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Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol · Citizen Frame

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Hey, everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of Citizen Frame.
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I'm your host, Kieran. That's right, I'm back.
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And I'm with Trevor. I'm with Trevor, unfortunately. Well, what can you do?
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I just give it up, you know?
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Yeah. Give us all a break.
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It's a little late getting this one out. We've had some family stuff and so
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forth going on and working on.
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So we're going to give you a
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double bill of the little Mission Apostles here to get you all caught up.
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We appreciate your patience with this. got exciting a
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couple months here with the new the final destination retrospective coming
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mission impossible retrospective and so on and
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we're gonna even throw in shark shark month why not
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why the hell not you know why not there's some good ones out there and apparently
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apparently tommy was who was either making a shark film called big shark and
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i don't know whether it's actually being fully produced or it's being released
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or anything but apparently the trailer I saw the trailer.
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Yeah, but it was only a trailer. Yeah. It looks terrible. Yeah,
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I know. Well, what do you expect?
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Let's cover it. Fuck.
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Yeah, so we got a lot of retrospective Supermans coming out,
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but we probably won't get to a retrospective Superman until later in the year, maybe.
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But we'll see what we can do. But here we are to continue the Missing Apostle
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retrospective where we left you.
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Ethan Hunt was chasing after the rabbit's foot.
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Yes. And Chuck Philip Seymour Hoffman,
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Under a truck, under a Jeep or something that ran him over.
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So now he's back, this time with Ghost Protocol. We got Brad Bird behind the helm.
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Last time we had J.J. Abrams.
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Brad Bird is a Pixar guy. He's a Pixar director. He did like the Ratatouille
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and the Incredibles. He's a producer on The Simpsons.
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And that's where I always recognized his name from. The Simpsons credits.
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Yeah, he's a very smart guy.
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And he just seems like a hot choice for him. But you know what? He hit it out of the park.
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It's one of the best-reviewed films in Tom Cruise's career, 7.4,
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with a $700 million worldwide intake.
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So, good on him, but he walked away. He went back to animation,
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good on him, maybe he just wanted to try something.
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And a little bit odd, big hit, but he did. He did some screenwriting and went back to Pixar.
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So, there you go. This is the film that put Tom Cruise on the map when it comes
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to what he actually does for stunts.
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He's batshit crazy in this one, and he gets even crazier as we go.
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Stunts in this one are just wonderful, especially with the tallest building
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in the world, the Burj Khalifa.
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And Dubai, yes. And Dubai. Just a wonderful sequence we're about to talk about.
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Probably one of the best sequences in the entire franchise.
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So we're just going to jump into this one. This one took a late bloomer,
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getting going, probably because it was just doing some retooling.
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And there you go. So there you go. With this one, we've got Ethan,
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Jane, Benji, Hendrix, Winstrom, Leonid.
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Leonid, Briege, Sabine, Hannaway, and Luther. And a cameo by Tom Wilkinson.
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Yes, that means we got Fing Rhames, Josh Holloway, Leah Shadul,
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Michael Nyquist, Simon Pegg, Jeremy Wimmer, Paula Patton, and of course the man himself, Tommy!
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Yes, I do have to say, I don't know the reasons why, but watching this,
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I was disappointed that Fing Rhames is barely in it, apart from Makami at the end?
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It was because of, it was delayed a lot, this film.
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And so, and unfortunately he couldn't make the final cut.
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Yeah. So it happens, which we'll discuss that in the next podcast,
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why some people don't return on this one. Same thing, scheduling conflicts.
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As you know with the Mission Impossible, there's always some kind of fucking
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national disaster happening when they can't get them done.
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So something always gets shifted and moved, causing actors to have to walk away.
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But they did put him in the very end just because they could say he's in them.
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Yeah, for continuity reasons, yeah.
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Yes. Yeah. They had to do that. And that's cool. So I'm glad to see he's the
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one who's in all of them as well as Tommy.
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Yeah. I like my openings. I like my openings in The Mission Impossible.
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We'll jump into the actual opening, but I just like my little opening credits.
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Now we will get, you know, like the Fuse credit, which we will get.
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I just like the little, you know, the emblem when they introduced the Skydance,
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who's been in bed with Tom Cruise for a long time, Bad Robot,
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which is J.J. Abrams' company.
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And I just like how he just got the slowly, the heartbeat of the tune.
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Coming in as it introduces us to a sequence where we meet Hannaway.
