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Credlin | 5 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peto Krandland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welbury to the show Steep Price with You Tonight.
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Speaker 2: Peter will be back on the desk on Monday next week.
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Speaker 2: Now on today, when the conflict in Iran went to
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Speaker 2: the threatened next level. Here's what's coming up on the
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Speaker 2: show this evening. Defense experts join us as the US
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Speaker 2: uses an attack submarine to take out an Iranian warship
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Speaker 2: off Sri Lanka and armed Kurds cross into Iran from Iraq.
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Speaker 2: Former Australian Major General Gus McLoughlin will join us to
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Speaker 2: discuss where this will go next. Also tonight, in another
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Speaker 2: worrying development, NATO member Turkey is fired upon with a
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Speaker 2: ballistic missile. With a warning from Turkey it must not
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Speaker 2: happen again. Doctor Malcolm Davis from the Australian Strategic Policy
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Speaker 2: Institute on whether the wider NATO alliance might now be
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Speaker 2: drawn into the conflict. In domestic politics, Canadian Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Mark Karney addressed the Australian Parliament today looking about alliances
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Speaker 2: of so called middle power countries like and Australia. I'll
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Speaker 2: talk to our panel about what he actually said and
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Speaker 2: what he actually means, and we'll go live to Israel,
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Speaker 2: where News Corps European chief and Sky News contributor Sophie
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Speaker 2: Ellsworth has now based herself. She'll talk about the mood
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Speaker 2: in Israel, the number of returning Australians being flown out
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Speaker 2: of Dubai, where I'm told another four hundred a due
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Speaker 2: back late tonight into Melbourne. First up, though, as the Americans,
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Speaker 2: from Donald Trump to Marco Rubio and Pete Hesket promised
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Speaker 2: the operation to beahederan of its murderous leadership, including the
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Speaker 2: AATOLLA destroyed its nuclear program and bomb missile launch sites
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Speaker 2: and storage bunkers, has gone today on Day five, to
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Speaker 2: a whole new level. Main developments include that first submarine
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Speaker 2: torpedo attacked by the US Navy since World War II,
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Speaker 2: taking out an Iranian warship and an estimated death of
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Speaker 2: eighty sailors. Tari plane shot down an Iranian bomber shot
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Speaker 2: it out of the sky, with the Iranians minutes from
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Speaker 2: attacking the largest US military base in the Middle East,
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Speaker 2: and Donald Trump claiming Iran was as close as two
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Speaker 2: weeks away from getting a nuclear weapon if we.
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Speaker 3: Didn't hit within two weeks. They would have had a
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Speaker 3: nuclear weapon. If we didn't do the B two attack
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Speaker 3: a number of months ago, they would have a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 3: It's a complete obliteration of their nuclear potential and that
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Speaker 3: set them back very, very seriously. Somebody said, on a
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Speaker 3: scale of ten, where would you're ready? I said about
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Speaker 3: a fifteen.
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Speaker 2: And the Pentagon chief boasting quote, America is winning the war.
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Speaker 4: And we're four days in, one hundred and three hours
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Speaker 4: into this campaign. The operation was again launched with clear
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Speaker 4: military objectives designed to dismantle Iran's ability to project power
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Speaker 4: outside of its borders, both today and in the future.
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Speaker 2: Politically, the US Senate voted fifty three to four twenty
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Speaker 2: seven to back President Trump's war. That's a bid to
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Speaker 2: block Congress who could apply pressure to limit the action.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday it was Secretary of State Marco Rubio running defense
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Speaker 2: for the US Israel attack. Well, today it was the
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Speaker 2: Secretary for War Pete Hesketh and White House Press Secretary
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Speaker 2: Caroline Levitt. Hesketh, obviously annoyed at media questioning the timing
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Speaker 2: and motivations for the joint attack, made the point Iran
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Speaker 2: had not once but twice tried to assassinate Donald Trump.
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Speaker 5: The leader of the unit who attempted to assassinate President
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Speaker 5: Trump has been hunted down and killed. Iran tried to
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Speaker 5: kill President Trump, and President Trump got the last laugh.
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Speaker 2: Hesketh also gave a detailed update on the operation's military
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Speaker 2: successes so far.
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Speaker 5: They are toast and they know it, or at least
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Speaker 5: soon enough they will know it. And we have only
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Speaker 5: just begun to hunt, dismantle, demoralize, destroy, and defeat their capabilities.
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Speaker 4: Just four days in.
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Speaker 2: Press Secretary Levitt was forced to defend claims with the
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Speaker 2: denial that the US was responsible for a strike on
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Speaker 2: a school that claimed the lives of one hundred and
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Speaker 2: sixty five people.
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Speaker 6: Did the United States aristrokat girls at elementary school and
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Speaker 6: kill one hundred and.
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Speaker 7: Seventy five people, Not that we know of, Sean and
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Speaker 7: the Department of War is investigating this matter. And I
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Speaker 7: would just tell you very strongly, the United States of
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Speaker 7: America does not target civilians, unlike the rogue Iranian regime
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Speaker 7: that targets civilians, that kills children, that has killed thousands
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Speaker 7: of their own people in the past several weeks.
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Speaker 2: And impressive is she While back at home, a retrieval
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Speaker 2: of trapped Australians by commercial carrier Emirates saw two hundred
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Speaker 2: odd Australians back in Sydney with great relief and reports,
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Speaker 2: as I said in a three eighty with four hundred
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Speaker 2: people on board, is due to land in Melbourne tonight.
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Speaker 2: And as the debate on the left, especially for the
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Speaker 2: Greens here who are disgraceful, argue this war is illegal, illegitimate.
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Speaker 2: A little known Victorian Federal Labour senator, a little known
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Speaker 2: to me at least, Senator raph Chaconi defended the attacks
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Speaker 2: against the Iranian regime and backed Labor. Local Labour's support
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Speaker 2: for it was a moment of moral clarity.
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Speaker 8: Yet what we have seen this week from the Australian
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Speaker 8: Greens and prominent voices who rush to condemn Australia for
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Speaker 8: supporting action, claiming international law has been violated. This is
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Speaker 8: naked hypocrisy that undermines our nation and its values. We
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Speaker 8: have lost our moral compass. What is truly political is
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Speaker 8: neutrality in the face of evil.
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Speaker 2: Quite remarkable coming from a Labour senator. Now this operation
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Speaker 2: is clearly not going to be quick, but the determination
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Speaker 2: from the White House and the Esset in Israel is
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Speaker 2: very clear they intend to wipe out Iran's military capability
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Speaker 2: and new to their leaders assuring the world that the
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Speaker 2: nuclear threat is no more. As Senator Chaconi put it,
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Speaker 2: what is truly political is neutrality in the face of evil,
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Speaker 2: well said, It's said to Cameron Now for tonight's political Headlines,
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Speaker 2: which Sky News political reporter cam ridden.
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Speaker 9: Good evening, Canada's Prime Minister has delivered an addressed to
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Speaker 9: the Australian Parliament rallying support for greater cooperation of middle
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Speaker 9: powers in the face of less predictable superpowers.
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Speaker 10: Country that can't feed itself, fuel itself, or defend itself
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Speaker 10: has few options.
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Speaker 9: As the United States and China compete for dominance. He argues,
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Speaker 9: nations like Canada and Australia face a choice.
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Speaker 10: Whether we establish the conventions and help rate the new
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Speaker 10: rules that will determine our security and prosperity, or let
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Speaker 10: the Hedgeman's dictate outcomes.
