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The Clone Wars Saves the Day · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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Speaker 1: But John, I love it when we do a topic
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Speaker 1: that neither of us know, like one of us doesn't
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Speaker 1: know what's coming, right, And this is one of those episodes.
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Speaker 1: I texted you this week and I said, dude, I
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Speaker 1: got I got a topic and you were like, that's great,
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Speaker 1: And I said, tonight, do you want me to tell
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Speaker 1: you what it is? Or do you want to just roll?
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Speaker 1: And you're like, no, man, roll, And so that's exactly
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Speaker 1: what we're gonna do tonight. You don't know what this
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Speaker 1: topic is. Y. But so the Lovely Ashley Xneine was
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Speaker 1: at a recent expo with a reunion panel for the
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Speaker 1: Clone Wars and she reflected on and she was reflecting
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Speaker 1: on what it was like to launch the animated series
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Speaker 1: when Star Wars had very little momentum, right the original
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Speaker 1: trilogy was over, the prequel trilogy was over, and as
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Speaker 1: far as we knew, there was no Star Wars that
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Speaker 1: was going to be coming out. And then the Clone
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Speaker 1: Wars came out, and this is of course before Disney
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Speaker 1: bought it, and that in some ways that she was
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Speaker 1: saying that without the success that we had with the
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Speaker 1: Clone Wars, we might not be seeing things that we're
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Speaker 1: getting even in Disney, like with the Mandalorian Bulba Fat
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Speaker 1: all this other stuff. And so I wanted to just
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Speaker 1: talk about that with you, and one do you agree
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Speaker 1: with her? Do you do you think that the Clone
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Speaker 1: Wars helped kind of set the template for so much
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Speaker 1: of what we are seeing that's coming out of Disney
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Speaker 1: these days.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I take I take that perspective. I
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Speaker 2: take that perspective for granted that basically I know that
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Speaker 2: two thousand and five came around, and I always you know,
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Speaker 2: I've always told the story. When when Revenge of the
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Speaker 2: Sith came out, I basically said to my wife, I said, Okay,
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Speaker 2: this is it. Childhood's really over. Now, this is done right,
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Speaker 2: There's no more Star Wars to be had. We're walking
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Speaker 2: away at this point, and I said goodbye, and I
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Speaker 2: walked off, and I said, this will always be a
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Speaker 2: treasured piece of my life and it's done with. And
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Speaker 2: then when they announced Clone Wars was going to be
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Speaker 2: a movie, and this is a funny bit of history
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Speaker 2: repeating people got mad Anakin has an apprentice, it's animated.
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Speaker 2: What on earth? Why are you setting it between the
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Speaker 2: you know, two of the prequels. The prequels suck. Where
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Speaker 2: are you talking about? Why would you do this? Why
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Speaker 2: aren't you doing this during the original trilogy. Everybody likes
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Speaker 2: the original trilogy. People can go back and do revisionist
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Speaker 2: history all that they want to. I was for these
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Speaker 2: conversations and it came out, and I remember a friend
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Speaker 2: of mine, Joey, who I've talked about before, when Star
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Speaker 2: Wars the Clone Wars opened at the movie theaters at
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Speaker 2: number three, he lamented. He said, no Star Wars movie
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Speaker 2: has ever opened at number three before. This is so sad,
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Speaker 2: this is this isn't really success. And I said, I
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Speaker 2: don't know, man, it's pretty good. I really liked it
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Speaker 2: a lot. I'm surprised I liked it as much as
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Speaker 2: I did, and he just wouldn't let it go. Star
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Speaker 2: Wars was dead, and then the show came out, and
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Speaker 2: I remember momentum wasn't immediately there, so I think that
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Speaker 2: it then built on it. It was completely unexpected and suddenly,
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Speaker 2: out of nowhere, Clone Wars became a thing and people
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Speaker 2: were on board with it, and it became the thing
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Speaker 2: that everybody loved. And I completely agree with her. I
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Speaker 2: think she's absolutely right. Everything that has come since then
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Speaker 2: is built on the shoulders of the Clone Wars that
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Speaker 2: proved that a different type of storytelling was possible. That
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Speaker 2: Star Wars on television was possible, that different media were possible.