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Well, this is a fun little sequence. It lasts for about, what, a minute?
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And at the time, Josh Holloway was kind of a get because he was hot from Lost. Yeah.
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Now, there must have been some editing. I believe there was.
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He had a bigger part in this with flashbacks with Paula Patton's character because
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he's barely in it considering where he was as an actor when this came out.
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I would say that Lost was also created by J.J.
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Abrams, who produces this. Yeah, exactly.
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Now, J.J. is here to miss with me. As a director, I like him. As a producer, I don't.
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I think his stuff, I think, yeah, I think his stuff, I think J.J.
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Abrams' stuff, a lot of it is all sort of style over substance.
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I know he doesn't direct this, but I think there's just too much of his stuff
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that I'm just not happy with, you know, in terms of, you know, being a viewer.
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Now, I did enjoy his 2009 Star Trek reboot, but whenever you really examine
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it, and once it just settles, including the sequels that he did and plus the Star Wars stuff,
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it's all nostalgia be it and essentially,
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it's all style over substance so much of it
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sadly yeah I mean you say style over substance
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it's a fair point his big breakout was he did a Super 8 for Spielberg and that's
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pretty much a Spielberg you know homage one big film but I'm okay with that
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he is that kind of a filmmaker but he got it as a producer TV shows he's done
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Alias and Lost all big hits
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And he started when he was like 18 or 19.
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Yes. He wrote a film called Regarding Henry with Harrison Ford.
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Yes, that's right. And he has a part in it. He's like 19 or something.
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So I've always respected him as a filmmaker, kind of like M.
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Night, kind of catapulted at a very young age.
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And so I've always liked him. I do like his stuff. I'm not going to agree with
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you there. I like, a lot of people don't like his, what they call it,
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I think it's called screen flare.
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Yeah. So in the lighting, in the spaceship, it goes in your eyes as well.
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And a lot of people don't like the screenplay. I like that. He did it with Star
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Trek. He did it with Force Awakens.
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He did it with Mission Impossible 3, which he directed.
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What I don't like about him, and this is the big one, I do think he puts a lot of effort into his work.
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Problem is, he has a tendency to quit and leave. Yeah, I mean,
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I don't know what exactly happened with Star Trek or Star Wars,
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but to be honest, in retrospect, looking back, yes, you know,
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the Star Trek and the first Star Wars that he did, you know,
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on the surface, they're pretty entertaining popcorn films, but if you examine
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them in any way, they do fall apart in terms of story and, you know,
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script and all that sort of thing.
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I mean, yeah, but you're describing a pretty fun time in the movie.
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You're describing summer blockbuster you know
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they're they're they're popcorn fun and i'm
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okay with that but but star trek especially was always much deeper than that
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including the films i thought he did very i thought star trek's his best work
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i well i enjoyed i mean uh you know i have to admit i i did enjoy the first
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one the 2009 one that he did and i think it's the best but probably and probably
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my favorite of all his work.
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But, I mean, the sequels were pretty bad that he did. And, you know,
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the Star Wars stuff as well, especially that recent Rise of Skywalker.
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But again, he walked away. It wasn't him. Yeah, yeah.
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So that's my problem. Because that could be damaging. You're losing the original
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director of the original material. And the same thing with the Star Treks.
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Yeah. He's producing, but he's producing 12 other things. I don't think he's
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as hands-on as he should be as a director.
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He's hands-on. That's why Star Trek is his best work, because he's there directing it.
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That's why Force Awakens is his best work, because he's there directing.
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You know, the ones he's just putting his name on seem to fall flat.
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And that's the problem I have.
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Okay, far enough. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, at times his directing is very,
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there's a lot of cheats and stuff, but I mean, that's okay.
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I mean, far enough, he doesn't direct this, so let's talk about Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol.
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Yeah, Bad Robot again, I think J.J. eventually leaves his franchise after this. I'll double check it.
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But yeah, the Hannaway thing. Produces the next one?
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Yeah, he gets out of it eventually. I can't remember. Who cares?
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I don't think he, I tell you what though. I think he has rights.
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I don't think he's at all any say in these franchises anymore.
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Yeah. There's no way Tom Cruise to let him. It's Tom Cruise and Christopher
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McGlory's franchise after this film.
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After this film. Okay, yes. We got the Hannaway thing. And I do like the jumps.
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I love how he's got those little... I want one of these things.
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He throws the fucking...
