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11-05-26 Hour 1 - Apex Joker/NFL Trade Deadline/CFP Rankings · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher Lombardi and Kane on demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 2: All right. That was nice to get back to a nice,
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  Speaker 2: great second half. Cruise control to the finish. Something that
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  Speaker 2: soothed the soul. Provided as a palate cleanser yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Moj, look how young Nelly looks now that he's.
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  Speaker 2: Shaved his beard.
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  Speaker 4: Unreal. That's funny.
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  Speaker 3: What a little beard and a mustache shaving will do
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  Speaker 3: to a person?
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  Speaker 2: Just transform. Connor Newman's filling in for Nelly today. So,
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  Speaker 2: listen to this. I've brought this up multiple times, but
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  Speaker 2: I do think it matters and is significant. The best
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  Speaker 2: games the Nuggets have had and the best games that
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  Speaker 2: Jokic has had this season are games in which Jokic
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  Speaker 2: doesn't shoot threes. I mean, it's remarkable to see the
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  Speaker 2: difference in efficiency numbers, in how the team plays overall. Like, Vic,
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  Speaker 2: he takes one three last night. He's 13 of 19
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  Speaker 2: from the floor.
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  Speaker 3: Last night from the very onset, because Toronto doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: anybody that can really guard him. They don't have a
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  Speaker 3: Donovan Klingon. They don't have a big body. They have
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of bodies, but no real big body. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they have Purtle, but Purtle's not mobile enough to do much.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You could tell from the onset that Joker was going
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  Speaker 3: to be very aggressive Joker. He was going to be
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  Speaker 3: apex predator Joker.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 3: And he lived in the paint and pretty much shot
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  Speaker 3: everything from the paint and was.
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  Speaker 2: Efficient, was aggressive, was productive.
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  Speaker 3: He got himself his 201st career triple-double, and he did
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  Speaker 3: it before the end of the third quarter.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was emotional. Are you on motion?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, I'm here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just participating in the show. Yeah, well, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there hasn't been a window for me to jump
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  Speaker 4: in so far.
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  Speaker 3: Normally, when I stop talking and he stops talking, the
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  Speaker 3: third wheel starts talking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Basically, though, you guys are just jabbing your faces off
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  Speaker 4: to each other because you're in studio. You're a different
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  Speaker 4: animal when you're in studio. You're like an apex predator. Yeah. Apex. Apex.
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  Speaker 4: I have never considered you an apex predator in my
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  Speaker 4: entire life. Not one time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome.
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  Speaker 4: At halftime, though, I was pretty nervous. I sent you
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  Speaker 4: guys a text, did I not? They make me nervous
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  Speaker 4: all the time. Everything about this team makes me nervous. Everything.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, let me say this. Aaron Gordon
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  Speaker 4: looked like Aaron Gordon. And so that helps out a lot, too.
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  Speaker 4: When Aaron Gordon looks like he's feeling good, And he's happy.
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  Speaker 4: And he's doing AG stuff. That makes a big difference
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  Speaker 4: on the floor. Big difference.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they're 4-3. They've beaten three teams that are sub-500.
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  Speaker 3: One that's above 500. Last night was their first team
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  Speaker 3: they've beaten above 500, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Believe it or not.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The deal with the Nuggets is they're not where we
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  Speaker 3: want them to be. but they're showing signs that they
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  Speaker 3: can get there.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a fair assessment? Yes, I think that's totally fair.
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  Speaker 3: They're not what or who we want them to be yet.
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  Speaker 3: But Jamal has proven he's ready to go. Joker just
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  Speaker 3: told Bill Simmons, yeah, I've watched Predator.
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  Speaker 2: 1 and 2. I'm ready to go.
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  Speaker 3: AG showed signs of life in the second half yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Can he get kick-started? And the kids were phenomenal. Bryce
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  Speaker 3: Hopkins was on our post-game show. So two things from
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  Speaker 3: what you just mentioned. Number one, I just did some
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  Speaker 3: quick number crunching.
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  Speaker 2: In the three games in which Jokic has taken one
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  Speaker 2: three or less this year, he is shooting 29 of
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  Speaker 2: 45 from the floor. That's somewhere around 65%. Yeah. In
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  Speaker 2: the four games in which he has taken six or
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  Speaker 2: more threes, he is shooting 35 of 82, which is
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  Speaker 2: probably around 40%, 45%, somewhere in that ballpark. Like, it's
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  Speaker 2: a massive difference, but I think his efficiency sort of
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  Speaker 2: feeds off the rest of the team. And what you
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  Speaker 2: just said about the, the young guys, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: were talking about going into this season in a year
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  Speaker 2: in which you are going to have a, you, you
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  Speaker 2: didn't have the ability to bring in like proven players
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  Speaker 2: in the NBA outside of, you know, with the Marge Rosen,
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  Speaker 2: but guys in vet minimum contracts or two way contracts
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, you needed people to be things, right? Well,
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  Speaker 2: Trevon Brazil's a thing. He's a guy. He's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a guy who gets 15 to 20 minutes a night.
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  Speaker 2: He's part of your rotation. Bryce Hopkins. You know, it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: I watched summer league games. I was doing a couple
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  Speaker 2: summer league games for the TV side. And Hopkins just
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  Speaker 2: looked like somebody who was not scared when he got
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  Speaker 2: on the floor. And it's something I appreciate about him.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of guys who are especially rookies
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  Speaker 2: in the league can look around and be like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: playing next to Nikola Jokic, and this team has won
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  Speaker 2: a championship and made the playoffs year after year. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to wait and bide my time and earn my
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  Speaker 2: touches or whatever. And he just said, nope, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to shoot. I'm on the floor. I'm an NBA player.
