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It's another episode of the Christian we've podcast.
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and enjoy this episode. Hello and welcome to another
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Today's guest is a singer-songwriter Tick-Tock star
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and vintage enthusiasts hailing all the way from Hampshire in
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the United Kingdom. Her name is Isabel Alan.
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Welcome to the show. How you doing?
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Oh I'm good. Thank you I'm doing good.
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Now for those listings podcast they won't actually get to see
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this. So I recommend all of the
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listeners of the podcast. Go check out the video version
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on YouTube. We can see in the backdrop of
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Izzie's room there. There is about I don't know.
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Probably hundreds of posters in the background.
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Everything from David Bowie, Hendrix, the doors, Kiss, Pink,
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Floyd everything. It's very, very cool room.
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How long did it actually take to just kind of like, assemble all
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of that together? Well, that's a question.
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I get asked a lot because, I mean, it doesn't look like it
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took a while, but I started playing like small posters in my
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room when I was like, 14, 15, like, so about three years ago,
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but I didn't if you were literally to have All of these
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with the blank wall. I think it'd probably take like
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a day and like I wouldn't just because the ceiling was so hard
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to do. Like I almost like fell off my
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bed so many times but it I really like it.
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And since it's a sight to behold, I mean because I'll just
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say for our listeners I discovered Isabel or is he on
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Tick-Tock? And I think the first thing I
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was drawn by was wow, that's a cool room.
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And then obviously, I saw the things you're interested in and
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your Slightly bit younger than me and I was like, oh, that's
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cool. It's cooler.
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The next generation is into this stuff because you are Mom close
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to 30. Now, I'm getting, I'm ancient.
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But the interesting thing about my generation your generation is
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that like, there's always this kind of appreciation for decades
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prior. So like right now, you know,
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there's a lot of people that are really big on like 80 staff and
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whatnot, that happened when I was growing up.
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When I was when I was young, there was this kind of 80s
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Revival thing and that happens quite often, you know, I mean
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you have like a bit of a like right now they're trying to
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bring back 2000s fashion. It's not going to happen.
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It was bad, then it's bad. Now the second-hand clothes from
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our young girls, like, That's the thing.
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Like those those errors that I get, I get why you're into these
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things and I get why these things become are perpetually
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cool because like, I don't know, it's kind of Timeless fashion,
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do you know? I mean there's some fashions
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that when you look at them, you like that.
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So that's never gonna come back but then you never, no, you
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never do know. I mean some of the fashions that
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I was dressing in back in the 2000s and some of the music.
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I was listening to, I hear people trying to bring that back
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now. And I find it interesting
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because it's like Some of it was was okay some of it was good but
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a lot of it was very of the time and a bit kind of over-the-top
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as far as I experimentation is concerned.
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So it's like but no to get to the more important thing that I
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wanted to ask you is where did this kind of interest and
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appreciation of retro things kind of begin because it's one
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thing to be interested in these things you know for me I've
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gotten like into all of these different bands through my mom
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and her record collection. You know it was like I'm a
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coming home Listing to think it was Lincoln Park Hybrid Theory.
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And I was like, where can I get more like music like this?
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And she said, here's all my records and there was everything
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from Hendricks Metallica and Ivana, I think was Motorhead a
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lot of cool things and it was all very varied.
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But through that obviously later on I discovered bands, like the
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doors and Bowie and all that stuff.
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But for me it was always kind of like okay cool.
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I like this music and I like new music but there's a lot of
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people like yourself that are kind of embracing these bygone
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eras and like fully immersing themselves in almost like living
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in that time in a kind of like time bubble with in our modern
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times. So like talk to me about how
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this kind of started for you and how its evolved to the point
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that it's at. Now I think my dad, when he was
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younger, he used to be a big fan of like 80's glam, rock kind of
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stuff and when I was younger he would always playing the car and
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I think the two bands that I like Most was Whitesnake and
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queen. When I was younger, I used to be
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absolutely obsessed with green, but only the latest stuff which
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I find through horrible. Now, like, I don't know why, but
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I remember my dad took me to see.
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We will rock you when I was younger and Brian may actually
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like appeared at the end and play Bohemian Rhapsody, which is
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absolutely sick. That's so cool.
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And I think I really like to learn stuff when I was younger
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and then probably when I was about ten to twelve eight, I
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went through this weird phase of liking bands like Fall Out Boy,
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which I don't want to ever mention.
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We're too late. Yeah.
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And then I start like Kiss, I found the Beatles when I was
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about twelve miles like Dan these.
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These guys are so cool. Like and so yeah, that's kind of
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where it all came from. And then I was like, I stole my
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dad CDs, my dad had a bunch of really sick records.
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He told me and he left them in the garage and they all walked,
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which is no. My so sad.
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Yeah, like probably most of us from stealing my dad CDs.
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And yes. So where do you kind of sit
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with, with modern music? I obviously, we know we all know
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that you're really into your old music and your classic and music
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and whatnot. But like, do you have like zero
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interest In modern music, or is it just kind of like you feel
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kind of like older music is just generally better because, you
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know, I've met a lot of people, I've always been a musician,
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always been involved in music in some shape or form.
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And I've met people, all sorts of types are some people are
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like, no, the best music was made before this error.
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And there's other people that like because like for me,
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personally, I sit on the fence of like most of the music.
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I listen to is from a bygone era, but there's a lot of modern
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stuff that I listen to as well, that I think is worthy of this.
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See every now and again something comes through and I'm
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like, oh that's pretty good. You can normally here influences
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that so to give you an example, Mac, DeMarco as an example in
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him, I can hear like beetles. I can hear old stuff in that,
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but then there's also kind of a new flavor as well of the times.
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So like yeah, where do you sort of new music?
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I I mean I'm not completely I think saying that all modern
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music is bad is silly because that's just not how it is.
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Yeah, there is some good morning bands.
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I don't listen to it too much. Like I said, this band called
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Temple, which are pretty sick, and Arctic Monkeys sometimes
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like mainly just when other people put it on.
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I think it's quite nice but and the other one is Jack
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store-bought. I really like drugstore but he's
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really cool. I like his use of this and I
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bought a mini synth because of jokes or, but I thought I could
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Do this, I can't do that. I cannot do what Jack said.
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Okay, well that's cool that you experiment in there and you
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know, like because I know you play guitar and you do singing
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and stuff. But biggest as a musician It's
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always important to try and Branch out and try different
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things because more often than not we do tend to be
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multi-instrument instrument assists.
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I know that I can play the drums a little bit.
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I've never owned a physical drum kit.
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I had an electric current that doesn't really count but you
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know, I can't, I can play. I think like you once you kind
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of Stan, the basics of music you can kind of do not know mean
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that there's that joke. If you can play guitar can play
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bass or hook as a controversial statement.
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It's true, it's true. Yeah, what's that?
