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16: Coffee with Kupke podcast · Beyond The Beacon

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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Beyond the Beacon with Bishop Kevin Sweeney, a podcast of the Diocese of Patterson.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm Jay Agnersh, Communications Director for the Diocese and editor of the Beacon Newspaper.
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SPEAKER_02: With me is Bishop Kevin Sweeney.
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SPEAKER_02: Bishop, how are you doing today?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm good, Jay.
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SPEAKER_02: How are you today?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm well, thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm looking forward to a couple weeks' vacation.
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SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_02: I will certainly miss you.
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SPEAKER_02: Um do you have any plans for the summer?
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SPEAKER_00: The week of the 17th, I have some time off uh Lake Placid in Boston.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go to Fenway for the first time.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh so looking forward to that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then the end of the month, uh World Youth Day, we'll maybe talk about that.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh so we're gonna have two weeks off and then the and last Thursday in July, I think we'll be back on, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we'll be right back at it.
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SPEAKER_02: So it gives everyone uh time to catch up on our back catalog.
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SPEAKER_02: There we go.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so I want to introduce our guest today.
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SPEAKER_02: We have to my left is Father Paul Manning, the vicar for evangelization for the diocese.
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SPEAKER_02: He's also the executive director of St.
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SPEAKER_02: Paul Inside the Walls, our evangelization center for the diocese.
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SPEAKER_02: Across the way over here, Caddy Corner is Monsignor Ray Kupke, our diocesan archivist, historian who teaches at Seton Hall University, and pastor of St.
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SPEAKER_02: Anthony in Hawthorne.
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SPEAKER_02: So welcome.
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SPEAKER_02: Thanks for having me.
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SPEAKER_03: They prefer it in Hawthorne if you put them for sorry, sorry, Hawthorne.
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SPEAKER_02: So um good.
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SPEAKER_02: So today we're going to talk about Coffee with Kupke, the uh another podcast of the Diocese of Patterson.
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SPEAKER_02: And these are the hosts of Coffee with Cupke, um new podcast that started not too long ago.
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SPEAKER_02: It's also uh an audio version and a video version can be found on the St.
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SPEAKER_02: Paul inside the Walls YouTube channel.
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SPEAKER_02: So before we go any further, I'm gonna ask if we could open up in prayer.
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SPEAKER_00: Great.
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SPEAKER_00: And we're recording today on July 6th, which is the feast of St.
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SPEAKER_00: Maria Goretti, uh, maybe known to some, maybe less known to others.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I remember learning about her in the seminary, and you can say she's somewhat more recent saint.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh Monsignor maybe can say a word, but uh the um uh a martyr at a young age, uh she was about to be raped, and uh instead of she uh fought off her attacker to and and was killed by by the attacker.
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SPEAKER_00: And but um a beautiful story of forgiveness.
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SPEAKER_00: I um uh and then I guess very popular um uh Monsignor can mention the town that she's from in Italy, uh, but um uh uh that she was canonized within, I guess, less than 50 years after her death if I have it, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And uh in 1950, I was reading this morning, and her mom was uh present when she the largest crowd ever to attend attend the canonization, I believe.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh Monsignor just reminded me her her attacker was there, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, um uh what was the town?
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SPEAKER_03: He was he reformed in prison.
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SPEAKER_03: He came to to religion in prison and he was present.
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SPEAKER_03: He was in the auditory procession, I think.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, and the town Maria Goretti was from?
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SPEAKER_03: Notuno.
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SPEAKER_03: N-E-T-T-U-I-N.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and great popularity, I guess, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh great popularity, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: A modern martyr.
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SPEAKER_00: So an example for young people and for purity, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: And particularly, I think, um in Italy, you know, she was kind of an uh an antidote to the prevailing culture at the time.
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SPEAKER_03: You know, if if you got attacked, you married the man.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh and she withstood the guy and gave her life for the Pope Pius XII was very strong on pushing her as a model for the case.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, we celebrate her feast day, see?
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SPEAKER_02: We had a column about her, uh, I think in the last week's beacon.
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SPEAKER_02: Is that right?
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so uh we'll place ourselves in God's presence in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen.
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SPEAKER_00: And on this feast of St.
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SPEAKER_00: Maria Goretti, we recall that each of us from our baptism is called to holiness to follow Jesus as we discern his will and strive to say yes to his will as he gives us Mary, his mother, and our blessed mother, who always said yes to God's will.
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SPEAKER_00: We ask her help in intercession as we pray.
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SPEAKER_00: Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
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SPEAKER_00: Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen.
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SPEAKER_00: Saint Maria Garetti, pray for us.
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SPEAKER_00: Saint John the Baptist, pray for us.
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SPEAKER_00: Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh welcome, uh Father Paul and Monsignor Re.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, as we're uh together here, I recall the spring of 2020 when I got my first uh uh I got my Patterson email and address and sent an email to the priest.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh one of the first replies I got was from a priest of the diocese who said he had written a book on the history of the diocese and uh would I like would he like for me to send it to him?
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SPEAKER_00: And I said, Oh, that would be great.
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SPEAKER_00: And did you know how thick it was when he started?
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unknown: That's true.
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SPEAKER_00: But uh the Lord works in mysterious ways.
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SPEAKER_00: I can still see myself walking out.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh Bishop DiMarzio, when I was named, one of the first things he said, you got to do a retreat before you are ordained and installed.
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SPEAKER_00: And Martin, you mentioned today is the historic day of the anniversary of Bishop Seratelli.
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SPEAKER_00: Seritelligence installation, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: July 6th.
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SPEAKER_03: July 6th, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: 19 years ago?