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  Speaker 4: They played me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to shoot.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be found gold if they do. When was the
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  Speaker 4: last time an NBA team, any NBA team, any, had
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  Speaker 4: two second-round picks in the same year come in as
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  Speaker 4: rookies and actually contribute and look.
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  Speaker 2: Like dudes ever. That's a great point. It doesn't happen
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  Speaker 2: too often. Ever, ever, ever.
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  Speaker 4: Too often. It frigging never happens.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to ask another question towards that.
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  Speaker 2: This is all great. When's the last time a team
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  Speaker 2: won a championship with two rookies getting significant playing time?
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  Speaker 4: Now you're getting to my point. Yeah, we're talking about
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  Speaker 4: found gold, though, which is what I think the Nuggets
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  Speaker 4: in the current state with the frigging aprons and everything
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  Speaker 4: else they have.
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  Speaker 2: Can I say it? What?
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  Speaker 4: Say what?
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  Speaker 2: Can I say what the young guys do?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And why they're playing?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 2: And why they're getting playing time?
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  Speaker 4: Please do.
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  Speaker 2: They play hard. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't... Guys, I mean, we're overlooking the obvious here.
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  Speaker 3: You're watching the games. I'm watching the games.
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  Speaker 2: What do they do? Play hard. With their hair on fire.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Get on the ground. Get on the floor. Go 100
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  Speaker 2: miles an hour. They play hard. Close out. Yeah. If
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  Speaker 2: you want to play, play hard.
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  Speaker 3: And that's exactly what– Bryce Hopkins last night was a
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  Speaker 3: one-man steel machine. He was all over the court on
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  Speaker 3: the defensive end, causing havoc in that third quarter.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think happened that third? I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: know you put up 41 points, but you got points
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  Speaker 2: off transition. What changed defensively in the third quarter? They
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  Speaker 2: played harder. Yeah, maybe it's that simple.
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  Speaker 3: They got contagious on the defensive end. They saw, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we got to stop. Let's go get another one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, this is working. Let's get another one.
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  Speaker 4: That's a hell of a breakdown, Vic.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny because Jason Richardson said the same thing last night.
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  Speaker 3: I said, how did they get going defensively? He said,
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  Speaker 3: defense is as contagious as offense. So if you don't
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  Speaker 3: like my breakdown, ask the 14-year NBA veteran who has
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more of a resume than you do.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that your big analysis. Oh, they played hard.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, once again, I will give that analysis to the
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  Speaker 3: man who gave it to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's as easy as that.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, man.
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  Speaker 4: You missed it yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: We asked Jared Bednar. What are they not doing defensively?
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  Speaker 3: What are they not doing defensively?
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  Speaker 2: He said effort. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Guess what?
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  Speaker 3: I could apply that same analysis to the Avs. What
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  Speaker 3: do they need to do more? Play hard.
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  Speaker 4: But it was one week ago on this program when
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  Speaker 4: that was my key to the game. And you fried
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  Speaker 4: me like a piece of bacon.
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  Speaker 2: Well, can I also, because we've mentioned this like eight
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  Speaker 2: times already this morning. including myself and the appetizer, just
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  Speaker 2: play this. The whole Apex Joker thing, if you guys
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  Speaker 2: missed it, it's because Bill Simmons, who loves Joker, by
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  Speaker 2: the way. He loves him.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he does now. He didn't eat four years ago.
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  Speaker 2: No, he's always loved Joker. Are you kidding? Bill Simmons
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  Speaker 2: has been his biggest cheerleader of anybody internationally. He was
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  Speaker 2: the one, like, when Joker was on that Nick Wright
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  Speaker 2: campaign of, like, he doesn't deserve this. He's like, are
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  Speaker 2: you insane? Watch him. But here's what he said about
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  Speaker 2: Joker this year. This is before last night's game.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: This really hurts.
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  Speaker 6: I think we have to pour one out for Apex Joker.
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  Speaker 6: I hate to break the news to you this way. Look,
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  Speaker 6: his apex was six years. Most people's apex in basketball is.
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  Speaker 2: Two to three. I'm not writing off Joker.
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  Speaker 6: I'm really concerned about him post-injury last year.
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  Speaker 2: The way he looked for the.
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  Speaker 6: When he came back, how he looked in the playoffs
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  Speaker 6: and how he looks this year, because he can't shoot
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  Speaker 6: threes anymore. When he came back from his injury last year,
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  Speaker 6: 31% from three playoffs, 19% this year, 22%. The really
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  Speaker 6: alarming stuff, not just eye tests. He's 22, 10 and
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  Speaker 6: nine still. He's almost averaging a triple doubled. I'm not
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  Speaker 6: saying he's not good anymore. I'm just saying apex Joker,
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  Speaker 6: best offensive player. you know, potentially in the history of
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  Speaker 6: the league, the way he was doing it, that guy
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  Speaker 6: might be gone.
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  Speaker 2: He's not making threes.
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  Speaker 6: He's not getting the free throw line.
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  Speaker 2: I always have thought that the three point thing with
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  Speaker 2: Joker and the Nuggets has been overblown. I think that
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  Speaker 2: that has been, it's almost like a mandate that we
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  Speaker 2: put on ourselves because that's how the league was trending.