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Speaker 9: Counterbalancing the influence of President Trump has defined and Mark
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Speaker 9: Carney's time as leader.
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Speaker 11: Canadian rebels with bold ideas have always been welcome here
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Speaker 11: in Australia.
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Speaker 9: The first planeload of Australians has arrived home from the
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Speaker 9: UAE after becoming court in the Middle East conflict.
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Speaker 5: It is absolutely good to be home, especially the actual
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Speaker 5: first player out of Dubais straight to here was fantastic.
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Speaker 10: Safe, Happy back to my family.
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Speaker 9: Back in Parliament, a date has been set for the
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Speaker 9: Pharah by election to replace Susan Lee.
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Speaker 12: Data polling Saturday, nine May twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 9: That's just three days before the budget. Cameron Reddin's Sky
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Speaker 9: News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Cam. Interesting timing, by the way, on the Farah
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Speaker 2: by election three days before the budget. That would suggest
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Speaker 2: to me that the budget's not going to be very
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Speaker 2: friendly to any of us. All Right, it's get stuck
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Speaker 2: into it. My first panel tonight, Deputy Executive Director of
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Speaker 2: the Due to Public Affairs Daniel Wild and Sky contributor
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Speaker 2: Cararily Kats and Barus. I want to start by playing
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Speaker 2: for you a line from the Canadian Prime Minister Mark Cantey.
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Speaker 2: We saw him there. He was addressing Federal Parliament today.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at this.
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Speaker 10: When the rules no longer protect you, you must defend yourself.
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Speaker 10: Country that can't feed itself, fuel itself, or defend itself
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Speaker 10: as few options now.
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Speaker 2: Daniel, I wonder if the Defense Minister Richard Marles, the
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Speaker 2: Energy Minister Chris Bowen was sitting there squirming in their seats.
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Speaker 2: Given Australia can't fuel itself, can't defend ourselves, or do
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Speaker 2: they just remain in ignorant denial.
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Speaker 12: Well, we're also losing our ability to feed ourselves because
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Speaker 12: we've got wind turbines and solar panels going up in
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Speaker 12: prime agricultural land and we could become a food importer
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Speaker 12: rather than an exporter in years to come. And look,
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Speaker 12: you look at Canada and it's been extraordinary on two things.
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Speaker 12: They've dramatically cut immigration into their country. As a matter
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Speaker 12: of fact, for a three month period last year, their
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Speaker 12: total population went backwards by seventy six thousand people. Immigrants
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Speaker 12: went down, the total population went down. The sky didn't
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Speaker 12: fall in, the economy didn't collapse, things kept going on
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Speaker 12: perfectly fine. They've also done a u turn on the
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Speaker 12: obsession with net zero. Now this is a big deal
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Speaker 12: because Mark Carney was called Carbon Tax Karne for a reason.
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Speaker 12: He was the chief advocate of those policies. But they've
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Speaker 12: dubbed the carbon tax. They've removed the damaging mandate to
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Speaker 12: have twenty percent of vehicles to be electric. So they're
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Speaker 12: actually moving away from sensible politics, absolutely sensible and this
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Speaker 12: is from a very left wing leader and a left
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Speaker 12: wing government. So you know, I imagine we had a
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Speaker 12: bit of a dose of that here in Australia. But
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Speaker 12: as you suggest, I'm not holding my breath.
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Speaker 2: Caroly, I hope we didn't see Chris Bowen talking to
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Karney, or if he did, did he ask
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Speaker 2: Karne how Canada's seventeen yes, I said seventeen nuclear reactors
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Speaker 2: were going? Or how Canada's investment in small modular nuclear reactors?
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Speaker 2: Remember them from the election campaign? You know where Alba's
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Speaker 2: an easy in charmers and everyone else in labor laughed
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Speaker 2: at the idea that we would go nuclear. I mean,
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Speaker 2: what full these people are?
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Speaker 13: Well, look, they definitely are. And the thing is Carne,
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Speaker 13: as you say, very left wing, being sensible, but he's
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Speaker 13: actually pivoted Canada away from its closest neighbor, America. I
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Speaker 13: don't like when he says Australia and Canada should be
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Speaker 13: rewriting and doing a new international world order. What they
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Speaker 13: need to realize is who's writing the international world order
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Speaker 13: as well? Wasn't that long ago. We're not all that
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Speaker 13: old Cold War. You know, who does the international world
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Speaker 13: order Nigeria, Iran, North Korea or that they need to
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Speaker 13: wake up and realize that Iran is the axis of
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Speaker 13: evil and it is now a fight for Western civilization.
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Speaker 13: It's been the most prosperous time in modern history and
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Speaker 13: that is about to be It's being destroyed. It's all
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Speaker 13: just words saying we need a new international order.
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Speaker 14: No we don't.
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Speaker 13: You actually need to look at what Trump is doing
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Speaker 13: and realize that he's actually on the right path.
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Speaker 2: Daniel, ever got any hope that Albany you will talk
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Speaker 2: to Carney and so mate, we've said no to nuclear.
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Speaker 2: You've got a lot of them. How your energy price
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Speaker 2: is going, how's your reliable energy? I mean it would
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Speaker 2: make sense, wouldn't it. I mean you have to be
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Speaker 2: a big person to admit you're wrong.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, and that's why it's not going to happen here sadly.
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Speaker 12: But you know, the interesting thing about Australia is historically
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Speaker 12: we haven't needed nuclear because we had a ton of coal.
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Speaker 14: That's why we never went ahead with nuclear.
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Speaker 12: Now, the number one problem is that successive governments on
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Speaker 12: both side of politics has got to be said, have
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Speaker 12: undermined the case for coal firepower and the case for
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Speaker 12: nuclear sadly has gone backwards after the coalition bungled the
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Speaker 12: last election. So I don't think there's going to be
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Speaker 12: a U turn on that here. But you make a
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Speaker 12: very good point. Surely Carne's taking him to a side
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Speaker 12: and saying, mate, come on, get some base low power
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Speaker 12: in your system.
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Speaker 2: Otherwise you're going to not decarbonize your economy, You're going
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Speaker 2: to destroy it. I mean, that's going to be the
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Speaker 2: problem's stick with the Canadian PM. He was questioned at
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Speaker 2: that joint press conference today about he's now calling for
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Speaker 2: a de escalation in the Iranian war.
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Speaker 15: Here, you're calling for de escalation of hostilities in Iran.
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Speaker 15: Your comments at the Institute last night acknowledged there was
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Speaker 15: some predictability that this conflict would be widening besides the
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Speaker 15: initial strike. So if that was your logic from the outset,
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Speaker 15: why in your first statement did you not call for
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Speaker 15: any kind of de.
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Speaker 10: Escalation because it was the very look, it was the
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Speaker 10: very beginning.
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Speaker 15: How can you have it both ways? How can you
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Speaker 15: say you anitued? You understand your first statement you said
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Speaker 15: was made in hours. But you also said there was
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Speaker 15: some predictability, you knew this was going to widen. How
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Speaker 15: can you have it both ways? And in hindsight, should
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Speaker 15: you have called for de escalation in that first statement.
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Speaker 10: No, now that the conflict has moved on, now that
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Speaker 10: the conflict is involving wider a much wider group. But
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Speaker 10: even if, I don't want to say even if, but
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Speaker 10: moving into the Gulf, moving into civilian infrastructure, We're saying
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Speaker 10: a few things. One it is it's sorely the decision
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Speaker 10: of the principal belligerents to move to the de escalation.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I understood the question or the answer.