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Speaker 2: That basically planning out all of your stuff ahead of time,
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Speaker 2: you know, a different way of doing television production, I think.
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Speaker 2: And obviously I can't speak to the stuff on the
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Speaker 2: inside the way that you know a certain friend of
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Speaker 2: the show can, and I would never dare to try
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Speaker 2: to take that place in a conversation. But I think
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Speaker 2: anybody who worked on the Clone Wars would agree they
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Speaker 2: were making it up as they went, they were figuring
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Speaker 2: it out as they went, and they were doing it
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Speaker 2: just for the love of the gain. Like I know,
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Speaker 2: I'm rambling, but it seems like Clone Wars was once
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Speaker 2: again a success for the same reason that anything else
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Speaker 2: was a success that Lucas made with Star Wars, which
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Speaker 2: was he always seemed to go to his crew and
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Speaker 2: his cast and say, I'm the only person you have
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Speaker 2: to please. I'm doing this for me, and if other
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Speaker 2: people love it, yep, I'm on board too, and that. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: So I think everything everything traces back to that moment
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Speaker 2: it proved that Star Wars could exist outside of a
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Speaker 2: trilogy of Skywalker movies.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, you know, I agree with so much of
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Speaker 1: what you're saying there, and I think there are just
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Speaker 1: so many branches that of all, you were saying that
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Speaker 1: we could just like pick up one and probably talk
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Speaker 1: for an hour on and you know, I think one
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Speaker 1: of the things that you mentioned that I just kind
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Speaker 1: of want to pick up and run with is, you know,
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Speaker 1: the idea that they were in some ways, you know,
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Speaker 1: making this up as they went along, and all they
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Speaker 1: had to do was to please George, And what that
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Speaker 1: meant was for them really getting to kind of expand
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Speaker 1: what Star Wars is in the first place, right in
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Speaker 1: the sense of the type of stories that we're going
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Speaker 1: to tell, because that's one of the things about the
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Speaker 1: Clone Wars we've talked about so many times, you know,
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Speaker 1: is it opened the door for them to try to
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Speaker 1: tell Star Wars stories but through different genres, with different moods,
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Speaker 1: with different sensibilities, right some I mean you talk about
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Speaker 1: Lucas wanting to make you know, his esoteric films that
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Speaker 1: he would only see in his basement. I would say
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Speaker 1: to you the Droid arc is that series, right, is
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Speaker 1: Lucas thinking about the super esoteric, weird stuff. You know
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Speaker 1: that hearkens back all the way to the kind of
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Speaker 1: the crazy out of his mind experimental type of film
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Speaker 1: that you would get with like THHX one, one, three eight, right,
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Speaker 1: but then you got to ultra mythology, you know, with
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Speaker 1: the Mortis trilogy or the Yoda arc that we got,
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Speaker 1: or you just got plain you know, silly episodes with
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Speaker 1: like the the Charger episode where he's being the Jedi,
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Speaker 1: the pretend Jedi and so. And I think that's the
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Speaker 1: thing when I look at then what Disney ran with,
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Speaker 1: especially with what they enabled somebody like Favreau who comes
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Speaker 1: in with this idea where he wants to truly take
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Speaker 1: a lot of the thought processes and different genres that
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Speaker 1: that inspired Lucas and and really go for the you know,
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Speaker 1: man with No Name, uh Wolf and cub storyline and
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Speaker 1: really ground Star Wars in that kind of like Western feel.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: Clone Wars had set up the success to show how
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Speaker 1: you can do that type of stuff. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I think to the other huge point of this is
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Speaker 1: that so much of what we get in Star Wars
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Speaker 1: these days is just rooted in the storytelling that got
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Speaker 1: expanded in the Clone Wars in the first place, the
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Speaker 1: mythology that they created, the way in which George was
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Speaker 1: able to just expand the universe by giving us things
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Speaker 1: like Zero the Hut or which you know, or you know,
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Speaker 1: you think of all of the different races that we
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Speaker 1: got to kind of dig more into, you know, whether
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Speaker 1: it was the Moncal or any of these type of things. Right,
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Speaker 1: We're seeing all of this stuff kind of play itself
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Speaker 1: out in shows like The Mandalorian, the Book of Boba,
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Speaker 1: Fayett Ahsoka, and or you know, like you know, people,
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Speaker 1: there's this you know, ridiculous thing that's happening online right
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Speaker 1: now with like and Or versus the Mandalorian and Grogu. Right,
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Speaker 1: but both of those things actually have their basis in
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Speaker 1: the type of storytelling that we got in the Clone Wars, right, Yes,
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Speaker 1: because we had those ultra political intrigue episodes in the
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Speaker 1: Clone Wars which and Or built on, Or we had
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Speaker 1: the crazy outlandish monster episodes like the Zillobast that the
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Speaker 1: Mandalorian Grogu kind of builds on.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: And so when I yeah, I mean, I think Ashley
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Speaker 1: is one hundred percent right in the sense that not
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Speaker 1: only did in some ways I think Star Wars was
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Speaker 1: saved by the Clone Wars coming around, but it actually
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Speaker 1: paved the way for all the things that we are
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Speaker 1: loving now.
