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Astrology, Ancestors & the Horse Soul: Reading the Stars for Riders | Denise Elizabeth Byron | LFRF 53 · Live Free Ride Free with Rupert Isaacson

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Welcome back.
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As always, I've got someone very exciting.
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This is Denise Byron, and some of you may know her from podcasts with, for
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example, Warwick Schiller and others, and she's sort of become the horse
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person's astrologer in a strange way.
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And I was lucky enough to meet Denise at Warwick Schiller's journey on summit
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in England year and a half or so ago.
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And we were both speakers there.
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And I'm always a little bit afraid when I meet astrology witchy people,
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'cause I always think they, they're going to see right through me and see
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what an imposter I am in every way.
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And so I tend to run and hide in other parts of the building.
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But then I, I met Denise and found that in fact, no, she
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was very warm and empathetic.
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And so I've worked up the courage to have her on the show and therefore to
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ask her all the sort of astrology type questions, particularly from a horseman's
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perspective that I think a lot of us would like to ask, but often feel a bit shy too.
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So Denise, thank you for coming on.
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Can you tell us who you are and sort of why you are and
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how you came to be as you are?
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Oh, that's a great question.
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Well, like you, I am a curious person, so that's the who of who I am.
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I'm curious.
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I want to learn as much as I can.
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I want to be present.
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I, how I came to be doing the work that I do starts when I was very young.
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So I'll just, it's a long, long story, but I'll, I'll try to do my best to
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make it concise when I was quite young.
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I just love to look at the sky.
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I love, I mean like all kids, right?
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Lay on the ground, look at the stars, watch what's happening around us, and
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that feeling of wonderment never left.
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Mm-hmm.
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It just never left.
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And when I was eight years old, and this is a different part of the story, but
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all combined, my grandmother died and she was very, very much a part of my life.
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A beautiful woman, very kind, very loving gone way too young, of course.
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But the night she died, I didn't realize she was dying.
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She showed up in my room and we lived 3000 miles apart.
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Rupert Isaacson: Where were you?
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: I was in California and she was in New York.
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Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: And there she was, and I thought, huh.
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Grandma's visiting.
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Cool.
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And then I woke up the next morning or got up the next morning and my mother
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had to tell me that she had died.
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And I was very distraught.
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I was only eight, so I don't, maybe I was even seven, seven or eight.
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And I just, I, I knew that death was bad in some form.
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Like I knew I was gonna miss.
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I mean, was it bad?
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No, not really bad.
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But something had changed that everyone was sad and I had had cats pass before and
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dogs, and so I knew that there was death was something that you should realize.
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Side note, having me on a podcast means we're going to
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talk about death at some point.
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This is just a normal thing.
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So death meant something very significant and I, I knew that I was gonna miss
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seeing my grandmother in person.
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That being said, I was somewhat amused at the fact that I
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could actually talk to her.
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So of course I said that to my mother.
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I said, well, I mean, whatever words my 8-year-old self said, I understand
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she's gone, but she's in my room.
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Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: And fortunately my mother understood
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because my mother had that, had a very similar gift in that way as well.
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So,
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Rupert Isaacson: your mother put her broomstick in the corner and
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: said, yeah, she now listen,
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Rupert Isaacson: sticking my child.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
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I think it would've been better if all the women had just done that actually.
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It would've just been a lot easier to just, but, but not
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so much during that time.
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Actually, I will say from a more serious point of view, women really have had to
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struggle to be themselves over the years.
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That is, that is actually true.
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Anyway.
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So talking to my grandmother, starting to notice things are a little different.
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Starting to see other things that apparently other people can't see.
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Rupert Isaacson: Quick pause question.
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Yes.
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So she doesn't just show up in your room that one time and disappears,
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: oh no,
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Rupert Isaacson: she's with me all the time goes, she
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starts showing up regularly and
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
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Rupert Isaacson: Saying, and what does she say?
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Does she say, clean your room?
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Does she say no?
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Say you should visit the dentist more often.
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Does she say the universe is composed of love?
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Does she say, what does she say?
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: You know, I, I love those questions because later
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on I have to say, people will say all kinds of things, but at that moment
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in time, what was happening was this sheer extraordinary energy of love.
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Rupert Isaacson: Mm.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Because that's what I knew my grandmother to be.
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Yeah.
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You know, she was the person who would hold me, hug me, teach me how to
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crochet, you know, go for a walk with me.
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And so there wasn't as much conversation at that moment in time.
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It was just a feeling
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Rupert Isaacson: mm-hmm.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Of being held that no matter what, I was going to be safe.
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Which again, was an important, very important message going forward in
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my life from that time and, and on.
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So having that energy there, having her energy with me, opened
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up the doors to other things.
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So I was living a childhood where, and you know, you know, the Irish, the Irish side.
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I was living a childhood where there were fairies and there were, you
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know, we talked to all the animals.
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It was really normal.
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You talked to the bird, you talked to the cat, you talked to the
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cow, you talked to the horse.
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Very normal in my, in my childhood when it became not normal, was a
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little bit later going into high school, starting to realize other
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people had not lived like this.
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Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: So, starting to shut down.
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And I think this is a story I would imagine almost every
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single one of your listeners has.
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There's a certain point where the shutting down starts to happen.
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Sometimes it's sooner.
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In my case, it was just a little later, which gave me more time to normalize
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it and to realize from the brain, oh, this might not be appropriate for this
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setting, so I'm gonna dial it back.
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So I knew early on that there were messages that wanted to come through.
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There were loved ones on the other side, and that the stars
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in particular held messages.
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And now I will actually answer your question.
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I think my brain when I was young was, is it's wired differently.
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So I couldn't read until I was much older, probably eight or nine.
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And so.
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Hieroglyphics actually became a language.
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So you have to think of the time.
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So late sixties, early seventies, there's all of this energy around
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the Rosetta Stone and the, you know, all of the hieroglyphics, all
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Rupert Isaacson: the new agey stuff is happening.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah, yeah.
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It's all happening.
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So it was normal to see hieroglyphics show up, national Geographic, whatever.
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Right.
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And they made sense to me.
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My brain could understand the visual of a symbol, but I couldn't understand
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how letters and words on a page worked.
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So I just, I plastered my bedroom with pictures of planets and hieroglyphics
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and, and I just, that was my world.
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And then music, and I don't know if you can, I don't know if you play,
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do you play a musical instrument?
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Rupert Isaacson: I do, but yeah.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
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So, you know, when you're reading music, you're looking at symbols.
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And the symbols, they speak, they have energy.
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They tell you, okay, I play the piano, so press this note, and then press
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it soft, or press it hard, you know, depending on what you see on the, mm-hmm.
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On the sheet music.
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So my brain was really wired for symbols.
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Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: So next part of the story.
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My mother decides to become an amateur astrologer because it's the seventies.
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And Linda Goodman has written a great book, star Signs, and then
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her other sun signs and love signs.
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And so my mother's into this, so she becomes
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Rupert Isaacson: up.
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A quick, quick question just before you go on with your mother.
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Is your grandmother showing up nightly?
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Does it begin to fade?
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If so, at what point does it begin to fade?
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah, that's a great question.
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Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: She was there every day for a very, very long time.
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Very long time to the point where my my one uncle who's passed actually
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all my uncles have passed now, but the one uncle, he would say, so
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have you heard from Grandma Ties?
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Have you heard from her?
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Yeah.
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Every day.
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So it became kind of like this.
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I, I realize now they, they had to make light of it.
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'cause it was a little scary for a lot of people.
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Like, is she a little weird?
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What's happening?
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You know, is she okay?
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So anyway, yes, she showed up for many years, every day and honestly
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Rupert Isaacson: into your past puberty.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Oh yes.
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Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Oh, yes.
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Into my twenties and thirties.
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Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: I would say now, I can access her.
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That's how I would say it.
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I can go to that level of energy that was my grandmother
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and I can access that energy.
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But I've
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Rupert Isaacson: often, I imagine you went, but around the time you start
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getting into boys saying, grandma, can you
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
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Look the other way.
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Well, yeah.
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Okay.
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So good question.
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You, you land on a great question that everybody wants to know.
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Everybody wants to know.
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Do they spy on you?
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Okay.
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Everyone wants to know this.
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You have to tell them not to.
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I have a great story.
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Can we, can we go into the weight R section?
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Rupert Isaacson: You do because it's what everybody wants to know and they, and
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: everybody wants
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Rupert Isaacson: to know this.
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Then we'll go back to your mum being a, a a, an amateur astrologer.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Go on.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay.
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We'll come back to that.
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This is more fun.
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Okay.
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I mean, you know, I mean it's great.
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Yeah, sure.
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The whole astrology thing is what I do, but this is, this
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is another part of my work.
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Rupert Isaacson: Atrology ology.
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Let's go to
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: rra.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So my first mentor, an incredible woman, I'm gonna tell you this story
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'cause this is where I learned it.
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But at this time, I'm 21 years old, so I don't know anything about any of this.
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This has just been my life.
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My grandmother's with me.
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I just, I mean, I have to say I kissed a lot of boys.
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So if she was there, I just didn't pay attention 'cause Right.
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Rupert Isaacson: But she never commented on.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: She did not comment.
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She was always there.
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Just, you know, and, and again, did, did we have conversations,
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we did have conversations.
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They often looked like, what am I gonna do?
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And she'd say, you're gonna be safe.
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And this, and once in a while she would give, and this, this answers another
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question that people often ask too.
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She would give me information that would help me discern, but
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I had to make my own decision.
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Mm-hmm.
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She did not tell me what to do.
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She would just be there as this added bonus.
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Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: As a, as a added consciousness if you were, you know?
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Mm-hmm.
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Just something like that.
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So anyway, my first mentor, she was shared with us that you had to
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create boundaries because when she was, she was an incredible psychic.
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She worked with police departments, helping find children, actually,
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and I mean, it was, the seventies in California was a really tough
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time, unfortunately, in that realm.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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But she did a great job doing that work.
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And she said when she married her second husband, so her husband died, and then
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their best friends, the wife died, and then they ended up getting together.
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They had like eight children between them.
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They ended up getting together, and one night she, they were in the bedroom
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and she looked up, and both of the spouses who had passed on were watching.
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And she said no.
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And then no.
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You just say, no, you have to go.
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Now this is my sacred space and they leave.
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Rupert Isaacson: Right.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: But you have to tell them sometimes.
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She said.
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So ever since then, I have made it very clear.
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No one in the bedroom, no one in the bathroom.
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Very clear.
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Unless it's an emergency of some kind.
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Yeah.
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Then no, you know, wait.
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Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: And also many years later, I do, I do have
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and I teach this to a lot of people.
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I do have what I call gatekeepers, and I was taught that by another mentor of mine.
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And the gatekeepers can come in many forms.
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Mm-hmm.
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But I ask my gatekeepers to, they handle things.
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If something needs to get in, in the middle of the night, they can wake me up.
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But it really, I mean, it really has to be an emergency.
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Rupert Isaacson: Absolutely.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: And I've had those, I mean, there, there
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are people, there are souls.
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There are spirits that need support and so they will come in.
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But anyway, so yes the truth is they can see you.
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And the truth is you do need to set a boundary.
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So it's,
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Rupert Isaacson: well, you know, you know what I feel I've always felt about that is
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a why would I mind.
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Because I imagine that anyone who's within the fields of consciousness
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is so beyond any sort of,
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: they are so
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Rupert Isaacson: judgment thing that, I mean, any more than I would
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be watching my horses or something.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah, exactly.
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Rupert Isaacson: But the, but the, the other thing is that I've always had
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the absolute feeling that anyone who is within the fields of consciousness,
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who's aware of me in that way from another, you know, other dimension,
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perhaps they've died is beneficent.
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They're, they're, they're not, they're not here to do anything other than help.
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And those sorts of adolescent human judgments are not
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relevant to that state of being.
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So I am in no way worried, you know?
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
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I wouldn't worry.
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Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
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But it, it's just humorous, you know?
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One has to, one
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: has to, it's so humorous because it's our
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response like this, I'm like, Ugh,
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Rupert Isaacson: ugh.
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It's kind of
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: not
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Rupert Isaacson: really relevant.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Privacy comes from being an oldest child too.
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It's just like, privacy.
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Please.
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You know, it's that, you know, I, I would, yeah.
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So anyway.
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It is, it's an amazing, I love how you explain it too, and, and
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your own experience, because the other realms, they are profound.
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And there, there, there are, there are definitely energies that are not invited.
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And I make that very clear.
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Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: There are beings that have passed over that I
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may not want to have a connection with.
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So I set up that boundary.
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And, but most often it's always comes down to it.
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Everything kind of comes down to the same message.
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Everything comes down to one message.
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And that is all there really is.
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And I don't wanna sound like a song, but that it's just love.
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Everything is love.
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Rupert Isaacson: Indeed.
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You're preaching to converted, you know, and, and I had my own death experience,
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which I, we can talk about in a minute.
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Mm-hmm.
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So I'm 100% with you on that.
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And I think there's a reason why in every spiritual tradition in the
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world, every single one, even if they get certain things wrong, the
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underlying message is always it's love.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
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Rupert Isaacson: This, we know, you know, this, we know to are, you know,
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to the, to whatever is beyond ourselves.
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We, we, we know it in our mitochondria.
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We know it, we know it to be true.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
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Yes.
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Rupert Isaacson: But okay, your mom goes, decides she wants to
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become an amateur astrologer.
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But you, what you've been talking about in our little digression
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here has been more about being psychic than being an astrologer.
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And of course they're not always the same thing, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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Not everyone who's psychic is an astrologer.
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Not everyone who's an astrologer psychic.
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There can be, I, I guess a logical crossover, but it's
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by no means a a certainty.
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Right.
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So you are aware of your grandmother and this lasts, you
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know, into your young adulthood.
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And I presume at a certain point she's not the only one, but your
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mum, you also mentioned siblings.
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You said you're the oldest child.
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Is this kind of way of looking at the world and being in the world
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also with your siblings, and is it also with your mother and is it also
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with your father, or are you feeling No, I'm kind of a bit alone in this.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: That's a good question also.
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Um hmm.
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I would say that I felt supported to grow along my own path in that one way.
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And so it wasn't that I was.
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Not supported.
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I just, I did feel alone though, and my brother and sister I was much older,
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so by the time I started to shut things down, they were just beginning to grow
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up and they were still quite young, so they did not know that part of me
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probably until later because, you know, again, surviving in school was a primary,
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you know, primary focus at the time.
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And my brother and sister are extraordinary humans.
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And I've come to the, I, I have this thought, I haven't actually shared
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it with them so I can share it now that we each have taken a branch of
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something within the family line.
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My sister is an extraordinary artist.
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She is a gifted chocolatier.
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She is a writer.
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She is very, very creative.
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And I feel like she took that, she has that creative branch and
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she's, she's really focused there.
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And then my brother is a wonderful professor of East Asian history.
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And so he took the very intellectual route and through his own neurodiversity.
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Again, all of us have it in our family and we all had to somehow find a way to get
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through school and we all did pretty well.
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He chose to go even further and move into that intellectual realm.
