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S4 E12 TCWT Live! Unveiling Darkness_ Stalker Cases · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Yeah, it's a good married colle did see even the worst part. Weekend
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  is going by days Thursday Creek getting the Bostan start getting this out of the
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  crowd, came up bust still to sell it. Sails out. You can
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  tell about I'm looking at this showing already gold. I love the beheaded crown.
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  So the res no standing body had set, you know, because I
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  want to wait anybody answers that I put you to show. I know all
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  you night weird, wicked, Hello everybody, and welcome to a true crime
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  and One time Live Bye. Can you hear me? Yeah? I can
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  hear you. Can you hear me? Yeah? You're just looking at me
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  like you couldn't hear. The music was still going, Oh or are you?
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  Are you listening to the YouTube channel? Hit the make the YouTube mute
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  that sucker, There won't be a delay. It happens. Yeah, okay,
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  I think we're better. Oh that's good, guys. I was really
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  getting worried that I was losing my mind. I mean, we all are
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  so Hello Jen, Jen, that's your great Dane right next to you.
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  I can tell I don't need a big picture to note. Angie. Hello,
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  Well, I know you're here captain Ola. Yes, I was laughing
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  about this with Terry when he wrote it, like, I don't know what
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  it was at some point. At some point, I guess I will.
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  But sometimes you always have to say thank you for whatever you're going to get.
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  May I have another, uh jaded hello, let's see here, Linda,
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  Hello Ola? Hello? Uh mom? Arry? Oh another Terry just
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  with two rs. Let's see. Well, you know my birth name was
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  with two rs. Oh, well, hello, hello patches. He went
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  from two to one. I was born t E R R Y, and
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  I changed it thirteen years ago to t E R I. I can see
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  this because everybody kept thinking I was going to be a man when I showed
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  up and I was like, nope, I'm not I'm all of this,
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  so I changed it. Oh, woman's all this. I blame Haul Cogan
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  for that one, because his name's Terry and everybody hello Bell. Parents were
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  told I was going to be a boy, so then they decided, oh,
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  we'll just come up with a name that works for either. Yeah,
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  it didn't work, Barry. I think like at some point, uh,
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  nurses need to have a veto option. Mm hmmm mm hmm yep. Oh
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  my gosh, I'm gonna lose my mind. Last time it was your voice.
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  This time it's the microphone, right. Yes, I finally mostly have
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  the voice back. There is still a higher register that I'm working on,
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  but it's back, thankfully. Let's see, uh, what else we got
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  going on? So that's everybody, thank so far. That's that's popped in.
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  Hello, thank you for joining us. We're glad you're here. We
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  have quite the the episode tonight because I'll be telling you my Ian Watkins story
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  from the one last time that I was supposed to say, and then we
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  are going to hop into the actual theme of the night night, which are
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  stocking cases. Not stockings like for your legs, but stalking cases. Stalls.
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  I told somebody and they're like, oh, you're doing a case about
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  nylons stalking not doing that. Speaking of stalking, did you ever see the
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  TV show Silk Stalkings with MIXI capturing Rob Estes. You need to watch it
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  if you can find it still, mixy am I t z I I think
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  is what it was. Capture Like you capture a photo that's not a real
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  name, is it. I mean, it's been a long time. Let
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  me go give it a goog but the show is called Silk Stalkings. But
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  rob Estes is really really hot, and it was a good It was a
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  good show and she's beautiful. Captain says, Oh my gosh. We used
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  to watch silks Talkings at sleepovers because we thought it was adult I know,
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  but it was so good. I owned DVDs of it and rob it is
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  m I t z I KA P t U r E. But rob Estes
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  was married to Josie Bissett from Melrose Place. Yeah. I never saw that
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  either. I forget you're young. I'm no, I'm just only half rainbow.
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  I'm not the full rainbow. So but silk Stocking is it's like a
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  law and Order so they're detectives. Oh okay, I got it. I
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  mean it's about killing people. Oh well, what year were you? No,
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  I was commenting on Melrose I was in the seven okay, because this
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  came on in ninety one. Silk Stockings, so you were just a pup
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  my uh I was. I want to let everybody know who was kind of
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  part of night Court that you've given My father like a big head, because
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  the other day I was on the phone with him and he said, so
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  when are you gonna have your star back on and I was like, what
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  are you talking about. I was like going through my list of people that
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  we had on Night Court and I was like, what are you what star?
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  And he was like me duh. I was like, I was like,
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  Dad, but Papa Bruce Crame wants to come back on. I was
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  like, you haven't met Terry yet. That could be fun. I talked
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  to him on the I did. I did meet him. They were at
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  your house and he came in the room and we did meet. That's right,
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  you did. Yes, yes, yes, you met that way,
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  just not streaming together. We should have him come on. Yes, I
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  would love to have him on. It's probably gonna be a little bit of
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  time. They're done in Florida helping my brother get Sitch waited since he's PCs
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  down there or moved there. So yeah, uh so it'll be a little
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  while, but I'd love to have him back. We'll pick something that he's
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  interested in. We'll maybe we'll do like historical something or another. He loves
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  the history. Look at look at all these people. Well, like I
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  said, I assume he's awesome because apples do not fall far from the trees.
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  Yeah, the jokes are just as bad too, so you know we're
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  consistent about that. So, Kerry, what are you drinking tonight? I
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  am drinking an odd combo. It is raspberry cranberry sparkling water with four pumps
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  of watermelon simple syrup and two shots of Tito's. I could get behind that.
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  You're the non alcoholic piece of that. That is, you know your
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  liquid right your mixer. There are more syllables in that than many other drinks.
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  I like the simple syrup because it it doesn't have calories, but it
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  adds great flavor. Ah and like they have it lavender. Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, you need to order that in the beginning of the night and
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  not at the end. Yes, yes, but nowhere can you It's you
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  can't get it in bars. I came across the syrups at home goods store
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  because a girlfriend bought me the rose one when I was doing dry January,
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  so I could put the rose flavor and my sparkling water and still feel like
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  I was drinking. So then I ventured into I have their lavender blueberry salted
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  caramel goes in our coffee. Then we do the mocha the vanilla because I
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  have a coffee bar, and now I've added them to the bar bar.
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  It's a clean drink. It is because it sounds good. I want so
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  I love Chris. I love the holidays for many reasons. One you brought
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  up and reminded me of the lovely obviously the holiday gift boxes and stuff that
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  they put together for beer and liquor and stuff like that. Liquor I hardly
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  know her, so so I found this box sized bos buddles and also a
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  glass. And this is called Delirium Noel. Delirium's the brewery and it's a
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  Belgian ale. But this brewery has been around since sixteen fifty four, so
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  they're doing something good. It is from Belgium. It's not like the breweries
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  based in Belgium and it gets brewed in the state. This is from Belgium.
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  But it was like twenty three dollars for two of these pint sized bottles
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  and a glass. And I love the glass, and I showed you the
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  glass. But I love the glass because they're a little they're a little logo
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  for this they're like little pink elephants with Santa hats on. I know,
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  but for those that don't know, I love elephants. I mean, I
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  even have an elephant tattoo, and obviously pink is my colors. I need
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  the pink elephants. I'm gonna have to go get some tomorrow. It's adorable.
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  Delirium captain said. Delerium's high alcohol it kind of I mean it's ten
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  percent. I put that in the middle range of what I typically drink.
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  I've had I have as low as four and as well higher. So what
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  are you gonna do? Pink elephants on parade? So it's uh, but
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  ten this is this is a beer that's ten percent. But it does not
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  taste like that. It doesn't taste it's it's smooth, it's comfortable and that
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  I mean, it's just it's like an amber ale. The color is just
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  absolute lea gorgeous. Anyways, I will I'm gonna have to. Yeah,
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  that's what I'm drinking bus that tomorrow when we go to buy stuff for the
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  party Saturday. I won't drink the beer, but I can serve it to
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  guest if they want it. It's like, I mean, perfect like holiday
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  party beer that you like bring with you to somewhere or you have, you
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  know, for a holiday party, just because of this. I mean it
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  started. It generates conversation. There's like I love those kind of things,
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  you know. I used to have a teenage mutant Ninja Turtle Secret to the
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  Ooze poster that was an actual movie poster, and I used to hang it
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  on the opposite side because it's backwards on the other side, so that when
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  the light shines through, it's there's you don't get that double image. So
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  I used to hang it backwards, and that would create conversation because people would
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  be like, why you got the backwards poster, and I'd be like,
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  well, let me tell you why, And that just generates the conversation because
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  of course I need help. Well, I am excited for our party Saturday.
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  I am serving Grinch Street and also Naughty Santa jello shots. I get
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  wait, I'm making the jello shots tomorrow and I'm just so excited. Well,
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  I'm excited. I'm assuming there will be some photos and you're like building
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  arches and things like that. I'm making big blue arches. I'm not sure
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  if it'll be an arch or if I'm gonna just do one big garland across
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  all of the dining room area. Because I bought enough to do four arches
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  exactly. See my husband, He's like, why you always gotta be extra,
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  and I'm like, because my name is Terry extra Lynn doo sold.
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  I mean, it's not extra, it's southern. You know, it's just
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  maybe one of the same. That might be right. I think I'm extra
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  Southern, but no, I will take pictures, videos and share because it'll
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  be fun. We have not done a Christmas party since we've moved back to
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  Texas, so it's been nine years since we have Christmas party. Well,
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  here we go. Speaking of you had mentioned the Grinch, We've put together
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  a video and this this this video. So Terry said, we need something
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  for Chase Lackey case, for the two people who have not been forthcoming and
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  their information and knowledge. So I did one that was okay, and then
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  Terry's like, we got to have another one, and I was like,
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  here we go, so let's do it. This This is yeah, this
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  was this a sneak because it's not I think this one isn't posting until Monday,
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  all right, So this is a sneak. Here is your Here we
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  go be fun. Not for Christmas, Mom and Daddy, armor, not
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  for Christmas. Not pea fred, I broke my lad on Jolly's head some
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  funy such joby my head of brow again, said Jake. Somebody snitched off
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  me. I spilled some mink on Mommy's rug. I made Tommy eat a
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  bug, but some gum with a penny slug. Somebody snitched on me.
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  Oh for Christmas, mom m nothing for Christmas and nothing to bad. I
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  put a patch onto church. Somebody snips on me. I tied a not
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  into please. Somebody snitched on me. I tear dance some Mommy's plans.
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  Fun for my pants. Fill that sugar bowl wives. Somebody tips on me
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  for Christmas, Molly for Christmas, TuS, I can not foot bangs.
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  I'm sorry. I love it, and considering we keep getting tips and stuff,
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  I really hope somebody snitches on them because they will also get fifteen thousand,
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  three hundred and fifty dollars, I think is what the reward is.
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  So snitch away, switch away, husker. Yeah, that the little the
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  little girl with the red hair who gets the secret her face right at the
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  end before I transition to something else. It's just so good. That's why
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  I kept using it over and over again, because I was just like that's
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  that'll do it. It was perfect. No, that's a sneak peek because
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  I don't think that comes out until next week. Because Santa Claus was this
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  week in the Naughty List. Mmm. Yes, they are indeed on the
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  Naughty List. They are on the Naughty List. Well, guess what I
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  am going to try to do a live in February, Yes, from like
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  boot them. When I am in Finland. I'm trying to find a little
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  cabin to rent in the area of that lake where the murders were. And
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  if I'm able to do that, I will live stream and maybe share walk
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  outside and walk around, but I will stand a cabin on a tent because
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  it'll be like negative for I think I like my nipples attached to my body,
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  so I probably won't sleep us. I mean, if they have glamping
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  where there's a little space heater, I would do that. But considering I'm
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  going to do this as a single female on my own, and remember this
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  is Finland, not Texas, so there will be no gun, there will
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  be no taser. It'll just be me. So I'm thinking a cabin might
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  be a little bit safer and lower my chances of getting killed. Yeah,
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  I mean at least it'll it'll put a barrier in the way. It'll make
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  for a better movie later on. So now I wonder if I'll be able
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  to live stream from Finland. Is there any legal things if you've got a
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  cabin, Well, it depends on if there's Wi Fi. If there's Wi
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  Fi, now I'll have Wi Fi. But now I'm talking about is there
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  any international things? Not at all? No, yay. So yeah,
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  so even if I don't get to stand a cabin, I am gonna take
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  a what do you call those things? Uber and go check it out because
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  I am staying the weekend past when we're done with meetings. Yes, so
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  I'm excited. I like this. Toush says, I will never sleep anywhere
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  without a door. Yeah that's fair. Well you don't hash a sad face,
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  I get it. Yeah. Well, we went to the Snow Hotel.
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  When we were there in February of this year. We couldn't stay there
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  because they were booked. There's no doors on the rooms. It's a big
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  slab of ice that's like this and then this side, so that you can
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  walk around it and go in the room. There's no doors to your room.
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  So when you're sleeping. People are walking down the hallway. They could
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  just walk right on into your room and say hi, Yeah you have like
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  remind me of the scene from National Lampoon's European Vacation where he totally gets into
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  the wrong room in the beginning of the movie. And it's the the fella
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  who's based at drag Queen. Uh and uh, I've never seen an He
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  thinks it's his wife and you haven't seen Oh God, double h, double
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  h. He's seen it. He loves it. You're gonna have to watch
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  it. Guess what I did watch? Speaking of movies, I meant to
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  post this. I watched Shrek. Was it better this time? It was
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  so much better. They're like cute little love couple, right, and I
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  still think that Donkey is just the best thing. I mean, Eddie Murphy,
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  but it was much sweeter and there's some adult humor in there. There's
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  some like little things. I'm like, ooh ooh, so yes it was.
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  It was good. Yeah, JT. Did you watch Jim on the
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  Holograms? No? No, And I'll tell you why, because I was
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  I was intent. I was so intent on finishing Pose and then Drag Race
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  All Stars four. I just didn't get to, although I think I do
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  think since we did the last one, I'm pretty sure I finished like two
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  or three more cross ditches. So but no, I need to watch it.
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  I will. You have to before we come back in the new year.
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  You have to just gonna go out on a lemon say that. I'm
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  gonna need you to drive me crazy reminding me. Okay, you want me
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  to do that, well, I just want you to out. Just remind
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  me now and again. Just make sure, okay, I can do that
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  daily, every hour on the hour I have every hour on the hour.
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  Well, I'll definitely do it. I've got so I'm wrapping up a cute
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  cross ditch that says precious Cargo, and it's got grow Baby Yoda on the
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  botto, and I am now embarking on a journey to see how this works.
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  But this journey is a fifty inch by twenty inch piece of canvas that
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  I'm cross stitching all one hundred and fifty one Pokemon on, or the first
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  one hundred and fifty one it's about I think it's like over one hundred and
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  twenty thousand stitches. So the instructions are like thirty one pages long in like
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  that is massive? And can I just ask, why are you jumping from
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  small to so big? Isn't there like a medium size you could try first?
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  So I mean I've done like a six by eleven. Oh okay,
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  as I didn't. I did a birth announcement for my brother in law,
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  which he doesn't know yet because I haven't. You know, it's finished,
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  it's just not framed. I saw that one well as it was that okay,
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  So I don't know. You know, I'm just gonna attack it in
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  pieces, you know, and as long as I get it done by the
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  time Jamie graduates, it'll be fine. So but uh, we're gonna go.
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  It's so like it's adorable. Let me see if I can find a
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  picture of it real quick, and then we'll probably hop into the cases.
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  I just can't. I would not be good at cross stitch. I don't
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  see it calming me. I would see it frustrating me and making me angry.
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  Oh my gosh, this is so funny. Does your brother in law
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  not know about the baby? I know he does, in fact, I
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  just did. I just did a family photo session for them. They're adorable.
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  Some of the photos I posted on Facebook that you saw Terry were from
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  that I did. That is funny, though, does he not know about
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  the baby? What's Isn't there a joke about the blonde girl goes to the
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  doctor and the doctor says something like you're pregnant or you're having a baby,
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  and she goes, Oh, I forget what the joke is, but there's
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  a joke about that. There it is. That's it. Holy shit.
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  Yeah, you're gonna cross stitch all of that. Yep, Okay, that's
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  impressive that you're even gonna try. Oh look at Pikachu, look at Charmiander.
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  Oh look at your Gli Puff. It's like it's ordered from bottom to
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  the top. Yeah, by like their numbers, which is awesome. And
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  it's the first it's the only Pokemon that I recognized, which is the first
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  one hundred and fifty one. So wow. But yeah, do you still
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  play Pokemon go? Uh No, No, I don't have I wish I
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  had the wherewithal See, this is why I crossed ditch because my focus is
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  crap. Yeah, I do thirty minutes a week, third, I see,
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  I just I'm stuck on a couple other things. Apple Arcade just got
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  Dreamlight Valley. So which is well, I've been making Christmas decorations. I
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  don't cross stitch, but I do I do crafty stuff. And I made
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  a couple of new wreaths this year. Wreath maker. Wreathmaker. Yes,
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  I have sixty wreaths in our attic that I made when I was doing the
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  store that I made and then people are like, oh, I want that,
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  but I want it in this color. So I have the originals left
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  and I'm going to I've decided after the first of the year, I'm going
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  to put them up for sale for like fifteen twenty five dollars max and try
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  to sell them all and donate that money to the Chase Lackey fund. Ooh
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  so, if y'all are looking for a wreath, stay tuned. Yes,
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  stay tuned, because there's Valantine. I mean, I got all kind of
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  stuff well, and Terry made the kit my kids a wreath that's adorable and
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  has all these cool colors and has has the buzz and woody in the middle,
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  not vibrators, the actual toys and it's just adorable. So you know,
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  I can attest to Terry's amazing work. And it made it through the
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  mail so, and it made it through the mail. Okay. I don't
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  know why, but this comment just cracks me up because when I read it,
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  it's not what I said in my head what the words actually say.
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  I mean, uh, taking that at face value, I do tend to
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  move pretty quickly through those projects, but also as just a haha, tia,
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  it's the only thing I'm fast at. Then there's this one that says
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  it was huge. Okay, guys, I just probably should apologize. Now.
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  My brain is way good thing. I'm not at work, and this
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  isn't like a professional where I could get fired being an HR, because today
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  my brain's in one of those places where I would definitely get fired for saying
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  stuff that I shouldn't. I'm about to ruin your night with my case.
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  Oh shit, that's right, you're doing that Ian guy. Oh god,
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  I'm gonna flut up that banner now. I'm gonna guys, we're gonna see
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  if I text double H if he will make me a martini and bring it
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  to me, because I think I'm gonna need it, an extra dirty one.
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  Do you think he'll do it? I think you will. May I
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  think it? Hey, Martini with two blue cheese awlaves, please and thank
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  you. Okay, we'll see Okay, go ahead and ruin. Okay,
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  before you absolutely ruined my day, can I tell you one very funny story
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  because you have kids, yes, please, so grandson Jackson. We had
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  them two weekends ago for monkey Butt's birthday and he spent the night with us,
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  and I got him a little stuffed dog with a little hat on,
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  and I keep trying to tell him my name is Terry, not Mama,
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  and he just doesn't get it. Well, he decided that name was cute
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  and he named the stuff dog Terry. And so when I told him,
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  I'm like, so you're saying I'm a dog and now you've named your dog
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  at me. He took it and he goes, but I love Terry.
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  I said, oh, so you love Terry more than me. He goes,
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  oh, no, Mama, I love you more. I don't like
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  Terry. I love kids, and I haven't had little win since so long.
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  It just it was just funny because there is no correlation to him on
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  Mama and the name Terry. He just he doesn't get it. So I
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  wanted to share that funny before you read my day, before I ruin your
• 32:28
  day. Well I'm gonna oh, all right. So being a rock star
• 32:36
  affords one a lot of freedom. Sure, there's artistic freedom, doors open
• 32:38
  to them that might not typically be open. But if behaviors remain unchecked,
• 32:42
  rock stars can get lost while speeding down the highway of life at hundreds of
• 32:45
  miles per hour. Brian Van Dyke says rockstardom isn't compatible with satisfaction. It
• 32:52
  is in essence, satisfaction is very antithesis. To be a rock star is
• 32:55
  to revel in need, because it is the ongoing and relentless need of the
• 33:00
  audience that calls them into being. I think there's something in what Brian says,
• 33:04
  and whether it's the music artist who feels that way or the business of
• 33:07
  music that drives the feeling of always needing more, producing more, earning more,
• 33:12
  it is a reality that well we have to consider rock stars aren't born.