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USB thing on the ground, he's jumping off a building and it turns into a big
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fucking safety net or a fucking... Yeah, uh-huh.
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That's cool. I want one of those. Right.
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Fucking awesome. You're looking
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to roll it in the next Mission Impossible film, right? Yeah, fuck it.
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Tom Cruise comes up to me. He'll go, hey, Kieran, I want to chuck you off a
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building. I'll be like, yeah. I want to chuck you off a building.
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Can I be in it? There's a villain.
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I want to chuck you. I know Tom, can we chuck him off a building?
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We have no safety net. I want to chuck you off a plane.
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So do, you know, yeah. with no safety net.
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So Hannaway escapes with the list, this mystery list, and he gets shot by our
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girl, the beautiful Lea Chadeau, as she plays Sabine.
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And he just winks and smiles out. He gets a text message saying assassin.
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It's a picture of her. He looks up. She kills him.
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The whole problem with this part, Mission Apostles are smart.
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Mission Apostle 1 is incredibly smart.
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Part 3, smart with little dumbed out.
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We'll get smarter as we go but the one
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thing i don't this guy's hanaway is supposed to be this brilliant
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blah blah blah he would have saw her coming a mile away well i
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think it was more to set her up as a proper threat and also that you know it
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adds to the drama of an opening but yes technically if he was up to the the
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standard of secret agent that ethan hunt is he should have been he should have
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been a bit more clever about it and as much more about him yeah he should have known right away.
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It should have been handled differently where she's hiding somewhere.
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Not walking in front of them with a trench coat. She had spy written all over her.
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Yeah. She even looks like it. She looks like an evil Russian sexy assassin. You know?
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She also pops up on a couple of the James Bond films. In fact,
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she marries James Bond in the Daniel Craig ones.
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That's right. Isn't she hot and heavy with somebody?
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Michael Fessbender, isn't it? Isn't she with Michael Fessbender or somebody?
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I don't know i don't know i just know that uh i know her mainly
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from the last two daniel craig um
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james bond films she's his wife basically she becomes his wife
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yeah i know yeah she's uh she she was a specter's daughter or something or something
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i can't remember yeah bluefell's bluefell's daughter yeah maybe i can't remember
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but something like that yeah he didn't really a big part no he'll come back
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in the flashbacks now the old i always like my opening sequence of the mission of possibles.
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I like it when there's a face pull or some cool escapism.
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I'm going to have to say I'm not a big fan of the prison break.
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I thought it was fun, but when I think fun, I think,
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I don't think Mission Impossible, it's hard to explain what I'm saying.
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Cheesy fun, I don't expect in a Mission Impossible film.
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Yeah. I think this opening scene of taking, I think it's Boghan,
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well, he helps him escape from the Russian prison.
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And Tom Cruise knows, so I get confused, Benji and Jane are there to get him out.
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He got busted by Russians for being a spy and that's why he's in prison so he's
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just sitting there buying his time knowing that Benji and Jane are coming he
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was supposed to get caught we will find out eventually.
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Well with it I think it
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would have worked later on in the film about midway through the
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film better but for an opening for a Mission Impossible film
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I want something really big and like
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you know i don't know tom cruise jumping off
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a plane which we do eventually get in the next one you know or something really
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over the top you know to really set things up and then you know the music kicks
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in you know the mission impossible theme with here it's a bit yeah it's a bit
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too campy and a bit sort of comedic and silly but also not very grand in scale
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for a It makes an impossible opening.
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All right. So the main story is Jane was Hineway's partner and obviously lovers, obviously.
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Yes. Hineway gets shot, who got the file in the beginning.
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Now Sabine has the file.
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So they have to get Tom Cruise out of prison to get the contract killer,
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which is Sabine, to get the file from her. Yes. Yes, that's correct.
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Yeah. And then they also have to then, you know, basically stop evil Swedish
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guy who wants to blow up the world. Hendrix. That's Hendrix. Yeah.
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So you've got, and these all happen in this.
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It's kind of fun because in all the Mission Impossible, besides the terrible
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Mission Impossible 2, you have what they call lists.
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So the first one, you have the knock list. The third one, you have the rabbit's foot.
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Yeah. This one, you have the codes for kobold.
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You've got, and then the next one will have, you know, and then obviously Dead
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Reckoning has a massive one, but they all have that.
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There's some kind of code to give away agents, I mean, launch codes,
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the identity of spies, stuff like that.