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So he's taking the intellectual branch and they each have their own spirituality
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for sure, but that's not their focus.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I ended up going into education and teaching, but
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the spiritual branch was mine.
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I could feel it.
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That's what I was being called to all along.
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So then I made that the focus and yeah, I've just been, it's been interesting
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to look back and see how each of, we are all very, very different.
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They love me.
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They think I'm weird and they love me.
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They are, they're wonderful siblings in that respect.
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So we all respect each other and we are all very different.
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Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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So, okay, now your mom gets into amateur astrology.
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It's the seventies.
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All those Linda Goodman books are coming out as we know.
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Yes.
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Go on.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay.
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So I grow up in a household at that point where my mother's doing
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astrology the old fashioned way before we had computers drawing everything
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by hand and casting the charts.
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And I am watching this kind of living in this soup and she would.
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I don't know if she was talking to herself or she was talking to me, but
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you know how when we're learning and we're talking through something, so I'm
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absorbing and I'm hearing and listening I've eventually learned how to read.
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I think I may be eight or nine.
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And the minute the key unlocked and I was able to understand how
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letters and words worked, I could read at a higher level than my age.
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Mm-hmm.
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So all of a sudden, everything just unlocked.
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So I started reading the astrology books.
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I started reading all her past life books.
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I started reading, you know, Edgar Casey and all, all, all the, all the
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ones from the seventies, obviously.
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And that
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Rupert Isaacson: just, just give you a quick aside.
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Yes.
21:40
Those who do not know who Edgar Casey was he was known as the sleeping
21:44
Prophet and he lived in Virginia Beach in the early part of the 20th century.
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And he would go into a profound state of trance sleep and come out with
21:56
stuff that was often very helpful.
21:58
Sometimes prophetic, often turned out to be true.
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And he is one of the, if you've ever heard the term acas record this idea
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that all sort of knowledge is stored out in some other field that we can
22:11
tap into that really to a large degree in the 20th century, starts with him.
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Of course, it's not, he's not the only bloke on the planet ever to come up to
22:19
this conclusion, but nonetheless, it's So, Edgar Casey's very interesting.
22:23
If you want to know more the.
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Tons of it on YouTube.
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Okay.
22:26
Back to you.
22:26
Okay,
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: great.
22:27
I love the history lessons.
22:29
They're so important because, you know, you and I are not too far apart in age.
22:33
I'm a little bit older, but we're not that far apart in age.
22:36
And so we have some scenario.
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Rupert Isaacson: But you are 28.
22:39
Yeah.
22:39
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
22:40
And you're I think, what, 27?
22:42
Rupert Isaacson: I'm, I'm, I'm, well, I never made it
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mentally much past three, so.
22:45
Yeah,
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: exactly.
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I have, I, I'm not, I don't, I have a thought, but I'm not gonna go there yet.
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So anyway.
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I have a thought.
22:53
I have a thought.
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So anyway, so yeah.
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So I lived in this soup.
22:58
I started reading.
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Okay.
22:59
Like I said, I started to shut things down a little bit, got to
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college, shut it down even more.
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And then in my twenties, I, I couldn't shut it down anymore.
23:09
And I think a lot of it was just they, it, it, the, and maybe this, maybe
23:17
other people could relate to this, but I could feel the energies around me.
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I just didn't really know what to do with them.
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Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
23:22
Denise Elizabeth Byron: And, and it was like, it was getting crowded.
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It was getting crowded, and it was as if I needed to open a door.
23:30
Mm-hmm.
23:30
Again, and so that's when I started working with that first teacher
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and mentor and the psychic who was working with police departments.
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And during that training, I realized that was not the work I was meant to do.
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I was not going to be working with police departments, but I
23:46
did wanna keep that door open.
23:48
Rupert Isaacson: And how did you find that mentor, and why did
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that mentor decide to take you on?
23:51
Was, was he or she running the school for police psychics with a small ad
23:57
that you could answer in the LA Times?
23:59
Or did you meet by word of mouth, or, there must have been
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a, an interesting story there.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
24:04
You know, it's a, it's a, that's a very good question as well.
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I believe that.
24:09
Somebody said, you should go see this woman.
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I, I think that's how it, it started like that.
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So I went to see her.
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We had this conversation.
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She said, oh, by the way, I am having a class.
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Do you wanna come?
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And so my best friend and I at the time, we decided to go to the class and
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I don't know what possessed me, but I dragged my younger sister, bless her, I
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dragged her to the class and we, and the whole, after the first night, we sat in
24:36
my bedroom and at the house where I was living, and we just stared each other.
24:41
And she's like, I'm never gonna sleep again.
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So anyway, but anyhow, so, and then this beautiful mentor, I just kept taking
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class after class after class and just learning as much as I could because that's
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who I had on the journey at the time.
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And by then, I'm in my twenties, I'm 21.
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I'm moving on in my life and.
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Astrology was always there.
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Numerology was a favorite from the time I was probably 15, I was doing numerology.
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I loved numbers and how they could share again, their symbols.
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And there was this beautiful language that somebody had decoded numerology.
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You probably know this better than I do, but I believe, you know, we,
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we can go back to the Greeks, we can go back to the Islamic Empire.
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Numerology has been around a very, very long
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Rupert Isaacson: time.
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Oh, it's, it's it's way older.
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All of these things that as far as we can trace them, go back to Sumaria.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes, yes, of course.
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Who
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Rupert Isaacson: are, which is also where most of our mathematics comes from.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
25:46
Rupert Isaacson: And that's 6,000 years ago and when,
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you know, I was at university studying history and archeology.
25:52
The accepted wisdom was that that was the first civilization.
25:55
And I remember thinking along with a lot of other people, that seems awfully
26:00
recent, you know, given that, you know, and then there were all these
26:05
unanswered questions like, oh yeah.
26:06
And we just like suddenly invented agriculture.
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Like, Hmm.
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You know, there, there seems to be some missing links here.
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And now of course they're finding like go Gobekli Tepi in Southeast
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Turkey, which is about 6,000 years.
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Earlier than Sumaria.
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And now they found another place in Indonesia whose name is so
26:25
complex, I can never remember it, which seems to be older than that.
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And therefore what's going on, because you've got ice ages in between.
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And then of course you get into all kinds of theories and then
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the academics get very upset.
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But the fact is that now with ground penetrating radar and all sorts of other
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ways of doing archeology that are also not necessarily being seen through the
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institutional eyes of Juda Christianism or the British Empire or whatever
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other thing we're trying to prove.
26:52
We seem to perhaps not have been the first such civilization here possibly.
26:58
And there seem to be pauses and breaks and a slightly more complex story, which is
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more in line with how nature really goes.
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And does that mean that there's extra terrestrial stuff and all that stuff?
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We don't know.
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We don't know, but it's as likely as not.
27:10
And so therefore, where does this all start?
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Probably earlier than Sumaria, but in terms of can we trace it back?
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That's about as far as we can actually get like something on a clay tablet, you know?
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
27:21
That says, and
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Rupert Isaacson: if you do this, it will do that.
27:24
Yeah.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: It's amazing.
27:25
So archeology was my first love, and I actually thought I was
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gonna study archeology in college.
27:31
Mm.
27:31
But then I went a different direction as life does
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Rupert Isaacson: ass job.
27:34
You didn't because they're, they're a bit of a bunch of wankers, honestly.
27:37
I was almost kicked out of university for, do you know
27:40
why they wanted to kick me out?
27:41
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah, I'd love to know.
27:42
Rupert Isaacson: Well, one of the reasons there, there were a few reasons,
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but one of the reasons was I wrote an essay about a, an indus a a sort of
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early Iron age, no, mid late Iron Age culture that was in an area of Eastern
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Britain that was heavy iron making.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
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Rupert Isaacson: Along the riverine.
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And that this became something that the Romans, when they invaded,
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targeted because it was an iron.
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And so it was sort of an early industrial thing.
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And so I drew a comparison between that and sort of a Iron
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Age black country, black country being like the early industrial
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revolution in 19th century England.
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And my professors just lost it, haul me into their office and
28:28
kind of tore me a new asshole threatened me with kicking out.
28:32
And I'm like, but lads, you're talking about metal work, slag
28:37
heaps, pollution in the rivers, smog, potentially people dying of, you know,
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lung problems because of the smoke, because that, this seems to show up.
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Mm-hmm.
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The, the, the, the, you know, the skeletons and stuff that you did, the
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hair and whatever that you're digging up.
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And so how is it not actually a bit like that?
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And they just said, if you wanna stay, you better shut up.
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So I realized very, very early that weirdly archeology has had
29:07
an orthodoxy and a, a liturgy that's not far from the religious.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
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Rupert Isaacson: And that comes for all sorts of philosophical
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reasons, but it means that it needs to be revised every 20 years.
29:25
Yeah, yeah.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
29:26
Yeah.
29:26
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
29:26
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Well, and you bring up an interesting
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point too, because I will say from various points of view, ha, have
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you read the Chalice and the Blade?
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Rupert Isaacson: No.
29:36
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Have you read The Great Cosmic Mother?
29:38
Rupert Isaacson: No.
29:39
Sorry.
29:40
Why's the exam tomorrow?
29:41
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Put that on your reading, Les.
29:43
Okay.
29:44
These are, tell me about it.
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Anthropological texts.
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These are women based text and we're, and really looking at how the patriarchy
29:54
really radically shifted the narrative.
29:57
As far back as Sumeria.
29:59
Oh yeah, for sure.
29:59
You know, for, you gotta keep going back and back and back in time.
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Rupert Isaacson: Absolutely.
30:03
Denise Elizabeth Byron: You know, one of the members of our horse community
30:06
Sarah Barnes wrote a great book.
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She Who Rides Horses.
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I don't know if you've read that one.
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I
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Rupert Isaacson: do know it.
30:11
And I've actually got it in my bedroom.
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She sent it to me.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
30:15
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
30:15
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Another great look back at history.
30:18
Rupert Isaacson: Exactly.
30:19
Well, I've got something to say about that, but before I do for you
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listeners, remember we did say she's sort of the horse person's astrologer.
30:28
We will get to the horses, don't worry.
30:31
Yeah.
30:31
One of the fun things about having, you know, I studied ancient history as
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well and I love the fact that when the Athenians got their empire going up
30:42
through the Eastern Mediterranean above Turkey, they enter the Black Sea, they
30:46
keep going and they end up in the Crimea.
30:49
Right.
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That's on the top.
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And the steps of Ukraine and who's living there, of course.
30:54
But horse people and what they would call Ians at that point, mounted
30:59
arches, fierce warriors, also traders, and they start trading with these
31:04
people for whatever they've got.
31:06
Pelt, horses, amber, et cetera, furs, Fs, and what pops up in the
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mythology of Athens, the Amazons, and that there are these women up there.
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Who are fierce and ride horses.
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So what do they do?
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They say, oh, well our heroes, Herrick, Clea and thesis, what do they go up there?
31:29
And they tame these horsewomen and they marry the queen and they,
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: right.
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Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
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They, they get them under the thumb.
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They never fucking got them under the thumb.
31:37
They were terrified of them.
31:38
And in fact when the archeology was being done in those areas digging up the grave
31:44
mounds of these horse cultures, they were often finding these high status
31:50
warriors covered in tattoos, buried with their horses, buried with their weapons.
31:53
And because it's a slightly dry climate there, the, the skin often mummies and
31:59
even though, you know, it's from the Bronze Age and more recent, DNA has shown
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that at least 50% of these high status tattooed warriors buried with there Yeah.
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Horses.
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And were guess what?
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Women?
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Yes.
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And they, they were high status military leaders.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
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And,
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Rupert Isaacson: So you can imagine the Greeks going up there and going,
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whoa, listen lads, we can't let the ladies back in Athens see this.
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You know, they'll, they'll go fucking nuts.
32:26
And they go wild.
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We, we had to come up with a couple of myths about, but
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no, they never tamed them.
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And it's very interesting that the horse cultures have always been to a large
32:37
degree egalitarian, because once you are on a horse, it's got nothing to do
32:42
with your physical size or strength.
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It's to do with your skills with the horse.
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And then your skills with the weapon on the horse.
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You could be five foot two, you could be six foot two.
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It wouldn't really make much difference, honestly.
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We know this, so, the horse is much stronger than either of the two monkeys.
32:56
Big monkey, small monkey.
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Yeah.
32:58
So, yeah, no absolutely with you and, and yes.
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Patriarchy couldn't handle it.
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So that,
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Nope.
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Well, and I noticed you had a YouTube recently about one of the horse goddesses.
33:11
Yeah.
33:11
And yes, and when we think about, and you know, coming from a more Celtic origin
33:19
from my ancestors and Viking origin, the women, the, the female goddesses,
33:26
they were not to be trifled with.
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These were powerful,
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Rupert Isaacson: to be fair.
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Not normally the Greek ones as well.
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I mean, you know.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah,
33:33
Rupert Isaacson: exactly.
33:34
The goddesses are always trouble.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes, we are.
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Doesn't
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Rupert Isaacson: matter which pan,
33:41
Denise Elizabeth Byron: let's just keep that in mind.
33:43
It's
33:43
Rupert Isaacson: true.
33:43
You better keep your head down.
33:44
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Well, and, and we should talk about horses.
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I know we will.
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Yes.
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I promise.
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We'll get to the rest of the story, but
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Rupert Isaacson: yeah.
33:51
How do you become, how is it that you are now?
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'cause that's sort of how I got to know you through Warwick.
33:55
You are the sort of horseman psychic and the horseman's astrologer.
33:59
Why, like, what's the evolution there?
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Well, that is an interesting, also an interesting story.
34:05
I feel comfortable because people have shared this.
34:07
Normally I would not speak about my clients, but I, I feel very comfortable
34:11
because Warwick has already shared this.
34:13
Robin's already shared this, and Tyler's already shared this the Schiller family.
34:17
But when I was living in Santa Cruz, I had a business where by the time, you know,
34:23
we fast forwarded now many, many years.
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Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
34:25
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I had, I was doing astrology, numerology pretty regularly.
34:29
That was the basis of my livelihood.
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Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
34:33
Denise Elizabeth Byron: And so, a client brought Robin, they, we had
34:37
a session for a particular reason for that, and then Robin came by
34:42
herself, and then Robin brought, brought work, and Robin brought Tyler.
34:46
Right.
34:46
And so we had a little family going on there.
34:49
And in the course of those sessions, I was able to share what I can see.
34:56
And so the chart itself, astrology is very technical.
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I am not a technical astrologer.
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I can do technical astrology, but where my gift lies is being able to
35:08
utilize it as a symbology that opens the portals to information and energy.
35:14
So yes, I'm interpreting astrology that has a traditional meaning.
35:21
But not unlike tarot cards for instance.
35:24
You know, there's a traditional meaning for a tarot card, but really what
35:28
the card is doing is it's asking you to connect with your own intuition.
35:32
It's asking you to connect with your psyche, your higher self, your
35:36
ancestors, depending on where you come from in the world, and let
35:40
that information flow through you.
35:42
So astrology charts allow me the opportunity to hear and see and feel.
35:50
So with the Schillers particularly Warwick, I was
35:52
able to share what I could see.