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We put this one when my, when my first band did our first record,
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our basis didn't come prepared and we were all kind of annoyed
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at him and I remember sorry Ryan.
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Okay. But this is true and, you know,
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it happened, we basically, he kept messing up the bass parts.
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And the producer was there with and I was there for like,
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everything. I was obsessed with, you know,
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everything. I was always.
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There had been first in last out during recording sessions and
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that, and I remember this time, you turned the producer turned
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to me, and just said, listen, Christian.
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Can you just do the baseball? And I felt bad because, like the
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base is sitting right there, and it's his part, but it's like
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we'd been there. At least a couple of hours
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trying to do pretty straightforward part.
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And in this particular section, we did a think.
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It took me like two takes and then that was a is a bit
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embarrassing but no. But like I thought.
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Yeah. But base is a, you know, sir
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instrument in of itself and it takes a lot of skill to do and I
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think it depends how you play if you're just playing.
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You know basic notes and stuff then.
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Yeah it's pretty easy to transition from guitar to Bass.
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If you actually want to play the bass guitar properly and really
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contribute something to a record, then you do have to go
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away, learn how to play. And what I mean by that is
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things like you know slap bass and things like you know even
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just the difference between, how things sound playing fingerless
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versus playing with a with a pick and stuff like that.
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There's so many other factors but yeah, one of my pet peeves
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with people. I'm base is when, when like a
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basis, like learned how to play bass without a pick and then
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they completely, I like, oh, imagine playing bass for the
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pig. It's like in certain situations.
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It's better like completely degrading it because now you've
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learned more skillful ways plays so dumb.
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And I act like, I like the college I go to.
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When people say that, I just heard so much.
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My, oh my gosh, as a basis, you should know.
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That's not true, you know. But the bassist mm in my band
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was like that. And it was like, dude, let wee
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wee, there were so many times. We said to him, like listen,
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it's okay to use a pick sometimes like it's, we were
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metal band as well. So using a pick in a metal band
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is, it's kind of like it's pretty important, especially if
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you're paying like, the faster licks.
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It's like, just just use the pick.
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It's fine, like, doing a mean we're not, we're not, I don't
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know, we're not Slayer. We just some band in London.
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That's trying to It so that no one's going to be paying
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attention to if you're playing, but you know we were young, you
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know, whatever. Yeah.
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There is that sort of elitism in music and that silly cut.
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I think it's a musician's quarrel.
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I think that anyone who's not a musician, probably won't get it.
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But like it's this whole thing of trying to like almost one up
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other musicians and that his assets something.
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I bet you can relate to. Do you ever do like sound
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checks? Or yeah.
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Oh, not even necessarily a Sanyo.
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Do you do something to you or do you do?
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Like you'd be playing shows particular when you're when
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you're starting out and you don't really have many people
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there and normally the people in the audience are the other
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bands, right? And you get every now and again
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I got this quite a lot where people will be standing in the
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audience like this, just kind of like looking annoyed the whole
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time and you can tell they're just judging you that every 5
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Seconds, they'll be like, oh my gosh.
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I mean, I could like the only gigs I've really done is with
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Pereira and begins. We have done, which is like two
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of them have been like online gigs where we go to a place and
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they feel most and we do it live.
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What have you the other one? Oh my gosh mikorskis.
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Wait I have a sore throat. I'm sorry.
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The other one we did was I sat down gig and the other band was
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like sat on the sofa over there. But they all seen I think I
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think we all had like Mutual. Respect one another because for
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some reason, I mean like I guess I understand because of Corona,
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but the person who was like, organizing the gig we had like
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us who was like more Rocky then like 1975 kind of Indie band.
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Then a completely pop person. But like, come, I mean, Indian
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are that like, completely different and we're kind of,
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it's like, we wouldn't really have a place to judge each
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other, because we don't understand it.
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Well, Well, I used to dress that's plane in London, that
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promote promote is when they don't put the right sort of
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bands to go over that. I could, I think so many times
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when I turned up to a place and the band but there was those one
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gig I played where because I was like against playing Pub gigs.
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I was like, no we never play pubs.
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We're not Pub and we're metal band, we play venues but there
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was one thing, it was in our local area and it was like an
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all-day they called it a festival.
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It wasn't like, you know what I mean?
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Like when there's like I don't know 15 bands throughout the day
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and you come and do your slot. We had like a 7 p.m. slot and as
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I like as a one-off will do this because it's local fine, the
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band before us. It's not a band.
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It was a guy with a guitar doing, a jazz fusion
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experimental Jazz for like half an hour and it wasn't like fun.
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Like like, you know, maybe got some Pink Floyd Vibes.
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No, it was just straight-up boring as hell.
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Only a minor amount of the population would appreciate it.
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And then we come on, scary, hardcore, post-hardcore, kind of
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metal band, / thrash metal and suffice it to say the mood was
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not there. We horrified everyone in the
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building, everyone looks shocked.
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It look like Slayer had just come through and just killed
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everyone or something. It was quite terrifying.
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And then we We came off got a light kind of golf clap and then
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the next band comes on and they're like a pop band like,
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you know, like sort of Pop almost pop punk like you Mommy
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didn't love me. Everything's unfair, like just,
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I don't know. Whatever is it was such so weird
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and I found that all the time with so many promoters in London
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where they just don't care, they just put any old crap on
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together and be like, yeah, that works wherever is why you got
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guitar. They got guitars that works.
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Is that know, it doesn't. You need to think about setting
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the mood and that building build it up.
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So, if you did have a pop band on a metal band show, put them
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at the beginning and work your way up.
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Have the pop band, then have a sort of light rock outfit, then
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go metal, and then, you know what I mean?
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It's, yeah. Like, rockets know, especially
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like, with people, you have just come to see anyone, really.
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It's like Could have some kind of organization with things like
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that and I wouldn't really take much.
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It's just like actually doing some research into the band.
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Nursing would go best whatever. I just laid out there that takes
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five minutes. Yeah, you got a couple of bands
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and, you know, okay, well logically, how does this work?
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And you put them in order like, you know, me, because it's about
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Vibes, isn't it? It's like if you put on but I'll
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give you, I'll give you really good.
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Famous example. So I'm She probably heard about
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this, I think it was in 2007, maybe 2006.
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It was even monsters of rock or download Festival is very
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famously. My Chemical Romance played after
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Slayer. So you can imagine whole
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audience is full of very serious melt heads.
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Yeah. And, you know, very violent
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people ready for fights and then comes on this emo rock outfit.
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Now, Amazon has a Band. Yeah.
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But putting them on after Slayer, not a good move and
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inevitably, they got bottled so brutally.
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And it's not fair, it's not cool.
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But what did that, man? Is expect really in that
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situation. Yeah, I know.
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That's a bit. I mean, I'm not like, yeah, that
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I can imagine that being a also, being quite funny though.