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  Speaker 2: And it just never felt like that's the way that
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  Speaker 2: Nuggets could play. I disagree.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: The year they won the championship, he was making threes
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of them in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: He was.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a big deal. But they weren't a
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  Speaker 2: team that was hauling off 35, 40 threes a game. No,
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  Speaker 2: but he was making open threes.
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  Speaker 4: True.
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  Speaker 2: And he was doing it efficiently. For him specifically, I
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  Speaker 2: would agree.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I disagree with you on that.
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  Speaker 3: I do think his take on, you know, Apex and
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  Speaker 3: whatever word you want to use, Prime Joker.
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  Speaker 4: Listen. man.
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  Speaker 3: Let's be real here. His better days are behind him already.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to be 32 in a couple months. That's
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  Speaker 3: how nature works.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't like nature.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to do nature anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Guess what? Nathan McKinnon's better days are behind him already.
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  Speaker 2: That's how nature works. Don't you dare.
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  Speaker 4: Jesus, God almighty.
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  Speaker 2: My better days are behind me already.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I had a car. I'd be there right now.
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  Speaker 4: I'd be in studio, and I'd just wring your neck.
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  Speaker 2: When was your peak athleticism again? Was it five years
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  Speaker 2: ago or six? Peak athleticism for me? 46 years old.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so then they've got a long way to go then.
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  Speaker 4: Look at the kid.
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  Speaker 2: The kid, he doesn't know. Look at the kid, Connor,
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  Speaker 2: over here. Hey, Connor, go over to the DAC and check.
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  Speaker 3: Out the mantle and see how many... Monday night rec
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  Speaker 3: ball championships are under my name.
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  Speaker 2: At the age of 46. Your better years are 20
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  Speaker 2: years behind you.
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  Speaker 3: Moj, your better years ended in high school with that
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  Speaker 3: mullet when you were 16.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for the reminder. I appreciate that, Vic. That's a great,
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  Speaker 4: great reminder for me today. That's exactly, you know what?
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  Speaker 4: When I woke up, I said, you know what I need?
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  Speaker 4: I need some five-foot-two jerk wagon to tell me that
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  Speaker 4: my better days are behind me.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Moj, I mean, you had to deal with those
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  Speaker 3: massive headwinds to get in.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 3: How long did it take for you to get in?
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  Speaker 3: Did you just arrive from Columbus?
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question, Moj? And this is
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  Speaker 2: a legitimate question.
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  Speaker 4: I'll show you some headwind.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: Legitimate question to you.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't have to.
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  Speaker 2: And God, do I love Mark Mosher. I take a
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  Speaker 2: bullet for Mark Mosher. Not in the chest, but maybe
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  Speaker 2: like in the fingers.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Finger.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I would not take a bullet for Mark Mosher.
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  Speaker 2: I take that back. Baby Jamal Cale needs a daddy. But, Mosher,
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  Speaker 2: why did you, in a text that just could have said,
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  Speaker 2: we're getting in late, I'm taking the day off. Why
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  Speaker 2: did you go through the detail of telling us about
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  Speaker 2: the headwinds? It's blown me away. I can't stop thinking
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know how much fun Bednar made of you yesterday?
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  Speaker 3: How much he poked fun at you? Coach, what time
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  Speaker 3: did you guys land last night in Denver?
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember? Yeah, I think it was, like, just
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  Speaker 2: before 12 because we gained two hours. So before midnight.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: According to Mosier, you guys are going to face a
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  Speaker 3: massive headwind and not get in until, like, 5 a.m.
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  Speaker 4: He literally told us.
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  Speaker 2: He literally told us headwinds is what he said. So
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  Speaker 2: he's not doing the show this morning. So is he lazy?
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  Speaker 4: He's prepared, this guy.
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  Speaker 2: He's got, like, he– I don't look into the headwinds.
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  Speaker 2: Who does?
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  Speaker 5: We land, we land.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a meteorologist, so.
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  Speaker 3: He has all the information.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what he's talking about.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, like, it was.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen Moe show up, like, on some later fights
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  Speaker 2: than that. I know that.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Coach. God bless you for surviving
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  Speaker 2: those headwinds this morning. So the headwinds just... It felt
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  Speaker 2: like way too much information. They're on to you.
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  Speaker 4: You see, I like to provide information so that people
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  Speaker 4: get a clear picture of what the whole story is.
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  Speaker 2: You guys don't do.
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  Speaker 4: information at all. You give little, I'm out late.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much. Well, that's what you're going to get
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  Speaker 4: from now on. Good. There's no more explanation of Jack
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  Speaker 4: squat to anybody about anything. If I'm gone, I'm gone
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  Speaker 4: and you will have no idea why.
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  Speaker 2: it was a promo for Crackman Lindahl, who I think
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: are two sharp individuals, smart guys. But they were saying
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: something that I entirely disagreed with and thought was incredibly stupid.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: That's the beautiful of sports talk radio. You disagree, and
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: it's okay to disagree. Smart dudes, I think this opinion's dumb.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: And they aren't alone. I've seen a lot of Broncos
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: fans say this. So it's going to sound like a promo.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: We aren't going to break. It's just the sound that
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: we have. But I want you guys to listen. Go ahead.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor, it'll be awesome if they do it.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Nate Kreckman.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: And if they do it, you know what? We live
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: in the moment. I'll be sitting here saying, go get it.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Andy Lindahl.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, then explain the Jalen Waddell situation to me.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: If you would have told us at the start of
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: the year, eight games in, two tutties, for Jalen Waddell,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: we would have said.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Would you have said give up the first round pick
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: for that? No. Hell no, you wouldn't have.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: No.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, I got to look at it and say,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know if the juice is worth the squeeze.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Kreckman and Lindahl. They talk about Jalen Waddell, first round pick.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I've seen people on the text line, people who call
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: into radio shows. Hey, Jalen Waddell, what a bust of
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: a trade that was. Whose fault is that? You think...