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Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
35:56
Denise Elizabeth Byron: And from that moment, and I can't speak for him
36:01
per se, but I know from what he has shared that he was able to craft what
36:08
became the journey on podcast and then the journey on summits and then
36:16
their new nonprofit foundation work.
36:21
So that's how I came to be connected to the Schillers and the podcast.
36:29
And, and this is very kind in the very first, very first podcast.
36:33
He shares that, that's the origin story for where the podcast is.
36:37
Okay.
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Rupert Isaacson: That's so interesting.
36:38
I didn't know that.
36:39
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
36:40
Okay.
36:40
And so then later I was.
36:43
What was I podcast number 99, agent 99.
36:47
I was interviewed and we had a really great conversation and from that
36:52
interview, my whole world got to be this fabulous, fabulous people who are
37:00
not unlike me, like for the first time.
37:04
'cause you asked about feeling alone.
37:07
It's never really bothered me that there weren't a lot of people around that were
37:12
seeing, feeling, sensing, doing astrology.
37:15
I just would do it.
37:16
It's just what I did.
37:18
But living in Santa Cruz, you would think Santa Cruz, California, for those of you
37:21
don't know, it's like the surfing capital.
37:23
A pretty easygoing place.
37:25
You would think I would find more people like me.
37:28
I did, but it still wasn't a lot.
37:31
And it's fascinating to me the minute I stepped into this horse world, and
37:36
I, I can't say enough about this, the sensitivity of the people who I might
37:43
even cry because this is so profound.
37:45
The sensitivity of the people who listen to their animals, to their horses,
37:52
their dogs, their cats, their chickens, their ducks is, is the sensitivity
37:57
that I've carried my whole life.
38:00
And we're the same.
38:02
The difference is I've been able to strengthen a muscle over
38:06
the course of my life that for some feels like a newer muscle.
38:12
But he's been there the whole time.
38:14
Anyone who is in your community, anyone who's in your community, anyone who's a,
38:20
a horse person in the way that you are and the way that your people are understands
38:26
how important it is to listen first.
38:29
And that's the thing.
38:30
Like Robin Warwick, Tyler, you know, we were, I started to
38:34
realize these people are listening.
38:38
They're not telling, they're listening and they're connecting and
38:44
they're having conversation with.
38:46
So that one podcast opened a door and I was very, very, very happy and feel
38:53
very blessed to walk through that door.
38:55
So that's how that happened.
38:58
Yeah.
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Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
39:00
So we're going to take that conversation in a moment into the equine realm because
39:09
everyone I know is interested in this.
39:11
However I want to still just go a little bit more with your chronology.
39:17
So you are working with this, mentor who's doing forensic psychic work effectively.
39:24
Yes.
39:24
Right?
39:24
Mm-hmm.
39:25
And we know that this is a thing mm-hmm.
39:27
And it's, it's interesting.
39:28
Anyone who's rolling their eyes don't, it doesn't matter
39:31
what country you're living in.
39:32
Your big police departments all have a psychic forensic thing, and they all,
39:37
they, they leave no stone unturned.
39:39
And it's really interesting that, you know, people that you consider to be
39:42
the most practical or the practical cops
39:45
Denise Elizabeth Byron: mm-hmm.
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Rupert Isaacson: Will actually, because they are so professional, not neglect any
39:52
angle that's possible to try to and sadly, of course, criminals do the same thing.
39:58
They, they can use darker spiritual stuff as well.
40:01
Mm-hmm.
40:01
But don't for a moment think that that is not part of your local police
40:05
department or, or at least your, it, it, it, we, we know that it is.
40:09
So at what point do you say, okay, let's not what I want to do, and then you say,
40:14
but there is something I want to do.
40:16
What is that thing?
40:17
Or do you actually try your hand in the mainstream for a bit and resist it?
40:22
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Oh, I was definitely, you know, I was needing
40:24
to get a job, so I worked in.
40:27
I had many jobs, you know?
40:28
Mm-hmm.
40:28
I did my, I did my part, and I finally landed on teaching, partly
40:33
because remember when I was saying that when I couldn't read and then
40:36
the key unlocked and I was able to read I knew at some point I always
40:41
loved teaching swimming lessons.
40:43
That was my favorite job ever in college, was teaching kids how to swim.
40:49
I mean, I feel like that's what I'm doing now.
40:52
It's just a different, it's just a different set of tools.
40:54
Yeah.
40:54
I, I can do that, but it's the same thing.
40:56
So in my twenties, I was introduced to another psychic, and she was doing
41:03
more past life regression readings, talking to people on the other
41:07
side, which the other one did too.
41:09
But this was, she was more
41:11
she was doing it differently.
41:13
She wasn't working for police departments, let's just say that.
41:15
So it had a different feel to it.
41:16
It wasn't, it wasn't as I mean, it was serious, but it, it just
41:20
didn't have the same flavor.
41:21
So I started working with her and learned so much that I was practicing in all
41:27
my twenties I was doing, I, I mean, at that point, people were coming in,
41:33
in the middle of the night waking me up and saying things like, please pray
41:38
for me and contact my mother-in-law.
41:44
Okay.
41:45
Okay.
41:47
So I had all kinds of experiences in my twenties.
41:50
I needed to understand what was happening, so I found teachers to
41:53
help me understand what was happening.
41:55
The astrology was not a thing.
41:59
It wasn't until my thirties that astrology, I just, you know, again,
42:04
computers made it a lot easier.
42:06
Mm-hmm.
42:06
I'll be honest, I didn't really wanna do the charts the way my mother did them.
42:11
Mm-hmm.
42:11
It takes a lot of time and effort.
42:13
But anyways I can remember when Astro dest showed up on the internet.
42:18
Well, the internet showed up, right?
42:20
Mm-hmm.
42:20
And then we had all of this new stuff that we could learn, and
42:24
so I just started learning even more astrology at that point.
42:27
So I'm in my thirties at that point and practicing on anyone
42:32
who would let me practice.
42:35
And I had left teaching, I was coaching doing life coaching, and I found that
42:40
my clientele seemed to all be artists.
42:43
And I also started casting their charts with their permission and realized
42:48
that we could go a lot further, a lot faster if we started with the chart.
42:55
And so that's how that became a thing.
42:58
And so that was 30 years ago and have just built on that since.
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Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
43:03
And then why would, I've got three or four questions I've written down
43:06
here, which we get need to get to.
43:07
But another question has come a digression.
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So why would the Schillers, as dedicated horse people.
43:13
Okay.
43:13
You're all living in that part of California.
43:15
I get it.
43:16
And sometimes people want to go and see a psychic or an astrologer.
43:19
I get it.
43:20
But I presume that there were other witchy people in the horse community there.
43:26
In fact, I know that rock.
43:27
'cause I've got friends who are and we probably have a mutual friend there.
43:31
Do you know Jill Cohen?
43:32
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I don't know personally, but yes.
43:33
Yes.
43:33
Rupert Isaacson: Wonderful body.
43:34
Wonderful human.
43:35
You know, Warwick certainly knows Aaron, you know, but we, let's just
43:39
say there's a very conscious community there, which also includes horse people.
43:42
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
43:42
Rupert Isaacson: So why do you think that they knocked on your door?
43:45
What, what do you think was the why you?
43:47
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Well, we, we have to say it's Robin, you know, Robin
43:50
came with a, a friend for, and so then I guess it just, you know, I think
43:56
Rupert Isaacson: is it pure coincidence or is it some other connection?
43:59
Denise Elizabeth Byron: That's a great question.
44:01
It's, nothing's ever pure coincidence.
44:03
We, we
44:03
Rupert Isaacson: understand this, right?
44:04
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
44:04
We just have to say, I think that what, what has happened, probably,
44:11
I like to make things practical.
44:13
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
44:14
Denise Elizabeth Byron: And I think that practicality is an
44:17
important piece of especially if you're talking about business.
44:20
If you're talking about your livelihood or you're talking about
44:22
your purpose, how can it be practical?
44:25
That's my whole goal, is to bring the practical into the spiritual.
44:30
Or bring the, yeah, bring the practical into the spiritual.
44:33
I, I count my lucky stars, no pun intended.
44:36
But I do think that I'll, I'll be honest, this, this is me if Tyler listens to
44:44
this, Tyler, this is me responding to you at the San Antonio Summit.
44:49
That's all I'm gonna say.
44:51
I think the past life connection goes to Tyler.
44:54
I think I somehow am connected to him, and then he just happened to
44:58
be the, the, the child of these two.
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Rupert Isaacson: Got it.
45:02
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Wonderful.
45:02
Rupert Isaacson: That'll do.
45:03
That's a good answer.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
45:04
Rupert Isaacson: And that actually leads me to my other question.
45:07
Mm-hmm.
45:08
So, past lives, it's interesting for me because I obviously have spent a
45:11
lot of time with healers and shamans
45:15
Denise Elizabeth Byron: mm-hmm.
45:16
Rupert Isaacson: In indigenous areas, and not just as an observer, but as you know,
45:22
it's been my life and my son and my, the healings of my family and all of this.
45:27
And the Bushman, for example, who I spent most spent most of my time with.
45:32
So they don't talk about past lives, they talk about ancestors, and it seems to
45:36
past life things seems to be something which people talk about largely in
45:40
Western, sometimes in Eastern, but by no means in all eastern traditions.
45:45
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
45:45
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
45:45
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47:34
So why do some people talk about past lives and others not?
47:39
And does every human have past lives or only some.
47:44
And why do some cultures not seem to th have it in their experience?
47:49
And others seem to have it very much in their experience.
47:51
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Such a great question.
47:53
Again, I love these questions.
47:55
This is fun.
47:56
I can't, I cannot claim to be an expert on past lives, but I can
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put you in touch with one later.
48:02
I'll give you her name.
48:03
Mm, she's awesome.
48:04
I think you would enjoy talking with her.
48:06
But what I will say from my own experience and from my own learning, I think,
48:12
and this is, this is not shared by a lot of people who do psychic reading.
48:17
So what I'm about to say is my own, this is my own experience.
48:20
I believe that a lot of times we reincarnate past lives within our
48:27
ancestry and it's not always true.
48:30
And for sure it's not always true.
48:32
But I think that sometimes we do.
48:34
So your question about why do some cultures look at past lives and
48:40
some don't, I wonder if the ones that are tr, and this again, it's a
48:44
question, I wonder if the ones that are truly connected to the ancestral
48:48
realm that it's all built in there.
48:51
We become, we are our ancestors.
48:54
You know, is this, is that thought?
48:56
I know that in there's a Hawaiian spiritual tradition that
49:00
I've studied for a long time.
49:02
The Akua, that word means.
49:07
Ancestors.
49:09
It also means our higher self and it's our wisdom.
49:14
And in that spiritual tradition, they don't talk
49:20
about past lives so much either.
49:21
That's not a thing.
49:23
So it makes me just, I'm having this conversation with you in real
49:27
time and just really going into the curiosity myself of why this is, and
49:32
again, you could talk to a past life expert and maybe there's a different
49:36
understanding, but my understanding is for myself that if I go back and look
49:42
at the lifetimes that I sense or feel that have moved through in some form,
49:49
they're there to teach me something.
49:52
And again, what is the practical purpose for getting in touch with a past life?
49:56
A lot of it is healing.
49:58
And if that healing can be sent to my ancestral line, if it can be
50:03
moved through, I You've heard of family constellation work, right?
50:07
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
50:08
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
50:08
So if you can move the, the healing through the line, then it doesn't really
50:14
matter if it's a past life or not, but it's something that is allowing
50:17
me to have healing, and it allows me to understand something else about my
50:21
soul's development, which then takes us into the question about what is
50:25
a soul and what does it really mean?
50:28
To be this soul that keeps coming back.
50:31
And are there souls that have never been here on earth before?
50:35
Probably, I would imagine, you know, we, we always have a good laugh because
50:40
we, we think about, I have this story, I have to tell you, we have these thoughts.
50:45
Like, okay, so who were you in a past life?
50:48
And everybody wants to be somebody really important in a past life,
50:52
Rupert Isaacson: you know?
50:52
Well, that's, that's the thing that always Yeah.
50:53
Makes one raise an eyebrow.
50:55
People seldom say, well, I used to clean the toilets in McDonald's in like 1964.
51:00
Right.
51:01
You know, they, they don't say that.
51:03
Well, I
51:03
Denise Elizabeth Byron: know, and that's the thing.
51:05
So when I've done my past life work in the form that I've done it
51:10
always a camel boy, never a pharaoh.
51:13
Can I just say that?
51:14
Yeah.
51:14
Always a camel boy, never a pharaoh.
51:17
So that having an understanding of what is the purpose of looking at our past
51:22
lives, a lot of it is to heal something systemic that may have followed us.
51:26
Again, you have to really be okay with reincarnation, which then takes us
51:31
back to, again, as you said, obviously there's clearly many, many, many,
51:35
many, many people throughout history who have talked about reincarnation.
51:40
But you have my first you know, my first introduction is through Edgar Casey.
51:45
So obviously that idea of the soul, the, the many, the many lives.
51:49
And then remember, Dr.
51:51
Brian Weiss, who did the mini lives mini masters.
51:54
Did you ever read that book?
51:55
Rupert Isaacson: No, but I've heard of it.
51:56
Yeah.
51:57
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
51:57
So that was another thing that came along during the times
52:00
when I'm learning all of this.
52:03
And I recently had a past life regression just very recently in the last month.
52:08
And I was really hoping, I was like, oh, I wanna go get in touch with one
52:16
of my Celtic lifetimes, 'cause I know I must have lived and blah, blah, blah.
52:20
You know?
52:21
So, no, no, that wasn't it.
52:23
The lifetime that came through was vastly different than
52:28
anything I would've expected.
52:30
And the question was why, you know, why this lifetime,
52:34
why was this coming through?
52:35
And really, I realized even while I'm going through the regression, that the
52:42
truth of it was I needed to see a simple lifetime connected to the earth, to the
52:47
stars, and I needed to see and feel death.
52:53
Here we come back around to that, 'cause we're gonna talk about your near death
52:57
thing that you've mentioned earlier.
52:59
I've got it on my notes, so
53:02
Rupert Isaacson: sure.
53:02
I can talk about it.
53:04
But go on.
53:04
Yeah.
53:04
Okay.
53:05
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
53:05
So anyway, so again, what is the practical, I, you know, a lot of
53:08
people in my life have passed.
53:10
A lot of really close people have passed recently.
53:12
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
53:13
Denise Elizabeth Byron: And so.
53:15
I needed to have a, I needed to have that regression to
53:19
show me something about death.
53:21
Mm-hmm.
53:22
From my perspective.
53:23
And it was great.
53:25
And I mean, for me, whether the story, the story is true or
53:29
not, it doesn't really matter.
53:31
It was beautiful and it was healing, and I don't need to prove it.
53:36
And I think that's something I wanna speak to actually, if that's all right.
53:41
I just, I hear so many people in, in the community say, I
53:45
need to prove my intuition.
53:47
And you know what?
53:48
No, you don't.
53:49
That kind of takes the wrong path.
53:52
You, you're not here to prove your intuition.
53:55
You're here to deepen into it.