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Like, I mean, it, It kind of isn't it isn't?
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I don't know. I've seen it with other bands.
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I remember seeing there was this, I don't know what they're
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called. Black Veil Brides.
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Is it some sort of? Yeah, it's some sort of light.
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They look like a glam metal band but they're kind of I don't know
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how to describe it. Really.
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I remember I had to take someone's son to go see them.
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It was like his first gig. So I'm here, I'm like, 21:22.
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I'm there with my then girlfriend and he's like, 14,
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15. We're taking him to his first
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show. It was weird, it was a wit but
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you know what they were. Okay, the the bomb was they put
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on a decent performance but I remember just thinking like this
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is very it's for a very small specific but there's a lot of
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music that comes through specially in the UK where its
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intended for very specific age demographic and it has its kind
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of couple of years and then you move on.
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So when I saw this band again years later at a festival,
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Again, same thing, you know, they were still doing the same
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music. They've done sort of 34 years
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before and again, had been booked after some heavy band of
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the might been Lamb of God or something, they come on, get
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bottled mercilessly, and they didn't take it.
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Well, the the singer just he could have been a professional
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about it, but I think he started like this in the audience and
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stuff, and it's like, listen, best thing you can do in that
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situation. It's not your fault that that's
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happening. It's not your fault just finish
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and get off the stage as quickly as possible damage control.
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Don't don't open it up and make it worse for yourself by then
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attacking your audience. That's that's gonna ignite it
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even further. And the chances of you getting
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at that, I mean luckily at festivals we don't have glass
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bottles anymore. Like, it's Plastics and stuff,
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that's one Saving Grace, but, you know, people find a way.
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Yeah. Anyway, moving it on.
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And I just want to focus a little bit more on the right.
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Retro stuff before we move on to your band and your music and
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everything. Cuz you did mention that This is
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kind of an obvious question, but I kind of want to just explore a
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bit more about your personality, you as a person, you're
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interested in stuff. So I kind of know the answer but
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I think it'd be interesting for our audience to hear.
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Why do you kind of tend to prefer the Aesthetics of music
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of that bygone eras in comparison to today?
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Like, what about it? Is more preferable in your
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opinion? I mean, I obviously I kind of
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think things sound better. I just like the organic nurse
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of, you know, you have nowadays, you have all this electronic
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things. Like, I don't know how to
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describe it, but like, if you look at things like early
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Fleetwood Mac, you lose a job just like guitar bass drums and
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nowadays like things like Coldplay and cooperating like
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Tag. But I kind of like the orphan
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like me. I don't know.
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I, I'm not dissing it at all. It's just like a preference.
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I like the authenticity of those instruments instruments and I
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think the electronic can be using really cool ways, like
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with scents and like the who were very experimental with
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things like that or like one of the first bands to be and I just
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think the bands like that, just did it all in a way that people
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can't really today, just Because of how things will record it.
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You can't get like guitar tones from like back then, unless you
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like spent a lot of money just because like how things were
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recorded, just what how things were played and just the
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atmosphere of everything was just a lot cooler than another
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question. I get a lot is do, what do I do?
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I think I was born in the wrong generation and the I don't think
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I was born in the wrong generation, because despite me
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loving that area there, There was still like problems.
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Yeah, but like kind of phobia and things like that.
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And I'm straight, but like still, I just wouldn't want to
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be the ground that, you know, I think this is the problem,
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people forget as well. I'd like here's a, here's a
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really good example. So the fact that we can easily
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consume the music in any way we want.
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I think about, if you were in the 60s, 70s, you can't.
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I don't think the portable Headset stuff was invented to
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even lower late, 70s, or early 80s, I think so.
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Yeah, it's record player or nothing, you know, I was like
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yesterday, like how I'm not, like imagine having to buy,
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like, spend a lot of money back then to have like a discography
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of a band. You like we count a tenner for
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everything a month. Think about this as well, right?
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Because I had a little bit of an experience with this in the
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early 2000s when I was discovering various, Hands
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right? Where you'd go into like a HMV
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and you'd buy albums based on the cover art, but back then you
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could still find that music online.
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So you could check it on my own before.
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You actually bought it back in obviously 76.
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These whenever all you had to go on was one or two things, either
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one a recommendation from a friend.
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You might, you might have heard something on the radio, but for
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stuff that was considered, back then, very experimental.
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Something like I said, Jimi Hendrix, right in the 60s.
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That would have been considered almost Underground until he
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really got mainstream. It was you know what I mean?
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Experiment or steps. You wouldn't have heard it on
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the radio. So the only way you would have
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been able to find out about Hendricks would have been
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through recommendation from a friend or by going into a record
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store and hopefully you've just got someone there who's clued up
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and knows about this stuff and recommend.
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Other than that you're just looking at records and and and
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seeing like oh that looks cool. Oh that doesn't look cool.
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You know me it's very tough to know and that's why Back then, I
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think, yeah, record. Our artwork was so important but
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these days it doesn't really matter but like that then kind
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of probably the most important thing really because that's the
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first thing you see in the record store, you know,
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interesting stuff. Be I agree.
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I agree with your sentiment on that.
22:47
I think it's a lot easier to consume music and gain access to
22:51
all the different things that we, that we like these days.
22:54
And as you said, social issues a different, I mean, Back then
22:58
there was a lot of misogyny as well.
23:00
Yeah, music. And and there's some of that
23:03
still exists today but not like anywhere near the same.
23:06
Exact like I mean, another thing that I was like looking into,
23:10
which was like quite shocked. I, I looked into this, like,
23:12
ages ago, because my boyfriend's, father border up to
23:16
me, I thought I was like, shocked.
23:17
Like how rock stars would like sleep with underage girls and,
23:22
like, call them? Yeah, I was like, oh my fucking
23:25
like, So our school, I don't know if I'm not stealing a
23:29
strap. That's fine.
23:30
We against classes, Jimmy Page and like David Bowie like, had
23:36
some like, do on them. I was kind of just shocking to
23:40
like here, but like it was not, I don't think obviously it
23:46
wasn't like a but it was more normalize them, which is just
23:48
weird. Hmm, But yeah, like still then I
23:52
don't think I excuses it at all because I don't I don't know how
23:55
like look at someone so young thing.
23:58
Yeah, you know, I'm not trying to defend them, but I do think
24:03
particularly with someone like Bowie, if that would have
24:05
happened, I think those girls wouldn't have looked as young as
24:10
they as they actually were, but at the same time, I think you do
24:13
have to have more sex. If you're in a position of
24:16
authority, like a musician, I think a, you just, as a rule
24:21
shouldn't have kind of contact with fans in Yahweh.
24:24
Just just, just to be sensible. Yeah.
24:26
And be Kind of do your research a bit.