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Yeah, and usually as well, the villain is usually an ex- agent as well,
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or an ex-IMF agent, so yeah, there are certain sort of ingredients for a Mission
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Impossible film that work. Try it and test it.
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Alright, so, pretty much the bad guys are Hendrix, and Sabine.
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Sabine's just a gun for hire. Yeah. Okay.
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Then you have Winstrom, who's part of Cobalt. They want to buy it,
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But Hendricks is working with Cobalt. We think it's just Winstrom,
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Cobalt, the Cobalt team, Sabine, and then there's Hendricks.
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Hendricks is actually working with Cobalt. Yes. Right?
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Yes. I think so. Yeah. Because we see them together at the end. Because, yeah, okay.
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We're on the same page now. Right. Another thing is, again, talking about it
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is a lot clever because we have to kind of dissect it as we're talking about it.
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But it does fall flat a bit where I don't mind having three bad guys.
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But one of them has got to be batshit crazy.
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Exactly. You got to give me something where the fucker likes to rip heads off
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or something. Yeah, exactly.
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Give me that, or you need, you know what's missing? The cool henchman.
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Yeah, there is a henchman there, but he's not very cool, to be honest.
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Yeah, the Cobalt's henchman. But yes,
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yeah, I know, you know, people would say, and it is true,
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you know it's good to sort of you know not see too much of a villain but here
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you just don't see enough of the main villain kobold you know well yeah almost
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the organ kobold's the organization.
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Yes and winstrom and hendrix are part of that organization and i just think
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you got hendrix who was quite popular at the time got a soul patch just passed away a couple years back,
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but he was in the the girl with dragon 2 2 series yes he was a good actor and
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this was kind of his big American break,
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kind of like what Christoph Waltz did when he did,
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In Glorious Bastards? Yeah. Yeah, kind of catch the same thing.
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And he was kind of all in that projectory.
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Of course, he'd taken too early, too bad. Because I do like him.
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He's got a presence, got a creepiness to him.
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But again, I think kind of misused a bit. New personality, really.
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I think the problem with this one, where the new one's coming up,
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this one focuses on the cool stunts, which I love, don't get me wrong,
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but they're not focused on the bad guys enough.
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Are the plot in general, I would say?
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Where the new one, even the next one we're talking about, you're focused on the bad guys.
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Actually, the bad guys will get equal screen time in the next one.
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Yeah. So I think that's what kind of hurts this one a bit. But we'll get to
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the Kremlin scene. The Kremlin scene is brilliant. I fucking love the breaking of the Kremlin.
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I love this whole projection thing. I'm not going to explain it.
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I'm sure you guys haven't seen the film. It's the screen.
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Yeah. I fucking love that thing. That thing is so fun. Yeah.
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I mean, it's a pretty good scene. Very good explosion later on as well.
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And it does work well in terms of the overall plot.
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The whole screen projection just was a throwback. It was a short franchise.
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Two films in the 80s, which I fucking love this franchise.
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If you guys ever want to see it, we'll definitely probably get to it on the
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podcast. It's called FX.
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Yeah. And FX used this kind of stunt in the first one.
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So I was always wondering, J.J. Abrams, not he didn't write this, sorry.
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If the guys who wrote this bird and the gang and or
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even jj or even cruz being a fanboy of
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cinema himself saw that scene because it's very well apparently
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apparently it comes from the original series
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the 60s series of mission impossible now i could be wrong there and i have only
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seen bits and pieces on repeat on tv of the original series in fact i wouldn't
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mind revisiting it you know just for personal reasons you know because i always
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found it quite cool but apparently this screen thing in the Kremlin.
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Originates and is a reference to the original Mission Impossible series but I could be wrong.
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I'm sure there's a lot of these Mission Impossible putting on their hat to a
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lot of episodes we just don't, a lot of people our age haven't seen them so
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we wouldn't know that yeah, like I say, I've just seen bits and pieces of the original series,
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I know Leonard Nimoy and Martin Landau are in them and they're pretty cool to be honest.
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Yeah, yeah so you have, he wakes up in the hospital bed and there's Serov.
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I like Serov. He's the cow who's the wise one in the group. The Russian guy. The Russian guy.
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Yeah, I like how he's true, don't. And I do, and I think he's there for the
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rat-tat-tat with him and Ethan.
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And I like the whole time we'll find out that Ethan's been playing him,
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luring him to find him because Ethan needs to drag him along without knowing
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he's dragging him along so he understands why this is going down.