53:57
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
53:58
Denise Elizabeth Byron: That is, and you know this, I'm not,
54:00
Rupert Isaacson: well, I mean, that's interesting.
54:01
That's, there's the horse connection right there, because what do horses
54:04
do, but facilitate that for people,
54:06
Denise Elizabeth Byron: right.
54:08
Rupert Isaacson: More so than just about any other animal.
54:10
Because why
54:11
Denise Elizabeth Byron: you say more about that?
54:13
Say more about that.
54:13
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
54:14
Well, horses do a number of things for us that other animals don't.
54:17
Every animal has its special thing.
54:19
And a lot of their special things are completely, of course, independent of us.
54:23
We just see it through our own monkey lens.
54:26
But when we are looking at the monkey, through the monkey lens
54:28
towards horses what do horses do?
54:32
They carry us.
54:34
Okay.
54:34
Now, they're not the only animal that carries us.
54:36
You can ride camel's, elephants, donkeys, reindeer.
54:40
But.
54:41
My sis, my sister, my daughter recently wrote a sheet.
54:45
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Who might've been your sister in the past?
54:46
Rupert Isaacson: It might've been my sister, actually.
54:47
I slightly suspect she was.
54:48
And
54:49
Denise Elizabeth Byron: yeah,
54:49
Rupert Isaacson: I slightly suspect she's actually my older sister.
54:51
Yeah.
54:51
But she's too, too wise.
54:54
Too clever.
54:55
But horses what they can do, when you ride the other animals,
55:00
you ride in two dimensions.
55:01
You ride f forwards or in a curve, maybe you could back up.
55:07
With horses you can ride in three dimensions.
55:09
So that's why they became the livestock and battle and dance and sport and
55:17
hunting transporter of humans of choice.
55:22
But because they can move in three dimensions, they're much
55:25
more complex and dangerous.
55:28
Once you add that other dimension of movement, it becomes more dangerous.
55:31
Horses are dangerous, but they're gentle.
55:34
And so very, very rarely do they want to hurt us.
55:38
But danger's always present when you're with a horse.
55:41
So, but they will take you into another dimension and they will do it selflessly.
55:48
And they will do it against their own intuitions.
55:52
Like that cavalry charge, the horse might blow.
55:54
I think I'm probably gonna die, you know?
55:55
But they'll do it.
55:57
So there is a kind of, they represent to us.
56:02
A higher self for selflessness.
56:04
They carry us.
56:05
They also represent strength, freedom, beauty, speed.
56:08
We are bigger, stronger, more powerful, more beautiful when we're on a horse.
56:12
We just go back to being a monkey again when we get off the horse.
56:15
So sometimes we can sadly come to the conclusion that the beauty and power
56:19
that the horse lends us is our own and not something that is lent and that
56:24
can turn us into utter ars assholes.
56:26
And a lot of horse people, myself included, have gone through a time
56:29
in their life of arrogance and then you've had to lose it at some
56:33
point if you want to get to the next stage of horsemanship, right?
56:37
And it's almost like a necessary thing.
56:39
And actually, to be honest, horses kind of can show that up with that sort of ego
56:42
as well, a little bit amongst each other.
56:44
That's not a million miles away in some of the dynamics.
56:49
So there's these kinship similarities and, but at the same time, we
56:53
are there, but predator and have been for an awful long time.
56:57
If you look at the you know, cave paintings in LaSow or Chave or
57:02
any of the, the really old ones from second Ice age back or so.
57:08
Horses, horses, horses, horses, horses.
57:10
We're not riding them, we we're hunting them.
57:11
But we, we have a real fascination with them.
57:14
And then when we do start riding them, of course they transport us massively.
57:19
But unfortunately we can commit acts of great criminal psych,
57:23
psychotic, horrible genocides on them, or we can use them to heal.
57:29
The choice is up to us.
57:31
The horse will lend us his power either way.
57:34
So horses really do have this occult.
57:36
They now so does a wolf, so does a dog.
57:38
So does a cat, so does a, you know, there's no being on the
57:41
planet that does not have its, you know, occult other world.
57:44
That is true, but it's specifically with horses.
57:48
I think it's, it seems to me to be this.
57:51
And you trust your life then to the animal.
57:54
Mm-hmm.
57:54
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes,
57:54
Rupert Isaacson: you are.
57:55
He will carry you on his back with this ever present danger.
57:58
And then you have to open yourself.
58:00
When you, when you sit on a horse, you, as you know, the human body
58:05
when it feels danger, wants to curl in, grab the branch and hold onto
58:09
the branch, protect the organs.
58:11
You cannot do that on a horse in movement.
58:13
You will fall off.
58:14
So you have to learn to go against your instinct and open and balance.
58:18
So it teaches us this.
58:19
And of course all of the old masters who wrote books about
58:25
three dimensional horsemanship, which you could call dressage.
58:28
For example, XON, the Greek.
58:31
It seems that maybe Kali in Babylon.
58:34
About a thousand years before him was talking about this.
58:37
And certainly later, people like Elle and, and others, what they all say is,
58:44
if you're going to ride this animal and train this type of animal who is
58:50
so sensitive and so dangerous and so vulnerable to that level, you have
58:56
to learn to master your emotions.
58:58
So it's a very, very good exercise.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
59:01
Rupert Isaacson: Particularly for hotheaded young people mm-hmm.
59:05
To do this because it can turn them into courtiers ambassadors,
59:09
good rulers, good administrators, people that can be quite wise.
59:13
So I think for all of these reasons, you know, horses and, and this is just,
59:17
you know, peeling back one layer really.
59:20
That's my long-winded answer, sorry.
59:22
Denise Elizabeth Byron: No, I love it.
59:23
And I don't have your experiences at all and limited experiences with
59:28
horses in general, but one thing that has always struck me, I was just
59:33
Rupert Isaacson: and your point, by the way, about the deep listening.
59:36
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
59:36
You
59:36
Rupert Isaacson: said interrupting her and not listening is absolutely true.
59:40
That because if you don't, you can die.
59:45
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Well, yes.
59:45
Okay.
59:46
Rupert Isaacson: So that kind of really, you have to listen deeply.
59:47
Yes.
59:48
Denise Elizabeth Byron: This is good.
59:48
I actually was actually where I was headed in a way.
59:52
I was with a horse recently, and every time I'm with a horse, here's
59:56
what I notice as someone who's on the ground, who's not on a horse, my
1:00:01
heart and their heart are lined up.
1:00:05
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
1:00:06
Mm-hmm.
1:00:07
Denise Elizabeth Byron: We're right here.
1:00:09
Rupert Isaacson: That's true.
1:00:10
Denise Elizabeth Byron: And there is no other animal that
1:00:12
I have been in contact with.
1:00:15
Rupert Isaacson: Well, I suppose a lot.
1:00:16
Cows, elephants.
1:00:17
Yeah.
1:00:17
Well,
1:00:18
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I, as I say,
1:00:18
Rupert Isaacson: stand on the ground with them.
1:00:19
You are, you are, you are within a heart field.
1:00:21
Yes.
1:00:21
Yes.
1:00:21
But that doesn't take away from what you are talking about.
1:00:25
No,
1:00:25
Denise Elizabeth Byron: no.
1:00:25
But I think for me, because again, cows, I like cows too, actually.
1:00:29
Mm.
1:00:29
I haven't been around a lot of cows, but I just find them fascinating to talk to.
1:00:34
But this, this heart energy, that's what I noticed is that
1:00:38
I could feel within myself.
1:00:41
Their hearts are, yes.
1:00:42
I don't an anatomically, I don't know if they're big.
1:00:45
I don't know how big they are, but
1:00:46
Rupert Isaacson: they're, they're much bigger than ours.
1:00:47
They have,
1:00:48
Denise Elizabeth Byron: have to be
1:00:49
Rupert Isaacson: because they're running machines.
1:00:51
Makes sense.
1:00:51
So their hearts, hearts and their lungs makes Right.
1:00:52
Are huge.
1:00:53
Yeah.
1:00:53
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:00:54
So I'm sitting receiving this energy at a heart level.
1:00:58
There's not much I can do except let go of any fear.
1:01:01
But be wise, like you said, you have to be smart and conscious and staying present.
1:01:07
But to open up.
1:01:08
Yeah.
1:01:09
And allow that.
1:01:10
Ugh, it's just profound.
1:01:12
Yeah.
1:01:12
So that's my experience is this
1:01:14
Rupert Isaacson: one.
1:01:14
Absolutely.
1:01:14
No, absolutely.
1:01:15
And you know, the people at the HeartMath Institute in Northern
1:01:18
California would corroborate and put science to what you say.
1:01:22
And interestingly, even as far back as the early nineties, there was this really
1:01:27
interesting study done at the University of Castle in Germany of all places.
1:01:32
Mm-hmm.
1:01:32
You can imagine the Germans view, well, you know, measure the
1:01:35
Denise Elizabeth Byron: yes.
1:01:36
Rupert Isaacson: The measuring you think of heart, that's not a very
1:01:38
particularly German thing to do.
1:01:39
And I've lived in Germany and I've actually lived in Hessan where Castle
1:01:42
is, so I was quite surprised that
1:01:44
Denise Elizabeth Byron: yes,
1:01:44
Rupert Isaacson: that was what they came up with, but good on them.
1:01:47
And they found that hearts throw out all hearts throw out photons light
1:01:54
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:01:55
Rupert Isaacson: To quite a large radius.
1:01:58
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
1:01:58
Rupert Isaacson: And of course, when we're in fear that radius gets much less.
1:02:03
But when we are in a state of love and they measured this by make, putting
1:02:10
people in situations where they felt nice and were feeling loving towards
1:02:13
someone imagined or somebody in the room or whatever, and they, they
1:02:17
could measure the length that the photons went and they went really far.
1:02:24
I can't off the top of my head say what, you know, where they
1:02:27
stop being able to measure them.
1:02:28
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:02:28
There's a field
1:02:29
Rupert Isaacson: they stop.
1:02:29
Being able to measure them at that point doesn't mean
1:02:32
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Right.
1:02:32
Rupert Isaacson: That they, so, and then.
1:02:34
Interdimensionally, presumably.
1:02:36
And of course, what, what is light, but love because what is anything but love?
1:02:42
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Right,
1:02:42
Rupert Isaacson: right.
1:02:43
And what is the heart anyway?
1:02:44
Well, we know.
1:02:44
So yes, I, I absolutely agree with you.
1:02:47
If you're standing next to a horse and you focus on love,
1:02:56
things are gonna go well.
1:02:57
And of course you could say, well, that's anything.
1:03:00
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:03:01
Is it?
1:03:01
But it, but it's real.
1:03:02
This is a real thing.
1:03:04
It's measurable.
1:03:05
And I have had the profound good fortune to work with
1:03:09
Kansas Carradine, who combines
1:03:11
Rupert Isaacson: excellent human.
1:03:12
Yeah.
1:03:12
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:03:13
And, and just witnessing her, and she's done some work with me online
1:03:19
that we've done with HeartMath.
1:03:21
But I know her combination of HeartMath and working with
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horses is really profound.
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Rupert Isaacson: Absolutely.
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And everybody's listening.
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Go check out Kansas, Karen.
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I did a conversation with her.
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Warwick did a conversation with her, but go to circus cowgirl.com.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
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Rupert Isaacson: Check her out and consult with her.
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She's,
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: yeah.
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It's, and again, that, that real field of energy, it is
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measurable, just as you were saying.
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It's profound.
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But I guess from my experience, just feeling it, oh, it's just amazing.
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Rupert Isaacson: So I'm wonder back to charts.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Charts.
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Okay.
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Symbol,
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Rupert Isaacson: symbol charts
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: and horses.
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Do we want,
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Rupert Isaacson: well what, what is a chart but a measure?
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
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Rupert Isaacson: What is a tarot card, but a symbol, a set of symbols
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that helps to measure or interpret what are meters and like photon,
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photo, voltaic measure, you know?
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Yeah.
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They're all attempts to measure.
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And you could say, well, the ones that are not empirical can't be real.
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But if that's true, then there would be no irrational side to life.
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And we know that there is, we know that 50% of life is rational,
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50% of life is irrational.
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That is just how it is.
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Doctors with bad bedside manners kill their patients and doctors
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with great bedside manners who didn't do so well at medical school,
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their patients tend to get better.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: That's great.
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Rupert Isaacson: We can't measure this, but Yeah.
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But maybe we can, we can someday.
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Interestingly actually, my, my own uncle who was an eminent pathologist at
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London University and a man who would not be at all afraid to mock you at
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the dinner table if you thought that when we made the Horse boy movie and we
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had a little private showing of it to family, and he came and I thought, oh,
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he's gonna take a big shit all over me.
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So I went up to him at the end.
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And I opened an imaginary umbrella.
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Oh.
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And I got under it, and I said, now's your time, uncle Peter.
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Take a shit.
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Go on, surfs up.
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Give it, give it both barrels, you know, let, let's, let's have it.
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Yeah.
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And he said, actually, ruper, this time I'm not gonna take a shit.
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And I said, that's unlike you.
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Why would you not?
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And he said, well, two things.
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One is, remember, this is 20 years ago almost.
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You, you are saying that autism can actually be kind of a good thing.
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Well, that's kind of interesting actually.
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You know, haven't seen, looked at it that way before.
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That has, you know, that bears investigation.
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And he said, but the second thing is you've drawn attention to
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the irrational side of medicine.
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And I said, what?
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What do you mean?
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He said, well, I'm a pathologist.
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And so what you're looking at is probably the placebo effect.
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And I said, oh, he said, don't get me wrong.
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That's no disrespect.
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He said, Rupert, most people misunderstand the placebo effect.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
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Rupert Isaacson: Right?
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They'll dismiss something, say, oh, that's just the placebo effect.
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Meaning they fundamentally don't understand what the placebo effect is.
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He said, all of modern medicine, all of allopathic drug based medicine
1:06:24
relies upon this irrational thing.
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Because you have a drug trial, you have control groups.
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One of the control groups does not get the drug.
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It gets a placebo.
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And it's not until in multiple trials.
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The drug makes more people better than the placebo, that it can go on the market.
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And these people that get the placebo don't just like
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think they get better and die.
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Two weeks later they get better and they usually get better, more than the drug.
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And then they have to keep bringing the drug back to the drawing board
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until it, and he said, nobody can explain why this is Rupert.
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And so is it, is it possible that why what you are, you know, experiencing
1:07:07
with these shamans is a technology of harnessing that which is, goes back to
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the roots of what it means to be a human.
1:07:14
And that perhaps one day science will catch up with it and just gonna,
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I'm, I'm astonished Uncle Peter.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: I bet you were.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's amazing.
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You know, and I think any really good scientist is mystical.
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Rupert Isaacson: Yes.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: And when you really talk to scientists and they have
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to stay curious, science isn't just about the facts that already are in existence.
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Science are, is about what else can we learn?
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Rupert Isaacson: Exactly.
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If you're a good scientist.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: If you're a good scientist,
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Rupert Isaacson: right?
1:07:48
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
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So I have a question for you back to horses.
1:07:51
So now that through Warwick and so on, so many of the people that
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come to see you are horse people.
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I presume they're often coming with questions about their horses and
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questions about their relationships with their horses and so on.