24:30
I'm not saying you have to go out and find someone's passport
24:32
or whatever but like come on you like you can kind of put two and
24:36
two together, you know like if you got someone rocking up at
24:40
your show there with a couple of friends and they look kind of
24:42
young to answers are there probably are under age, you know
24:45
what I mean? Yeah, and I don't know.
24:46
I think my eye for these things is pretty good.
24:48
Like if I go to a show like that Black Veil Brides show that I
24:52
mentioned earlier, right, you could tell the general age was
24:55
all T, smaller young teenager. Well but I don't know maybe it
24:59
maybe it was different then and some way.
25:02
But yeah, bring it back to what we were talking about with the
25:04
stress that lyrics is concerned. I've discovered that a lot and
25:07
it's like I love me. Some Led Zeppelin but it's
25:10
difficult sometimes to listen to some of it.
25:12
Damn. I was even listening to an
25:13
abbess on the other night. I think it was songs.
25:17
Does your mother know and I was listening to the lyrics of that
25:19
and I was like, This this is this is kind of questionable.
25:29
Yeah. Yeah and like I don't think
25:33
anything bad happen there but still it is kind of Testament to
25:38
they were different times. Yeah and I'm glad we've kind of
25:42
moved on from those times and we're getting we're getting my
25:46
bit in a more positive direction.
25:48
At least your people are more protected now.
25:50
And you know, There's less of that fingers crossed.
25:55
Yeah, this move it on. So what's the kind of community
26:00
like for retro vintage stuff online?
26:02
Obviously? Cuz I've seen a lot of people
26:03
and Tick-Tock like yourself, we were into this stuff.
26:06
But what's your experience of it?
26:07
Are you active part of? It is a big Community.
26:10
Tell us about that. I mean, I honestly I know that
26:12
like some of my neutrals I don't ever I don't really talk to any
26:16
of them like outside, ticked off at all, like I like we comment
26:21
on Each other's post. What have you?
26:22
But like it's it's kind of like just acknowledging each other
26:26
exist. I think there is a community but
26:29
I'm just kind of not quite around it too much.
26:33
I'm sure there are like groups of people that are like friends
26:35
online Etc but yeah I'm not really a part.
26:39
I'm kind of just vibing I guess I do.
26:44
I have some really cool mutual's on take dog but yeah, I don't
26:48
really speak to any of them outside kick.
26:51
I probably do like a couple but like not not like notably like
26:58
every day, like solid friendship kind of thing is just I kind of
27:01
like to be quite preserved, things like that.
27:05
And that's I was like gonna collaborate with someone what,
27:08
which I'd be completely open to what have I kind of don't really
27:12
speak to that many people from take up in terms of like how you
27:18
acquire a lot of the old vintage stuff that you get.
27:20
Like, I Kind of sort of figure out where you would go.
27:23
But that tell us about the sort of places that you tend to go to
27:25
pick up your, your vintage bits and Bobs.
27:28
There's this was, I found in like the Vintage side of a
27:31
charity shop. There's like only seven critical
27:34
but this one D for as the two, three places my leather jackets
27:37
like that, on eBay. I love collecting leather
27:40
jacket. My records I get from my local
27:44
record shop because the person in there is so cool, it's so
27:47
nice. Like I have vintage furniture,
27:56
which I've got from Facebook Marketplace.
27:59
Oh, anchor is from a child shop. Pretty much all of it is just
28:03
want like your standard secondhand shop.
28:07
Be just have to keep an eye out. Like I didn't just accumulate
28:11
all this overnight. Like, right years.
28:14
Yeah, looking around. Yeah, awesome, awesome.
28:19
What kind of comments? Do you tend to hear quite
28:22
regularly from people regarding your style and like, you know,
28:26
just your interests and stuff. All the common things you tend
28:29
to hear probably old you think a lot to you think you were born
28:33
in the wrong generation, like one of the ones I get a lot is,
28:36
oh, you're so quirky. It's like, okay, so, it's just
28:42
how to reply to that because like, if you look into the word,
28:45
quirky quirky, you're technically correct.
28:47
But I hate how modern it's been used to be like No, you listen
28:52
to the 97 file so I quite like that kind of thing.
28:55
Just like I'm not trying to be anything other than just show.
28:58
My interest is so annoying. Well I do obviously get loads of
29:03
really wonderful. Oh I know what you mean.
29:06
You mean like when people are like oh you like a poser?
29:10
You trying to be like deliberately like yeah kind of
29:13
like that kind of thing. This is all for sure.
29:19
Like I have seven Has their entire single one.
29:22
That's another one people ask if I play my guitar.
29:25
There's like, no, I don't play my guitars.
29:28
Like what? I don't understand that question
29:30
at all. So it sounds like jealousy to me
29:31
that I do understand to some extent.
29:34
You know, when I was growing up, I was always in the alternative
29:36
crowd, everything from emo seeing kids Metalhead, scale,
29:41
like, all of that stuff. I was always part of that crowd
29:43
and there I remember there was a lot of gatekeeping older people
29:46
would be like, oh well, you can't be, you know, you're just
29:49
doing this to you. It's I don't know.
29:52
Get cloud or something. And it's like, no, I like this
29:55
stuff. It took me ages to become part
29:57
of that crowd. And then when I did become part
29:59
of that crowd and get accepted, I realized that the rule
30:02
douchebags and it was all just poser and stuff.
30:04
And I was like, screw that. I'm not gonna be part of that
30:06
crowd like I just like this stuff because I like it.
30:09
Yeah, that's pretty much. And that's the thing is the
30:11
funny thing like I never stopped liking these things, whereas
30:14
those people sort of grew out of it, mostly at the pose of people
30:19
actual poses like they grew out of it and You know, now they
30:21
work in a bank or whatever, and it's like, oh, I guess that was
30:26
just a phase, huh? It's not a favor.
30:30
That's like that's also another thing.
30:34
I mean, yeah, I think I'll always be listening to music.
30:52
Your grandfather. Did you say my dad, you got a
30:56
bunch of stuff. He never stopped listening to it
30:59
and now he like listens to them still like fashion dolls, entity
31:04
them, quite a lot. I honestly don't like them that
31:06
much, but I went to see them with him down load testing
31:11
which, which download Two years ago, it was like not much at
31:18
all. My gosh, with Def, Leppard's
31:23
marshmallows, Kennedy and Whitesnake and I love the White
31:25
Snake so much. Can't know what his name is, the
31:29
lead singer for my state. He was also in Deep Purple
31:31
because me and my dad were wearing like matching t-shirts
31:34
nose like and there weren't many people, my age.
31:38
I remember like like jumping up and like waving at him.
31:40
Anyway, back and it's like, One moment I'm waxing. / with Myles.
31:46
Kennedy is this is very good stuff.
31:49
I think it's entertaining. I really like seeing them.
31:52
I just want to listen to them. Yeah, fair enough.
