United Nations, and um, so to me it never felt any different.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that was something that was very like firm in the house, you know, like you to be a good person and you know, work hard and respect people, and um, you know, so there was never any um differentiation about, you know, a person is a person, you know, as long as there's some kindness and um respect.
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  SPEAKER_03: That was very important.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, wow, that's that's beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what were some of the religious um or spiritual traditions of your family and home?
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  SPEAKER_01: So I would say our parents, they kind of had an interesting story.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were raised Catholic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, when they came here to the United States, um, my mom came first, and then I came, and my dad came.
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  SPEAKER_01: And my parents had to get married in order for my dad's visa to um, you know, be continued.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so they went to the Catholic Church and they explained that they were in a time crunch, you know, to get married because of the, you know, the immigration situation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and the priest said, you know, and I'm so sorry, but you have to take your, you know, pre-Cana classes and that's going to take time and we can't rush this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, so they said, sorry, we can't marry you, you know, in the time frame that you're asking.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that sort of upset my that upset my father.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he never went to church after that.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: And my mother, um, she wanted us, you know, to to experience, you know, faith and have, and um, so we we didn't go to a Catholic church, we ended up going to a Baptist church.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so I it's weird.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I have my like one foot is in the Catholic church, one foot's in the Baptist church.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, but they weren't overly religious, but they wanted us to have, you know, exposure and understand faith.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and my dad never spoke of going to church, he just didn't talk about it religion once once that situation happened.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so he was always very quiet about his faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: He always all and still to this day, he wears the cross, but I and he doesn't he just doesn't talk about religion, but I know he has faith.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, and I would say um, you know, so we went we went to church, and that was another thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the the church we went to um, you know, is predominantly black church.
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  SPEAKER_01: So here we are in a you know really white community, but we have a but we have a black church that we go to, and then they're like, Well, wait a minute, where are you guys from?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, then it was like, okay, well, even in within the black community, they're like, Well, you're not sometimes they would say, Well, you're not really black because you know, we weren't born here or or we ate different foods or our mom had an accent, you know.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: So um it was again that navigating the different worlds.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I think spiritually, you know, just having the experience of yes, going to um a Catholic church, I was confirmed and you know, but still would go to the Baptist church.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then um, you know, just meeting different people, going off to college, um, that just sort of opened the door spiritually, because then everybody from all different walks and faiths came together.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I I never felt like I had to pick one or the other.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just felt like it's a um it's like a buffet.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: To me, spirituality is like a buffet.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to pick, there's not one path or, you know, so um that I would say that was my experience with it.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: I think now that we're older, um, you know, I definitely feel like there's this bucket when it comes to religion and then spirituality, and you know, it's a dance, you know, but I feel like I'm more aligned, you know, within my spirituality as opposed to aligning to to one religion.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, if someone says, you know, how do you get through your faith and how do you get through your day?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_03: And I said, well, Jesus and Buddha, you know, are are like my uncles.
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  SPEAKER_03: They are they're my guiding force.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, so you know, I think it's you know, I think the base for any type of religion is like prayer and faith, you know, and and so for me it's been very important that I've aligned with what I gravitate towards more of, you know, I feel more, you know, more spiritual than I do religious.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I love the way you both have like a really fluid relationship with spirituality and and really it sounds like with life in general, which is such a gift that your your upbringing offered you, you know, like like it or not, you know, like take it off with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I I also really uh relate to your dad's experience because um I feel that I felt a similar, you know, brokenheartedness over the rejection of something that you're so devoted to, and to realize that you're not welcome within that, yes, within the parameters of that, is a particular type of heartbreak that is um, you know, for your dad, it sounds like it was almost unspeakably difficult.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly, yes.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, it was like the break that I needed.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was like the um the lightning bolt, you could say, that turned me dramatically in the opposite direction.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I spent a little bit of time, you know, being lost between those two worlds, but eventually, you know, found my way to spirituality.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it sounds like um that was a little bit more natural for both of you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I thank God for that experience because the other one is not there.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I think there are there are many, there are many paths, you know, and but I think what's nice about spirituality is you can come in at from any angle.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I I think if you're if you get kind of confined to you know one religion versus the other, and depending on how strict you are with that, you know, it can it can be limiting.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I can I think it can limit your perspective.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like spirituality just oh completely opens the door.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Tasha, um you're you have this, you know, like a really sweet and jovial acceptance of this um, you know, picking up off the off the platter of life and to to in whatever way serves you.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm wondering how that came about.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: Was what was your path that led you to this sort of really open-hearted acceptance of different ways of being?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think if um, you know, like Teak Not Han, he says no lotus, no mud, you know.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: So there's been some muddy moments in my life.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: And I think um, you know, like how Lisa said with the path, you know, you can choose, you know, is this, you know, am I gonna grow from what I what has happened to me?