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No.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Sometimes.
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Not all the time.
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Sometimes it's about them and how they can actually be with their horses better.
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How they can,
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Rupert Isaacson: okay, well that, that's sort of what I mean, really.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Can you give me, there must be patterns that emerge.
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What are the sort of patterns of the questions that tend to be asked
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to you, and what are some of the insights that come through you?
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Because one things that's cool about you is you, because you're
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not horsey, you're not coming with a pre, you know, horse people.
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We, we are all so opinionated and we all think we're right and you know this.
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And so it's very hard for us to look through a neutral lens.
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But you can, 'cause you're not horsey.
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So what are the main questions that people come with and Yeah.
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And, and what comes through for you?
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That's
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: a great, that's a great question.
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Also, I think a lot of times people really want to deep, so there's,
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there's a couple of categories.
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There's those that come because they want to deepen their own intuitive ability so
1:09:01
they can listen to their horses better.
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So we call that animal communication.
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That's a general term used.
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My job as an astrologer is looking at a chart and saying, well, from this
1:09:15
na perspective of where your planet's.
1:09:18
Started off with when you were born, here are the gifts that you are
1:09:22
carrying and you can develop, and if that is something you want to do more
1:09:27
of, here's how you can get there.
1:09:29
Here's your trajectory of deepening.
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In most of the time, I just have to say this, most of the time
1:09:36
people are already doing it.
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They just maybe just need somebody else to say, yes, you, this is real.
1:09:44
You're not making this up.
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And I can look at a chart and say like, we're the same age group,
1:09:50
so, our Neptune is in Scorpio.
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I can look at a Neptune in Scorpio and say, generally, generally
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speaking, Neptune and Scorpio people have access to a tremendous
1:10:02
amount of that other realm type of.
1:10:06
Intuition or connection to your interest and, and willingness to dive into what
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we're diving into today and what you've been diving into your whole life.
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It isn't just from the Neptune and Scorpio, that's just one
1:10:20
particular way I can look for it.
1:10:22
I can look at where Pluto is in a chart.
1:10:25
So I'm helping people understand themselves and understand their evolution
1:10:29
as a soul, which then helps them relax, I hope, into being themselves and opening
1:10:38
up to their natural gifts, which just like you and I've been talking about,
1:10:42
most people are naturally intuitive.
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I, I can't, I, I would like to say all people are naturally intuitive
1:10:49
Rupert Isaacson: in my experience.
1:10:49
I think all
1:10:50
Denise Elizabeth Byron: people, yeah.
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I mean, and that it's
1:10:51
Rupert Isaacson: in
1:10:51
Denise Elizabeth Byron: our species.
1:10:52
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:10:53
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
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I mean, whether we shut it down or don't shut it down or develop it.
1:10:57
So a lot of people will show up for that, some people.
1:11:01
Another, another level of conversation very often is I'm doing this
1:11:07
healing modality with horses.
1:11:09
How can I leave my regular job?
1:11:13
Start my work in this realm.
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So, because of my background, which we're not gonna go into all the details,
1:11:20
but other jobs that I've done and other other parts of my life, I love looking
1:11:25
at people's paths of livelihood and paths of soul work and paths of devotion.
1:11:32
And then if there's a way to connect our passion and what we
1:11:36
love with a livelihood, then let's do, and it, that's another, that's
1:11:43
nuancing a whole different way.
1:11:45
It also involves very much honoring and listening to a more spiritually
1:11:52
supported path maybe than a more materially supported path.
1:11:57
Although sometimes those two don't go, go together obviously, but there is,
1:12:02
there's so many conversations that I have and I love it because each person
1:12:08
to a person, this just has always just made me feel, I don't even know, it just
1:12:14
blows my mind, I guess, to a person.
1:12:16
Every horse person I have ever worked with goes back, listens to their
1:12:21
recordings, takes notes, and wants to deepen their evolution of their soul.
1:12:27
They want to become better people.
1:12:29
They want to become better in relationship with their horses.
1:12:33
And they're friends and family too.
1:12:35
But you know,
1:12:36
Rupert Isaacson: but mostly the horses.
1:12:37
Denise Elizabeth Byron: It's the horses.
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You know, it's a nice side product, you know, side, side benefit that you get to
1:12:42
be better at relationships in general.
1:12:45
But it is that relationship and I always bring it back to self.
1:12:48
And I think people are really hard on themselves.
1:12:52
And like I was saying before, when we're really hard on ourselves or, or
1:12:56
we have too much expectation, we're gonna shut down that intuitive side.
1:13:01
It's the listening, it's the open.
1:13:03
It's like you were saying with the heart, when you're on the horse, you're, you're
1:13:07
kind of forced into this openness that you
1:13:11
Rupert Isaacson: have to go to the other side of fear.
1:13:13
You
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: do.
1:13:13
Yeah.
1:13:13
And you, yeah.
1:13:14
And you talk about that, that dimension that the horses take you into, right?
1:13:20
Mm-hmm.
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That's, I think, why I can connect with this beautiful community is
1:13:25
because you already know that there's another dimension beyond this.
1:13:30
There's multiple dimensions beyond this.
1:13:33
Rupert Isaacson: Here's another question.
1:13:35
When we look at astrology, we're looking at a solar system that has
1:13:39
been known to us because we sit on this planet and we look up at the sky.
1:13:43
And, but although recently, you know, Pluto's been added to that.
1:13:46
Mm-hmm.
1:13:47
And we think other planets may, there may be this mysterious planet
1:13:53
X or the ninth planet or whatever.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Oh yeah.
1:13:54
There's quite a number now.
1:13:55
Rupert Isaacson: Yes.
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Right.
1:13:56
And.
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But in astrology, of course, these unknowns are not, astrology is often
1:14:03
presented as a sort of a, a fixed, like there are these planets and they
1:14:10
relate to the sun on the moon like this and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
1:14:14
And often I'm wondering, yeah, but aren't there more?
1:14:18
And
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: yes, and actually,
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Rupert Isaacson: and if there are, what are they doing and why aren't they talked
1:14:22
about or how are they talked about?
1:14:23
Or
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: I have been blessed with a
1:14:26
mentor who, this is his forte.
1:14:30
Looking at asteroids, looking at the moons of planets, looking at planets
1:14:35
further out, looking at black holes, looking at everything that's astronomical.
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Mm-hmm.
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And how it can be interpreted astrologically, there is, there
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astrology is actually a, a, something that's evolving all the time.
1:14:51
There is traditional astrology and nothing wrong with that.
1:14:55
It works really, really well.
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It's powerful.
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But evolutionary astrology is something that, where it's changing,
1:15:01
it's shifting, it's growing.
1:15:03
And I have lots of books here and behind me.
1:15:07
There's also me looking at astrology.
1:15:11
From a different lens, you know, astrology, like everything else
1:15:15
has a very patriarchal lens.
1:15:17
It has a colonial lens, if you will, to some extent.
1:15:21
Not
1:15:21
Rupert Isaacson: entirely though.
1:15:21
There, there, there is a,
1:15:22
Denise Elizabeth Byron: not entirely,
1:15:24
Rupert Isaacson: I'd say it's one of the, one of the areas
1:15:25
where you get a kind of a real,
1:15:28
Denise Elizabeth Byron: it's somewhat a
1:15:28
Rupert Isaacson: balance, do you?
1:15:29
Not,
1:15:30
Denise Elizabeth Byron: depending on Yes, yes and no.
1:15:33
Venus obviously is well represented, right?
1:15:35
Aphrodite, Venus moon, the moon, moon is considered the more of a feminine.
1:15:41
But I will just say this, and again, we don't have to, but
1:15:43
Rupert Isaacson: the planets themselves are mostly male.
1:15:45
Denise Elizabeth Byron: They are.
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I don't wanna belabor it, but this is really, this is really
1:15:48
Rupert Isaacson: good information.
1:15:49
Well, those mostly in German.
1:15:49
In German, the sun is female.
1:15:51
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Oh, I know that.
1:15:52
That's cool.
1:15:53
Rupert Isaacson: Isn't that interesting?
1:15:54
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I love it as it should be.
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No, I'm fine with whatever it is.
1:15:58
But there are asteroids and astronomers have, in recent years
1:16:04
really focused on naming new objects after women goddesses in particular.
1:16:14
Rupert Isaacson: I've noticed that.
1:16:15
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:16:15
What's, yeah, what's really interesting is to look at some of
1:16:20
these goddesses and then go back in time, preyer even, and look at the
1:16:28
matriarchal lens of something similar.
1:16:31
And just notice, it's just a noticing.
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How can this.
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Goddess who has come to us in a particular form.
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We could take Diana, a moon goddess, right.
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Artemis.
1:16:42
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: In astrology, there is a asteroid,
1:16:45
Diana that we can track.
1:16:47
There's Vesta or hesta we can track goddess.
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Yeah.
1:16:52
We can track a lot of them in a chart.
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Juno is another one that we track a lot for relationships.
1:16:57
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
1:16:58
Denise Elizabeth Byron: If you look at the patriarchal connection to Juno, they want
1:17:02
Juno to, I'm not kidding, this is real.
1:17:06
They want Juno to let women know that suffering because of her
1:17:10
husband is part of the deal.
1:17:13
It's just part of
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Rupert Isaacson: what Yeah.
1:17:14
She gets, she gets revenge all the time.
1:17:16
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Oh yeah.
1:17:16
She gets revenge.
1:17:18
Rupert Isaacson: All sorts of horrible
1:17:19
Denise Elizabeth Byron: things.
1:17:19
But if you go back earlier in time
1:17:22
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:17:22
Denise Elizabeth Byron: What they based Juno on was really
1:17:25
an advocate of all people, but particularly women and children.
1:17:30
Rupert Isaacson: Sure.
1:17:30
And, and just back to that, you like the Greek thing of inventing
1:17:34
the Amazons as people that had to be conquered by their male heroes.
1:17:37
Yeah.
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When in fact they were trading partners.
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Yeah.
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And probably the people coming back on the ships from Scalia
1:17:44
who had exchanged, you know, with probably some high status female
1:17:50
Denise Elizabeth Byron: mm-hmm.
1:17:50
Rupert Isaacson: Warrior leader tattooed.
1:17:53
And the lead, the, the high status lead woman probably went away
1:17:56
thinking, well that was a good deal.
1:17:57
I, you know, made a bit of money there.
1:17:59
And bit puny these Greeks, but hey, and the, the Greek went away going, oh
1:18:03
God, they're a bit wild, aren't they?
1:18:04
Well, well, I got some good pelts there, but we can't have those people coming back
1:18:08
to, to Athens, but yeah, I I hear you.
1:18:12
We, we have inherited a largely patriarchal
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Well, yeah, and it's fine.
1:18:18
It's just, we need to sort through it.
1:18:20
So when we're looking at a chart and we're looking at how can these planets,
1:18:25
which are, I mean, they're fascinating.
1:18:27
How can these planets give us information?
1:18:30
I have to look back and say, there's thousands of years of support for this.
1:18:34
This is a question.
1:18:35
A lot of people have this question, how can the planets, which actually
1:18:38
don't line up in the same way they did thousands of years ago,
1:18:41
astronomically and astrologically?
1:18:43
How does it all still work?
1:18:44
Mm-hmm.
1:18:45
It just does.
1:18:46
And a lot, and again, that's not a scientific answer at all, but it's just
1:18:51
that when we look at the interpretation of how the sun, the moon the, what was on the
1:18:58
the horizon, what we call the rising sign, what was on the horizon when we were born?
1:19:02
How Saturn, can I just talk about your, your generation?
1:19:07
Sure.
1:19:07
Just for a minute.
1:19:08
Okay.
1:19:08
So I, I'm guessing, based on things you've said, you were born
1:19:12
in the later part of the sixties.
1:19:14
Rupert Isaacson: 1967.
1:19:15
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay.
1:19:15
So 1966.
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In 1967, so 1966, those people fire horses.
1:19:22
They're all in their fire
1:19:24
Rupert Isaacson: horse here.
1:19:24
And I'm still fire horse 'cause I'm, I'm just Oh, cool.
1:19:27
February.
1:19:27
Yeah.
1:19:27
So I'm
1:19:28
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay.
1:19:29
Rupert Isaacson: I, I, I, interesting.
1:19:30
Squeeze in by a whisker, like a
1:19:31
Denise Elizabeth Byron: felt
1:19:32
Rupert Isaacson: done.
1:19:32
That's actually going to be a question of mine.
1:19:34
About a, how does the Chinese stuff marry up with the western stuff?
1:19:39
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay.
1:19:39
Rupert Isaacson: B, Northern hemisphere.
1:19:41
Southern hemisphere.
1:19:42
'cause it must be Oh
1:19:42
Denise Elizabeth Byron: yeah.
1:19:43
Rupert Isaacson: Flipped on its head.
1:19:44
Yeah.
1:19:44
They're different, you know.
1:19:44
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:19:45
Rupert Isaacson: And c yeah, let's talk, we wanna talk about fire horses
1:19:48
because it's the year of the fire horse.
1:19:49
Okay.
1:19:49
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Well,
1:19:50
Rupert Isaacson: but yeah, I am a fire horse for sure.
1:19:52
Yeah.
1:19:52
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay, good.
1:19:52
All right.
1:19:53
I'm gonna dovetail this in.
1:19:54
So, Western astrology fire horse, I'll, I'll make a, I'll make a link here.
1:19:58
Rupert Isaacson: So I'm an Aquarius fire horse.
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Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay.
1:20:56
That would make sense.
1:20:56
You would have to be born in early February of that year.
1:20:59
Yeah, February 4th of 67.
1:21:00
Okay.
1:21:01
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:21:01
Denise Elizabeth Byron: So in 66 and actually starting in
1:21:04
63, building in 64, 65, 66, 67.
1:21:10
There's a combination of two planets in Virgo, Uranus, and
1:21:15
Pluto that are very close together.
1:21:18
And then two planets,
1:21:20
Rupert Isaacson: so many jokes.
1:21:21
So little time, sorry.
1:21:23
Denise Elizabeth Byron: And then.
1:21:25
In Pisces, we have Chiron and Saturn.
1:21:28
So in your year and in 1966, and even in my year in 64 they're
1:21:33
opposite each other in these two signs that represent so very simply.
1:21:38
This is very simple.
1:21:40
Pisces would be, oh, look at that.
1:21:43
Rupert Isaacson: What happened there?
1:21:44
And why did that
1:21:44
Denise Elizabeth Byron: happen?
1:21:45
We're we're, we're having fun.
1:21:47
This is great.
1:21:48
Rupert Isaacson: Did you see that?
1:21:49
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah, that was great.
1:21:50
A little extra bonus from the other realms
1:21:53
Rupert Isaacson: for those who are listening, a bunch of balloons just went
1:21:56
up in our screens for no reason at all.
1:21:59
Denise Elizabeth Byron: It, it's a gesture thing, but it's, it never
1:22:02
happens when I try to make it.
1:22:03
Rupert Isaacson: Thank you.
1:22:04
Denise Elizabeth Byron: It never happens when I try
1:22:06
Rupert Isaacson: on the realm.