31:55
Fair enough. Okay, let's talk about your band
31:59
so you are the lead singer and Rhythm guitarist for a band
32:01
called Barrera. It's described as an alternative
32:04
rock band that takes inspiration from 60s and 70s bands.
32:08
How did this band start come about and what are your main
32:12
goal? You hope to achieve with this
32:13
burned. So it started off me and Tom
32:19
well, we we had like a similar friendship group and we get set
32:23
assignments from college to do projects together.
32:26
That's all the other people in the group and already paired up
32:29
with someone and Thomas like, Joanna work together and I was
32:32
like, all right, then I honestly was hoping I'd work with James
32:36
for it. Who isn't another member from
32:38
where? Ironically, because James is my
32:40
best friends and And he picked Ross, one of the other boroughs
32:45
Maze and so I was like, okay, I'll work with you whatever.
32:49
And I'm not going to life and Tom really annoying because he
32:52
was like he did like some good music, but he also really like
32:55
Coldplay. And I despise Coldplay with all
32:57
my being. I don't look back up a second.
33:00
What, why do you hate Coldplay? So much?
33:02
I find them cringey. And I swear, for one of my quads
33:08
project, I have to sing the song yellow.
33:09
And I sang it so many times and every time, it's like, A piece
33:13
of my dignity gets ripped away that I can punishment for your
33:18
college. They're just didn't know that.
33:19
Like, we had this project over lockdown, which was like we had
33:24
to write and produce a song and we completely redid Coldplay.
33:28
Like every not every sort of the song Yellow, we completely
33:32
redid. It made a recording of like us
33:34
playing it and it sounds pretty big.
33:36
But um, I was going to do a song called the foxes Sick by Bandai,
33:40
like, all the Savage Resurrection, And I kind of
33:44
couldn't be bothered. So I was like just do yellows,
33:47
whatever. Then they said, oh yeah, you
33:48
have to play them down. That's like, I'm so bummed out
33:50
because I've got absolutely love to play the song part of the
33:53
Sig. But yeah, I'm stuck doing that
33:57
but it's okay. I also had to perform it in
33:59
front of people at the end of the year or something, which is
34:01
worse. So it's always tricky to do in
34:03
front of your peers. I used to hate that school and
34:06
college just It was the worst and I've performed in front of
34:10
hundreds of people plenty of times and not felt a thing very
34:13
normal easy. But in front of people, I know
34:15
that's the worst. Yeah.
34:19
But yeah, so me and Tom work together to write two songs are
34:23
basically, the plan was. I wrote Because I was on the
34:27
songwriting course of this time. I do vocals.
34:28
Now, I'm just doing prove vocal, but at the time we were like,
34:34
write, I write the Tucson sent Tom, like, pretty much helps
34:37
could You sound like a battle the elements to it, and the
34:40
first song we wrote was our first ever somewhere released.
34:44
Like we actually the first song I ever wrote with Tom, we
34:47
released us around because then James and platforms are German
34:51
basis. They came along and added their
34:53
elements to it and that was can't help, which is are still
34:58
almost still our most played song on Spotify.
35:04
And then the other song was this really disgusting.
35:07
Sticks on. And I remember Tom boarded up a
35:09
couple months ago saying I want you back on that.
35:11
Remember that is really cool as like, Thomas Riley, chronic
35:14
absolutely not. I hated it so much and I
35:18
remember like kid it was like this Coldplay really don't
35:20
remember trying to make it more psychedelic you because I was
35:24
like a massive psycho. The time I love all that stuff I
35:28
still do but not as much now but so I try to make these loads for
35:33
really cool and they just ended up sounding cringy like I tried.
35:37
Way too high. And I was just like, no,
35:39
whiskey, absolutely forgetting that song.
35:41
Never so, yeah. And then, I think the goals for
35:47
the band is basically just make a living from it.
35:50
Be able to like spread the music.
35:51
I think that's any and scholarly yeah, your first album is
35:57
actually out right now, it's called abnormal Beginnings.
36:00
It was released in December 2020.
36:01
Told us about the sounds of that particular album.
36:04
Any particular lyrical themes that you explore Lord now's your
36:08
time to talk about the album album.
36:12
I mean on I think because I'm going back but like I think
36:19
since we're working on new stuff now I think we all kind of
36:24
agreed that we could have kind of now we could do a lot better.
36:29
Like we're working on music now and there's like I don't know if
36:32
I'm a stylist but there's like a couple things to come.
36:34
Well I mean actually we're about there is going to be stuff to
36:36
come. And like that.
36:41
I think maybe like five songs out of the nine.
36:44
I'm really like the rest of them.
36:46
I'm just like. Yeah, but yeah, the sounds
36:51
basically. We were since we're it was over
36:54
lockdown. We all like wrote stuff and then
36:56
over the zoom we tried to add and layer things together and it
37:01
was all a bit confusing and sliding all over the place.
37:03
That's why it's so like mix yonward because like, you know,
37:07
this Is the first time that we're kind of working on such a
37:11
big project here that, I mean, it's changed now because we
37:14
encourage we work together, things like that, like, every
37:16
sounded really cool. Like, I'm a lot, like not saying
37:20
the grading them after school, but I'm like a lot happier with
37:22
this stuff we're working on. So, would it, would it be fair
37:25
to say? It's urgent, integer, but
37:27
obviously you mentioned there that you were having to do a lot
37:30
of writing via zoom and stuff. It sounds like obviously that's
37:33
quite tricky to do and now you're physically together.
37:35
So it's would you say it's just Made it a lot easier to be
37:39
physically together versus like doing online and stuff to go.
37:42
For sure. It was absolutely horrified.
37:44
There's this laughter can't help you.
37:46
Tried writing this song called War song.
37:49
It's just a nickname and there's little sneak peek of it on on
37:56
our Instagram. If you saw it online but like it
37:58
was so overworked. There was like I think on the
38:02
Google drivers it's like version 28 or something.
38:07
It was like the first First time, we're like probably
38:09
probably working over there and completely scrapped it, I mean,
38:13
it's completed song. It just is not good, it's
38:17
overworked, it's just too much going on.
38:19
And the second son we did was all behind.
38:23
That was a song. I wrote in like, 10 minutes
38:25
because I forgot, Tom asked me to write a song and I was like,
38:28
and I was like, shit. I need to write a song, so it's
38:30
wrote that and then that's one of my favorites that we've done,
38:35
and yeah. Yeah, that one was a little
38:40
better. How would you describe Barrera
38:42
sound 21? I think now, because, I mean, I
38:49
feel bad because a lot of people haven't heard like what we're
38:51
hearing now. It's kind of, I would say it's
38:53
kind of like an improved version of the songs, like, all
38:57
sincerity or behind are more like, I can't remember, like,
39:01
all the limbs, but something happened.