• 33:17
  I think it's safe to say that it's nurture and not nature, although
• 33:21
  we are led to believe that some are born with an innate talent for music,
• 33:24
  which that paired with sheer luck, can lead to someone becoming a larger
• 33:28
  than life rockstar. I think it's the need or want for more that seems
• 33:34
  to drive celebrities or rock stars. Lane Staley, the singer for Alison Chains,
• 33:39
  did an amazing job called Millions, despite the drug problem that Staley had
• 33:44
  that was debilitating. But that's not why he became a rock star. In
• 33:49
  Staley's case, he wanted to become a rock star as a kid because he
• 33:51
  believed becoming a celebrity would lead to his father to get back in touch with
• 33:53
  him. Yeah, so he ended up dying way too soon. He was
• 34:00
  emaciated, he was living alone in an apartment because that didn't happen, and
• 34:06
  he said he regretted how his life was ending. And Van Dyke said it
• 34:09
  was quote as if he were following someone else's script. But that's kind of
• 34:15
  how I see rock stars most of the time. It's a script that's followed
• 34:17
  to ensure quote unquote greatness. I don't think rock stars have as much autonomy
• 34:23
  as we think they do, as they make us believe they do, so
• 34:28
  they search for other ways to find that autonomy. And going back to Van
• 34:31
  Dyke, he says the function of the rock star is at the most existential
• 34:35
  level, the function of the hero, the comforter, the shaman, the
• 34:37
  all in one. We look to them for relief at moments when we need
• 34:42
  to pick up, or when we need to fill the quiet of an empty
• 34:45
  room or the boring lull of a long drive. We turn to pop stars
• 34:50
  as teenagers because they assure us of the possibilities of the world ahead. As
• 34:53
  adults, they also sometimes remind us of the orderly calm of the nostalgic past.
• 34:58
  They are like us, but not us, possessed of our appetites,
• 35:01
  but appetites at a scale that would kill most normal human beings. I think,
• 35:13
  I think this, this is really important to remember. In most cases.
• 35:16
  I am quite aware that this could be misinterpreted as me excusing behaviors,
• 35:21
  and I'm definitely not. There are some behaviors that are beyond anything or any
• 35:24
  one thing that you know that could have contributed to to the situation. I
• 35:30
  think it's just important to gain perspective or bring another interesting idea to the table.
• 35:32
  But why right, Well, when I read through the documentation I could
• 35:37
  find on Ian Watkins, I wondered about the psyche of a rock star,
• 35:40
  like, what did it mean to be one? You know? Why do
• 35:44
  people work to attain that status? What does it due to that person?
• 35:46
  And I found a lot of that in Brian Van Dyke's article called The Fault
• 35:50
  in Our rock Stars, which is a very clever title. If you know
• 35:52
  the Fault in Our Stars, the book The Fault in Our rock Stars,
• 35:57
  look it up. It's short, but it's really really interesting fault in Our
• 36:00
  rock Stars. So we're going to talk about lost Prophets singer Ian Watkins today
• 36:06
  and I'm not gonna lie. And this is your trigger warning. This case
• 36:07
  is pretty rough, not in terms of gore and murder, but in terms
• 36:14
  of sexual abuse of a child, grooming and more. I will say this
• 36:17
  now. If this is not something you're comfortable with, or if it's triggering,
• 36:22
  I implore you to think before you continue on. No no harm,
• 36:28
  no foul is right, yeah, right. So I think what is important
• 36:36
  to know is am I getting to get into the nitty gritty details on every
• 36:38
  one of his charges? I assure am not. That's a ten to four
• 36:43
  hell no, uh no, one needs to hear about every detail I read
• 36:47
  in this that I read in the sentencing remarks. If you want to read
• 36:50
  that, it'll be in the sources section. And uh, you know,
• 36:54
  I'm going to give you the broad strokes with a few details along the way,
• 36:58
  kind of like a Bob Ross painting from Hell. Basically all those happy
• 37:01
  trees on fire. This person's still alive. Yes, oh darn, I
• 37:10
  I mean I didn't mean it that way. But you know, no,
• 37:14
  oh darn is right. No, absolutely, you'll feel fine with asking that
• 37:20
  question later. So. Ian Watkins was born Ian David Carslake Watkins on July
• 37:28
  thirtieth, nineteen seventy seven. Around yeah today or not today, but this
• 37:35
  year he's either forty five or forty six. Math, I don't do it.
• 37:37
  He was born in methmrtherr tidfil Wales. I need I need pop it
• 37:44
  on. Where where is? Where's Lisa? I need Lisa Wilmot on mrther
• 37:49
  Tidful, Wales, But was raised in Ponty Pride. I think it's Ponty
• 37:52
  Pride. His father died when he was a child, and his mother,
• 37:57
  Elaine, remarried John Davis, a Baptist minister. Mom and John had a
• 38:01
  child, Daniel, and they all seemed to get along just fine. It
• 38:07
  seemed to be an uneventful life growing up. In fact, Daniel said he
• 38:09
  was so proud of his brother Ian until he found out what was going on.
• 38:14
  Ian not only seemed to have a good life with good and supportive parents,
• 38:20
  he was also extremely intelligent. He was a straight A student and went
• 38:22
  to Hawthorne High School. He graduated from there and went to the University of
• 38:25
  Wales where he received the equivalent of an undergraduate degree in a graphic design.
• 38:30
  The British call it a first class honors degree, so he was in graphic
• 38:32
  design. Their degrees sound so fancy. I'm just gonna say I love it.
• 38:40
  Fantastic, all right. So in terms of music, when he was
• 38:45
  at Hawthorne High School, he met Mike Lewis, who would eventually become a
• 38:47
  bandmate of his and lost profits. They created a band in ninety one called
• 38:52
  Aftermath, which was a thrash metal band that literally played in a shed in
• 38:55
  watkins garden. Watkins abandoned Aftermath and created a new band with League called Fleshbind.
• 39:00
  This was also could be called Condom. I guess this was less thrash
• 39:07
  and more American hardcore punk. This group didn't last very long. Watkins then
• 39:13
  reunited with his former drummer of Aftermath, Mike Lewis, and they played in
• 39:16
  a hardcore band called Public Disturbance. Yep, such weird names, I know.
• 39:24
  At the same time, Watkins and Gays then created their own band,
• 39:28
  Lost Prophets, who made their live debut alongside the band Public Disturbance, which
• 39:31
  means that Watkins was playing in both bands at the same time. Ultimately,
• 39:37
  Lost Profits released five studio albums between two thousand and twenty twelve. They toured
• 39:43
  in Europe and America. They received several Korrang awards and nominations and sold over
• 39:47
  three million albums worldwide. Reportedly, he was a world famous He was world
• 39:55
  famous as a rock singer who refused to drink or do drugs. At some
• 40:00
  point in two thousand and eight, this seems to change, though, and
• 40:02
  his behavior changed as well. Along with adding drugs to his life, he
• 40:07
  reportedly became obsessed with online pornography and images depicting abuse, get a little more
• 40:12
  and to found what was on his computer. Later. While this can tend
• 40:17
  to lead someone down a path, for sure, I don't know if it
• 40:22
  was the only thing. I think there's plenty of unreported items or things we
• 40:25
  don't know about him that he felt did whatever that led him to where he
• 40:29
  ended up. If everybody. You know, plenty more people than just him
• 40:34
  look at porn, even even aggressive or violent porn, which I'm not advocating
• 40:39
  for obviously, but they don't end up going this route. So even was
• 40:45
  in and out of relationships, But then again, you know, so was
• 40:49
  I early two thousands in a relationship with musician Alicia Simmons, two thousand and
• 40:53
  three to two thousand and five in a relationship with Marissa Festa, now married
• 40:58
  to a guitarist in the rock band AFI. Then he dated Fear and Cotton,
• 41:01
  an English broadcaster, Oh sorry, not Fear and Fern Cotton, English
• 41:06
  broadcaster and author. They were together for a few months and oh five,
• 41:08
  and from six to eleven he dated and became engaged to long term girlfriend Joanne
• 41:14
  Nikita, magic and English model. She broke this off due to well the
• 41:20
  obvious reasons as we're going to get into. So as far as I could
• 41:25
  track back, although he was charged in twenty twelve, this goes back to
• 41:30
  six and it gets increasingly worse, and it's truly a descent into darkness and
• 41:34
  depravity. And I think it should be said that the band has been described
• 41:37
  by a story in the BBC News as quote peddling angst and rebellion, sweetened
• 41:43
  by an anthemic oh Man anthem anthemic course, choruses and a punk meat skater
• 41:50
  boy image. Lost profits attracted many disenfranchised young fans. Why is that important?
• 41:54
  Well, the main reason is, first it's probably true having listened to
• 41:59
  some of their stuff while researching this, but also because Ian Watkins preyed on
• 42:02
  his fans, and I think he knew the type of fans that his band,
• 42:06
  his band had and he used that to his advantage while taking advantage of
• 42:10
  them. In two thousand and seven, Watkins met up with a girl from
• 42:17
  Boston, Massachusetts. The girl reached out saying she was a fan. Now
• 42:22
  here's where I want to make it. Here's why I want to make it
• 42:24
  incredibly clear. The reports of this state and I quote saying she was a
• 42:30
  fan and was a virgin and went on to meet him. I'm wearing a
• 42:34
  schoolgirl uniform in a New York hotel. I will add this that in the
• 42:38
  sentencing remarks from the judge it to find more of what happened in terms of
• 42:42
  what he convinced her to do. So in the report which I feel like
• 42:47
  schoolgirl uniform other than identifying her is not really that important, but so is.
• 42:57
  This is what the judge wrote. You met t T. They obviously
• 43:00
  gave everybody so what we're looking for. There's a fancy name for alias.
• 43:08
  Well just say alias. You're gonna give everybody alias. This pseudonym, pseudonym.
• 43:15
  That's it. Thank you. But I finally get there. Oh I'm
• 43:21
  well, I didn't even get there, So you win, all right.
• 43:25
  You met tt after a Lost Prophets concert when she was a sixteen year old
• 43:29
  virgin. The prospect of taking her virginity excited you. You got her to
• 43:32
  dress in a schoolgirl's outfit, and you videoed her and you having oral,
• 43:38
  vaginal and anal sex. You asked her whether she enjoyed being your underage slot.
• 43:43
  At the end, you urinated over her face and told her to drink.
• 43:49
  In other words, news outlet's check the facts before reporting on something,
• 43:52
  making it sound like you're blaming the victim. And it has nothing to do
• 43:57
  with the fact that she was wearing a school girl uniform. She was brainwashed.
• 44:06
  Watkins decide, I know we went souths real fast. It's gonna get
• 44:08
  worse. In October of two thousand and eight, Two years later, he
• 44:16
  filmed himself having sex with yet another sixteen year old fan and urinated on them.
• 44:22
  This is a string of similar offenses that he committed, and it's not
• 44:25
  just these two, but that does give you a small idea of how to
• 44:29
  brave this man started. Paul's is right, Yes, groomed, thank you?
• 44:32
  Okay, that is the true I'm gonna drink before you say the urine
• 44:36
  thing again, because every time I go to drink you say that. Yeah,
• 44:42
  sorry, Kelly, p I'm doing that. Yeah last time, super
• 44:45
  trigger warning and yes, yes, except well, I don't know the extent
• 44:53
  of our Kelly's crimes, but I don't think that these are m I don't
• 45:00
  think he went this route. I think he was pretty up there. Who
• 45:05
  was he? Okay, Well, I know that he was a terrible human
• 45:07
  being. I just don't know what the ages. I don't I don't know
• 45:12
  if his ages went this. Yeah, we get young, Okay. So
• 45:17
  Ian Watkins was charged in twenty twelve with crimes that shouldn't even have to be
• 45:22
  drafted as crimes. But he was a fucking terrible human and he and others
• 45:29
  are the reasons we have them. We're gonna get back to the story that
• 45:31
  happened kind of throughout the years, you know, six and twelve, just
• 45:35
  to explain his psyche and how fuck he was. I literally wrote F bombs
• 45:38
  in this That's how pissed off I was. But until then, here's kind
• 45:42
  of what he was charged with. Attempted rape of a child under thirteen,
• 45:45
  sexual assault of a child under thirteen, taking, making or possessing indecent images
• 45:50
  of children, possessing an extreme pornographic image, involving a sex act on an
• 45:53
  animal. The total number of charges looks like it was around thirty two of
• 45:59
  them, but that's the animals. Yeah, let's go back to four and
• 46:12
  talk about I know about his interactions and messages relationship with a woman who met
• 46:15
  him backstage in an overseas gig that year. Why do I want to cover
• 46:20
  that part because it gives you a little more in terms of the process of
• 46:22
  manipulation and the shit that he went through with people or what people went through
• 46:27
  with him. As I said above, after their initial meeting two years earlier,
• 46:31
  she messaged him for tickets to the music festival. They started up a
• 46:35
  sexual relationship, including meetings over the years. Quote, we went to the
• 46:39
  show and we were backstage. He came out and met her, met her
• 46:45
  daughter. So this was the woman asked for tickets. Her daughter was with
• 46:46
  her. He met her daughter and took her and took some photos, and
• 46:52
  everything was normal. And then he later signed a poster address to my daughter
• 46:54
  describing her as quote beautiful. Later he actually saw the photos of him and
• 46:59
  my daughter and her friend and a few years later said him and my daughter
• 47:02
  would make a really good looking couple. She was seven in the photo.
• 47:07
  Oh my god. By twenty ten, the woman was convinced he was insane.
• 47:15
  He was inviting her to shows all the time to quote help him.
• 47:19
  He wanted her to find young girls at the show. He said, quote,
• 47:24
  you can find us some young sluts to abuse. She told me,
• 47:31
  yeah, yep, yeah. She told him that he was using his fame
• 47:37
  and that those young girls love you, and you were using your fame to
• 47:40
  live out sexual fantasy, she said. Watkins kept in touch with a network
• 47:45
  of groupies around the world. She knew at least seven others throughout Europe.
• 47:49
  And not just like fans. These these were people who were possibly doing what
• 47:53
  he asked this woman to do. Early in twenty ten, Watkins would pretty
• 48:00
  much talk obsessively about drugs and his child abuse fantasies to the women he was
• 48:04
  meeting for sex. Quote. He would talk about what he wanted to do
• 48:07
  to babies. But you never think there's a fan out there that would say,
• 48:09
  here's my baby. He wanted to he wanted it was his goal to
• 48:19
  be evil. His words, not mine. He suggested that he and the
• 48:25
  woman I had mentioned should have a baby because he wanted to raise it to
• 48:29
  be evil like him. Quote. A year later, he said he wanted
• 48:32
  us to have a baby so he could have his way with the baby and
• 48:35
  my daughter could watch how it's done. What the absolute buckery and the fact
• 48:45
  that he felt so confident telling someone that, yeah, oh, we probably
• 48:53
  should give another trigger warning. We have a new person who's tread. I
• 49:00
  hit the wrong one and then we both hit it. Yeah, so hi,
• 49:05
  thanks for joining. It happens to be that you. I'm catching up.
• 49:09
  Last time, we did a theme called outrageous crimes murders, crimes.
• 49:15
  This is the case of Ian Watkins, the Lost Prophet singer. There is
• 49:21
  a trigger warning, there was one in the beginning. We'll do it again
• 49:23
  though this does involve crimes against very very young children. I do not get
• 49:30
  extremely graphic or detailed. I do give broad strokes, so you will get
• 49:34
  a little bit of the terrible and by that I mean it's just a deep,
• 49:37
  terrible darkness. So I apologize that this is the first one you've been
• 49:42
  part of, but thank you for being here. And I just wanted to
• 49:45
  say, if you're not comfortable with it, this is a case that we're
• 49:50
  covering from when JT was sounding so sexy but was sick. So if you
• 49:57
  want to drop and come back in twenty minutes, we will be covering our
• 50:00
  normal cases. Because I knew it was bad, I didn't know it was
• 50:05
  this bad. And yeah, I would say they could come back. I
• 50:13
  would say twenty minutes, twenty or thirty. Yeah, okay, I am
• 50:17
  re messaging Double H please I need that drink. This case walks. I'm
• 50:29
  gonna call him from my phone now so that he'll know. Yeah, And
• 50:34
  I mean this is not a comparison thing. But for as bad as this
• 50:37
  all sounds, reading the sentencing document was heart wrenching. Okay, so at
• 50:51
  one point he wanted to get together with Oh what did what did double H
• 50:54
  say? Before? I? Oh, I called in he goes, yes,
• 50:59
  I said to read your text please, I'm I will since we're talking
• 51:10
  about Batman and it's a nice little breather. I've gone back and listened to
• 51:15
  that episode twice because I love your boys. So, uh, Minnesota twin
• 51:25
  mom, this was uh well, it's known to be from six to twelve.
• 51:30
  Uh, but it's probably been going on in jail general for a while.
• 51:37
  But he's in prison, so you know, I'll spoiler alert that one.
• 51:44
  So at one point he wanted to get together with that woman and her
• 51:47
  daughter. No sorry, sorry, she He wanted to get together with the
• 51:52
  woman who he was trying to get to come to all the concerts and that
• 51:58
  and that woman's mom. Yeah, she firmly rejected all of that. He
• 52:05
  wanted her mom's address so that he could pay her a visit skype. He
• 52:08
  wanted me to go and get her from the other room he was masturbating,
• 52:13
  so she could see how hot he was and so that she could tell the
• 52:16
  woman how much she wanted him. Then there was an instance in which this
• 52:22
  conversation happened, and I've pieced it together from the report. In one chilling
• 52:28
  message sent on March fourth, twenty eleven, the woman innocently asked him to
• 52:34
  DJA at her daughter's birthday party. This was the same woman, wat This
• 52:40
  is quite obnoxious and I don't know what is going on, but words,
• 52:45
  we will have words later. I didn't pay what I paid for this microphone
• 52:50
  to have this issue. Okay, So she asked him to be a DJ
• 52:54
  at her daughter's birthday party, Watkins replied, even my MIC's given up.
• 53:04
  Watkins replied, quote only if I can blank her. When the woman protested,
• 53:09
  the Twisted star posted a winking face and wrote quote haha, before telling
• 53:15
  her show her that pick of me and see what she says. You hate
• 53:20
  it. You hate it that she thinks I'm hot. And this is the
• 53:25
  seven year old. Uh yeah, she may have been a little older by
• 53:30
  this point, but it doesn't matter. You know, she wasn't a consenting
• 53:35
  adult. Yes, okay, yeah, no not at all. I'm not
• 53:40
  gonna lie. I would have shut the shit down years before, but I
• 53:43
  don't know the full context and the situation. I don't know what she was
• 53:46
  going through. I don't know what manipulation was involved. I am not one
• 53:50
  to judge, so I shall not throw stones in a glasshouse. I think,
• 53:57
  you know, overall the whole situation, and it would have been good
• 54:00
  if it was shut down. But we are where we are. There's just
• 54:05
  a lot of shit here, and it's a lot of bad shit. She
• 54:07
  asked why Ian was doing what he was doing, and he said it was
• 54:09
  because he was bored and wanted to spread his evil. Of course, this
• 54:16
  wasn't the only person that he was grooming, communicating with, or manipulating.
• 54:21
  I'm sure there were a lot of them. One is too many, but
• 54:22
  I'm sure there were hundreds over the years in which we think he was actively
• 54:25
  doing this. So I'm just gonna kind of glance through the sentencing document from
• 54:30
  the judge. It's horrifying. We talked about that, what the judge wrote
• 54:37
  regarding the two thousand and seven meet up he had with his sixteen year old
• 54:38
  fan. So we're gonna move past that. This is a part of the
• 54:42
  introduction. Any decent person looking at and listening to the material here will experience
• 54:47
  shock, revulsion, anger, and incredulity. What you three did plumbed new
• 54:52
  depths of depravity. Now you might be saying, wait a second, why
• 55:00
  three, Well, Watkins was able to find two women with infants or babies
• 55:05
  who were willing to do what he asked them to do. Willing or was
• 55:09
  he paying them? I mean, I'm asking because as a mom, I'm
• 55:15
  going to just be honest. I am struggling to wrap my head around this.
• 55:23
  Well, we'll get there, Okay, get there. We're going to
• 55:28
  talk about it briefly for a bit, but again, not a bunch,
• 55:30
  because I draw the line at some places, like we might have listened to
• 55:35
  Jody Arius the entire trial, h but we even didn't listen to much of
• 55:37
  the sex tape because it's too much. Okay, So continuing on with what
• 55:45
  the judge said, you Watkins achieved fame and success as the lead singer of
• 55:50
  the Lost Prophets. You had many fawning fans that gave you power. You
• 55:53
  knew you could use that power to induce young female fans to help satisfy your
• 55:58
  apparently insatiable lust and to take part in the sexual abuse of their young children.
• 56:02
  Away from the highlights of your public performances lay a dark and sinister side.