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In other words, what Ethan's doing, he's there to get the list,
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save the world, but at the same time, he's being framed for the Kremlin blowing up. Exactly.
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He's being wanted. So what Ethan Hunt's doing, and this is how smart this film
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is. It has layers before I'm seeing it.
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Is that at the end, we find out that he's been pulling Sidorov the whole time,
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pretty much giving him enough clues to deliberately follow him so he can understand
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that it wasn't Ethan Hunt who's caused this. And to clear his own name.
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Yeah. Yeah. So while he's trying to save the world, he's also clearing his own
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name by using this detective, which I really like that subplot.
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Yeah, no, no, it's good, especially whenever it's revealed at the end.
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You know, whenever, well, it's all resolved in India, you know with this sort
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of playboy mansion thing but yeah and he's a good character the Russian guy
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I like him yeah I like him a lot too,
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and then I do like the back and forth with Brandt and the car first of all and Alec Baldwin.
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Obviously we'll get the flip side of that soon but.
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It's nice that you have an actual deep conversation of why the IMF needs to
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be disbanded it's not one of these things where John Kru you know,
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Ethan Hunt's a bad guy, we gotta do this.
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They're actually giving pretty legitimate reasons why the IMF should be shut
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down and without it being just used as a casual, you know, story.
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Yeah, or as a, what do you call it, red herring. Yeah, well,
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I mean, IMF gets shut down quite a lot over the series, but yeah,
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but it does make sense in terms of the story.
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And so when they get deactivated and they end up being rogue. Yeah.
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That's where they're called ghost protocol. Yes. I believe that's why it's called ghost protocol.
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I don't know. Yeah, well, yeah, that makes sense. I think that's right.
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I'm thinking back because, yeah, they're basically ghost agents.
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You know what I mean? Working off the grid, you know, totally.
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They've even been abandoned by their own. So they have. So, yeah.
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Okay. The Dubai scene. Yes. Fucking, fucking love it.
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All the way to the sandstorm car chase.
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Well, I'm going to play devil's advocate here.
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Come on man no no no no let me see
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hear me out hear me out I have a lifelong
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fear of heights and this scene where
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Tom Cruise is being an absolute crazy bastard on the
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world's tallest building hanging outside it this is
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pure horror to me and it actually almost gives me like physical vertical watching
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it yes brilliantly done an amazing stunt but it scares the shit out of me I
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just I'm like oh please don't don't go there you know and the funny thing is
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about this it's not CGI, the backdrop where you can tell,
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you can look at it and go, well that's kind of fake, I can go with this.
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He's actually fucking doing it.
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And it's ballsy. And it's still CGI always amazes me when it's used like this.
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Every cord that was holding him, any device that was holding him is gone.
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You don't even see it. It's terrifying to me.
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Yeah, well, it's kind of like snakes. Like when I went to see Anaconda,
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it was the stupidest fucking, I love anaconda because it's just a big rubber snake, right?
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I can go with it. But when they start peppering real snakes, I look away.
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Yeah. This is the same thing you're going through. Yeah. So if it was just a
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guy on a CGI building, you'd be like, oh, no problem.
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Because it's real. Exactly. He's really doing it.
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I'm almost, watching it, I almost get like physical vertigo watching it.
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You know, just the thought of it.
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It's just turned to my fear of heights, which is a bit odd because I'm six foot four.
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But there is, I wouldn't even go to the, I mean I would go into that building
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if it was there, but I wouldn't even go to the higher floors that's how much
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I fear heights don't even get me started on people hanging off them like Tom Cruise,
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terra fan when he I do love when Benji's so casual about it,
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he's okay you have to go to the server room but we can't get into the server
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room from here this far, you're going to have to go outside yeah,
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and they're just looking at each other like who's fucking doing it yeah exactly,
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The gloves is the best thing to add to this little sequence. Not little sequence.
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The gloves become, because once he loses that one glove and he's hanging by
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one hand, you're like, holy fuck.
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Come on. It is extremely tense.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah. I just love it. And when he gets flying into the server room and then when he gets out.
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He does that stunt where he has to get the running motion because he has no more rope.
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I love when they go, hey, you have no more rope. No shit.
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Yeah, and he has to literally run down the side of the building,
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which is not unlike the old Batman TV series when him and Robin used to walk
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up buildings. Okay, okay.