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Speaker 13: No, No, I didn't either. And the thing is, as
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Speaker 13: Marco Rubio, as Trump has said, someone had to do it.
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Speaker 13: They've got to go and finish the job and get
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Speaker 13: the job done. I mean, as I said, we always
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Speaker 13: see these protesters protesting about everything, the Iranian people, the
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Speaker 13: iotola murdering thousands of those people. As Trump said in
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Speaker 13: that great eight minute speech on truth social on Saturday night,
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Speaker 13: this is the opportunity in generations to actually control the
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Speaker 13: narrative and actually bring democracy and read this, I mean,
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Speaker 13: this is a prehistoric regime's disgraceful.
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Speaker 2: That was a typical response from a left leaning labor politician,
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Speaker 2: wasn't it.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 12: I actually liked the question from the journalist the least
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Speaker 12: she was sort of giving done a mean but you
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Speaker 12: never see that from an ABC journalists.
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Speaker 14: At least you was sort of putting it to him
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Speaker 14: a bit so.
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Speaker 12: But I think you know, when you talk about de escalation,
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Speaker 12: I my fear in the Iran situation. I agree with
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Speaker 12: what you've said, Caroly, but it's always the question of
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Speaker 12: what comes next. So getting rid of the eye Toller
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Speaker 12: good thing. But sometimes what comes next is unpredictable and
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Speaker 12: more volatile than what was there to begin with, and
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Speaker 12: that doesn't justify the original regime.
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Speaker 14: But this is what sort of happened in Iraq.
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Speaker 12: You get rid of Saddam, you go in there, try
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Speaker 12: to build democracy, doesn't work, and it all ends up
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Speaker 12: being a bit of a met.
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Speaker 2: If you believe Trump there was going to be a
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Speaker 2: nuclear weapon, I mean within two weeks, I find that
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Speaker 2: a little difficult to believe. But let's take him at
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Speaker 2: his word. I mean, whether it's going to be messy
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Speaker 2: after you take the head off of the regime or not.
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Speaker 2: If you've managed to go in and destroy any ambitions
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Speaker 2: they have for nuclear weapons, that's surely a good thing.
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Speaker 12: I agree taking out the nukes was absolutely non negotiable.
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Speaker 12: A nuclear Iran was completely and totally unacceptable. But in
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Speaker 12: terms of what comes next, it's it's entirely unclear as
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Speaker 12: to what that might be. So I understand the course
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Speaker 12: of de escalation, but it's always a question of, well,
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Speaker 12: what does that actually mean in.
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Speaker 2: Let's come back to domestic politics. So watching a question
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Speaker 2: time today because I had no better things to do, obviously,
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Speaker 2: Education Minister Jason Clare got up boasting about the rise
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Speaker 2: in the number of children that are finishing high school.
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Speaker 1: Here is information out this morning shows that the number
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Speaker 1: of kids finishing high school is going back up, the number.
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Speaker 14: Of boys finishing high school is.
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Speaker 1: Going up, the number of girls finishing high school is
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Speaker 1: going up. I think everyone here will remember what happened
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Speaker 1: last time the Liberals were in power, how they ripped
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Speaker 1: the guts out of our public schools, how they ripped
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Speaker 1: thirty billion dollars out of our public schools. And that's
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Speaker 1: when all of this started. We're still dealing with the
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Speaker 1: consequences of it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, go we welcome the numbers obviously, although
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Speaker 2: there is some debate around young boys and school attendance,
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Speaker 2: I think, but what really got me is clear is
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Speaker 2: blaming lower numbers on the Morrison government that hasn't been
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Speaker 2: there since twenty twenty too for a start, and Carallly
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Speaker 2: for you. He ignores the fact that for two years
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Speaker 2: during that Morrison government, COVID schools were shut and schools
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Speaker 2: were actually being run by the state governments that were
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Speaker 2: back then Labor in Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria, South
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Speaker 2: Australia and West Australia.
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Speaker 13: He also forgets that our education system, our results in
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Speaker 13: the international PEASA testing are going backwards. He forgets that
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Speaker 13: school should not be a babysitting service for a lot
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Speaker 13: of young men that are feeling disenfranchised. Hamilt macbeth, they're
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Speaker 13: not for everyone. What he's not talking about is technical
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Speaker 13: schools that could be brought back. And what he's also
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Speaker 13: not talking about and I can say this is a woman,
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Speaker 13: you're both men. He's a man as well. When you
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Speaker 13: start demonizing young Australian boys and men only a few
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Speaker 13: years ago in Warnable in Victoria, twelve year olds were
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Speaker 13: made to stand up and apologize to the female students
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Speaker 13: on behalf of their gender. When you're doing all that
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Speaker 13: type of stuff and doing these leftist policies and demonizing
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Speaker 13: men and young boys, what hope is there for these young.
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Speaker 2: I think, Joeneral, you've got to call out all the
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Speaker 2: time when the now current government goes back on economic figures,
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Speaker 2: education figures, whatever it is, and they just forget the
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Speaker 2: COVID ever existed. When they took a bit debt and spending.
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Speaker 2: They never mentioned, oh well that was during COVID.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Well, you're absolutely bang on, and this is a lot
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Speaker 12: of cherry picking that's going on. I think carrely makes
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Speaker 12: a number of important points that I would just had
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Speaker 12: one observation, which is what they're graduating in high numbers. Great,
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Speaker 12: but what are they learning? Are they coming outside and
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Speaker 12: that what they went in. They're learning a lot of
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Speaker 12: woke in doctrination. Now, Jason Claire says he wants to
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Speaker 12: get patriotism back.
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Speaker 14: In the schools.
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Speaker 12: Great, I'm not holding my breath to actually see it happen.
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Speaker 12: I mean, this is a guy who advocated for racial
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Speaker 12: division in the Voice to Parliament. Now he's pretending he's
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Speaker 12: draping himself in the Australian flag.
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Speaker 2: Is he fair income No, probably not, caroly Dan, appreciate
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Speaker 2: your time. Thank you very much for joining us. All right,
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Speaker 2: joining me now from Tel Aviv in Israel News Corps Australia,
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Speaker 2: European correspondent the Sky News contributor Sophie Ellsworth. Sophie, you've
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Speaker 2: been there now, just on about forty eight hours or so.
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Speaker 2: There have been plenty of alerts in that time, Israeli
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Speaker 2: residents forced into bunkers again to avoid missile texts. How
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Speaker 2: are the local people in Tel Aviv actually holding up?
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Speaker 11: Yeah?
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Speaker 16: Great to be with you, Steve.
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Speaker 17: Look standing down here on the beach front this morning
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Speaker 17: at Tel Aviv. As you can see behind me, it's
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Speaker 17: absolutely glorious and it feels really surreal to be an
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Speaker 17: environment like this that is at war at the moment now.
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Speaker 17: Last night here in Tel Aviv, we had three alerts
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Speaker 17: within the space of about thirty minutes around two three am,
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Speaker 17: so that obviously got everyone up in the night. And
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Speaker 17: it is still very eerie around here, Steve, because down
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Speaker 17: here along the promenade it's normally jam packed. This is
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Speaker 17: one of the most popular parts of tel Aviv. Understandably
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Speaker 17: it's glorious, but this morning there's very few people down here.
