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Current Politics from an Integral Taoist Perspective · Deep Transformation

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Dear,
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dear
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listener,
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hi,
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this
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is
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John
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Dupuy.
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I
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want
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to
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ask
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a
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favor
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of
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you.
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If
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you
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like
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the
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podcast
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A
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Deep
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Transformation
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and
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you're
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getting
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a
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lot
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out
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of
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it,
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could
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you
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please
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help
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us
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by
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going
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to
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wherever
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you
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get
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your
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podcast,
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it's
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a
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Spotify
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or
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Apple
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or
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wherever
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it
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is,
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and
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write,
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write
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a
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review
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that
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would
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really
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help
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us
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to
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get
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this
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out.
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We
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really
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believe
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in
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what
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we're
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doing
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and
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we're
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really
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praying
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and
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hoping
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this
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is
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helping
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people
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and
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being
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part
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of
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the
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solution.
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So
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if
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you
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could
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do
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that,
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it
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would
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be
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greatly
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appreciated
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by
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Roger,
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myself
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and
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our
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team.
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God
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bless.
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Thank
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you.
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Welcome
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to
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part
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two
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of
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our
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conversation
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with
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Dr.
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Sally
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Adnams
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Jones
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where
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she
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takes
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us
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through
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the
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current
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world
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political
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situation
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with
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a
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brilliant
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meta
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and
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frankly,
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jaw
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dropping
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clarity.
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Welcome
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to
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Deep
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Transformation.
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Self,
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society,
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Spirit,
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life
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enhancing,
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paradigm
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rattling
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conversations
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with
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cutting
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edge
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thinkers,
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contemplatives
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and
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activ.
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With
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Dr.
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Roger
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Walsh
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and
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John
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Dupuy.
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Join
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us
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in
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the
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evolutionary
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fast
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lane
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as
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we
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take
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a
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deep
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dive
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into
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transformational
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practice.
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Peak
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experience,
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profound
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understanding,
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powerful
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contribution.
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With
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that
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said,
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we've
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got
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a
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yin
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and
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yang
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polarization.
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Trump
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looks
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at
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Canada
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and
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says,
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you
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are
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my
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worst
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nightmare.
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You're
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dei.
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South
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Africa's
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even
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more
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extreme
1:36
dei.
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He's
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got
1:37
that
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in
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his
1:38
mind.
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We
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should
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just
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say
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diversity,
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equity,
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inclusion,
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probably
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everyone
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knows,
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but
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just
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so
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we
1:44
make
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it
1:45
clear.
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So
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how
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do
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we
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bring
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these
1:46
back
1:47
into
1:47
healthy
1:47
balance?
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From
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a
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personal
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point
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of
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view,
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Canada
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has
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been
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working
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really
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hard
1:56
with
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America
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for
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decades
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and
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our
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economy
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and
2:02
our
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security
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and
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our
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nationalities
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have
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become
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more
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and
2:07
more
2:07
integrated.
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So
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that's
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the
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feminine,
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the
2:10
communal.
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We
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have
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merged
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to
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some
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extent.
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That's
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the
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feminine.
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Trump
2:18
is
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saying,
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no,
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we
2:20
need
2:20
to
2:20
become
2:20
separate.
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That's
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the
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masculine,
2:22
the
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parts
2:23
and
2:24
the
2:24
whole.
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And
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we've
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agreed,
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we
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think
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this
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is
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now
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important,
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that
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we
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separate
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from
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America,
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that
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we
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become
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more
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accountable
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for
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our
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own
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generation
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of
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resources,
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our
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own
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security,
2:42
our
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own
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economic
2:44
independence.
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It's
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critical.
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So
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there's
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a,
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if
2:49
you
2:49
step
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back,
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it's
2:50
the
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movement
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between
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parts
2:52
and
2:52
whole
2:52
played
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out
2:53
in
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politics.
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One
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is
2:55
yang,
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one
2:56
is
2:56
yin,
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and
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the
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two
2:57
value
2:57
sets
2:58
are
2:58
trying
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to
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figure
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each
2:59
other
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out.
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And
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they're
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both
3:00
essential.
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I'm
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not
3:02
going
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to
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decry
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or
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pathologize
3:04
either
3:04
one.
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If
3:06
you
3:06
look
3:06
through
3:06
history,
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all
3:07
we
3:07
ever
3:07
do
3:07
is
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oscillate
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between
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the
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two.
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So
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this
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is
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normal,
3:11
this
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is
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healthy.
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However,
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we
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need
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to
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take
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into
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account
3:15
the
3:16
threats,
3:17
the
3:18
threats
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to
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our
3:19
sovereignty,
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which
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is
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a
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non
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consensual
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breach
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of
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our
3:27
independence,
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which
3:28
is
3:29
a
3:29
threat
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economically.
3:33
But
3:33
really
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that's
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just
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A
3:36
disguise
3:37
for
3:37
his
3:38
desire
3:39
to
3:39
turn
3:40
us
3:40
into
3:40
a
3:40
vassal
3:41
51st
3:42
state.
3:43
So
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Canadians
3:44
have
3:45
become
3:45
united
3:46
about
3:47
this
3:47
threat
3:47
to
3:48
our
3:48
sovereignty.
3:49
It's
3:49
an
3:49
illegal,
3:51
imperialistic
3:52
threat
3:53
which
3:53
Americans
3:54
are
3:54
not
3:54
aware
3:54
of.
3:55
They
3:56
think
3:56
it's
3:56
a
3:56
good
3:56
idea
3:57
to
3:57
just
3:57
merge
3:58
with
3:58
Canada.
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So.
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Well,
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not
4:01
all
4:01
of
4:01
them.
4:03
I
4:03
think
4:03
it's
4:03
a
4:03
horrible
4:04
idea.
4:04
Just
4:04
for
4:05
the
4:05
record.
4:05
It
4:06
offends
4:06
the
4:06
hell
4:07
out
4:07
of
4:07
me.
4:07
But
4:08
anyway,
4:09
half
4:09
of
4:09
the
4:09
country
4:11
realized
4:12
that
4:12
we're
4:12
two
4:12
separate
4:13
states,
4:13
and
4:13
the
4:13
other
4:14
half
4:15
are
4:15
looking
4:15
at
4:16
our
4:16
resources,
4:17
our
4:17
rare
4:17
earth
4:18
minerals,
4:18
our
4:19
lumber,
4:19
our
4:19
oil,
4:20
our
4:21
land
4:22
and
4:22
the
4:22
Arctic.
4:23
So
4:23
it's
4:23
a
4:23
security
4:24
issue,
4:25
too.
4:27
So
4:28
there
4:28
are
4:28
several
4:29
things
4:29
we're
4:29
doing.
4:30
We
4:30
have
4:30
a
4:31
wonderful
4:31
new
4:32
prime
4:32
minister.
4:33
He's
4:33
a
4:33
centrist.
4:34
I'm
4:34
a
4:35
centrist
4:35
because
4:35
I'm
4:36
a
4:36
daoist.
4:37
We
4:37
need
4:37
to
4:37
bring
4:38
opposites
4:38
together.
4:40
Our
4:40
previous
4:41
prime
4:41
minister
4:42
was
4:43
to
4:43
the
4:44
left,
4:45
so
4:45
he
4:45
didn't
4:46
look
4:46
at
4:46
things
4:46
like
4:47
militarization
4:48
and
4:49
security
4:49
and
4:51
the
4:51
more
4:51
masculine
4:52
aspects
4:52
of
4:53
becoming
4:53
independent
4:54
economically.
4:55
He
4:56
looked
4:56
at
4:56
merging.
4:57
He
4:58
was
4:58
more
4:58
feminine
4:59
in
4:59
his
4:59
politics.
5:00
So
5:00
the
5:00
new
5:01
Mr.
5:01
Carney,
5:02
our
5:02
new
5:02
prime
5:02
minister,
5:03
is
5:03
a
5:03
centrist.
5:04
He
5:04
really
5:04
believes
5:04
in
5:05
bringing
5:05
these
5:05
two
5:05
things
5:06
together.
5:06
He's
5:07
an
5:07
integral
5:07
politician,
5:08
which
5:08
I
5:09
find
5:09
fascinating.
5:11
He
5:11
believes
5:12
in
5:12
dei,
5:14
and
5:14
he
5:14
also
5:15
believes
5:15
in
5:15
militarization
5:16
and
5:17
security
5:17
and
5:18
work
5:19
building
5:19
a
5:20
country,
5:20
the
5:20
masculine
5:21
Yang
5:22
energy.
5:23
So
5:24
he
5:24
is
5:24
trying
5:24
to
5:24
unite
5:25
us,
5:25
and
5:25
he's
5:26
very
5:26
much
5:26
succeeding.
5:27
He's
5:28
appealing
5:28
to
5:28
the
5:28
conservatives
5:29
who
5:29
want
5:30
to
5:30
atomize,
5:32
strip
5:32
the
5:32
country
5:33
of
5:33
resources,
5:34
ignore
5:35
climate
5:35
change.
5:37
And
5:37
he
5:37
wants
5:37
to
5:38
also
5:38
include
5:39
indigenous
5:40
wisdom.
5:41
We
5:41
have
5:41
tremendous
5:42
indigenous
5:43
wisdom
5:43
in
5:43
this
5:44
country.
5:45
He
5:45
wants
5:45
to
5:45
include
5:46
women
5:46
and
5:47
people
5:47
of
5:47
color
5:48
and
5:48
disability.
5:49
So
5:49
he
5:49
is
5:50
a
5:50
uniting,
5:51
integral
5:51
leader,
5:52
which
5:52
is
5:53
interesting.
5:54
Not
5:55
only
5:55
that,
5:55
He's
5:55
a
5:55
brilliant
5:56
PhD
5:57
in
5:57
macroeconomics
5:58
and
5:58
has
5:59
extraordinary
6:00
experience
6:00
in
6:01
not
6:01
only
6:02
leading,
6:02
he
6:03
was
6:03
governor
6:03
of
6:03
bank
6:04
of
6:04
Canada.
6:04
He's
6:05
the
6:05
gov.
6:05
He
6:05
was
6:06
invited
6:06
to
6:06
be
6:06
the
6:08
extraordinary,
6:08
the
6:09
governor
6:09
of
6:09
the
6:09
bank
6:09
of
6:10
England
6:10
during
6:10
Brexit
6:11
because
6:11
he's
6:12
a
6:12
uniter
6:13
and
6:13
he
6:13
understands
6:14
yin
6:15
and
6:15
yang
6:16
in
6:16
the
6:16
economic
6:18
field.
6:18
It's
6:19
in
6:19
extraordinary
6:20
times
6:20
for
6:20
Canada,
6:21
and
6:22
he
6:22
is
6:22
not
6:23
apologetic.
6:24
He
6:24
is
6:24
not
6:24
taking
6:25
this
6:25
line
6:25
down.
6:26
He's
6:26
extremely
6:27
assertive
6:28
about
6:29
Trump's
6:29
imperialism
6:30
and
6:32
has
6:32
asserted
6:33
our
6:33
independence
6:34
and
6:35
we're
6:35
now
6:37
coordinating
6:37
with
6:38
Europe.
6:39
I
6:39
could
6:40
go
6:40
on
6:40
and
6:40
on.
6:40
I
6:40
don't
6:41
know
6:41
if
6:41
you
6:41
want
6:41
the
6:41
details
6:42
of
6:42
how
6:42
we're
6:42
doing
6:42
that.
6:44
Well,
6:44
how
6:44
did
6:44
it
6:45
feel
6:45
when
6:45
it
6:45
first.
6:46
When
6:47
Trump
6:47
started
6:47
his
6:47
bullying
6:48
tactics
6:48
and
6:48
said,
6:49
you
6:49
don't
6:49
even
6:49
have
6:49
a
6:49
right
6:50
to
6:50
exist
6:50
as
6:50
a
6:50
country,
6:51
that
6:51
was
6:51
historical
6:52
mistake
6:52
should
6:53
have
6:53
never
6:53
happened.
6:54
And
6:54
you'll
6:54
be
6:54
much
6:54
happier
6:55
if
6:55
you're
6:55
a
6:55
52nd
6:56
state.
6:56
And
6:56
I'll
6:57
do
6:57
whatever
6:57
it
6:57
takes.
6:58
Threatening,
6:59
even
7:00
military.
7:00
I.
7:00
I
7:01
doubt
7:01
there's
7:01
American
7:02
soldier
7:02
that
7:02
would
7:02
attack
7:03
Canada,
7:03
but,
7:03
I
7:04
mean,
7:04
in
7:04
his,
7:05
you
7:05
know,
7:06
his
7:06
mind.
7:07
So
7:07
how
7:07
did
7:08
that
7:08
feel?
7:08
What
7:08
was
7:08
the
7:08
impact?
7:09
Yeah.
7:09
So
7:10
let's
7:10
get
7:10
into
7:10
the
7:11
body
7:11
here
7:11
for
7:11
a
7:11
moment.
7:12
John.
7:12
Every
7:13
single
7:13
Canadian
7:14
is
7:15
deeply
7:15
traumatized
7:16
right
7:16
now.
7:18
I'll
7:18
be
7:18
honest.
7:19
We
7:20
know
7:20
that
7:20
we're
7:20
10%
7:23
in
7:23
size
7:24
of
7:24
your
7:25
economy.
7:27
We
7:28
are
7:28
the
7:28
little
7:29
brother
7:29
here.
7:30
There's
7:31
no
7:31
doubt
7:31
if
7:32
Trump
7:32
wants
7:33
to
7:33
take
7:33
us,
7:33
he
7:33
can.