• 56:07
  In addition to the sixteen year old in seven, there was a count
• 56:10
  dating back to August eight, which I briefly mentioned above. He videoed her
• 56:15
  having oral sex with him, and she has seen snorting white powder that she
• 56:20
  was told was cocaine. Drugs were a huge link and they were involved in
• 56:24
  a lot of the activities he wished to and did participate in. One count
• 56:32
  related to around ninety in decent photos of children ages two to fourteen. A
• 56:37
  group was called in to help police access encrypted files on watkins computer. They
• 56:43
  found that one of his passwords was quote I fuck kids. Another count involves
• 56:53
  image that sounded like I was saying that flippantly. I wasn't. I'm so
• 56:59
  so unbelievable. I've done this case before, It's still unbelievable. Another count
• 57:07
  involves images and videos of extreme pornography, including twenty two images of beastiality,
• 57:10
  including sex with dogs. Now, in addition to Watkins, two women were
• 57:15
  charged. Two women were charged and were convicted along with him. The first
• 57:21
  woman met Watkins at the age of nineteen and twenty eleven. She was manipulated
• 57:25
  by him, but what happened to her ten month old infant is ungodly.
• 57:30
  They had detailed discussions about the sexual acts the two of them were going to
• 57:34
  subject her infant too. I believe the infant was indeed introduced to methamphetam.
• 57:39
  I mean they recorded a video of Watkins doing terrible things to the infant.
• 57:44
  Mother did as well. A little while or later, she sent him a
• 57:47
  text saying, quote, the boys ready to be abused. It's just horrible.
• 57:52
  The second woman, she was twenty two or twenty three when she met
• 57:57
  Watkins, with communication starting August twenty twelve. They spoke of moving in together,
• 58:01
  and Watkins said, quote, if you belong to me, so does
• 58:04
  your baby. She responded, quote understandable a mother daughter's slave duo worshiping you.
• 58:10
  You you got that right at the right time. Sorry, strong strength,
• 58:19
  it is and it needed to be. Go dub h. I'm all
• 58:24
  right. I I'm sorry. I just really am struggling with the whole mom.
• 58:34
  I know, I know, I know. I don't know what then
• 58:37
  again, I don't know what their context was. I don't know if they
• 58:39
  were in a situation. I'm sorry for apologizing for saying I wish she wasn't
• 58:45
  alive. I am not sorry. I said that. Yeah, I didn't
• 58:47
  think you would be by back. I told, uh, okay, communication.
• 58:57
  So oh, Megan, you ask a good question, is it you
• 58:59
  can so the he toured both in the US and Europe, and he definitely
• 59:05
  had more than just one or two people that I read about who were helping
• 59:08
  him out. Maybe not with children as young as these two instances, but
• 59:13
  in general so I'm pretty sure it's happened here too. I believe more people
• 59:16
  have come around in each chest in the US. Are you going to get
• 59:22
  not that I know of. We might get to it. I can't.
• 59:25
  I'm trying to remember this case. It's been a while since I've read through
• 59:29
  it in its entirety. Communications included conversations about forcing the little girl to engage
• 59:36
  in sex with animals and how to take drugs. He referred to her child
• 59:38
  as quote, my little fuck toy. Her child was nothing more than an
• 59:42
  object. She sent extremely graphic videos to Watkins of her daughter, and they
• 59:45
  had skype sessions involving her daughter and actions done to her daughter, as well
• 59:50
  as as as he sat there and gratified himself for as bad as you think
• 59:54
  this is. The sentencing document again was very graphic, and it was very
• 1:00:04
  graphic sentences Watkins Watkins thirty five years. He has to serve two thirds of
• 1:00:13
  the custodial turn before he can even be considered for release by the parole board
• 1:00:15
  in twenty twenty nine. Way too close. First woman got for twenty twenty
• 1:00:24
  nine. Before he's from the corner. Yeah, I think that there are
• 1:00:35
  some well there are some other things. There's some other things in a little
• 1:00:37
  bit here. So the first woman got fourteen years, the second woman got
• 1:00:42
  seventeen years, which means to me that they found something extremely terrible from these
• 1:00:50
  like there were no there there was nothing that would judge justify. There's nothing
• 1:00:54
  justifying this one. Am I talking about Jesus? Of course they were fucking
• 1:00:58
  charged. Here's the conclude one of the part of the conclusion statement from the
• 1:01:00
  judge. I am satisfied that you are a deeply corrupting influence. You are
• 1:01:05
  a highly manipulative, you are a sexual predator. You are dangerous The public,
• 1:01:08
  in particular young females and children need protection from you bobbies. Okay,
• 1:01:15
  we all needed puppies. We needed the puppies. Are my dogs were scratching
• 1:01:22
  at the door. Look, look there's the puppies we need these times.
• 1:01:25
  Do you say, hi, Josie, Hi Jasamin. Okay, I'll put
• 1:01:31
  them down, singer later. But they were scratching at the door because they
• 1:01:37
  heard daddy come in here. Ah. Yes, needed puppies. Yeah yeah,
• 1:01:44
  support pupps. That's very true. I made this okay. I won't
• 1:01:49
  hurt you. Okay. So uh. The judge basically ripped them a new
• 1:01:52
  one in the concluding statement by concluding by saying, the public in particular,
• 1:01:57
  oh, you you probably heard it? You have you? Did you hear
• 1:02:00
  me say that? What the concluding because you didn't have to take off your
• 1:02:02
  headphones? Did you? I did? Oh? You did? Okay?
• 1:02:06
  Sorry? Sorry? Sorry. He concluded by saying, the public, in
• 1:02:08
  particular young females and children need protection from you. He said, yeah.
• 1:02:12
  So. Other comments around this trial included the following. Detective Peter Doyle said
• 1:02:15
  the sentences reflected the gravity of the crimes and the investigation uncovered the most disturbing
• 1:02:20
  child abuse evidence he has seen in his twenty eight years as an officer.
• 1:02:23
  Quote. Today's sentence does not mark the end of our investigations, and we
• 1:02:28
  will work tirelessly to identify any other victims or witnesses and seek the justice they
• 1:02:31
  deserve. I don't know if they found anything else, but I couldn't find
• 1:02:37
  any other stories yours? Why only thirty five years. I don't know.
• 1:02:43
  We're talking a ten month old child. So Suzanne Thomas of the Crown Prosecution
• 1:02:51
  Service said he is a highly dangerous, manipulative individual who preyed on his victor
• 1:02:54
  victims in a calculated manner. The other two defendants were active part sense in
• 1:03:00
  the most shocking abuse of their own children. It's not over. A day
• 1:03:04
  after admitting two counts of attempted rape of an infant before the trial, he
• 1:03:07
  told a female fan that he was going to issue a statement when he was
• 1:03:13
  sentenced, saying it had all been quote mega lols. Okay, so this
• 1:03:22
  is super haunting, because yeah, yeah, so this is super haunting basically
• 1:03:27
  because the phrase mega lols was used by the Lost Prophets on some of their
• 1:03:30
  t shirts. The group also performed in front of a backdrop that said mega
• 1:03:35
  lols on the main stage of the Reading Festive in twenty ten. But it's
• 1:03:40
  still not over. He takes no responsibility, only shows enough remorse about him
• 1:03:45
  being caught in nothing more. While in prison, he's been found to have
• 1:03:49
  through letters, bombarded a mom with demands for raunchy photos. He signs the
• 1:03:53
  letters as the King of Dancers and the boy Wonder. He was affectionate in
• 1:03:59
  parts of the letters, but becomes increasingly insistent and forceful as time goes on.
• 1:04:02
  The worst part about this is that the exchange started after he was convicted
• 1:04:08
  and lasted until twenty seventeen, all while the woman had a six year old
• 1:04:12
  daughter. She had to be blocked by the Ministry of Justice, who said
• 1:04:15
  that he posed a serious threat towards her daughter's safety and her own well being.
• 1:04:19
  So, yeah, okay, I know I live in Texas and Texas
• 1:04:25
  is on crack right now, but we're really good stuff like that, because
• 1:04:31
  he would not be allowed to get mail. It literally every document would be
• 1:04:36
  expected, and if it was anything besides hey, I loved your music,
• 1:04:44
  they wouldn't give it to you. And whoever's running that prison they need to
• 1:04:49
  stop him from getting any communication or are they to take it and go show
• 1:04:56
  the other inmates what he's asking for accidentally, because I can bet you they'll
• 1:05:00
  take care of me and show him what it feels like to be honest.
• 1:05:05
  Huh. So, yeah, she had to be blocked by the Ministry of
• 1:05:12
  Justice. Despite all of this, she still remained sympathetic to him and said
• 1:05:15
  that he was a sick man who should be in a hospital rather than a
• 1:05:17
  prison. She said, quote, I didn't think his messages were inappropriate.
• 1:05:21
  I think he's a bit of a flirt and it was just flirty stuff which
• 1:05:25
  went both ways. It was harmless. Despite that, somebody reported her to
• 1:05:29
  the police and social services. I believe social services may have either temporarily or
• 1:05:38
  taken her child. I cannot remember. I'm blanking, but it's all not
• 1:05:45
  over. In twenty nineteen, he was convicted of having a three inch g
• 1:05:49
  Star mobile in his cell. While being strip searched. They found it right
• 1:05:55
  up his old bum first to use the classic it's not mine. I it
• 1:06:01
  didn't. I don't. How do you have a mobile phone in your button?
• 1:06:06
  It's not yours? But okay, sat on it. He's that on
• 1:06:13
  it. That was it. He's that on by accident, looped up and
• 1:06:15
  everything in a glove. That's an additional ten years. Oh yeah, so
• 1:06:21
  he said after that excuse didn't play ball. He said he was worried his
• 1:06:26
  mother wouldn't be able to see him, so he wanted to speak with her,
• 1:06:29
  but he actually used his phone to contact at least one woman he knew
• 1:06:32
  who reported the cell phone possession to the police quote. She appeared at the
• 1:06:36
  trial stating that she had known Watkins back when she was nineteen and that the
• 1:06:41
  two had previously dated before breaking off contact in twenty twelve. The pair apparently
• 1:06:45
  reconnected back in twenty sixteen after he's in prison via letter's phone calls and emails
• 1:06:51
  sent legitimately from prison. So he was communicating with this woman without her consent
• 1:06:56
  via the cell phone that was taken away from him. He was convicted of
• 1:06:59
  that, and upon reaching date for parole, they're going to add ten months
• 1:07:01
  to his prison sentence. Ten months, I said, ten years. Yeah,
• 1:07:06
  yeah, it's still not over. Watkins was in the news two years
• 1:07:12
  prior after he got a mother arrested trying to allegedly groom her so that he
• 1:07:15
  could abuse her two year old son. She lost custody, thank god.
• 1:07:20
  Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, there's a lot of questions that
• 1:07:26
  come up with this, that come up with these kind of things when they're
• 1:07:29
  discovered. So if you had to ask one question about this, what would
• 1:07:32
  it be if they I'm hoping and don't know if this is really question.
• 1:07:41
  I'm sorry to say to Blue Cheese Olive, I can't smell your breast,
• 1:07:45
  So it's fine. They said they were still investigating. Yeah, are they
• 1:07:50
  potentially saving those charges for if he gets paroled. I don't know what this
• 1:07:59
  is. I don't why not just levy those charges, remove parole. It
• 1:08:10
  doesn't matter when you hold them, I mean, you don't want them out.
• 1:08:13
  I don't know. Maybe I'm working with the US to do charges in
• 1:08:16
  the US. Maybe the FBI or something's involved, because I'm thinking he needs
• 1:08:23
  to be a prison in the US somewhere because no offense. Guys, he
• 1:08:28
  would already be dead if he was in a Yeah. So throughout this whole
• 1:08:40
  thing, all I could think of was, does did anybody know about this?
• 1:08:44
  Could this have been stopped? He was telling the women, so you
• 1:08:47
  know, other people knew. So the answer was they did know about it.
• 1:08:54
  And if you weren't sensed by now, first, what's wrong with you?
• 1:08:57
  And second, you're about to be From here on, I'm going to
• 1:09:01
  be using the Vice article Why one of the World's biggest rock stars got away
• 1:09:04
  with child abuse by Kevin E. G. Perry, published October twenty seventeen.
• 1:09:09
  To be clear, the band did not know what he was doing.
• 1:09:13
  Quote. They put out a statement as bands are wont to do, they
• 1:09:17
  said, many of you understandably want to know if we knew what Ian was
• 1:09:20
  doing. To be clear, we did not. We are heartbroken, angry,
• 1:09:24
  and disgusted at what has been revealed. Our hearts go out to Ian's
• 1:09:27
  family, the fans and friends he betrayed, and most importantly, the victims
• 1:09:30
  of his crimes and others like them. The band discontinued immediately and stopped making
• 1:09:38
  music as lost profits. They are music artists, though, and they created
• 1:09:42
  a new band called No Devotion and pulled in a new singer. In response
• 1:09:45
  to that, the Bassis Stuart Richardson said, quote, we just wrote music.
• 1:09:49
  I mean I didn't know if anyone would ever want to hear it.
• 1:09:53
  I didn't know if anyone would Sorry, I didn't know if anyone would ever
• 1:09:57
  want to hear it. We didn't know what else to do. I mean,
• 1:10:00
  you know, nobody should stop them from writing writing music if they legitimately
• 1:10:05
  had no idea what was going on. And to be honest with the people
• 1:10:09
  who engage in these kind of acts, even with drugs involved, are usually
• 1:10:12
  pretty quiet about it from the people who were close to them. So agreed,
• 1:10:16
  but I can't help but think. I mean, I'm a female,
• 1:10:21
  so I can say this. We're not good at keeping our mouths shut and
• 1:10:26
  we like to tell shit. So well had to have told somebody because you
• 1:10:33
  well, yeah, so here we go. There were there were some that
• 1:10:38
  went forward, but how many did he proposition that rejected him? And that's
• 1:10:45
  my thing. You know, if you see something, say something, and
• 1:10:48
  I know times were a lot different and you were probably like, oh,
• 1:10:51
  it's just a rock star. He's on drugs. He didn't mean it,
• 1:10:57
  but you know, some but he had to have known. So yes,
• 1:11:02
  and we're about to get to that and it's gonna make you very angry.
• 1:11:08
  Let me take some more drinks. But also the next case, you know,
• 1:11:12
  the stock the stocking case. By the way, guys, the stocking
• 1:11:15
  cases we have the night are a lot shorter. This is a very long
• 1:11:18
  case, but it needed to be told. Yeah, yeah, they're not
• 1:11:23
  as I mean, they're dark, but they're not like this and uh,
• 1:11:26
  this, this this was a this was y'all. This was a case that
• 1:11:29
  that I wrote that ended up being thirty pages h like one and a half
• 1:11:34
  time space. But the reason why it's so long is because the story needs
• 1:11:39
  to be told completely in order to do justice to the victims. I'm not
• 1:11:43
  gonna tell. I'm not gonna half ass a story like this, no matter
• 1:11:46
  how hard it is to talk about, no matter how much I don't want
• 1:11:48
  to include some stuff just like this is something that happened to them. You'll
• 1:11:54
  notice. I also, obviously, other than not having it, I will
• 1:11:57
  not name them in any way, shape or form, no matter if I
• 1:11:59
  saw the names are not so yeah, so here it is. We're I'm
• 1:12:04
  gonna hear a collective what the what the fuck? While his band didn't know
• 1:12:10
  what he was doing, guess who had a hunch The South Wales Police excuse
• 1:12:20
  me? Even though yep, even though he was not arrested until December of
• 1:12:26
  twenty twelve, the police were first given information four years earlier. Quote on
• 1:12:32
  the twenty ninth of December two thousand and eight, watkins ex girlfriend Joanne,
• 1:12:40
  Oh this is there are so many consonants together, Joanne. Mead Zelik.
• 1:12:45
  I'm gonna go with mead Zelik phoned Ronda sign and Half Children's Services to report
• 1:12:50
  that he had told her that he had given an infant cocaine, as well
• 1:12:54
  as touching the child in a sexual way. Children's Services passed this information to
• 1:12:58
  South Wales Police, who began in investigation, but by May of nine they
• 1:13:02
  decided there was insufficient evidence and no further action was taken. Over the next
• 1:13:06
  four years, multiple women, including joe Anne, on several occasions, made
• 1:13:12
  complaints to the police about Watkins drug use, possession of indecent images of children,
• 1:13:15
  sexual interest in children. All of those complaints were dismissed because the police
• 1:13:21
  were not doing their jobs. His ex joe Anne tried to gather evidence against
• 1:13:25
  him to present to them. In twenty fifteen, she stood trial. Manne
• 1:13:32
  get some more. Okay, why so did they just say dismiss it?
• 1:13:42
  Oh, because she's a crazy, drama filled woman who's an ex and wants
• 1:13:48
  to cause harm? Or were they just stupid ef and idiots? I think
• 1:13:56
  I mentioned it in here. If not, I will so. So the
• 1:14:02
  police weren't doing the jobs. Joeanne tried to gather evidences against Ian to present
• 1:14:10
  to the police. In twenty fifteen, she stood trial for possessing and distributing
• 1:14:15
  the child sex abuse images that she tried to use to trap him. So
• 1:14:20
  she got in trouble for sharing them to try to get him in trouble.
• 1:14:27
  Okay, guys, hold on, I'm about to get on Nancy Grace.
• 1:14:30
  Well, before you get a Nancy Grace, let me just tell you she
• 1:14:33
  was cleared of any charges and wrongdoing. I don't care. I don't give
• 1:14:39
  a shit if someone brings you proof, photographic proof, because obviously you don't
• 1:14:47
  know how to do your damn job, or you don't care enough to do
• 1:14:49
  your job. You won't believe me. So I have to send you or
• 1:14:54
  show you proof, and then you want to turn around and file charges and
• 1:14:59
  try traumatize her for trying to do the right thing and protecting these kids that
• 1:15:06
  the mothers didn't or weren't capable of. I don't want to be too judgy.
• 1:15:13
  Did the officers who didn't look into it? Did they get in trouble?
• 1:15:16
  Please tell me yes. So. At her own trial, Joanne described
• 1:15:32
  how the police this is a quote, had failed to act on the information
• 1:15:35
  she provided them with. At one point, she took one of the mothers
• 1:15:39
  that Watkins was grooming to the police, telling them that the woman was totally
• 1:15:43
  obsessed with Watkins and her baby will be raped by him, she said.
• 1:15:47
  A police officer dismissed her claim by saying that she had clearly just been really
• 1:15:51
  upset by her ex boyfriend. I'm sorry he should be accountable or the same
• 1:16:03
  thing we have. We have a friend who I'm sure has friends that lives
• 1:16:10
  in Wales. So pop it, you know, send me a message.
• 1:16:18
  Hey, if you find that officer's name, it is only one hundred and
• 1:16:24
  thirty seven dollars to fly from Finland over to London. I can go and
• 1:16:30
  find some officers and ask them some questions and tell them they think that lady
• 1:16:36
  was all crazy. They hadn't seen nothing yet. Oh yeah, so Joanne
• 1:16:45
  first learned of This is the rest of the quote. Joanne first learned of
• 1:16:48
  Watkins's sexual attraction to children in September of seven, when she had been dating
• 1:16:53
  him for a round a years. She told the trial that Watkins had described
• 1:16:56
  raping a twelve year old girl in Los Angeles, and then in the following
• 1:17:00
  December sent her a photograph of a five year old girl who he described as
• 1:17:02
  quote super flirty, posing with cocaine. He quote he just said, you
• 1:17:09
  know what little girls are like, She said in court. My heart sank
• 1:17:13
  because it made me ill. I was completely confused. I was totally in
• 1:17:16
  love with the man, yet he sent me this picture. How could I
• 1:17:19
  be in love with a man that sends that image? Due to her testimony,
• 1:17:24
  the South Wales Police were the subjects of an independent Police Complaints Commission investigation.
• 1:17:30
  While the investigation determined there was no evidence to show that police were impacted
• 1:17:34
  by watkins celebrity and perhaps that's true, it just shows me that it was
• 1:17:40
  sheer, goddamn incompetence and misogyny. What they did find was quote initial police
• 1:17:45
  assessment of Joanne's credibility impacted negatively on the police response over a four year period.
• 1:17:53
  All those involved in responding excepted the initial skeptical view of miss joe Anne's
• 1:17:59
  reports, demonstrating a lack of open mindedness and professional curiosity. This continued until
• 1:18:05
  the quote the right type of complaintant came along? Okay, what is the
• 1:18:14
  right type a man? I don't, I don't, I don't. I
• 1:18:18
  don't fucking know. The incompetence was literally all over the board. But when
• 1:18:25
  Joanne reported Watkins and said that she had a text message on her phone that
• 1:18:29
  Watkins sent her in August of seven saying he wanted to have sex with children,
• 1:18:33
  the police never looked at her phone. Okay, I'm gonna end with
• 1:18:45
  a quote from the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children spokesperson,
• 1:18:50
  This report's stamning conclusion should be a wake up call for all those involved.