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: You think that Jalen Waddell just became a not-good football player.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Is that the assumption here?
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think you're starting to get that, Kaner.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: I think that you're starting to hit the nail on
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: the head.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: It's not like he's running crappy routes and he can't
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: get separation or whatever the case may be. I don't
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: think it's on number 17. That's my point.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: You've had, even though it has improved the last couple
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: of weeks, bottom five quarterback play in the league this year.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Wide receivers aren't productive in that. You want to know
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: how I know that's the case? Jalen Waddell this year
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: has 29 catches for 315 yards and two touchdowns. You
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: want somebody else? Justin Jefferson this year has 28 catches
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: for 335 yards and four touchdowns. Does he suck?
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Of course not. I was just going to say Justin Jefferson.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: He's actually a squeaky wheel, though. He actually... When he's
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: not getting the ball, Brett, he lets you know he's
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: not getting the ball.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: His numbers, outside of two more touchdowns, are the exact
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: same as Jalen Waddell in Minnesota. Now, he was out
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: for a couple of games, understood. But he's Justin Jefferson.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: That's a top three receiver in the league. The quarterback
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: has to get the guy the football. And I don't
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: think it's a waste of a first-round pick because the quarterback.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Isn't playing well right now. What are you trying to
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: say here?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: That... The assumption that that was a waste of a
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: first-round pick in trading for Jalen Waddell is dumb. And
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: to play that game with, well, now what happens if
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: we trade more picks to try and improve your running
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: back room? They have nothing to do with one another,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: first of all. But second of all, here's the main point, Vic.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: The trade for a Jonathan Taylor or whoever at running
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: back doesn't involve Bo Nix throwing a pass to him.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: You hand him the ball and then he does his job.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: It's actually a way better concept than trading for a
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: wide receiver at this moment in time.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: That position is entirely dependent on the man.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Who throws the ball. Receiver, yes.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: So if that position isn't fulfilled, first thing you say
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: to yourself, is that player not what he used to be?
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: You answer that question.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Does Jalen Waddell look like the player he used to be?
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: He's still the same guy.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Still moves pretty quick. Still moves fast. He's had some
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: drops this year. I will say that. But look at
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the targets versus years past. Through how many games has
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: he had here now? Six? Eight. Eight games. I'm sorry.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Eight games.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Take a look at his targets in Miami through eight
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: games where he wasn't even the number one guy there.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Take a look at his targets. Compare them. Then talk
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: to me about, what does that even mean? Well, here's
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: the other thing. Is Cortland Sutton a good receiver? Of course.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: He's had basically 75 to 80 catches, 1,000 yards, and
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: seven or eight touchdowns the last couple of years. We're
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: halfway through the year. He's got 20 catches. Is that
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: because Cortland Sutton has fallen off a cliff?
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: No. No.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: It's because your offense, specifically your passing game, has been very,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: very poor this year. And again, I'm keeping my fingers
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: crossed that the last couple of weeks have shown some
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: signs of life in that. But all I'm saying is,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: there is no reason to point to Jalen Waddell first
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: round trade, first of all, as something that failed or
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: was a waste of a first rounder. And second of all,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: it shouldn't stop you at all from being aggressive in
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: the running back market for the next five days.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: It shouldn't.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: And I'm still, I have cement feet in the idea
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: that if you don't make a move at running back,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I think Broncos fans should have every right to be
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: furious about it. Furious. It's the one thing that I
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: think within this offense.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Would.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: help you without a reliance on quarterback play.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, but let's go to the last thing that Nate said.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Is the juice worth the squeeze? And Ryan Harris was
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: on here on Monday and he said, look, man, I
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: don't know that he's going to add that much more
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: that you don't already have to make that big of
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: a difference. for what you have to give up to get.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: You're talking about the, the, the Taylor out of, out
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: of Indy. I don't know that you're going to be
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: able to justify what you're going to have to give
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: up in order to get him. And then is it
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: going to be that much better? I am of the
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: assumption that it probably is, to be honest. I think
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: that guy's a special back, but I, If it isn't,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: that's going to stink. You've got to be able to
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: utilize him and utilize him correctly and well in order
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: to get the payoff.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: The difference between a running back and a receiver. A
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: running back is dependent on the scheme and the coach
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: and the play call. I mean, that's how many touches
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: that person is going to get. A receiver is entirely
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: dependent on many more factors.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: And one of which is the quarterback. Well, let me
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: give you, just for reference's sake, because Adam Schefter said
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: he thinks that to get a deal for Taylor done,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: it would take a second, third, fourth, and fifth.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I'll give you the second, third, fourth, and fifth round
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: picks from George Payton in the last three years. Keep
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: in mind, he is excellent at that aspect. I think
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: it's what makes him one of the best GMs in
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the league. His ability to scout deep into a draft
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: and find gems late in drafts is a superpower of his.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: But here's just some second, third, fourth, and fifths over
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the last three drafts, not including this one because it's
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: hard to judge in a rookie year. Second rounder from
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: last year was R.J. Harvey. Pretty good player, right? Pretty good.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Third round pick was Pat Bryant. Decent player. Another third
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: round pick, Savion Jones. Rotational guy. Fourth round pick, Q. Robinson. Again,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: nice depth. Year before that, Joan Ellis. Rotational guy. Troy Franklin,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: good depth at wide out. He was a fourth-round pick.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Chris Abrams-Drain, very good player, but he's depth behind all
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the stacked corners in the room. The other fifth-rounder was
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Audra Kestame. That didn't work. And then the year before
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: that was Marvin Mims. I hate to say it, good
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: depth and a good returner. That's what he is for
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the Broncos. Third-round pick was Drew Sanders.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Didn't work.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: The other third-round pick was Riley Moss. He's very good
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: at finding NFL players who are in your rotation, but...