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Speaker 2: I agree, and I think that you're hitting on a
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Speaker 2: very important point that Clone Wars was the first to
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Speaker 2: really experiment so openly with different styles and bringing them
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Speaker 2: in and just saying, you know, let's just see what this,
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Speaker 2: Let's see what works here, what can play in the
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Speaker 2: Star Wars universe? What is Star Wars? Well, it's a
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Speaker 2: story about soldiers behind the lines, or it's a story
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Speaker 2: about you know, criminal gangsters and cad Bane or anything
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Speaker 2: like that, or an even number of things. And Star
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Speaker 2: Wars is something that, thanks to the Clone Wars is
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Speaker 2: expanded to the point where all of these different types
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Speaker 2: of things can co exist. And I hate it when
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Speaker 2: I or anybody else dares to draw parallels with the
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Speaker 2: other Star franchise. But what has Star Trek always struggled
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Speaker 2: to do to stop being a star Fleet show? It
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Speaker 2: loses its identity an awful lot. What is Star Trek
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Speaker 2: if it's not Kirk on the Bridge or Cisco on
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Speaker 2: DS nine, Like DS nine was like a big breakthrough
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Speaker 2: thing for Star Trek and that sort of stuff, but
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Speaker 2: it's always struggled with the fan base excepting that, And
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Speaker 2: I think what you're seeing is that there's certain pieces
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Speaker 2: of the fan base in Star Wars that have calcified,
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Speaker 2: and Star Wars can only be this, and Star Wars
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Speaker 2: can only be that. And maybe it's a function of age,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, or people getting grumpy as they get older,
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Speaker 2: or people not being open to different things, but being
13:27
Speaker 2: somebody just barely old enough to have comprehended Mark Hammill
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Speaker 2: on the Muppets, or very very vague memories of the
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Speaker 2: Star Wars Holiday Special or any of those other weird things.
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Speaker 2: None of us said, oh, well, that's not Star Wars.
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Speaker 2: We just said, oh, you know, in the case of
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Speaker 2: something like the Holiday special or even e Walks or
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Speaker 2: Droid's cartoons, it's like, eh, not nuts about this. Did
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Speaker 2: we stop being fans? Did we say, oh, star Wars
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Speaker 2: is over.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: Star Wars always reinvents itself and it says, okay, you
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Speaker 2: know what, we'll try this. Are we the e walk movies?
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Speaker 2: Are We? The Droid series? Are we? And or the prequels?
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Speaker 2: Are we? The movie without a movie with Shadows of
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Speaker 2: the Empire? Were all of these things? And just let
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Speaker 2: Star Wars keep being a playground. Man. Don't sit on
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Speaker 2: the grass and talk of the death of Star Wars.
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Speaker 2: It's very much alive. Let it just keep doing its
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Speaker 2: thing and trying different stuff.