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SPEAKER_03: 19 uh 2004.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
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SPEAKER_00: So um Bishop De Marzio had said, and this was 2020 and the lockdown, and um I ended up the first week of June going to his house, and he gave me the retreat.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, it was actually in the time after the death of George Floyd, and there were a lot of protests going on by the Barclay Center.
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SPEAKER_00: His house was really just a few blocks from the Barclay Center, but um I was great, grateful for those days of of prayer.
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SPEAKER_00: And um, as I was walking out of the rectory to go from Sunset Park to Bishop DeMarzio's house, the mail came, and in the mail was this book, and uh I brought it with me, and I was able to read it uh on retreat.
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SPEAKER_00: There it is, Jay um can show the copy.
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SPEAKER_00: And um it was a wonderful introduction to not as you've mentioned in the your own podcast, that it's uh not only the history of the Catholic faith here in our diocese of Patterson since 1937, but um history of the Catholic faith here in in northern New Jersey.
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SPEAKER_00: And um I started it retreat, I probably got halfway through it during the retreat and and in the evenings uh be I I think I finished it um on June 28th or 29th, two days a day or two before I was installed.
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SPEAKER_00: And I remember I uh chose us uh a section of it from Bishop Rodimer's installation because it said how many people of church was filled, and we were only had we were gonna have 186 of 25 percent at a cathedral, but then it was uh it was 25 percent or 100, and we couldn't get an exception, so it was we were amassed.
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SPEAKER_03: Nobody was counting the choir.
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SPEAKER_00: But uh how many we uh uh we'll uh I mentioned uh you know uh a lot were attending by live streams, so uh they were there with us in spirit.
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SPEAKER_04: I I just gotta mention there you must have a secret stash of this book somewhere that you were able to send one because uh No, he got one of the last ones.
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SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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SPEAKER_03: Because we'll be there'll be none for the ninth mission.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, we're gonna be talking about version two, hopefully, soon.
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SPEAKER_03: He's making his own chapter now.
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SPEAKER_04: We went online to to see if we could get uh copies, and they're about a hundred dollars a copy online on Amazon, going up, I'm sure, in price, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So maybe uh uh as we begin uh your first episode was Origins.
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SPEAKER_00: I was listening to a little this morning and I just finished the third episode, which just came out, uh, and uh and we can talk a little bit about that.
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SPEAKER_00: But um maybe um what it's been like for you now that uh uh you have at least three episodes that are available, uh Coffee with Kupke, uh how has the experience been for each of you?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh for this is certainly for me a different experience.
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SPEAKER_00: I have shared that I like probably 2018 I started listening to podcasts and have become somewhat of a fan of a number of podcasts.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't know I would have my own, but here we are, and uh it's been good.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm grateful to Jay for, as you said, the technical and and and his uh perspective.
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SPEAKER_00: Um but um um how about for yourselves?
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SPEAKER_00: How how has it been?
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SPEAKER_00: How's it felt?
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SPEAKER_00: What the experience has been like?
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SPEAKER_03: This was entirely his idea.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh I I'm technologically challenged, so I I barely knew what he was talking about when he first introduced it.
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SPEAKER_03: But it's it's been interesting.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, give me it's give me an opportunity to ramble about local church history.
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SPEAKER_03: I can do that for hours.
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SPEAKER_03: So uh I think our first taping, we thought we were taping one episode, but we talked so long that we actually taped three episodes.
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SPEAKER_03: Right, that's right.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we decided uh that about 20 minutes we aim for about 20 minutes and uh leave people wanting a little more, right?
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SPEAKER_04: So that seems to have worked.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: And uh I want to mention that Monsignor Kupke does the whole thing without a single note.
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SPEAKER_04: So he's not even looking at the book.
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SPEAKER_04: So all those dates are in his head, all those facts and figures are are in his head.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's quite something.
9:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: It is.
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SPEAKER_03: I lived with them for too long.
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SPEAKER_02: So do you have a photograph?
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SPEAKER_02: I know you talk about this in the first episode.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you have a photographic memory?
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SPEAKER_03: Partially.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Especially for lists and things like that.
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SPEAKER_03: Like it took me years to get my high school graduating class out of my mind.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
9:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And you said you I think you can still list all the parishes of uh Pronunciation Wayne, assumption, Morris Jowell.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
9:32
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: Um So uh have you gotten much reaction from friends, family, colleagues, parishioners?
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SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, uh a lot of positive uh feedback from a lot of folks.
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SPEAKER_04: Uh I just heard from uh our Vicar General, uh Father Michael Parisi, yesterday.
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SPEAKER_04: He said, I just listened to the three episodes.
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SPEAKER_04: They were great.
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SPEAKER_04: Um we well, Monsignor Cup has a bit of a following in the diocese, so we we've gotten the word out as much as possible.
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SPEAKER_04: And uh yeah, a lot of positive comments.
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SPEAKER_04: People find themselves loving history.
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SPEAKER_03: My favorite comment was at the ordination of Starley and Chris Tisco.
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SPEAKER_03: You know, I was down getting Chris's family up for their blessing at the end, and his brother Michael grabs a hold of me and says, you know, the podcast is wonderful.
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SPEAKER_03: This is not the right venue for that.
10:26
SPEAKER_03: You're supposed to be getting blessed by your brother.
10:28
SPEAKER_02: You're also master of ceremonies then for special.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they've let me let me think around up there for a long time.
10:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I want to encourage uh our priests and our seminarians to listen because uh again, coming a little later to appreciate uh uh academic life and uh the value of study on different topics, but uh you know, the study of history and learning history can um inform us today and uh and inspire us as I listened to um you know Father Farmer and even as you talked about um you know the priests that he lived with in Philadelphia, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And uh some of them weren't interested, you know, uh seemed to have trouble.