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: All of those guys are depth pieces which matter to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: winning football teams. And I would say this, George, take
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: a year off from the depth department and just get
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: yourself a running back. Just do that. Get the bona
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: fide thing where you don't have to project and think
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: about what's he going to be in two years. Give
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: me the guy that's good right now, please. And it
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be just Jonathan Taylor. I mean, that's
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the pipe dream, Moj. Brees Hall, Tony Pollard, just give
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: me a veteran-trusted back who can do some work for
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: you in the backfield.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: I take what you're saying. I would like that, too.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: And again, it comes down to how are they going
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: to utilize that back? Are they going to run the football?
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: They've made a conscious choice in recent weeks to do that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: How much more are you going to get out of that?
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: And if that is the case, are you then going
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: to Move J.K.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Dobbins.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's going to be malcontent. I don't
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: think he's that guy. But, boy, you know, he still
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: thinks he has something to prove, and he wants to
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: prove himself, and I'm sure he's probably not too thrilled
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: with the direction they would go when he thinks that
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: he can still do it. You know what I mean?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: At the age of 28.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Peyton said yesterday that J.K. Dobbins is still a big
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: piece of what they do offensively.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, a lot is going to be said
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: about how he reacts to certain questions. He's got to
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: hold things close to his chest here. That's exactly what
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I thought. Good, because everybody wants him to say, to
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: speak the truth. That would be very dumb for a
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: coach to speak the truth about a player who he still.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: May need to rely on, right?
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Do you expect him to say, yeah, tank is emptied, man.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: What do you think he's going to say? He's going
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: to protect the player.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Sure. Yeah.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And he can't, unless something happens. He is a major
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: piece of your running game still, especially with Harvey on
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the shelf.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Appreciate the question, though, because it's obvious to me and
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: everybody watching, they're holding him back a little bit to
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: give the kid more run, right?
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: And say what you want. Are they load managing him?
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Whatever it is, they're doing something to limit his carries,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: which is fine.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Is anybody really going to complain about that? I think
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: that you've seen what they have to do as an offense.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: By the way, I was doing some numbers because you
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: said something, Moj, and it just didn't feel right when
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I heard it out loud. Sean Payton took over play
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: calling duties four games ago. Took him back from Davis Webb.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: In that time frame, there's some things that Sean has
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: done better than Davis Webb, and there's some things that
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Davis Webb has done better than Sean, specifically third down.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Davis Webb was getting like 40% conversion rate, and Sean Payton,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: we've highlighted it. He's been 9-48 over the last four
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: games on third-down conversions. But I was just doing the
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: math here. The last four games, passing attempts to running attempts.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: What do you think the separation is between those two
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: under Sean?
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: The last four games, pass to run. You mean percentage-wise,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: one to another?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Sure. Excuse me.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: I would say I think they've been pretty equal. Am
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I wrong about that?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: They have, in the last four games, attempted nine more
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: passes than runs. That's it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: So they've been pretty equal.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: That's almost 50-50, which is even more extreme than what
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: most teams want for balance. They want it to be
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: more like 60-40. They're almost right down the middle at 50-50.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: It's like, will Sean Payton commit to running the football?
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I think he has. I just don't think you like
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the results of the runs, and that's my point. Like,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: this is what I'm trying to get at. People have
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: put this on, well, Sean Payton will even run the
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: running backs. Have you guys looked at what they've done
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: on offense over the last month? All they've done is
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: run the football. They just kind of stink at it.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: And I think part of that's because J.K. Dobbins is
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: not very good anymore. So you go to Jonah Coleman,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: it's a little bit more effective, but you can get
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: better stuff back there. Like, I'm not crazy, am I?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: All of these things seem to make sense to me.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: He wants to be able to run the football.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Because his quarterback's not playing very well at the moment.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: So you need to have something. So he's trying to
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: run it.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I wish we could get Sean Payton, kidnap him with
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: like a Navy SEAL team, and put some truth serum
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: in him.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: By the way, what is truth serum, Vic?
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: You're a doctor.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: What truth do you need here?
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Why are we making a big deal of this? What
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: is the issue here? Well, let me get to it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: What's the big issue? I'm curious about this conversation.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I'm curious to see what he really truly feels about
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: his quarterback play right now. I'm really– if I had
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: to put– I'll tell you what he feels.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: He's very frustrated.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: He doesn't show it.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: Again.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: How many times do I have to say this? Do
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: you think the head coach is going to come out
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: and ream Bo Nix– when his team is 6-2 and
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: leading the AFC West?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Of course not.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: I'm talking... He's frustrated, obviously. It's more than just right now, though, Vic.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: I'm very curious to think about.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: And to hear him talk about if he had the
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: truth serum in him. And again, I don't know what
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: truth serum is. I've only heard of it.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: He's probably frustrated with himself. And it's not just Bo.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: He's frustrated with everything on the offensive side. He's frustrated
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: that he's an offensive coach. He's one of the best
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: offensive innovators the game has seen this generation. And his
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: defense is carrying him right now.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: He's frustrated. Of course he is.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Well, Vic, his defense has been carrying him for three years,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: for crying out loud. So it's three years of frustration?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: He didn't show it that much, and they're 6-2, bro.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Well, that's it. If he were 2-6, you'd hear a
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: lot more.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you would.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: That's the difference. That's why I don't understand why everybody's all....