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Speaker 1: Well, and I think that there's something important about that
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Speaker 1: in that sense, right, is that I think this is
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Speaker 1: the thing that the Clone Wars does really open the
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Speaker 1: door to, which is to expand the storytelling by pulling
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Speaker 1: from different genres to dell different types of stories. And
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Speaker 1: it's all contained within the saga, right, But it also
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Speaker 1: helped us realize that not every story needed to be
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Speaker 1: universe expanding. We're gonna have to destroy a death Star
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Speaker 1: type of thing. Like I think the Clone Wars helped
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Speaker 1: us realize that some of the best stories weren't really about,
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Speaker 1: you know, trying to do something massive to save the galaxy,
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Speaker 1: even though it's all contained within that. But like those
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Speaker 1: small stories you think of like Lightsaber lost, right, great episode,
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Speaker 1: you know, I even think of the final four episodes
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Speaker 1: of Clone Wars, which, yes, they have massive implications for
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Speaker 1: this saga as a whole, but really it's an incredibly
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Speaker 1: personal story of Ahsoka, right. It's her journey of surviving, right,
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Speaker 1: and and it's one of the best things that Star
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Speaker 1: Wars has ever done. And yet it's not about saving
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Speaker 1: the galaxy. It's about saving herself in this moment of
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Speaker 1: absolute crisis. And uh, it truly just is about this
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Speaker 1: character growing and all of those things. And and you know,
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Speaker 1: when when we look then at the storytelling that's coming out,
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Speaker 1: it's like, so when you get a movie like The
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Speaker 1: Mandalorian and Grogu, not every Star Wars film has to
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Speaker 1: be about galaxy ending threats. You know, It's about telling
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Speaker 1: stories about characters that you love and watching them grow.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: That's that's all good storytelling is anyway, right, And so
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Speaker 1: the thought process that everything has to be basically focused,
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Speaker 1: just like one of the episodes is uh, is I
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Speaker 1: think a detriment to the lessons that we learned from
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Speaker 1: the Clone Wars and good Star Wars storytelling. Uh and
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Speaker 1: and and I think that's something that like, in many ways,
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Speaker 1: you know, people are going to have to get used
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Speaker 1: to if you want a franchise to be able to continue, right,
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Speaker 1: it has to be able to find ways to organically
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Speaker 1: grow and tell stories that keep people interested, but aren't
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Speaker 1: just doing the same thing over and over and over again.
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Speaker 1: And I you know, and I think about it in
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Speaker 1: some ways too. I think that's one of the reasons
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Speaker 1: that people really enjoyed Rogue one. Right, it was an
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Speaker 1: important story, but it had a lot to do with
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Speaker 1: characters that like almost all of them die, right, you know,
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Speaker 1: and so but but just watching their story for two
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Speaker 1: and a half hours was enough. Yes, they did something
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Speaker 1: important too, right, and and so yeah, I don't know, man,
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Speaker 1: it just it's one of those things when I when
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Speaker 1: I really look at the beauty of what the Clone
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Speaker 1: Wars gave us as Star Wars fans, you know, I
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Speaker 1: don't think that it's outrageous to say that it really
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Speaker 1: truly does set the template for how to continue to
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Speaker 1: tell Star Wars stories, maybe for another fifty years.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that also you're seeing with a reaction to,
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Speaker 2: for instance, the box office of the Mandalorian and Grog
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Speaker 2: again history repeating when the Clone Wars came out, Oh,
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Speaker 2: Star Wars is over look, it's number three at the
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Speaker 2: box office. Nobody cares anymore. Yeah, you know what, And
18:38
Speaker 2: it was something that everybody said, it was dead on
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Speaker 2: the vine, and we you know, what a misfire, what
18:47
Speaker 2: a miscalculation. But what it was was it was a recalibration. Okay,
18:52
Speaker 2: all right, now we know what the audience is willing
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Speaker 2: to accept, and we've got enough of them on board
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Speaker 2: that they'll give us a chance. That sort of going
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Speaker 2: in reverse order with Mandalorian and Grogu. But people are
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Speaker 2: already prognosticating about, oh, Starfighter has to do big money. No, no,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't. It needs to do enough money because we
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Speaker 2: are in a different era. And I lay all of
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Speaker 2: this at the feet of Disney with the damn Marvel movies.