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Speaker 17: There's some people behind me playing beach volleyball, some people running,
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Speaker 17: But people here are real. I would say they're just
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Speaker 17: a bit nervous, Steve. They're not sure of what lies ahead,
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Speaker 17: but they're also optimistic.
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Speaker 16: I spoke to a lot.
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Speaker 17: Of locals last night when I arrived here in tel Aviv,
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Speaker 17: and they're hoping that this will be the end of
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Speaker 17: the war with Iran, but many of them are still
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Speaker 17: nervous about the days ahead.
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Speaker 2: We've seen in the past that there has been some
19:23
Speaker 2: resistance from some Israelis, whether it be in Jerusalem or
19:28
Speaker 2: tel Aviv, to what Benabinettnya who did when he responded
19:32
Speaker 2: to the terror attack of October seven and went into Gaza.
19:35
Speaker 2: Is there that same resistance about taking on a nation
19:39
Speaker 2: as huge as Iran ninety three million people, massive country.
19:45
Speaker 17: Not really, I mean, the people I spoke to here
19:48
Speaker 17: on the ground in tel Aviv are very thankful to
19:52
Speaker 17: US President Donald Trump. They said that what they are
19:56
Speaker 17: doing now in this conflict must be done.
19:59
Speaker 16: They have to fight their survival. They sit, they're used
20:01
Speaker 16: to this.
20:02
Speaker 17: You know, this is another war of many that many
20:05
Speaker 17: people here have endured, so this is a repeat situation
20:10
Speaker 17: for them. But they are not really focusing on Benjamin
20:13
Speaker 17: Netanyaho the ones I've spoken to, and I've only been
20:16
Speaker 17: here in Tel Aviv since yesterday afternoon, but they're more
20:19
Speaker 17: focused on what the US is doing and how the
20:22
Speaker 17: US is helping them to try and defeat Araan once
20:25
Speaker 17: and for all.
20:26
Speaker 16: So there is a real sense that people are hopeful,
20:30
Speaker 16: but they're also just complacent.
20:33
Speaker 17: Not complacent, they're just nervous, should I say, Steve, They're
20:36
Speaker 17: just they're not sure of when the next attack will come.
20:39
Speaker 17: Because there's hours Steve, where we don't have any alerts
20:42
Speaker 17: and then suddenly you have alert and you're racing to
20:45
Speaker 17: the nearest bunker or safe room, you know.
20:49
Speaker 16: So tensions are still high here, Steve.
20:53
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the one hundred and fifteen thousand eine
20:55
Speaker 2: Australians that are spread out right across the Middle East,
20:58
Speaker 2: whether it be there in Israel where you are, or
21:00
Speaker 2: in the UAE and other parts of the Middle East.
21:04
Speaker 2: What's the update on the situation for getting those Australian
21:06
Speaker 2: experts out. We had that A three eighty land in
21:09
Speaker 2: Sydney last night, mysteriously from my point of view, only
21:12
Speaker 2: had two hundred people on it. But there's one with
21:15
Speaker 2: four hundred passengers on due in Melbourne tonight. Are there
21:18
Speaker 2: going to be more flights? Do we think.
21:21
Speaker 11: So?
21:22
Speaker 17: The Australian Defense has launched Operation Beach to try and
21:26
Speaker 17: get these Australians home. There's thousands and thousands of Australians
21:31
Speaker 17: here in the Middle East. Twenty four thousand alone, I
21:33
Speaker 17: think was the latest figure I saw over in over
21:38
Speaker 17: in Dubai. So there's people scattered all throughout the Middle East.
21:42
Speaker 17: But Steve, it's very difficult to move around. As you
21:45
Speaker 17: can imagine. It took me two days to get here
21:48
Speaker 17: from London to get in.
21:50
Speaker 16: It's an awful challenge to try and get out. Now.
21:53
Speaker 16: The advice from DEFAT is obviously don't come here.
21:56
Speaker 17: But the advice for those wanting to get out is
21:58
Speaker 17: try and get commercial flight.
22:00
Speaker 16: But Steve, they're just not around.
22:02
Speaker 17: The airports are closed, the airspace is closed, so it's
22:05
Speaker 17: very difficult. I was speaking to some people are here
22:08
Speaker 17: this morning, Americans trying to get home and they're fed
22:10
Speaker 17: up with it.
22:11
Speaker 16: They just can't see a way out.
22:13
Speaker 17: That's how a lot of people feel here who are
22:16
Speaker 17: trying to get out. So they have to be patient, Steve,
22:19
Speaker 17: because it's very difficult to move around. You can't just
22:22
Speaker 17: jump on a flight and get out of here.
22:24
Speaker 16: Clearly it's a difficult challenge.
22:28
Speaker 2: Back in London, the PM Starma just looks weak. I mean,
22:31
Speaker 2: there were comments from Donald Trump, who delivered a rebuke
22:34
Speaker 2: to the UK Prime Minister like only he could. Here's
22:37
Speaker 2: Donald Trump not.
22:39
Speaker 3: Happy with the UK either. This is not Winston Churchill
22:43
Speaker 3: that we're dealing with.
22:47
Speaker 2: Not Winston Churchill. Well, I don't think any of us
22:49
Speaker 2: ever thought he was. But what's been the reaction back
22:51
Speaker 2: in Britain since you were there only a day ago?
22:56
Speaker 17: So, Steve, a lot of the front pages I was
22:58
Speaker 17: looking at this morning in the UK use one word
23:02
Speaker 17: to describe Kirs Starmer and that word is weak. Opposition
23:06
Speaker 17: leader Kemmy Badenoch has come out and called him weak
23:09
Speaker 17: and many of the papers have splashed with that headline. Now,
23:12
Speaker 17: there's a bit of a joke in Britain that Sakias
23:15
Speaker 17: Starmer constantly does U turns. He has one position and
23:19
Speaker 17: then he reverses back and changes his direction, and this
23:23
Speaker 17: seems to be what he does here.
23:24
Speaker 16: All the time, there was criticism that.
23:27
Speaker 17: He wasn't letting the US use his military bases around
23:31
Speaker 17: the region to help fight in this war, and that
23:34
Speaker 17: he was delayed in his response. Now we know that
23:38
Speaker 17: Sakiir Starmer and Donald Trump pretty much have quite a
23:42
Speaker 17: respectable relationship, despite the fact that they're.
23:45
Speaker 16: Very different politically. But that seems to be fracturing at
23:49
Speaker 16: the moment.
23:49
Speaker 17: The Kiirs Starmer is in an awful lot of trouble, Steve,
23:53
Speaker 17: and I don't think he'll be Prime Minister much longer.
23:55
Speaker 17: His tenure is surely on very very rocky ground at
23:59
Speaker 17: the moment.
24:01
Speaker 2: Great work, so stay safe and we'll talk to you
24:03
Speaker 2: again next week. Now, after the break, that jaw dropping
24:05
Speaker 2: footage of the Iranian warship blown out of the water
24:08
Speaker 2: after being struck by a torpedo by the U. S submarine.
24:12
Speaker 2: It's taken this water on a historic new level. We'll
24:15
Speaker 2: talk about those implications after the break. Welcome back to
24:22
Speaker 2: through Price with your pit of credon back on Monday night. Now,
24:25
Speaker 2: I woke up this morning to like you, to the
24:27
Speaker 2: news that an Iranian warship had been sunk by a
24:31
Speaker 2: US submarine, presumably a nuclear submarine with a torpedo. I
24:35
Speaker 2: mean that really for me changed the landscape of this war.