39:02
Sorry, like are more rough surface, like a more defined and
39:07
I guess develop. I should've died.
39:08
Sounds a lot cleaner and more professional.
39:12
I mean, I don't think that I'm sounded too bad, but Tom's
39:17
improved his production a lot in it.
39:19
He said that it sounds really cool but I would probably
39:23
describe us as like just because it's such a broad thing to call
39:28
us old rock. Like it can mean so many things.
39:31
So I like to say, oh look, just because it gives us room to move
39:35
around like we have some fast songs and likes.
39:38
Slower like acoustic piano, very kind of stereo Tevin, kind of
39:41
vibe something that we're working on.
39:43
I mean I don't think the rest of the band would describe like
39:46
that but I would yeah. Like I just like being able to
39:51
have that kind of space to play around not just being like Oh
39:54
yeah where this Indie band that does sound like music like this
39:59
body but it's just so restricting.
40:00
Old lockers broaden perfect ideas.
40:05
Yeah, don't undersell yourself for sure.
40:09
Is there any particular artists that you'd say, you kind of
40:11
sound similar to like, I know that can be annoying.
40:13
Sometimes as a question Mosel, I probably I think, I don't know,
40:21
similar to, I know we take a people know that we take
40:23
inspiration from Pink, Floyd answers, all of our like part
40:26
for my drama, he loves total dominance, Toto, which is good.
40:30
They have an amazing summer but we all like, Pink, Floyd and you
40:35
can hear that in like little things like me, Maybe some of
40:38
the chords I use like certain bits and solos like base and
40:43
maybe not base. James's strange about base.
40:47
It's like just yeah Pink Floyd kind of not really.
40:52
I don't really know what we sound like.
40:54
Honestly still figuring it out. I got it.
40:56
Yeah yes still figuring out. We kind of just want to sound
41:00
unique I guess because there's so many bands, you don't want
41:03
to, we don't want to. You can never have like another
41:07
Pink Floyd as well. Obviously.
41:08
So, you know, it's just trying to work around that, I'll be a
41:14
moment when it clicks. Like, I remember when my first
41:16
band we were to give a about three years and even when we
41:22
recorded our only EP, it was like a six-song EP.
41:26
After that, that kind of in our third year of being together, a
41:30
third and final year, that was the year.
41:32
We actually started writing music that.
41:34
Yeah, I would say would like if we continued, that would have
41:37
been the Section. So we started as kind of a
41:40
contemporary thrash metal band and then it became
41:44
post-hardcore. I know, none of us planned for
41:46
that. It just kind of made sense.
41:47
That was so that was a lot of what our lead guitarist
41:49
resisting to. I had some interest in it it
41:53
worked with what we were trying to achieve.
41:55
It just kind of naturally went that way.
41:57
So my point to you is I think that they'll be a moment.
42:00
It'll be maybe a particular song maybe a particular record you
42:03
right and you'll be like this is it this is our sound like every
42:06
record is obviously going to sound different.
42:08
Friend. But there will always be that
42:10
kind of light unique thread that kind of Link's it all.
42:13
And that's the brera sound kind of thing.
42:17
You know, I see what you mean. It'll happen.
42:20
It'll be a fun moment of epiphany is wake up, on mine, in
42:24
your life, sit, he's waiting. For, is there any story behind
42:32
the band name? Oh yeah.
42:34
It's really lame. Okay, it's okay, if we get one,
42:38
Like naturally, we get also quite.
42:39
So, I'm going to move my mic, this.
42:41
Have it balanced on my glass because my microfiber and yeah,
42:45
basically. So after me and Tom worked on,
42:48
can't help her. Like, oh, we should release this
42:51
and it was, it was like, not, we hadn't worked, so probably
42:55
because it was like, a really shitty version of can't help but
42:58
hadn't had plans drums, and Hannah James is, because they
43:01
weren't really a part of the band.
43:05
And we're all working station. And we said to James because
43:09
James was in another band of the time and he was like, we're
43:12
like, oh, you wanna play some bass for us?
43:14
He was like, yeah, go on, you know, might as well.
43:16
And now he's probably one of the most involved people in the band
43:19
has some writing. I think we all are now.
43:22
I think it was mainly me at the start, but I think the boys have
43:26
a bit more confident. With showing things will have,
43:28
you know? But yeah.
43:31
So we asked James and we asked plan.
43:32
We're like, right, if we are And we need to make an Instagram
43:36
account. We, we we feel.
43:38
This is such a great idea until we realize we don't even have a
43:41
band name. So, real, like the god, that we
43:47
need to, we need to make this. So I made a, I was like, I came
43:53
up with like, five random words, literally just random words,
43:58
like thought sounded cool. Yeah, I'm not like surprisingly.
44:03
Four out of those five were already bands.
44:06
Like what about big bands? Like tool is a perfect example
44:12
but how did they distinct? Let's cool our band Tool.
44:16
Yeah I like that. Yeah that's hilarious.
44:19
Base is a cool name but he's literally just like I've had so
44:23
many stupid names like that before over the years like where
44:26
it says you just one word. Ya know what this is like Yeah,
44:35
yes, ever, like forever is I guess, and then I made, I made a
44:40
tick, tock me, and I'll go follow us.
44:42
And I remember like, in like a month, we got 1,000 followers
44:48
and we were like, oh, this is so cool.
44:49
We should use take up more. That's kind of where the tick
44:52
tock thinking from us, like, I made a tick tock on my personal
44:54
promoting and I was like this actually works.
44:57
So yeah, we continue to do. So I need to be posting more
45:00
about it than I haven't since we've Been busy writing.
45:04
I haven't been promoting legislation and it kind of
45:07
shows. So, but just just ask again like
45:10
so that the name actually came as a kind of result of just mix
45:14
in a bunch of different words and it was like, right.
45:15
Like literally just came out with a random word.
45:18
I thought was gibberish but apparently means barrier in
45:21
Spanish. I don't know barrier.
45:23
Yeah, looking at like, you know, like, you know, like how in
45:26
school English teachers are like our own this part of show
45:29
experiments by the planet reflects?
45:31
Yeah, people are gonna like when I Vote Sun's Rays.
45:34
Think people are going to do that in the future or something
45:37
so when our it means it means barrier, that's deep.
45:39
That's like represents that the barriers that they're facing and
45:43
societies that know. We just we were just randomly
45:47
like for long. Yeah.
45:52
Cool. Okay.
45:54
Yeah. You touched on it a little bit
45:56
in that speech there but I want to just explore.
45:58
It's a bit more. What is the actual band Dynamic?
46:00
Like as far as like, is there like a particularly Leader.
46:04
Or how does it? How does that kind of work with
46:07
you guys? And I mean, I do not know.
46:11
I think people kind of assume that I am like, in control of
46:14
certain things. No, I do social media.