7:35
He's
7:35
about
7:36
to
7:36
spend,
7:37
you
7:37
know,
7:38
a
7:38
trillion
7:39
dollars
7:39
on
7:39
his
7:39
military.
7:40
He's
7:40
got
7:40
the
7:40
biggest
7:41
military
7:42
in
7:42
the
7:42
world.
7:43
We
7:43
have
7:43
been
7:44
traditionally
7:44
peacekeepers
7:45
in
7:46
the
7:46
world.
7:46
We
7:46
have
7:47
a
7:47
very
7:48
small
7:49
military.
7:49
It's
7:49
less
7:50
than
7:50
100,000
7:51
soldiers.
7:52
We
7:52
don't
7:53
have
7:54
the
7:55
equipment
7:55
you
7:55
have.
7:56
We
7:56
know
7:56
that
7:57
if
7:57
Trump
7:57
wants
7:57
us,
7:58
he
7:58
will
7:58
take
7:58
us,
7:58
and
7:59
that
7:59
is
7:59
very
8:00
profound.
8:01
We
8:01
also
8:01
know
8:02
that
8:02
nobody
8:03
will
8:03
come
8:03
to
8:03
our
8:03
aid
8:04
because
8:04
NATO
8:05
has
8:05
been
8:06
demolished
8:06
successfully.
8:08
So
8:08
who
8:09
would
8:09
risk
8:09
taking
8:10
on
8:10
the
8:10
United
8:11
States
8:11
as
8:11
a
8:12
NATO
8:12
and
8:14
America?
8:15
Threatening
8:15
a
8:15
NATO
8:16
ally
8:17
is
8:17
unprecedented.
8:20
It
8:21
was
8:21
inconceivable
8:22
10
8:23
years
8:23
ago.
8:25
So
8:25
we're
8:25
adjusting
8:26
to
8:26
this
8:26
very
8:27
real
8:27
threat.
8:27
It's
8:28
a
8:28
very
8:28
real
8:28
possibility,
8:30
and
8:30
we're
8:31
trying
8:31
to
8:31
figure
8:31
out
8:32
how
8:32
he
8:32
could
8:32
do
8:32
it.
8:32
He
8:33
could
8:33
take
8:34
Greenland,
8:37
which
8:37
he
8:37
thinks
8:37
is
8:38
in
8:38
his
8:38
rights
8:39
to
8:39
do,
8:40
for
8:40
security
8:41
for
8:41
the
8:41
globe.
8:43
But
8:43
if
8:44
he
8:44
attacks
8:45
a
8:45
NATO
8:45
ally,
8:46
which
8:46
is
8:46
Denmark,
8:47
Canada
8:48
will
8:48
be
8:48
drawn
8:49
into
8:49
that
8:50
irrevocably.
8:51
We
8:52
always,
8:52
it's
8:53
our
8:53
tradition,
8:54
fight
8:56
for
8:56
the
8:56
allies.
8:56
We
8:57
did
8:57
that
8:57
in
8:57
both
8:58
world
8:58
wars.
8:58
We've
8:59
done
8:59
that.
8:59
It's
9:00
our
9:00
history.
9:01
We
9:01
will
9:02
have
9:02
to
9:02
support
9:03
Denmark.
9:05
Wow.
9:07
I
9:07
mean,
9:07
it's
9:08
inconceivable.
9:09
Trump's
9:11
main
9:13
idea
9:13
is
9:14
to
9:14
get
9:14
hold
9:14
of
9:15
the
9:16
Arctic,
9:17
and
9:18
that
9:18
is
9:19
Canadian
9:19
territory
9:20
at
9:20
this
9:20
point,
9:21
and
9:21
he
9:22
will
9:22
use
9:22
a
9:23
lot
9:23
of
9:24
reasoning,
9:24
false
9:25
reasoning
9:25
around
9:25
that
9:26
to
9:26
do
9:26
that.
9:28
So
9:28
we
9:29
are
9:30
under
9:30
no
9:30
illusion,
9:33
number
9:34
one,
9:34
that
9:34
he
9:34
wants
9:34
our
9:35
rare
9:35
earth
9:35
minerals
9:36
for
9:36
his
9:36
oligarchs,
9:37
and
9:38
he
9:38
wants
9:38
them
9:38
in
9:38
Ukraine
9:39
and
9:39
he
9:39
wants
9:39
them
9:39
in
9:40
South
9:40
Africa.
9:41
So
9:41
what
9:41
he
9:41
does
9:42
is
9:42
divisive
9:43
politics
9:43
to
9:43
destroy
9:45
those
9:45
democracies.
9:48
Let's
9:48
collapse
9:49
the
9:50
leadership,
9:50
and
9:51
we
9:51
will
9:51
gain
9:52
access.
9:52
I'm
9:53
speaking
9:53
frankly
9:54
here
9:54
now.
9:55
And
9:55
Canadians
9:56
are
9:56
under
9:57
no
9:57
illusion
9:58
that
9:58
it's
9:58
not
9:59
that
9:59
he
9:59
wants
9:59
us
10:00
as
10:00
a
10:00
cherished
10:01
partner,
10:02
which
10:02
is
10:02
the
10:02
language
10:03
of
10:03
abuse.
10:05
Let's
10:05
call
10:06
you
10:06
the
10:06
cherished
10:07
partner
10:08
when
10:08
actually
10:08
all
10:09
we
10:09
want
10:09
to
10:09
do
10:09
is
10:10
take
10:11
your
10:11
resources.
10:13
So
10:14
the
10:14
language
10:14
isn't
10:15
consistent
10:15
with
10:16
the
10:16
threat
10:16
and
10:17
the
10:17
action,
10:17
and
10:18
we're
10:18
aware
10:18
of
10:19
that.
10:21
So
10:22
militarily,
10:23
for
10:23
example,
10:24
it's
10:24
our
10:25
feeling
10:26
that
10:26
the
10:26
US
10:27
has
10:27
become
10:28
under
10:28
the
10:29
Trump
10:29
regime,
10:30
and
10:30
I'll
10:30
use
10:31
that
10:31
word
10:31
because
10:32
he's
10:32
moving
10:32
into
10:33
fascist
10:33
authoritarianism.
10:35
He's
10:36
becoming
10:36
an
10:36
arms
10:37
dealer.
10:39
So
10:39
he
10:39
wants
10:40
all
10:40
the
10:40
NATO
10:41
allies
10:41
to
10:42
increase
10:42
their
10:43
budget
10:43
from
10:43
2%
10:44
to
10:44
5%
10:46
to
10:46
arm
10:46
themselves
10:47
against
10:48
threats,
10:49
threats
10:50
which
10:50
are
10:50
never
10:50
named.
10:54
What
10:54
he
10:54
really
10:54
means
10:55
is
10:55
you
10:55
guys
10:55
need
10:56
to
10:56
all
10:56
spend
10:56
your
10:57
money
10:57
with
10:58
our
10:58
military
10:58
industrial
10:59
complex.
11:01
It's
11:01
a
11:01
trade
11:03
economic
11:03
warfare,
11:05
but
11:05
we'll
11:07
put
11:07
the
11:07
context
11:08
as
11:10
possible.
11:10
Atomic
11:11
warfare.
11:13
And
11:13
most
11:14
of
11:14
our
11:14
military
11:14
budget
11:15
as
11:15
Canadians
11:16
was
11:16
spent
11:16
with
11:17
the
11:17
American
11:18
industrial
11:19
military
11:20
complex.
11:22
We
11:22
can't
11:22
do
11:22
that
11:23
anymore.
11:23
So
11:24
it's
11:24
backfired
11:25
horribly
11:25
on
11:25
Trump.
11:27
Let's
11:27
just
11:28
be
11:28
frank.
11:28
His
11:29
threats,
11:29
instead
11:30
of
11:31
being
11:31
statesmanlike
11:32
negotiations
11:33
with
11:33
NATO
11:34
allies,
11:35
he
11:35
has
11:36
alienated
11:36
us
11:37
all.
11:38
And
11:38
we
11:38
will
11:39
now
11:39
create
11:40
this
11:40
5%
11:41
of
11:42
our
11:42
GDP
11:43
spending
11:44
amongst
11:45
ourselves.
11:46
So
11:46
we
11:46
are
11:47
canceling
11:47
the
11:48
F35s
11:49
that
11:49
you
11:50
are
11:50
going
11:50
to
11:50
make.
11:51
We've
11:51
partnered
11:52
with
11:52
Australia
11:53
to
11:53
have
11:53
over
11:53
horizon
11:55
radar.
11:57
We're
11:57
going
11:57
to
11:57
buy
11:58
our
11:58
military
11:59
aircraft
12:01
from
12:01
possibly
12:02
Sweden
12:03
or
12:03
France.
12:05
We
12:06
will
12:06
partner
12:06
with
12:07
our
12:07
NATO
12:07
allies.
12:08
And
12:08
we
12:08
don't
12:09
really
12:09
consider.
12:10
Trump
12:11
has
12:11
removed
12:12
himself
12:12
from
12:12
NATO.
12:14
He
12:14
has.
12:14
We
12:15
have
12:15
to
12:15
respond.
12:16
We
12:16
can
12:16
no
12:16
longer
12:17
buy
12:17
military
12:18
equipment
12:18
that
12:19
we
12:19
don't
12:19
trust.
12:23
He
12:23
has
12:23
said
12:23
that
12:24
there
12:24
will
12:24
be
12:24
difficulty
12:25
with
12:25
spare
12:25
parts,
12:26
that
12:26
he
12:26
could
12:27
put
12:27
a
12:28
fail
12:29
mechanism
12:30
in
12:30
the
12:30
F35s.
12:33
So
12:34
we
12:34
will
12:34
do
12:34
our
12:35
NATO
12:35
obligation.
12:36
We
12:36
will
12:37
increase
12:37
our
12:37
military
12:38
spending,
12:38
but
12:38
it
12:38
will
12:38
be
12:39
elsewhere.
12:40
Now
12:40
he's
12:41
extorting
12:42
us
12:43
this
12:43
week.
12:44
That's
12:44
the
12:44
word.
12:44
Yeah.
12:45
With
12:47
threatening.
12:49
If
12:49
we
12:49
don't
12:50
spend
12:50
60
12:51
billion
12:51
with
12:52
his
12:52
military
12:53
industrial
12:54
complex,
12:55
his
12:56
Golden
12:56
Dome
12:57
vision
12:59
won't
13:00
include
13:00
us.
13:02
We
13:02
should
13:03
say
13:03
the
13:03
Golden
13:03
Dome
13:04
is.
13:04
A
13:04
defense
13:05
anti
13:05
ballistic
13:06
missile
13:06
defense
13:06
system.
13:07
Yeah,
13:07
yeah.
13:08
Sally,
13:09
if
13:09
there's
13:09
more
13:09
you
13:10
want
13:10
to
13:10
say
13:10
about
13:10
this
13:11
too,
13:11
but
13:11
I
13:11
wonder,
13:12
you
13:12
grew
13:12
up
13:13
in
13:14
a
13:15
very
13:15
destructive
13:16
political
13:17
environment
13:17
in
13:18
South
13:18
Africa.
13:20
So
13:20
you
13:20
see,
13:21
you've
13:21
lived
13:22
in.
13:23
Lived
13:23
in
13:23
this.
13:23
And
13:24
I
13:24
wonder,
13:25
do
13:26
you
13:26
draw?
13:27
How
13:27
do
13:27
you
13:28
put
13:28
those.
13:29
These
13:29
together
13:30
if
13:30
you
13:30
do.
13:31
Yeah.
13:32
So
13:32
I
13:32
had
13:32
a
13:33
very,
13:33
very
13:34
interesting
13:35
life,
13:35
Roger,
13:35
because
13:36
I
13:36
grew
13:36
up
13:36
in
13:36
a
13:36
country
13:37
that
13:37
was
13:37
on
13:37
the
13:38
verge
13:38
of
13:38
civil
13:38
war
13:39
in
13:39
South
13:39
Africa.
13:41
And
13:41
at
13:42
that
13:42
time,
13:43
America
13:44
was
13:44
very
13:45
instrumental
13:46
in
13:47
condemning
13:48
apartheid
13:50
and
13:50
sanctioning
13:51
South
13:51
Africa
13:52
and
13:53
being
13:53
the
13:54
moral
13:54
leader
13:55
of
13:55
the
13:56
Western
13:56
world.
13:58
I
13:59
lived
13:59
through
13:59
America
14:00
standing
14:01
in
14:01
its
14:03
righteous
14:04
contempt
14:05
of
14:05
fascism
14:07
and
14:07
abuse
14:08
of
14:10
anybody
14:10
that
14:10
wasn't
14:11
a
14:11
white
14:12
male.
14:14
So
14:14
I
14:15
grew
14:15
up
14:15
under
14:16
the
14:16
threat
14:16
of
14:17
constant
14:19
civil
14:19
war.
14:19
I
14:20
was
14:20
in
14:20
a.
14:20
For
14:20
example,
14:21
a
14:21
brief
14:22
story.
14:22
I
14:22
was
14:22
in
14:23
a
14:23
pub
14:25
and
14:25
I
14:25
left.
14:25
And
14:26
an
14:26
hour
14:26
later,
14:27
that
14:27
pub
14:27
blew
14:27
up
14:28
with
14:28
a
14:28
bomb
14:28
blast.
14:29
We
14:29
were
14:30
in
14:30
the
14:30
middle
14:30
of
14:31
horrific
14:31
civil
14:32
unrest,
14:35
which
14:35
is
14:35
why
14:35
I
14:35
came
14:36
to
14:36
Canada
14:36
in
14:37
1989.