• 1:18:55
  That a simple, unchecked mobile phone could have helped prevent further abuse by Watkins
• 1:19:00
  is unthinkable and just one cause for significant concern amongst this catalog of basic failures.
• 1:19:05
  While Watkins is now thankfully behind bars where he belongs, and improvements have
• 1:19:10
  already been made by South Wales Police, it's clear that very serious mistakes were
• 1:19:15
  made in handling multiple early allegations and this report's recommendations must be adopted swiftly.
• 1:19:20
  It is an incredibly difficult step to report child abuse, so it is imperative
• 1:19:27
  that when people do speak out, they have the utmost. They have the
• 1:19:43
  ut they have the utmost confidence that what they are reporting will be taken seriously
• 1:19:46
  and acted upon immediately. In some ways that it is most damning. The
• 1:19:51
  IPCC investigation found that Ian Watkins was not given special treatment by the police because
• 1:19:58
  he was a celebrity, that he didn't get away with it for so long
• 1:20:00
  because he was famous, but because the woman, the women who spoke up
• 1:20:04
  against him simply weren't believed. Ian is currently housed in HM Prison Wakefield,
• 1:20:13
  known as the Monster House, where prisoners like Charles Bronson are housed. And
• 1:20:16
  I say that serves him fucking right. And I think that they should room
• 1:20:20
  him together with Charles Bronson. And that's the end of that goddamn case.
• 1:20:30
  I do not feel good. I don't think learning a lesson is the appropriate
• 1:20:43
  response from them, and I don't think he should ever saved a light of
• 1:20:51
  day. He's not learning lessons. He's still talking. He's not he's still
• 1:20:58
  doing it. I didn't think that last quote was gonna catch me, and
• 1:21:04
  it did. I Yeah, this case made me so angry. Obviously,
• 1:21:17
  I've never this is briefly gonna make me sound heartless, but like I've never
• 1:21:24
  actually cried over reading a sentencing document, I've never cried over a case.
• 1:21:30
  I cried over this one for so many reasons. Won those moms, but
• 1:21:39
  not first first the kids, but won, but also those moms if they
• 1:21:45
  did indeed mean ill, well they ki Yeah, I sorry. They put
• 1:21:57
  their selves and their love of a rock star above their own child. And
• 1:22:06
  I'm Okay, now I'm gonna get emotional. I personally, I think that's
• 1:22:13
  worse than what he did. In my opinion, there is not a human
• 1:22:27
  on this earth. I don't. I'm trying to put myself in any other
• 1:22:32
  situation. I'm trying to put myself in a situation of needing money. I'm
• 1:22:35
  trying to put myself in a situation if I'm young and I like but having
• 1:22:41
  kids that I have are just there. There is not one person, not
• 1:22:47
  even Tom Holland, that could convince me to do anything to that degree,
• 1:22:57
  even remotely close to that. There is There is no even there's not a
• 1:23:00
  person that would even get my children involved in a conversation that I have with
• 1:23:04
  them. As I said, I, in my opinion, I think the
• 1:23:14
  bombs are even more horrific because they carried this child, they fet this child,
• 1:23:27
  they wake up with this child. They're supposed to be the good person
• 1:23:31
  who takes care of them and protects them. So them blatantly making that decision.
• 1:23:43
  I am not a proponent of sterilization. Oh but I am a proponent
• 1:23:48
  of sterilization. Mhm. I So he's for parole in twenty nine, When
• 1:24:00
  does he officially get out if he's never given parole, So thirty what I
• 1:24:10
  want to say, I don't math, remember, I definitely don't gas math
• 1:24:15
  gas math. Okay, Oh wait, hold on, he's actually there's eligibility
• 1:24:25
  to apply for parole in twenty thirty one. Sorry, I had that wrong,
• 1:24:29
  followed by six years of quote supervised police whatever. Okay, we're gonna
• 1:24:34
  trust the police to freaking supervising. The sentencing document was written and put together
• 1:24:43
  in two tho twenty thirteen. He was given thirty five years. That puts
• 1:24:47
  it at forty six twenty forty six. He is not going to get parole.
• 1:24:54
  I don't There's there is no chance, Like I can't see it.
• 1:25:00
  And if it does happen, I hope that there are marches and streets.
• 1:25:04
  I really do. He really wasn't that important. But truly, truly,
• 1:25:10
  this man does not need to see the light of day again. And I'm
• 1:25:15
  serious he needs he that's a good question. I just looked it up.
• 1:25:20
  Oh God, don't tell me he does. Twins March twenty sixteen, Two
• 1:25:29
  Sons Twins twenty six TEENA A surrogate. Okay, so he's he's he's Ah,
• 1:25:46
  none of this should have been allowed. None of this should have been
• 1:25:49
  allowed. That's my whole thing. Because he was in jail. He was
• 1:25:55
  in prison. Is he getting conjugal visits where he can put a donation to
• 1:26:03
  have it born by a sergeant? I don't know if it was his.
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  Okay? And then he came out as gay in twenty two that way,
• 1:26:20
  Oh my god, Oh my gosh. Yes, he's now in a relationship
• 1:26:30
  with a guy named Tom and they became fathers to twin sons, Mason and
• 1:26:39
  Sibby in twenty sixteen. You know, Okay, is this the wrong guy?
• 1:26:46
  Hold on? Is there two but guys with the same name Ian Watkins.
• 1:26:55
  Oh, because it says not to be confused with Anne Watkins, the
• 1:26:58
  Lost Prophet singer. There's two Ian Watkins. I was sitting here about to
• 1:27:04
  lose my shit, but hold on, so I'm sorry. I the other
• 1:27:15
  thing, you know, he is still eligible to get royalties from their music.
• 1:27:24
  Ian is yes, awesome. By the way, the whole twins thing,
• 1:27:30
  that dude, Ian Watkins is totally fine. There's nothing wrong with Ian
• 1:27:33
  Watkins. However, it is really funny that Ian Watkins, the other guy
• 1:27:38
  was born in seventy six, one year before. He is from Wales.
• 1:27:42
  He's also got a music career in pop. So that's why I was confused
• 1:27:46
  because it said musician. So see, I wonder if that's why he goes
• 1:27:50
  by Ian H Watkins. I'm going to just go on the record and say,
• 1:27:58
  H Watkins, you might want to change your name. It's not hard.
• 1:28:02
  I did it. It's a little bit of paperwork. Got to post
• 1:28:06
  some ads in the newspaper and onlines for people to, you know, protests.
• 1:28:11
  I would suggest you change your name. Do you see a picture of
• 1:28:15
  him? I did? He as cute, isn't he? It's out looks
• 1:28:25
  as doorable, looks like Ken. He does kind of look a little like
• 1:28:30
  Ken. That's true. Now I don't I'm concerned that he is still eligible
• 1:28:34
  to receive royalties for their music being played or purchased. Shouldn't you lose that
• 1:28:44
  right? I see? So here's the thing where we're we're talking about in
• 1:28:49
  the United States where you lose literally fucking everything. I don't know about the
• 1:28:57
  UK. Let's see. I looked up lost profit sales twenty twenty three and
• 1:29:05
  the first thing that came up was is anyone still listening to lost profits?
• 1:29:11
  Oh? Wait? Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on
• 1:29:15
  what I said, because they shouldn't issue go to a victim fun. Uh
• 1:29:30
  sorry, I was I was trying to find there was there was there was
• 1:29:36
  an answer here that I thought I saw, but apparently not. Oh wait
• 1:29:49
  hm V the retailer. Oh, retailers have been removing their albums, so,
• 1:29:56
  I mean remove their album a while ago. So I don't you know,
• 1:30:00
  it's it's it's just it's one of those things where I don't know.
• 1:30:04
  Oh my god, did you see this. On the morning of August fifth,
• 1:30:11
  twenty twenty three, what Can was taken hostage by three other inmates a
• 1:30:15
  HM prison Wakefield. It was finally freed by prison officers six hours later.
• 1:30:23
  Police later confirmed his injuries from being stabbed were not life threatening. Wow,
• 1:30:30
  oh that's like what happened to what's his face? The Olympic police officer?
• 1:30:35
  You know, the well the police officer. But also wasn't the uh was
• 1:30:42
  it just the police officer? Wasn't the Olympic Jim Taurus? This thing?
• 1:30:48
  Wasn't he also stabbed or something? I don't know, It doesn't matter.
• 1:30:53
  That's unfortunately should have done a better job stabbing. They need to work on
• 1:30:57
  their shank technology, you know, technical things. So, yeah, I
• 1:31:04
  art breaks for these children. They were absolute innocence. Their mothers led them
• 1:31:15
  to the lions Den, and this is life long trauma that even as a
• 1:31:25
  survivor of sexual abuse, I cannot imagine if that trauma was compounded by the
• 1:31:32
  fact my mother right to do it. So this is kind of what he
• 1:31:41
  looked like at the height of everything. Yeah, but this is what he
• 1:31:47
  looked like when he was arrested. Drugs are one hell of a drug.
• 1:31:57
  I mean, he he should have stayed away from drugs. But I'm also
• 1:32:01
  a firm believer you don't turn into a vicious paedophile from drugs. It's already
• 1:32:13
  in you. You're already evil. You are already a despicable person. All
• 1:32:24
  right, we need we need to do something lighter, like stalking. I
• 1:32:30
  need to say it that way, because that is not I've kind of got
• 1:32:33
  my dogs hanging out in my office. Both of the girls are in here,
• 1:32:38
  having been stocked myself by an ex girlfriend's former boyfriend and subsequently beaten up
• 1:32:46
  in her apartment because I don't fight. Stalking is not funny or lighter relative
• 1:32:55
  to this case that I just told though, Yeah, yes, Polly,
• 1:32:59
  please, he's let others know they can come back. Yes, you give
• 1:33:03
  thank you a couple of But this is missus Jasmine Rose. She is ten.
• 1:33:14
  Huh. She looks great for being ten. Holy cow, she is
• 1:33:18
  the best cuddle bug. When I call in bed every night, all I
• 1:33:23
  do is pat right there. She comes up and she literally gets right there,
• 1:33:28
  gets around my arm like this. I roll over and go to sleep,
• 1:33:30
  and when I flip side, she goes with me. She's perfect.
• 1:33:38
  She thank you so much for being here. Yes, I appreciate you.
• 1:33:43
  That brutal he's come in. He's here. Oh my god. Okay,
• 1:33:53
  now I feel like he came in perfect time because we're over the music stuff
• 1:33:59
  and we made it. No, it's probably good that eighties didn't. I
• 1:34:02
  mean, eighties probably knows about Ian Watkins. And if you don't, don't,
• 1:34:06
  don't google it. She's so adorable I can't believe. Like so stella
• 1:34:13
  right who who? Well? No correction, my family dog Yuki. Long
• 1:34:17
  time ago. As she got older around ten, in her a little earlier,
• 1:34:23
  she actually started getting like darker hair, like darker, darker hair.
• 1:34:28
  Jasmine looks awesome for ten. Well, and if you look. She has
• 1:34:33
  angel wings on her back. She has angel wings and when we during the
• 1:34:41
  summer, when we shave her, that's really prominent. And then she has
• 1:34:45
  her skid mark is what double H calls it, her skid mark with her
• 1:34:49
  angel wings. But they are true angel wings. They are white angel wings.
• 1:34:54
  Amazing, it's perfect. Well, everybody, I wish I had a
• 1:35:08
  I should have made some kind of funny ass video or something to break the
• 1:35:13
  to do a halftime routine. I mean, I guess I could. I
• 1:35:17
  think everybody, if you've ever seen Gray's Anatomy, everybody should stand up where
• 1:35:24
  they are and do a ten second happy dance. I have lipstick an eyeliner.
• 1:35:30
  I could do that. Make the last Okay, Yes, I want
• 1:35:32
  to see you put lipstick on. Lock Daspin, He's gonna put makeup on
• 1:35:39
  like we watch. We watched Jessa, and we watch Renee, the Menudo
• 1:35:44
  singer who does make up on TikTok Daniel Renee I think is his name,
• 1:35:49
  and Jasmine watches make up with me. Yes, dance it out, Amy,
• 1:35:55
  I'm gonna do that way you do makeup. Let's dance, do a
• 1:36:00
  little dance, make a little love, get down, tonight, Jasmine's like,
• 1:36:06
  Mom, you've lost your freaking mind? Are you trying to cut us
• 1:36:16
  off? Always giving us music to do his lips? Okay, I'm loving
• 1:36:32
  this. Can I record this? Oh wait, never mind, it's recording.
• 1:36:43
  Okay? Do I dare ask? Why you have a lipstick in the
• 1:36:46
  eyeliner on the ready at your station? Ooh, that is a great color.
• 1:37:10
  I like the color. All right, we might as well just continue
• 1:37:18
  on. I'll just leave it on. It is a good color. It
• 1:37:20
  ended up being a good choice. I like that color. I still say,
• 1:37:25
  you're gonna need to join me for makeup and the headlines one day on
• 1:37:28
  TikTok. When I do my makeup in the mornings, I will say I've
• 1:37:31
  gotten some nasty comments and to me and my DMS, I you know,
• 1:37:36
  you know I took I freaking bought an entire palette of like eyeshadow, and
• 1:37:42
  Carrie took it. So I take that as a compliment that I picked a
• 1:37:45
  good one. Cool here, we are cool? Well do we wanna?
• 1:37:51
  My case is dark? But after what we just went through, I almost
• 1:37:58
  feel like it's not. I mean, it shows you where you can get
• 1:38:02
  a numbing effect. After that, my case doesn't seem so bad, and
• 1:38:09
  I think that is a big indication of the way the world works. But
• 1:38:15
  I am still a firm believer that the victims need to have their stories told.
• 1:38:21
  And I also think we all need to learn from the mistakes people made.
• 1:38:29
  And when I say mistakes, I'm not victim blaming. I'm looking at
• 1:38:32
  situations that you put yourself into, people you associate yourself with because you didn't
• 1:38:38
  know the red flags because you didn't learn about them. Okay, doubleh is
• 1:38:45
  worried about the dogs and wanting to know where they are. So I'm letting
• 1:38:49
  him know because I don't normally let them in here because when I'm on conference
• 1:38:58
  calls, I can't have them in here. So but I wanted to just
• 1:39:02
  say that because I think it's important. And I will tell you I have
• 1:39:10
  learned so many things that I do and I thought I was very self aware
• 1:39:15
  when I'm in public and in situations, but once I joined our SERT team,
• 1:39:23
  I learned I wasn't as well aware as I should be. So I
• 1:39:29
  do think by covering cases like this, and I will tell you now,
• 1:39:32
  if a rock star ever talks to me, I'm running the other direction.
• 1:39:39
  After that, I'm running the other direction as just red flag. So Kelly,
• 1:39:50
  so am I That's why I've been married three times because I didn't see
• 1:39:57
  the red flags and I was dumb enough to marry them. Though, hey,
• 1:40:00
  you've found it worked out in the end, I'm not saying I'm not
• 1:40:04
  discounting frustration and pain before that. Oh No, I have no regrets because
• 1:40:10
  if I would not have married loser number one, I would have never had
• 1:40:14
  my kids because then I wound up getting cancer and having a hysterect To me,
• 1:40:18
  if I wouldn't have married number two, I would have never moved to
• 1:40:21
  Dallas, and I would have never met double H. So when they say
• 1:40:30
  things happen for a reason, they happen for a reason. And I will
• 1:40:34
  never be ashamed of making those mistakes. So now, and I love that
• 1:40:43
  everybody's talking about makeup palettes. So why y'all are doing that? Since for
• 1:40:47
  those of you that don't know, on TikTok, I do makeup in true
• 1:40:50
  crime headlines and I am adding to my makeup collection and loving to try new
• 1:40:58
  makeups. So drop them in here and I will write them down and order
• 1:41:02
  them and try them. I just ordered a bunch of pie louise stuff and
• 1:41:06
  I'm waiting for it to come in. This is Revlin. That's okay,
• 1:41:14
  twenty number twenty six. It's called getting serious. Ooh, I like it.
• 1:41:21
  Is it Matt or does it have any shine to it? I can't
• 1:41:25
  tell because I'm a shine girl. I would be adding gloss to that.
• 1:41:30
  Yeah, I would need to add plumping, so that plump is like what
• 1:41:34
  I do. It's like when I do my nails, I always add a
• 1:41:36
  Matt top code noll. We not always, it just depends. It depends
• 1:41:43
  on what it is. Why would your nails be Matt. I love so
• 1:41:50
  like this one that I have. So it doesn't have a shine, I
• 1:41:53
  guess is what you're saying. Yeah, it doesn't have like a glossy Yeah,
• 1:41:57
  it doesn't gloss. But also I really love, like I love like
• 1:42:00
  a matte blue or a Matte even a Matte red or black is really awesome.
• 1:42:04
  So yeah, I'm all about the glita. I got to have the
• 1:42:09
  Glita on here. So so, guys, my case is a short case
• 1:42:17
  and it is in Texas, and I chose this case because it's the same
• 1:42:24
  last name as your case. That's trying if you notice an acid too,
• 1:42:30
  and it was an act, but I I was going to change. When
• 1:42:32
  I saw it, I was like, oh my god, did we pick
• 1:42:34
  the same case? And I had to go look. I'm like, okay,
• 1:42:38
  no we didn't because I was really worried. So buckle up. It's
• 1:42:45
  not horrible. But before I get into this, I want to first say,
• 1:42:49
  and I know this group, you guys won't, but I want to
• 1:42:55
  put this out there for anybody who's watching on Facebook instead of YouTube, do
• 1:43:00
  not drop comments to me shaming this victim for her career choices, because I
• 1:43:08
  will not accept that. And if I see it, you will get blocked.
• 1:43:13
  And if you set up a new one, I'll block you because no
• 1:43:15
  one deserves to be murdered. Okay, And I'm just throwing that out there.
• 1:43:23
  Abigail Saldana was a stunning twenty two year old Texas woman who is the
• 1:43:27
  mom of I'll tell you, guys, absolutely adorable five year old son.
• 1:43:31
  She worked as a brow artist and an exotic dancer to be able to make
• 1:43:36
  ends meet and to be able to support her son. Okay, and before
• 1:43:43
  we get into this, I decided to do some deep diving, and guys,
• 1:43:49
  I went down a rabbit hole. I don't know a lot about the
• 1:43:54
  exotic dancer industry. I do know back in my younger days I trained dancers
• 1:44:01
  to dance, but I didn't know anything about how it worked so or what
• 1:44:10
  they go through. So it has estimated forty to seventy five percent of exotic
• 1:44:15
  dancers suffered sexual abuse during their childhood and that they feel that by dancing they
• 1:44:21
  are reclaiming their bodies. I struggle with that because we need to do better
• 1:44:31
  with mental health and with trauma, and the majority of exotic dancers get into
• 1:44:36
  the business for financial reasons. They are able to make enough money to support
• 1:44:43
  their children as a single mom, and they can work while their child's sleeping
• 1:44:50
  and still be there and be attentive for their kid. Now. I also
• 1:44:56
  decided to look how much you know it was made and how clubs work and
• 1:45:02
  guys. I went down a rabbit hole for sure on this one, because
• 1:45:05
  I was like, how do the clubs make money? Right? Because the
• 1:45:12
  girls keep right well. They charge a cover charge, they also sell very
• 1:45:19
  high priced drinks, and they charge the dancers a stage fee or a house
• 1:45:26
  fee, which can be a set fee or percentage of the tips that they
• 1:45:30
  make a night, and guys they have to tip out the bartenders, the
• 1:45:39
  bouncers, and the DJs, so the money they make they have to share.
• 1:45:46
  So it's like waiters, waitresses and the bus boys or bus people.
• 1:45:58
  Yeah, you're charging a cover charge and you're selling high priced drinks. Shouldn't
• 1:46:02
  you be paying them people out of your pockets, not your entertainers. So
• 1:46:11
  now some of the more established clubs do not have their dancers tip out since
• 1:46:16
  they charge them a stage fee. They're like, if we're gonna charge you
• 1:46:19
  the stage fee, you know they're gonna pay for those. But I also
• 1:46:26
  found it interesting. If you order a drink and you're a customer and you've
• 1:46:33
  got a dancer sitting with you, your drink price is more because she gets
• 1:46:40
  a cut of the drink. So if it's normally five dollars, they'll charge
• 1:46:45
  seven and they will hand her two dollars when you get the drink. And
• 1:46:50
  then some the dancers aren't allowed to drink if the customers buy it, but
• 1:46:56
  they can order it, so they can order a martini but it comes out
• 1:47:00
  and it's non alcoholic, but they pocket half of the money that the drink
• 1:47:08
  cost and they charge that customer full price. Here's what I really dislike about.
• 1:47:16
  You know, I really should be more drunk with this, but I've
• 1:47:19
  drank the whole bottle. That case that I said was really sobering. What
• 1:47:30
  what pisses me off is that I'm just in this mode right now because I'm
• 1:47:34
  having to pay for a whole HVAC system and we're like constantly in debt,
• 1:47:39
  et cetera. And I know I'm not the only one. I'm not special.