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Okay, fuck you. He's really doing it, okay? I'm joking. No fucking Batman and
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Robin in A-Team crap here.
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Fucker. but it is the same principle but obviously Cruz is doing it for real
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you know he's running down the side of the tallest building in the world but
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yeah it's just yeah I can't even,
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and then this whole time when he's fucking hanging off buildings and Bran's
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there watching him Benji's changing you know the names on the doors the numbers
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on the doors and he comes back.
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That was a close one guys yeah exactly
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and they're like hanging from the wall they're hanging
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from the building and they're looking at him like you fucker yeah
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are you for real you know yeah and then they're doing
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the double switch here as well because the masks won't
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work so they can't discuss you know what i mean they're doing the swap to the codes
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with the the russian shits you know so yeah
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no no it's the centerpiece scene of the film and it does work very effectively
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well um i i was a bit sort of uh just being a sort of nitpicker with the sandstorm
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did they not have weather forecasts I mean you know why was this a shock to people,
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including the people of Dubai that the sandstorm was coming I know it's a plot
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convenience like but it was just a bit something to nitpick I don't think,
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they can predict sandstorms,
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I don't know. I'm no meteorologist. I know you are. I'm going to say they can't.
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Right. Well, they would have seen it coming. Well, first of all. Well, they do.
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Yes. But would they not have brought it? They look and they go,
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uh-oh. And Benji goes, it's far away. Don't worry about it.
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I've got about 20 minutes or something. He says he should be all right.
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Yeah, but that's all they needed. They didn't realize all the shit was going to go down.
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Yeah. Well, okay. I'll run with it. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah.
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See, you need to sit back, relax sometimes, get the fucking A-team on your head
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and just fucking really think.
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Listen to some of the key words when they're speaking.
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How can you relax when Tom Cruise is hanging by one arm off the tallest building
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in the world? You know what I mean?
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But no, it works very well in terms of tension overall.
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And again, they're kind of playing on the first one where they end up giving
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the real codes to the bad guy.
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They have no choice, but they're going to get the coach back.
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Obviously, he has no choice.
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And this whole sequence when Jane is playing Sabine, Sabine's playing herself,
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we got the weird Winston, and then we got Winston being played by Brant in front of Sabine.
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You know, it's just really fun in two separate rooms right next to each other.
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Yes. And I thought the cut back and forth where Sabine's quite smart.
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She was looking at his eye the whole time.
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She knew something wasn't right. and I did like that, that she wasn't an idiot.
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She was catching on to something was wrong because Brant was having a problem
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with the contact thing, which is awesome. I love that little gadget.
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This movie does have a lot of gadgets, which you don't get in a lot of Mission
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Impossible, believe it or not, you don't.
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You have a lot of cool stunts jumping out buildings and motorcycle chases,
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but you don't have these cool little tweaky gadgets and you do get this in Ghost Protocol.
28:23
Yeah, yeah. And then, of course, there's the fight with her and Agent Carter, you know?
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I do love the fact when Jane just fucking kicks her and she flies out the window.
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Fly out the window, yeah. Yeah, it's like, bye-bye, bitch, you know?
28:38
Yeah, but overall, I would say the Dubai sequence is the best part of the film overall.
28:46
Yeah, and even once you get out of the building and they're in the sandstorm
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and he's chasing him and he's got to get the goggles on, he's using his phone
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as best he can, and you see the cars coming and he's using the headlights to
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try to see, and the car chase, is just amazing.
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And then when everything is all said and done, once the car chase is done and
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Hendrix is escaped, the sandstorm clears.
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But also you think, we originally think it's the henchman, the blonde henchman,
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but it's actually Hendrix with a mask.
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Yeah. And then you find out, this is where you, because you'll see Windstrom again with Hendrix.
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So you know these two were in cahoons together the whole time.
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Yes. Yeah. Uh-huh. But...
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I did like the stuff with Brant.
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Where basically it's revealed that Brant was, well, we think that Tom Cruise's
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wife in it has been killed between films, although we'll find out,
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spoiler alert, later on that that's not the case.
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But Brant has always blamed himself for failing to protect her.
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So it turns out he's not really the secretary.
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He's actually a fully trained agent. So I like the sort of sparring between
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him and Cruise. And, you know, like Cruise is, who are you really?
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You know, that sort of thing. Yeah, because he calls him out.
29:57
He goes, there's no way you're a fucking, you're a desk jockey.
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You're a fucking, you're a fighter.