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, I'm a single parent.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Lisa, she's got a great, I got a great brother-in-law, so um, and a niece and nephew.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but for me, it was, I think just a few experiences with um, you know, like growing up in the household, there, you know, the communication wasn't good between our parents, you know, we could kind of see some, you know, pretty rough moments with fighting and and that kind of blocked me from speaking.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: I just always like could feel it, but could never speak it.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and as I got older and you know, I had a relationship, and then that failed, and I had another relationship, and I'm like, you know what, the pattern, I think some of the patterns I saw growing up, I was taking it into my adulthood.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: And part of me subconsciously was like, something's not right here, you know, and I just was, you know, I love to read, I love to learn.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so I decided to go to therapy.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I went about four years ago, and literally every resource, every book, you know, my therapist gave me, I just became the sponge.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, well, let me practice this and and let me learn this.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: And um once I learned about like my sensitivities, I learned about being an empath, I got the list of what an empath is, and I literally like check the box off of everything, and it it opened me up, and I feel like I'm more aligned with who I who I really am.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: And um, you know, I'll be 41 next month, and it's like I haven't felt this happy in a really long time.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I think when you can share your pain and share with what's happened, it allows other people to share their story.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, so I think I'm just in this um realm of empowerment, and you know, just and I feel like the more I expand, I meet people that are also expanding as well.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_03: So um I'm very uh alert with my circle and who I like to be around, but then the universe also brings people into my life because I'm open as well.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, yes, I can relate to that too.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: So can you talk a little bit about some of those?
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because what you're talking about is like being vulnerable to those challenges in your life that change you.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: Can you talk a little bit about maybe a significant one that you were able to like either changed your path or helped you to step onto the spiritual path?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oh goodness.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, probably got a few here.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, one of the things that we had Lisa and I both experienced in the household was um my mother, she had a gambling addiction and we had to learn to live with an addict.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um That was tough.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: That was really hard.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's like here in the physical body, like you're our mom, you know, but like inside, you know, and and you know, I think because Lisa and I are just very like understanding people and we take the time to be like, what's really going on here?
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we kind of just had to feel like, well, who's our mom?
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: And what did what did mom go through, you know, that you know, those things happened and you know, led her to, you know, to gambling so much.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: So I just kind of felt that what I had to learn from that was I think we get mirrors or people that show up in our life, and sometimes they come as our mom or a dad or a sibling or a friend.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, paying attention to the lessons that kind of come along with it.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I, you know, I'm a believer where it's like sometimes I don't think people mean to hurt you, but if they're in a hurt energy field, that's all they can give you.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so you know, for me, it was kind of like I didn't like how I felt.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't like how the um situation felt, the energy in the room felt.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like there has to be something more than this.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_03: And that was really exciting to uncover about myself.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_03: So now it's like, you know, I just tell people, you know, I can only give you so much because I of the capacity.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, I just it's like all these new words that I have in my toolbox.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's once again hard to go back to what it used to be like and what it used to feel like.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's um such a formative experience that you went through.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm so intrigued by your focus on her and her the challenges that led her to the state that she was in rather than how it was affecting you.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Was that something that you you guys both also had to deal with?