14:38
I
14:38
did
14:39
not
14:39
want
14:39
my
14:39
two
14:40
sons
14:40
to
14:41
be
14:41
raised
14:41
in
14:41
a
14:41
civil
14:42
war
14:42
because
14:43
as
14:43
white
14:43
men,
14:44
they
14:44
would
14:45
be
14:45
conscripted
14:46
into
14:47
fighting
14:49
and
14:50
then
14:50
later
14:50
they
14:51
would
14:51
be
14:52
discriminated
14:53
against
14:53
in
14:53
the
14:54
workplace.
14:55
Once
14:55
democracy
14:56
happened,
14:57
that's
14:57
another
14:57
whole
14:59
story
14:59
of
14:59
how
15:00
South
15:00
Africa
15:00
has
15:01
become
15:02
what
15:02
it
15:03
fought
15:03
against.
15:04
That's.
15:05
Now
15:05
Trump
15:06
is
15:07
trying
15:07
to
15:08
put
15:08
the
15:08
spotlight
15:09
on
15:09
reverse
15:10
racism.
15:12
So,
15:13
long
15:13
story
15:13
short,
15:14
I
15:14
grew
15:14
up
15:15
very
15:16
politicized.
15:17
From
15:17
the
15:17
age
15:17
of
15:18
14,
15:18
I
15:19
was
15:19
aware
15:19
of
15:20
left
15:20
and
15:20
right
15:21
politics.
15:22
What
15:22
is
15:22
communism,
15:23
what
15:23
is
15:24
fascism,
15:25
what
15:25
is
15:26
Marxism?
15:27
Or
15:27
very
15:27
different
15:28
things.
15:28
And
15:28
the
15:28
language
15:29
today
15:29
is
15:29
just
15:29
thrown
15:30
around.
15:30
It
15:30
means
15:30
nothing,
15:31
but
15:31
they
15:31
have
15:31
specific
15:32
meanings.
15:34
And
15:35
I
15:35
grew
15:35
up
15:36
with
15:36
white
15:37
male
15:37
supremacy.
15:39
That
15:39
becomes
15:40
a
15:40
hegemony
15:41
in
15:41
the
15:41
culture
15:42
that
15:42
you
15:42
don't
15:42
even
15:42
know
15:43
it's
15:43
there
15:43
until
15:43
you
15:44
become
15:44
aware
15:44
of
15:44
it.
15:45
And
15:45
I
15:45
had
15:45
to
15:46
become
15:46
aware
15:46
of
15:46
it
15:48
as.
15:50
As
15:50
a
15:51
citizen
15:52
who
15:52
wanted
15:52
to
15:52
live
15:52
in
15:52
alignment
15:53
with
15:53
my
15:53
conscience.
15:56
I
15:57
had
15:57
to
15:57
either
15:57
reckon
15:58
with
15:58
how
15:58
do
15:59
I
15:59
become
15:59
an
15:59
activist
16:00
and
16:00
a
16:00
resistor
16:01
of
16:02
this,
16:02
or
16:02
do
16:03
I
16:03
leave?
16:05
There
16:06
were
16:06
lots
16:06
of
16:06
reasons
16:07
I
16:07
did
16:07
both.
16:08
I
16:08
even
16:08
fought
16:09
for
16:09
the
16:09
anti
16:10
apartheid
16:10
movement.
16:11
I
16:11
had
16:11
to
16:11
leave
16:11
the
16:12
country
16:12
to
16:12
do
16:12
that.
16:13
And
16:13
I
16:14
went
16:14
to
16:14
Britain.
16:14
There's
16:15
a
16:15
whole
16:15
thing
16:15
there.
16:16
Anyway,
16:16
so
16:16
I
16:16
did
16:16
try
16:17
that.
16:18
And
16:18
then
16:19
I
16:19
immigrated
16:20
to
16:20
Canada,
16:21
which
16:21
is
16:21
the
16:22
country
16:23
whose
16:23
politics
16:24
I
16:24
align
16:24
with
16:25
as
16:25
a
16:25
social
16:26
democracy.
16:26
I'm
16:27
a
16:27
centrist.
16:29
So
16:30
this
16:31
now
16:31
is
16:32
a
16:32
new
16:32
opportunity
16:35
to
16:36
bring
16:37
my
16:37
youth
16:38
back
16:39
into
16:39
my
16:39
awareness
16:40
and
16:40
go,
16:41
wow,
16:41
I've
16:42
seen
16:42
this
16:42
before.
16:43
This
16:43
is.
16:44
This
16:45
is
16:45
a
16:45
reversal.
16:46
The
16:46
American
16:48
idea
16:49
of
16:49
democracy
16:51
that
16:52
championed
16:54
my
16:54
values
16:56
is
16:56
now
16:56
championing
16:57
democracy
16:58
in
16:58
a
16:58
very
16:58
different
16:59
way,
17:00
which
17:01
is
17:01
looking
17:01
more
17:01
like
17:03
supremacies
17:05
and
17:05
fascism
17:06
or
17:07
a
17:07
hyper
17:08
masculine
17:09
politics.
17:11
So
17:12
one
17:12
thing
17:12
I
17:12
would
17:13
like
17:13
to
17:13
say
17:13
to
17:13
your
17:14
listeners,
17:14
because
17:14
I
17:15
have
17:16
a
17:16
very
17:17
deep
17:17
compassion
17:18
for
17:18
people
17:18
going
17:19
through
17:19
this.
17:21
I've
17:21
lived
17:21
through
17:22
it.
17:22
And
17:23
I
17:23
just
17:23
want
17:23
to
17:23
say
17:25
fascism
17:27
never
17:27
lasts
17:28
long.
17:29
It
17:30
can't.
17:30
It's
17:30
not
17:30
sustainable.
17:32
I
17:33
saw
17:33
the
17:33
end
17:34
of
17:34
it
17:34
myself
17:35
in
17:35
a
17:35
1994
17:37
fascism,
17:38
also
17:38
called
17:38
apartheid
17:39
came
17:40
to
17:40
an
17:40
end
17:41
because
17:41
the
17:41
forces
17:42
of
17:42
democracy
17:42
are
17:43
just
17:43
too
17:43
strong
17:44
and
17:45
people
17:46
won't
17:46
let
17:47
it
17:47
last.
17:48
But
17:48
when
17:49
you're
17:49
going
17:49
through
17:49
it,
17:50
it's
17:50
very
17:51
traumatic
17:51
and
17:52
it's
17:52
a
17:52
sense
17:52
of
17:53
moral
17:54
injury
17:55
for
17:56
half
17:56
the
17:56
country.
17:58
They
17:59
don't
17:59
want
18:00
to
18:00
be
18:00
part
18:00
of
18:01
what
18:01
they
18:01
see
18:01
as
18:02
abuse,
18:04
and
18:04
they
18:04
feel
18:05
silenced
18:06
because
18:06
it's
18:06
now
18:07
becoming
18:07
dangerous.
18:08
To
18:08
speak
18:08
out
18:09
or
18:10
to
18:10
even
18:10
criticize
18:12
knowing
18:12
the
18:13
steps
18:13
of
18:14
how
18:14
these
18:14
things
18:15
happen
18:17
in
18:17
my
18:18
country.
18:20
Martial
18:20
law
18:21
was
18:21
then
18:22
part
18:23
of
18:23
our
18:23
existence.
18:25
I
18:26
myself
18:26
had
18:27
my
18:27
house
18:28
watched,
18:29
my
18:29
phone
18:29
was
18:29
tapped.
18:31
There
18:31
were
18:31
even
18:31
secret
18:32
police
18:33
sent
18:33
into
18:33
my
18:34
community,
18:34
one
18:35
of
18:35
whom
18:36
tried
18:36
to
18:36
date
18:37
me
18:38
to
18:38
get
18:38
information
18:39
from
18:39
me
18:40
about
18:40
the
18:41
resistance.
18:42
So
18:43
things
18:43
become
18:43
extremely
18:44
dangerous
18:46
and
18:48
just
18:48
take
18:49
hope
18:49
from
18:49
the
18:49
fact
18:50
that
18:50
they
18:50
can't
18:51
last
18:51
because
18:51
they're
18:51
not
18:52
sustainable.
18:53
And
18:54
the
18:54
main
18:55
thing
18:55
is
18:55
to
18:55
not
18:56
fall
18:56
prey
18:57
to
18:57
violence
18:58
because
18:59
one
19:00
of
19:00
the
19:00
most
19:00
difficult
19:00
things
19:01
is
19:01
entrapment.
19:03
People
19:04
can
19:04
pretend
19:05
to
19:06
be
19:06
part
19:06
of
19:06
the
19:06
resistance
19:08
to
19:08
instigate
19:09
violence,
19:10
which
19:11
gives
19:11
reason
19:11
for
19:12
arrest
19:13
and
19:13
which
19:14
gives
19:14
reason
19:14
for
19:15
martial
19:15
law.
19:17
So
19:18
people
19:18
feeling
19:18
uncomfortable
19:19
right
19:19
now,
19:21
do
19:21
what
19:21
you
19:21
can,
19:22
use
19:23
your
19:23
voice,
19:23
use
19:23
your
19:24
legal
19:24
rights.
19:25
Resist,
19:26
but
19:26
non
19:26
violently
19:27
is
19:27
my
19:28
suggestion
19:29
because
19:29
we
19:30
don't
19:30
want
19:30
to
19:30
make
19:30
this
19:30
worse
19:31
than
19:31
it
19:31
is.
19:32
And
19:32
most
19:33
Europeans,
19:34
most
19:35
Canadians
19:36
see
19:37
it
19:37
for
19:37
what
19:37
it
19:37
is.
19:38
We're
19:38
hoping
19:38
it's
19:39
temporary.
19:39
This
19:41
presidential
19:41
term
19:42
can't
19:42
last
19:42
forever.
19:43
There
19:44
will
19:44
be
19:44
a
19:44
correction.
19:45
Yeah,
19:46
we've
19:46
got
19:46
to
19:46
stand
19:46
solid,
19:47
we've
19:47
got
19:47
to
19:48
stand
19:48
for
19:48
justice,
19:49
but
19:50
be
19:50
patient
19:50
and
19:50
non
19:51
violent.
19:52
Yeah.
19:52
Sally,
19:53
if
19:53
you
19:54
make
19:54
the
19:54
point
19:55
that
19:55
fascism
19:56
is
19:56
inherently
19:57
unstable,
19:57
it
19:57
doesn't
19:58
last.
19:58
But
19:58
one
19:59
major
19:59
reason
19:59
it
20:00
hasn't
20:00
lasted
20:03
has
20:03
been
20:04
active
20:04
resistance
20:05
and
20:06
passionate
20:07
sacrifice
20:08
by
20:08
a
20:08
lot
20:08
of
20:08
people,
20:09
in
20:09
some
20:09
cases
20:10
unfortunately,
20:11
second
20:12
World
20:12
War.
20:12
But
20:13
do
20:13
you
20:13
have
20:13
any
20:14
other
20:15
practical
20:16
how
20:16
to
20:17
steps
20:17
for
20:17
people
20:18
who
20:18
want
20:18
to
20:19
make
20:19
sure
20:20
for
20:20
this
20:20
country
20:21
doesn't
20:21
descend
20:21
into,
20:23
into
20:23
authoritarianism
20:24
or
20:25
descend.
20:26
This
20:26
is
20:26
an
20:27
extremely
20:29
sensitive
20:29
matter.
20:30
There's
20:30
always
20:32
a
20:32
line
20:33
that
20:33
cannot
20:33
be
20:34
crossed.
20:36
People
20:36
like
20:37
Gandhi,
20:38
who
20:38
was
20:39
also
20:39
in
20:39
South
20:39
Africa
20:40
and
20:40
who's
20:40
a
20:40
hero
20:41
of
20:41
mine,
20:41
people
20:42
like
20:42
Nelson
20:42
Mandela,
20:43
who
20:43
was
20:43
a
20:44
South
20:44
African,
20:44
who's
20:44
a
20:44
hero
20:45
of
20:45
mine,
20:45
these
20:46
people
20:47
I
20:47
respect
20:48
and
20:48
admire
20:50
found
20:51
ways
20:51
to
20:52
be
20:52
resistant
20:53
and
20:54
always
20:54
had
20:54
a
20:54
line
20:55
that
20:55
cannot
20:55
be
20:56
crossed.
20:56
So
20:56
establishing
20:57
what
20:57
is
20:57
that
20:58
line,
20:59
how
20:59
do
20:59
we
20:59
agree
21:00
upon
21:00
that
21:00
line
21:00
and
21:01
what
21:01
are
21:01
the
21:01
actions
21:02
we
21:02
will
21:02
take
21:02
once
21:03
that
21:03
line
21:03
is
21:04
crossed?
21:05
And
21:06
those
21:07
two
21:07
gentlemen
21:08
were
21:08
both
21:09
lawyers,
21:09
it's
21:10
important
21:10
to
21:10
note
21:11
they
21:11
knew
21:11
the
21:12
law
21:13
backwards
21:15
so
21:15
they
21:16
fought
21:16
legally,
21:17
which
21:17
your
21:18
justice
21:19
system
21:19
is
21:20
doing.
21:21
This
21:21
week
21:22
Trump's
21:23
tariffs
21:23
have
21:23
been
21:24
denounced
21:24
as
21:25
illegal.
21:26
So
21:26
that's
21:26
the
21:26
one
21:27
front
21:27
is
21:27
do
21:27
it
21:28
non
21:28
violently
21:28
with
21:29
the
21:29
law,
21:30
do
21:30
it
21:30
with
21:30
sit
21:31
ins
21:31
and
21:32
marches
21:32
and
21:32
protests.