46:18
I think guitarist Tom, he kind of like managers Us in the sense
46:25
of like, making sure we're all doing, what we need to be doing
46:27
because you kind of need someone to do that.
46:30
And yeah, that's how I describe it.
46:32
It's not really. Is not really someone in control
46:35
but like Tom is always just making sure that we're doing
46:39
what we need to be doing. Okay.
46:41
And the songwriting process took us through like how you tend to
46:45
write a song? Like it is it is it yourself or
46:48
do you sort of come together as a band and jam it out just a
46:50
little bit about that. So we all start off with writing
46:54
songs individually and then we go and generally are jamming out
46:58
for the like I start. I start off with cool chords.
47:02
I think it's Uncle. And then like try layering some
47:06
stuff up and then hand it over the band to add the spice to it
47:13
just indeed. Okay, good stuff, good stuff.
47:18
Let's, let's move it on to tick tock so you have a fuge
47:23
following on Tick. Tock last count.
47:26
It was 100 over, 100 1000. I'm sure it's actually grown
47:30
since then but ya know. How many how many you one now?
47:39
You got two accounts as well or three posted.
47:43
Like it works for a little bit then I just I've been focusing
47:46
on music more than promoting. I need to snap out of that bit
47:50
but yeah, I'm on 175,000 blimey. So I did my initial research on
47:56
you. Let me see a month or so ago and
48:00
that's that's gone up like for you. 5,000.
48:04
In that time, I did not really. Yeah, right battling.
48:08
I didn't know. I'm not really do aware of that.
48:11
There you go. There you go.
48:13
I mean, it makes sense, you know, we discussed earlier with
48:16
your unique interests and personal style and all that.
48:20
So it makes sense in that it with regards to that.
48:25
But at what moment did it kind of like start skyrocketing like
48:30
when did it kind of just go? Whoop.
48:33
Um, probably over lockdown. I like I have been doing take to
48:38
perform like three years now. Just making some confused.
48:42
And then like over the lock down the first lap down, I like start
48:44
making like retro Style videos and everyone was like that's
48:47
pretty snazzy. That's when it kind of did what
48:51
and then like I don't think many people know this like probably
48:55
During about like the second look down I took a bit of a
48:57
break because I kind of I kind of wasn't into it as much and I
49:03
was also living with my boyfriend over that so I
49:06
couldn't really make any cool whatever.
49:09
I mean because I mean the main attraction is my most of the
49:13
time. But yeah.
49:16
So I and then I like got back into it and I remember like I
49:20
like spent a lot of time like trying to like bring it back
49:24
because like normally would Tick Tock you gonna break, and that's
49:27
it. No one cares anymore.
49:29
But at that point I had 97,000 and then I started making videos
49:34
again. One of them blew up which took
49:36
me over to 100K and then then I just kept going.
49:41
Now, it's back. I've something like, I know
49:44
everyone always likes the term Shadow band.
49:48
I've never experienced anything like that, really?
49:51
I think, and I Everyone likes to Shadow Bible.
49:56
Honestly, what I think it is is just interaction drops.
50:00
Yeah, naturally like, you know, I don't think Tick-Tock I'm
50:04
going to individually go out and Shadow Badness.
50:06
Funny people, I think, what happens, more likely, this is
50:10
what I've experienced as well. Your videos get randomly pushed
50:14
like, what I've noticed with mine is that when I first posted
50:17
videos, they get nothing for like 7 hours and then right in
50:23
the evening time, boom. Randomly start getting views and
50:27
sometimes that will happen like two weeks later after they've
50:29
been pushed as well, initially. Yeah, I think the prime time for
50:34
web, people are active in the US for us.
50:37
In the UK is 10:00 is 10, 11 ish, when people who have start
50:43
looking to, like I'll post a video and it'll get like, I
50:45
don't know, seven thousand years from like my UK audience.
50:49
And then, I wake up and it has like, 14k.
50:52
Yeah, yes. Just one like people.
50:55
U.s. looking and that's the thing that happens on every
50:57
platform. I've been doing this with
50:58
YouTube shorts and it's the exact same thing.
51:01
Always happens. Even in time just randomly and
51:06
it's gonna, it's really cool but it's like very telling.
51:09
I think it's it's very split like most of the people that
51:12
dropped by my lives and stuff our UK audience, you do get a
51:16
lot of an international audience but typically that's most where
51:19
most people are from. But as you said I don't those
51:21
views that I think the majority of them are coming unless it's
51:24
something. Very specific to the UK in some
51:27
shape or form, then it's, yeah, yeah, I agree with you.
51:32
I don't think that shadow band thing is legit, then there's so
51:35
many people have experienced it. Like, I just, and the same.
51:39
Remember, I know I remember when people like saying, oh, I know
51:46
that you've used to drop when you do the Creative fun because
51:49
it's like written in there, but I remember it was like,
51:51
happening to like everyone was saying, oh my Use a completely
51:56
gone down and the pump. The reason for that was because
51:59
when they opened the Creator fund, encouraged people to
52:03
create content so much more. Those overfunded like you,
52:06
there's too much content compared to like my videos when
52:09
I wasn't in the created one, like, for a, maybe a month, they
52:13
weren't getting is bigger reach as they would normally, it's
52:16
literally just because there wasn't like enough content, go
52:20
to them to post that everyone, it's just like that's and it's
52:24
such a logical. Cool answers.
52:25
Well, but that makes so much sense.
52:27
But people are all jumping to these conspiracies.
52:30
Like it's just how social like especially technologists, how it
52:34
works? Yes.
52:35
How it's going to work. Yeah.
52:37
And people need to see the bigger picture as well right
52:39
now. For instance, you're trying to
52:41
leverage it to create a following for your band.
52:44
You know, that you got plans outside of it, you're not just
52:46
like focused on this one thing. Same for me, I've got a YouTube
52:49
channel. I've got music acting all these
52:52
different exploits outside of what I do.
52:55
Don't always know that. They just think our, he's just
52:57
messing around on Tick-Tock or whatever, but no, I have a plan.
53:00
And I'm building a brand, have a website, blah, blah, blah, blah,
53:02
blah, right? And that's the way you got to
53:04
look at these things long-term to really use it in an effective
53:07
manner. A lot of the time when people
53:09
get big on one of these platforms, they don't know what
53:11
to do with it afterwards, you know.
53:13
And it's like you got to start thinking about building that
53:16
brand that's the most important thing I think, you know, I
53:19
agree. So moving it forward, this is
53:24
interesting. Question.
53:26
I was off my guests. This What's the biggest life
53:30
lesson that you've learned so far?
53:35
I don't know, this is going to sound like really emo Neji, but
53:39
I remember saying my boyfriend told me his have zero standards
53:43
for everyone. So then you'll never disappoint
53:45
never disappointed and it makes sense.