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SPEAKER_00: And this guy's traveling back and forth to West Milford, and uh and the other thing I said, I think uh we have we're working on our um uh orientation program for new pastors.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I'm gonna play a clip where you talk about Father Farmer's handwriting uh in his sacramental records.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh my time as a pastor, that was a struggle.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, my time first ordained writing those uh making sure you put in those sacrament baptisms and uh so um but uh his zeal, I mean, uh and and and the impact that he had on on those people who didn't have a priest other than him.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh and then also uh I think it was in the most recent episode, uh the challenge of confirmation and uh Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: That dawned on me in the same episode that people weren't being confirmed for decades.
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SPEAKER_04: No.
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SPEAKER_03: If ever.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, as far as we know, you know, like the Maryland Catholics, you know, that provided the birthplace for the structure of the church.
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SPEAKER_03: They didn't have confirmation for 150 years.
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SPEAKER_03: That's just amazing.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and how God um can work in mysterious ways, the um um the first uh Bishop Carroll, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Who it was John Carroll, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Um he got a Leicester title at the beginning, what was superior, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh and and things are happening in England, and he has to come back here to his family.
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SPEAKER_00: And I I loved uh uh how he got connected to Benjamin Franklin.
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SPEAKER_00: And as you said, their trip to Canada was on the on the surface, but a friendship was born, and uh the and and that led to probably him being named a bishop, right?
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SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: Because uh when Rome was ready to do something, the only country that they and the new nation had both had relations with was France.
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SPEAKER_03: So they instruct the Nuncio in Paris to talk to the American minister in France and find out what the ground rules would be, you know.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: And that was Benjamin Franklin at the time.
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SPEAKER_03: So he kind of said to them, you know, you've got a good guy over there.
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SPEAKER_03: And in Rome they knew nothing because all of the priests in the new nation were ex-Jesuits.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, right.
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SPEAKER_03: And they had suppressed the Jesuits, so they had no mechanism to try and find out who they had over here, how many, what age were they, what were their names.
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SPEAKER_03: So, you know, that friendship, yeah, kind of provided the first link.
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SPEAKER_00: And the perspective of maybe uh especially at our founding, um the uh the Protestant nature of um the the founders uh there were Catholics there as the Charles Carroll, the one at the uh uh uh con um Constitutional Convention, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Was it right, the Continental Congress?
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SPEAKER_00: Um Congress.
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SPEAKER_00: But um that uh um when uh it was either Charles or um the the bishop uh um who was then the superior uh on that trip that uh they would or was it in Canada where the Catholics said, What are you doing with these Protestants, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh that um that's how the Americans uh were seen at the beginning from a Catholic perspective, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh oh they had they had asked Charles to ask John to go with them to Canada, hoping that as they described the papist priests.
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SPEAKER_03: That's it, right?
15:09
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Might uh you know look look a little convincing to them, but uh it did it didn't work at all.
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SPEAKER_03: The Bishop of Quebec would not allow Carol faculties to say mass in Canada.
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SPEAKER_04: Well not only was he a papist, he was an ex-Jesuit.
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SPEAKER_03: They didn't know what he was, probably.
15:27
SPEAKER_02: But um It was what struck me as in those early episodes is uh that relationship between Europe and America early on, and um and that connectedness to to Rome.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: The some of the Maryland families, you know, that had a little money and the Carols were the Carols were reputedly the wealthiest family in the Thirteen Colonies.
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SPEAKER_03: And uh if you ever go down to Annapolis, Maryland today, the old rectory of the parish there is the in-town house of the Carroll establishment.
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SPEAKER_03: Now they let it out for weddings and uh receptions, and but they would send their kids to Europe to be educated by the English Jesuits in Flanders and France.
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SPEAKER_03: And so John and Charles were both sent together.
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SPEAKER_03: And Charles came back after like eight years after he got his education over there.
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SPEAKER_03: But uh John decided to stay and became a Jesuit, was ordained a priest.
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SPEAKER_03: He did not come back until the Jesuits were suppressed because he had no job, you know.
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SPEAKER_03: He was so he decided to come back and retire at his mother's plantation, which basically is where Rock Creek Park in Washington is today.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, right, you mentioned that, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: So he was just gonna come back and do light pastoral work in the neighborhood and you know the Lord had more in store for him.
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SPEAKER_03: He came back just as all the uh fur was flying in every direction, and next thing you know, he was going to Quebec with uh his cousin and uh Benjamin Franklin and William Pacer.
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SPEAKER_03: Late thirties.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, early 40s.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:21
SPEAKER_00: And and Father Farmer, um how old was he when he passed?
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SPEAKER_03: Farmer, I think, was sixty-five when he died in 1786.
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SPEAKER_00: And I I think I've heard this before.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it was referenced on the uh podcast.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh, maybe two questions.
17:35
SPEAKER_00: Just uh I think uh what led to writing the book, I believe was um Bishop Brodimer, right?
17:41
SPEAKER_03: That in um Bishop Brodimer wanted a history for the 50th anniversary of the diocese.
17:49
SPEAKER_03: Um so we had lived together.
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SPEAKER_03: I had been his secretary for two years.
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SPEAKER_03: So he he knew that I was the likely character.
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SPEAKER_03: Um and there was there was a gentleman at the time, an anonymous gentleman, who made a uh full scholarship for an advanced degree in church history at Catholic EU available to any priest in the United States.
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SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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SPEAKER_03: One.
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SPEAKER_03: So Redimer said, go apply for this.
18:21
SPEAKER_03: And I did, thinking that you know the chances of getting this are like nil because but I I didn't take into account how few priests in the United States are interested enough in church history to apply.
18:33
SPEAKER_03: So I got the scout, then I tried to get out of it.
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SPEAKER_03: Saying, I know, I really I really wasn't serious.