1:22:07
Denise Elizabeth Byron: It only happens when the universe, oh,
1:22:14
Rupert Isaacson: what,
1:22:17
Denise Elizabeth Byron: what
1:22:19
Rupert Isaacson: we mess.
1:22:20
Denise Elizabeth Byron: It only happens when the universe makes it happen.
1:22:23
Okay, so I have to say this, I have to finish this.
1:22:25
So these, these planets lining up, right?
1:22:29
Pisces is the healer, the compassion, the mystic, the spiritual, right?
1:22:36
Virgo is healing.
1:22:39
It's looking at the healing arts.
1:22:41
It's service, it's work, it's devotion.
1:22:46
And so in your chart, wherever they may be, they're opposite each other.
1:22:50
And they are, they create what I call a conduit that opens you up as someone who
1:22:57
wants to bring the spiritual and, and a bit of the scientific really in some
1:23:02
form, something very practical into the world that is going to help with healing.
1:23:09
And we obviously, we heal ourselves first.
1:23:11
Virgo also represents a lot about psychology mental, physical wellbeing.
1:23:17
So there's, this is the beauty of our astrology is it gives us clues
1:23:24
as to where we go in this lifetime.
1:23:27
Why did my soul choose this lifetime?
1:23:29
How do I wanna evolve?
1:23:31
And because of the balloons, I can't remember where we started
1:23:33
this part of the conversation.
1:23:35
Rupert Isaacson: We, we
1:23:38
Denise Elizabeth Byron: blame it on the balloons.
1:23:41
Rupert Isaacson: I can't telling you that happened.
1:23:43
Only for those of you who are listening a whole bunch, like two or three times.
1:23:47
Denise Elizabeth Byron: It's never happened to me, me before.
1:23:49
Like that
1:23:49
Rupert Isaacson: went spontaneously up through both of our screens.
1:23:51
Denise Elizabeth Byron: No, the cosmos is saying, listen, this is to celebrate that.
1:23:55
Okay, so fire horse.
1:23:57
Absolutely.
1:23:57
Celebratory
1:23:57
Rupert Isaacson: fire
1:23:58
Denise Elizabeth Byron: horse.
1:23:58
Yeah.
1:23:58
Celebrating.
1:23:59
Okay.
1:24:00
So fire horses 1966, early 1967.
1:24:04
The fire horse.
1:24:05
Oh, how does Chinese astrology they're very different.
1:24:08
They're extraordinarily different.
1:24:10
I'm lucky that I know, just enough to know, just enough.
1:24:14
But there are elements, I think of the fire horse that bring a lot
1:24:18
of resiliency, a lot of strength.
1:24:20
Obviously you've got some fire, so there's passion.
1:24:22
You've got the horse.
1:24:24
All of those qualities that you attributed to the horse
1:24:27
are real in Chinese astrology.
1:24:29
So when I combine them with the Western astrology, and I look at this connection
1:24:34
between the Pisces Virgo, and then there's, you know, a whole bunch of
1:24:37
other things, obviously in a chart.
1:24:38
What I'm aware of is that fire horse people came here to really work
1:24:46
in the healing realms with the, the, the qi or the, you know, the
1:24:51
strength of this inner flame, this energy, this life horse energy.
1:24:57
So when a fire horse is not happy, when a fire horse is feeling a little
1:25:04
down, they need to come back to themselves and do that inner healing
1:25:08
and say, what am I not expressing?
1:25:11
Because you are a conduit.
1:25:12
This is who you are, this is how you're designed, and so how can
1:25:17
you work with your life force energy, continue to create a greater
1:25:22
capacity for that and keep going.
1:25:25
And, you know, 60.
1:25:27
The age of 60 is we're, I always feel blessed if we get to live to be 60.
1:25:33
How, how amazing that is.
1:25:36
And so what wisdom can you share?
1:25:37
But you considering how
1:25:38
Rupert Isaacson: many times you've said, hold my beer.
1:25:40
Yeah.
1:25:42
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Right.
1:25:42
And you know, you say you've got this Saturn and Chiron in Pisces very often.
1:25:49
And what happens there is by age 59, which you must have just turned 59.
1:25:56
Rupert Isaacson: Yes.
1:25:56
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah, I did.
1:25:57
Yeah.
1:25:57
You are in your Saturn return, which is to say Saturn is coming back
1:26:01
to where it was when you were born
1:26:03
Rupert Isaacson: Uhhuh.
1:26:04
Denise Elizabeth Byron: And so it is your time to deepen into the lessons you've
1:26:07
learned and to step into your wisdom and something I really feel about horses.
1:26:13
So again, kind of bringing more of that back into the conversation.
1:26:17
I've always felt from the time I was very little that horses and whales, horses and
1:26:23
whales were in particular wisdom keepers.
1:26:26
One was in the water and one was on land.
1:26:29
Now obviously cats are, dogs are, every animal is a
1:26:31
Rupert Isaacson: wisdom.
1:26:32
I often think of horses as land dolphins.
1:26:33
Yeah.
1:26:34
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Oh, that's great.
1:26:35
I love that.
1:26:37
I love that.
1:26:38
So the, the wisdom that those of you that are 59, 60, 61, when we get to
1:26:45
that, if we are lucky enough to live into that age, it is I think important
1:26:49
for us to, to really consider.
1:26:53
How we wanna share our wisdom in the world.
1:26:55
So then we can look at a chart again and say, well, how, how do we want Kansas?
1:27:01
And I actually, I just taught a class with Kansas on Saturn.
1:27:05
And I had brought Kansas in to do some heart math with us so we
1:27:10
could connect with our hearts.
1:27:11
'cause Saturn can feel very like, oh, mental.
1:27:15
But it's, you know, again, being embodied as you know, from your
1:27:18
work being in your body is huge.
1:27:19
Otherwise, the wisdom, it it, it's not just here, it's everywhere.
1:27:24
And so, how do you wanna live into your wisdom?
1:27:27
So fire horses is, it is, I think it's your time to really, you know,
1:27:34
again, and I think Rupert, for what you do and how you teach, it's exactly
1:27:40
right for a fire horse right now.
1:27:43
Don't get on the horse until you have made a connection.
1:27:50
You're listening.
1:27:52
You ask, just because it's a fire horse here does not mean to go fast.
1:27:57
And in fact, right now, while you and I are talking in early March
1:28:02
we're having a Mercury retrograde.
1:28:04
The last thing anybody needs to do is get on a horse and gallop away.
1:28:07
Right now.
1:28:08
Rupert Isaacson: Why?
1:28:08
What is a Mercury, mercury retrograde, and why, why does
1:28:11
it lead us to that conclusion?
1:28:12
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay, so Mercury, it can lead us to many
1:28:15
conclusions, but Mercury is our planet that moves the fastest.
1:28:19
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
1:28:19
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay.
1:28:20
And when it retrogrades, which is again, it's engaging in a, an elliptical orbit
1:28:25
that looks like it's going backwards.
1:28:27
Mm-hmm.
1:28:28
In a astrology chart, but let me just say, it's not going backwards, obviously.
1:28:33
Mm-hmm.
1:28:33
In the sky.
1:28:34
But Mercury gives us reminders about communication.
1:28:38
Certainly it relates to technology, it relates to anything thinking ideas.
1:28:44
And the idea of a retrograde is a resting place, place.
1:28:48
An idea of a retrograde is a place where we renew, we refresh, we review, we
1:28:54
don't have to jump forward all the time.
1:28:57
That would not be wise, right?
1:28:59
I mean, if we're just constant,
1:29:00
Rupert Isaacson: why would it not be wise?
1:29:01
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Well, if you're constantly jumping forward,
1:29:04
when are you ever integrating,
1:29:08
you know, integration is where the wisdom comes from.
1:29:12
Gathering knowledge is great, but if you don't take time to integrate it,
1:29:17
Rupert Isaacson: if you're eating all the time, you can't digest.
1:29:20
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Exactly.
1:29:21
Exactly.
1:29:22
I mean, that's exactly it.
1:29:23
So we are at a, currently when we're recording this in a time where we
1:29:27
don't wanna move too quickly but there will come times this year
1:29:30
where we want to move quickly.
1:29:32
The fire horse will say, yes, let's go for a ride.
1:29:36
Let's, let's, let's go on a new adventure.
1:29:39
Rupert Isaacson: When does the Mercury Retrograde end?
1:29:41
And then
1:29:41
Denise Elizabeth Byron: for this, this timeframe, March
1:29:43
20th, we have three of them.
1:29:45
Yeah.
1:29:46
Three of them a year.
1:29:47
Yeah.
1:29:47
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
1:29:48
Denise Elizabeth Byron: So, and for some of us side note, just a little side note,
1:29:53
I was born with needle mercury retrograde, which there have been some studies
1:29:59
done that people born with a, a mercury retrograde have a little neurodiversity,
1:30:04
often brains work a little differently.
1:30:07
During Mercury retrograde, my brain works really well.
1:30:11
It's a great time for me to write.
1:30:13
It's a great time for me to get things done.
1:30:15
I'm working on my taxes, you know, it's fabulous.
1:30:21
The rest of the time, eh, you know, I go slow.
1:30:25
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:30:26
Interesting.
1:30:27
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:30:27
Rupert Isaacson: So interesting.
1:30:30
Okay, here's a question.
1:30:31
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:30:32
Rupert Isaacson: Most astrology that we know of, or all astrology that
1:30:35
we know of that comes out of it, comes out of the Northern hemisphere.
1:30:38
So, i've often wondered, and you know, my family's South African.
1:30:42
When we look up at the sky down there, it's completely different.
1:30:45
Denise Elizabeth Byron: It is
1:30:45
Rupert Isaacson: completely different.
1:30:46
I mean, it's not that we don't have some of the same heavenly bodies,
1:30:48
but we have other heavenly bodies down there that don't appear up here.
1:30:51
The Southern cross is, is an obvious one and some crossover.
1:30:56
So Orion is there.
1:30:57
The player Ds are there, I guess the planets there.
1:30:59
So, but they, of course, the seasons are reversed.
1:31:04
So is astrology reversed down there?
1:31:08
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Wow.
1:31:09
You know, all I know, I, I ha I have my mentor Philip Sedgwick in my head.
1:31:14
I wish I could channel him right now.
1:31:17
The, the, the easy answer for me is it works because there's an adjustment
1:31:21
in astrology that makes it work.
1:31:23
So when you put in, when you're putting in the time of birth, which
1:31:27
is latitude and longitude and time of birth are, are vital for a chart.
1:31:33
So when you're putting in latitude and longitude, the chart automatically
1:31:37
adjusts in the way it needs to for me to be able to read it.
1:31:40
Rupert Isaacson: Oh, I see.
1:31:41
Denise Elizabeth Byron: But see, Philip could, Philip, he
1:31:43
lives on this side of my head.
1:31:44
For those of you that can't see, I'm gesturing to my left for no
1:31:49
good reason other than Philip living over here in my head.
1:31:53
He would know why.
1:31:53
He could tell you the exact technical one.
1:31:55
Rupert Isaacson: Who is Philip, by the way?
1:31:56
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Philip Sedwick is this very interesting
1:31:58
astrologer who lives in Arizona.
1:32:01
Rupert Isaacson: Should we be talking to him?
1:32:03
Denise Elizabeth Byron: You know, you would probably love talking to him.
1:32:06
He's Philip
1:32:06
Rupert Isaacson: Sedgwick.
1:32:07
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:32:07
He's really interesting.
1:32:08
And he, again, he looks at black holes.
1:32:11
Okay.
1:32:11
G lactic anomalies and astronomy.
1:32:15
And I think as an astrologer it is, I, you know, he has brought
1:32:20
something into my awareness that a lot of other astrologers don't study.
1:32:26
So I've, I've always appreciated that I have a lot of excellent mentors.
1:32:31
I really believe in mentors.
1:32:33
Rupert Isaacson: Can you give us a bit of an idea of what he says
1:32:34
about the anomalies, the black holes, the asteroids, and so forth?
1:32:38
Denise Elizabeth Byron: In my very simple way I can say it from my own chart because
1:32:42
he's taught me a lot through my own chart.
1:32:44
Rupert Isaacson: Mm.
1:32:44
Denise Elizabeth Byron: So I have I wonder, do you know
1:32:47
where your moon is in astrology?
1:32:50
Rupert Isaacson: In my own particular one?
1:32:51
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:32:52
In your chart.
1:32:52
Rupert Isaacson: Does that mean you have to know what time you were born?
1:32:55
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:32:56
Or a day?
1:32:56
I mean, for the moon?
1:32:57
It just depends on the day.
1:32:58
Rupert Isaacson: Well,
1:32:58
Denise Elizabeth Byron: it doesn't matter if you don't.
1:32:59
It's okay.
1:33:00
Rupert Isaacson: 1967, but I, I, I think it might have been a Saturday and I can
1:33:04
never remember whether my mom said it was nine o'clock in the morning or midnight.
1:33:07
I, I can never remember.
1:33:07
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay.
1:33:08
It doesn't matter.
1:33:09
I'll just say it from my, from where I am.
1:33:11
So when I was born, my moon was in Sagittarius at a particular degree,
1:33:16
and that degree of Sagittarius correlates with a galactic.
1:33:21
Anomaly of some kind.
1:33:23
So he spends his time, and again, he's combining the astronomy and the astrology,
1:33:29
and he's looking at what does a galactic anomaly or a black hole or something,
1:33:36
how does that affect the personality?
1:33:38
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
1:33:38
Denise Elizabeth Byron: And so he has assigned some qualities to people
1:33:42
like me who have, let's say, my rising sign is also a conjunctive black hole.
1:33:48
I, you know, he has ways of doing this.
1:33:51
And what it does is it, I feel like for me, it says, I am responsible.
1:33:56
I have to be responsible about how I conduct myself in the world.
1:34:02
And here's how my partner David, would explain it
1:34:05
Rupert Isaacson: more so than others.
1:34:06
I mean, that
1:34:07
Denise Elizabeth Byron: could be anyway.
1:34:08
Yes.
1:34:08
And I'll tell you why.
1:34:09
Because there's energy there.
1:34:11
There's energy there.
1:34:12
So I'll give you a fun example.
1:34:13
David said, David always talks about this every time, wherever we go.
1:34:16
What does
1:34:16
Rupert Isaacson: David do, by the way?
1:34:18
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Oh, he is a, a doctor of medical Qigong who also does a
1:34:23
deep, deep dive into Daoist inner alchemy.
1:34:27
Okay.
1:34:27
And so he works with, sounds like
1:34:28
Rupert Isaacson: we should have him on the show.
1:34:29
Okay.
1:34:29
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah, you should definitely, you guys
1:34:31
would have a great conversation.
1:34:33
Yeah.
1:34:33
Yeah.
1:34:34
A lot of really, a lot of depth there.
1:34:36
And again, looking at it from, again, the eastern.
1:34:39
Mm, the Eastern philosophies.
1:34:42
So anyway, when I go into a place, if it's empty, like our local coffee place, if I
1:34:47
walk, we walk over there in the morning.
1:34:49
If it's empty, invariably within two minutes it will be full.