21:33
But
21:33
there's
21:33
a
21:34
line
21:34
that
21:34
if
21:35
that's
21:35
crossed,
21:36
there
21:36
has
21:36
to
21:36
be
21:37
physical
21:38
resistance.
21:39
Mandela
21:40
himself
21:41
chose
21:42
to
21:42
do
21:43
that.
21:43
He,
21:44
that's
21:45
why
21:45
they
21:45
locked
21:45
him
21:45
up,
21:46
because
21:46
he,
21:47
he
21:47
said
21:47
there
21:48
that
21:48
is
21:48
a
21:48
possibility.
21:49
If
21:50
it
21:50
was.
21:51
Yeah,
21:52
so
21:52
what
21:53
he
21:53
did
21:53
and
21:53
he's
21:54
the
21:54
only
21:54
person
21:54
to
21:55
have
21:55
got
21:55
a
21:55
Nobel
21:56
Peace
21:56
Prize
21:56
and
21:57
be
21:57
a
21:57
terrorist.
21:59
So
21:59
the
21:59
two
21:59
exist.
22:01
There
22:02
needs
22:02
to
22:02
be
22:02
a
22:02
line
22:02
that's
22:03
demarcated
22:04
and
22:04
articulated.
22:05
And
22:05
at
22:06
some
22:06
point
22:06
he
22:07
chose
22:07
to
22:08
take
22:08
up
22:09
arms.
22:09
He
22:09
actually
22:10
left
22:10
the
22:10
country.
22:12
He
22:12
got
22:13
funding
22:14
from
22:14
other
22:14
countries
22:15
and
22:15
created
22:16
an
22:16
army.
22:16
In
22:17
contra
22:17
was
22:18
seaswe
22:18
and
22:19
he
22:19
armed
22:19
Russian.
22:20
The
22:20
Russians
22:21
armed
22:21
him
22:21
with
22:22
AK47s
22:23
and
22:24
he
22:24
started
22:24
blowing
22:25
up
22:25
infrastructure
22:27
and
22:27
then
22:27
they
22:28
arrested
22:28
him
22:29
as
22:29
a
22:29
terrorist.
22:30
He
22:31
called
22:31
himself
22:31
a
22:32
freedom
22:32
fighter.
22:33
So
22:33
that's
22:33
interesting.
22:35
And
22:35
they
22:35
put
22:36
him
22:36
in
22:36
prison
22:36
for
22:37
27
22:37
years
22:39
and
22:39
then
22:40
he
22:40
was
22:40
able
22:40
to
22:41
come
22:41
out
22:41
and
22:41
negotiate
22:43
the
22:43
new
22:44
dispensation.
22:46
So
22:47
at
22:47
some
22:48
point
22:50
we
22:50
don't
22:51
do
22:51
conciliation.
22:54
Neville
22:54
Chamberlain
22:55
discovered
22:56
that
22:56
sometimes
22:57
conciliation
22:59
is
22:59
a
23:00
disaster.
23:01
Yeah.
23:01
How
23:01
did
23:01
that
23:01
work
23:02
with
23:02
Putin
23:02
by
23:02
the
23:02
way?
23:03
You
23:03
know,
23:04
didn't
23:04
do
23:04
a
23:04
damn
23:04
thing.
23:05
And
23:05
on
23:06
the
23:06
other
23:06
hand,
23:07
Gandhi
23:07
for
23:08
example
23:10
was
23:10
absolutely
23:11
committed
23:11
to
23:11
non
23:12
violence,
23:12
as
23:12
was
23:13
Martin
23:13
Luther
23:13
King.
23:14
Yeah,
23:14
two
23:15
different
23:15
paths.
23:16
One
23:16
takes
23:17
a
23:17
lot
23:17
longer
23:19
but
23:20
eventually
23:21
fascism
23:22
falls.
23:23
So
23:24
that's
23:24
interesting.
23:25
One
23:25
is
23:26
violent
23:26
and
23:26
one
23:26
is
23:27
nonviolent.
23:28
You
23:28
have
23:28
to
23:28
have
23:29
massive
23:29
amounts
23:29
of
23:30
coordination
23:30
for
23:31
the
23:31
non
23:31
violent
23:32
path.
23:32
You
23:32
have
23:33
to
23:33
have
23:33
massive
23:34
collective
23:36
sit
23:36
ins,
23:37
protests,
23:38
disabling
23:39
of
23:39
function,
23:42
but
23:42
it
23:42
does
23:42
capitulate
23:43
regimes
23:44
Capitulate,
23:45
Yeah.
23:46
How
23:46
do
23:46
you
23:46
awaken
23:46
the
23:46
American
23:47
conscience?
23:47
You
23:48
know,
23:48
is
23:48
a
23:49
good
23:49
question
23:49
to,
23:50
you
23:50
know,
23:50
what
23:51
we
23:52
thought
23:52
we
23:53
were.
23:53
There
23:54
is
23:54
a
23:54
study
23:54
out
23:54
of
23:54
Harvard
23:55
which
23:55
is
23:55
getting
23:55
a
23:55
lot
23:56
of
23:56
press
23:56
at
23:56
the
23:56
moment
23:57
which
23:57
argues
23:58
that
23:59
looking
23:59
across
24:00
historical
24:00
examples,
24:01
it
24:01
takes
24:01
somewhere
24:02
between
24:02
3
24:02
and
24:03
4%
24:03
of
24:03
the
24:03
population
24:04
actively
24:05
involved
24:06
in
24:06
civil
24:06
resistance
24:07
or
24:08
of
24:08
one
24:08
kind
24:08
or
24:09
another
24:09
in
24:10
order
24:10
to
24:11
affect
24:12
dramatic
24:13
transformation.
24:14
So
24:14
Roger,
24:15
just
24:15
to
24:15
encourage
24:16
you
24:16
that
24:16
the
24:16
rest
24:16
of
24:17
the
24:17
world
24:17
is
24:18
with
24:18
the
24:19
50%
24:20
who
24:20
are
24:20
struggling
24:21
with
24:21
this
24:22
regime
24:23
and
24:24
let
24:24
me
24:24
tell
24:24
you,
24:24
we're
24:25
becoming
24:25
coordinated
24:26
resistors
24:27
too.
24:28
So
24:28
in
24:29
South
24:29
Africa,
24:31
external
24:31
coordinated
24:32
resistance
24:33
helped
24:33
collapse
24:35
the
24:35
regime.
24:35
We're
24:36
doing
24:36
that
24:36
now.
24:38
So
24:39
Canadians
24:39
have
24:39
stopped
24:40
buying
24:41
American
24:41
products,
24:43
we've
24:43
stopped
24:43
traveling
24:44
to
24:45
America.
24:45
That's
24:45
billions
24:46
of
24:46
dollars.
24:47
We're
24:47
not
24:47
supporting
24:48
your
24:48
military
24:49
industrial
24:49
complex.
24:51
We're
24:51
coordinating
24:52
with
24:53
new
24:53
economic
24:54
partnership,
24:56
including
24:57
brics
24:57
if
24:58
need
24:58
be,
24:59
that
24:59
China,
25:00
Russia,
25:01
Indian
25:02
and
25:02
South
25:03
African
25:03
community,
25:04
which
25:04
is
25:04
extremely
25:05
powerful.
25:07
If
25:07
America
25:08
wants
25:09
to
25:09
sanction
25:10
Mexico
25:10
and
25:11
Canada,
25:12
we
25:12
need
25:12
to
25:13
supply
25:13
and
25:14
market
25:14
elsewhere.
25:16
So
25:19
that
25:20
refusal
25:20
to
25:21
play
25:21
with
25:21
Trump
25:23
is
25:23
going
25:23
to
25:24
help
25:24
the
25:24
50%
25:25
of
25:25
Americans
25:25
who
25:26
don't
25:26
agree
25:26
with
25:26
Trump
25:28
because
25:29
they're
25:29
going
25:29
to
25:29
feel
25:30
it
25:30
financially
25:31
and
25:31
sadly
25:32
that's
25:32
sometimes
25:32
the
25:32
only
25:33
way
25:33
to
25:33
get
25:33
non.
25:34
That's
25:34
truly
25:34
sometimes
25:35
the
25:35
only
25:35
way.
25:35
I
25:36
have
25:36
a
25:36
conservative
25:36
friend
25:37
and
25:38
it
25:38
was
25:38
all
25:39
good.
25:39
Trump
25:39
was
25:39
doing
25:40
a
25:40
good
25:40
thing,
25:40
but
25:40
he
25:40
did,
25:41
he
25:41
deals
25:41
in
25:42
the
25:42
fertilizer
25:42
industry.
25:43
So
25:43
then
25:44
all
25:44
the
25:44
fertilizer
25:45
stuff
25:45
that
25:45
we
25:45
get
25:45
from
25:46
Canada
25:47
for
25:47
our
25:47
farmers
25:47
here,
25:48
all
25:48
of
25:48
a
25:48
sudden
25:49
the
25:50
prices
25:50
are
25:50
going
25:50
up
25:51
and
25:51
all
25:51
of
25:51
a
25:51
sudden
25:51
he
25:52
kind
25:52
of
25:52
develop
25:53
a
25:53
conscience.
25:53
Oh,
25:53
maybe
25:54
this
25:54
is
25:54
not
25:54
okay.
25:55
And
25:55
it's
25:55
really
25:55
sad
25:56
and
25:56
sorry,
25:57
but
25:57
when
25:57
it
25:57
starts
25:58
threatening
25:59
your
25:59
wallet,
26:00
you
26:00
know,
26:00
and
26:00
your,
26:01
your,
26:01
your
26:01
businesses
26:02
and
26:02
then
26:04
people
26:04
resist,
26:05
you
26:05
know,
26:05
and,
26:05
and
26:06
some
26:06
people
26:06
just
26:06
have
26:07
a
26:07
conscience
26:07
that
26:07
can
26:07
just
26:08
see
26:08
it
26:08
from
26:08
a
26:08
higher
26:08
level
26:09
and
26:09
realize
26:09
how
26:10
wrong
26:10
it
26:10
is.
26:10
I'm,
26:11
I'm
26:11
really
26:11
impressed
26:12
with
26:12
your
26:12
analysis.
26:13
You
26:13
know,
26:13
we
26:14
went
26:14
from
26:14
Taoism
26:15
to
26:15
world
26:15
politics
26:17
very
26:17
well
26:17
and
26:18
you're
26:19
really
26:19
a
26:19
good
26:21
example
26:21
of
26:21
masculine
26:22
and
26:22
feminine
26:23
thinking
26:24
in
26:24
one
26:24
package.
26:25
I
26:25
must
26:25
say.
26:27
It's
26:27
painful
26:27
to
26:28
listen
26:28
to,
26:29
but
26:29
it's
26:30
really
26:30
good.
26:30
Thank
26:31
you.
26:32
So
26:32
just
26:33
to
26:33
help
26:34
your
26:34
listeners
26:35
who
26:35
are
26:36
American,
26:38
Canadians
26:39
still
26:39
love
26:40
you
26:41
very,
26:42
very
26:42
much.
26:43
We're
26:43
trying
26:44
to
26:45
be
26:45
strategic
26:47
with
26:47
our
26:48
own
26:48
counter
26:49
tariffs
26:50
red
26:50
states,
26:51
we're
26:51
counter
26:52
terrifying
26:53
red
26:53
states
26:54
because
26:54
we
26:54
understand
26:55
the
26:55
blue
26:55
states
26:56
are
26:57
feeling
26:57
really
26:57
abandoned
26:58
right
26:59
now.
27:00
We're
27:00
supporting
27:01
you
27:02
in
27:03
this
27:03
way
27:03
even
27:03
though
27:04
it's
27:04
painful.
27:05
So
27:06
just
27:06
to
27:06
say
27:06
that
27:07
we
27:07
understand
27:08
that
27:08
this
27:08
is
27:08
the
27:09
leadership
27:09
that
27:10
we're
27:11
questioning,
27:12
not
27:12
the
27:12
American
27:13
people
27:13
in
27:13
general.
27:15
That'S
27:16
very
27:16
big
27:16
of
27:17
you,
27:17
Sally.
27:17
I'm
27:18
really
27:18
impressed
27:19
at
27:19
how
27:19
extremely
27:19
well
27:20
informed
27:20
you
27:21
are
27:21
about
27:22
what
27:22
John
27:22
was
27:23
saying
27:23
of
27:23
a
27:24
range
27:24
of
27:24
things
27:25
from
27:25
art
27:25
and
27:25
therapy
27:26
to
27:27
contemporary
27:28
politics.
27:28
And
27:29
you're
27:29
very
27:29
well
27:30
informed
27:30
about
27:30
contemporary
27:31
politics
27:32
and
27:32
some
27:32
of
27:32
the
27:32
issues
27:33
and
27:33
factors
27:34
about
27:35
government,
27:35
etc.
27:36
Do
27:36
you
27:37
have
27:37
any,
27:37
do
27:38
you
27:38
have
27:38
reflections
27:39
on
27:39
the
27:39
fact
27:39
that
27:40
this
27:41
rise
27:41
of
27:42
authoritarianism
27:43
is
27:43
not
27:43
unfortunately
27:45
isolated
27:46
to
27:46
America,
27:47
but
27:47
is
27:47
happening
27:48
in
27:48
many
27:48
parts
27:48
of
27:49
the
27:49
world?
27:49
Hungary,
27:51
Turkey,
27:51
etc.