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: There's nothing to see here. His team is winning. When
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: your team is winning, it doesn't matter how it looks.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how the sausage is made. Nobody wants
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: to hear you moan about it. You're 6-2 and leading
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: the division. But I guarantee beneath all that, you know him.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: He said it himself.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: He hates victory more than he celebrates. He hates to
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: lose more than he celebrates victory. That's what I was
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: trying to say. That's how he's made, and most competitors
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: are made that way. So you know, beneath all that,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: he's seething.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I wish you had gone on just a little bit
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: more with that. He hates victory. Just hates it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Well, sometimes he does. Gets pissed off when he wins.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Sometimes he does.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Well, the Green Bay game, when he drove around the
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: sushi parking lot for an hour, even though they won,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: that was a great.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: You know what? That was a great.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Moment into his soul, and I appreciate Sean Payton actually
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: explaining that to us and laying it out there. I
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: thought that was really cool.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: You know, you talk about truth serum and all this crap.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Do you think if Sean Payton had the choice, if
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: you said to him, I've got a magic wand, I've
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: got my Harry Potter wand, and you're 6-2, but you're
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: 6-2 because your offense is averaging 45 a game, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: you're putting up ridiculous numbers.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Your defense is just holding up a dear life.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Dude, you couldn't measure the vibrations of his stinger.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: There's no instrument on the planet that can measure the
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: amount of stinger vibration.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Let me take this a step further.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: What?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: That scenario you just laid out. They're still 6-2, but
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: they're 6-2 because their offense is putting up 40 a game.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: But one caveat to that. Davis Webb is still the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: play caller. That's a different story. I mean, listen.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: At the same time, it's still his offense.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: It's not him. It's Davis Webb takes over and, wow,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: look how much better this was.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Now you've got 18 scenarios going on in my brain.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Point is, he's happy. What coach wouldn't be happy? What
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: team wouldn't be happy?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: You're 6-2. You're leading the division when.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Nobody thought you would. But you know you can be better.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: And that's what drives great minds and great coaches. He's
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: a great coach. And great coaches are never happy. They
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: never suck.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Vic, let's say they averaged in the upper 20s. Like,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: they averaged 27 points per game.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: But they got 28 against KC. That's good enough.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: True, but I'm just saying, if they averaged 28 per game,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: this team would be like unbeatable. They would be very
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: close to being an absolute sure thing against anybody. Anybody.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Anybody. It feels like, especially last year, Moj, it was
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: the questions about the Avs. Like, if they had their
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: normal top 10, top 5 power play.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, criminy.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: They'd win 7-1 every night.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But reminder to you guys, keyword for this hour,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: chance to get the building on the 19th against the
• 31:19
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• 31:24
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• 31:28
  Speaker 2: As in of the Caribbean? I've got to be honest.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know what these keywords mean. What was the
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: first one? The first one was Falcon.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Falcon Pirates. Falcon Pirates.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know. See if you can connect the dots.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Well, Tampa Bay Buccaneers are Pirates. Buccaneers a pirate. Falcons
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: land a falcon. No.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think that's it at all.
• 32:01
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• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Chad Brown will join us at 8 o'clock, breaking down
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the college football in NFL weekend. Back after this. All right,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: so a significant week in college football. A couple of
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: big games at the top of the standings. This does
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: feel like a playoff game of sorts with Miami and
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame, especially with Notre Dame.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: How about Malachi Toney, though?
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: That's big, big, big news for Vic's bunch, ain't it?
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: He came out of nowhere. He had a great game
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: last week. I was starting to think that maybe he's
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: starting to take over that Heisman ranks and that sort
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: of thing. But high ankle sprain surgery. They said that
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: if Miami continues to win, he should be able to
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: come back for the playoff. but obviously not in this
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: huge game.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I know everybody's making a big deal out of Tony,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: and it is a huge deal, but Notre Dame's also
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: missing four key starters, three on the defensive side, that
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: will not play in this game. So, everyone is saying, yeah,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I don't want anybody to lose any steam. Oh, they
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: won because Malachi Tony wasn't there. I don't want to
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: hear that crap.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: It does help. What about the four starters missing on
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: this side? But Tony's a big Oh, okay, okay. So
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: four starters versus one. It's a player. I don't know
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: who else is hurt from Miami. I don't follow Miami football.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't either, and you're laying it out there now, Vic.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: You're making a case.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not making any case. By the way, hey, here's
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: the case, and let me make it very clear. You
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: lose this game, you should not be in the playoff.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: You win this game, you beat number one. How high
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: do you think they'll be ranked? You beat the number
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: one team with a.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: You should climb four spots. Five, six.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: You should be number one. Why shouldn't you be number
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: one if you beat number one?
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Can I back you up a little bit?
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not BYU, though.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: But you're laying it out, though, like, okay.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Who else beat number one? A bunch of teams have
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: beat number one this year. Number one has gone to, like,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: five different teams already. Here's the other thing. Hold on,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: hold on, hold on, hold on. Hodor.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Hodor. Let me back you up a little bit, Vic.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: I do believe... That when the BCS, what.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Do they call it?