• 1:47:43
  But what's drives me crazy is that it's like situation where they need to
• 1:47:47
  stay there, do you know what I mean? Like how dare they make
• 1:47:55
  all the tips? And we don't get any even if we say that it's
• 1:47:59
  in the way of paying something else. So like I get like, like
• 1:48:04
  in any any like antique show or like flea market, you pay for your
• 1:48:11
  spot, right, I get that, Like you pay for your tables.
• 1:48:16
  Yeah, I paid for my booth. Yeah. Anything past that. It's
• 1:48:24
  just ridiculous, just in just insane. You know what I'm pretty sure of.
• 1:48:30
  I bet they would pay me to get off the statee. And I
• 1:48:36
  will be honest. When I was doing this research, I saw that there
• 1:48:41
  is one of these establishments in Austin that has amateur night and you can strip
• 1:48:48
  down to a bikini. You don't have to take it all off, and
• 1:48:51
  you get to keep whatever you make. I was like, I pay you.
• 1:48:55
  They would pay me a lot of money to get me off the stage.
• 1:48:59
  I am, in, do they like a side of chest hair with
• 1:49:04
  their bikinis? Because boom in in. I've like if they wanted me to
• 1:49:11
  take my clothes off. I got stretch marks. And for those that don't,
• 1:49:15
  you know, had breast cancer, so I had misectomy and reconstructive surgery.
• 1:49:20
  I'm just gonna tell you there there's a lot of scars there and they're
• 1:49:25
  not pretty ready. You're human, You've been through some shit. You're human,
• 1:49:32
  I am. But I ahh likes them. He said. Every one
• 1:49:38
  of those scars is very special. But I'm just gonna say, the general
• 1:49:42
  public would pay me to get off. But I do want to point out
• 1:49:45
  it is illegal in every state except one for prostitution, for dancers to get
• 1:49:53
  paid for sex with their customers. Do you know which state it's legal?
• 1:49:59
  You tah Nevada where the bunny ranch and stuff is. Oh yeah, Nevada.
• 1:50:14
  Okay, all right, all right, back where the Kardashian's husband,
• 1:50:18
  like, oh deed at the Bunny ranch and almost died the basketball player guy,
• 1:50:26
  I don't remember. Oh anyway, I don't know anything past like the
• 1:50:30
  initial like names. I know nothing about. I do want to ask this
• 1:50:33
  as as you're telling your story. I want I want people to post in
• 1:50:38
  the chat. And there's only so many of you. But but what would
• 1:50:42
  Terry and my uh sex worker name be or I guess stripper name B?
• 1:50:46
  What? What? What would they be? You all put that in the
• 1:50:49
  chat? That's what I want. I don't know, Okay, I that
• 1:50:56
  will be funny. Uh now it is illegal, but I did find this
• 1:51:01
  interesting. Detroit in Houston, my hometown, are the two top cities that
• 1:51:09
  have rampant occurrences of prostitution linked to strip clubs where some of the strip club
• 1:51:15
  owners and managers take a cut of what they get paid for sex. That
• 1:51:24
  it's called organized pimping. It is, I'm like, and the fact that
• 1:51:30
  I could find so many articles about it. But here's where it gets scary.
• 1:51:34
  Seventy nine percent of dancers report being stalked by customers. Sixty one percent
• 1:51:42
  say they have been physically assaulted by customers. That's disgusting. Okay, so
• 1:51:50
  I'm going to address this one. So, yes, I don't know what
• 1:51:59
  which one they should down in Beaumont. My cousin and I will try to
• 1:52:04
  say this without crying. Christy who was murdered. We covered her in an
• 1:52:10
  episode. Her ex worked at one of the establishments in Beaumont and that's where
• 1:52:19
  he met his new girlfriend. And they murdered my cousin and they didn't get
• 1:52:31
  closed down, and the manager knew that the guy was sketchy. It's just
• 1:52:42
  a whole thing. Yeah, that just sent me down a whole different path
• 1:52:47
  in my head. Sorry. Yeah, but I also want to say not
• 1:52:56
  every strip club is. I have been to many of them. JT.
• 1:53:03
  I think you've said you've never been in one. I have been to many
• 1:53:06
  of them. I have a he was a really good friend and he was
• 1:53:14
  gay, but he left boobs. We would go have lunch at the strip
• 1:53:16
  club and just hang out because he liked it. And I will tell you
• 1:53:21
  I met some really nice girls and they're not bad people. But I think
• 1:53:29
  the fact that seventy nine percent say they've been stalked by customers is a problem.
• 1:53:39
  Yeah, that's that's that's the I and then sixty one were physically assaulted.
• 1:53:49
  And while reading these stats, fifty percent of those well, why they
• 1:53:54
  were in the club where they were dancing, not in the parking lot,
• 1:54:00
  not when they left, in the establishment. And that tells me, Yeah,
• 1:54:12
  if you're if you're, if you're gonna run an establishment like that,
• 1:54:15
  you better sure as hell have some way of protecting your employees, because that's
• 1:54:23
  what they are. I don't care if you call it. You know what
• 1:54:26
  these these they say that the bouncers walk the girls or the dancers out to
• 1:54:33
  the car to make sure they make it safe. My question is, what
• 1:54:40
  about inside the damn club? Yep, yep, that's oh so that I
• 1:54:54
  found excessively disturbing. Now, I'm going to tell you a funny story real
• 1:55:01
  quick before we get into the case. About a time I went to a
• 1:55:04
  strip club and it was a Friday night and it was a nice one.
• 1:55:11
  It was very posh. We were in the VIP section, which I never
• 1:55:15
  knew they had a VIP section, but they do. A bachelorette party came
• 1:55:19
  in to the strip club to have her bachelorette party. The bachelor party showed
• 1:55:30
  up to the same strip club. Beyonces are in the same strip club,
• 1:55:39
  and I will tell you I was worried. I was like, oh my
• 1:55:43
  god, somebody's going to come to blows. They joined together and we sat
• 1:55:47
  and watched them for like an hour hang out and have fun. And then
• 1:55:51
  they split up and went their own ways. But I was like, that
• 1:55:56
  marriage has a damn good chance of making it. Sure does, Sure as
• 1:56:01
  hell does. Thankfully done. That's so fun. So now we're gonna go
• 1:56:09
  into more talk about Abigail. She lived in the Dallas Fort Worth area.
• 1:56:14
  She did work part time as a dancer at Rick's Cabaret. I couldn't find
• 1:56:18
  exactly how long she worked there, but for several years she did. In
• 1:56:26
  early October of twenty twenty one, Abigail posted to her Instagram account about finding
• 1:56:32
  a tracking device under her car and that she was very freaked out about it.
• 1:56:40
  Yeah, I would be too freaked out. She told the club management
• 1:56:46
  about it and told him that she was being harassed and stalked by a customer
• 1:56:50
  of the club. Guys. I couldn't find that she ever reported this to
• 1:56:55
  the police. And I'm going to just say, and I feel come wile
• 1:57:00
  saying this because I live in Texas, she prayed. Didn't feel comfortable reporting
• 1:57:03
  it to the police. I can just see them say, ah, well,
• 1:57:08
  look at your career choices. Just my thought, but that's what you
• 1:57:15
  sweat. I'm going to go out on a lemon. Say so, guys.
• 1:57:18
  Two weeks later, October twenty sixth, around eight thirty pm, nine
• 1:57:23
  one one received a call regarding a terrible car wreck. A car went off
• 1:57:29
  the road and crashed. It was a silver Hondaia and there was bullet holes
• 1:57:34
  in the door and the driver was unresponsive in the car, so somebody shot
• 1:57:42
  her as she was trying to get onto the freeway. Police arrived at the
• 1:57:46
  scene and they found the deceased, twenty year old Abigail Saldana. They found
• 1:57:51
  her passport an ID in the car. She had been shot three times.
• 1:57:57
  When they were looking in her car, they found what the articles. It
• 1:58:02
  infuriated me, They said her stripper clothes. I fought clothes at a stripper
• 1:58:10
  store to wear out in public, so I don't think you should call them
• 1:58:13
  stripper clothes. But anyway, she had her exotic dancer costume and the car
• 1:58:19
  was right down from Rix Cabaret. You could see Rix from where her car
• 1:58:24
  was. So they saw this and they were like, oh, let's go
• 1:58:29
  check and see if she's an employee there. Sure enough, she was an
• 1:58:32
  employee of Ricks. However, she was not working that day. She had
• 1:58:36
  not been to the club that day. She was out doing her normal stuff.
• 1:58:42
  Now, her mom talked to her around six six thirty that night,
• 1:58:45
  and she was out running errands and had things to do. But kudos to
• 1:58:51
  the management. They told the officers immediately, Hey, she just posted this
• 1:58:59
  to her insta. Let me show you. This was just two weeks ago.
• 1:59:01
  Somebody was tracking her. She was being harassed and stalked by a customer
• 1:59:09
  who we call him Stan, and we know he's a veteran, and that
• 1:59:14
  he had been bothering Abigail for some time, and that they suspected he was
• 1:59:19
  the guy who put the tracking device on her car, which gave the police
• 1:59:24
  the ability to very quickly find out who he was. I am not going
• 1:59:30
  to allow him to get any more infamy because I'm not going to share his
• 1:59:35
  full name. We're just going to say he is Stan the creeper. So
• 1:59:43
  now, during the police's research, they found his social media accounts and they
• 1:59:47
  were disturbed by posts he made back in twenty twenty one, where he said
• 1:59:53
  that Abby instead of Abigail, was his girlfriend, but that he was disappointed
• 1:59:58
  that she was a prostitu. He even took screenshots of her post and reposted
• 2:00:05
  them, adding his own personal comments. So, guys, he was stalking
• 2:00:12
  and bothering her for over a year, Okay, Yeah, I mean,
• 2:00:18
  and what makes me sad she did not feel comfortable going to the police and
• 2:00:26
  telling them maybe, And I don't shame her, I shame the police for
• 2:00:31
  being judgment a little pricks. I mean, look at what the cops are
• 2:00:35
  doing with the Chase Lackey case. They're like, oh, he got involved
• 2:00:39
  in pot for six months, We're not going to go look for it.
• 2:00:42
  You know, they judge people love it and they shouldn't. I love it
• 2:00:45
  when people's religious values determine whether or not they actually do their goddamn jobs.
• 2:00:54
  Yeah. I'm starting to feel like police officers are like weatherman. They cannot
• 2:01:00
  get their job right fifty percent of the time and still keep it. And
• 2:01:05
  weathermen have a good reason for that, because it's a prediction. Right.
• 2:01:11
  I am, I am. I'm a firm believer that unions are important.
• 2:01:16
  I think they need to update some of the things they fight for. In
• 2:01:21
  the case of police, I think unions are important, but I also think
• 2:01:26
  that this whole blue line hold the It just needs to fucking end. If
• 2:01:30
  your people did something wrong, you get rid of them so they don't make
• 2:01:34
  you look bad. That's how that works. You own it, and you
• 2:01:39
  learn from it, and you do better. You know, you do better
• 2:01:45
  now. They also found he had a fake Insta account, and on this
• 2:01:49
  fake Insta he had posted pictures that he said were screenshots of their text exchanges
• 2:01:56
  and bank records that showed he was wiring her money. Guys, the funny
• 2:02:01
  thing was what he posted. The person's name that he was wiring money to
• 2:02:09
  was not Abigail. And guys, we know banking laws have changed a lot.
• 2:02:14
  You can't lie on your bank account if they wire Terry, like,
• 2:02:18
  I can't ask somebody to wire Terry true crime money to my bank account.
• 2:02:24
  It's going to show my real name. It was not her account, but
• 2:02:28
  he posted them saying that he was paying her for sex. But yet he
• 2:02:33
  also said it was his girlfriend. So was she your girlfriend or were you
• 2:02:39
  paying her? Dude? You know so? But also he was paying other
• 2:02:47
  women that he met at different clubs in the area for companionship. He didn't
• 2:02:54
  say sex, but he did like to sit there for hours and just talk
• 2:02:59
  to them, so he was lonely. I'm not saying the guy didn't have
• 2:03:03
  some PTSD. He was a war veteran. He saw action. But guys,
• 2:03:09
  guess what, that is not an excuse for being a horrible person.
• 2:03:12
  It's just not because you have the responsibility to go get help. My two
• 2:03:19
  cents. Come at me if you want. But she was worried about being
• 2:03:26
  followed. She even took a picture of a car and its license plate that
• 2:03:30
  was following her and sent it to a friend a couple weeks before that.
• 2:03:34
  Hey, just in case I don't make it home. Guys, that's how
• 2:03:39
  worried she was. In doing the research on this, it made me realize,
• 2:03:45
  I don't pay attention to who's following me. I don't look at the
• 2:03:50
  cars that are behind me, do you. I don't look to see if
• 2:03:57
  they follow me and make every turn. I am now, but I wouldn't
• 2:04:03
  have. I would have thought they were going the same place. The entirety
• 2:04:10
  of like like every now and again, I'll be able to like in my
• 2:04:15
  review, I'll see if somebody's making multiple turns that I'm making. But like,
• 2:04:21
  throughout this entire like theme and what you're saying, and you know what
• 2:04:26
  I've read, I realized just how privileged I am being a dude because I
• 2:04:36
  think about other people who have to think about this stuff. Oh and I
• 2:04:41
  might walk down interrupt. You do not feel privileged because I have known men
• 2:04:50
  who've been killed by crazy girlfriends, crazies that are obsessed because they saw you.
• 2:05:00
  It happens. I think your privileged that it happens less often. Yeah,
• 2:05:08
  I mean, like you know, when if I'm out walking down like
• 2:05:13
  let me just give you a random like Kerry Street, I'm not constantly looking
• 2:05:18
  over my shoulder to see if somebody's following me. I'm not concerned that that's
• 2:05:24
  gonna happen. Am I concerned that somebody might try and assault and or rob
• 2:05:29
  me? Maybe? But nothing else? So there's will I do get concern
• 2:05:38
  for safety, It's a very different I feel like it's a different kind of
• 2:05:41
  concern, Yeah, Because I mean, when I'm out walking, I'm paying
• 2:05:45
  attention. I only put one AirPod in and I keep it low so I
• 2:05:50
  can hear, but I can hear if somebody is behind me. I'm very
• 2:05:54
  observant about that. I'm just not when I drive. And that's what I
• 2:05:59
  realized. I am in public everywhere I go in my house, I wasn't
• 2:06:04
  in my car, and that surprised me. Again, I was like,
• 2:06:10
  you idiot, you know better. And then researching this case, I was
• 2:06:15
  like another reason to pay attention. And I've made a conscious decision to be
• 2:06:23
  more aware. And I even have a little post it to remind me when
• 2:06:26
  I'm in the car to notice the cars around me in case I forget because
• 2:06:30
  I have add But it surprised me. But like I said, she was
• 2:06:35
  worried, so she sent this to someone. Now the police were able to
• 2:06:43
  run that license plate. The vehicle was owned by stand and they looked at
• 2:06:50
  TV cameras or I get what do we call them, CCTV. They looked
• 2:06:55
  at breen cameras. He had driven by her house several days and several times
• 2:07:00
  leading up to her murder. Then they decided let's find out if he was
• 2:07:08
  in the area when she was shot, and he was no surprise. So
• 2:07:17
  with that information, the police called him up on the phone, which I
• 2:07:20
  found interesting. I'm like, he didn't just go to his house. They
• 2:07:24
  called him up and asked him to come in, and he said okay,
• 2:07:29
  But fifteen minutes before he was due to be there, he called and said,
• 2:07:32
  sorry, there's a death in the family. Can't come in. Got
• 2:07:35
  a lot going on, and police did their job. They got a search
• 2:07:41
  warrant and they went to his house. He refused to open the door,
• 2:07:45
  so they brought in swat and they took the door down. So I am
• 2:07:50
  giving them credit. They should have made it where she was more comfortable coming
• 2:07:58
  to them and telling them. They shouldn't have had to be reactive, but
• 2:08:03
  they got in. Now, he had suffered a couple of self inflicted wounds
• 2:08:07
  on his neck. Guys, I don't know what this guy was doing.
• 2:08:13
  He obviously I don't know. If he was just scratching, I wouldn't have
• 2:08:18
  called them self inflicted wounds. He was not trying to kill himself. They
• 2:08:22
  literally look like scratches. But he was taken to the hospital for treatment and
• 2:08:26
  he was charged with the murder of Abigail. Now, when they were looking
• 2:08:33
  into this, they found kind of what they think was the trigger because he
• 2:08:39
  was spending time with multiple women. But Abigail was the first one that was
• 2:08:43
  nice to him, and if those texts are really from her, she would
• 2:08:52
  spend time with him and give him the girlfriend experience without sex. And then
• 2:09:00
  he showed some that were for some for sex, and he thought they had
• 2:09:05
  a future and they were going to live happily ever after. Okay, my
• 2:09:09
  first thought is I knew this as a teenager. You know the girls in
• 2:09:15
  topless bars lie right, they all say they're in college, right, They
• 2:09:22
  are there as entertainers. Their job is to tell you what you want to
• 2:09:28
  hear so that you will spend your money, right, So I found that
• 2:09:33
  interesting. But that's what made him upset is he realized, Oh, she
• 2:09:41
  doesn't really like me, She's just using me for money. And they think
• 2:09:46
  that's what triggered him. Now. He posted to his socials a couple of
• 2:09:52
  hours before he killed her, blasting her, and then a couple of hours
• 2:10:00
  after he murdered her saying that he had paid her for sex, and apparently
• 2:10:05
  he had been blackmailing her and telling her he was going to turn her in
• 2:10:07
  for prostitution and say she was a prostitute and she would lose her son.
• 2:10:15
  So he was blackmailing her up until this time, and it seems like she
• 2:10:20
  wasn't buying into it, you know. So he is still awaiting trial,
• 2:10:26
  and Abigail's family and her mom, bless her heart, she was like,
• 2:10:31
  we're going to be in court every day. I don't care if I lose
• 2:10:35
  my job. I Am going to sit there and stare him down every day
• 2:10:39
  and let him know we are the people she truly cared about, and do
• 2:10:46
  it because she left behind a five year old son whose father is not in
• 2:10:52
  the picture. She worked full time doing brows and didn't make enough, and
• 2:11:00
  she worked two days a week dancing to help pay the bills. So this
• 2:11:09
  case makes me sad. But I really want people to stop and think.
• 2:11:16
  If we would pay people better, they wouldn't have to step out and pick
• 2:11:24
  up that second job. I don't care if that second job is at McDonald's,
• 2:11:28
  I don't care if it's sweeping the parking lot dancing. If you pay
• 2:11:35
  them a fair wage for the job they perform, they would not have to
• 2:11:41
  get a second job. You know, between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty
• 2:11:48
  three. I have this right off the top of my head, just because
• 2:11:50
  I was looking at it the other day. The cost of quote unquo quote
• 2:12:00
  living comfortably went up twenty two percent? Did anything else go up twenty two
• 2:12:09
  percent? Certainly not salary nop. So like, yeah, I'm not gonna
• 2:12:16
  get on a soapbox about that. But and I mean, when I left
• 2:12:22
  Loser number one, I had two boys. He made good money, but
• 2:12:28
  I wasn't getting child sport. I worked three jobs my kids. I had
• 2:12:35
  them at a twenty four hour daycare because I was working at night after school
• 2:12:41
  while they were in school. I was a recruiter by day and then working
• 2:12:46
  retail other jobs, and I had to put them in daycare. I saw
• 2:12:52
  them like two hours a day, but I had to do it to keep
• 2:12:54
  a roof over our head and it was a one bedroom apartment to do.
• 2:13:03
  And I should have made enough in my day job to not have to do
• 2:13:07
  that. And my ex husband should have paid his damn child support also agreed,
• 2:13:18
  because he was making something like thirty five dollars an hour back in the
• 2:13:22
  nineties. Damn good money is a polymar guy exactly, it's a polymer scientist,
• 2:13:30
  but made damn good money didn't pay. He did not start paying child
• 2:13:35
  support until my youngest son was seventeen and we got divorced from my youngest son
• 2:13:43
  was one. Yeah, so that's not gonna get on my soapbox, but
• 2:13:54
  that is so. That is why so many single moms turned to that.
• 2:14:00
  And I think if there was a movie with Demi Moore, I don't remember
• 2:14:05
  the name of it, but she was stripping and she would bring her daughter
• 2:14:09
  and her daughter would sit back in the dressing room strip tease. But you
• 2:14:18
  have to. And I think the sad thing is the men like Stan who
• 2:14:24
  can't get dates. They're awkward. Excuse me, they have mental issues.