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think especially when you're an you're empathic, you can you're you're feeling all of the trauma and struggle and difficulty that your mother is going through, and you're also living through your own at the same time.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're young, you don't really know the difference between the two.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: So did you guys navigate that?
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I mean, I'll say for me, um I know this is gonna sound silly, but I say the television saved my life.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: I would never tell anybody, don't watch TV.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: I I I grew up in an area in the era of Oprah, and I I watched her when I was a teenager.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I so seeing other people telling their stories and and getting help and and seeing that, oh, there isn't there shouldn't be shame attached to sharing and and it has a purpose, it can be powerful.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I feel like that's that saved me.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so if there was, you know, any therapist she had on, I watched, I read books, um, and I became very devoted to just learning.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I, and as I, and I think as we both grew older, um, you know, we learned because I think there's there's so much packed into, you know, if you when you call someone mom or dad, you know, there's this image you have in your mind and and and an ideal that they're supposed to live up to.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, I had to learn that this is a person first.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: And and all people have problems and and everyone is flawed.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think they were people just trying to do the best they could with the tools that they had.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so once once I was able to kind of come to that realization, there was a lot of forgiveness, a lot of compassion.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and then also there was just there was healing that that came with it.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: And and I could learn to let go and not feel like, well, this is something I have to carry to, or or something that I have to continue.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so really just yes, thank goodness people write books and go on TV and now host podcasts and you know, because it it is helpful.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: It is really it's it's so therapeutic.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: So um I I couldn't agree with you more.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think there are millions of us who've been saved by and her guests.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: I I I mean, I'll tell you that's um definitely, and even in my work, um, you know, I I um I've been a nurse for 23 years, and you know, I um I think the greatest gift I received working um in my profession is the is the awareness of gratitude and and just living with gratitude.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: If if you approach everything with gratitude, you know, even those those painful things, they they're valuable lessons.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, so when you have when someone is not well, if they're physically sick or emotionally not well, you know, if you have if you have gratitude, compassion, all of those things together really you can help solve so many problems.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: You can, you know, and and you can you can help other people on their path too.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: You can, you know, um be that positive influence on their journey as well.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: So um, Tasha, let me ask you, when when did you become aware that you were on a spiritual path?
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: And and was there a point at which your life became the spiritual path that because it seems I've been observing you online.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: This is the first time we're meeting in the quasi, you know, personal space, but I've been following you online and it feels like you're spirit-led, like your life is spirit-led.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, how did you come to that place?
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, thank you.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: So, yes, I want to say um, you know, like when Lisa was younger and she gravitated towards Oprah, like when I got older and Oprah started doing Super Soul Sunday, and I'd start watching that, and it just really like I couldn't stop watching.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_03: And then she had Carolyn Mays on, and she talked about Anatomy of the Spirit, and it's like, okay, well, let me get that book.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: And then she had Michael Singer on and who talked about Untethered Soul.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: So I would say maybe the last like six or seven years, I just like my heart would beat a certain way, or you know, that voice inside me, like, let's keep watching, let's keep listening for this.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then once again, you know, with therapy and and learning about the empath, but it's like all these great, you know, Deepak, Chopra, and you know, Michael Singer, and and so so I would say about six, seven years ago, and I think the biggest word that I didn't we didn't grow up really hearing was boundaries.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: And who did?
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, here I am, I'm you know, 35 years old, and you know, my therapist, she's like, have you ever heard of boundaries?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I I literally did like the head tilt, and I'm like, what's that?