27:52
And
27:53
unfortunately
27:54
some
27:54
of
27:54
our
27:54
politicians
27:55
have
27:55
been
27:55
going
27:55
and
27:57
bowing
27:58
at
27:58
the
27:58
feet
27:58
of
27:59
the
27:59
Hungarian
28:00
president.
28:01
So
28:02
any
28:02
comments
28:02
on
28:03
the
28:03
larger
28:04
movement
28:04
here
28:04
towards
28:05
authoritarianism?
28:06
Yeah,
28:07
this
28:07
is
28:07
a
28:07
very
28:07
tricky
28:08
question
28:09
because
28:10
I
28:10
think
28:10
we're
28:10
moving
28:11
from
28:13
nationalism
28:14
now
28:14
into
28:14
a
28:15
more
28:15
world
28:16
centric
28:17
perspective.
28:18
So
28:18
when
28:19
we
28:19
get
28:19
to
28:19
look,
28:20
try
28:20
to
28:20
look
28:20
at
28:20
the
28:21
global
28:22
dynamics,
28:23
the
28:23
macroeconomics
28:24
of
28:24
this,
28:25
there's
28:25
polarization
28:26
happening.
28:28
China,
28:29
Russia,
28:29
America
28:30
being
28:31
the
28:31
biggest
28:31
place
28:32
players.
28:34
Those
28:34
presently
28:36
with
28:36
the
28:36
present
28:37
current
28:38
regime
28:38
in
28:38
America
28:39
are
28:40
right
28:40
wing
28:41
institutions.
28:43
So
28:44
at
28:44
the
28:44
top,
28:45
we've
28:45
got
28:45
a
28:45
lot
28:45
of
28:47
top
28:47
down
28:50
leadership
28:51
that
28:51
wants
28:51
to
28:52
do
28:53
social
28:53
engineering
28:55
on
28:55
their
28:55
cultures
28:56
and
28:57
are
28:57
happy
28:57
to
28:58
use
28:59
propaganda
28:59
and
28:59
misinformation
29:02
and
29:02
large
29:03
militaries
29:04
to
29:07
including
29:08
in
29:09
America
29:10
the
29:10
encouragement
29:11
of
29:11
militias
29:12
right
29:12
now.
29:13
So
29:13
using
29:14
the
29:14
law
29:15
and
29:16
the
29:16
military
29:16
against
29:17
their
29:17
own
29:17
people.
29:19
So
29:19
that's
29:19
problematic.
29:20
Globally.
29:21
There's
29:21
this
29:22
power
29:22
play
29:23
between
29:23
the
29:23
three
29:23
biggest
29:24
players
29:24
and
29:25
they're
29:25
all
29:26
conservative,
29:27
militaristic,
29:28
right
29:28
wing,
29:30
male
29:30
dominated
29:33
philosophies
29:35
that
29:35
played
29:36
down.
29:36
There's
29:36
no
29:37
trickle
29:37
up,
29:39
it's
29:39
oligarchal.
29:41
So
29:43
the
29:43
rest
29:44
of
29:44
the
29:44
minor
29:45
players,
29:45
like
29:46
the
29:46
new
29:47
alliances
29:47
in
29:48
Europe,
29:48
Japan,
29:50
Australia,
29:51
New
29:51
Zealand
29:51
and
29:52
Canada,
29:53
South
29:53
Korea,
29:54
where
29:54
democracies
29:55
that
29:57
have
29:57
different
29:58
value
29:58
sets
29:59
but
29:59
we're
29:59
not
29:59
as
29:59
powerful.
30:01
So
30:01
that's
30:01
really
30:01
interesting.
30:03
Our
30:03
only
30:03
way
30:04
to
30:04
become
30:04
powerful
30:05
is
30:05
to
30:06
unite
30:07
and
30:07
we're
30:07
doing
30:07
that
30:08
through
30:08
our
30:08
democratic
30:09
values
30:09
and
30:10
our
30:10
economic
30:10
trade.
30:11
We
30:11
have
30:12
to
30:12
survive
30:12
this
30:14
and
30:15
we
30:15
will
30:15
pull
30:16
together
30:17
as
30:17
the
30:17
fourth
30:18
pull.
30:19
We
30:19
have
30:19
to
30:20
do
30:20
that.
30:22
What's
30:23
complicating
30:24
this
30:24
is
30:25
the
30:25
American
30:26
oligarchs,
30:27
who
30:28
we
30:28
would
30:28
call
30:29
the
30:29
techno
30:30
bros
30:31
who
30:32
are
30:32
using
30:33
their
30:33
digital
30:34
weapons
30:36
to
30:37
cause
30:38
divisiveness
30:39
in
30:39
the
30:40
fourth
30:40
pole.
30:41
In
30:41
other
30:41
words,
30:42
destroy
30:42
Europe
30:44
by
30:44
trying
30:45
to
30:45
make
30:45
it
30:45
more
30:46
right
30:46
wing.
30:46
They
30:47
naturally
30:47
tend
30:47
towards
30:48
social
30:48
democracy
30:49
and
30:49
Scandinavian
30:50
countries
30:51
in
30:51
particular
30:52
have
30:52
the
30:52
highest
30:53
happiness
30:53
levels,
30:54
the
30:54
highest
30:55
levels
30:55
of
30:55
education,
30:56
the
30:57
highest
30:58
medical
30:58
care.
31:00
Social
31:01
democracy
31:01
is
31:02
labeled
31:02
as
31:03
communism.
31:03
In
31:04
America.
31:04
It's
31:04
not
31:04
even
31:05
accurate,
31:05
but
31:06
that
31:06
what
31:06
we're
31:07
up
31:07
against
31:07
is
31:07
the
31:08
misinformation
31:09
and
31:09
the
31:09
lies
31:10
that
31:10
the
31:10
tech
31:10
bros
31:11
are
31:11
spreading
31:12
about
31:12
the
31:13
failure
31:14
of
31:14
democracy.
31:16
They
31:16
never
31:17
cite
31:18
the
31:18
beautiful
31:19
examples
31:19
we
31:19
have
31:20
of
31:20
social
31:20
democracies
31:21
that
31:21
are
31:21
highly
31:22
functional.
31:24
So
31:24
they're
31:24
using
31:25
their
31:25
digital
31:27
abilities
31:28
to
31:29
grow
31:32
right
31:32
wing
31:32
platforms
31:33
in
31:34
other
31:34
people's
31:34
countries.
31:35
And
31:35
they
31:36
particularly
31:37
are
31:37
preying
31:38
upon
31:39
young
31:40
men.
31:41
So
31:41
we
31:42
have
31:42
that
31:42
issue
31:43
is
31:43
the
31:43
radicalization
31:46
of
31:46
young
31:46
men
31:48
back
31:49
to
31:49
a
31:50
right
31:50
wing
31:51
ideal
31:53
of
31:53
the
31:53
50s
31:55
that
31:55
never
31:55
existed
31:56
for
31:56
anybody
31:57
else
31:57
but
31:58
white
31:58
men.
31:59
The
31:59
50s
32:00
were
32:00
a
32:00
disaster
32:01
for
32:01
everybody
32:01
else.
32:03
But
32:03
they're
32:03
growing
32:04
this
32:04
narrative
32:05
that
32:05
if
32:06
you
32:06
don't
32:07
militarize
32:08
as
32:09
a
32:09
group
32:10
and
32:10
insist
32:11
that
32:11
everybody
32:12
else
32:12
submit
32:12
to
32:13
you,
32:13
you
32:14
will
32:14
have
32:14
lost
32:14
all
32:15
your
32:15
privileges.
32:17
So
32:17
this
32:17
right
32:18
wing
32:18
tendency
32:19
to
32:19
militarize,
32:21
reassert
32:22
a
32:22
certain
32:22
type
32:23
of
32:23
masculinity,
32:26
not
32:26
an
32:26
integral
32:27
masculinity,
32:28
a
32:29
hyper
32:29
masculinity
32:30
of
32:32
needing
32:32
subservience
32:34
and
32:35
being
32:35
prepared
32:36
to
32:36
fight
32:36
for
32:36
your
32:37
privilege
32:38
that
32:39
that's
32:39
coming
32:39
into
32:40
play
32:40
here.
32:41
It's
32:42
a
32:42
very
32:42
complex
32:43
issue.
32:43
So
32:43
there's
32:44
a
32:44
ground
32:44
up
32:45
problem
32:45
of
32:45
the
32:46
radicalization
32:47
of
32:47
young
32:48
white
32:48
men
32:50
and
32:50
a
32:50
global
32:51
problem
32:51
of
32:51
a
32:52
swing
32:52
to
32:52
the
32:52
right
32:53
with
32:53
the
32:53
Polariz.
32:57
Sally.
32:57
I
32:57
had
32:57
a
32:58
family
32:58
member
32:58
who
32:59
is
32:59
kind
33:00
of
33:00
in
33:00
the
33:00
Fox
33:00
News
33:01
bubble,
33:01
right,
33:02
Lives
33:02
in
33:02
that
33:03
universe.
33:04
She
33:04
wasn't
33:04
aware
33:05
of
33:05
any
33:05
of
33:06
the
33:06
stuff
33:06
about
33:06
Trump
33:06
and
33:07
what
33:07
he's
33:07
done
33:07
to
33:07
Canada.
33:08
So
33:08
there's
33:09
a
33:09
large
33:09
part
33:09
of
33:09
the
33:09
population
33:10
that
33:11
they
33:11
don't
33:11
hear
33:11
that
33:12
they
33:12
don't
33:12
hear
33:12
that
33:12
on
33:13
their
33:13
news
33:13
so
33:14
called.
33:14
That's
33:15
been
33:15
a
33:15
tremendous
33:16
hurt
33:16
for
33:17
this.
33:17
How
33:17
successful
33:18
these
33:18
propaganda
33:19
issues
33:19
have
33:20
been
33:20
in
33:21
organizing
33:21
people
33:22
under
33:23
these
33:24
right
33:24
wing
33:24
basically
33:25
lies.
33:26
And
33:26
Elon
33:27
Musk
33:27
has
33:27
been
33:27
going
33:27
over
33:27
to
33:28
Europe
33:28
and
33:28
meeting
33:28
with
33:29
the
33:29
leaders
33:29
of
33:29
these
33:30
far
33:30
right
33:30
parties
33:31
in
33:31
Germany
33:31
and
33:32
in
33:32
Britain,
33:33
I
33:33
know
33:33
for
33:33
sure.
33:34
So
33:34
there
33:35
is
33:35
that
33:35
kind
33:35
of
33:36
using
33:36
his
33:36
wealth
33:36
and
33:37
influence
33:37
to
33:39
stir
33:39
that
33:39
up.
33:39
But
33:40
at
33:40
the
33:40
same
33:40
time
33:40
it's
33:41
causing
33:41
people
33:41
to
33:41
go,
33:42
hey,
33:42
democracy
33:42
is
33:43
precious,
33:44
you
33:44
know.
33:44
And
33:44
there
33:44
was
33:45
a
33:45
novel,
33:45
I
33:45
forget
33:45
that
33:46
Sinclair
33:46
Lewis
33:47
I
33:47
think
33:47
wrote
33:47
back
33:47
in
33:47
the
33:48
30s
33:48
in
33:48
the
33:48
United
33:48
States.
33:49
And
33:49
it
33:49
was
33:49
called
33:50
It
33:50
Can't
33:50
Happen
33:51
Here.
33:52
And
33:52
it
33:52
was
33:52
about
33:52
a
33:53
populist
33:53
politician
33:54
who
33:54
got
33:54
elected
33:55
and
33:55
moved
33:55
United
33:56
States
33:56
into
33:56
a
33:56
fascist
33:57
system.
33:58
We
33:58
heard
33:58
that
33:58
in
33:58
the
33:58
60s
33:59
too,
33:59
I
33:59
think
33:59
was
33:59
Frank
34:00
Zappa
34:01
wrote
34:01
a
34:01
song
34:01
or
34:01
an
34:02
album,
34:02
you
34:02
can't
34:02
happen
34:03
here.
34:03
And
34:03
we
34:03
always
34:03
thought
34:04
that,
34:04
thought
34:04
we
34:04
were
34:05
above
34:05
it.
34:05
It
34:05
couldn't
34:05
happen.
34:06
We're
34:06
America,
34:07
we
34:07
have
34:07
democracy.
34:07
It's
34:08
what
34:08
we
34:08
do.
34:08
We
34:09
led
34:09
the
34:09
world.
34:10
There
34:10
are
34:10
constitutional
34:11
ideas
34:11
and
34:11
all
34:12
this
34:12
stuff,
34:13
but
34:13
it
34:13
is
34:13
happening
34:15
and
34:15
it
34:15
can
34:15
happen,
34:16
but
34:16
it
34:17
can
34:17
also
34:20
make
34:20
people
34:20
appreciate
34:21
freedom
34:21
more
34:22
and
34:22
do
34:22
what
34:23
they
34:23
have
34:23
to
34:23
do
34:23
to
34:24
conserve
34:24
it
34:25
and
34:26
hopefully
34:26
bring
34:26
it
34:27
back.
34:27
And
34:27
hopefully
34:27
this
34:28
is
34:28
just
34:28
a,
34:28
a
34:29
small
34:32
it.
34:33
It.
34:34
As
34:34
you're
34:34
saying
34:34
fascism
34:35
can't
34:35
last
34:36
for
34:36
long.
34:36
Let's
34:37
hope
34:37
that
34:38
it
34:38
doesn't
34:38
last
34:39
very
34:39
long
34:39
in
34:39
America.
34:40
Kind
34:40
of
34:41
wakes
34:41
up
34:41
and
34:41
go,
34:42
no,
34:42
this
34:42
is
34:42
not
34:43
okay.