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Speaker 2: Sorry to go on my typical sort of tangent, I'll
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Speaker 2: just keep it very brief this time. Everybody should be
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Speaker 2: familiar with it. But conditioning everybody to think that a
19:33
Speaker 2: movie is unsuccessful if it doesn't make a billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: Let's break it down one more time for everybody. No
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Speaker 2: matter how much a movie makes, the people in Hollywood
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Speaker 2: who parenthetically as an aside, love to tell us all
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Speaker 2: what we should be doing to save the world and
19:52
Speaker 2: all of that type of stuff through clever accounting, every
19:56
Speaker 2: movie loses money technically, and it's just a question of
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Speaker 2: different tax level stuff. And yes they're a barometer of interest.
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Speaker 2: But if what it does is it says to Disney, Okay,
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Speaker 2: make smaller movies and reset your expectations. Quite that means
20:17
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get more smaller movies, and guess what, they'll
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Speaker 2: be willing to experiment more and say, you know what,
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Speaker 2: maybe we were wrong. Hey, Steven Soderberg, come on over
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Speaker 2: and make the Hunt for Ben solo. We don't need
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Speaker 2: to make a billion dollars off of that. We'll make
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Speaker 2: four hundred million. That's fine, and we'll bring you over here.
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Speaker 2: We'll see an interesting story, and we'll tell stories out
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Speaker 2: of order, yeah, where they don't have to go in
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Speaker 2: sequence or anything like that. Sorry, I you know, I
20:47
Speaker 2: know that's a typical sort of tangent, but it's just
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Speaker 2: it's it's one of those things where Disney's own marketing
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Speaker 2: screwed everybody, and avatars included in that because Vatar goes
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Speaker 2: and it makes a ridiculous amount of money at the
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Speaker 2: worldwide box office and suddenly everybody's thinking, oh, you got
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Speaker 2: to make three billion dollars to be successful. Yeah you stop,
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Speaker 2: stop stop setting this sort of expectation. Make just make
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Speaker 2: movies again. Just make movies that draw enough people to
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Speaker 2: the theater. A nice consistent stream of people to the
21:22
Speaker 2: theater is better than the tent pole model anyway. Let's
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Speaker 2: recalibrate and go for that and make up make up
21:29
Speaker 2: the margins on merch. You sell your ridiculous popcorn buckets,
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Speaker 2: that's fine. If that's going to make up the difference,
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Speaker 2: do that all for it well.
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Speaker 1: And again, like, I think that this is one of
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Speaker 1: the things that's really interesting about this as well. You know,
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Speaker 1: when when Ashley talks about the idea of the way
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Speaker 1: in which the Clone Wars kind of worked to save
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Speaker 1: Star Wars, a big part of that too is that
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Speaker 1: there is a general generation that's out there that's old
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Speaker 1: enough to be seeing this stuff in the theater that
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Speaker 1: Star Wars was brought to them through the avenue of
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Speaker 1: the Clone Wars, and so telling stories that are akin
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Speaker 1: to what we saw in the Clone Wars, I think
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Speaker 1: is just incredibly smart on that front. Like we forget
22:30
Speaker 1: sometimes you know that we are in an era where
22:35
Speaker 1: you know, the kids who grew up on the prequels
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Speaker 1: and the kids who grew up on the Clone Wars
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Speaker 1: are the ones that you know, the studio does need
22:44
Speaker 1: to reach, right and so by referencing the things and
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Speaker 1: telling stories with the things that they loved, that's a
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Speaker 1: smart idea, right because you know, in the end, just
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Speaker 1: trying to hold on to the people who you know
23:02
Speaker 1: saw it in nineteen seventy seven. Well, you know that's
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Speaker 1: a generation that that's not gonna help you help the
23:10
Speaker 1: franchise continue the same way that the ones who grew
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Speaker 1: up with the Prequels and the ones who grew up
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Speaker 1: the Clone Wars are the ones that tap into But it.
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Speaker 2: Will all that that older generation as well, very vocally will.
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Speaker 2: They're the debbie downers at a party where everybody just
23:27
Speaker 2: wants to have a good time, just like hang out,
23:30
Speaker 2: and then they'll come in and it's all about how
23:33
Speaker 2: they're feeling about something and it's like, you know, I'm
23:36
Speaker 2: not mister positivity. I'm not ned Flanders about everything. But
23:40
Speaker 2: at the same time, it's like, okay, I get it.