24:38
Speaker 2: That submarine was off Sri Lanka, it was in international waters.
24:41
Speaker 2: Appendagon video that captured the attack showed the warship being
24:45
Speaker 2: hit by a huge explosion which then blew apart the
24:48
Speaker 2: rear of the vessel, lifting it from the water and
24:51
Speaker 2: caused it to begin sinking from the stern. I think
24:54
Speaker 2: there was a loss of about eighty sailors to take
24:57
Speaker 2: us through the ramifications of a move like this, And
24:59
Speaker 2: we spoke to him last night as well, Australian Army
25:01
Speaker 2: Major General Gus macgloughlin, thank you for making yourself available again.
25:05
Speaker 2: Like me, when you woke up this morning, did you go,
25:08
Speaker 2: poor boy? That changes things?
25:11
Speaker 11: I did, Steve. I mean, just since we spoke yesterday,
25:15
Speaker 11: so much has happened. I think the location and the
25:19
Speaker 11: nature of this attack did certainly give me the same
25:24
Speaker 11: feeling that the Iranians did pretty well early in this
25:28
Speaker 11: hostility in this war, Steve, by broadening the size and
25:33
Speaker 11: width of the conflict, they intentionally tried to draw in
25:37
Speaker 11: the Gulf stage. We've even seen a drone launched for Turkey,
25:41
Speaker 11: a NATO member, obviously with the aim of bringing in
25:44
Speaker 11: fact the only Muslim NATO member. I think this is
25:47
Speaker 11: the US Central Command's way of saying that we will
25:52
Speaker 11: control the size and nature of this conflict. This ship
25:56
Speaker 11: might otherwise have either tried to stay out of the
25:58
Speaker 11: war and could be present for a future regime, or
26:02
Speaker 11: might have attempted to come back up into the Gulf.
26:04
Speaker 11: The Americans were not having any of that.
26:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people today reporting and it's the
26:10
Speaker 2: first torpedo attack from a submarine singing a ship since
26:13
Speaker 2: World War Two. You and I Gus Well remember the Belgrano,
26:16
Speaker 2: don't we off the Falklands that the Poms took out
26:19
Speaker 2: with a similar nuclear sub How significant is the escalation
26:23
Speaker 2: do you think in strategic and symbolic terms? I mean,
26:26
Speaker 2: I get your point about not allowing the Uranians to
26:30
Speaker 2: broaden it, because then that stretches everyone, doesn't it.
26:34
Speaker 11: Yeah, look, I think it is very significant, Steve. Like you,
26:38
Speaker 11: I was probably equally shocked when the Belgrano was sunk.
26:41
Speaker 11: I was a young Army officer at the time, and
26:45
Speaker 11: I guess I thought, you know, war could be relatively
26:48
Speaker 11: tidy and constrained wars have a habit of spreading and escalating.
26:53
Speaker 11: I think this is another signal that where there is
26:56
Speaker 11: only one global superpower. I think this America administration is
27:02
Speaker 11: making very clear they will use America force whenever and
27:06
Speaker 11: however they choose. I think it is you that level
27:10
Speaker 11: of awareness is starting to come through. I think there
27:13
Speaker 11: is a pretty decisive set of leaders. This chairman a cane.
27:18
Speaker 11: He's a war fighter. People I spoke to who know him.
27:21
Speaker 11: He's matter of fact and there's no mucking around. These
27:27
Speaker 11: modern nuclear submarine firing probably a Mark forty eight torpedo.
27:31
Speaker 11: It's about five hundred tilegrams of explosive and the old
27:36
Speaker 11: days in the war movie is that the torpedo would
27:39
Speaker 11: ram into the side of the vessel. These things are
27:42
Speaker 11: now sonar controlled and just at the last moment they
27:45
Speaker 11: dip under the keel of the ship. Of the massive
27:48
Speaker 11: explosion lifts the ship in the air and breaks the
27:51
Speaker 11: spine or the keel. I mean, it's an incredibly decisive weapon.
27:56
Speaker 11: So I think this is a clear signal to the
27:58
Speaker 11: Iranians that they won't control the size or shape of
28:01
Speaker 11: this war.
28:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've interviewed Jack Keen a couple of times filling
28:05
Speaker 2: in for Andrew Bolton. I heard him on with Andrew
28:07
Speaker 2: the other night. I mean, he is right across all
28:09
Speaker 2: of this detail and he's a no nonsense ex soldier.
28:12
Speaker 2: He is just extraordinary. I mean, what do do you
28:16
Speaker 2: think the Uranian Navy, as Donald Trump keeps saying, is destroyed.
28:21
Speaker 2: I mean he seems to be saying it is already destroyed.
28:24
Speaker 2: They've taken that ship out. I mean it must have
28:26
Speaker 2: sustained GUS a lot of damage.
28:29
Speaker 11: Yeah, one of the clearly stated military aims. We're not
28:32
Speaker 11: quite as sure about the strategic games that mister Trump,
28:35
Speaker 11: as he hasn't want to do, has sort of changed
28:38
Speaker 11: direction a couple of times. At that very high strategic level,
28:41
Speaker 11: are we after regime change or are we not? But
28:43
Speaker 11: at the military level, I think the objectives have been clearer.
28:47
Speaker 11: One of those was destroy the Iranian Navy, and we've
28:51
Speaker 11: seen that happening. We've seen satellite images of the Iranian Navy,
28:54
Speaker 11: particularly those that have remained inside the Arabian Gulf, being destroyed.
29:00
Speaker 11: But that said, the Iranian Navy made a decision to
29:03
Speaker 11: become what we call an acidmetric threat. Some time ago.
29:06
Speaker 11: They use small fast attack boats. They use a lot
29:10
Speaker 11: more drones, And there was a tanker hit in the
29:13
Speaker 11: Northern Persian Gulf about the same time that this ship
29:16
Speaker 11: was sunk by submarine in some ways signaling almost the
29:20
Speaker 11: opposite end of the military spectrum. A smaller tack craft
29:24
Speaker 11: probably launching some sort of drone to sink an oil
29:28
Speaker 11: tanker and basically keep the insurers at arms length and
29:32
Speaker 11: keep the straits or more's close. So I think the
29:35
Speaker 11: conventional Iranian navy will be defeated. Can they destroy their
29:40
Speaker 11: ability to launch these raids out and block the straits.
29:43
Speaker 11: That's not quite as clear yet.
29:46
Speaker 2: Gush, you know the dirt and real estate of this
29:48
Speaker 2: region as well as anyone. What about these reports today
29:51
Speaker 2: that armed Kurdish troops have crossed the border into a
29:55
Speaker 2: run from Iraq. What do you read into that.
29:59
Speaker 11: I'm concerned at it, Steve. Not the Kurds a tough fighters.
30:04
Speaker 11: They would be very valuable in any sort of ground
30:08
Speaker 11: based operations, but it does risk signaling to the Iranian
30:13
Speaker 11: population that there may be chaos and fragmentation of the
30:17
Speaker 11: Iranian state at the end of the war. I think
30:20
Speaker 11: one of the reasons the Street may not be rising
30:23
Speaker 11: up is. They've looked at places like Libya, Syria, Iraq,
30:28
Speaker 11: and in all those conflicts after the regime was removed,
30:31
Speaker 11: there was a decade or more of chaos, and I
30:34
Speaker 11: think I'm just worried that the Kurdish involvement may signal
30:38
Speaker 11: to the people of Iraq that some sort of fragmentation
30:41
Speaker 11: might occur. Now we might see a more limited role
30:44
Speaker 11: for these Kurdish fighters, taking in US special forces with
30:48
Speaker 11: lazy designators that can specifically target certain sites or locations.