• 2:14:30
  They go there and they don't realize they're paying for a service. That service
• 2:14:35
  is for me to dance for you and to talk to you. It is
• 2:14:41
  not to go home with you. It is not to do any of that.
• 2:14:46
  But if I can see them a single mom, I think if I
• 2:14:50
  would have gotten into that, if they'd have been like, hey, you
• 2:14:52
  can't pay your rent. If you go to dinner with me, I'll give
• 2:14:56
  you fifteen hundred dollars, And then they would say, oh, and if
• 2:15:00
  will do you know, give me a blowjob, I'll give you an extra
• 2:15:03
  one thousand guys That would have paid my rent for two months. And I
• 2:15:09
  have to say. I would like to say I would have been strong enough
• 2:15:11
  to say no. But if I was close to being evicted or had a
• 2:15:16
  child with health issues, I don't know if I would have said no,
• 2:15:22
  because I would have done what was best for my kid. Oh Polly,
• 2:15:33
  she said this. So in Texas, you still have to pay. I
• 2:15:37
  got child support. He had to pay me all of the arrearages plus tax,
• 2:15:43
  and he didn't realize that. So when he would go to file his
• 2:15:46
  tax returns and he was supposed to get six thousand dollars back, it all
• 2:15:50
  came to me once he started. He didn't file tax returns for years because
• 2:15:56
  of that reason, and he got remarried and he filed a tax return and
• 2:16:03
  I got something like twenty thousand in one hit. So he paid until the
• 2:16:11
  youngest was twenty six or twenty seven. So they do it so in Texas
• 2:16:16
  now I could have gone to court and send him to jail. He wasn't
• 2:16:20
  seeing the kids. And I finally moved up in my career as a recruiter
• 2:16:28
  and started making money and could only work one job and life became good,
• 2:16:31
  so I didn't need to. But that's my case, Like I said,
• 2:16:37
  it wasn't that dark. The thing that I'm sad about there was very little
• 2:16:45
  coverage of this case, very little coverage, and I think it's because she
• 2:16:52
  was a stripper, exotic dance or whatever you want to call it. Ris
• 2:16:56
  in Texas is one of the mid level to higher end establishments. They're not
• 2:17:05
  like baby dolls or something like that that's lower end. So I think that's
• 2:17:11
  why I got some coverage. I think if she worked in one of the
• 2:17:16
  seedier places, I don't think there would have been any coverage. No,
• 2:17:26
  it's lipstick. That is funny. So to this comment, when I started
• 2:17:37
  getting those payments and my kids were adults, I split it three ways between
• 2:17:43
  each one of my sons and myself. And my husband was like, why
• 2:17:48
  are you doing that. You paid all the bills, you paid for the
• 2:17:50
  breezes, you paid for this, and I said, because I don't need
• 2:17:54
  it, and they're struggling. Jeff was in college at the time. Austin
• 2:18:00
  was like, he's got a new baby. I shared it with them.
• 2:18:07
  You know. The we would think, with how prevalent these kind of situations
• 2:18:22
  are, that they would increase or improve policy on payments and all that kind
• 2:18:26
  of stuff. But then I think about this is that we live in a
• 2:18:31
  theocracy that's hidden behind a mask of democracy, and the reason why nobody's improving
• 2:18:37
  the policies is because they want you to stay married because divorce is bad,
• 2:18:43
  which then just creates a very dangerous environment for the woman. But they don't
• 2:18:50
  seem to be too cared. They don't seem to care too much about that
• 2:18:54
  about women anyways and their health. As we've seen, he made evidence in
• 2:19:00
  the past year. Oh don't so. I guess the mask is coming off.
• 2:19:07
  They're forcing women to have children in Texas And there's a case right now
• 2:19:16
  because I covered it on my TikTok. She did the right legal thing,
• 2:19:20
  went to the courts to ask for permission to sanction an abortion because the child
• 2:19:26
  is not going to live. If it survives not being stillborn, it's going
• 2:19:31
  to die within hours, and there's a chance that the mother could have to
• 2:19:37
  have a hysterectomy and not be able to have any other kids. And the
• 2:19:41
  court said no. She left the state to go somewhere else. Then our
• 2:19:46
  fabulous Ken Paxton and Greg Abbott reminded people that we now pay a bounty if
• 2:19:54
  you turn in your friend or someone you know that gets an abortion out of
• 2:20:01
  state, you can get ten thousand dollars. But yet, you know,
• 2:20:07
  we don't take care of single moms. We don't make sure they get their
• 2:20:09
  child support. Oh yeah, let's just you know before before Ken Paxton,
• 2:20:22
  I just you know it just and I've cried. I don't even know this
• 2:20:33
  woman, and I have cried because she wants to have a child and the
• 2:20:41
  child has trisotomy or something like that. And she literally tried to do the
• 2:20:48
  right thing because her doctor said, you realize if I do this, I
• 2:20:54
  could go to jail. I could be given a felony to save your life.
• 2:21:01
  And what they said is it wasn't life threatening just because you could lose
• 2:21:09
  your uterus to not have any more kids, it's not life threatening. But
• 2:21:16
  yet you're forcing her to have a child that, even if it's born alive,
• 2:21:22
  isn't going to last more than two hours. So you want this baby
• 2:21:24
  to suffer, and you want this woman to suffer. So it looks like
• 2:21:33
  there's not going to be a charge now. But up where my family lives,
• 2:21:41
  there was a woman who ended up having a still birth at home while
• 2:21:58
  they arrested for murder. I arrested her from they accused to plunge her home
• 2:22:05
  toilet after a miscarriage, and they charged her. It looks like charges aren't
• 2:22:11
  going through, but they they like took the toilet from her home for evidence.
• 2:22:26
  I texted my parents and I said, what's going on up there?
• 2:22:37
  Oh captain, you know I'm going to move on to a different topic.
• 2:22:41
  You're correct, You're correct. We are pro birth. We are not pro
• 2:22:48
  life. We don't believe in life. We believe in you got to have
• 2:22:52
  them babies. But that's where it stops because we don't have any other programs
• 2:22:58
  to support, and we sure think that as men, we have the ability
• 2:23:05
  to tell you what is good for you. So now I'm not saying I
• 2:23:11
  know a person loosely acquaintance who's had eight miscara or eight abortions. And when
• 2:23:18
  she told me that one night, having drinks, meybe and me, I
• 2:23:22
  said, you know, there is such a thing as birth control, right
• 2:23:26
  because abortion is not birth control. I don't believe it's birth control. But
• 2:23:31
  I think those cases are probably less than you know, the flips that the
• 2:23:41
  fact that we're forcing people to have children, they can't afford them, they
• 2:23:48
  can't raise them. We don't want to buy any you know, god awful
• 2:23:54
  thing. We don't want to help them because then we become a welfare state
• 2:24:01
  and that's social They will not pay to tie their tubes either. So if
• 2:24:07
  I was to go to them and say, I've got four kids, I'm
• 2:24:11
  fertile, myrtle, I can't take birth control because of this issue. Can
• 2:24:16
  I get my tubes ticked? Only if you pay cash out of your pocket.
• 2:24:22
  Ever since the beginning of at least the nineteen hundreds, we know that
• 2:24:28
  the the best protection, the best birth control is abstinence. That is the
• 2:24:39
  only way. But you're married. There is no other way. But when
• 2:24:41
  you're married, do you think your husband's going to let you get away with
• 2:24:45
  abstinence? Come on, now, they want you to be barefoot and pregnant
• 2:24:50
  and do what your husband says. So why do you need to have one?
• 2:24:54
  So obviously you were doing something wrong. It's just this is I have
• 2:25:05
  always hated the gender that I identify with. I have never hated it.
• 2:25:11
  And I'm not saying everybody. Obviously it's not a blanket statement. But let's
• 2:25:16
  be honest. The majority of people who are in power are old white men
• 2:25:20
  and I am so tired of out of touch people being in charge. I'm
• 2:25:30
  so tired of them sitting at a hearing having to hear about how the internet
• 2:25:35
  works before they even get to the point of the matter because they don't understand
• 2:25:39
  because they've been in office since before several rights. Like, I'm just tired
• 2:25:43
  of it. I'm over it. So and here's a sad thing that at
• 2:25:50
  the time, when I was sixteen, I didn't think anything about it.
• 2:25:54
  My tubes ruptured. When I was sixteen, I had not started my monthly
• 2:25:58
  cycle and passed out at my brother's wife's baby shower. Woke up at the
• 2:26:07
  hospital and they were like, your tube's ruptured. But before that, they
• 2:26:13
  told my family that I had a tuble pregnancy. Mind you, my little
• 2:26:18
  boyfriend's there. He's pissed because he's like, oh, wait a minute,
• 2:26:22
  who's she doing this with because we hadn't done it and it wasn't for like
• 2:26:26
  six hours, you know, get all that, and then it was a
• 2:26:30
  tuble pregnance. I mean it was ruptured tubes. So they said, you
• 2:26:33
  need to go on birth control pills. Oh God, for's sake, no
• 2:26:37
  that can happen. Insurance wouldn't they were like, we're not putting a sixteen
• 2:26:43
  year old on birth control. We're not doing that. You're gonna have to
• 2:26:46
  pay for it out of your pocket, or you're gonna have to take her
• 2:26:48
  to planned parenthood. And I will never forget. I looked at my mom
• 2:26:52
  and I'm like, I'm not even having sex. Why do I got to
• 2:26:56
  take the pills? She's like, because your body needs the hormones. You
• 2:26:58
  know, now we know that was the first early sign that I was gonna
• 2:27:03
  have cancer. You know, they didn't know that back then. I didn't
• 2:27:09
  want to take them, but they were like, oh, if we give
• 2:27:13
  her that, she's gonna feel like she can go and sleep with everybody.
• 2:27:20
  And I didn't realize back then that it was old white men, right Terry.
• 2:27:26
  Terry's post makes me angry. Wait, what you have to get a
• 2:27:33
  proof from your husband? What's the the other thing that really pisses me off?
• 2:27:45
  And I'm not trying to like give anybody's information away, but some people
• 2:27:50
  take birth control because you know, their monthly cycle is so intense and so
• 2:27:56
  horrible that it down whatever that means. But like, and it's more like
• 2:28:07
  healthcare than anything, right, It's like you're either terribly miserable and it's horrifying,
• 2:28:16
  or you're terrifyingly miserable but it's less horrifying, do you know what I
• 2:28:20
  mean? Like, so, it's like, these folks want this black and
• 2:28:24
  white bullshit and it's not. The world is not black and white. It
• 2:28:30
  might have been when you were sixteen, but it's just it never was.
• 2:28:37
  It never was. And in oh man, I'm not just gonna tell you
• 2:28:43
  anybody ever would have so with my youngest because I had had several miscarriages and
• 2:28:52
  we lost a daughter, they thought he was going to have a heart defect
• 2:29:00
  and they were like, it looks severe, so we're going to do a
• 2:29:03
  fetal echo cardiogram, and you need to do an amniosynthesis because he may not
• 2:29:09
  make it. And I have to tell you, if somebody would have told
• 2:29:15
  me I needed my husband's permission to make a decision on what I was gonna
• 2:29:22
  do, I would probably be in prison right now, because besides the fact
• 2:29:26
  the hormones were flowing, I would have lost my shit on the person who
• 2:29:33
  told me that, because he wasn't the fucking one carrying the kid. I
• 2:29:41
  was, and I wanted the child so bad I wanted four kids, and
• 2:29:50
  I would have killed the person if a doctor would have walked up and told
• 2:29:52
  me, oh, well, we need to get your husband's permission. I
• 2:29:56
  mean I had made the decision. I was going to have him no matter
• 2:30:00
  or what the test said, unless he was going to be in physical pain.
• 2:30:05
  But I'm telling you, as feisty as I was and as young as
• 2:30:09
  I was, I would have killed that doctor. I would have been an
• 2:30:15
  accessory because I would have handed you whatever implement you wanted at the time.
• 2:30:20
  Though, So that's my case. I mean in it when I say Texas
• 2:30:24
  is on crack. Texas is on crack, and we need some of these
• 2:30:30
  old white guys to die and some more people to get into office. But
• 2:30:35
  on the other hand, who wants to go be in politics when the world
• 2:30:39
  is such a screwed up place and be the minority to try to do the
• 2:30:43
  right thing? You know? Yeah, I think back. I mean that
• 2:30:46
  when I met double H I was in the middle of talking and working on
• 2:30:52
  setting up a pack to run for mayor, and I told the person that
• 2:31:01
  was going to be my campaign manager that he was going to move in with
• 2:31:05
  me. And when he looked at me and he goes he can't. He
• 2:31:09
  can't live with you unless y'all are married. And I looked a him and
• 2:31:13
  said, well, I'm never getting married again. I've been there, done
• 2:31:16
  that twice. I ain't doing that. And he was like, well,
• 2:31:18
  then you can't run for office, and I said peace out, and he
• 2:31:22
  moved in. And I think back now and almost wish I would have said
• 2:31:28
  screw you and ran anyway and let the public tell me I couldn't sleep with
• 2:31:33
  my hot boyfriend and have him live with me after being in two abusive marriages.
• 2:31:43
  But I'm glad I didn't because I would have went to prison so many
• 2:31:46
  times. We have a the the folks that aren't in power would like to
• 2:31:58
  tell you, like you to believe that the youth. And by the youth,
• 2:32:01
  I mean you know people who are between twenty five and forty. We
• 2:32:09
  have a leadership desert, so to speak. But that's bullshit. What we
• 2:32:18
  have is a bunch of people in debt who couldn't afford to run if they
• 2:32:24
  tried, because we've been sold a false bill of goods on credit in college,
• 2:32:30
  and we've been put in a hole that we could never dig out of.
• 2:32:35
  But also, hey, oh k Oh buddy, I'm part of that
• 2:32:41
  section. Don't worry. What stop? No, cut it out? What
• 2:32:48
  does that make mean? Now that you said that, what are you like?
• 2:32:52
  What does that make me? First off, do you know I'm now
• 2:32:56
  considered a senior citizen? I posted it on my Facebook the other day.
• 2:33:01
  I've been getting aided people born, people that are born earlier than seventy three
• 2:33:07
  are considered senior citizens. God, I'm fucking fifty three years old. How
• 2:33:15
  the hell am I a senior citizen? I want to say now, you
• 2:33:20
  know what, I don't want to say anything because if I say anything,
• 2:33:22
  it's gonna sound like I'm defending or that I'm like whatever, please do it,
• 2:33:26
  come on, bring it, baby, I don't have it. I
• 2:33:28
  mean. The reality is that people who are in power are within a certain
• 2:33:31
  age range. People who are not in power are kind of in my generation
• 2:33:35
  of people who actually, you can't you can't afford there to go be an
• 2:33:43
  office. Now, there's no affordability at all. It's too expensive. The
• 2:33:52
  but but what we are and honestly, having decided this and named it people
• 2:33:58
  that may have named it before, but being the skipped generation, it's fine.
• 2:34:05
  It's cool because these people will not leave office. They will not quit,
• 2:34:09
  they will not stop. There are no term limits. They're not going
• 2:34:11
  to go what I'm hoping they die, and then the generation right behind us,
• 2:34:20
  who happen to be a little more sensible, a little more accepting,
• 2:34:22
  a little more open generally, will then take the spot because all of us
• 2:34:28
  are freaking jaded towards the fact that that there's any chance of change. These
• 2:34:33
  people are too busy arguing over stupid fucking impeachments that don't even matter without the
• 2:34:37
  risk of getting beyond political. But what bothers me, But I gotta stop
• 2:34:43
  you there, because of what bothers me is when those younger people want to
• 2:34:46
  go in, they're not going to get the financial backing they need to get
• 2:34:50
  elected unless they lie and drink the kool aid. Yep, yep. Because
• 2:34:56
  sure it's a cult. I have decided, and I sometimes am sad to
• 2:35:07
  admit this. I was a card carrying Republican until the damn Republican Tea Party
• 2:35:13
  shit happened and they started drinking this batshit crazy Jews. Now, just because
• 2:35:18
  I was a Republican didn't mean always voted Republican, but I mostly identified and
• 2:35:24
  agreed on their list of ten things, I agreed with six, only four
• 2:35:28
  over here, so I felt that's where I belonged. Now, both sides
• 2:35:33
  are screwed up. All they want to do is fight with each other,
• 2:35:39
  and it's just old white people. I'm trying to look, I'm trying to
• 2:35:48
  something. I wish I could talk my older son into running for politics,
• 2:35:58
  because he is a mini version of me, but with more intelligence. He's
• 2:36:07
  that younger generation, so he experienced things much different than me, so he
• 2:36:13
  has a different viewpoint, but he truly knows the difference between right and wrong
• 2:36:22
  and he believes so. My motto in my day job is it's all about
• 2:36:26
  the people. This world only works because of people, and you need to
• 2:36:33
  be kind to each other. He would be phenomenal because he wouldn't take shit.
• 2:36:39
  He would let you know exactly what he's thinking, and he wouldn't sugarcoat
• 2:36:45
  it. He would be like, guys, this is all I can do.
• 2:36:48
  I'm not gonna lie to you and tell you I'm gonna vote that way
• 2:36:50
  because I can't. And I think we need that. I think we need
• 2:36:54
  them to be transparent and say I really want to do it your way,
• 2:36:56
  but if I do it. They're not going to give me money to get
• 2:36:58
  real left it kind of thing. So if anybody wants to vote for JEFFA,
• 2:37:07
  and he shared what his stage name was or his name when he was
• 2:37:11
  young, he can't use that to run for president. But I do think
• 2:37:15
  JEFFA would be a very good politician, but his dynamic penis would have to
• 2:37:20
  stay at home. Okay, So here I want to talk about this.
• 2:37:33
  I'm not saying that baby boomers need to go. Here's what I'm saying.
• 2:37:37
  And I think the blanket statement was confusing. And then I'll be done talking
• 2:37:41
  about this. We can move on to my shorter case. You all are
• 2:37:43
  awesome for sticking around with us and going through this. But what I'm saying
• 2:37:48
  is that, and I know that baby boomers are between fifty and mid seventies
• 2:37:56
  the average age, I'm not a baby boomer. Hold on, I'm giving
• 2:38:05
  it a goog. No, you're right, baby boomers were born between forty
• 2:38:09
  six and sixty four. Right, thank you. I'm like going, wait
• 2:38:11
  a minute, because my double Ah is a baby boomer us A right at
• 2:38:16
  seventy five, fifty seventy five. That's what I'm meant to say so.
• 2:38:22
  My issue is this is that the average age of a senator or representative is
• 2:38:31
  in the high fifties, which and there's nothing wrong with that obviously. What
• 2:38:35
  that means is is that while there are some younger than the high fifties,
• 2:38:39
  they're also a lot older some being sure that the average is high fifties.
• 2:38:41
  So, for instance, Chuck Grassley is eighty nine, he's in he's a
• 2:38:50
  senator, and he was born in nineteen thirty four, which is when Bonnie
• 2:38:54
  and Clyde were shot. This is what I'm saying, Like there the top
• 2:39:03
  ages right now are eighty nine, eighty six, eighty six, eighty six,
• 2:39:05
  eighty five, eighty five, eighty four. Why why is that the
• 2:39:11
  case should be time limits? It's not necessarily that it's the term limits,
• 2:39:18
  correct, It's it's term limits. It's the fact that once they are re
• 2:39:22
  elected or elected, they are looking towards the next election. How can I
• 2:39:26
  raise that money? How can I get those votes? No, not even
• 2:39:30
  how can I get those votes? How can I get that money? It
• 2:39:35
  really doesn't have to do with age, But what it does have to do
• 2:39:37
  with is how long they're in it just and that's the problem. You shouldn't
• 2:39:43
  have anyone my opinion, anyone that impacts a nation or a state should not
• 2:39:56
  be in office more than a certain amount of time because then it becomes a
• 2:40:03
  cult like environment and it becomes all about control. So they need to come
• 2:40:11
  in, make effective change, spend their four to eight years, and then
• 2:40:16
  get the hell out of dodge it. Go write a book, because you
• 2:40:22
  shouldn't. You have too much control. You shouldn't have. It's a monopoly.
• 2:40:30
  We don't let too big of companies merge together. Like, no way
• 2:40:33
  could American Airlines and United ever merge because they would have too big of a
• 2:40:37
  monopoly. Right. If you have these people who are in it year after
• 2:40:45
  year, twenty thirty years, that's a monopoly because they control it. In
• 2:40:50
  these young little whipper snappers don't have a fighting chance in hell. No,
• 2:40:56
  Like I'll put it this way, Yes, I focused everything on when Chuck
• 2:41:03
  was born. Jack Grassley came into office in nineteen eighty one. Nineteen eighty
• 2:41:09
  one was when Donkey Kong was released. It's when The Fox and the Hound
• 2:41:13
  was released. It's when MTV launched on cable. It's when AIDS was first
• 2:41:20
  supportive as an in pneumonia it's just like like they're there's nothing wrong with longstanding.