1:34:56
And this was a thing when I lived in Santa Cruz.
1:35:00
I used to go to a particular chocolate shop that doesn't exist anymore, where
1:35:04
they would have sipping chocolate and I would go sit in the back so I could
1:35:08
do my work and just be out of the way.
1:35:09
And I would just watch as people just came in.
1:35:14
That's a black holy fact.
1:35:17
So how am I going to manage that?
1:35:19
I'm gonna just be very aware that I need to, and this is,
1:35:23
I really, really believe this.
1:35:25
I need to remember that I, like every, everybody else is
1:35:30
a vehicle of light and love.
1:35:32
And I, I have to start my day and I do this every day.
1:35:35
I am a vehicle of light and love and so are you and so is everyone else.
1:35:40
I just wanna be more mindful that that is the energy that I'm channeling.
1:35:43
Because if I'm not in a good place, it's not pretty.
1:35:49
Rupert Isaacson: So, not pretty not for pretty, for people who come
1:35:52
into your orbit, not pretty for you?
1:35:54
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Pretty much, yeah.
1:35:55
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:35:55
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Not, not, not a happy day for anybody.
1:35:58
You know, but, and I think all of us can make a case for that in general
1:36:01
because like we've been talking about, we do have these energy fields that
1:36:04
come out from our bodies, right?
1:36:06
So if anybody gets caught in that energy field may not be a good thing.
1:36:10
But I do think some of us, and again, Philip could obviously give you a lot
1:36:14
more understanding of this, but the way our planets connect with these
1:36:18
black holes or the way they connect with the, you know, the galactic,
1:36:24
there's something called the Galactic Center and the Super Galactic Center.
1:36:28
And I just happen to have a lot of planets connecting a lot of those together.
1:36:32
So, okay.
1:36:33
Yeah.
1:36:34
Rupert Isaacson: I want to go back to animals.
1:36:36
Okay.
1:36:36
So you've talked about some past life stuff and we talked about ancestor
1:36:40
stuff and we know that to be a human in the wild state is usually to have
1:36:48
a relationship with about 300 species that is quite intimate because we're
1:36:54
also creatures, we're amphibious.
1:36:57
So all the earliest sapiens sapiens stuff, there's previous humans that
1:37:02
didn't really go much near the sea, but we are very much margin of land and water.
1:37:07
So it's not just the it's not just the land animals for us.
1:37:10
Okay.
1:37:11
Right.
1:37:11
And when you talk, when one hears people talking about
1:37:15
past lives, it's interesting.
1:37:17
They often talk about their time as another human, but I don't hear
1:37:20
people talking about their time as a, as a sea turtle or their time as
1:37:25
a boll weevil or their time as Right.
1:37:28
You know, and that could simply be, 'cause that isn't memory.
1:37:31
And that, but I presume that, that if we're talking
1:37:37
about fields of consciousness
1:37:39
Denise Elizabeth Byron: mm-hmm.
1:37:39
Rupert Isaacson: And interweaving fields of consciousness and that souls
1:37:46
in whatever way and whatever souls are, move to some degree through
1:37:53
these fields of consciousness.
1:37:54
Mm-hmm.
1:37:55
I imagine that two things.
1:37:56
I imagine that if there's other dimensions, which clearly there must
1:38:00
be presumably we move through those, so we must have lives in those as well.
1:38:06
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
1:38:07
Rupert Isaacson: And presumably we must go into the fields of consciousness
1:38:10
of animals, plants, rocks, planets.
1:38:18
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:38:18
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:38:19
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I would
1:38:19
Rupert Isaacson: agree.
1:38:19
The time, the time when I was Mercury, the time when I was an earthworm.
1:38:23
The time when I was,
1:38:25
Denise Elizabeth Byron: you know, the winged messenger.
1:38:27
Yes, yes.
1:38:28
Yeah.
1:38:28
Rupert Isaacson: You know, the time when I was an earthworm on mercury.
1:38:31
Well, that probably didn't happen unless it's mercury in another
1:38:33
dimension where it has an atmosphere.
1:38:35
But.
1:38:37
Do you know what I mean?
1:38:37
It seems to me that there must be so much infinite diversity.
1:38:42
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
1:38:44
Agreed.
1:38:44
Rupert Isaacson: How is it, is it just simply that because we are looking
1:38:48
through this particular lens when we're in a human lifetime mm-hmm.
1:38:52
We're going to interpret it in that way.
1:38:54
Mm-hmm.
1:38:55
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:38:56
I, I wanna be respectful too.
1:38:57
There are certain cultures and spiritual traditions that really,
1:39:01
that really do think that human souls only reincarnate into human souls.
1:39:07
So I wanna be very respectful.
1:39:09
Rupert Isaacson: Mm.
1:39:09
Denise Elizabeth Byron: That that is, that is a teaching that comes through.
1:39:12
Mm-hmm.
1:39:13
It isn't my personal belief.
1:39:16
Let's say I like you, I'm thinking, well, you know, we, I
1:39:21
mean, think about it this way.
1:39:22
Rupert Isaacson: We must also be aliens sometimes, right?
1:39:24
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah, absolutely.
1:39:25
I mean, how do you know we're not right now?
1:39:28
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:39:28
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I mean, you know, this is the thing, you
1:39:31
Rupert Isaacson: know, and yeah.
1:39:31
If there's spores that come in from outer space and there's right elements
1:39:35
that come in from outer space,
1:39:36
Denise Elizabeth Byron: we are must, stardust, must
1:39:37
Rupert Isaacson: be, yeah.
1:39:38
Yeah.
1:39:38
I
1:39:38
Denise Elizabeth Byron: mean, the physical body, we, everything in us
1:39:41
ourselves, it, that's a proven fact.
1:39:44
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
1:39:44
Denise Elizabeth Byron: We actually,
1:39:45
Rupert Isaacson: no, for sure,
1:39:45
Denise Elizabeth Byron: for sure.
1:39:45
Yeah.
1:39:46
That's scientific.
1:39:47
But from a consciousness point of view, this is, again, this, this is
1:39:50
one of my favorite things to think about, talk about is what is that
1:39:55
really, you know, if we are all one consciousness on some level, and then
1:39:59
we differentiate into these forms, I could have easily come back as this plant
1:40:04
that's sitting next to me or come back as a, you know, in an animal's form.
1:40:10
Or like you said, the, the, I mean the crystals, the rocks.
1:40:14
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
1:40:14
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Everything has something in it.
1:40:16
And I think as we get further along with our science, we
1:40:19
are actually finding that out.
1:40:21
That is, that is actually being proven every day in
1:40:24
Rupert Isaacson: some I I would agree.
1:40:25
I, how did I hear it?
1:40:26
Brilliantly expressed the other day by some physicist or other, but anyway,
1:40:31
one, one listens to these podcasts, but it, it, it really resonated with me.
1:40:34
Mm-hmm.
1:40:35
Maybe somebody listening, you can put me straight if you heard this one too,
1:40:40
that the idea is that if there is a field of energy or consciousness or love.
1:40:46
And that that is everything.
1:40:47
Mm-hmm.
1:40:47
Presumably that permeates all dimensions.
1:40:50
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Exactly.
1:40:50
Rupert Isaacson: Because there, there's what isn't, what isn't.
1:40:53
So what is must be love.
1:40:56
Okay.
1:40:56
So if that therefore must permeate, permeate all dimensions, all
1:41:01
solar systems, all spiritual realms or all this and all that.
1:41:05
My shoe.
1:41:06
Yes.
1:41:06
Your glasses.
1:41:08
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:41:08
Everything.
1:41:08
Rupert Isaacson: My fingernail, you know, the gravel outside
1:41:11
there in, in my stable yard.
1:41:12
Which is old seashells, which is Yeah.
1:41:14
Living mass, you know, the, the, the plastic on my computer
1:41:17
mouse, which is a fossil forest.
1:41:19
Mm-hmm.
1:41:19
Hmm.
1:41:20
The
1:41:24
way it was explained was
1:41:28
this consciousness, this love,
1:41:32
if one thinks of it like a, like an ocean mm-hmm.
1:41:35
Oceans come together with certain energies and form waves.
1:41:39
When we look at a wave, we say that's a wave.
1:41:41
Like it's, yes, this thing almost a bit separate from the ocean because it looks
1:41:46
like it, it, it, the ocean is sort of that blue bit there and that wave, it's that
1:41:50
white bit that's going up the cliff there.
1:41:53
But then when it crashes on the cliff and it goes back, it goes
1:41:55
to the, becomes the ocean again.
1:41:56
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:41:57
Rupert Isaacson: And that, but what creates the wave is.
1:42:02
A concentration of matter and energy within that ocean that
1:42:06
makes it behave like that.
1:42:08
Yes.
1:42:08
And then you can have lots and lots and lots and lots of them
1:42:11
all in community together.
1:42:13
And those are like the wave people, but a few miles away over
1:42:18
there you've got the flat people.
1:42:20
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:42:21
Rupert Isaacson: And up there you've got the water vapor people and you know,
1:42:27
over there you've got the rain people.
1:42:30
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
1:42:31
Rupert Isaacson: But they're all the same.
1:42:33
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:42:33
Rupert Isaacson: Just, you know, and, and they can be, each one of those can
1:42:37
be any of those things at any time.
1:42:38
And that made perfect sense to me.
1:42:40
It's like I see, yes.
1:42:43
Light, for example, you know, people often talk about matter being light.
1:42:47
So we, and we all know that molecules can be dense and create you or your
1:42:54
sweater or it can be less, you know, close together and can be the coffee
1:43:01
that you're drinking or it can be really far apart, which can be, you
1:43:05
know, me crack cracking a fart here and filling the air with the smell of roses.
1:43:11
Just a particular type of rose that thrives upon, you know, dead matter.
1:43:16
Those are all molecules.
1:43:19
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
1:43:19
Rupert Isaacson: And we also know that even solid matter is actually.
1:43:23
Lots and lots of molecules dancing, vibrating with,
1:43:26
with empty space in between.
1:43:28
We know that that's measured.
1:43:29
We also know that light is both a wave and a particle depending on
1:43:34
whether it's observed or measured.
1:43:35
And, and so,
1:43:36
Denise Elizabeth Byron: yes.
1:43:36
Rupert Isaacson: So we also have to accept that ambiguity and simultaneous
1:43:40
states are being must be the norm.
1:43:43
And when we look at the ocean, we actually do, I think, see it in physical form.
1:43:47
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:43:48
Rupert Isaacson: But because we're visual predators who tend
1:43:52
to hone in on things mm-hmm.
1:43:54
We tend to hone in on the wave or the still pool or the rain or the whirlpool.
1:43:59
Yes.
1:44:00
Because we're always asking, how does that thing affect me and my survival right now?
1:44:04
Yes,
1:44:04
Denise Elizabeth Byron: exactly.
1:44:05
Yes.
1:44:05
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
1:44:06
But it's a short term focus, right?
1:44:07
Denise Elizabeth Byron: It is.
1:44:09
Yeah.
1:44:09
It just really asks us to be wider in our, our lens and to be
1:44:15
very, and you know, again, I just take us back to the being a kid.
1:44:20
Take us back to, you know, what is it like when you're that wonderment?
1:44:24
And I hope that's still happening for kids.
1:44:27
Like, am I, am I
1:44:29
Rupert Isaacson: luckily they're all born with it.
1:44:31
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I hope
1:44:31
Rupert Isaacson: so.
1:44:32
It's just whether or not, how, how long is it allowed to go on?
1:44:36
That said,
1:44:36
Denise Elizabeth Byron: yeah.
1:44:37
That 'cause that's
1:44:37
Rupert Isaacson: getting better.
1:44:39
I think it was harsher when I was a boy.
1:44:41
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Good.
1:44:41
I,
1:44:42
Rupert Isaacson: I think that, I think that kids actually have more leeway now.
1:44:45
Oddly enough.
1:44:47
From what I can observe, they're certainly beaten less.
1:44:50
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Now there's that,
1:44:51
Rupert Isaacson: that's progress, right?
1:44:52
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:44:53
Rupert Isaacson: I have a question for you too.
1:44:54
You talk, you've talked about patriarchy, the patriarchal lens.
1:44:57
You've talked about your mother, your grandmother.
1:44:59
You have talked about your husband, you haven't talked about
1:45:00
your father, you haven't talked about your grandfather, can we?
1:45:05
Sure.
1:45:07
And so they have been absent from the conversation?
1:45:12
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:45:13
Rupert Isaacson: Is that because they were antipathetic or is that because
1:45:17
they just don't enter the story?
1:45:20
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Well, actually interesting.
1:45:22
I was raised by a single mother,
1:45:24
Rupert Isaacson: Uhhuh.
1:45:24
Denise Elizabeth Byron: My father was in Vietnam.
1:45:28
Okay.
1:45:28
And when he returned, I was, let me think about this.
1:45:34
I, I was born, I think before he went to Vietnam, but not much before.
1:45:41
So he wasn't around.
1:45:42
Rupert Isaacson: And presumably they married quite young then if he was sent to
1:45:45
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Vietnam?
1:45:45
Yes.
1:45:45
Yes.
1:45:46
They were very young.
1:45:48
And so he wasn't around when I was born or he was around when I was
1:45:52
born, but not when I was young.
1:45:54
He was briefly back and forth while he was in the service.
1:45:58
When he got out of Vietnam, I think this was maybe the late sixties,
1:46:03
early seventies life was not pleasant.
1:46:07
I had a very unpleasant childhood in a lot of ways.
1:46:10
Yeah.
1:46:11
My parents split up and that
1:46:13
Rupert Isaacson: he was around for a bit then.
1:46:15
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:46:15
So having a lot of hardship.
1:46:20
So when I was growing up there, I had, I had some uncles who really
1:46:25
were fabulous at stepping in at times.
1:46:29
I did have two grandfathers, both of whom were aquariums actually.
1:46:34
And one of Ukrainian, Ukrainian, a aquas aqua, like Aquarius.
1:46:39
Yeah.
1:46:39
Not Ukrainians, but aquariums.
1:46:41
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
1:46:42
Denise Elizabeth Byron: What are you, by the way, new information?
1:46:45
Rupert Isaacson: What are you,
1:46:46
Denise Elizabeth Byron: What?
1:46:46
Oh, you, I'm a Taurus.
1:46:48
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
1:46:48
Ah,
1:46:48
Denise Elizabeth Byron: yeah, I'm, you know, I'm the solid.
1:46:51
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
1:46:52
Denise Elizabeth Byron: You know,
1:46:52
Rupert Isaacson: snorts Pause ground.
1:46:53
Yeah,
1:46:54
Denise Elizabeth Byron: pause
1:46:54
Rupert Isaacson: Earth.
1:46:54
Yeah.
1:46:56
Denise Elizabeth Byron: So anyway, yes.
1:46:57
So my, both my grandfathers were alive for a short bit when I was young, Uhhuh.
1:47:02
But most of my grandparents died quite young,
1:47:05
Rupert Isaacson: quite young.
1:47:05
Mine too.
1:47:06
Yeah.
1:47:07
Denise Elizabeth Byron: And my father was not in my life hardly
1:47:11
at all, for many, many reasons.