18:41
SPEAKER_03: I don't want to go to Washington at this point in my life, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh so congratulations, you just celebrated your 50th anniversary, right aboard nation.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: So you were dained in 1973.
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SPEAKER_00: What year was that that uh you applied and began to 10 years later.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow, 83.
18:53
SPEAKER_00: 83.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: And uh the 50th anniversary.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm an old man at this point to be going off to graduate school.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: The the the um 50th anniversary was 87, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So and was the book out before that, by that time.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: I had the book out before that, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is what the other thing that um I I've heard, I I think you referenced some of the uh you kind of made the trips that Father Farmer made, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And the different roads that um go back a ways rather than 95 just going and taking the turnpike.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you come up the Pennsylvania side of the room.
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SPEAKER_00: Did you feel like you got to know them a little bit on the taking those some of those trips?
19:26
SPEAKER_03: It was bad.
19:26
SPEAKER_03: The summer that I worked on that first chapter, um, I was practically living in the 18th century.
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SPEAKER_03: I I felt like I knew those people personally.
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SPEAKER_03: I had gone over the farmers' records are remarkable in what they tell you.
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SPEAKER_03: Like we know his his route because he would list the places where he was baptizing these people, so we know exactly how he traveled.
19:51
SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_03: But he would also put in little details, you know, like who was a slave, um, who had been baptized as an infant by a layperson, and now he was supplying.
20:03
SPEAKER_03: So he gives you more of a picture than you might ordinarily get from a And where is it that his archives are stored?
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SPEAKER_00: You tell a story about going there and uh being tempted to take one of the books in your bag.
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SPEAKER_00: St.
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SPEAKER_03: Joseph's St.
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SPEAKER_03: Joseph's University in Philadelphia, the Jesuit university.
20:22
SPEAKER_03: You know, the the three of them, the university, the prep, and the parish that Farmer were in are all still Jesuit institutions and they're connected.
20:32
SPEAKER_03: So they had a big celebration a couple of years ago for the 275th anniversary of the Jesuit presence in Philadelphia.
20:40
SPEAKER_03: And I I was one of the speakers at the symposium they had.
20:45
SPEAKER_03: So his records are in their archives and they're beautifully preserved.
20:50
SPEAKER_03: Um, if you go down into our archives, uh all the boxes are either gray or buff.
20:57
SPEAKER_03: But farmers Sacramento is in this cardinal gray, cardinal red box in their archives.
21:05
SPEAKER_03: It's like stands out.
21:06
SPEAKER_03: You know, I had all you could do with it.
21:09
SPEAKER_04: If you were pilfering it, you would know exactly where to go.
21:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
21:13
SPEAKER_03: I asked him politely, I said, you know, would you consider letting us take this back to New Jersey for like an exhibit, maybe, at St.
21:22
SPEAKER_03: Paul Inside the Walt?
21:23
SPEAKER_03: And I said, So then the next thing in my mind was, it will fit in my book bag.
21:31
SPEAKER_01: You resisted the temptation.
21:33
SPEAKER_04: We're we uh so in in in in on the 1986 directory, there there is a picture of his uh sacramental records as well as a picture of Father Farmer.
21:43
SPEAKER_04: So that we're putting that up on the next episode.
21:46
SPEAKER_03: Right.
21:46
SPEAKER_03: We we went down he died in 1786.
21:50
SPEAKER_03: So for the 1986 diocesan directory, we went down to Philadelphia and photographed the last page of his register, which is readable, and then went up to West Milford and got a snapshot of the descendants of the last baptism he did in North Jersey, who are still parishioners of St.
22:11
SPEAKER_03: Joe's in West Milford.
22:13
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's amazing.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna mention the uh there was a little Tim Tebow reference in the last episode.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: I can't tell myself.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: Okay, excellent.
22:23
SPEAKER_00: Uh but it was a miss that was uh Father Paul was raised from what was the name?
22:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh those French families in Madison, right?
22:30
SPEAKER_00: That uh which went to Madison, Tebo.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: A son went to Seton Hall and to seminar.
22:40
SPEAKER_03: To be ordained a priest from Seton Hall.
22:43
SPEAKER_03: And uh Leo Godfrey Table.
22:45
SPEAKER_04: What a lot a lot of people don't know is that Seton Hall had its beginning in Madison.
22:50
SPEAKER_04: Oh, right.
22:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:51
SPEAKER_04: That was the original location of St.
22:53
SPEAKER_03: That was the original location for the city.
22:56
SPEAKER_03: Right.
22:57
SPEAKER_03: The building is still there on the St.
22:59
SPEAKER_03: Elizabeth's property.
23:01
SPEAKER_03: Basically, that building is the embryo for the Academy of St.
23:07
SPEAKER_03: Elizabeth, the college, Seton Hall Prep, Seton Hall University, and Immaculate Conception Seminary.
23:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, amazing.
23:15
SPEAKER_02: So, Father Ray, you um uh obviously you you've written a column for the beacon.
23:22
SPEAKER_03: You teach at Seton Hall, you are familiar with the column for the beacon came because I had as big as this book is, I had all kinds of leftover stuff that just wouldn't fit.
23:32
SPEAKER_03: Oh, neat.
23:33
SPEAKER_03: And so I would start writing columns basically so that some of these stories would be preserved, you know, for the future.
23:42
SPEAKER_03: Um because so many of them would just get lost.
23:46
SPEAKER_03: Stuff that I heard, you know, our first bishop's secretary, Vera Mulane, held a job for a half century.
23:54
SPEAKER_03: And what she knew about the origins of the diocese, the personalities involved, you know, they were both she was there for all the first fifty years.
24:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
24:04
SPEAKER_03: She remembered um ushering Frankie Rodimer into Bishop McLaughlin's presence when he signed up to study for the diocese, and then was Frankie's secretary when he was Bishop of Addison 50 years later.