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: The BCS rankings or whatever.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: The college football playoff rankings?
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Well, that too.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: It's hard to keep track.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: There's no two.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: BCS was 20 years ago, bro.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: I live in the past, all right?
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: That's obvious.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: When the BCS rankings came out, Notre Dame got hosed.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: And when I say Notre Dame got hosed.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about last year?
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about right now.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: It's not the BCS. I'm trying to tell you that
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: it's the college football playoff rankings.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: College football playoff. Whatever you want to call it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: The BCS was 20 years ago.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: You know exactly what the hell I'm talking about. You
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Notre Dame got.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Hosed at 11. Hosed.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Dave Parker, gigantic hosing at the plate. It's terrible.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Would you like to hear Kurt Cignetti's thoughts on the
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: rankings that came out? Here's what he said.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: SEC gets a lot of love from the ESPN, you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: and all their writers that they don't technically pay, but
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: march to their drum.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: So, and that's why you see all these SEC teams
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: up there, you know, and some good two loss teams
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: from the big 10, not quite as high. But like
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: I said, it's all going to be, it's all going
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: to be played out on the fields.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Look, he's Kurt Cignetti can say this because, um, When
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: you win virtually every week, you can kind of do
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: what you want. Saban's been like that for a long time.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I know that people that are not in the SEC,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: like the Big Ten's having a power struggle here because
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: they want the crown of best conference in the country,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: but they have a problem. Michigan stinks now, and Oregon
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: stinks now, and Penn State stinks now Like, they're big
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: dogs that you traditionally look at and are like, hey,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: you want to see the depth of our conference, too?
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Look at these guys. Well, they're kind of run by what?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Ohio State and Indiana. That's what they have. And Ohio State,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: without Julian saying, is now taking a hit, too.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine, though, a decade ago, less than that,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: five years ago even? Yeah, Indiana's, they're propping up the
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Big Ten. Can you imagine those words even coming out
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: of somebody's mouth?
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Is he lying?
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: No, he's not lying. But this guy, Kurt Cignetti, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: the Indiana football team are propping up the Big Ten
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: with Ohio State. You'd be going, what are you.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: On dope?
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: You know what's sad? You know it was collateral damage
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: and all this? I feel bad, honestly, for the ESPN
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: hosts who have to do those shows. They're stuck in
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: the crossfire. Because everybody blames them.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: For all this SEC prop stuff. Everybody complains.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Even Reese Davis, who is an Alabama, I think he's
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: an Alabama graduate.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: He's either Georgia or Alabama. Get that right. I'm not
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: sure which one. Look it up for me. Even Reese Davis.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Even that former Bama quarterback. Where is he? Bama. Okay.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: The former Bama quarterback was on that CFP show. Those
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: guys were embarrassed when they saw Alabama at number five.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Embarrassed.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: They know it. They know it. We see it. The
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: world sees it. It's now corruption. And for everybody out
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: there who says, what's the big deal? There's a lot
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: of season left. It is a big deal because the
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: first poll sets up the next poll. I would say this, though.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I understand the one-to-one that people make because the ESPN network,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: the largest, I mean, the worldwide leader in sports, They
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: have a television contract with the SEC, and I think
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of people point to that as that's the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: reason why. Honestly, I think that they just go to
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the brand. I think that's what they do. And they
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: want a matchup among brands, and I think that matters most.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: The SEC has done a really good job at repeatedly,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: at every turn, talking about the reason why maybe only
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: we don't have eight teams that are undefeated in this
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: league is because we are so great week to week
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: that it's just a grind to get through the conference.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: And that's why we have to play Tennessee Chattanooga in
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: week 11, because I mean, when you go through the
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: grind that we do, like they've done an excellent job
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: of marketing themselves. And so what did the television networks do?
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Even the ones that are in bed or aren't in
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: bed with them, they say, well, I'm going to go
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: to the brand. I'll go to the brand team. And
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: if I can do that, we can set up a
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: matchup that people are going to watch. I think that
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: has a lot more significance than the actual partnership television-wise
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: beyond that. But you can tell. I mean, there's no doubt.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: You ask anybody in college football, even if you ask
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: SEC fans, I think most of them, if they're being honest,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: would be like, yeah, there's a bias towards us for sure.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: For sure there is. Just acknowledge it. That's all. Not
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: that big a deal. Just acknowledge it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: Move on. Is there ever going to be a possibility
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: of teams fleeing a big conference?
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Ever?
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Never. What do you– Because I look at the Oklahoma Sooners,
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: and I think to myself, God, if they were in
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: the Big 12, how much of an easier path– and
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: maybe they don't want an easy path, but they certainly.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Don't want to be 4-4. They were in the Big 12.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: No, I know what I'm saying is that would they
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: ever flee out?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Go back?
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Because the ability to make up money on the back
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: end as opposed to getting it on the front end
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: from the SEC– I guess they probably never will give
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: up that bread, but it was such a dumb move
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: to go to the SEC. So dumb.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Well, Mark, let me put it.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Nebraska going to the Big Ten was stupid.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Mark, you're just dumb. If you made varsity.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: If you like to just get your asses kicked on
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: a weekly basis, it's dumb.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Let me ask Brett, because Mark won't let me ask him.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Brett, if you made varsity and you didn't play that much,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: but you're on the varsity team, would you go back
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: to JV because you weren't happy with not playing?