23:43
Speaker 2: Like I have I have a dear friend where like
23:46
Speaker 2: all he does is complain about stuff, and there's like
23:49
Speaker 2: he goes to the movies and all he does is
23:50
Speaker 2: complain about the movies, and it's like, what why do
23:53
Speaker 2: you keep going? And the response I've gotten is well,
23:55
Speaker 2: there's nothing else to do. I'm like, there's so much
23:57
Speaker 2: else to do. It was not working for you. Walk away, brother, you.
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Speaker 1: Can know, it's just read a good book, go walk out.
24:04
Speaker 2: You know everybody says touch grass, but no, you know what,
24:06
Speaker 2: paint read a book, you know, listen to it, Listen
24:09
Speaker 2: to an old album on vinyl, because it it's so
24:12
Speaker 2: much better. You know. Like anyway, this wasn't so much
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Speaker 2: about that as like, I just think that that she's
24:20
Speaker 2: absolutely correct. Everything that exists today is because the Clone
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Speaker 2: War series broke that ground, broke through and made it possible,
24:29
Speaker 2: and it's all built on that. The Mandalorians come. The
24:34
Speaker 2: Mandalorian is a direct offshoot of Favreau coming in and
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Speaker 2: the Mandalorian lore. Oh no, the Precious Eu was completely
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Speaker 2: blown up and rewritten in the prequel trilogy and in
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Speaker 2: the Clone War series completely blown up and rewritten, and
24:53
Speaker 2: everything about it changed and everybody said, oh cool. Yeah,
24:59
Speaker 2: some people still complained, but most everybody said, oh cool.
25:04
Speaker 2: And so yeah, like you could go all the way
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Speaker 2: to the Mandalorian and that is straight because of the
25:08
Speaker 2: Clone Wars. It is a direct line and there you go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know, you think about it,
25:14
Speaker 1: and you know John and Dave talked about this, and
25:17
Speaker 1: especially John, you know that that Dave is the one
25:20
Speaker 1: kind of responsible for bringing him into Star Wars in
25:24
Speaker 1: the first place, you know, because Dave visited the set
25:28
Speaker 1: of Iron Man, right, and then asked him if he
25:32
Speaker 1: wanted to do a voice in the Clone Wars and
25:35
Speaker 1: John was like yeah, you know, And so that's how
25:39
Speaker 1: John came into this and we got connected. And like
25:42
Speaker 1: you said, it's all because he also played a Mandalorian
25:48
Speaker 1: that what we have as that show in the first
25:50
Speaker 1: place exists. And so I do I love man. I
25:54
Speaker 1: think I love being able to the beauty of something
26:03
Speaker 1: where like because this is the other thing. Like my
26:05
Speaker 1: wife and I actually watched the Clone Wars movie before
26:08
Speaker 1: she went and saw the Mandalorian in Grogu. And one
26:14
Speaker 1: of the interesting aspects of that is that you know,
26:16
Speaker 1: she loves Star Wars, right, she's seen it all, but
26:20
Speaker 1: she's not like I am in the sense that like
26:22
Speaker 1: knowing everything behind the scenes, right, So she didn't know
26:26
Speaker 1: that Rota was gonna be in the film. And so
26:32
Speaker 1: when they said that we had just watched that movie,
26:34
Speaker 1: she looks over at me in the theater and like
26:38
Speaker 1: gives me that big face, like really like yeah, and
26:42
Speaker 1: she was excited, right, And so you know, I mean
26:46
Speaker 1: it's just in the end, Disney. In the end, Lucas
26:53
Speaker 1: took a chance on something by doing an animation style
26:57
Speaker 1: and creating his own animation studio to do what he
27:01
Speaker 1: wanted to do. And and I just, you know, I
27:04
Speaker 1: got to call out because I think this is so important.