24:20
SPEAKER_03: So she had this, you know, and she had never married, you know, the diocese was.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: Did she travel with one of the bishops to his summer uh the first by milk train?
24:30
SPEAKER_03: So Branchville.
24:32
SPEAKER_04: Uh Father Ray, that the Oh, sorry, Branchville?
24:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
24:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
24:35
SPEAKER_04: So it was way up a little country house up in the on the Delaware River in Walpack.
24:43
SPEAKER_03: You know, the the outermost part of the diocese.
24:47
SPEAKER_03: Uh and he would go up there every summer.
24:50
SPEAKER_03: And uh her description of it was you know, all kinds of primitive.
24:55
SPEAKER_03: She had to sleep on the sofa in the living room.
24:57
SPEAKER_03: And you know, I mean, things you'd get you wouldn't dare do these things today.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: So what's it like I know I uh bumped into you in the you actually you invited me down to the archives a few months ago.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: I had a good time with you.
25:10
SPEAKER_03: I did.
25:10
SPEAKER_03: That's a rare invitation.
25:12
SPEAKER_03: Did you have to wear uh special clothes when you're I had gloves on and a full hazmat suit.
25:17
SPEAKER_03: I couldn't let me touch anything.
25:19
SPEAKER_02: No.
25:19
SPEAKER_02: He was uh very generous in uh opening different boxes and pointing out great photographs of our early parishes and telling some stories along the way.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: That was a real treat.
25:29
SPEAKER_02: What what do you do in regards to the archives and and what tell us a little bit about the archivist's role that you have for the diocese and how that works.
25:40
SPEAKER_03: Well, the basic role is organizing and preserving the records of the diocese.
25:45
SPEAKER_03: You know, uh a lot of it is simply uh keeping stuff organized so that when it's needed, it's available.
25:55
SPEAKER_03: Um the the next challenge awaiting us now is moving Bishop Saratelli's papers over.
26:02
SPEAKER_03: You know, we we have all the Redimer years over there, but we have not yet So like everything saved?
26:08
SPEAKER_03: Like official documents?
26:10
SPEAKER_03: Everything.
26:11
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
26:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
26:13
SPEAKER_03: Um But the work itself, you know, we we get a lot of requests from parishes who are celebrating anniversaries.
26:21
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
26:21
SPEAKER_03: So uh so uh Mount 50th recently and Bootin.
26:27
SPEAKER_03: You know, you know, do you have anything?
26:29
SPEAKER_03: You know, so we're able to help them with that.
26:31
SPEAKER_03: Um an awful lot of work of the archivist today is legal work.
26:36
SPEAKER_03: Um Real Estate Records, right?
26:38
SPEAKER_03: Well, uh you know the first 20 years I was archivist, I never even met the diocesan attorney.
26:45
SPEAKER_03: Now I talk to Ken Millaney almost every week.
26:49
SPEAKER_03: The requirements you can't open a bank account today unless you have a certificate of incorporation.
26:57
SPEAKER_03: And we have all those in the archives.
26:59
SPEAKER_03: So you're constantly helping parishes.
27:01
SPEAKER_03: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
27:02
SPEAKER_03: Almost all.
27:03
SPEAKER_03: Almost everything but a packet link.
27:08
SPEAKER_03: So you're constantly um, you know, fishing those out.
27:11
SPEAKER_03: And and sometimes you know people are startled because in uh in a number of cases, what we have are the originals, you know.
27:19
SPEAKER_03: And in the older parishes, these are 150 years old.
27:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I remember you showing me one of them.
27:23
SPEAKER_02: It was bigger.
27:24
SPEAKER_03: And uh they people were not expecting to get that old a document to take to the bank and show them that they're a real thing.
27:33
SPEAKER_04: The Wednesday before Thanksgiving, I uh our staff usually does some kind of staff retreat or get together.
27:41
SPEAKER_04: And some year one year it's fun and the next year it's spiritual.
27:45
SPEAKER_04: But I already booked uh Monsignor Kupke this Thanksgiving, the Wednesday before this coming Thanksgiving.
27:52
SPEAKER_04: He said he'd bring our staff into the archives.
27:55
SPEAKER_04: Oh nice.
27:56
SPEAKER_04: Uh uh just because they're interesting as a result of the podcast.
28:00
SPEAKER_04: Oh, neat.
28:00
SPEAKER_04: That's so neat.
28:01
SPEAKER_04: Should do a podcast on it.
28:02
SPEAKER_03: There's there's some space there.
28:04
SPEAKER_03: So we had a um that's a good idea.
28:06
SPEAKER_03: A call from St.
28:07
SPEAKER_03: Mary's and Pompton Lakes just yesterday because they are opening a new bank account and their corporate name does not uh match up to the name that they're using now.
28:21
SPEAKER_03: They are actually the parish of Our Lady of the Assumption.
28:24
SPEAKER_03: Oh wow.
28:26
SPEAKER_03: And over the years it's become St.
28:28
SPEAKER_03: Mary's and Pomden Lakes.
28:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so the bank wants a statement that they are doing business as a different under a different name.
28:34
SPEAKER_03: You know, I said we don't have anything like that.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: Um I'm gonna mention to Monsignor Kopke, which I know he's I'm sure aware of, that it's now um 2023, so um in less than four years we'll be moving, hopefully celebrating our 90th anniversary.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: And uh certainly that would be a good time for uh volume two to come out, but we'll talk a little bit more about that.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: But but uh uh That's after weird guys, it's a pattern.
29:00
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna do a 90th anniversary after all the weird stuff is right, right, right.
29:05
SPEAKER_01: We're God's judge, we're a human family.