• 2:41:31
  It's no, there is not wrong with the times, but it is
• 2:41:37
  because you get set in your ways and you go with that. If it's
• 2:41:43
  not broken, don't fix it. And you think it's not broken because you
• 2:41:48
  can't look at other opinions or other things because you get set in your ways.
• 2:41:54
  It's just like an old married couple. Why are you so married to
• 2:41:58
  him? I don't know. Damn well, why are you that way?
• 2:42:01
  It's just the way I've always been. You just get used to routine.
• 2:42:07
  Well and and yeah yeah, and I mean I said, I don't focus
• 2:42:13
  on age, but like even well, there should bless her heart. But
• 2:42:18
  like the only reason she left was because she died. I know, but
• 2:42:24
  there should be. So my ex father in law, Loser number one's dad,
• 2:42:30
  his dad was a nice guy. He used to get so mad at
• 2:42:33
  me because I was a young twenty one year old girl. And I'm like,
• 2:42:37
  yeah, you turn sixty five, you should have to go and take
• 2:42:41
  your driving test every year, because I thought sixty five you should have your
• 2:42:45
  driver's license taken away. Now that I'm fifty three, I'm thinking, oh
• 2:42:54
  wow, But I do still think even though I'm older, you know what,
• 2:42:58
  it's sixty five, I probably should have to take a driving test at
• 2:43:03
  least every three years because you start declining mentally can't read as well. So
• 2:43:11
  if you need to do that, why should you be in office? Why
• 2:43:16
  should you be sitting on the court. I mean, you shouldn't know.
• 2:43:22
  The people who have to vote for that are the ones that are in power,
• 2:43:24
  and they don't want to get out of power. So there's until like
• 2:43:28
  a majority of people who have common sense get in office, there's the probably
• 2:43:33
  yeah. Because now and I won't get on this soapbox, but I'm still
• 2:43:41
  pissed that Florida and Texas are taking Charlotte's Web out of schools because it's not
• 2:43:48
  an appropriate book. Oh don't worry. I had to be at that in
• 2:43:54
  school. But what is wrong with Charlotte and Wilburt in Templeton? They are
• 2:44:03
  in God's creation? Is wrong with them? And why do we need to
• 2:44:07
  take that book out of school? And because we are doing those things,
• 2:44:13
  our next generations is going to be scary because we are trying to protect them
• 2:44:20
  and not let them read this. See this. I mean, I'm not
• 2:44:26
  saying there's some books that probably shouldn't be in elementary or middle schools kids,
• 2:44:31
  you know, shouldn't be. But Charlotte's Web? What the hell is wrong
• 2:44:35
  with Charlotte's Web? And where the red fern grows? Florida and Texas are
• 2:44:43
  trying to school children to think the way they think. Well, I mean,
• 2:44:54
  Hanover County, Okay, away, my county may happen. But the
• 2:45:00
  Templeton just wants to eat and be fed. He's a rat and that's what
• 2:45:05
  rats do. Rats in New York still pizza. Rats in New York just
• 2:45:11
  want food. Doesn't necessarily make him bad, I mean, good God.
• 2:45:18
  He was voiced by Paul Lynde in the cartoon, Like is that why?
• 2:45:22
  Because Paul is gay but just didn't come out because he was scared to like
• 2:45:26
  maha, Like, is that why we're getting I see that politicians want to
• 2:45:33
  groom our children to think the way they want them to think, is my
• 2:45:41
  opinion. And I don't know if it's a shelf of band books in my
• 2:45:46
  kids room. And I don't know if anybody saw this headline. I haven't
• 2:45:50
  covered it yet on when doing my makeup because I just get too mad the
• 2:45:56
  politician he and his wife, but I think she was the primary person who
• 2:46:01
  helped run about that don't say gay and about not teaching alternative sex and sexual
• 2:46:11
  identity in school. He just got charges filed against him for sexual assault.
• 2:46:16
  And she admits they were in a three way with this female that they're saying
• 2:46:22
  don't say gay hashtag not a drag queen. But I'm like, you're literally
• 2:46:31
  in the three way with another female and you just pushed an agenda and got
• 2:46:37
  it approved that you can't but terry, there was a dick there. I
• 2:46:46
  don't care. It's still you're saying that marriage is between a husband and a
• 2:46:52
  wife. And if you're saying that's what's the case, that means your marital
• 2:46:56
  bedroom has to only consist of a man and a wife. You can't have
• 2:47:01
  it both ways. You can't be tolerant and eat the ice cream. And
• 2:47:11
  if I'm wrong, somebody educate me. I'm not the smartest person. I
• 2:47:18
  like to hear all of the different sides I was in debate. I love
• 2:47:24
  to debate. Help teach me when I'm wrong. I'm okay with being wrong,
• 2:47:28
  but you do not push an agenda saying that you keep it to this
• 2:47:35
  And yet in your downtime, in your bedroom. You're doing the opposite that
• 2:47:39
  makes you not a good person. People come to this country because you should
• 2:47:46
  be able to have your cake and eat it too, like you should,
• 2:47:50
  and nobody should judge you for that, like like I stay out of mind.
• 2:47:56
  Right if somebody walks in on you and you have a plate with a
• 2:48:00
  full cake and your mouth is full, like they just need to be like
• 2:48:03
  awesome for you and walk away like nobody. No, that is the wrong
• 2:48:09
  response. The response should be do you need a glass of milk? Okay?
• 2:48:15
  Well listen, okay, Well in my analogy, if I was in
• 2:48:20
  a in a room with a full cake and I had a mouthful and somebody
• 2:48:26
  said you need to but you do because you might choke eating all of them,
• 2:48:33
  you might choke on it. Okay, all right, okay, this
• 2:48:39
  is so not sockrish. We so went political. We have lost every listener
• 2:48:45
  and viewer whatever. They're gone now, but they're still here. I saw
• 2:48:52
  the one. I saw the thumb up and one. I was like,
• 2:48:56
  yeah, we lost everybody. We got one words. No listen, I
• 2:49:01
  will, I will, I will talk about my viewpoints and I will try
• 2:49:05
  and make reasonable arguments about it reasonable for the most part. Rhetorically, I
• 2:49:11
  will not push my stuff like I'm not going to push it on you.
• 2:49:13
  I'm not saying if you don't believe it, I don't like you. But
• 2:49:18
  I will have a conversation about it. So, okay, we can't have
• 2:49:24
  honest communication because everybody wants to judge. So those of you that do not
• 2:49:33
  agree with this next statement, I will tell you none of my friends do,
• 2:49:37
  none of my family does, and have only met one other person who
• 2:49:41
  agreed with me. Do you know why George W was a good president?
• 2:49:50
  Old guy for an old guy, He's still looked damn good in them wranglers
• 2:49:54
  and cowboy hat. He could still rock the stetson and the wranglers. I'm
• 2:50:01
  gonna I'm gonna steal this. I'm gonna steal this quote from another podcast that
• 2:50:05
  I listened to, and I would I would say the same thing to George
• 2:50:09
  Bush and Adolf Hitler. You should have stuck with painting. Just stick with
• 2:50:16
  painting, Just stick with just stick with painting. Okay, book I have
• 2:50:22
  his book of paintings. Like I said, I didn't say he was a
• 2:50:24
  good president. I didn't say it was a good person. I just said,
• 2:50:28
  for an old guy, he could rock spare wranglers in a stetson.
• 2:50:31
  That's all I'm saying. Here's what I want. I want George Bush on
• 2:50:35
  one side of the room, Paul Stanley from Kiss on the other, and
• 2:50:39
  they're both painting, and I just want to hear that conversation. That's what
• 2:50:43
  I want. That's what I want. Now. It's funny you say that
• 2:50:48
  I do have George W's Bush or Bush. I don't have his Bush.
• 2:50:54
  I have his book. I have his book. It's on my coffee table
• 2:50:58
  and it it's about the one immigrant to the next or something. It's where
• 2:51:05
  he did the paintings of different people who migrated to the US who became successful
• 2:51:13
  and made direct impact to community. And I forgot who gave it to me,
• 2:51:20
  and the note on it was sorry, but there's not a picture of
• 2:51:22
  him in his genes. That's how shallow I am. Uh. You know
• 2:51:33
  it all started with Reagan. But that doesn't not the point Bush. I
• 2:51:37
  swear God, I'm gonna get to my case. But Bush was one of
• 2:51:41
  those guys where I just don't think this is gonna sound really bad, but
• 2:51:46
  I'm gonna say anyways, I just don't think he was smart enough to make
• 2:51:50
  his own decisions. And I think he just listened to whatever whoever was in
• 2:51:54
  his ear, like Dick Cheney and his dad. Yeah, well yeah,
• 2:52:00
  yeah, I mean, I mean I think you just did. He was
• 2:52:03
  like, he was like, uh, what did I talk about? A
• 2:52:05
  rock rock star? The rock star from Pearl Jam. He was like that
• 2:52:07
  guy. He did this to make his dad proud. He did. Now,
• 2:52:13
  the laws he made in Texas about drugs, I mean, it was
• 2:52:18
  back in the dare days, and I'll admit I voted for him. I
• 2:52:22
  was young, naive, but now I look back because I was raised that
• 2:52:31
  if you smoked pot you should be in prison. Now that I'm aren't educated
• 2:52:37
  and I'm much older, I'm like, what the hell was I being fed
• 2:52:41
  and raised on? I was all like, yeah, we had people go
• 2:52:46
  to prison longer in Texas for having a joint then for killing your own damn
• 2:52:52
  kids. Who's Carl Rove? M Who's Prose, the former White House Deputy
• 2:53:05
  chief of Staff for George Bush. Uh So he's usually usually the voice in
• 2:53:13
  the ear. Okay, No, that's Rover Okay. I was like,
• 2:53:24
  oh, but I need to see the picture that's Rover. But yeah,
• 2:53:28
  so is gonna take all of this out? You know what, I may
• 2:53:35
  just have to jump on and release the live with no editing and release it
• 2:53:43
  special. Why not use he will slice this up and he will bleep out
• 2:53:54
  every Yeah, let's just not We're not even gonna tell him that we're gonna
• 2:53:58
  do it, and we'll just release it. Uh. Oh, I'm a
• 2:54:05
  hard work girl, but I like me some George. Okay, George straight.
• 2:54:09
  I was like, oh, is there somebody else that thinks George W
• 2:54:11
  looks good in Wranglers? But no, she's talking about the king. She's
• 2:54:18
  talking about the king. So well, just to get your morning, we'll
• 2:54:24
  get to your case when we go to do I don't know if it's celebrity
• 2:54:28
  crimes or political crimes. I forget, but I do. I'm covering Laura
• 2:54:33
  Bush because I've already written the script and we're gonna do some Bush. But
• 2:54:43
  hmmm, so we will have a Brazilian Okay, So my my, my
• 2:54:52
  script. I called this, I called this unveiling. Don't tie. It
• 2:55:00
  works if you don't touch it. It's not your wife, it doesn't want
• 2:55:05
  to be touched. Its work. Okay. So it's called unveiling the dark
• 2:55:11
  realities of celebrity obsession. So Teresa Saldana just was was an American actress she
• 2:55:20
  related to No, I don't think so my case. Okay, No,
• 2:55:26
  so she faced the stalking incident in eighty two that would serve as a pivotal
• 2:55:31
  moment. You can't see it in the chat, but in the discord.
• 2:55:39
  I've been told that the next stream should be titled more Bush. Okay,
• 2:55:43
  okay, I question, why have I still not been invited to this discord?
• 2:55:50
  I have been asking for months. I told you I did because I
• 2:55:54
  talked to the Pokemon people on discord. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
• 2:56:00
  So so you're familiar, I will make sure that you have to invite
• 2:56:03
  this for really our last edition of True Crime and Wine time, because Terry
• 2:56:11
  doesn't need to get a memo twice to be told she's just he's just not
• 2:56:15
  that into me anymore. As not it. Okay, So it's been fired
• 2:56:22
  this. Oh I'm already getting messages that are like in Terry Now. My
• 2:56:28
  lights just went out in my office. No, oh, Alexa, it
• 2:56:33
  was turn on pink. It was the Bush's fault. No, double a
• 2:56:41
  just set them to automatically go off at ten thirty, said time forbid.
• 2:56:48
  Okay, So this incident happened in eighty two. It was a huge moment
• 2:56:54
  and it shed light on the perils of like perils of what celebrities go through,
• 2:57:01
  but also women in general. So Arthur Richard Jackson, the perpetrator,
• 2:57:09
  fixated Unsel Donna after watching her in the film Defiance also I think Reaching Bull.
• 2:57:15
  His fascination escalated into a dangerous obsession. He meticulously gathered information about her
• 2:57:20
  personal life, which created an unsettling backdrop for the tragic events that followed in
• 2:57:26
  the midst of Granite City. So he was he was born in Granite City,
• 2:57:30
  which is Aberdeen, Scotland. He had an ordinary night out at a
• 2:57:35
  Scottish cinema, but that turned into an unsettling journey of basically what seemed like
• 2:57:43
  a harmless cinophile who turned into Hollywood's first stalker at least first you know,
• 2:57:50
  a public So he yeah, so this is this was it. He was
• 2:58:00
  in the cinema during the screening of Raging Bull and his his He wasn't captivated
• 2:58:05
  by Robert t. Niro, uh, he was captivated by the supporting actress
• 2:58:09
  Teresa Saldana, and by the film's end, he had By the film's end,
• 2:58:16
  he had an intention to kill her, and it was fueled by the
• 2:58:18
  thought that their souls would unite in an afterlife. So Jackson was born in
• 2:58:26
  thirty five. He had a tumultuous childhood. It was marked by his father's
• 2:58:31
  abandonment and his mother's battle with mental illness. He hinted at an underlying the
• 2:58:35
  underlying issue. While these these underlying issues would later manifest in this behavior,
• 2:58:41
  he was diagnosed with neu rass. There's a lot of a lot of odd
• 2:58:46
  sounds in this neur rasen, neu rasp. Oh my gosh, I can't
• 2:58:54
  even he was this thing is to fine an ICD ten as characterized by a
• 2:59:01
  persistent and distressing complaint of increased fatigue after mental effort, or persistent and distressing
• 2:59:07
  complaints of bodily weakness and exhaustion after minimal effort. That I literally can't say
• 2:59:16
  it. I can't say I like that. It was a lot to get
• 2:59:18
  there. I am a pint of beer in So, because of this constant
• 2:59:31
  exhaustion, he basically filled his life with the cinema and theater and things like
• 2:59:39
  that, and so he had this because of this high dependency. Well,
• 2:59:43
  we'll talk about these kind of situations in a second. First, I want
• 2:59:46
  to talk briefly about Teresa. Teresa Saldana was an American actress. She was
• 2:59:52
  known for her work in film and television. Like I said, she was
• 2:59:54
  born August twentieth, nineteen fifty four in Brooklyn. She came from a modest
• 2:59:58
  background. She had an early life that was marked by a love of the
• 3:00:03
  performing arts. Her interest in acting was evident during her teenage years, so
• 3:00:09
  she pursued formal training and education. She studied at the High School of Performing
• 3:00:13
  Arts in New York and her excuse me, her breakthrough came with her role
• 3:00:20
  as the wife of Joe Peshi. This is quite the breakthrough. She was
• 3:00:24
  the wife of Joe Peschi's character in Martin Scorsese's Raging Bull. That's a hell
• 3:00:28
  of a breakthrough, is right, and not only showcased her acting, but
• 3:00:35
  it also opened doors for further opportunities. And her on screen presence garnered that
• 3:00:41
  attention. And then she had roles in The Evil that Men Do and I
• 3:00:46
  Want to hold your hand, things like that. She also found success in
• 3:00:52
  the small screen. One of her most significant roles was the television series The
• 3:00:56
  Commission, where she portrayed Rachel Scally, the wife of the main character.
• 3:01:03
  So in terms of the psychology behind the obsession with celebrities, because that's really
• 3:01:15
  what's interesting, and not only that, but this kind of applies to the
• 3:01:16
  whole Ian Watkins things too a little bit. But it's complex, it's multifaceted.
• 3:01:22
  So I just kind of want to talk about some key aspects of this.
• 3:01:26
  In the first one's parasocial interaction, and that is basically one sided,
• 3:01:33
  one directional relationships that individuals form with media per personalities, including celebrities and humans
• 3:01:39
  are I mean, we know this, this is why we do what we
• 3:01:43
  do. But we're social beings. Our brains are wired to form social connections,
• 3:01:48
  even in the absence of communication going back and forth or reciprocal communication.
• 3:01:54
  We feel a deep connection to celebrities, or we might because of the perceived
• 3:02:00
  intimacy and accessibility because of the media. They don't know anything about you,
• 3:02:05
  but because you know everything about them, there's this sense of intimacy. There's
• 3:02:11
  also this concept of escapism and idealization. So celebrity culture offers an escape from
• 3:02:18
  the challenges of everyday life, and people become obsessed with celebrities as a way
• 3:02:22
  to detach from their own reality, immerse themselves in the glamorous and idealized,
• 3:02:30
  and celebrities are often portrayed as possessing qualities or lifestyles that people deem desirable.
• 3:02:35
  Right now, those qualities or lifestyles are kind of broadening far too slowly,
• 3:02:43
  you know, far too slow. I wish they were broader, but here
• 3:02:46
  we are. And then you have social comparison theory, which is where individuals
• 3:02:54
  naturally engage in social comparison, assessing themselves against others. Celebrities, being highly
• 3:03:03
  visible, excuse me, become benchmarks for comparison, and people incorporate aspects of
• 3:03:09
  a celebrity's identity into their own, until you know, the perceived traits or
• 3:03:15
  lifestyles shape their own core identity, which is really really sad. And then
• 3:03:22
  of course you've got things like celebrity worship syndrome, which is an irrational admiration
• 3:03:28
  for celebrity. And of course we heard about that in your your first case.
• 3:03:35
  We learned about that, yes, And and of course you know there's
• 3:03:39
  the usual social media accessibility obviously, it is much easier to get in contact.
• 3:03:46
  Like I posted some thing once and mankind or Mike Foley responded the wrestler,
• 3:03:52
  I posted something once and I can't remember her name. She's a tattoo
• 3:03:54
  artist. She was married in Nikki six for a while. But she responded
• 3:04:00
  like, these are things that even the smallest connection and then blossom into an
• 3:04:05
  obsession because oh, I was important enough for them to respond to me.
• 3:04:09
  I now need to go and learn more. Right. The other situation with
• 3:04:16
  all of this is biological and evolutionary. So mirror neurons play a role in
• 3:04:22
  empathy. So when individuals observe celebrities experiencing emotions, their mirror neurons might activate,
• 3:04:28
  which creates a sense of shared experience, which then adds on too a
• 3:04:33
  sense of bonding, which then is an irrational connection to this person no matter
• 3:04:37
  what you try. So the culmination of Jackson's fixation occurred on March fifteenth,
• 3:04:46
  eighty two, when he ambushed Teresa outside of her West Hollywood residence. He
• 3:04:50
  was armed with a five inch hunting knife. He launched a vicious attack.
• 3:04:54
  He stabbed her multiple times. The shocking assault unfolded in broad daylight and it
• 3:05:00
  was witnessed, and there was a swift response actually from a delivery man who
• 3:05:07
  was named Jeffrey Fenn, and also a passing pedestrian, Beatrice Belvici. But
• 3:05:13
  they prevented the incident from becoming fatal. Uh, They intervened, They subdued
• 3:05:18
  Jackson, and they held him until law enforcement showed up. So good on
• 3:05:22
  both of them. Yeah, her survival and this goes without saying, but
• 3:05:33
  it hinged on prompt medical intervention. She was transported directly to the hospital.
• 3:05:39
  She went under, underwent emergency surgery. The nature of the attack, which
• 3:05:46
  was brazen in the subsequent emergency response, that's it highlights kind of the vulnerability
• 3:05:52
  of anybody really, and there needs to be comprehensive measures taken to practic protect
• 3:06:00
  people. So obviously, because he was held down, Arthur Richard Jackson was
• 3:06:05
  apprehended at the scene and he faced charges of attempted murder. The subsequent legal
• 3:06:11
  proceedings uncovered his history of mental illness and previous institutionalization. The trial delved into
• 3:06:18
  the depths of his fixation, revealing a disturbing nature, the disturbing nature of
• 3:06:22
  celebrity stalking. At his trial, his bizarre divine quote mission and disturbing declaration
• 3:06:30
  shocked the courtroom. Convicted of attempted murder and assault, his infamy as the
• 3:06:35
  original stalker was pretty much cemented. Despite a reduced sentence on appeal, he
• 3:06:41
  served additional time also after expressing ongoing threats to sal Donna from his prison cell.