30:53
Speaker 11: I hope it's more on that limited side, Steve, than
30:56
Speaker 11: an attempt to start a fragmentation of of Iran. We
31:02
Speaker 11: talked last night Gas about the Iranian spraying missiles all
31:05
Speaker 11: over the joint into places like the UAE and other
31:08
Speaker 11: parts of the middle of the region.
31:13
Speaker 2: What would be the thinking between before sending a missile
31:19
Speaker 2: into Turkey where Erduwan today said, look, this better not
31:23
Speaker 2: happen again. I mean, as you say, the Turks are
31:26
Speaker 2: a member of NATO.
31:28
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think the Iranians have probably decentralized the authorization
31:33
Speaker 11: to fire these missiles, so there will be Iranian commanders
31:36
Speaker 11: who will have a list of targets that they were
31:38
Speaker 11: given at the start.
31:39
Speaker 15: Of the war.
31:39
Speaker 11: I think it's very difficult for them to get updated
31:42
Speaker 11: electronic target lists, etc. From the Central Command because I
31:45
Speaker 11: think that would be heavily suppressed. And I think the
31:48
Speaker 11: Iranian aim was to make the war as confusing and
31:52
Speaker 11: complex for the Americans as possible. I think they probably
31:56
Speaker 11: assessed that mister Trump might have a relatively short attention
32:00
Speaker 11: span or might not want to see this through, particularly
32:04
Speaker 11: if it gets complex. I think they've underestimated the American
32:08
Speaker 11: military capability and potentially the result of the President. But
32:11
Speaker 11: I think that's the Iranian aim. Just make it as
32:14
Speaker 11: messy and as difficult as they can. That's really their
32:17
Speaker 11: only play.
32:20
Speaker 2: Great stuff, Gus, thank you for making yourselves available again
32:22
Speaker 2: for us. It's always a pleasure to talk to you.
32:25
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break on the escalation of the conflict,
32:27
Speaker 2: can the US really guarantee it will be over in
32:29
Speaker 2: a few weeks plus? Those drone attacks out of Iran
32:32
Speaker 2: should serve as a warning for Australia's own defense. That's next.
32:41
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Talked to Koshergada and Michael Danby shortly, US
32:44
Speaker 2: Defense Secretary of who has seen a bit of Pete
32:46
Speaker 2: Hesketh on the show tonight, says America is rapidly escalating
32:50
Speaker 2: its campaign against Iran, bombing missile launchers, destroying stockpiles of drones,
32:55
Speaker 2: and of course sinking that naval ship off Sri Lanka.
32:59
Speaker 2: Now joining us from the Australians Strategic Policy Institute is
33:02
Speaker 2: Dr Malcolm Davis. Malcolm, nice to see you again. The
33:06
Speaker 2: Pentagon was originally saying this conflict could be over within
33:10
Speaker 2: five weeks. What you've seen so far and with your experience,
33:14
Speaker 2: what chance do you think there is of that happening.
33:19
Speaker 18: I don't think there's much chance at all. And in fact,
33:21
Speaker 18: information coming through social media from reputable sources this evening
33:26
Speaker 18: suggests that the Pentagon is actually seeking additional military personnel
33:30
Speaker 18: to head out to Scentcom, the region where the war
33:33
Speaker 18: is being fought, with the aim being to have the ability,
33:37
Speaker 18: if necessary, to fight through to September. So I think
33:41
Speaker 18: that we should be thinking about much longer terms for
33:45
Speaker 18: this war going on, rather than necessarily four or five weeks.
33:50
Speaker 2: Political leaders can't help themselves, can they, Malcolm. They always
33:53
Speaker 2: when they go into these engagements, predict it's going to
33:56
Speaker 2: end very quickly. George Bush Junior famously said that he
33:59
Speaker 2: would have a war or over in a few days.
34:01
Speaker 2: I mean, it never works that way, exactly, We'll go
34:05
Speaker 2: back to World War One and bring the troops back
34:07
Speaker 2: home for Christmas.
34:08
Speaker 18: It doesn't work that way, you know. I think that
34:11
Speaker 18: the nature of war is it's unpredictable, the old saying
34:16
Speaker 18: that no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.
34:19
Speaker 18: I think that very clearly we've gone into this war,
34:22
Speaker 18: I think in a way that doesn't really have clear
34:25
Speaker 18: aims or clear theory of victory as they call it,
34:28
Speaker 18: how to win the war and what it is you
34:30
Speaker 18: seek to achieve. And so the US, I think, is
34:32
Speaker 18: having to adapt to changing Iranian tactics, and I think
34:36
Speaker 18: that they're recognizing that this war will indeed go on
34:39
Speaker 18: longer than they had anticipated.
34:42
Speaker 2: I guess it's impossible to predict what the stockpile of
34:45
Speaker 2: drones and missiles is that Iran has. They must be,
34:50
Speaker 2: you know that they're firing a hell of a lot
34:52
Speaker 2: of missiles and a hell of a lot of drones.
34:54
Speaker 2: I presume they prepared for year after year after year
34:57
Speaker 2: for this possibility, and so they probably got big stock.
35:00
Speaker 2: But at some point do these weapons run out.
35:05
Speaker 18: I think the challenge for the Iranians is more that
35:07
Speaker 18: the Americans and the Israelis have got air superiority over Iran,
35:11
Speaker 18: so their aircraft, the American and Israeli aircraft can fly
35:14
Speaker 18: at will over Iran, identify launch sites for missiles and
35:19
Speaker 18: drones and attack them. So it's not just a case
35:21
Speaker 18: of the Iranians using up their stockpiles of missiles and drones.
35:25
Speaker 18: It's the Americans also attacking the launching sites and it
35:28
Speaker 18: becomes more and more difficult for the Iranians to continue
35:31
Speaker 18: a high rate of fire with these systems. At the
35:33
Speaker 18: same time, the Americans are also attacking production facilities that
35:37
Speaker 18: they detect. So it is a race between on the
35:40
Speaker 18: one hand, the Americans destroying Iranian missiles and drones versus
35:46
Speaker 18: the Iranian ability to wear down and erode US and
35:50
Speaker 18: Israeli missile defense systems, and it's a case of which
35:53
Speaker 18: side achieves their objectives.
35:55
Speaker 2: First. Do you know, Malcolm, whether Iran is a drone
36:00
Speaker 2: manufacturer or are they relying on their allies like Russia,
36:04
Speaker 2: China in North Korea to get this sort of hardware.
36:10
Speaker 18: No, absolutely, they're a drone manufacturer, in which in actual
36:13
Speaker 18: fact they supplied shah Head drones to Russia to use
36:18
Speaker 18: against Ukraine, and now the Russians are locally producing their
36:22
Speaker 18: version of the shah Head to use against Ukraine. So
36:24
Speaker 18: the Iranians have a very large drone manufacturing capability, they
36:29
Speaker 18: have a very large missile manufacturing capability, so there are
36:33
Speaker 18: no way reliant on either China or Russia to provide
36:36
Speaker 18: them with drones. The challenge the Iranians will face in
36:39
Speaker 18: coming days and weeks is that as the Americans and
36:42
Speaker 18: the Israelis destroy Iranian drone and missile production and drone
36:47
Speaker 18: and missile launching capabilities, they're going to begin to run low,
36:51
Speaker 18: and their ability to sustain that rate of fire against
36:54
Speaker 18: the US and Israel is going to become less and less.