27:07
Speaker 1: None of this happens without Lucas, right, like what they're
27:11
Speaker 1: even building all the most successful Disney Star Wars right now,
27:17
Speaker 1: when you think of what's happening animated wise, when you
27:19
Speaker 1: think of like what's happening with the Mandalorian, all of
27:22
Speaker 1: that stuff, it's all predicated on things that Lucas just
27:27
Speaker 1: took a chance on. And the Clone Wars was one
27:30
Speaker 1: of the biggest chances of all time because lots of
27:34
Speaker 1: people forget like you mentioned, a lot of people hated
27:40
Speaker 1: it when it started. A lot of people hated Ahsoka
27:44
Speaker 1: and what happened. They came around baby, and we're we're
27:49
Speaker 1: living in a world that we're just reaping the benefits
27:52
Speaker 1: of Lucas sticking to his guns, you know. So yeah,
27:56
Speaker 1: it leaves me hopeful right that as we move here
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Speaker 1: into the future of Star Wars, if we can build
28:04
Speaker 1: on things like the success and the story of what
28:08
Speaker 1: we got in things like the Clone Wars. I think
28:10
Speaker 1: we're in good hands.
28:11
Speaker 2: Man, here's hoping, here's hoping. Just sit back and just
28:17
Speaker 2: support some of the crazy stuff, because I want to
28:20
Speaker 2: see crazy stuff. I don't want to see just the
28:26
Speaker 2: lore building like we were saying. I want to see
28:28
Speaker 2: I want to see the nutty things coming out there too.
28:31
Speaker 2: And I want to see Mall season two, and I
28:34
Speaker 2: want to see many seasons of Mall. I want every
28:37
Speaker 2: possible season of Mall that we could possibly order to happen.
28:41
Speaker 2: Because we got room here for all of that. And
28:43
Speaker 2: you knowwhere else we got room. We got lots of
28:45
Speaker 2: room online for people to find you and contact you
28:48
Speaker 2: and get further thoughts about how the Clone Wars shaped
28:51
Speaker 2: Star Wars and other things. So, Matt, where can they
28:54
Speaker 2: find you online?
28:55
Speaker 1: Well, you can find me all over social media under
28:58
Speaker 1: the name Matt Tershing zero too. I am on the platform.
29:01
Speaker 1: That's where you'll find me. You'll just want to search
29:03
Speaker 1: that name. And I'd love to talk to you, of
29:06
Speaker 1: course here on the network. You can find me on
29:08
Speaker 1: owl posts talking about every single chapter of the Harry
29:10
Speaker 1: Potter series, one chapter of Time and then over on
29:13
Speaker 1: the TFM Network doing a bunch of shows once called
29:15
Speaker 1: the six or two Club. John's a frequent guest over there,
29:17
Speaker 1: talking about all of the franchises we love outside of
29:20
Speaker 1: Star Trek, plus a lot of great Star Trek talk
29:22
Speaker 1: with my good friend Chris Jones. You can check out
29:24
Speaker 1: as well. But John, maybe you know people want to
29:27
Speaker 1: talk about the Clone Wars or more Star Wars, or
29:30
Speaker 1: you know, blogging is back for John Mills, So where
29:33
Speaker 1: can they find you?
29:35
Speaker 2: Well, blogging is making a guest appearance, that's for sure.
29:37
Speaker 2: Here's hoping it's a more extended run than it's been before.
29:41
Speaker 2: But yes, you can find me as Kessel junkie out there.
29:44
Speaker 2: Just look around, You'll find me and you can find
29:46
Speaker 2: me here on the network, co hosting a show called
29:49
Speaker 2: house Lights with Tristan Radel and Darren Moser, where we
29:53
Speaker 2: have a time talking about movies and someday I'll get
29:56
Speaker 2: those woses to watch horror films, but you know they
30:01
Speaker 2: are what's is. But other than that, Matt, I am
30:04
Speaker 2: gonna go plan an entire horror series based in Star
30:10
Speaker 2: Wars because gosh jarn it, that's what I want. I
30:14
Speaker 2: want something scary, something fun. So let's go on back
30:19
Speaker 2: to the temple and storyboarded out because I think it's
30:22
Speaker 2: time to close these negotiations.
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Speaker 1: John, the coach gas are closed. Join the Revolution, Join
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Speaker 1: the Nerd Party.