• 3:06:46
  So good on him, he sure learned his lessons. Oh he he.
• 3:06:54
  He ultimately to charges of attempted murder. You know, he received twelve
• 3:06:58
  years, while Salnana was spared. The emotional toll the guilty plea underscore the
• 3:07:05
  severity of the crime, like there's no way he's going to get away with
• 3:07:09
  this. Now, there was some good stuff that came out of it.
• 3:07:16
  The stalking case basically catapulted the issue of stalking into the public consciousness. It
• 3:07:22
  prompted widespread discussion about the dangers that people public figures to face and the imparative
• 3:07:30
  the importance of heightened security. Now following the incident, which is obviously deemed
• 3:07:37
  highly dramatic, Theresa actually emerged as a resilient advocate for victims' rights, and
• 3:07:41
  she channeled her experience into creating the organization Victims for Victims, dedicated to supporting
• 3:07:48
  those affected by stalking and violent crimes. Teresa's advocacy played a crucial role in
• 3:07:54
  raising awareness and influencing legal efforts. Are sorry influencing legal forms to better protect
• 3:08:01
  individuals from stalking. She continued her acting career. She contributed to various film
• 3:08:07
  and television projects, and her legacy extends beyond just those achievements as well,
• 3:08:11
  because she's been seen generally as a symbol of strength and resilience and a voice
• 3:08:16
  for those who might be voiceless who have experienced trauma. There was a palpable
• 3:08:24
  shift after this case in public policy. The incident basically started up the development
• 3:08:31
  of anti stalking laws, providing legal framework to combat such behavior, and it
• 3:08:41
  was recognized as a serious crime. Now, terres Seldona stalking case stands as
• 3:08:46
  a watershed moment, spotlighting the dark underbelly of celebrity life and potentially life threatening
• 3:08:52
  consequences of unchecked obsessions. The incident spurred not only increased public awareness, but
• 3:08:58
  also tangible legal reform, and her ordeals served as a catalyst for change now
• 3:09:05
  In the epilogue of Sorts, Teresa passed away June six, twenty sixteen,
• 3:09:11
  at the age of sixty one. She left behind the legacy of artistic contributions
• 3:09:15
  and profound impact on the advocacy for victims of stalking and violent crimes. Her
• 3:09:20
  life story serves as truly an inspiring narrative for overcoming adversity, especially unplanned adversity.
• 3:09:31
  I don't know any planned adversity, to be honest with you, but
• 3:09:33
  here we are Arthur Jackson's. Arthur Jackson's tale took another dark turn when a
• 3:09:41
  letter to Metropolitan Police in London unraveled a twenty nine year old unstolved murder,
• 3:09:46
  admitting to gunning down a cab driver In sixty seven. Jackson faced extradition,
• 3:09:50
  admitting manslaughter on grounds of diminished responsibility. In ninety seven, he was transferred
• 3:09:56
  to the State Hospital at Carstairs. He died in two thousand and four,
• 3:10:01
  marking the end of his troubled life. Yeah, and so like he is
• 3:10:09
  the first infamous stalker. And of course it just went from there, right
• 3:10:16
  mm hmm. Now, yeah, do you think our laws are strict enough
• 3:10:24
  for stalkers? No? Okay said yes, we were going to get into
• 3:10:28
  a huge debate. No, the answer is no, and for for multiple
• 3:10:33
  reasons. I've had plenty of people that I know that that I've had to
• 3:10:37
  contemplate getting a restraining order things like that, right, or protective order.
• 3:10:43
  But the reality is this is that they're not confident that that's gonna work.
• 3:10:50
  And if they do it and the person finds out, which they will,
• 3:10:52
  that's more dangerous to them. And if nobody's gonna respond or take them seriously,
• 3:10:56
  then there's no point in them doing it. Protective order is a piece
• 3:11:00
  of paper. It's not gonna help. Now. I don't know if anybody
• 3:11:05
  listens to the Whining Crime Girls, but Amanda recently got married and they have
• 3:11:13
  a famous podcast. Luckily they were smart enough to have security because a crazy
• 3:11:20
  fan tried to break into their wedding. And I have to be honest,
• 3:11:24
  when I was hearing that, I was like, oh my god, that's
• 3:11:28
  a podcaster. That would happen. I mean, we're no famous. We
• 3:11:33
  will never I mean maybe hopefully one day we'll get there, but I don't
• 3:11:37
  see it happening for a while. But Ann, I would never be getting
• 3:11:41
  married again. But I you know, it's just crazy that people think that's
• 3:11:48
  okay. And that's the part that just bamboozles me. I know, we'd
• 3:11:54
  never, and I'm one of those people. We run into celebrities in Austin
• 3:12:00
  quite frequently, and we especially did when we lived in Vegas and I was
• 3:12:03
  part of then about a development authority. But I had a strict rule.
• 3:12:07
  You do not go up and talk to them if they're on their personal time.
• 3:12:11
  If it's a meet and greet, you've paid to meet them, it's
• 3:12:13
  a book signing, they're out meeting the public. You can talk to them.
• 3:12:18
  Other than that, you leave them the hell alone and let them be
• 3:12:22
  a person, because they are a person. So I don't think a laws
• 3:12:28
  are enough, especially for celebrities. And in college, I think I was
• 3:12:37
  a junior, possibly a senior, but I didd somebody who whose ex boyfriend
• 3:12:43
  was super jealous of what I don't know, had you now, but she
• 3:12:50
  had you well sure this was missus Bruce, And yeah this was not missus
• 3:12:58
  Bruce. But but you know, it got to it reached a height real
• 3:13:07
  fast, which was he busted through the door after pretending to want to return
• 3:13:13
  something to her and busted through her room and just started throwing fists at me,
• 3:13:18
  which I'm I'm a fighter, right, No, it was through fish.
• 3:13:30
  She ended up hopping on his back to stop him, right, which
• 3:13:35
  I mean, that's fine. You know what was I going to do?
• 3:13:37
  I don't really know him that way? Well, but you didn't know she
• 3:13:43
  did. So I was sitting there and like some clothes. So it's why
• 3:13:50
  it's a reality like that's why was there just some clothes? I don't because
• 3:13:56
  why weren't you fully closed? Why would I be fully clothed? It was
• 3:14:01
  like two in the morning. So but I have to also say when we're
• 3:14:09
  young. I'm just gonna leave that one alone. I have to say when
• 3:14:13
  we're young, and I wasn't that young. When second husband and I got
• 3:14:20
  divorced, it was my house and stupid me, we get divorced. I
• 3:14:26
  didn't think it would bother me, right, so I didn't change the locks.
• 3:14:31
  Oh so, yere goes by dayton. HH, he's over and we're
• 3:14:35
  sitting on the couch. We were fully clothed, mind you, watching TV.
• 3:14:43
  In comes walking my ex husband and walks in and he goes, what
• 3:14:48
  are y'all doing? That's my wife, and I'll never forget HH. Looked
• 3:14:52
  at him and he goes not anymore. I never thought to change the locks
• 3:15:01
  because I took his key and he never he never tried to get in before.
• 3:15:07
  But of course I had dated. I hadn't had anyone over. Let
• 3:15:11
  me tell you. The locksmith came the next morning. I feel like DOUBLEH
• 3:15:16
  could back up his shit though, like I cannot. I can talk to
• 3:15:20
  you, Tom, that's about it. Could he could, but that one,
• 3:15:24
  I don't know. He was all about shit crazy. I mean,
• 3:15:28
  he liked to hit women, not men. Well, so HH could have
• 3:15:33
  definitely taken him well. And like you know, the outcome of like the
• 3:15:39
  whole story was like I had never had to be in this situation before,
• 3:15:43
  but I had to start thinking about what I was posting in terms of where
• 3:15:46
  I was and things like that for a while, and and that is horrifying.
• 3:15:50
  I just don't there. Oh yeah, really, I think that's more
• 3:16:01
  a comment on Jody Arius than I'm like, but you just so do people
• 3:16:09
  not realize that you can put a lock on your docky doors so people can't
• 3:16:13
  come in. I mean they can't kick them in. They would literally have
• 3:16:18
  to take a saw thing to cut them out. I thought, No,
• 3:16:24
  I think it might have been more a comment on the Judy Areaus case where
• 3:16:28
  she came through the dogy door. But also it is true, so there
• 3:16:33
  is. But I mean, I think the thing that concerns me about stalkers
• 3:16:39
  that restraining order doesn't do anything for you because by the time you call the
• 3:16:48
  police and say they're within so many feet of me, you're dead. Oh
• 3:16:54
  yeah. But I also have to look at the flip side because my younger
• 3:16:58
  son X was that shit crazy and she filed all these fake charges and stuff
• 3:17:07
  against him, saying he was stalking, he was harassing, and he wasn't.
• 3:17:11
  He wasn't even around, and he had a restraining order put against him.
• 3:17:16
  And I told him, I said, don't worry about it doesn't really
• 3:17:18
  mean anything. It's a piece of paper, you know. And then it
• 3:17:22
  got dropped because of courts told her to stop making shit up. But there's
• 3:17:26
  that double side. So I mean, I think you need to do something
• 3:17:30
  more than a piece of paper. But then I look at us crazy women
• 3:17:33
  that file fake charges and penalize guys. I don't know what. I don't
• 3:17:39
  know what the answer is. I just know a piece of paper isn't the
• 3:17:43
  answer. There needs to be something more, whether you hit them financially,
• 3:17:48
  whether you put a tracking bracelet on them, or I mean something. I
• 3:17:56
  don't want to ruin their lives until they go to court because they're in it
• 3:18:00
  sit until proven guilty. But by the time the cops get there, they're
• 3:18:03
  dead. Yeah. Yeah, and that's my problem. You say, there,
• 3:18:09
  you know there is more awareness, but there's not enough, and it's
• 3:18:18
  hard. At least in Texas. I tried to get a restraining order against
• 3:18:22
  psycho X of my son because of issues with our grandson and threats made and
• 3:18:31
  things. I couldn't get one because the threat was implied but not direct,
• 3:18:39
  I think, is what they said. So because she didn't say I'm going
• 3:18:46
  to kill you and she said, oh I know of a way to kill
• 3:18:52
  you, it was implied but not direct, and so it was denied.
• 3:18:58
  So at least in Texas, we still have a ways to go. But
• 3:19:03
  then again, they think we all have guns so that we don't need a
• 3:19:05
  protective order. I guess there's so much to do. Oh man, all
• 3:19:13
  right, so we are hitting three hours and twenty minutes. Holy crivity,
• 3:19:20
  I know. But I have to say I had a great time, and
• 3:19:24
  after my horrible day, even though that first case almost did me in,
• 3:19:33
  I so feel better. Yeah, it is super helpful, and I now
• 3:19:43
  have a new friend on Discord. Captain and I are friends. You're about
• 3:19:48
  to have a bunch of them, I promise you. I'm pretty sure we
• 3:19:50
  got an invite to one surper and a couple other things. Oh, I
• 3:19:54
  just got another one there. It is the if you get an invite to
• 3:20:01
  the courtyard, join it. If anybody else gets an invite to the courtyard,
• 3:20:05
  join it. But yeah, so we do have some bad news that
• 3:20:15
  I was going to wait to share. Oh can I share now? Okay,
• 3:20:22
  this is our last live stream of twenty twenty three. Yes, it
• 3:20:26
  is. This is it? Mm hmm, this is This is it for
• 3:20:33
  twenty twenty three, and we will be back in January. And just to
• 3:20:41
  say, and I won't say too much JT, I'll let you, but
• 3:20:43
  I do know JT has some stuff brewing in the background, for some stuff
• 3:20:50
  for twenty twenty four to come back and spend more time with you guys.
• 3:20:54
  Uh yeah, yeah, that is. It's briefly been put on that lots
• 3:20:58
  to work out, but there's a lot to work out, not to work
• 3:21:03
  out. But twenty twenty four it's going to be amazing. Yes, yes,
• 3:21:13
  it surely will. And it'll be on our own time and our own
• 3:21:18
  schedule and our own you know, values and priorities, and we're going to
• 3:21:22
  put our self, health and our family before anything. I mean. And
• 3:21:30
  that's one reason I think our partnership works so well and it's been long lasting,
• 3:21:35
  is because we have those same values and same things. And I never
• 3:21:41
  worry about telling you, hey, I just don't feel it, because you'll
• 3:21:45
  be like, hey, don't feel it. It's fine, I got you,
• 3:21:48
  and I can tell you. There's so many times that that's not the
• 3:21:54
  case. I think that's what I love about I think this is that while
• 3:22:05
  we're not afraid to say that, we also pretty much always keep other people
• 3:22:09
  first, you know. And I think that that's really important. And the
• 3:22:16
  minute that you lose sight of that, or you lose what your initial focus
• 3:22:20
  was, why continue doing what you're doing because that wasn't the initial intent.
• 3:22:26
  So and I also like that we are confident enough to hold each other accountable
• 3:22:33
  if we start coloring out of the lines and ropin ess back. Yet.
• 3:22:37
  Now, I am going to make a promise for twenty twenty four that I
• 3:22:41
  haven't told JT about. I've only TOLDBLA in twenty twenty four, JT and
• 3:22:50
  I will physically meet up and stream or share photos. I'm so glad you
• 3:23:01
  at least told double H this first. Why of course I told him,
• 3:23:09
  well, if we showed it, if we met randomly and Double Aged didn't
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  know about it, that wouldn't be great. Who he knows everything. Because
• 3:23:16
  Double H was even like, well, you know, you should have him
• 3:23:18
  and the family come stay with us and hang out at the pool. We
• 3:23:22
  can do a barbecue, we can all hang out. I'm like, yeah,
• 3:23:24
  that's really expensive to fly a family of four to Austin, Texas and
• 3:23:31
  it's a long drive, but we are open to having you all here.
• 3:23:37
  So that will happen in twenty twenty four, and I think part of twenty
• 3:23:46
  one hour goal, we are going to maybe schedule it maybe where we can
• 3:23:50
  invite people who want to come and hang out with this can come hang out
• 3:23:58
  because I think this is an amazing community and if people want to come meet
• 3:24:05
  and us just sit around and talk, I so love that. That's how
• 3:24:09
  I'll just get to know each other. So that is my promise. At
• 3:24:16
  a bare minimum, JT and I are going to meet up face to face
• 3:24:20
  and he will be wearing pink, sparkly lipstick. When I'm done with them,
• 3:24:24
  there will be no red. I mean, I mean, listen,
• 3:24:26
  listen. I've without hesitation, worn wigs. I just threw on lipstick.
• 3:24:35
  I don't think I'll have a problem. I have said this multiple times.
• 3:24:37
  This is not news to anybody. If I had enough time, I would
• 3:24:41
  be a drag queen if I could. But there is not enough time to
• 3:24:48
  learn that art like appropriately. And I would never do a disservice to drag
• 3:24:52
  queens for all the work they do. Oh well, honey, come to
• 3:24:58
  Austin because I know some and I some of my gays have great connections.
• 3:25:05
  We can get you dulled up and we will go hit old can Harry's and
• 3:25:09
  have a good old time. And yes he will. And I can even
• 3:25:18
  show him how to do drag eyebrows because I know how to do that much.
• 3:25:26
  Yeah, I I So maybe we've got to meet in Austin, Yes,
• 3:25:33
  Michel, Michel, we do. My goal for next next year,
• 3:25:37
  just very briefly, in February, is to make sure that I see Bianca
• 3:25:41
  del Rio in Richmond, uh, because Bianca is one of my faves.
• 3:25:46
  And if you look upon this comedy. You'll know why she knows I think
• 3:25:52
  her what's her Her phrase is like, I don't know much about anything,
• 3:25:56
  but I have an opinion on everything. Oh that's me. Oh the shade
• 3:26:03
  that she can throw is amazing. So all right, And I only have
• 3:26:11
  one complaint. I never saw what our stripper name should be, so I'm
• 3:26:16
  gonna have to go back through the comments tomorrow to see what our stripper names
• 3:26:20
  would be and maybe we can one, just one. And what was Yeah
• 3:26:30
  there was one? Let me see if I can, I might be able
• 3:26:33
  to find it. Oh money, Oh geeze, I got nothing? Am
• 3:26:46
  I am sure? I'll take you? Sure, come on up, come
• 3:26:56
  on up. Yeah, I'll send you. I'll send you the link for
• 3:26:58
  the best of Bianca send me that. And it was so fabulous. And
• 3:27:05
  I want to just say I hope everybody has a tricksy terry and jingle bells
• 3:27:11
  by saying that's what that was, Yes, that's what it was. Okay,
• 3:27:16
  I kind of like tricksy terry, jingle bells, I mean jingle my
• 3:27:24
  bells, but jingle bells, could you mean jingle balls? Jingle bulls?
• 3:27:31
  That actually my fly? That might work. I don't know. I you
• 3:27:35
  know what, Uh, I kinda have to uh Eric from true consequences.
• 3:27:41
  Uh. He came up with one for me, and I cannot remember what
• 3:27:46
  the hell it was. It was really good. I'll have to bring it
• 3:27:48
  next year. Bring it next year. But I hope everybody has a wonderful
• 3:27:54
  holiday. Jingle e balls, Oh my god, yes, because we could
• 3:28:00
  put little balls, little the little balls with bells. Oh my god.
• 3:28:05
  I'm just I'm visualizing, and I'm making your tea back to go with it.
• 3:28:09
  I don't rich, but I can. I can hot gluesome bells to
• 3:28:13
  tea back for you, and you can balls. All I can think of
• 3:28:20
  is how they would read me on with that. Oh my god, I
• 3:28:24
  die. Michelle Massage. We will not invite them to look. Yes,
• 3:28:33
  waiting balls with holly bears. Oh y'all, y'all, we need to do
• 3:28:43
  this, Okay, okay, when we hit ten thousand tea back with jingly
• 3:28:50
  bells and holly berries, so you can be jingalls. Okay, all right,
• 3:28:58
  okay, guys, that is recorded. We are live. It is
• 3:29:01
  on ten thousand subscribers. Wouldn't you die if we were in January first?
• 3:29:11
  What would you do if we came in January first and had ten thousand.
• 3:29:13
  Shit, I mean looks like I'm putting jingle balls on bombabells. So but
• 3:29:20
  we're back January eleventh, I believe is when we're back. I think it's
• 3:29:28
  the date. So it was great, and I was just gonna say if
• 3:29:39
  if you're for lack of material, uh you know we're we're We were doing
• 3:29:50
  sorry hoppy Holidays on brew Crimes podcast. Yes are there too, Yes you
• 3:29:56
  are there, and Terry's there, and so hoppy Holiday is like quick cases,
• 3:30:01
  funny cases. It's primarily humor. And so when I was recording with
• 3:30:09
  Mike while you were sick, when we finished one, I was like,
• 3:30:13
  wow, that was so short. We shot our what quick there? Quick
• 3:30:20
  ons you're fast right, are anywhere between like four to fifteen minutes. But
• 3:30:26
  it's one thing. It's usually funny, and we're releasing it's one once a
• 3:30:30
  day, and I believe we have them up until the twenty sixth. So
• 3:30:33
  check check out brew Crimes podcast and let your friends and enemies know U.
• 3:30:39
  But also again about this one too, because once we hit a thousand,
• 3:30:43
  as you all know, bankufp's happening and as well as an extremely hot hot
• 3:30:48
  sauce, Oh my god, right, and on my TikTok because you know,
• 3:30:52
  I had to start a new one this summer, so I think I'm
• 3:30:54
  only at like three hundred on the new one. Once I hit a thousand,
• 3:30:58
  I can go live to do my makeup and headlines and not have to
• 3:31:03
  keep them so short. I am struggling with getting makeup done in ten minutes
• 3:31:09
  and talking about my cases. So I'm really excited. So you can find
• 3:31:13
  me at Arry True Crime over on the talk as well, because I would
• 3:31:18
  like to start going live with the headlines in daily makeup because I don't want
• 3:31:22
  to do it on our YouTube channel because I'm not a makeup artist, as
• 3:31:28
  we obviously know. But stop it. You are lovely always. Oh I
• 3:31:33
  am lovely. I'm just not a makeup artist. There's not's not saying anything
• 3:31:39
  wrong. So make up guys, stay safe, watch out for crime,
• 3:31:46
  enjoy wine time, and please do not kill your family members during the holidays.
• 3:31:52
  Step outside, take a couple of deep breaths, yes, take some
• 3:32:00
  deepress so we don't want to cover yeah no, and and take care of
• 3:32:05
  yourselves, your friends, your family. I can't remember the rest of everything
• 3:32:09
  that I normally say I am, I've drank too much. So here we
• 3:32:13
  are you all know, Shine on you, crazy Diamonds, dog Gunnet.
• 3:32:18
  We will see you in twenty twenty four. Bye everybody, guys. Two