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I mean I felt like I was like born again when when she said that.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so once again, the tools and the books and the resources, and I just there was a part of me where it's like this voice, you know, keep going, keep going.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, my intuition, my third eye, like it's just so um, you know, I feel like I finally wear my cape, my superhero cape, how it should be, where I was, you know, you know, wearing what was given to me as a kid, you know, like here, you know, this you deal with this, you put up with this, this is how it is.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: And now I'm like, oh, I can I can put some boundaries around this, you know, no is a complete sentence.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: And um, something else that I used to do was rescue energy, where I thought, you know, like as much as I've as I'm an empath, I was going about it the wrong way.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, oh, that's not how you love people.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_03: It you know, when you try to rescue people, it's it's really unhealthy.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, once I realized like the energy that I was giving to people, um what it was such a shift once I realized, you know, the way that I was trying to help people.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: And now, you know, where I'm at, it's like once again, everyone has something going on or something happens, you know, but it's the way I am there for that person.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas before, like, well, let me try to fix it, let me try to do it.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_03: And once again, it's the language, you know, there's just certain certain words or certain ways we don't know that we're doing something until it's you know in your face, and then you're like, oh yeah, and it's the shift, it's the shift.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: So once once that shifted, then everything else started to shift for me in my soul.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: I can so relate to that because I've been running the rescuer program since I was a little kid, and um, I just this year realized how disrespectful it is.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's it's a bit dishonoring as well.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's dishonoring to their to their to the other person's journey that there's something wrong with what's going down when you know now that it's actually serving them in so many ways, and you're just disrupting it.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're coming in and tampering with their path.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: And boy, that was a hard lesson for me to learn.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: I had to learn like the difference between um rescuing and generosity, you know, like there's a big difference, and it's important to know what's what.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it sounds to me like Tasha, your path has been um somewhat leaning toward the mystical, and Lisa, you sound like your path has lent has leaned a little bit toward how do I like pragmatic almost, like you're the way that you're serving in your profession and um all of that.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: So, how do you guys merge the two of those together?
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Your understanding of those, like what Lisa, are you drawing from Tasha and Tasha, what are you drawing from Lisa?
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I will say um, you know, when Natasha uh recognized that she was an empath, you know, that was um that was something that was very um, it was intriguing to me because I felt like, okay, there is a label for this, you know, be you know, I I knew her, I knew her personality, but I, you know, I didn't know, oh, there's there's a word for this, there's a term for this.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and you know, we always had very good, deep conversations.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: We can always laugh and um, you know, and then we start and we sort of talk about, you know, um spirituality more.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: And yes, and and yes, definitely the mystical, and then I've I had certain experiences that I shared with her, and because I thought, well, I can't tell anybody else this, you know, I like I can tell my sister.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: And and we found that we had these um these similar experiences with spirit, and then it was like, oh my gosh, this is my spirit sister too, you know, not just my my sister, but she's like this is my soul sister as well.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and yes, you know what, I am very um, I am very pragmatic, and because yes, I you know, studied nursing, and so there's an art of you know, science and and compassion.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's a blending of you know um of different worlds.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that and again, growing up, I had this blending of worlds.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I felt like there's always for me, there's always a blend.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: There's always a blend.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: And when I when I started to have these um these experiences, you know, of course my left brain is thinking, well, how how can that be?
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: You need to figure this out.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then I then I was reading some more, and then I looked at the law of conservation of energy, and and I recognized, okay, you know, energy, it's neither created nor destroyed, it's just transferred from one form to another.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then it made sense.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I could, I could wrap, I could say, oh, this this is energy, and this is what's happening with energy.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I the pragmatic part of me, you know, that logical side of my brain could could really um have perspective about the mystical side of of life.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and so for me that was very comforting, and she is she was already on that path, and she kind of helped guide me.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it was, I feel like she's the bigger sister spiritually, and and I'm the bigger sister, you know, I guess in the in the physical sense.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the practical stuff, yeah.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, how about you, Tasha?