1:47:12
Rupert Isaacson: And then there wasn't a significant stepfather that came into
1:47:15
Denise Elizabeth Byron: No, not at all.
1:47:17
And then you know, the partner I'm with right now, David, he's amazing.
1:47:21
Wonderful.
1:47:22
I am very, I love being able to be with someone who I can have
1:47:26
these kinds of conversations with.
1:47:28
Mm-hmm.
1:47:28
Right.
1:47:28
And we can just dive deep into similar ways of we see the world very differently.
1:47:33
He's a lot more scientific than I am.
1:47:35
Yeah.
1:47:35
And he has a lot of I think in a lot of ways very similar to you.
1:47:39
He studies, he's, he dives deep into history and science into archeology.
1:47:44
But we, like you, there's a philosopher there.
1:47:47
There's someone who's knows that spirituality and the man, mundane,
1:47:51
practical, come together in a form.
1:47:53
So, we have been together about 13 years, so I feel very blessed.
1:47:59
Mm-hmm.
1:47:59
This era of my life has been very good.
1:48:01
So when I talk about the patriarchy, I wanted just be sure that people
1:48:06
understand that men, not, not all men are channeling some evil, domineering energy.
1:48:14
Some might still be, but for the most part, I've been very fortunate
1:48:18
to be able to be around men who
1:48:20
Rupert Isaacson: arent well.
1:48:20
And I think, I think to be fair to all humans, toxic humanity,
1:48:26
Denise Elizabeth Byron: ah, fair
1:48:26
Rupert Isaacson: knows no gender.
1:48:27
Good
1:48:27
Denise Elizabeth Byron: phrase.
1:48:28
Rupert Isaacson: Knows no gender.
1:48:29
Yeah.
1:48:30
There
1:48:31
Denise Elizabeth Byron: can be no, yeah,
1:48:31
Rupert Isaacson: there can be different styles and flavors.
1:48:34
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Right.
1:48:35
Rupert Isaacson: But it's not limited to one gender.
1:48:39
Denise Elizabeth Byron: No, it isn't.
1:48:40
And actually that's a, that's actually a really good point, and I
1:48:43
think a very fair point to bring up.
1:48:45
I think that toxicity of any kind, the struggles that humans have being on earth
1:48:51
Rupert Isaacson: it's hard to be a human being alive on planet earth
1:48:53
Denise Elizabeth Byron: sometimes.
1:48:54
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
1:48:54
Denise Elizabeth Byron: yeah.
1:48:55
It is.
1:48:55
And so to have compassion, empathy, some days, I will be honest, some
1:48:59
days it's hard to look at what's going on in the world right now.
1:49:03
Rupert Isaacson: Oh, sure.
1:49:03
Denise Elizabeth Byron: And, and find our compassion and
1:49:06
empathy for those who have power.
1:49:08
But, and I will just underscore this, this is why I think that it's important
1:49:14
for us to come back to how is it that I am a vehicle of light and love?
1:49:18
Mm-hmm.
1:49:18
How is it that I, for each of us, how is it that we are vehicles of light and love?
1:49:24
Because if we can continue to deepen, to grow, expand into our wisdom and
1:49:30
into that frequency of love, then we are bound to make a difference.
1:49:34
Even if there are those out there who have a lot of power, who are
1:49:37
not remembering that I believe we still can make a difference.
1:49:42
Rupert Isaacson: Yes.
1:49:43
There's a beautiful quote that I really like, which is by Marcus
1:49:46
Aurelius, which is, or is it Epictetus?
1:49:51
Can't remember.
1:49:52
Someone will probably tell me in the comments.
1:49:54
If you listening to this and you do know, please do tell
1:49:56
me in the comments actually.
1:49:57
But which is be like the vine, the grapevine, the grape vine doesn't care
1:50:04
whether it's been a drought year or a rainier and the grape vine doesn't
1:50:09
care if you cut it or tread on it.
1:50:11
It just keeps bearing grapes.
1:50:15
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Hmm.
1:50:15
I love that.
1:50:17
Rupert Isaacson: And it fulfills its destiny to now back to horses.
1:50:20
I feel that that is that vehicle of light and love vehicle, vessel vehicle.
1:50:27
They allow, they allow themselves to be vehicles for us.
1:50:31
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
1:50:31
Rupert Isaacson: That is a, an act of generosity.
1:50:34
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:50:34
Rupert Isaacson: Sometimes they unload us,
1:50:37
Denise Elizabeth Byron: but
1:50:37
Rupert Isaacson: for the most part, they are incredibly generously selflessly,
1:50:42
tolerant and will convey us as vehicles.
1:50:48
And they are vehicles of light and love because they
1:50:52
allow us to pursue our dreams.
1:50:54
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:50:55
Rupert Isaacson: That is what they do.
1:50:57
Yeah.
1:50:59
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:51:01
Rupert Isaacson: When given that there's a lot of horse people listening and I'm
1:51:06
sure a lot of them are gonna contact you.
1:51:08
Oh, and by the way lads, anyone listening, I'm totally gonna get over
1:51:11
myself and get a reading from Denise.
1:51:15
I'm terrified 'cause I'm terrified she's gonna tell me what I don't want to hear.
1:51:19
And you know, all of that stuff.
1:51:21
Of course, as usual, you know.
1:51:25
Oh great.
1:51:25
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I'll tell you.
1:51:26
Well, I might, but I'll do it in a way.
1:51:29
I'll use my black hole energy and I'll do it in a way that will help you.
1:51:34
Rupert Isaacson: Oh, thank you so much.
1:51:36
But I'm gonna do it because all my mates have done it within the journey on and
1:51:45
horse boy community and they've all come back and said, you know, Rupert,
1:51:50
this lady is kind of the real deal.
1:51:53
You should, you know, so I'm gonna so we'll have that conversation
1:51:56
afterwards and I, and so people are gonna wanna contact you and we will
1:51:59
absolutely give you her contact and all that in a few moments.
1:52:04
But okay, so these horse people that are listening right now, if you could tell
1:52:09
them, you've, you, you've, you've done charts for a lot of horse people now.
1:52:14
Mm-hmm.
1:52:15
And a lot of horse people that are particularly working within the desire
1:52:20
to enter fields of consciousness with their horses and to enter the healing
1:52:25
arts with their horses and so on.
1:52:28
And to heal wounds of personal and to try and be as good to their
1:52:32
horses as they can be in the process.
1:52:34
Yes.
1:52:34
What it, what comes through for you?
1:52:38
From that experience that you've been having the last few years that you
1:52:42
would kind of say to every horse woman, every horse woman listening to this
1:52:46
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I would say
1:52:51
trust what you hear, trust what you feel.
1:52:57
And because I think that most people who contact me are so much
1:53:03
further along in their journey than they give themselves credit for.
1:53:08
There's a, a, I would say a very big streak of perfectionism.
1:53:14
Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm.
1:53:14
Denise Elizabeth Byron: That runs through a lot of people in the horse realm.
1:53:18
Rupert Isaacson: I would agree.
1:53:19
Denise Elizabeth Byron: And it comes from a commitment to wanting to be excellent.
1:53:23
It comes from a commitment to wanting to do best for their horses.
1:53:29
Right.
1:53:30
So it's not coming from a quote unquote bad place.
1:53:34
And I would say please be compassionate with yourself.
1:53:40
Be sensitive with yourself.
1:53:41
Treat yourself with as much love as you treat your horse.
1:53:48
Rupert Isaacson: Oh, that's good.
1:53:55
That's good.
1:53:55
Treat yourself with as much love as you treat your horse.
1:53:59
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Mm-hmm.
1:54:05
Rupert Isaacson: Now, does that mean I have to apply that to myself?
1:54:07
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:54:10
Rupert Isaacson: Boy,
1:54:12
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I think we all need to hear this.
1:54:14
Whether it's a horse,
1:54:15
Rupert Isaacson: you're so, you're so right.
1:54:16
You're so right.
1:54:17
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:54:18
Rupert Isaacson: Treat yourself with as much love as you treat your horse.
1:54:22
Brilliant.
1:54:23
Denise, thank you so much.
1:54:26
Denise Elizabeth Byron: You are welcome.
1:54:29
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
1:54:30
We've kind of hit the two hour mark here.
1:54:33
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I know,
1:54:33
Rupert Isaacson: and we've arrived here like really fast with balloons.
1:54:37
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:54:38
Rupert Isaacson: So maybe this is the moment to sign off for this one.
1:54:43
But because I'm gonna definitely get with you and, and get the chart done, and
1:54:46
then if I dare, we'll do another podcast.
1:54:51
You know, I think it would be great for people to hear more from you.
1:54:54
But I know a lot of people are gonna wanna contact you now.
1:54:56
So please do the plugs.
1:54:57
Please tell us how to contact you.
1:55:00
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I think the best way to contact me is through my website,
1:55:02
which is denise elizabeth byron.com.
1:55:06
It's, it's a Mouth by Byron
1:55:07
Rupert Isaacson: with YRON.
1:55:09
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:55:09
BYR
1:55:10
Rupert Isaacson: as Byron.
1:55:11
Yeah.
1:55:11
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:55:11
Like Lord Byron, who I'm not related to, but long, we'll talk
1:55:16
about that story another time.
1:55:17
We'll do that on a different podcast, but yeah, that's the best way.
1:55:20
It's just through the website.
1:55:21
Send me an email.
1:55:23
I will respond to that email,
1:55:25
Rupert Isaacson: denise elizabeth byron.com.
1:55:27
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:55:27
And I will respond.
1:55:30
Super.
1:55:31
Yeah.
1:55:31
We'll see each other.
1:55:32
I'm also found on Facebook and Instagram I can get messages there
1:55:36
as well, if that's easier for people.
1:55:38
Yeah,
1:55:39
Rupert Isaacson: yeah.
1:55:39
And similarly, yeah, if people are looking for things that it's not just
1:55:43
about their chart, they probably maybe have questions about their horse.
1:55:47
Mm-hmm.
1:55:47
They maybe have, you know, maybe their stuff coming through with grief with
1:55:51
Denise Elizabeth Byron: mm-hmm.
1:55:51
Rupert Isaacson: Loved ones and lost ones and things.
1:55:53
I presume that's all within your sphere.
1:55:56
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yes.
1:55:57
It's not, you know, it's something that often happens in a session.
1:56:00
Mm-hmm.
1:56:00
There's, there's a variety of tools.
1:56:03
I feel very blessed.
1:56:04
I've, I've lived enough decades now that I've acquired a number
1:56:07
of, a number of tools to share, and I'm very happy to share them.
1:56:12
Rupert Isaacson: We just did, you know, a wonderful podcast on grief
1:56:15
with my great friend Carla Brams.
1:56:18
Which I think resonated with a lot of people because, you know,
1:56:22
when you, you hit the 60 mark
1:56:24
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:56:25
Rupert Isaacson: People start to fall around you and I mean, it's
1:56:28
not that they don't anyway, but it's much more noticeable, obviously.
1:56:32
And so I would, I would encourage anyone listening or watching too.
1:56:40
Bring that, if that seems right.
1:56:42
Yeah.
1:56:42
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah.
1:56:43
And, and I think I, I look forward to hearing that podcast as well.
1:56:47
It has been quite a time, and I would just say this, as far as the
1:56:51
current astrology I do have the cosmic compass conversations on YouTube.
1:56:56
Okay.
1:56:57
And I'm, I am trying to keep up with that as much as possible and
1:57:02
talk to the planets and share a little bit more about the astrology.
1:57:06
This is a significant year.
1:57:08
It's a fire horse year.
1:57:09
Yes.
1:57:10
Yeah.
1:57:10
But it's also a very significant year in astrology.
1:57:12
So we are, we are navigating through un literally unprecedented time.
1:57:17
And I don't know, maybe it's always that way, but I feel like for
1:57:21
our lifetimes, this is probably one of the biggest years we've
1:57:24
encountered, at least astrologically.
1:57:27
Rupert Isaacson: Oh, sure.
1:57:27
Certainly since 1945, I would say.
1:57:29
Yeah.
1:57:30
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I would say that yes, you were correct.
1:57:33
And let's just keep being vehicles of light and love as much as possible.
1:57:39
Rupert Isaacson: Yes.
1:57:40
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Right now
1:57:40
Rupert Isaacson: I'm with you there.
1:57:42
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay.
1:57:42
Rupert Isaacson: I'm with you there.
1:57:44
Alright, Denise.
1:57:44
Thank you so much.
1:57:46
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Thank you so much.
1:57:47
This has been a great conversation.
1:57:49
Rupert Isaacson: It has, hasn't it?
1:57:50
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I knew it would be fun.
1:57:53
Rupert Isaacson: What a blessing.
1:57:53
Those balloons.
1:57:55
Denise Elizabeth Byron: I know.
1:57:55
I see.
1:57:56
I can't make it happen.
1:57:58
Rupert Isaacson: Has that happened to you before on a,
1:58:00
Denise Elizabeth Byron: on a podcast, on a Zoom?
1:58:01
It has been.
1:58:01
It happens when I can't, like if I, like there's a way here I'll show you.
1:58:04
Rupert Isaacson: And is it always balloons?
1:58:06
Denise Elizabeth Byron: You can do this.
1:58:07
Rupert Isaacson: Uhhuh,
1:58:08
Denise Elizabeth Byron: there's a thing, right?
1:58:09
Uhhuh.
1:58:09
But notice nothing is happening.
1:58:12
Right.
1:58:12
Wait, maybe I do this.
1:58:14
There it is.
1:58:15
See that?
1:58:15
Rupert Isaacson: Oh, I would,
1:58:17
Denise Elizabeth Byron: you can.
1:58:17
Okay.
1:58:18
There you go.
1:58:23
Rupert Isaacson: What?
1:58:28
Denise Elizabeth Byron: But now that is the only one that
1:58:30
I can actually make happen.
1:58:31
I think technically
1:58:32
Rupert Isaacson: look
1:58:33
Denise Elizabeth Byron: at that.
1:58:34
I know, right?
1:58:36
It's a great way.
1:58:37
See people too bad.
1:58:38
People can't see that.
1:58:41
Rupert Isaacson: Well, they will.
1:58:41
'cause they're gonna watch this on YouTube.
1:58:43
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Oh, okay.
1:58:44
Great.
1:58:44
They
1:58:44
Rupert Isaacson: can see.
1:58:45
Yeah.
1:58:45
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:58:46
Okay.
1:58:46
Excellent.
1:58:51
Rupert Isaacson: I'm floored.
1:58:52
Thank you.
1:58:52
That's
1:58:52
Denise Elizabeth Byron: a great way to end.
1:58:53
I love
1:58:53
Rupert Isaacson: it.
1:58:54
What?
1:58:54
What a way to end.
1:58:55
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay.
1:58:55
Rupert Isaacson: Alright.
1:58:55
I'll be in touch.
1:58:56
We'll do the chat.
1:58:57
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay.
1:58:57
Rupert Isaacson: All right.
1:58:58
Denise Elizabeth Byron: Okay.
1:58:58
Rupert Isaacson: Have a great rest of the day my friend.
1:59:00
Denise Elizabeth Byron: You too.
1:59:02
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