36:58
Speaker 2: I guess the other thing We've got to keep remind ourselves,
37:00
Speaker 2: and I keep saying, and we're dealing here, not with
37:03
Speaker 2: a country the size of Iraq or you know, even Gaza.
37:08
Speaker 2: We're dealing with a massive lump of geography with a
37:12
Speaker 2: population of ninety three million people. I mean, this is
37:15
Speaker 2: a very big.
37:16
Speaker 14: Country, exactly.
37:19
Speaker 18: And I think that's one of the reasons why everyone
37:21
Speaker 18: is very nervous when the question of boots on the
37:24
Speaker 18: ground becomes an open issue. At the beginning of this war,
37:28
Speaker 18: the Americans said, there is no way we're going to
37:30
Speaker 18: get boots on the ground. We're going to have US
37:33
Speaker 18: ground forces go into a run. Now the situation, the
37:38
Speaker 18: decision on terms of ground forces is a little less clear,
37:42
Speaker 18: and so I do think that there are real reasons
37:45
Speaker 18: for concern. If the US does deploy boots on the ground.
37:48
Speaker 18: The risk is that the Americans get sucked into another
37:51
Speaker 18: prolonged conflict in the Middle East. And the challenge there
37:55
Speaker 18: is not just political for the Trump administration, because Trump
37:58
Speaker 18: came to power on the on the argument that he
38:01
Speaker 18: would never let America get drawn into another forever war.
38:05
Speaker 18: The challenge is also strategic in the sense that if
38:08
Speaker 18: America gets diverted into another endless conflict in the Middle East,
38:11
Speaker 18: they are less able to respond to the challenge from
38:14
Speaker 18: China in the Intero Pacific against Taiwan, and they are
38:17
Speaker 18: less able to respond to the challenge from Russia against
38:20
Speaker 18: NATO that could emerge it within this decade.
38:24
Speaker 2: Just before we go, give me some comfort that in
38:28
Speaker 2: camera where you are, there's people within the Australian Defense
38:31
Speaker 2: Force and people within our intelligence agencies and within the
38:35
Speaker 2: ruling political party, the Labor Party, talking about hey guys,
38:39
Speaker 2: how many drones have we got, where are they stored?
38:41
Speaker 2: And how many more do we need?
38:44
Speaker 18: Look, I think Australia is well behind the eight ball
38:47
Speaker 18: in terms of drones and also counter drone defenses. However,
38:51
Speaker 18: having said that, we are making a determined effort to
38:54
Speaker 18: build up both our drone capability and also counter drone systems.
39:00
Speaker 18: Have a project called land one five six which is
39:03
Speaker 18: designed to develop counteryos or counter drone capabilities. That's underway.
39:08
Speaker 18: We're also developing a range of unmanned systems, including the
39:12
Speaker 18: Ghost Bat collaborative combat aircraft and the Ghost Shark large
39:16
Speaker 18: uncrewed underwater vehicle. So both of those are very sophisticated capabilities.
39:21
Speaker 18: I think where we're lacking is in the lower cost,
39:24
Speaker 18: cheaper drones that can be manufactured en mass, in large
39:28
Speaker 18: scale and at volume, and I think that's where we
39:30
Speaker 18: need to focus, as well as in building up rapidly
39:33
Speaker 18: our counter drone capabilities.
39:37
Speaker 2: You have given me some level of comfort. Thank you
39:39
Speaker 2: very much, Malcolm. I talk to you shortly Malcolm Davis there.
39:42
Speaker 2: Thank you God. Australia needs to get moving coming up
39:45
Speaker 2: around is today installed a new Supreme leader. It appears
39:48
Speaker 2: all the claims are that that is spib It will
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Speaker 2: be the son of the dead A Toller. So does
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Speaker 2: he have a target on his back? Does he ever?
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the price with you. Let's bring in
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Speaker 2: our international panel Skone Wish contributed Kosher Gata and former
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Speaker 2: Labour MP Michael Danby. Welcome to you both. I'm interested
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Speaker 2: to get both of you views on the thoughts about
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Speaker 2: this potential new leader in Iran. It's been reported it's
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Speaker 2: the son of the slain former leader. He is going
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Speaker 2: to have a hell of a target on his back.
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Speaker 2: But he's also said Kosher to be more radical than
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Speaker 2: his father.
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Speaker 16: Yes, that I think is is that's possible?
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Speaker 19: Well, you know, and that is a core concern for
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Speaker 19: the many people who are concerned about this move. It
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Speaker 19: obviously remains very controversial. Is that Iran is a very
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Speaker 19: complicated country. The bench is very deep, not just the
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Speaker 19: son of the slain former Supreme Leader, but the IERGC
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Speaker 19: more broadly. They're very loyal to the regime. If not
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Speaker 19: the Sun, there could be ten thousand other people potentially
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Speaker 19: like that. It's very different from Venezuela, for example, and
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Speaker 19: also add to that as a very complex country, very
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Speaker 19: ethnically diversified or culturally diversified, the factions hun to twelve
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Speaker 19: ethnic groups in there, so there isn't an obvious heir apparent.
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Speaker 19: And if he is sort of the de facto one,
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Speaker 19: and he is even more radical than many people are concerned,
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Speaker 19: we're sort of back to square one. Yes it's defanged militarily,
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Speaker 19: but you're sort of in a different version.
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Speaker 2: Horrib feeling that we're going to get back to where
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Speaker 2: we were before. I mean, I hope not, but I mean,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't appear that the people who are running the military,
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Speaker 2: the people who are running the Revolutionary Guard, are suddenly
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Speaker 2: folding and going putting their hands up and saying, let
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Speaker 2: the peace snakes take over the country.
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Speaker 6: Michael, traffic lights, I'm going to say to you, Steve,
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Speaker 6: traffic lights. The more SUD controls that the traffic cameras
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Speaker 6: all over Iran, and they that's how they found where
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Speaker 6: Kameni is. I'm told that the conclave of experts was
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Speaker 6: actually blown up, the one that was meant to choose
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Speaker 6: the successor. And I don't believe he's showing it chosen it.
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Speaker 6: Hameni Swengali, a fella called Ali Laranjani is actually a
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Speaker 6: character in the TV series Tehran. He's the head muller
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Speaker 6: in that so I think art is imitating life and
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Speaker 6: life is imitating art. He's the bloke is really running
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Speaker 6: your own it's so deep underground.
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Speaker 2: So the poor woman who's in charge of directing that program, Tayrun,
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Speaker 2: she's been found dead.
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Speaker 6: Yes, they said that she's suicide, but other people have
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Speaker 6: other theories. It's very, very spooky, the whole thing. But
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Speaker 6: a woman, the main character is a woman who looks
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Speaker 6: very like Kosher. I'm sorry to say this, but Tamar
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Speaker 6: and she's running around Tehran at the moment, and I
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Speaker 6: think the possibilities that have been really radical changes in Iran.
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Speaker 6: They say there are only three members of the Supreme
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Speaker 6: Council left and all of the others are dead by
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Speaker 6: the Mousad's hands. And the three that are there actually
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Speaker 6: Mossart agents, but they don't know that each other are
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Speaker 6: working for them.