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness, we just have such great yin yang because I know, you know, like before I had all this language with you know being an empath and owning, you know, my spirituality, it's like, you know, Lisa, you know, college, marriage, kids, you know, I was like high school, party, little college.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, let's party some more.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, I had a baby, but throughout it all, like, even though Lisa's life was going in this direction and mine is going in another, like we stayed on the same path together as sisters.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so that's been great.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like, you know, she's like my she roll because I'm like, okay, I I know I gotta work on that.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like, let me, you know, get a good career going.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, so so much of really who I am now is, you know, really dedicated to my sister.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, I went back to college, I got my bachelor's at 35, and you know, and I thought, okay, I need to get my shit together.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_03: And and and then all the other things, you know, like I, you know, like the panic attacks.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: I used to have really bad panic attacks and depression.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_03: And once again, once I learned about being an empath, and I realized, you know, sometimes the energy in the room isn't mine, it is someone else's.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_03: And that was such a game changer for me.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: That, you know, even like on the phone or Zoom, you know, or in a room, it, you know, before I panic or get worked up, I check in with myself, you know, is this me, you know, or is this someone else?
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, there's also a third sibling, our brother Chris.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_03: And Chris is younger than us, so he's 10 years younger than me, and he's 16 years younger than Lisa, but Chris is autistic.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_03: And um, so he's nonverbal.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: And so growing up, it was all about body language.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: That was the only way we could figure out no, is he okay?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_03: What is he really saying?
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_03: And so for me, you know, someone how they walk into a room or just how they are, I'm really having a conversation with body language than than a verbal conversation.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so you know, just you know, growing up, but then you know, just learning so much.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like Lisa and I just have this good ebb and flow where maybe where she's at, I need to get there.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_03: And then where I'm at, Lisa's like, I need I need that as well.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so it's kind of nice that it's you know, we I feel like we're one unit sometimes, you know.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_03: Lisa has like the cutest little girl ever, my niece Nina.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_03: And when I come over, she like sits in the kitchen, she's watching us, you know, but she's listening because she's like, Oh, you two are funny, you know, but it's like we're just one person sometimes.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it it's you know, I feel like in sacred contracts, this book that Carolyn Mays wrote, you know, everything was written, you know, everything was already like predestined for us.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's how I feel.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, we were supposed to come through our parents, you know, be Guy knees, have this skin, have have this hair, have this characteristic trait.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, so like we are supposed to go through life together.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's like I have like goosebumps this through this whole conversation because it's it's one thing to have a sister, it's one thing to have a soul sister, but when they're both the same, it's like, oh my god, the gift of it is immeasurable.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_03: I can't even imagine that you you hear some siblings, they're like, I don't talk to my sister, or yeah, I only see her once a year, and I I would die.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: And oh my gosh, God bless your parents for having three only children.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, yeah, right.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of crazy how that works.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's really crazy, you know.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like probably, I'm sure there were many reasons why it occurred that way, but you know, and of course it was predetermined, right?
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: But um, so um how are you how are you living your lives today?
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: What what role does spirituality um take in your careers in your case, Lisa?
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, in your case too, Tasha, like how is that presenting?
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: How is it normalizing in your life?