34:43
And
34:43
it
34:43
may
34:44
cause.
34:44
It
34:44
may
34:44
take
34:45
a
34:45
financial
34:46
disaster
34:47
to
34:47
happen
34:47
for
34:48
people
34:48
to
34:49
actually
34:53
resist.
34:54
John,
34:54
I'd
34:54
love
34:54
to
34:55
add
34:55
one
34:55
point
34:56
to
34:56
that
34:56
and
34:56
that
34:56
is,
34:57
although
34:57
it
34:58
seems
34:58
like
34:58
we're
34:59
repeating
34:59
history
35:01
and
35:01
that
35:01
we've
35:02
seen
35:02
this
35:02
before,
35:04
there's
35:04
new
35:04
elements
35:05
that
35:05
we've
35:05
never
35:06
seen
35:06
before.
35:07
So
35:07
I
35:07
don't
35:07
want
35:07
to
35:07
be
35:07
smug
35:08
and
35:08
always
35:08
say
35:09
this,
35:09
this
35:09
will
35:09
end.
35:10
We
35:10
have
35:11
added
35:12
challenges,
35:13
one
35:14
of
35:14
which
35:14
is
35:14
climate
35:15
change
35:15
that
35:16
we're
35:16
ignoring
35:17
because
35:18
right
35:19
wing
35:19
fascist
35:20
leaders
35:20
like
35:21
to
35:21
keep
35:21
your
35:21
attention
35:22
in
35:22
a
35:22
small
35:22
bubble.
35:23
So
35:23
there's
35:24
that.
35:24
That's
35:24
new.
35:25
We
35:25
never
35:25
faced
35:26
that
35:26
before.
35:26
The
35:26
other
35:26
one
35:27
is
35:27
AI
35:29
and
35:29
the
35:29
fact
35:30
that
35:30
the
35:30
tech
35:30
Bros
35:31
have
35:31
now
35:32
taken
35:32
over
35:32
the
35:33
skies.
35:35
Satellites.
35:36
The
35:37
satellites.
35:37
And
35:38
they
35:38
will
35:38
be
35:39
using
35:39
that
35:41
weaponry.
35:42
It
35:42
will
35:42
turn
35:42
to
35:43
weaponry,
35:43
which
35:44
is
35:44
part
35:44
of
35:44
the
35:44
Golden
35:45
Dome
35:45
project,
35:46
by
35:46
the
35:46
way.
35:46
It
35:46
will
35:46
be
35:47
from
35:47
the
35:47
skies.
35:49
And
35:49
so
35:49
the
35:49
tech
35:50
bros
35:51
have
35:52
a
35:52
body
35:52
of
35:53
knowledge
35:53
that
35:53
nobody
35:54
else
35:54
understands.
35:55
And
35:56
they
35:56
will
35:56
be
35:57
assuming
35:58
total
35:58
power
35:59
because
35:59
they
36:00
can,
36:01
because
36:01
we
36:01
haven't
36:01
stopped
36:02
them,
36:02
because
36:02
nobody
36:03
has
36:03
put
36:03
limits
36:04
on
36:05
AI.
36:06
That's
36:06
a
36:07
huge
36:07
danger
36:07
that
36:08
we
36:08
have
36:08
never
36:08
faced
36:09
before.
36:09
So
36:09
I
36:09
don't
36:09
want
36:10
to
36:10
be
36:10
smug
36:10
and
36:10
say
36:10
fascism
36:11
always
36:12
ends
36:13
traditionally
36:14
it
36:14
has
36:14
where
36:14
we
36:15
have
36:15
new
36:15
challenges,
36:16
one
36:17
of
36:17
which
36:18
is
36:19
that
36:19
the
36:20
American
36:20
tech
36:21
bros
36:22
and
36:22
I
36:23
include
36:23
Elon
36:24
Musk
36:24
and
36:25
Peter
36:25
Thiel
36:26
were
36:26
both
36:27
South
36:27
Africans.
36:29
Interesting.
36:32
History.
36:33
And
36:33
I
36:33
just
36:34
want
36:34
to
36:34
briefly
36:34
talk
36:35
about
36:35
that.
36:36
They
36:37
grew
36:37
up
36:37
in
36:38
apartheid.
36:41
They
36:42
advocate
36:42
for
36:43
white
36:43
male
36:44
supremacy
36:45
and
36:46
they
36:46
call
36:46
that
36:46
Western
36:47
ideology.
36:48
So
36:49
some
36:49
of
36:50
this
36:50
is
36:50
correct,
36:51
some
36:51
of
36:51
it's
36:52
not.
36:52
I
36:52
don't
36:52
want
36:52
to
36:52
be
36:55
the
36:55
one
36:55
thing
36:55
they
36:56
advocate
36:56
for,
36:57
which
36:57
is
36:57
a
36:57
new
36:59
aspect
36:59
of
37:00
the
37:00
fascist
37:00
dilemma
37:01
that
37:02
we
37:02
haven't
37:02
faced
37:03
before
37:04
is
37:04
what
37:05
they
37:05
call
37:05
the
37:06
great
37:06
replacement
37:07
theory.
37:10
They
37:10
are
37:10
scared
37:12
that
37:12
white
37:13
people
37:13
are
37:13
not
37:14
reproducing
37:15
at
37:16
the
37:16
same
37:16
rate
37:17
as
37:17
other
37:17
people.
37:19
From
37:19
their
37:20
supremacy
37:21
perspective,
37:22
this
37:23
puts
37:23
Western
37:24
civilization
37:26
under
37:26
threat.
37:27
They're
37:28
not
37:28
from
37:28
Utah
37:28
apparently,
37:30
and
37:30
they're.
37:30
Blaming
37:31
women
37:32
because
37:32
women
37:33
become
37:33
empowered
37:34
and
37:35
they're
37:35
not
37:35
reproducing
37:36
at
37:36
the
37:36
same
37:36
rate.
37:37
So
37:37
white
37:38
women,
37:40
this
37:40
is
37:41
behind
37:41
the
37:42
scenes.
37:42
White
37:43
women
37:43
are
37:43
to
37:44
them
37:45
the
37:45
critical
37:47
linchpin
37:48
of
37:49
their
37:49
theory.
37:49
They
37:50
need
37:50
to
37:51
take
37:51
back
37:51
their
37:51
bodily
37:52
sovereignty.
37:53
They
37:53
need
37:53
to
37:54
remove
37:54
their
37:55
abortion
37:55
rights
37:56
and
37:56
they
37:56
need
37:57
to,
37:57
this
37:57
is
37:57
coming,
37:58
remove
37:59
contraception
38:01
and
38:02
they
38:02
need
38:02
to
38:02
start
38:02
propagandizing
38:04
about
38:05
women
38:05
staying
38:06
in
38:06
the
38:06
home,
38:07
recreating
38:08
the
38:09
50s
38:09
and
38:09
having
38:10
seven
38:10
babies.
38:12
Yeah,
38:13
and
38:13
we
38:13
should
38:13
probably
38:14
point
38:14
out,
38:14
Sally,
38:15
that
38:15
this
38:15
is
38:15
also
38:16
part
38:16
of
38:16
a
38:16
larger
38:17
picture
38:18
that
38:18
a
38:18
similar
38:18
thing
38:19
is
38:19
happening
38:20
both
38:20
in
38:20
China
38:20
and
38:21
Russia
38:22
with
38:22
similar
38:23
kind
38:23
of
38:23
attitudes
38:24
towards
38:24
women
38:25
and
38:26
considerable
38:26
political
38:27
pressure
38:28
to
38:28
have
38:28
more
38:29
kids.
38:31
So
38:31
this
38:31
is
38:31
part
38:32
of
38:32
the
38:32
right
38:32
wing
38:34
move
38:36
in
38:36
the
38:36
three
38:37
major
38:37
powers.
38:38
So
38:38
this
38:38
is
38:38
interesting,
38:39
Roger,
38:39
you
38:40
point
38:40
this
38:40
out.
38:40
This
38:40
is
38:41
now
38:41
a
38:41
global
38:42
trend
38:43
to
38:43
make
38:44
women
38:44
responsible
38:45
for
38:45
the
38:45
future
38:46
of.
38:47
It's
38:48
basically
38:48
eugenics.
38:49
It's
38:49
eugenics.
38:50
Musk
38:51
himself
38:52
has.
38:53
Believes
38:53
his
38:55
DNA
38:55
is
38:55
superior
38:56
and
38:56
he
38:56
has
38:57
14
38:57
babies
38:58
that
38:58
we
38:58
know
38:58
of
38:58
and
38:59
some
39:00
people
39:00
say
39:00
making
39:01
his
39:01
sperm
39:01
freely
39:02
available.
39:03
This
39:04
is
39:04
a
39:04
new
39:04
aspect
39:05
to
39:05
the
39:05
fascism.
39:06
Eugenics
39:07
has
39:07
always
39:07
been
39:07
there,
39:08
but
39:08
now
39:09
it
39:09
can
39:09
be
39:09
propagated
39:10
across
39:10
the
39:10
world
39:11
through
39:11
the
39:11
digital
39:11
Internet.
39:12
Well,
39:12
it
39:12
was
39:12
definitely
39:13
the
39:13
Nazi
39:14
Nazi
39:14
plan.
39:15
I
39:15
mean
39:15
it
39:15
goes
39:15
right
39:16
back
39:16
to
39:16
Adolf
39:17
Hitler
39:17
and
39:18
Nazi
39:18
Germany.
39:18
The
39:19
same
39:19
thing
39:19
with
39:20
women
39:20
and
39:21
the
39:21
master
39:21
race
39:22
and
39:22
white
39:22
people
39:23
and
39:23
women
39:24
were
39:24
breeders.
39:25
That
39:25
was
39:26
their
39:26
primary
39:27
function.
39:28
Yeah,
39:29
so
39:29
that's
39:29
why
39:29
you
39:30
take
39:30
women
39:30
out
39:30
of
39:30
the
39:31
military,
39:31
take
39:31
them
39:32
out
39:32
of
39:32
all
39:32
the
39:32
leadership,
39:33
you
39:33
take
39:33
away
39:34
their
39:34
physical
39:35
bodily
39:35
sovereignty,
39:36
you
39:36
take
39:36
away
39:36
contraception
39:37
and
39:37
abortion.
39:39
We're
39:39
left
39:39
with
39:40
economic
39:40
dependence
39:41
on
39:41
men
39:41
again,
39:42
which
39:42
is
39:42
what
39:42
they
39:43
would
39:43
like,
39:43
so
39:44
that
39:44
we
39:44
Become
39:45
basically
39:46
breeders
39:47
again.
39:48
Yeah.
39:50
And
39:50
I
39:50
was
39:51
going
39:51
to
39:51
mention,
39:52
there's
39:52
approximately
39:53
11,000
39:54
satellites
39:55
above
39:55
the
39:55
Earth,
39:56
summer
39:56
stationary.
39:57
And
39:57
some
39:57
are
39:57
circling.
39:59
And
39:59
although
39:59
11,000,
40:00
Elon
40:01
Musk
40:01
owns
40:01
7,000
40:03
of
40:03
these
40:03
satellites,
40:05
people
40:05
don't
40:06
realize
40:06
it.
40:06
Fact
40:06
check
40:07
me
40:07
on
40:07
this.
40:07
Okay.
40:08
Fact
40:08
check
40:08
everything.
40:09
If
40:09
he,
40:10
if
40:10
he
40:10
could
40:10
do
40:10
what
40:10
he
40:11
did
40:11
in
40:11
Ukraine,
40:11
which
40:12
is
40:12
cut
40:12
off
40:12
their
40:13
Internet
40:13
to
40:14
make
40:14
them
40:14
behave,
40:16
South
40:16
Africa's
40:17
noted
40:17
that
40:17
and
40:18
won't
40:18
take
40:19
Starlink
40:20
because
40:20
they
40:20
don't
40:21
want
40:21
to
40:21
give
40:21
Musk
40:22
that
40:22
power
40:23
over
40:23
there.
40:25
So
40:25
if
40:26
he
40:27
part
40:27
of
40:28
Trump's
40:29
tariff
40:29
deals
40:30
now
40:30
have
40:30
become.
40:31
We
40:31
will
40:32
make
40:32
a
40:32
deal
40:32
with
40:32
you
40:32
if
40:32
you
40:33
take
40:33
Starlink.
40:35
Yeah,
40:36
yeah.
40:37
So
40:38
global
40:38
domination
40:40
in
40:40
the
40:40
future
40:41
is
40:41
who
40:42
has
40:42
control
40:43
of
40:43
the
40:43
skies.
40:47
Because
40:47
not
40:47
only
40:48
will
40:48
that
40:48
be
40:48
the
40:49
communication
40:49
points,
40:50
it
40:50
will
40:50
be
40:51
digital
40:52
surveillance,
40:52
it
40:53
will
40:53
also
40:53
be
40:53
weaponry,
40:55
the
40:55
golden
40:56
dome.
40:57
So
40:57
we
40:58
are
40:58
facing
40:58
challenges
40:59
with
40:59
fascism
41:01
as
41:01
a
41:01
repeat
41:02
cycle,
41:02
but
41:02
in
41:03
a
41:03
whole
41:03
new
41:03
level.
41:05
Yeah,
41:05
we
41:05
never
41:05
had
41:06
the
41:06
tools
41:06
before
41:06
that
41:07
we
41:07
have
41:07
now.
41:07
They
41:08
didn't
41:08
have
41:08
the
41:08
tools.
41:12
Yeah,
41:13
it's
41:13
a
41:13
whole
41:13
new
41:14
range
41:14
of
41:14
challenges.