29:07
SPEAKER_03: So uh there's but my friends, you know, uh my friends uh they have constantly poked me about a second volume, and they insist based on what I chose for the title of this, they say the next volume should be Dirt Under the Rock.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: Well, uh you can think uh maybe some of the highlights of um the more recent history of the diocese, but as be as you gather your thoughts, uh Father Paul, um uh St.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: Paul Inside the Walls just celebrated its tenth anniversary.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: I want to say last year, the year before?
29:39
SPEAKER_04: Uh the the dedication of the of the building itself was uh 2010.
29:43
SPEAKER_04: So 2020 was the 10th.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: So um, you know, as I've come to the diocese uh uh the and uh certainly the historical presence of um of Bailey Ellert High School, right, for many years, which then uh when when Bailey Ellard unfortunately closed as many of our schools have, unfortunately, but we are supporting those who that that in Catholic education as much as we can.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: But uh so that uh decision needs to be made about the property and um and Bishop Saratelli, who um you know his um dedication to promoting vocations to priesthood and the new evangelization, especially as promoted by St.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: Paul the St.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: John Paul II and and Benedict and now Pope Francis.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: But um, you know, Bishop Saratelli, I have my understanding, you know, had that um vision and and commitment to how are we participating in the new evangelization?
30:34
SPEAKER_00: And and that led to St.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: Paul Inside the Walls, Monsignor Gino, now rector of the cathedral, uh the founder and renovating the building, and a lot of support from many.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh and then as Monsignor moved on, you came in.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: So maybe just a little bit about St.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: Paul's Inside the Walls, our evangelization center, you know, what's happened over these 10 plus years now almost 13 years, uh and and and and some of your own experience in that.
30:57
SPEAKER_04: So uh Bishop Saratelli uh was convinced that beauty evangelizes as surely as truth and goodness.
31:07
SPEAKER_04: He also was convinced that uh we have a few crown jewels and that he didn't want to sell the property uh because of uh uh the the the history of the of the place and its uh importance in the diocese.
31:24
SPEAKER_04: So uh in some ways he made the unpopular decision to create a center for evangelization and asked Monsignor Silva, then father Gino Silva to uh spearhead the renovation and the establishment of the center.
31:39
SPEAKER_04: So we have this beautiful place that um I think is attractive to people, especially if they're if they're not uh uh connected to church in a big way.
31:52
SPEAKER_04: You know, it's not uh somebody who's not connected to church might be more inclined to visit St.
31:58
SPEAKER_04: Paul inside the walls than they would to be to walk into a church.
32:03
SPEAKER_04: So over the years, we've tried many, many things and uh thrown a lot of things against the wall to see what sticks.
32:11
SPEAKER_04: And so we've done innovative programs, outreach to lawyers, outreach to young adults, 20 and 30 somethings, uh helping people integrate their uh business profession into the profession of faith.
32:23
SPEAKER_04: And then we've we've we've also done the traditional functions of a diocesan office of evangelization.
32:31
SPEAKER_00: So training leaders, I know, is uh um such an important thing.
32:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but our certificate in Catholic evangelization.
32:37
SPEAKER_04: Lay leaders, deacons, uh Catholicists.
32:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
32:40
SPEAKER_04: So w the St.
32:42
SPEAKER_04: Paul's is the home of the Office of Evangelization, doing all the things you would expect us to do as a diocese, but then also the home for some innovative programs as well.
32:52
SPEAKER_04: And um And it's thriving, thanks be to God, right?
32:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean and the and the staff, I mean, the team there that the uh you know that um it that center has uh uh uh I think called or or um uh been an instrument for the Lord to call um young adults and and others with a lot of talent and diverse backgrounds.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: Yes, and Monsignor Gino and now yourself, um they've they've responded to that call and and we see uh wonderful things, right?
33:19
SPEAKER_04: It's yeah, so I I have to credit Brian Hansberger for coffee with Kupke, actually, because we uh and the antecedents to the Paul Street Journal, right?
33:29
SPEAKER_00: We're uh advertising as well.
33:30
SPEAKER_04: But the the antecedents to uh um coffee with Kupke are um invitations we made in the past for Monsignor Kupke to come to St.
33:39
SPEAKER_04: Paul's and and give presentations.
33:42
SPEAKER_04: The one that uh I remember uh well is the Seven Shepherds.
33:46
SPEAKER_04: He did a presentation on the Seven Shepherds of Patterson, the seven bishops before you.
33:51
SPEAKER_04: Right, yes.
33:52
SPEAKER_04: Um so Monsignor Kupke had been there, and my staff had grown to love the the his presentation of history.
34:01
SPEAKER_04: We also uh live streamed during the pandemic and after mass for the the uh the time that we were live streaming, we did coffee after mass in the breakfast nook at St.
34:14
SPEAKER_04: Paul Inside the Walls on our iPhones.
34:16
SPEAKER_04: And so we knew that coffee with something was possible.
34:21
SPEAKER_04: And then um and and uh so Brian uh decided that uh a podcast with Montineor.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: Well, actually, I think it was Brian and Jay.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: Uh I think the the YouTube channel uh uh helped us kind of say we got it, we had talked a bit a little bit about it and said let's let's do it, let's get these things going, right?
34:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I mean uh I'm gonna give the credit to to Brian and St.
34:43
SPEAKER_02: Paul's because they they did a big push not only for for those two podcasts that you have, uh The Paul Street Journal as well as Coffee with Cup Geek, but also ours.
34:50
SPEAKER_02: I think Brian was uh really encouraged along with you.
34:55
SPEAKER_04: I think um you were the one who said we we need to get into this thing.
34:59
SPEAKER_04: Well, that's where I came from.
35:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
35:01
SPEAKER_04: And we all said, okay.