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I think um, you know, my feeling is we are we're spiritual beings having a human experience.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I, you know, when when you look at it that way, you know, you can you can really approach people with compassion.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so certainly in my in my work, you know, I've had and dealing with people who are not well, you know, you you have to have compassion.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: So so much of my life is just um, I mean, you don't walk around with a bleeding heart, but you you you just have compassion for people and and you understand that this is a journey that we're all on and we're all trying our best, you know, we're trying to get through it.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think spirituality really um it makes the journey more interesting, it makes it more um more rich.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, I I'm just very thankful for all of the moments.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, whether they're and I've you know, we've all had tough moments and and difficult things happen, but you know, um, but I've gotten through them.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I would and I've been so blessed to to have a sister to to go through those things with and someone to share those things with.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, I I feel like we're just um we have to make the most of our our time here and the journey, just enjoy the journey, you know, and yeah, spirituality just makes that so much better.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I I really recommend to everybody to find yourself a spiritual buddy if you can, because when you're going through those challenges, it's so helpful to have somebody who's not in a challenge to remind you of the lesson that can will be gained at some point, even though when you're going through it, it's like you don't want to hear about any data.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, no, no, thank you.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like I know that you know, if I my one of my toughest things is the physical.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: So when I when something happens to me physically, I feel like my world has betrayed me and I cannot get the the lesson from it.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like I need time, and if I don't have somebody to like listen and bounce things off of, it's just so much more difficult.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh so, Tasha, what is the role of spirituality in your life right now?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, it's my husband, my best friend.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_03: I it's hard to not start my day with it and you know, and end my day.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I and I think once again, the toolbox, you know, like when you tell people listen to your gut or you know, that voice inside you or your intuition, you know.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_03: So I I think, you know, this umbrella of spirituality, there's so much that you can choose from, you know, and you and you have a lot that that you can work with.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_03: And so for me, um, you know, it's you know, once again, it's the books and um, you know, like Lisa and I are both in healthcare.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_03: And we even like, I I feel like since I've become very aligned with myself and and what gets me out of bed and what makes me feel good, it's it's opened the door to just opportunities professionally and personally.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, even you know, as an empath and I work in like corporate America, I'm in, you know, the pharmaceutical industry.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's like I sometimes it's can be challenging, you know, where there's these like stoic people and I'm a sensitive person.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: But yet when we all work together like on a team meeting, there's this vulnerability that shows up.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes I feel like I know I prayed for this and I did get it.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so I think, you know, people, it's like, you got to do the work, you have to be accountable for it.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_03: You know, but if you trust, you know, the right people, the right opportunities, they're always there.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, but it's not like a movie where after two hours they're married and riding off in the sunset.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it takes work.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so now that I look back, it's like, oh yeah, I've been doing this for a while now.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, but it's like I would never go back and change it.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_03: I needed to go through, you know, some of those years that was challenging, you know, to get to where to where I'm at.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I always say every brick somebody threw at me, I built a palace.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: So oh, I love that.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's so beautiful.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, as you're speaking, I'm I'm just being reminded that um, you know, the I think what what the spiritual life um brings to you is it attunes you to the life that is lived beyond what you're seeing.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: And that and so that brings you into a place of richness and depth that just is not there if you're not attuned to it.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so it it's like it in some ways it makes life more challenging, but in other ways it makes it so much more in all the ways, it makes it more rich and exciting.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: And at least that's my experience.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_03: But I think it's a gift as well.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, something that Lisa and I, you know, we've we've been very fortunate, at least I feel with spirit, you know, that you know, sometimes it's like loved ones who have passed away, they will come to us and we give a message to some people we don't even know sometimes, you know, and as like the soul sister, we talk about it, like, oh my gosh, I was able to share this with someone.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so for me, it's like, you know, what what we have been given here on Mother Earth, uh it's like I'll take it, I'll use it, you know, if that's what I'm supposed to do.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, for me it's very exciting that I've gotten to this place where I don't it doesn't take away, it adds value to to me and to others.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's beautiful.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: All right, ladies, would you be interested in switching over to our lightning round?
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, sure.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's start with we'll start with Tasha on this round and then we'll move to Lisa.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: What would you say are the highs and lows of sisterhood?
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh goodness.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: So the highs are we can laugh and joke, um, our text messages are funny, our conversations are funny.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think the lows, um, I am somebody that needs to process, um, even to this day.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like if there's something jarring or it takes me a while to kind of process my feelings with it.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_03: And Lisa gives me the best advice like all the time.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes if I'm like, oh, she just she's in my business, she knows what to tell me, and I just don't want to hear that right now.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_03: And she knows when I need my space.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_03: So, but then like if we don't talk for a day, which doesn't happen too often, she's like, Where is where are you?
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I know I say I do are you done falling out?
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_03: That's okay.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_03: I I am the ice queen, so she'll send me like you know, Elsa and Anna from Frozen, and I'm like, Okay, yes, I'm icy right now, but you know, so that's the low.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like if I'm just kind of having a lull, you know, she does respect my space, but deep down it's like, you better get back here, you know.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's so cute.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_03: What about you, Lisa?