41:15
And
41:16
I'd
41:16
like
41:16
to
41:16
add
41:17
something,
41:17
Sally,
41:18
to
41:18
your
41:18
points
41:18
about
41:19
how
41:19
do
41:20
we,
41:20
how
41:20
do
41:20
we
41:20
respond?
41:22
And
41:23
it
41:23
seems
41:23
like,
41:24
you
41:24
know,
41:24
you've,
41:25
you've
41:25
made
41:25
some
41:25
cogent
41:26
suggestions,
41:27
but
41:27
it
41:28
seems
41:28
like
41:28
the
41:28
very
41:30
question,
41:31
what
41:31
can
41:32
I
41:32
do?
41:32
What's,
41:32
you
41:33
know,
41:33
how,
41:33
how
41:33
do
41:33
I,
41:34
how
41:34
can
41:34
I
41:34
respond?
41:36
First,
41:36
I
41:36
think
41:36
there
41:37
it's
41:37
a
41:37
particular
41:37
kind
41:38
of
41:38
question.
41:38
It's,
41:39
it's
41:39
not
41:39
just
41:40
something
41:40
you,
41:40
you
41:40
have
41:41
an
41:41
answer
41:41
immediately.
41:42
It's
41:42
really
41:42
a
41:42
wisdom
41:43
question
41:43
which
41:43
requires
41:44
pondering
41:44
over
41:44
time.
41:46
And
41:46
there's
41:46
no,
41:47
unlike
41:47
a
41:47
simple
41:48
knowledge
41:48
question,
41:48
it
41:49
doesn't
41:49
have
41:49
a
41:49
one
41:49
time
41:49
answer.
41:50
It
41:50
can
41:51
unfold
41:51
as
41:52
we
41:53
feel
41:53
deeper
41:53
into
41:54
the
41:54
question
41:54
and
41:55
deeper
41:55
into
41:55
ourselves.
41:56
So
41:57
this
41:57
question,
41:57
you
41:58
know,
41:58
for
41:58
responding
41:59
to
42:00
multiple
42:00
things,
42:01
whether
42:01
it's,
42:02
you
42:02
know,
42:02
climate
42:02
change
42:03
or,
42:04
or
42:04
authoritarianism,
42:06
you
42:06
know,
42:06
is
42:07
what
42:07
can
42:07
I
42:07
do?
42:07
But
42:08
below
42:08
that,
42:08
there's
42:09
a
42:09
question
42:09
of
42:10
what's
42:11
what
42:11
calls
42:12
me
42:13
because
42:13
there's
42:13
so
42:13
many
42:14
responses
42:15
that
42:15
are
42:15
needed.
42:15
And
42:16
so
42:16
what's
42:16
the
42:16
one,
42:17
what
42:17
kind
42:17
of
42:18
suffering,
42:18
what
42:18
issue,
42:19
what
42:19
challenge
42:20
calls
42:21
me
42:21
and
42:21
moves
42:22
me
42:22
and
42:22
resonates
42:23
in
42:23
my
42:23
heart?
42:23
And
42:23
we're
42:24
much
42:24
more
42:24
likely
42:24
to
42:24
be
42:25
to
42:25
maintain
42:26
focus
42:27
and
42:28
effective
42:28
work
42:29
for
42:29
something
42:29
we
42:29
feel
42:29
impassioned
42:30
about.
42:31
The
42:32
third
42:32
question
42:32
is,
42:33
what's
42:33
the
42:33
most
42:33
strategic
42:34
thing
42:34
I
42:34
can
42:35
do?
42:36
Those
42:37
of
42:37
us
42:37
who
42:37
are
42:37
unfortunate,
42:38
privileged
42:39
positions
42:39
have
42:40
a
42:40
number
42:40
of
42:40
things
42:41
we
42:41
could
42:41
probably
42:41
do.
42:42
But
42:43
the
42:43
question
42:44
becomes,
42:45
what's
42:45
the
42:45
most
42:45
strategic
42:46
thing
42:46
I
42:46
can
42:47
do?
42:47
And
42:48
where
42:48
do
42:48
I,
42:48
where
42:48
should
42:49
I
42:49
put
42:49
my
42:49
energy?
42:51
And
42:52
so
42:52
it
42:52
feels
42:52
like
42:52
all
42:53
those
42:53
are
42:53
a
42:54
part
42:54
of
42:54
this.
42:54
And
42:54
then
42:55
for
42:55
those
42:55
of
42:55
us
42:55
of
42:55
a
42:56
spiritual
42:57
orientation,
42:57
it's
42:58
all
42:58
part
42:58
of
42:58
a
42:59
lifelong
42:59
question.
43:00
How
43:00
do
43:00
I
43:00
live
43:01
my
43:01
life
43:01
so
43:01
as
43:01
to
43:01
be
43:02
an
43:02
effective
43:02
instrument
43:03
of
43:03
service,
43:05
of
43:05
awakening,
43:06
of
43:06
helping,
43:06
of
43:06
healing.
43:07
So
43:07
these
43:08
are,
43:08
these
43:09
are
43:09
just
43:10
to
43:10
acknowledge
43:10
how
43:11
deep
43:11
these
43:11
questions
43:12
that
43:13
you're
43:13
raising
43:13
go
43:14
and
43:15
that
43:15
they
43:16
are
43:16
gonna,
43:17
they're
43:17
probably
43:18
questions
43:18
which
43:18
will
43:19
be
43:19
with
43:19
us
43:20
hopefully
43:20
for
43:21
the
43:21
rest
43:21
of
43:21
our
43:21
lives.
43:22
Hopefully
43:22
not,
43:23
not
43:23
about
43:24
fascism
43:24
and
43:25
authoritarianism.
43:26
Hopefully,
43:26
you're
43:26
right.
43:27
And
43:27
that
43:27
will,
43:28
that
43:28
will
43:28
pass
43:29
not
43:29
only
43:29
in
43:30
America,
43:30
but
43:30
in
43:30
many
43:31
places.
43:32
But
43:32
these
43:33
kind
43:33
of
43:33
questions
43:34
will
43:34
remain
43:35
because
43:35
the
43:35
great
43:36
issues
43:36
that
43:36
we're
43:37
facing,
43:37
as
43:37
you're
43:38
pointing
43:38
out,
43:39
not
43:40
short
43:40
term,
43:41
they're
43:42
with
43:42
us
43:42
for
43:43
a
43:43
long,
43:43
long
43:44
time.
43:44
And
43:44
we're
43:45
going
43:45
to
43:45
have
43:45
to
43:46
live
43:46
with
43:46
and
43:47
respond
43:47
to
43:48
them
43:48
if
43:49
we're
43:49
to
43:50
maintain
43:52
even
43:52
a
43:52
survivable
43:53
planet.
43:56
Yeah,
43:56
you
43:56
asked
43:56
the
43:57
perennial
43:57
question.
43:59
Really,
43:59
Roger,
43:59
which
44:00
is
44:00
how
44:00
to
44:00
stay
44:00
on
44:01
your
44:01
bricks.
44:03
How
44:03
to
44:03
stay
44:04
on
44:04
the
44:04
bricks.
44:04
Okay,
44:05
that's
44:05
a
44:05
good
44:05
question.
44:06
I
44:06
learned
44:06
in
44:06
China
44:07
from
44:08
the
44:08
master
44:08
was
44:09
how
44:09
do
44:09
you
44:10
stay
44:10
grounded?
44:11
How
44:11
do
44:12
you
44:12
stay
44:12
balanced?
44:13
How
44:13
do
44:13
you
44:13
meet
44:14
your
44:14
opponent?
44:15
How
44:15
do
44:15
you
44:15
learn
44:15
when
44:16
to
44:16
surrender?
44:17
These
44:18
are
44:18
the
44:18
perennial
44:19
questions.
44:19
So
44:20
I
44:20
do
44:20
believe
44:21
that
44:21
even
44:22
though
44:22
it
44:22
feels
44:23
intense
44:24
right
44:24
now,
44:25
intensity
44:26
is
44:26
in
44:26
cycles.
44:28
We've
44:28
had
44:29
50
44:29
years
44:29
of
44:30
peace
44:30
and
44:30
calm,
44:31
economic
44:32
prosperity,
44:33
and
44:33
now
44:33
we're
44:34
back
44:34
in
44:34
a
44:34
cycle
44:35
of
44:35
pressure.
44:37
And
44:37
in
44:38
cycles
44:38
of
44:39
pressure,
44:39
the
44:39
masculine
44:40
always
44:40
comes
44:41
to
44:41
the
44:41
fore.
44:42
That's
44:43
the
44:43
fight
44:43
and
44:43
flight
44:44
and
44:44
the
44:44
autonomic
44:45
nervous
44:45
system.
44:46
In
44:47
times
44:47
of
44:47
peace,
44:48
we
44:48
go
44:48
back
44:49
into
44:49
parasympathetic
44:51
and
44:51
we
44:51
can
44:51
relax
44:51
and
44:52
create
44:54
so
44:55
we
44:55
can.
44:56
My
44:57
brief
44:57
answer
44:58
to
44:58
you
44:58
would
44:58
be
44:59
understand
44:59
polarity.
45:01
We're
45:01
in
45:02
a
45:02
complex
45:03
system
45:04
of
45:06
working
45:06
with
45:06
the
45:06
nervous
45:07
system
45:07
at
45:08
the
45:08
core.
45:09
Am
45:09
I
45:09
in
45:09
fight
45:10
and
45:10
flight
45:10
because
45:11
my
45:11
survival
45:11
is
45:12
threatened?
45:12
Am
45:13
I
45:13
in
45:13
rest
45:14
and
45:14
digest
45:15
because
45:17
I'm
45:17
safe?
45:18
I
45:18
can
45:18
go
45:18
into
45:18
my
45:19
feminine
45:20
or
45:20
do
45:20
I
45:21
go
45:21
into
45:21
my
45:21
masculine?
45:23
Learning
45:23
to
45:24
self
45:25
regulate
45:26
is
45:26
to
45:27
me
45:27
the
45:27
fundamental
45:30
skill
45:30
that
45:31
I'm
45:31
daily
45:32
tested
45:33
with
45:33
right
45:33
now.
45:33
I
45:34
have
45:34
a
45:35
suggestion.
45:35
I
45:36
don't
45:36
think
45:36
it
45:37
works
45:38
to
45:38
out
45:38
argue
45:38
somebody.
45:40
Get
45:40
all
45:40
your
45:40
bullet
45:41
points
45:41
and
45:41
just
45:42
bury
45:42
them.
45:42
It
45:42
just
45:43
use,
45:43
it
45:43
causes
45:43
resistance.
45:44
One
45:44
thing
45:45
that
45:45
I've
45:45
tried
45:46
to
45:46
do
45:46
and
45:47
it
45:47
ain't
45:47
easy
45:48
is
45:48
to
45:48
learn,
45:49
for
45:49
example,
45:49
why
45:50
MAGA
45:50
feels
45:51
the
45:51
way
45:51
they
45:51
do
45:52
and
45:52
to
45:53
be
45:53
able
45:53
to
45:53
explain
45:54
to
45:54
them
45:55
in
45:55
language
45:55
they
45:56
can
45:56
understand
45:56
why
45:57
they
45:57
feel
45:57
that
45:57
way
45:58
and
45:58
they
45:58
feel
45:59
deeply
45:59
heard
46:00
and
46:00
deeply
46:01
understood.
46:02
And
46:03
at
46:03
that
46:03
point
46:04
communication
46:06
can
46:06
start
46:06
to
46:06
happen.
46:07
But
46:07
if
46:07
we
46:07
just
46:07
get
46:07
angry
46:08
and
46:08
blow
46:08
up,
46:09
know
46:09
Goddamn
46:10
Nazis
46:10
and
46:11
blah,
46:11
blah,
46:11
blah,
46:11
blah.
46:12
Can't
46:12
you
46:12
see
46:12
what's
46:12
going
46:12
on?
46:12
That,
46:13
that
46:13
doesn't
46:14
help.
46:14
But
46:15
there
46:15
is
46:15
a
46:15
way
46:15
of,
46:16
of
46:16
deeply
46:16
understanding
46:17
why
46:17
these
46:17
people
46:18
have
46:18
made
46:18
the
46:19
choices
46:19
they've
46:20
made
46:20
and
46:21
seeing
46:21
it
46:21
through
46:21
their
46:22
eyes
46:22
and
46:22
still
46:23
being
46:23
compassionate
46:24
and,
46:24
and
46:25
to,
46:25
to
46:25
operate
46:26
from
46:26
that,
46:26
that
46:27
very
46:27
open
46:27
and
46:28
deeply
46:28
compassionate
46:29
level,
46:29
but
46:30
at
46:30
the
46:30
same
46:30
time
46:31
with,
46:32
with
46:32
courage
46:32
and
46:33
strength.
46:33
So
46:33
it's,
46:34
it's
46:34
quite
46:34
a,
46:35
Quite
46:35
an
46:35
order.
46:36
Well,
46:36
we're
46:36
talking
46:37
about
46:37
an
46:37
art
46:37
here
46:38
and
46:38
a
46:38
skill.
46:39
Yeah.
46:40
Sally,
46:40
we're
46:40
probably
46:41
coming
46:41
towards
46:41
the
46:42
end
46:42
of
46:42
our
46:42
time
46:42
here.
46:43
Is
46:43
there
46:44
anything
46:44
else
46:45
you'd
46:45
like
46:45
to
46:45
add?