35:02
SPEAKER_00: That's what we need to do.
35:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:04
SPEAKER_00: So far so good, hopefully.
35:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh Monsignor, um, some highlights in uh uh the last uh almost now well, 37 I guess years, right?
35:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh since the 50th anniversary, since your book.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: Um I know the found the renovation of the cathedral um and uh some other uh maybe historical moments in the more recent history of uh our diocese.
35:25
SPEAKER_03: Well, certainly the renovation of the cathedral, the the uh adaptation of Bailey Eller.
35:32
SPEAKER_03: Uh when that was first announced, I think most of the pastor of the diocese said, what are they talking about?
35:40
SPEAKER_03: You know, and now I don't think anybody questions the presence it is in the diocese or what it does.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: Uh some at the beginning struggle with the name.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes people say St.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: Paul's over the walls, St.
35:50
SPEAKER_00: Paul's.
35:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they still say that the church in Rome is St.
35:54
SPEAKER_00: Paul outside the walls, right?
35:57
SPEAKER_00: And because the the property is a wall around it, St.
36:00
SPEAKER_00: Paul's inside the wheel.
36:00
SPEAKER_04: So it's a historic wall of pudding stone, so whatever that means.
36:05
SPEAKER_04: I I always say it's not the happiest name for evangelization inside the walls because we're really trying to get the church.
36:11
SPEAKER_04: Outside the walls.
36:12
SPEAKER_00: We bring them in to send them out.
36:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: Are there some other uh important moments?
36:18
SPEAKER_03: Certainly the the complete change of the diocesan presbyterate.
36:22
SPEAKER_03: Oh, right.
36:22
SPEAKER_03: Wow, yeah, that's true.
36:23
SPEAKER_03: Um under Bishop Saratelli, you know, his his notion, uh no priest, no Eucharist, no Eucharist, no church.
36:31
SPEAKER_03: So uh he encouraged us to find vocations in other parts of the world, and that has seriously transformed the diocesan presbyterate into a much more international uh entity than it would have been uh when he first arrived.
36:46
SPEAKER_04: You know, that's a much more populous uh presbytery.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, as I've said, uh especially at ordination times, thank God and Bishop Saratelli for the uh a number of priests that we have.
36:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh we're really different from so many other dioceses in this, especially in this part of the country that are looking at closing parishes or consolidating because they just don't have the priests and um thanks to his efforts uh and and the efforts of others as well.
37:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I I vacation in Maine every year, and uh you know they have what they call clusters, you know.
37:18
SPEAKER_03: It's like everybody over here, five parishes, one priest, and you know, we aren't we haven't been at that yet, and we've been lucky.
37:27
SPEAKER_04: And in one of the upcoming episodes, we do talk about the the international uh uh configuration of our presbyterate in the past, though.
37:36
SPEAKER_03: I mean there we've always we have never produced enough local vocations.
37:41
SPEAKER_03: Um so right from the get-go, we were introducing Irish priests and we live in hope.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: So uh yes, the Irish priest, we can't forget the Irish priest coming in now that you mentioned that.
37:52
SPEAKER_00: I uh but uh just that made me think that uh this past week had our first remote.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: We did our podcast last week from the Quovadis retreat day, and we had 50 plus young um young men.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: Uh so we're hopeful.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: But go ahead.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh we struggled with producing our own historic.
38:08
SPEAKER_03: So so yeah, I mean, these this may be different countries that we're uh getting uh priests from today, but the overall impact.
38:17
SPEAKER_03: You know, we've always even today when I list, you know, for the directory, you know, the foreign-born priests, the Irish are still up there.
38:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
38:27
SPEAKER_03: You know, of course.
38:28
SPEAKER_03: That's right.
38:28
SPEAKER_00: They are still my third largest group.
38:31
SPEAKER_00: I I have a couple of times I I think it was at one of the chrismass, I talked about priests who have come to us, and I said, you know, many from Colombia and from Poland, and I said other nations.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: And afterwards I thought to myself, oh, I could have said Pol Poland, Colombia, and Ireland, because there's there are those uh and and but yourselves and and uh many other homegrown priests, right?
38:50
SPEAKER_00: So the while the number may be of homegrown priests, but uh we certainly the church has produced homegrown vocations uh over the years.
38:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we have right um and and our two new newest priests, um Father Starley and um Father Christoph are um uh homegrown, but of immigrant parents, right?
39:09
SPEAKER_00: So from the Dominican Republic of Poland.
39:11
SPEAKER_03: You know, uh one priest said to me I was surprised the cathedral was full for just two new priests.
39:17
SPEAKER_00: Were you surprised?
39:18
SPEAKER_03: No, because they're both I mean, they both grew up.
39:21
SPEAKER_03: They're local boys, they both grew up in southern Passaic County.
39:24
SPEAKER_03: Right.
39:25
SPEAKER_03: You know, Starley's friends could walk to the cathedral from where he grew up.
39:29
SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
39:30
SPEAKER_03: And but they're they're emblematic of our Presbyterate, you know.
39:35
SPEAKER_03: Uh born one born in the United States, one came here as an infant, both educated in the United States, but also with deep roots in two very strong ethnic communities.
39:47
SPEAKER_03: Uh you know, they they match what we look like.
39:51
SPEAKER_03: I know we're in many ways.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: Against time and Jamie have may have a question, but uh uh uh but just before uh quick word if you can.
39:58
SPEAKER_00: Um uh I can't list I I know all the seven that they're in the book there, but uh I know Bishop Nava passed dying at at the council, right?
40:06
SPEAKER_00: Second Vatican Council, then followed by Bishop Casey, right?
40:09
SPEAKER_00: Very popular amongst the priests.
40:10
SPEAKER_00: I know I've heard many positive things.