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_03: Highs and lows.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, highs definitely it's just uh there's always you always have someone supporting you and that that has your back.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, I joke, I say, this is my wife.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I have a husband, but I have a wife too.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and um that, you know, that's always amazing.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and the lows, I you know, I think um it's when it's maybe those moments where I can I kind of give tough love sometimes.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: And and as Natasha said, she has to process.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes she kind of gets she'll get quiet, and I'm like, oh, okay, I know I've I was probably a little too tough, or you know, she didn't appreciate the tough love yet.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I I just have to back off and I give her that space.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then yes, I always text her, are you done thawing yet?
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then we get back to you know, to things.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, but it's it's it's such a gift to to have a sister.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, um, let's go with Lisa first this time.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: What movie could you watch over and over again?
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh, Forest Gump.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: I've only seen that once and I haven't seen it since it came out.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: I could I I mean it's it's embarrassing.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: I love that movie.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm gonna watch it again.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_00: I might watch it tonight.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: What about you, Tasha?
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the color purple.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I haven't seen that one either.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've seen it, but I haven't seen it again.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna watch them both.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for the recommendations.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and you know what, or steel, watch steel magnolias.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we both love that one.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, gotcha.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: I have too many recommendations now.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: That made my day.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm always looking for recommendations.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Tasha, what is your most acute sense?
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_03: I I think being an empath and picking up on body language, you know, I call it my sixth sense.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it's I mean, I could I could feel something happening before it happens.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's a blessing and a curse.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's a curse, yeah, it's a blessing and a curse.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like the antenna, like I I tweaked it and now it's like it's right where it needs to be.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, so what about you, Lisa?
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: I would say um I'm a great listener.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a very, very good listener.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and our kind of going back to our mom, she talked all the time.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I said I I was a great listener from the get-go.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think that makes me a good um when you know, as a clinician, it makes me um a really good clinician because I I pay attention and and people can open up to me because they know I'm listening.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I I would say that's my gift for sure.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: My special sense, yeah.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's beautiful.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, so Tasha or Lisa, if you had to choose just one, which would serve you best, courage or tenacity?
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: I would say um I would say tenacity.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I don't like to give up.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, and I and I think that I think I can give you courage.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for sure.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_03: How about you, Natasha?
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_03: Tenacity.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_03: I am it's hard for me to hear no.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like what?
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_03: Say that again.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_03: We we can't do this, or you this can't be done.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm someone that always says, where's the win-win?
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_03: You know, there's there's always a way to balance out how you can be content and so can I.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so for me, that's amazing.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's actually amazing because what you're saying is that you're willing to go to keep going until you get to that point where there's where there's true resolution.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: Not like it's so easy to stop at the differences because it's too hard.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like you're way over there and I'm way over here.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like, let's just walk away.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it sounds like you're willing to go continue down the path.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_03: And for me, it's like I'm always looking for the win-win for myself, with others, a project.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_03: You know, how does this, you know, how does that balance out for everyone that's involved?
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's amazing.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh what, Tasha, are you most looking forward to right now?
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, with work or personal or what's the one thing you're most looking forward to?
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, well, I started the website called Divine Life Motivation.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I honestly look forward to growing that with my sister.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_03: And that I'm just excited.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like once again, all the work that I've done on myself, I just want to pay it forward.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so that's what I look forward to.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, can you tell us a little bit about that?
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: What is it, what's the site all about?