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Yeah. You're not the help. As Banshee calls him, you're not the helper, you know? Yeah.
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So I do like that reveal. And I do like that side story.
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And you do have Jane as kind of wasted a bit.
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I think, again, I think scenes were cut with her and Halloway,
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the agent, because of that relationship.
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So I like Paula Patton. She's gorgeous. And I like her as an actress.
30:24
But I thought her character was kind of wasted to be honest.
30:27
Yeah, I was going to say that as well.
30:28
I agree. I actually think she's I don't know what, maybe there was edits that
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went on, but I think overall her character is the weakest of the main characters here.
30:38
Well, apart from the bad guys, certainly of the good guys of the IMF team,
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she's the weakest character and I think that's maybe why she's not in the next one.
30:47
They say scheduling issues. But you're right, sometimes that means you're fired. Yeah, exactly.
30:52
That can mean anything. But now we're introducing Breeze Knopf and he owns the
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code from the satellite.
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They need to get access to the satellite. Yes.
31:03
And, okay, I'd like to see the banter between Brant and Benji.
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Brant has to jump down in this tunnel. Yes. And he's got the Magnus are going to save him.
31:17
Yes. It's a fucking great scene, but
31:20
the whole scene with Jane and
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her trying to seduce Nath I gotta say it's
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terrible and the reason I don't
31:31
like it I felt I was back in Mission Impossible 2 yeah I mean even the Indian
31:38
playboy you know super billionaire guy himself it's cringe it's just a bit stupid
31:44
you know overall I don't think it really works but yes the seduction scene doesn't work Willie either.
31:51
It actually reminded me a bit of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
31:54
You know, obviously the Indians setting, but you know whenever Indy and Willie
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are, but it's done for comedic reasons, which this is as well,
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but it works much better in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom,
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whereas here it's just a bit cringe and a bit out of place, actually.
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Yeah, that's kind of what we were talking about in the beginning with the Russian president. Yes.
32:15
It's just like when the action scenes work here, they work.
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But there's not many action scenes in the film. Yeah. There's quite a bit.
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They're great. When they're there, they're fucking great.
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I mean, the ghost protocol, the tower is the big one, obviously, and the guard chasing.
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I do like the nods. Like when he goes, when Ethan goes to the ship to go talk
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to the man who knows everything.
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Yeah. It's made from President Spruller. Yeah. Yeah.
32:42
The reason he does that is because he knows the detective will go to him. Where was Ethan going?
32:47
Yeah. This guy's going to betray him. But did he notice the guy who made him put the mask on?
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That's the guy. He was in prison with Spruller. No, no, no.
32:59
Okay. You know the guy when he goes to the ship and you see a guy with long
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hair and glasses? Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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He was Max's. That was Max's henchman in the first one.
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Ah, right. Same character. Right. That's why he says, hey, how's it going? He knows.
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Right. I didn't know that. Yes. I just thought it was just another contact that he had.
33:19
I didn't realize he was also in the first film. No, he kept contact with him.
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That's how he. Yeah. So I thought that was kind of fun. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah.
33:28
Now let's talk about this scene. Now, unfortunately, I wish we knew the bad
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guy to be more vile. Yes, he wants to kill everybody. That's bad.
33:37
But I never saw him kill anybody. Like, I want to see some torturing.
33:41
He's no, he's no, he's no personality.
33:43
And yeah, you know, it's, he does kill, he does kill that poor guy,
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Linoid, Linoid or whatever, the guy who knows the codes. But that's it. But,
33:52
But, yeah, and he kills his family. So I guess I talk about it's bad.
33:58
Right? No, no. But for a bad guy, you want to have a real threat and a presence.
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He has a physical presence, but it's not really put to use, you know?
34:07
And as an actor, I'm sure he was a bit pissed off himself that he wasn't given
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enough to do, you know? And I'm sure he wanted to do more.
34:14
And, yeah, obviously there's a danger of going to Hammy, but he's not given enough.
34:19
And so it just, it doesn't as a bad guy, you know, I think that this is one
34:24
of the biggest weaknesses of this film, and it does have some great moments, but it has no real.
34:30
Definable villain that you can sort of, or memorable villain would be a better
34:34
way to put it, you know Yeah, with a villain like this, you want to say,
34:39
you want the audience to go get him.
34:41
Exactly He might as well just be a henchman Yeah, and it was missing that in all fairness.
34:46
In fact, Sabrina Sabine was probably more of a badass.