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Speaker 2: Kosher. I've talked up Marco Rubio this week. I thought
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Speaker 2: the U two appearances that he made where he was
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Speaker 2: just talking to the media in I think he was
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Speaker 2: in the halls of Congress there somewhere. I'm less impressed
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Speaker 2: with Pete Hayskeith. But Donald Trump seems to be towing
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Speaker 2: the line. How have you assised those three this week?
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Speaker 2: When we're what five days into this conflicts?
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Speaker 19: It is very interesting. So Trump, I think of many,
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Speaker 19: many people, and not just his base, the whole country.
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Speaker 19: This remains very controversial, very unpopular. It's now as a
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Speaker 19: dust is settling. It's sort of falling along partisan lines.
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Speaker 19: But a lot of people are scratching their heads because
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Speaker 19: this is diametrically opposed to what he ran on and
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Speaker 19: what his position has been. Anti war, no regime change.
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Speaker 19: I don't want to go out taking other countries want
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Speaker 19: to focus on domestic issues. So they're confused.
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Speaker 2: But when he says, you know, if I didn't move,
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Speaker 2: they'd have a nuclear weapon in two weeks, I mean
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Speaker 2: even the base is going to go. Well, thank god
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Speaker 2: you did.
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Speaker 19: His problem is he said that during Operation Midnight Hammer,
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Speaker 19: and the word he used was we obliterated them when
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Speaker 19: they went in and did that twelve day bombing. And
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Speaker 19: then six months later people were like, wait, didn't you
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Speaker 19: just tell us that you ye defined the mirror.
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Speaker 6: That's quite success in their ount boots on the ground
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Speaker 6: so far, will he will well, if there's a few
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Speaker 6: CIA special operators and what side special operators calling down
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Speaker 6: the weapons on drone factories and missile factories that you
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Speaker 6: were talking about.
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Speaker 14: Before, they wanted to it's useles as long.
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Speaker 6: As they're out in four weeks.
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Speaker 19: Trump willed they want an off ramp and just a
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Speaker 19: minute back to Ruby or what you asked about. He
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Speaker 19: created a bit of a firestorm in that moment they
44:21
Speaker 19: were talking about miss step ground Israel. He basically said
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Speaker 19: that Israel forest o a hand. He didn't see it
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Speaker 19: in so many words, but that's how it was perceived
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Speaker 19: and that got a lot of blowback and he's done
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Speaker 19: some cleanup and al suven after that on the line.
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Speaker 2: So certainly an oppressive personality. I mean, when if you
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Speaker 2: throw forward to the next presidential election and who they're
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Speaker 2: going to choose, he'd have his head in front of
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Speaker 2: at the moment, what do you know about this idea
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Speaker 2: that the Kurds have been armed? I was talking to
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Speaker 2: Major General McLaughlin before he says that really worries him.
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Speaker 2: If they've come over the border from Iraq.
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know whether why it should worry him,
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Speaker 6: because the Kurds have always been armed, they've always been betrayed.
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Speaker 6: They may come over the border, but they're not going
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Speaker 6: to make the central decisions about who's running Iran. You
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Speaker 6: just watched for that Ariel Ali Laranjani. When his head
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Speaker 6: pops up, he'll be the He was Kamen's darling. He
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Speaker 6: really knows how to run the state if he pops
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Speaker 6: up out of the bunker, unless the Israelis kill him
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Speaker 6: or the Americans kill him by bombing. That's what's really
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Speaker 6: going to come out of this.
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Speaker 2: Let's come back to Australia with the political ramifications of this.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Anthony Albanezi was quick to jump in and
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Speaker 2: say that he supported the American involvement and what they
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Speaker 2: were doing. Some of his critics, I'm sure from the
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Speaker 2: hard left Michael inside the party, whether they be in
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Speaker 2: Canberra or in the wider party would not have been
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Speaker 2: very happy about that. No, they weren't.
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Speaker 6: But I think Albo and his dominant socialist left group
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Speaker 6: have shifted because of what the Iranians did here in Australia.
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Speaker 6: I think Albow was genuinely shocked that they came and
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Speaker 6: blew up places here in Australia, synagogue and the childcare
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Speaker 6: center in city. And you've got on the other hand,
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Speaker 6: now people like Rafchachoni the Senator have the courage to
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Speaker 6: come out and speak for what I regard as mainstream
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Speaker 6: Australian values.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had to go at the ABC too, which
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Speaker 2: is really interesting. I mean here he is. Let's have
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Speaker 2: a listen to what he said when he made that
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Speaker 2: speech in Parliament last night.
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Speaker 8: Yet what we have seen this week from the Australian
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Speaker 8: Greens and prominent voices who rush to condemn Australia for
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Speaker 8: supporting action claiming international law has been violated. This is
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Speaker 8: naked hypocrisy that undermines our nation and its values. We
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Speaker 8: have lost our moral compass. What is truly political is
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Speaker 8: neutrality in the face of evil.
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Speaker 2: Where's Labour been hiding that blood?
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Speaker 6: Well he's a good guy. There should be more of him.
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Speaker 6: If there'd been more people speaking out like him over
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Speaker 6: the last two and a half years, as they would
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Speaker 6: the Hawk, Beasley, even Shorten or Gillard eras Labour would
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Speaker 6: have a different impression in the public. They're lucky they've
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Speaker 6: got ninety three seats, and that the difference between one
47:09
Speaker 6: nation and the Liberals is so strong. I'm not sure
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Speaker 6: the fact that so many people, so many Australians have
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Speaker 6: doubts about elbow labor, that it's going to actually work,
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Speaker 6: even with Pauline being so increasingly popular.
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Speaker 2: Kosha, what about this idea that we're funding these mosques
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Speaker 2: that are holding memorial services for that dead butcher who
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Speaker 2: the Americans thank Christ killed. I mean, that's ridiculous. I
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Speaker 2: think you talk about this thousand dollars.
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Speaker 19: Yes, and we'll talk about this all the time. That
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Speaker 19: these are many downstream consequences of immigration policy, and you
47:42
Speaker 19: just create this pouchwork society and there's this coalition of
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Speaker 19: the fringes. Then that ends up being the backbone of
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Speaker 19: a political party and then you just wind up pandering
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Speaker 19: to them.
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Speaker 2: Does this money get flushed around?
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Speaker 6: They go electric by electric and work out the identity groups.
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Speaker 6: That that was.
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Speaker 2: In the seat of groups, and that was announced.
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Speaker 6: During the election, and it was by Julian Hire, the
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Speaker 6: minister who's responsible for this. And then Julian a few
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Speaker 6: days ago, remember as the conflict started, he came out
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Speaker 6: and said, look, we can't give up Australia day to
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Speaker 6: one nation. We can't give up the Australian flag to
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Speaker 6: one nation. We have to be more patriotic. So I
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Speaker 6: think he's learned to lissen too. So if he and
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Speaker 6: Elbow have shifted back towards the center, it's better for us.
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Speaker 2: So that's the case, and we had Carolin Marcus actually
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Speaker 2: showed him announcing that thank you both coming in. Appreciate
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Speaker 2: it very much. Peter Kredlin will be back with you
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Speaker 2: next week. I will be back with you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: Another one of those Emirates planes loaded with people out
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Speaker 2: of the Middle East, rescued at the last minute. They
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Speaker 2: will land in Melbourne tonight. That's about four hundred on
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Speaker 2: that plane and we're told that there's another two on
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Speaker 2: the way, so that's great news. Andrew bolts up next