53:49
It really makes sense. Yeah, I think that's a good one
53:55
to have. Despite like I don't have like
53:57
people are people and take took assume.
54:00
I have lots of friends. I really don't.
54:02
Like I don't have like I don't know.
54:05
This, this may be like, surprising.
54:06
I don't have like a female, like, best friend kind of thing.
54:10
I have friends, who are female, but I don't hang out with them.
54:13
The only people I really hang out with the band and I'd
54:18
actually no, I do have like, I have a friend that is catching
54:22
up with the way to go to school with recently, but yeah, no, I'm
54:26
mainly just hang out with band. I don't really talk to many
54:29
people just also because I'm quite socially awkward.
54:32
Yeah, honestly. That's People people.
54:35
So message me being like, how do I be confident?
54:37
I'm like, I don't know. Yeah asking me this a move many
54:41
people assume that I'm really extroverted no on the contrary,
54:45
I never start conversations. You never see me.
54:47
Starting the conversation and less.
54:48
I'm very comfortable with the person.
54:51
I'm very comfortable being alone.
54:53
I'm very I like that very quiet, but I think it's different,
54:57
isn't it? When you're talking to a camera
54:59
when you're doing stuff online and I can be confident in what
55:03
they call, Like an Omniverse on both?
55:06
Yeah, I I steer more towards introvert and I think that
55:11
confidence is relative. I think it depends on the
55:13
company or with, you know, really, but you know that
55:18
there's nothing wrong with being quiet and being more
55:20
introverted. I think that's that's always
55:22
been Implied as being like, a sort of a weakness and I think
55:26
that's, that's wrong. That's not true.
55:28
I think it's just different taste.
55:29
Some people are more, you know, they prefer being loud and
55:32
talking to lots of people other people enjoy being quiet and
55:35
alone and I think that you just have to embrace both sides and
55:39
you know try and understand people have a better.
55:43
Yeah, I see. All right.
55:46
Well listen it's been a fantastic interview.
55:49
So thank you very much for the great idea.
55:53
Got one final question. Do you have any upcoming
55:57
projects or final thoughts that you'd like to share with us?
56:02
I VI. I mean I'd like and I really
56:04
have many upcoming projects other than working on music with
56:07
bad but I think the one thing I know, it's really cheesy but
56:12
like the one thing I would say to people is, even though it,
56:15
like doesn't quite look into each other's eyes.
56:16
And like, I always say to people, to just be themselves,
56:19
even if you get called, also, again, like a poser of sad
56:26
people. I agree.
56:28
Yeah, you, you know who you are. I miss the most Important thing
56:32
and like, you know, the right people work knowledge that you
56:35
know I'm sure I'm sure you get a lot of this as well.
56:38
I got a lot of hate online. Yeah, yeah.
56:42
I get mainly from like when I like made a video, I make videos
56:48
of me like playing guitar and there's always these really
56:50
annoying ND, boys. I like you should use this tone
56:54
on Bali but I'm like, I just plugged it into my guitar.
56:56
I, if I wanted to, I could spend like 15 minutes making my guitar
57:01
time, really. Good and I'm not incompetent.
57:03
I know that one of my like when if I go Soviet start like a
57:08
video and they're like, oh, you need to get new strings, I know
57:11
I'm just broke. Okay, I know I need to get new
57:15
strings it's like yeah I think it's just music can be really
57:20
challenging pulled. It filled with Georgie it's just
57:22
how that's just life. There's always going to be
57:24
someone being pants as I like to say.
57:30
It's just like I even like I'm in by made this, I think you
57:34
might've seen. I made a video a couple days ago
57:37
which was like responding to this woman.
57:38
That was like, oh, I'll bet he'll women is disgusting and
57:41
like by blah and like when I made that video I only cared
57:45
about it for a solid, ten minutes.
57:46
And I was like a I made a funny. I thought the video was quite
57:50
funny. People were taking it way too
57:51
seriously. Like I don't actually care about
57:54
her opinion that much at all. Like I just don't like it when
57:57
people like like body saying other people.
58:01
Essays mad. It's not like I did a video the
58:04
other day where basically, I didn't receive this Burger, King
58:08
I ordered on my birthday, right? And yeah, I was a bit pissed at
58:12
the time, but then I was just like whatever.
58:14
But, like, literally people went crazy and my comments and then
58:19
that they're like, you know, there was like full-on argument.
58:22
So at the, some I'm above some girl, said, old first world
58:25
problems or something. And she's trying to be like
58:26
edgy, and then she just got tapped mercilessly by people.
58:30
It is like, it's like that's just like Just taking the piss
58:32
better than as in like. Yeah, it kind of is but it's
58:36
like, you know, you still allowed to like, show you.
58:39
You can complain. Yeah.
58:40
Like it sucked for me because you know, I didn't have dinner
58:42
that night. I just had to have some snack or
58:45
something but it wasn't the end of the world.
58:46
Yeah. No.
58:48
But yeah, it's funny how people think that like your you really
58:51
care? Like you said like your movies
58:53
since that night. I don't care.
58:54
I don't think about this after I posted it on just like, move on
58:57
to the next thing. Yeah, it's like like with the
58:59
video when I was like calling that girl.
59:01
A pygmy. The only reason I called her
59:02
pick me is because she also made loads of videos.
59:04
I stalked her on a page. She also made loads of videos
59:07
about liking political boys. That's why I said their mail,
59:10
validation thing and because I know also because it's funny, I
59:14
wasn't being that seriously. I remember people automatically
59:18
assumed that because I made that video, I don't shave my armpit,
59:22
which I do. Like the whole point of it was,
59:25
I don't like people judging like, you know, body shaming.
59:29
Like I'd never even said that I did anything.
59:31
I was just the whole video is like just let people live like,
59:35
who care is honestly, who cares? You know, it's just what it's a
59:40
weird world that people people having full on debates about
59:43
armpit her. And I'm like, people are dying.
59:46
But, you know, this is this is the one I just which I mean it's
59:50
that is completely hypocritical of me because I did make the
59:52
video in the air at the end of the day.
59:54
But like, I me being the massive hypocrite.
59:57
I am. I just decided I don't care
59:58
about it after two days. And I also I was like, Saying
1:00:02
else. Like, I was actually getting a
1:00:04
lot of hate because it's Apple. It's technically a political
1:00:06
view even though I don't really have many political viewed, and
1:00:10
I would turn the comments of but I completely agree with like
1:00:12
freedom of speech. Yeah.
1:00:14
So people are allowed to have those debates.
1:00:16
I don't care, you know. But yeah, my little standpoint.
1:00:22
I agree with you. Yeah, just want to say again a
1:00:26
massive, thank you very much on the show.
1:00:29
It's been, it's been awesome. Say to all my listeners of
1:00:33
Christian we've podcast make sure to go and check out Isabel.
1:00:36
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