40:12
SPEAKER_03: Casey arrived just to implement the council, just as he got here.
40:16
SPEAKER_00: Then the long episcopacy of the dedication of Bishop Rodimer.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: Right, 27 years.
40:20
SPEAKER_00: Right, and then and then uh now 19 years of Bishop Saratelli.
40:24
SPEAKER_00: So uh if you can put some kind of two-minute uh comment on the bishop from Navid to now, uh maybe uh maybe a word on each one, just you know, every one of them was a surprise to us.
40:37
SPEAKER_03: We all try and uh uh speculate on who's next, you know, and uh but every one of them came to us as a surprise.
40:45
SPEAKER_03: Saratelli probably the least because he was right next door in the work, and it was the right man.
40:50
SPEAKER_03: Well known to many priests.
40:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, already known.
40:53
SPEAKER_03: But um Casey certainly came to us out of nowhere.
40:58
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, uh yeah, we were Nava even more so.
41:01
SPEAKER_03: Um and then there's you.
41:03
SPEAKER_03: We won't even talk about that today.
41:05
SPEAKER_03: That's another episode.
41:06
SPEAKER_03: That's another way to J.
41:09
SPEAKER_03: That's weird.
41:09
SPEAKER_04: That's weird dynasty better than that.
41:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's fine.
41:13
SPEAKER_04: I'm okay with that.
41:14
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so we found out about you the night before.
41:21
SPEAKER_03: Who's we?
41:22
SPEAKER_03: You and I.
41:23
SPEAKER_03: I called you and told you because you had a seminary in live I mean, this is this is true Catholic The way it works.
41:34
SPEAKER_03: You had a seminary in living with you in the rectory in Brooklyn.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: That's correct.
41:39
SPEAKER_03: His best friend in Dunwoody was a seminarian from Camden, who was one of my spiritual directees in the college seminary in South Orange.
41:52
SPEAKER_03: So your friend called his friend and we'll leave the names out to protect the guilty.
41:57
SPEAKER_03: You've got a new you've got a new bishop in New Jersey, and he's so he called and says, Monsignor, you have a new bishop in Patterson.
42:05
SPEAKER_03: So I called him, I said, We have a new bishop, Sweeney something or other.
42:11
SPEAKER_03: So he goes on the internet to see what we can find out about you, and there's nothing.
42:17
SPEAKER_03: But all of a sudden, the editor of the diocesan paper in Portland, Maine must have gone home early and posted it before he left.
42:27
SPEAKER_03: So all of a sudden it comes up on the internet the whole story.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:30
SPEAKER_03: On the Catholic World Network.
42:32
SPEAKER_03: Portland, Maine, I never.
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SPEAKER_03: Portland, Maine.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: So that's how we found out about it.
42:36
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, that's a great story.
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SPEAKER_02: And we're looking forward to many more great stories on Coffee with Cupkey in the upcoming uh years, I suppose.
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SPEAKER_02: Um I think it's a great document.
42:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's a great opportunity to tell our story of the diocese.
42:51
SPEAKER_02: And I'm so glad you guys are doing it.
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SPEAKER_02: Look forward to watching it every week uh or listening to it.
42:56
SPEAKER_02: And again, that's um coffee with cupcake is available wherever you listen to podcasts and also on the St.
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SPEAKER_02: Paul Inside the Walls YouTube channel.
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SPEAKER_02: So before we wrap up, Bishop, is there anything else you'd like to do?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, for a future episode, maybe both of coffee and cupkey with coffee with cupkey, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Um and it's coffee, right?
43:13
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't triple up the tongue, it's coffee.
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SPEAKER_00: But uh a historic um uh place in our diocese of many uh in the city of Patterson is Hinchcliffe Stadium, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And it's been in the news lately, and I was fortunate to be at the Yankee game last night.
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SPEAKER_00: The result was not so good.
43:29
SPEAKER_00: But uh in Hope Week at Yankee Stadium, they focus on a different group or community um group each uh or cause each day.
43:38
SPEAKER_00: And last night was uh the Negro Leagues and the renovation of Hinchcliffe Stadium.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh our mayor was there with a group and uh the family of Larry Doby, who Eastside Park is named after.
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SPEAKER_00: So maybe we'll do a little uh uh baseball and package.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, that's right, that's right.
43:54
SPEAKER_00: So um so um hearing good things about Hinchcliffe Stadium.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm actually I'm hoping to go there tomorrow to get a look at it.
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SPEAKER_00: So um so uh we want to be aware of, as Father Paul says, I think on closing the episode, uh keep making Catholic history in our diocese, right?
44:09
SPEAKER_00: So we're called to that uh to do what the Lord asks of us today, and then hopefully share something with those who will follow us, right?
44:16
SPEAKER_03: It's a rich history and uh it's well worth remembering and adding to.
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SPEAKER_03: And being inspired by, right?
44:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Amen.
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SPEAKER_03: We've had great people that have gone before us.
44:27
SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: Amen.
44:29
SPEAKER_02: So thank thank you both for being on.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh Bishop, before we we wind down, is there anything else you want to share about uh upcoming events or anything happening?
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SPEAKER_00: I hope uh everybody will get a chance for some R, and you and I are looking forward to that.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh this World Youth Day, please keep that in your prayers as uh uh the end of July we'll be heading uh to Portugal with uh hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of others.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm gonna have my first opportunity to go to Fatima.
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SPEAKER_00: But uh before the before leaving, uh we'll have uh uh another episode at the end of July so uh we can talk a little bit more about World Youth Day and some other upcoming events at that time.
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SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
45:05
SPEAKER_02: So stay tuned, we'll be back.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so thank you for spending time with us.
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45:34
SPEAKER_02: Thanks.
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SPEAKER_02: God bless you.