46:47
I
46:48
can
46:48
only
46:48
speak
46:48
from
46:48
my
46:49
own
46:49
experience
46:50
that
46:50
I
46:51
am
46:53
really
46:53
enjoying
46:54
connecting
46:55
with
46:55
nature
46:57
while
46:57
it's
46:57
still
46:58
here.
46:59
Yes.
47:00
I
47:01
find
47:01
that
47:01
a
47:01
daily
47:01
practice
47:02
for
47:02
me
47:02
to
47:03
stay
47:03
grounded.
47:03
I
47:04
actually
47:04
go
47:04
dig
47:04
in
47:05
the
47:05
soil.
47:05
I
47:05
have
47:05
a
47:05
garden
47:06
and
47:07
I
47:07
get
47:08
really
47:09
into
47:09
big
47:09
picture
47:10
stuff
47:10
by
47:11
looking
47:11
at
47:11
soil
47:12
and
47:12
how
47:12
weeds
47:14
operate.
47:14
Just
47:15
in
47:15
the
47:15
garden
47:16
is
47:16
the
47:17
same
47:17
dynamic
47:18
of
47:18
who
47:18
are
47:18
the
47:18
competitive
47:19
plants,
47:20
who
47:20
are
47:20
the
47:20
symbiotic
47:21
parasites.
47:23
As
47:24
I'm
47:24
weeding,
47:25
I
47:25
see
47:25
this
47:25
as
47:26
pattern
47:27
of
47:27
emergence.
47:29
It's
47:29
everywhere.
47:30
And
47:31
how
47:31
do
47:31
we
47:31
tend
47:31
that
47:32
garden
47:33
is
47:34
the
47:34
perennial
47:34
question.
47:35
And
47:35
that
47:35
garden
47:36
is
47:36
right
47:36
inside
47:36
me
47:37
as
47:37
well.
47:37
It's
47:38
in
47:38
my
47:38
gut.
47:38
It's
47:38
in
47:39
my
47:39
bio.
47:41
The
47:42
competition
47:43
and
47:44
cooperation
47:45
that
47:45
Darwin
47:46
noticed
47:48
is
47:48
at
47:48
every
47:49
scale
47:49
of
47:49
existence,
47:50
and
47:50
it's
47:51
inside
47:51
me
47:52
too.
47:53
So
47:54
just
47:54
noticing
47:54
I'm
47:55
a
47:55
fractal
47:55
of
47:56
the
47:56
cosmic
47:56
principles
47:57
and
47:58
how
47:58
to
47:58
work
47:58
with
47:58
that
47:59
dynamic
47:59
is,
48:00
for
48:00
me,
48:00
a
48:00
lifetime's
48:01
journey.
48:01
If
48:02
I
48:02
just
48:02
do
48:02
that
48:02
one
48:03
thing,
48:03
I'll
48:03
be
48:03
happy.
48:06
That's
48:06
beautiful.
48:06
I
48:06
love
48:07
your.
48:08
It
48:08
sounds
48:09
like
48:09
your
48:09
Taoist
48:10
side
48:10
is
48:11
coming,
48:11
coming
48:12
out
48:12
here.
48:12
And
48:13
I
48:13
have
48:13
a
48:13
sense
48:14
of
48:14
you,
48:15
you
48:16
doing
48:16
what
48:16
the
48:17
channel.
48:17
One
48:17
of
48:17
the
48:17
challenges
48:18
for
48:18
all
48:18
of
48:19
us
48:19
is
48:19
to
48:19
do
48:19
is
48:20
to
48:20
flow
48:20
with,
48:22
flow
48:22
with
48:22
the
48:22
moment.
48:23
And
48:23
as
48:23
the
48:24
Dallas
48:25
would
48:25
say,
48:25
or
48:25
in
48:26
Confucians
48:26
even
48:27
more
48:27
to,
48:29
to
48:29
feel
48:29
into
48:30
what
48:30
is
48:30
called
48:30
for
48:31
and
48:31
appropriate
48:31
in
48:32
this
48:32
moment.
48:34
Yeah.
48:34
And
48:34
I
48:35
just
48:35
wanted
48:35
to
48:35
put
48:36
this
48:36
in.
48:36
You
48:36
were
48:36
talking
48:37
about
48:37
nature
48:38
the
48:38
day
48:38
after
48:38
Trump
48:39
was
48:39
reelected.
48:40
I
48:40
got
48:40
my
48:41
truck
48:41
and
48:41
my
48:41
dog
48:41
and
48:42
we
48:42
went
48:42
out
48:42
into
48:42
the
48:42
high
48:42
deserts
48:43
of
48:43
Utah
48:44
and
48:44
just
48:44
hung
48:44
out
48:45
there
48:45
in
48:45
this
48:45
vast,
48:46
open,
48:47
incredibly
48:47
beautiful
48:47
place.
48:48
And
48:48
it
48:48
really
48:49
helped
48:49
me,
48:50
you
48:50
know,
48:51
I,
48:51
I
48:51
should,
48:51
I,
48:52
I
48:52
other.
48:52
If
48:52
I'd
48:53
have
48:53
just
48:53
stayed
48:53
in
48:53
the
48:53
house
48:53
and
48:54
I'd
48:54
have
48:54
been
48:54
much
48:54
more
48:55
depressed
48:55
and
48:55
much
48:56
more
48:56
beaten.
48:56
But
48:57
just
48:58
the
48:58
power
48:58
of,
48:59
of
48:59
the
48:59
natural
48:59
world
49:00
that,
49:01
that
49:02
we
49:02
come
49:02
from
49:03
is
49:06
palliative.
49:07
It's,
49:07
it's
49:07
healing.
49:08
It
49:08
helps.
49:09
I'm
49:09
not
49:10
exactly
49:10
sure
49:10
why,
49:11
but
49:11
I
49:11
spent
49:11
a
49:11
lot
49:12
of
49:12
time
49:12
in
49:12
wilderness,
49:12
and
49:12
it.
49:13
And
49:13
it
49:13
does
49:13
seem
49:13
to
49:13
help,
49:14
whether
49:15
you're,
49:15
you
49:15
know,
49:15
you
49:15
have
49:16
your
49:16
little
49:16
rose
49:17
in
49:17
the
49:17
window
49:18
that
49:18
you
49:18
water
49:18
every
49:19
day
49:19
or
49:19
whatever,
49:19
or
49:20
you
49:20
go
49:20
out
49:20
in
49:20
the
49:20
wilderness
49:21
or
49:21
go
49:21
to
49:22
the
49:22
parks
49:22
like
49:22
you're
49:22
talking
49:23
about
49:23
the
49:23
Chinese
49:24
in
49:24
the
49:24
center.
49:25
Connecting
49:25
with
49:26
nature
49:27
helps
49:27
us
49:28
to
49:28
be
49:28
connected
49:28
with
49:29
deeper
49:30
patterns
49:30
of
49:30
existence
49:31
and
49:31
get
49:32
through
49:32
these
49:32
dark,
49:32
hard
49:33
times.
49:34
Yeah,
49:35
I
49:35
really
49:35
go
49:36
back
49:36
to
49:36
the
49:36
couple
49:36
of
49:37
sentences
49:37
at
49:37
the
49:37
beginning.
49:38
Meaning
49:39
is
49:39
found
49:39
in
49:39
work.
49:40
Love
49:41
and
49:41
appreciation
49:42
of
49:42
beauty
49:43
is
49:43
the
49:43
one
49:43
I'd
49:44
add.
49:44
And
49:44
so
49:44
those
49:44
are
49:45
my
49:45
daily
49:45
practices,
49:46
and
49:47
it
49:47
gives
49:47
me
49:47
all
49:47
the
49:48
meaning
49:48
I've
49:48
ever
49:48
needed.
49:49
I
49:49
don't
49:49
have
49:50
a
49:50
meaning
49:50
crisis.
49:51
Well,
49:52
it's
49:52
beautiful
49:52
that
49:53
you
49:53
rediscovered
49:54
for
49:54
yourself
49:55
the
49:55
same
49:55
conclusions
49:56
that
49:56
Sigmoid.
49:57
Sigmund
49:57
Freud
49:58
came
49:58
to,
49:58
that
49:58
what
49:59
counted
49:59
in
49:59
the
49:59
end
50:00
was
50:00
love
50:00
and
50:00
work.
50:01
Yeah.
50:02
Beautiful.
50:02
And
50:03
you've
50:03
produced
50:03
some
50:04
beautiful
50:04
work.
50:05
Sally.
50:05
Your
50:07
art
50:07
therapy
50:08
and
50:08
your
50:08
work
50:09
with
50:09
survivors
50:10
and
50:10
refugees
50:11
is
50:11
incredible.
50:12
And
50:12
your
50:12
book,
50:12
Art
50:13
Making
50:13
with
50:13
Refugees
50:14
and
50:14
Survivors,
50:15
is
50:15
profoundly
50:16
moving.
50:17
So
50:17
thank
50:18
you
50:18
very
50:18
much
50:18
for
50:19
all
50:19
you've.
50:19
You've
50:20
done
50:20
and
50:20
are
50:21
doing,
50:21
and
50:21
thank
50:21
you
50:21
for
50:21
your
50:22
very
50:22
deep
50:22
reflections
50:23
on
50:23
the
50:24
larger
50:25
social
50:25
political
50:26
issues.
50:27
Really,
50:27
really,
50:28
really
50:28
useful.
50:28
Thank
50:29
you.
50:29
Yeah.
50:30
As
50:31
we
50:31
come
50:31
to
50:31
an
50:31
end.
50:31
Thank
50:32
you.
50:32
Thank
50:32
you
50:33
also
50:33
to
50:33
our
50:33
team
50:34
who
50:35
make
50:35
this
50:35
possible
50:35
behind
50:36
the
50:36
behind
50:37
the
50:37
scenes,
50:37
our
50:38
manager,
50:38
Heidi
50:39
Mitchell,
50:39
and
50:40
our
50:40
tech
50:40
whiz,
50:41
Vanessa
50:41
Santos,
50:42
without
50:42
whom
50:43
this
50:43
would
50:43
not
50:44
be
50:44
appearing.
50:44
So
50:45
thank
50:45
you,
50:45
everyone,
50:46
and
50:46
thank
50:46
you.
50:47
Listening
50:48
and
50:48
I
50:48
might
50:48
add,
50:49
the
50:49
community
50:49
that
50:49
is
50:50
has
50:50
latched
50:50
onto
50:51
this
50:51
thing
50:51
and
50:51
made
50:51
it
50:52
grow
50:52
much
50:52
faster
50:52
than
50:53
we
50:53
ever
50:53
imagined
50:54
that
50:54
support
50:54
this
50:55
podcast
50:55
and
50:55
for
50:56
the
50:56
incredible
50:56
people
50:57
that
50:57
we
50:57
get
50:57
to
50:59
connect
50:59
with
50:59
and
51:00
for
51:00
all
51:00
of
51:00
you
51:00
out
51:00
there,
51:01
God
51:01
bless
51:01
and.
51:02
And
51:02
let's
51:02
get
51:03
through
51:03
this
51:03
together.
51:04
Thank
51:04
you.
51:04
John
51:04
and
51:04
Roger,
51:05
thank
51:05
you
51:06
very
51:06
much
51:06
for
51:06
being
51:07
a
51:07
part
51:07
of
51:07
this
51:07
conversation.
51:08
We
51:09
hope
51:09
that
51:09
you
51:09
were
51:09
moved,
51:10
as
51:10
we
51:10
are
51:11
moved,
51:11
being
51:11
part
51:11
of
51:12
it
51:12
ourselves.
51:13
We'd
51:13
also
51:13
like
51:13
to
51:14
say
51:14
that
51:14
this
51:14
is
51:14
being
51:15
funded
51:15
by
51:16
Roger
51:16
and
51:16
myself.
51:16
It
51:17
comes
51:17
out
51:17
of
51:17
our
51:17
pockets.
51:18
So
51:18
if
51:18
you
51:18
would
51:18
like
51:18
to
51:18
help
51:19
us
51:19
to.
51:20
Mainly
51:20
to
51:20
get
51:21
this
51:21
podcast
51:21
out
51:21
to
51:22
more
51:22
people
51:22
because
51:23
the
51:23
bigger
51:23
audience
51:23
have,
51:24
which
51:24
is
51:24
steadily
51:24
growing,
51:25
but
51:25
the
51:25
more
51:25
people
51:25
we
51:26
can
51:26
reach
51:26
and
51:26
the
51:26
more
51:26
marketing
51:27
we
51:27
can
51:27
do,
51:28
the
51:28
more
51:28
positive
51:29
effect
51:29
we
51:29
can
51:29
have
51:29
on
51:30
the
51:30
world.
51:30
So
51:30
we've
51:31
done
51:31
that
51:31
a
51:31
couple
51:31
of
51:31
ways,
51:32
but
51:32
we'd
51:32
like
51:32
you
51:32
to
51:32
buy
51:33
us
51:33
a
51:33
cup
51:33
of
51:33
coffee.
51:34
Very
51:34
simple.
51:34
And
51:35
I
51:35
do
51:35
that
51:35
with
51:35
podcasts
51:36
that
51:36
I
51:37
support,
51:37
and
51:38
I
51:38
find
51:38
it's
51:38
very
51:39
satisfying.
51:39
So
51:40
thank
51:40
you
51:40
for
51:40
your
51:40
help.
51:41
Thank
51:41
you
51:41
for
51:41
your
51:41
presence.
51:42
And
51:42
thank
51:42
you
51:42
for
51:43
all
51:43
you
51:43
are
51:43
and
51:44
all
51:44
you
51:44
do.
51:44
We
51:45
love
51:45
you.
51:51
Sa.