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: No.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: No.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: But the reason why I don't think that one really
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: applies is that you can compete for the same championship
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: that varsity gets by playing in the Big 12. You
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: have the same opportunity. You aren't in a different league.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: You're in a different division. And how about this? It
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: would be like, would I rather play in the NFC
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: South or the NFC North? South, please.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: You have the same opportunity to get to the promised
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: land as opposed to just repeatedly getting your head kicked in.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, I look at Oklahoma, a once proud university
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: that really was great in college football. They lost to Michigan.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: They got stomped by Georgia 41-13. They lost to Kentucky
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: at home. And they just got blasted at home versus
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: South Carolina. And you're like, oh, okay, I can play
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: all those teams every week, or I can come back
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: to the Big 12 and I can beat the snot
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: out of Baylor and look a lot better and be
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: number 10 going into the postseason. Look, it's just an
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: observation for me. The money grab ain't always the best
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: way to go. Maybe for them they can justify it,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: but I think it's stupid.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I've been saying this for years. If CU got the opportunity,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: if for whatever reason the SEC goes, you know what?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I want that Boulder market.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: No, stay in the Big 12.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I would tell them don't do it.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Don't do it. There's no benefit from a strictly football standpoint.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: You get more cash. There's no doubt about that. But
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: if we're talking about football, there was no benefit towards
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: doing that. The difference that you said, though, and this
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: is what I don't get with Oklahoma. I remember this
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: because I lived it. Nebraska, when they made the move
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: from the Big 12 to the Big 10, they thought
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: they were going to dominate in the Big 10. Truly.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Why would they think that?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: They thought that their style of football was superior to
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: what the Big 10 was doing, and they were going
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: to put up 30 points a game, and if they
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: did that, they were going to win. Turns out they
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: were in for a rude awakening, right? Very rude awakening. Oklahoma...
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: There's no way they thought they'd enter the SEC and
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: start dominating. There's nothing about anything that they did in
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: recent memory or whatever would have said that. That's the
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: one that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: You know, we do have a lot of Sooner fans
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: here in Colorado and a lot of Korn fans in Missouri.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, Mizzou.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Well, I think they got a pretty damn good coach.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Drinkwood says, look, I have no interest in the Florida
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: State job whatsoever. If Drinkwich became available, I think that
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: he would go someplace.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: But hang on, hang on. He's asking why would they
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: make the move to the SEC. Is Missouri better for it? No.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I think they are. Well, in their case, how many
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Big 12 championships did they win? They had a couple
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: of good teams every once in a while, but they
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: weren't like.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Well, you could be dominant in the Big 12, or
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: you can be middle of the pack in the SEC.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: It's your choice. Choose the middle of the pack, that's fine.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: And then maybe you have a spike year from time
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: to time. But Missouri, look, they all have a ton
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: of money, including Oklahoma. They've got a ton of bread.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: But you don't have Georgia bread. You don't have Alabama money.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: You don't have Texas money. You don't have that kind
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: of– you don't have Tennessee money. So if you're Missouri
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: and you're bouncing around inside the conference at.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: 3-2, you're right there with other teams. That's great.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: But what's your long-term prognosis?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Dude, is this true?
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: No.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Has Missouri not won a conference championship since 1969? Wow.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: If that's the case, then you're like, you know what?
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: If we're not going to win championships, then let's just
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: make more money. Let's just go here and make some
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: more cash.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: You know what happened in 69? I was born in 69.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Look at me. This is how long it's been. That
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: right there, Moj, is Missouri's last national championship. Right there.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Put that on the poster right now.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Just have your face out there. We ain't won since
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: this guy was born. Jesus God almighty.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Buzz Aldrin hit a seven iron or something on the
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: moon the last time that they won a championship. Okay,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: so if you're doing that, then you know what? I'll
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: give you the money. I'll take the money then.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to be one of those
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: teams like Northwestern in the Big Ten, Vanderbilt in the SEC,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: if you're not going to be a team that's going
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: to win it, You might as well just go along
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: for the ride, the coattail ride.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but they were already there. Vandy was already there.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Purdue was already there. They didn't make the choice to
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: jump in.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, whatever.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Hey, to each their own. I bet if you asked
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Oklahoma fans and you asked Nebraska fans, if you could
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: go back to the Big 12, would you? I bet
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: more than 50% would say, yeah, I'd go back to
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: the Big 12.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: That's a great question. If you asked, see you right now.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Abandon the Big 12 to join the SEC. You think
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: CU would do it?
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't. You'd be getting your heads kicked in every
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: single week more than you are right now.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: He's talking about the competition on the field. I'm asking
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: you about everything else that comes with it. They would
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: do it before I could finish this sentence.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Moj, they have made the decision multiple times since leaving
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: the Big 12, including in hiring Dion. The money matters more. Correct?
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: The money matters more than the competition.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: That's fine, but you're going to suck. You're going to
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: get smoked every single week.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Here's what they should do. They should get Nebraska, CU, Texas, Oklahoma,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Texas A & M all in a room and be like,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: you want to get the band back together? You want
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: to do the band thing? Come together again?
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Dude, Arkansas. Look at Arkansas. They are the pigs, and
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: I don't have any great joy blasting Brandon on a
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: daily basis.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure you don't.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: A resident redneck Arkansas fan. But they are absolute junk.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: They're a joke in the SEC.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: The only time Arkansas makes the national stage is when
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: their deliverance AD goes on that CFP show and makes excuses.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: He called him a redneck 50 times yesterday, by the way.
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