34:50
Yeah. Yeah. But I do like, I guess these things do exist. This whole car park
34:56
elevator thing is fucking awesome.
34:58
That's, I was about to say that actually that, you know, the car factory sort
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of finale that, that is. No, that's a car park.
35:05
Yes, I know. But it works very well. So it does. Oh, I love it.
35:08
And I love just the fight. And this one, we talked about you,
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Freight of Heights and Washington.
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Him taking these hits and falling on cars. You can feel this.
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It's like, ouch. No, no, it's very well done.
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And I do like, you know, the guy we never got to know wants this to happen.
35:28
This is how evil he is. We get this one shot. You know, we talked about just
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a second ago how we want our villains to be badass and stuff.
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He does a badass move here. He sacrifices himself.
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So he can't get to him. So he can't get to him off the nuclear bomb.
35:42
So he jumps off the car and he fucking hits.
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But when he hits the car, when he's falling down and then hits the cement splat,
35:51
and he's still alive at the end.
35:53
It's so good. No, no, wait.
35:56
And then Tom Cruise gets in a car. This is where I got to go.
36:00
Oh, okay, Tom. We like you, buddy.
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But he takes the car and just heads straight down, and he crashes head on. Yeah.
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How many miles an hour How many floors
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up And the airbag saves them But he's Tom
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Cruise you know what I mean And he probably did that stunt himself I
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would have no doubt But I would say that this is another I
36:21
found the Bad guy's motivations for wanting to End the world a bit one dimensional
36:27
And a bit stupid actually So I wanted a more Elaborate plan and to be honest
36:33
I think after this I think Because Cruise is no dozer you know in terms of being
36:37
You know as a producer and stuff,
36:39
he's no you know he's no dozer at all i think
36:42
that's a reason mcquarie was brought on board for
36:45
the following ones both as director and writer mcquarie
36:49
wrote the usual suspects and stuff and yeah i just think the bad guy here his
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motivations are stupid and one-dimensional and also we knew we're near in it
36:57
enough i like you said but but isn't his character really just a bond villain
37:02
yeah but with no personality at least bond villains have personalities and he, you know.
37:07
I get, you know, trying not to show too much of the bad guy,
37:10
but you just don't see enough of him.
37:12
You know, I want him to snarl and, I don't know, stroke a cat or something,
37:16
you know, or give us something, you know?
37:18
Yeah, so at the end, Ethan's wife is
37:21
alive. They look at each other from a distance, give each other a smile.
37:25
Brant's okay now because he knows she's still alive. And Brant accepts the next
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mission to join the team.
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Yes. And we find out that the next, The next is about the syndicate Yes,
37:38
and also more importantly,
37:40
Luther pops up Yeah, Luther has his little cameo Nice to see him Oh yeah,
37:45
always Nice to see Biggie, Bing Rames Oh yeah, I like Bing,
37:49
As pointless as the role was Yeah, well exactly But he's Marcellus Wallace,
37:53
you know what I mean So always great to see him,
37:56
Alright guys, we're going to dive in now to the next one here,
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Yeah, guys, thanks for being patient with this one I hope you enjoy it And our
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next one up is going to be,
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holy shit. What is it? Rogue nation? Rogue nation. Yes.
38:10
I think you're right, Kieran. Great phrase.
38:13
Brain freeze. Sorry, I lose brain cells every time I'm having a conversation with Trevor.
38:20
No, to be fair. Right. I'm more like the other way about it.
38:23
No, to be fair, these are certainly the next three at least,
38:27
I'm missing possible, you know, this one and the next two could all be watched
38:31
back to back because they do run into each other in terms of the characters.
38:35
Well, they all do, including the new one. Yeah. They're doing what they do, Daniel Craig.
38:38
Yeah. All of Daniel Craig's movies.
38:41
Yeah, they're all internet. and all four of them tell a story. Yeah.
38:46
And a reason why they happened. Yeah, so they're all a continuation. Yeah.
38:52
So there you go. We are, we're done. I think we're going to wrap this one up.
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All right, guys, listen, thanks. And give us a shout always at citizenframe
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I'm worn out watching all these stunts. Yeah, people jumping off the biggest
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buildings in the world and stuff. Yeah.
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My favorite stunt he's ever done is coming up in the next one.
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It's the opening scene. He's fucking nuts. I love it. Fucking love it.
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And he did like 12 takes. But listen, you guys have a good one. Talk soon.
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