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so the site is about energy and um law of attraction, um, law of manifestation.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like it's like this this world where you know people just need like a dose of feel good that they can come there.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, I've listed like crystals and you know, things that are good for you know your energy.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um, if people want to become a client and you know, work with them and you know, all the tools that I've had access to, you know, to pay it forward and to give it back.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, my vision for divine life motivation is you know, one day like have a retreat and a weekend, and it's all about empowerment, you know, learning that everyone has this gift, and you know, if you're open to tuning into it, you know, your people are just powerful beyond measure.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_03: They they just don't even know it.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_03: And and so to be a vessel to share that, you know, that's my tenacity, you can do this, you know.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so that's what that's my go-to right now.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's amazing.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, of course, we'll put all the information about that in the notes.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, what about you, Lisa?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, you know what?
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: I um I would say just being a part of the journey with my sister.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's something that I'm definitely uh looking forward to.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I think I just as I get older, you know, I realized, you know, every decade of my life is different.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, as my my children get older, you know, um just the evolution of my relationship with with my sister, with my kids, with my husband, you know, I'm I'm sort of um very interested to see who am I going to become, you know, and and it's exciting.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: I really um I really look forward to, you know, all of those changes, all of those good milestones, and you know, um, and just welcome welcoming them with with grace.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's really important for people to know um that what we're really going through is this shedding of all the the false things that we aren't.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then you're constantly revealing a new self.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: And in the beginning, that process is really hard and really scary, but eventually it becomes like a joy, you know.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you're it's like, wow, what can I do next?
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm amazing, you know, like right, yeah.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely, definitely.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_00: So, did you guys bring a question for me today?
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_03: I do, I do.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_03: So I read your book, um, your first book, and it was beautiful, I have to say.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_03: So kudos.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_03: Great job.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_03: And my question is, is there something that you wish you didn't put in the book?
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_03: And is there also something you wish you would have added that's not in the book?
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, this could not be any more timely because I was just talking to somebody about that yesterday.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: So um weirdly, when I wrote that book, I um it was it was I started writing as a way to process everything I was going through because I was hit with a number of huge things at the same time.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: There's probably like five life-changing things that occurred for me in a very short amount of time.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_00: And um, the the so at the time it was very cathartic and it was a good thing for me.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I understood that it was fairly raw and fairly personal, but it felt right to me.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: When I go back to read it now, I think like, wow, that is really personal.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's harder for me to read now than than it was back then.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that means that I would have changed anything, but I certainly have a different experience with it.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: And the other thing is that what I didn't talk about in that book, that that book wasn't really about that, but I almost wish I could write another book because that represented the phase that I was in.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_00: There was a phase that came after that, and we're talking my the the my book is about divorce and self-love.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: So what I didn't experience at that time that I had written the book was all the anger and rage that I had within me that I hadn't yet expressed because I just hadn't yet uncovered it.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't um anger and rage at my partner at the time.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was about what I allowed myself to do, to be, to accept of myself and the time that I had wasted being a smaller version of myself, you know, like that just created all this like inner fire and like forgiveness that I had to do for myself.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it it's not that I would have done anything different, but it feels like there it might be useful to write a second book about it, you know.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, you have some time to reflect, you know.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: So and and I in it and it just uh my experience of it just continues to evolve.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_00: So it's I mean, it was such a momentous occasion, you know, of ending a 30-year marriage is not is not for the faint of heart.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, but well, I just want to go ahead.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think it's beautiful because you know, like Lisa said, as we get older, you know, there's there's different versions of us.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_03: And what you have also expressed and shown is like you give someone else grace, like if they end up going through that, you just don't know how many people you've helped with that.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I'm sure you do, but I'm just saying, you know, it's so powerful when you know we can kind of like stand up as a woman and own, you know, what we want, and you know, maybe it it might hurt some people along the way, but it, you know, I think how you asked, are we courageous and tenacious?
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, I appreciate your courage in that book.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_00: I really appreciate that.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's been delightful to have you guys here, and now I want to come and like have coffee with you guys.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to be like a fly on the wall and just see how you guys go back and forth.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_00: But thank you so much for being with me today.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: I have loved every second of it.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank you.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_00: This has been wonderful.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we enjoy this.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe we'll be back another time.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: I hope so.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, thank you.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you, Kay.